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On Am Coffee with Royce D'Orazio - Nov. 30th, 2025 · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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  welcome to an AM coffee.
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  I love Substack.
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  When I started on,
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  this is George Fontes,
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  World of Blaze.
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  We're going to talk about that in a second.
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  When I started doing Substack,
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  it really was a problem solver.
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  But then I got to a point where I'm like,
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  it's got its own problems.
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  Everything does.
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  I've been back to the grind on TikTok,
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  pure escapism.
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  That's just where I make my money.
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  I didn't think I'd go back to it
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  at the clip I am.
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  I feel like I am not doing as much here as I should be beyond the podcast,
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  meaning in the writing and whatnot.
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  And then I look and I see George Foncest is over here.
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  He's got the clips going.
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  You're doing all this shit.
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  But I mean, it's exhausting, isn't it?
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  Beyond.
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  Yeah, it's hard, man.
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  And honestly, with SovStack, the reason I even came over was to do what you were doing
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  in terms of trying to actually write stuff because I really want to put written opinion
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  pieces and articles out.
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  I don't even have the time, man.
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  Just trying to do clips and recordings and podcasts,
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  that alone takes up my time.
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  So by the time I get to Substack,
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  I'm just basically putting video clips,
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  but I'm not doing a whole lot of writing,
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  which is not the reason I even came to Substack.
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  So it is hard to keep up with everything with social media.
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  It really is.
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  Boy, I'm so happy to hear that
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  because that's the internal crisis.
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  Let's just stay on this for a second.
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  Yeah.
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  Because it's so genuine.
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  I mean, like, for me, I feel that with Twitch, Substack.
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  I mean, I was doing all this writing on Substack,
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  and I use AI as an editor.
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  I don't let AI write for me.
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  I mean, I'll let it, I'll talk into it.
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  I'll use it as a workflow tool, but it's still got to be me.
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  And a lot of that comes with what do you want to say?
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  Sometimes I'm not sure I should be saying the things
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  that I'm thinking in today's world.
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  so we gotta start there
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  right
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  and my buddy
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  Scott said you see what George is saying over on his
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  page I go no I don't look
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  I'm too busy I don't look at my old fucking date
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  you think I know what what this is up to
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  I'm sure there's some crazy shit going on but look at the world
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  it's what are you gonna
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  change the name one day when we figure
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  this shit out or are you just hedging your bet that humans
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  are not gonna get it right
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  you know the thing so the intent
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  with the name was supposed to be
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  it was like a dual meaning
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  because I also look at World of Blaze as people
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  who are trendsetters or who are pushing the envelope
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  and something.
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  So those are people I think are set in the World of Blaze,
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  but at the same time, the world is a blaze.
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  So that was the original purpose,
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  but it just turned out just the world being
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  pretty much on fire.
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  That's so funny because Under the Influence,
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  which is my podcast name,
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  was sort of the same idea,
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  and then it started taking on a broader meaning.
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  Yeah, I might change it later.
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  I'm not sure yet,
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  But right now, I mean, it just seems to fit everything that's happening.
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  So, you know, I'm just rolling with it.
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  Well, look, I mean, first of all, that almost brings me to my last point here on the whiteboard.
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  So we'll probably get there first.
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  But to stick on the creator thing for a second, the burnout proposition is real.
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  And do you find that on some days your output in certain areas is up and then other days it's down?
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  And it's like there's no consistency to wait for it.
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  Honestly, honestly, every day, man, you know, like, um, the, the, the week of Thanksgiving,
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  like of the Thanksgiving holiday, I, I took one of the days to try to catch, I was like
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  at least a month and a half behind on actually doing edits and getting clips and whatnot out.
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  And I took the whole day and I was literally in my office for, I swear to you when my wife
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  came in and she's like, you've been in here for 18 hours.
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  And I'm like, yeah, I'm almost done.
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  and it was just literally editing
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  the last couple of episodes and clips
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  and just trying to make sure they're out
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  to all the social media platforms
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  and I still feel like I'm behind.
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  It's like I can never keep up with it
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  and it's like demanding
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  because as soon as you don't do anything,
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  you fall behind.
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  It's like you miss one day
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  and people forget about you.
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  It's a crazy thing.
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  But it's also that the clips are also,
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  they're not necessarily evergreen.
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  So some of that's late by the time you get it out.
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  And so for me, I have stuff that like, let's just say a live highlights from TikTok or podcast highlights.
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  And by the time I get to it, it's not relevant anymore.
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  Or to me, it's not relevant.
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  Maybe it would be to the audience, but I've talked myself out of it.
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  No, you're right.
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  I have a few clips that actually would be considered evergreen.
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  But most of it is like you said, I'm trying to keep up with current events, what's happening.
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  And by the time I do get it, you're right.
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  If I don't get it out at a certain time, it's like, oh, well, you kind of already missed your window.
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  but you know
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  it's
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  I think it's still important
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  to get out
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  get those things out
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  so people can see
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  different perspectives
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  and a lot of what I
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  do on my side
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  is conversations with people
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  you know
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  I do a few solo episodes
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  which can be unhinged
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  sometimes
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  because it's like
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  venting
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  but I like having
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  conversations
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  and I think that's
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  important to get those out
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  same
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  so to go to the last
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  thing on my list first
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  the whole
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  joke about
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  changing your name
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  because
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  look
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  We have to get past the word Trump.
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  And I question what people are going to do
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  when this man's no longer the center of attention.
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  I've thought the same thing, honestly, before.
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  You know, it's like once he's gone,
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  where are they going to turn their attention?
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  Like where's their content going to come from?
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  Especially when you're talking, you know,
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  US politics, obviously.
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  It's like without him,
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  there's almost like they have nothing to say.
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  You know, and there's so much going on
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  that gets like brushed under the rug
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  because no one's focused on it
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  because it's just all about how outlandish Trump is being
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  or what he may or may not have said.
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  And that's all they focus on.
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  And there's so much more going on.
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  There really is.
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  On all sides.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm just saying in general.
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  It's like there's just so much going on
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  that's not even being talked about.
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  Well, and again, this is the problem I have.
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  Working class people always take the brunt.
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  Time and time again,
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  working class people take the brunt.
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  And the media loves it, right?
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  they oh yeah they eat it up but everybody seems tired of it at the same time i think i think now
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  i think you're right i think now i i think it's finally got to the point where people are just
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  done with the bullshit i'm on x a lot just by the nature of what i do politics like you just can't
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  get away from that that platform for it and i've noticed that people's responses to a lot of posts
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  have like they're really calling people out they're like sure uh where's your source someone
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  will say something right away people jumping on them where's the source where'd you get the
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  information from like you're lying because xyz like i think people are getting to the point where
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  you're correct i think people are just kind of they're actually literally fed up this time
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  you know and even what's going on with um what's going on with this venezuelan situation everyone's
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  calling it out it's like whoa we didn't okay this like why are we why are we over there what's going
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  on a lot of people don't know why we're there even i'm still foggy on it and i talked to a lot of
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  different people myself.
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  And it's like,
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  I just had this conversation
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  with my friend Kerbin.
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  We just put something out,
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  another episode he was on.
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  He's an Intel analyst.
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  And he could tell me
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  some things he can't,
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  but at the same time,
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  we discussed this.
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  And he was like,
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  I can tell you my personal opinion
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  and I can tell you
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  what's happening out there
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  in the world
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  in terms of what
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  they're going to tell you.
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  And it's like,
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  even after talking to him,
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  we're still kind of like,
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  I don't know what else is going on.
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  I don't understand the play here.
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  I was thinking about that this morning. I don't know if Trump understands the play. I think this is the real deep state. It's the military industrial complex. It's the business of war. And ultimately, the executive branch is a figurehead. It's not the admin.
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  So he comes in, and it doesn't matter what he campaigned on.
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  It doesn't matter what any president campaigned on.
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  There's an agenda at a much higher level to spread our influence around the world.
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  And you see it everywhere.
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  We're not meant to understand it.
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  We're just meant to be confused and divided.
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  Yeah, a lot of times.
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  But I have, since we're talking about this now, I'm going to record another episode on this.
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  And I'll kind of like, I'll tell you guys some of the stuff that I found and what I think basically on this situation.
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  A lot of people saying it's not about drugs.
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  I'm going to say yes or no on that.
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  I think that's part of it.
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  You know, people are saying, well, Venezuela doesn't actually produce drugs.
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  So why are we even over there?
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  Well, drugs, in terms of drugs, they're a major trafficking route.
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  and they have traffic, not them as a nation,
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  but through Venezuela and surrounding areas.
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  Their government's complicit in it.
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  And there's literally 250 metric tons of cocaine alone
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  that gets trafficked through Venezuela
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  and through that route because it's a major route.
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  Not a lot of that goes to the US.
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  A lot of it also goes from there out to Asia and Europe.
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  So there's been a longstanding ongoing investigations
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  and operations by the DEA and FBI with these things.
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  and it does involve drugs.
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  In fact, the last time the government,
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  our government tried to work with them
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  was during the Obama era.
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  2015 was the last time when they were like,
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  hey, we want to work with you
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  to try to get ahead of this and work together.
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  People are saying,
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  why are we not going to Mexico and threaten them?
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  Well, Mexico is an ally
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  and we already work together with them
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  and jointly, both with military, DEA, et cetera.
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  So it's like, we're already working with them.
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  Mexico knows they have a problem.
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  We know there's a problem
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  and it's on both sides of the border
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  because supply and demand.
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  But these are not black and white issues.
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  No, exactly.
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  But I'm saying we're already working with Mexicos.
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  We have a relationship,
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  is what I'm saying.
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  With Venezuela, we've never had one.
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  Venezuela has always been like,
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  screw you, we're going to do whatever
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  because they are bought by the cartels.
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  Literally, cartels run it.
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  They have three major narco terrorists,
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  what they're designated as now,
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  but narcos that actually live in Venezuela.
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  They control it.
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  And so in 2015, they denied Barack Obama. Like, no, we're not working with you. We have no reason to whatever. And so this didn't start with Trump. Now, the curious thing, as I think what you're looking to is, a lot of people are asking, why now? I have the same question. I don't know why all of a sudden now, except for this.
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  so with everything going on around the world a lot of people don't realize
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  that if everybody remembers a little while back uh the the government was making um pretty much
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  kicking the horse a bit and poking the bear when it came to the Panama Canal right why while China
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  is out there they have two major companies controlling both ports right and so who's an
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  ally of Venezuela, China.
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  So this whole thing
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  in terms of this military operation,
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  it's important to determine an operation
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  from an actual mission or military action.
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  Operation doesn't mean we're actually
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  doing anything militarily in terms of action.
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  They're getting things
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  together. At this point,
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  they're applying for funding to get things in place.
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  And then so they're getting this
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  whole... It's like putting a department, like a separate
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  department and a company together. It's like, hey, we might
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  do a marketing team. So we need to say
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  we're going to do this and get funding.
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  You're saying that this is the U.S. and Mexico.
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  No, no, I'm talking about Venezuela, no.
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  No, no, but it's the U.S. and Mexico working together.
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  Earlier I said that.
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  What I said earlier was that people have said,
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  why are we over there antagonizing Venezuela
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  when all the drugs mostly come out through Mexico?
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  And I said that the reason is
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  because we already work with Mexico.
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  Like our government's already worked together.
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  We've been working together for years.
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  So I just wonder,
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  I wonder how much of this is a product
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  of all of that relationship
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  because what's the interest,
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  what's Mexico's interest
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  in what we're going to be doing
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  potentially in Venezuela?
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  I don't know.
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  Outside of cartels,
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  the government can care less, I'm sure.
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  It's all about the cartels.
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  So as far as the drug component,
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  it's all about the trafficking of drugs
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  through Venezuela
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  because it is a major trafficking route.
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  It's a huge amount.
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  Absolutely.
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  But the bigger picture here is not just that.
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  It's also a presence to make sure that we have control of the area
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  as China becomes more emboldened.
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  Remember, China controls that Panama Canal.
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  They have the Belt and Road Initiative,
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  and they need that canal, full control of that area,
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  to be able to use those routes for their trade and their commerce.
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  And so what China does is like,
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  oh, we have companies there, Chinese companies there.
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  Well, the government controls and runs those.
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  And so what going to be interesting in this whole thing and I going to say this outright everybody I don really agree with how we handling this I never have Like the whole thing with blowing up boats We very well trained There no reason we can stop those boats capture those people and question them and find out what happening and do
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  some investigations. I mean, that part is very true. But as far as the China component here is,
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  with Venezuela being literally a corrupt government, a communist government,
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  it looks like we're doing good by helping the people problem is regime change has never been
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  good ever and every time we've gotten involved it never never really always turned out to be a
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  better situation for the people there so there's that problem the other thing is if if we're if
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  we're poking the bear here with venezuela it's not about venezuela really what's china's reaction
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  gonna be china backs venezuela they actually have investments in venezuela they also are an ally of
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  They also pledge military protection of Venezuela.
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  And China also wants to control that area.
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  So there's the other component that I'm looking at more than anything else.
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  It's more like, are we setting this up to basically posture and show China, no, we control the area.
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  So this is our backyard.
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  Is China going to actually react?
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  And historically, from what I've seen from China with their allies, not really.
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  I mean, they have billions and billions of dollars of investments in African nations.
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  they say that they support many African nations
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  for example and other nations around the world
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  but when there's ever a conflict
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  we've never seen China come in to help these people either
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  they're just kind of hands off
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  so this is going to be interesting to see in my eyes
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  how's China going to react to this
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  how far will Trump go and is he going to react to this
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  and then to answer people's questions about
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  Trump being unconstitutional in this
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  no not really that's not true
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  the president can initiate strikes
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  if there's an imminent threat
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  or they see that there is an imminent threat.
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  They can deploy missions.
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  The problem that we have here
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  is what people need to understand
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  is if it comes to an actual mission,
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  in any scenario,
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  they need to notify Congress
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  for 48 hours.
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  And when it comes to a mission,
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  you got 60 days roughly.
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  That's it.
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  But none of this matters in this world.
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  None of this matters.
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  Those rules no longer apply.
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  Because Trump does whatever Trump wants.
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  And the people signed up for that.
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  Yeah, well, that's one argument.
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  But in understanding this,
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  I'm just explaining what's going on and how.
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  I get it.
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  I get it.
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  But what I'm saying is that
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  this is the thing.
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  Why are we still trying to talk about
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  what things should be?
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  And I'm not saying you.
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  I'm saying why are people still reacting
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  at the same level to what Trump does
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  and the disruption of Trump
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  just from the broader, just to pull back?
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  Yeah.
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  Because this is what he, A, this is what he's always done.
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  B, this is what people asked him to do.
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  And at a certain point, where is it no longer genuine?
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  You know that this guy is just going to do whatever the hell he wants.
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  He's never, there's never going to be an opportunity for Donald Trump to,
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  how can I phrase this?
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  There's never going to be an opportunity for Donald Trump, despite what he's doing now, that may go against what he campaigned on.
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  There's never going to be an opportunity at the ballot box for him to ever see that be reconciled with his voter base.
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  He's never going to have to see that again.
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  He's never running again.
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  So he's never going to have to deal with the fallout.
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  There's no political capital loss is what I'm trying to say.
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  So it doesn't matter when he shatters norms.
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  And that's the thing that I get pissed off about when I turn on the TV these days.
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  It's like we're still yelling at this level.
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  I get it.
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  Three, four, five months after the election.
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  I get it.
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  Donald Trump, as he said the first time around, could go out into the middle of the street in Manhattan and shoot somebody and get away with it.
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  So if he's going to blow up boats, he's going to blow up boats.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm just explaining the technicalities of the situation here.
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  I know.
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  I'm just ranting.
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  Because it's fun to rant.
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  Yeah, it is.
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  and the reason I'm explaining these technicalities
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  is because I see all these people posting on social media
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  just knee-jerk reactions.
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  And I'm not explaining this in defense
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  because I've made it clear,
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  I don't really agree with this play.
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  I don't.
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  It doesn't sound like you're...
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  Do people accuse you of that?
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  Defending Trump?
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  Because see, I'm not tuned into that.
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  I think Scott was trying to tell me that.
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  That's crazy to me.
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  You sound to me when I talk to you
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  like very pragmatic about your approach.
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  Maybe I'm wrong.
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  No, I mean, there's some things
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  there's some things I agree with from,
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  from,
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  you know,
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  where there are things that he may do that,
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  that look out for America,
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  at least on the surface.
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  Like I'm saying some things are good.
• 17:51
  I'm not saying all things are good,
• 17:52
  right?
• 17:53
  I,
• 17:53
  we,
• 17:54
  we can criticize the president,
• 17:55
  whether I voted for him or not,
• 17:56
  doesn't matter.
• 17:57
  You always have.
• 17:57
  I,
• 17:57
  I can criticize him,
• 17:59
  you know,
• 17:59
  because the reality is,
• 18:00
  um,
• 18:01
  what,
• 18:01
  what you said earlier was true.
• 18:03
  A lot of people voted for him.
• 18:04
  I voted for him.
• 18:04
  I said that last time I was going to show.
• 18:05
  That's fine.
• 18:06
  But the reason a lot of us voted for him is because,
• 18:09
  like you said,
• 18:10
  said one thing, ran on one platform,
• 18:12
  said he was going to do X, Y, Z,
• 18:14
  and ends up not really coming through.
• 18:16
  And this being his last term,
• 18:18
  I completely understand what you're saying.
• 18:19
  And I said the same exact thing.
• 18:20
  He doesn't care.
• 18:22
  One, this is it.
• 18:24
  And so this is going to lead
• 18:25
  probably to where
• 18:26
  the other part of this conversation will go
• 18:29
  is like, what's next after Trump, right?
• 18:31
  Is he making the right place
• 18:33
  to set up the future
• 18:34
  for the Republican Party moving forward
• 18:36
  in terms of the presidency?
• 18:37
  Is he giving J.D. Vance a chance?
• 18:40
  I don't know.
• 18:41
  I don't think he really is.
• 18:42
  Do you think he cares?
• 18:44
  I mean, I think in Trump's mind,
• 18:45
  Trump would rather see the Trump dynasty continue,
• 18:48
  which is not what's going to be best for the country.
• 18:50
  But I also don't think there's any replacement for Trump.
• 18:53
  No, no.
• 18:54
  That's the thing.
• 18:55
  I don't think...
• 18:56
  There's always going to be a legacy.
• 18:58
  Look, it's like when we're talking about the military actions.
• 19:00
  A lot of people forget about this.
• 19:03
  Obama took advantage of everything I was explaining,
• 19:05
  and he bombed and droned,
• 19:07
  I don't know how many people in the Middle East.
• 19:09
  He even freaking droned a wedding, a fucking wedding.
• 19:11
  A lot of people, a lot of people forget about that.
• 19:13
  And, you know, when we come, when we want to talk about, and this isn't defending Trump,
• 19:16
  I'm just saying, let's, let's compare and contrast.
• 19:19
  We talk about Trump.
• 19:20
  Everyone's like, oh, the deportations, this and this.
• 19:22
  Great.
• 19:22
  Everybody calls Obama the deporter in chief because he deported 3.9 million within a certain
• 19:27
  amount of time.
• 19:27
  So it was like, you know, mass deportation, but you know who did more?
• 19:30
  It was Bill Clinton.
• 19:31
  He deported over 12 million people.
• 19:34
  A lot of people never talk about that.
• 19:35
  So it's like we can't exactly,
• 19:38
  we got to do actual compare and contrast.
• 19:42
  Trump is crass.
• 19:43
  Trump is an asshole at times for sure.
• 19:45
  And I don't think he's very presidential
• 19:47
  in representing.
• 19:48
  Look, this is such an old conversation though, George.
• 19:52
  This is the point about post-Trump.
• 19:54
  Like this is a conversation from 2016.
• 19:56
  I remember having these conversations
• 19:58
  back when I was producing with other people,
• 20:00
  back before Midas Touch was doing their grift,
• 20:03
  back before the project was on the scene.
• 20:06
  And I used to like all these guys
• 20:08
  until you start talking to them.
• 20:10
  And then you realize that there's a cottage industry
• 20:13
  of just making Trump the boogeyman.
• 20:15
  I don't really give two shits about Donald Trump.
• 20:18
  I care about the working class people
• 20:21
  that keep this country moving
• 20:23
  that are continually getting pushed down.
• 20:25
  And they're getting pushed down by,
• 20:27
  I love AI,
• 20:29
  but they're getting pushed down by things like AI
• 20:31
  because there's no framework.
• 20:32
  right there's no guardrails in place
• 20:34
  okay so everything's going so fast
• 20:37
  so you pair all of these
• 20:38
  things together and like we're doing
• 20:41
  this downward spiral
• 20:42
  where the mass
• 20:43
  the mass
• 20:44
  the mass population in the next couple
• 20:49
  years is basically going to
• 20:51
  be stuck at home doing nothing
• 20:52
  it's not
• 20:55
  fear it's just true and
• 20:56
  all they're going to be left to do is to argue about
• 20:59
  crap and my question is how are we
• 21:00
  going to get out of it can we
• 21:02
  and in a post-Trump world,
• 21:04
  are people going to be actually,
• 21:07
  which is a wild concept,
• 21:08
  but are people actually going to be
• 21:10
  like drug addicts
• 21:12
  on both sides
• 21:13
  that are now scratching an itch
• 21:15
  because they can't get it fixed?
• 21:18
  Yeah, no.
• 21:18
  So here's what I'm going to say.
• 21:21
  Happy to move on to this conversation
• 21:23
  because it's a serious one.
• 21:26
  And I understand what you're saying
• 21:27
  about these old talking points,
• 21:29
  but I mean, are they old or still relevant?
• 21:32
  We're still going through it.
• 21:33
  What my point being is a lot of people ignore the past
• 21:38
  and ignore the real facts of what's happening.
• 21:41
  What I'm trying to get at is this.
• 21:43
  You can't say this guy's a monster when they were all monsters.
• 21:46
  Correct.
• 21:46
  Really.
• 21:47
  We haven't really had...
• 21:48
  We have a very short-term memory in this country.
• 21:51
  Yeah.
• 21:51
  And that's where I was going with it.
• 21:53
  Yeah, I get it.
• 21:54
  Oh, I'm just having...
• 21:55
  I'm just going back and forth with you.
• 21:58
  Yeah, it is old conversation, but it's like...
• 22:01
  But people are stuck in it, George.
• 22:02
  That's what I'm saying.
• 22:04
  We're in a loop.
• 22:05
  Right, we're in a loop.
• 22:06
  So that's why, look,
• 22:08
  I like having these conversations,
• 22:10
  but I need to push on them
• 22:11
  because what's next?
• 22:13
  A guy like you has the ability
• 22:16
  to speak their mind,
• 22:18
  to create output,
• 22:20
  to bring people to the table.
• 22:22
  So it's like,
• 22:22
  at what point do you stop talking
• 22:24
  and you just go,
• 22:24
  all right, I'm going to run for office?
• 22:26
  You know what I mean?
• 22:26
  At what point do all these content creators
• 22:29
  shut their mouths
• 22:30
  and run for office.
• 22:32
  Well, that's a good point.
• 22:33
  And I think of,
• 22:35
  okay, so if we're talking about moving forward,
• 22:36
  like you're talking about post-Trump,
• 22:38
  I don't know what's going to happen with post-Trump.
• 22:41
  It's either going to get crazier
• 22:43
  in terms of what we're seeing on social media
• 22:46
  and how people act,
• 22:47
  or it's going to retract and become what it was
• 22:49
  and become a much more conservative political system.
• 22:52
  Not talking about party,
• 22:53
  I'm just talking about in general,
• 22:54
  like how we present ourselves,
• 22:56
  watching what we say,
• 22:58
  not being so outlandish, right?
• 22:59
  it may go back to that.
• 23:02
  Yeah, I think so because
• 23:03
  I think, well,
• 23:06
  I hear you,
• 23:08
  I hear you, but at the same time, I think like you said,
• 23:10
  people want
• 23:11
  polish. They want someone
• 23:14
  who is presidential. They want a
• 23:16
  politician to act like an actual politician
• 23:18
  in terms of how they're
• 23:20
  representing the people. But
• 23:22
  they also want transparency. They want them to do their damn
• 23:24
  jobs.
• 23:25
  So,
• 23:25
  So I hope people in the future, I hope this is what happens.
• 23:31
  I hope both things happen.
• 23:33
  I hope that we polish ourselves up, be representative,
• 23:38
  and stop being a bunch of 12-year-olds out there screaming in the playground or whatever.
• 23:42
  And that we also put the pressure as people.
• 23:46
  That's what needs to change.
• 23:47
  We're not putting pressure on our politicians.
• 23:49
  We're not holding them accountable.
• 23:51
  That's the problem we're having.
• 23:52
  Like, you know, everyone's just going on with their life.
• 23:54
  And, you know, you and I have said this before.
• 23:56
  They read a headline and like, oh my God, what's going on?
• 23:58
  And they believe that to be true.
• 23:59
  But it's not always true, as you know.
• 24:01
  The media manipulates things.
• 24:02
  So what I hope post-Trump is this.
• 24:04
  We get back to acting like adults, really, to be honest.
• 24:10
  And that we as people start to realize we need to put the pressure on a politician
• 24:13
  and make them do it.
• 24:14
  We freaking voted them in their offices to do that.
• 24:17
  How do we do that, though?
• 24:18
  First of all, I don't think that it's going to be a switch.
• 24:20
  I think it's going to be a slow fade, if anything, if we're lucky.
• 24:24
  No, I agree with that one.
• 24:26
  How do we hold our politicians accountable?
• 24:31
  That's a much more interesting conversation to me than anything else, man.
• 24:35
  Because it's Congress, and that's what I always go back to.
• 24:38
  So how are we going to go?
• 24:39
  Now, do we hold them accountable by voting them all out?
• 24:45
  In other words, the only way to vote them all out is to stop voting, right?
• 24:48
  So you just vote them all out by omission.
• 24:50
  Because you can't, and that takes organization.
• 24:54
  Or, again, do you just get enough working class people to flood the system running that somebody else, you're just going to knock these people out playing the old game.
• 25:02
  I think the old game's too slow.
• 25:04
  I think we need something more disruptive.
• 25:07
  Look, I'm not a fan of what happened on January 6th, storming the Capitol.
• 25:13
  But I was always a fan of storming the Bastille as a kid.
• 25:16
  So I had to square that somehow with myself.
• 25:20
  I guess it comes down to cause,
• 25:23
  but I certainly feel like
• 25:24
  Congress needs an enema.
• 25:28
  It does.
• 25:30
  So,
• 25:31
  how we fix this,
• 25:32
  like you say, voting.
• 25:34
  That is true,
• 25:35
  but I think what it means
• 25:37
  is not that,
• 25:39
  it means the opposite of what you said.
• 25:42
  You said not voting.
• 25:42
  The problem is
• 25:43
  people aren't showing up to vote right now.
• 25:46
  That's what's going on.
• 25:47
  It's an easier ask.
• 25:48
  So just tell everyone to stay home
• 25:49
  and then nobody gets elected.
• 25:51
  Yeah, people just aren't showing up to vote.
• 25:53
  And that happened on the last,
• 25:55
  regardless of how people feel about it because I live in California but the last Prop 50 thing that just happened the California Republicans did not show up They did not show up
• 26:05
  There was a million,
• 26:05
  there was a,
• 26:06
  I think it was a couple of million,
• 26:07
  my recall guys don't hold me.
• 26:10
  But anyway,
• 26:10
  there was a lot of Republicans registering California
• 26:13
  and less than 10% shoved vote.
• 26:16
  And it was something that people were like,
• 26:18
  oh, we got to push back on this redistricting.
• 26:20
  Well, where'd you got,
• 26:20
  you guys didn't even show up.
• 26:21
  That's the problem.
• 26:22
  And it doesn't matter if it's Republican or Democrat.
• 26:24
  I'm just saying,
• 26:24
  a lot of times when it matters,
• 26:26
  right?
• 26:26
  Because they say,
• 26:27
  oh,
• 26:27
  this is so important.
• 26:28
  The most important thing ever.
• 26:29
  We got to get out there and vote.
• 26:30
  They don't even fucking show up.
• 26:31
  No,
• 26:32
  but that's the media,
• 26:35
  right?
• 26:35
  So the reason that everybody shows up for a general election is because it's a
• 26:38
  show.
• 26:39
  It's like showing up for the Superbowl.
• 26:40
  Exactly.
• 26:42
  So it's going to be,
• 26:42
  it's going to be Congress correct,
• 26:44
  but it's going to be actually caring about your backyard.
• 26:47
  It starts local.
• 26:48
  I always believe it starts where it starts where you live.
• 26:51
  You got to get out and care.
• 26:53
  You got to show up.
• 26:54
  You got to actually vote on issues that really do affect you instead of crying about it later because you didn't bother to show up.
• 27:01
  Or just get involved.
• 27:03
  Yeah.
• 27:03
  And well, that's part of what we were saying earlier, holding these people accountable because you can't hold them accountable if you yourself aren't getting involved.
• 27:11
  Really.
• 27:11
  Yeah.
• 27:11
  But look, I think the problem there is that a lot of people are working overtime just to get by.
• 27:19
  So they don't have time for it, let alone the end times.
• 27:23
  Agreed.
• 27:23
  But when it comes to voting, okay, I'll just say this, like in California, they make it easy.
• 27:30
  They got a ballot box on every corner, it seemed like.
• 27:33
  Really, it's not hard.
• 27:34
  It's not hard to carry a ballot, drop it.
• 27:36
  They're in every library.
• 27:38
  There's designated places all over every city where you can drop your ballot.
• 27:42
  So yeah, we're all busy, but that can be like 15 minutes, break time, lunch time, whatever.
• 27:49
  I get what you're saying.
• 27:51
  I just meant too busy to actually get involved.
• 27:54
  And what I fear...
• 27:55
  Oh, that.
• 27:55
  Yeah, yeah.
• 27:56
  That part's correct.
• 27:58
  Yeah, we are...
• 27:59
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  Unfortunately, in a society, we're just buried with keeping ourselves busy that we don't
• 28:03
  make time for the other things that are truly important, I think.
• 28:06
  So I had a guest on the show a few weeks back.
• 28:11
  And you know what?
• 28:13
  I don't know if Keen is listening, but I totally forgot to respond to them.
• 28:16
  So I'm glad we're having this conversation.
• 28:17
  Now this is how this goes, right?
• 28:20
  Yeah.
• 28:20
  But they are a voting tech company.
• 28:24
  So they have a sort of a multi-pronged approach.
• 28:29
  They're trying to solve an immediate issue with security and voting booths.
• 28:34
  And they're also providing a solution to get us to the point where people could vote on their phone securely for a general election.
• 28:43
  Obviously, that's a long road.
• 28:46
  Yeah.
• 28:46
  That's a long road.
• 28:48
  I agree.
• 28:48
  Rob said people don't want to be involved unless they're being funded.
• 28:50
  Absolutely.
• 28:53
  But that's like any endeavor.
• 28:54
  People don't want to put in the hard work, right?
• 28:56
  Most people think that if you have to start a business,
• 28:58
  if you're going to start a business as an entrepreneur,
• 29:00
  that you go raise money first and then you go.
• 29:03
  No.
• 29:04
  You don't raise money until you need money.
• 29:05
  And that's a whole other conversation.
• 29:09
  So, look, I'm of the mindset that when I look into this landscape
• 29:15
  and I see all these people that are over in their own little universes.
• 29:19
  I mentioned Lincoln, Midas, and all these people.
• 29:21
  If they all actually really cared, they could get organized.
• 29:25
  We're losing his connection.
• 29:27
  They could get organized together, create a platform that any candidate
• 29:31
  could latch onto irrespective of a party,
• 29:33
  and we could start putting working class issues at the top of the conversation.
• 29:37
  Just by sort of like whatever the stupid project, what was it?
• 29:42
  Project 2025, whatever it was.
• 29:46
  But something that's more universal,
• 29:49
  something for working class people,
• 29:51
  I call it America 2.0,
• 29:53
  something that allows any candidate to latch onto it.
• 29:57
  It's a set of principles, things that people want.
• 29:59
  And I've written about this,
• 30:00
  but I think we got to do it in a way
• 30:02
  that breaks the party system.
• 30:03
  It doesn't have to do with money.
• 30:05
  It allows anybody to organize off of it.
• 30:08
  And we've talked about, I've talked about this with you,
• 30:09
  I've talked about this with Joe Walsh.
• 30:10
  The best way, I think, to take money out of politics is to stop raising money.
• 30:15
  There's enough social media out there to give people the voice and the reach they need if people really want it.
• 30:20
  Now, people don't want it.
• 30:24
  Oh, sorry.
• 30:25
  I thought I dropped out.
• 30:25
  No, no, no.
• 30:26
  No, that's perfect.
• 30:27
  Go.
• 30:28
  I thought I dropped out.
• 30:29
  I know.
• 30:31
  I don't know what's going on either.
• 30:33
  What I was going to say is I think this goes back to a bit of what we talked about before.
• 30:39
  and I think
• 30:41
  if you want to really start
• 30:43
  let's pull away
• 30:46
  the
• 30:47
  temptations that
• 30:50
  will have these politicians
• 30:52
  basically
• 30:54
  be bought
• 30:55
  I say let's stop lobbyists
• 30:58
  I mean all of them, I don't care
• 31:00
  no more lobbying
• 31:01
  at least not the way it's done now
• 31:03
  I think when it comes to lobbying
• 31:05
  I think it should be done in front of
• 31:07
  everybody in Congress, whoever you want to address, you know, you just maybe once a month,
• 31:13
  twice a month. I don't know. You know, they'll figure it out. But you get yourself on the list
• 31:17
  to tell everybody what you want and why you need their support. And everybody hears at the same
• 31:22
  time. And it's out there. It's public. It's recorded. No backdoor deals, no private meetings,
• 31:26
  none of that bullshit anymore. It's like, here's your chance. Get in front of everybody publicly,
• 31:31
  broadcast it, by the way,
• 31:34
  and let them tell everyone in Congress
• 31:36
  exactly why they need their backing,
• 31:39
  why they should go ahead and pass
• 31:40
  whichever bill that benefits whoever it is.
• 31:43
  I think that we should start doing that.
• 31:46
  There shouldn't be any more super PACs.
• 31:50
  I say just get rid of all of it, man.
• 31:52
  They should be working based on their incentive
• 31:54
  to actually serve the people,
• 31:55
  and we got to get rid of that.
• 31:56
  And definitely ban anybody in Congress
• 31:59
  from fucking investing in the stock market.
• 32:01
  market period. So the irony of everything
• 32:03
  you're saying is that
• 32:05
  that requires a tyrant
• 32:07
  a la Donald
• 32:09
  Trump to make all that happen.
• 32:12
  And even though
• 32:13
  a lot of people don't like what Trump is up to,
• 32:16
  and a lot of people don't care
• 32:18
  because it's not about them.
• 32:20
  But
• 32:20
  it's just funny to me because
• 32:23
  the only way to really accomplish all
• 32:25
  of that is to have somebody come in, drop
• 32:27
  a bunch of executive orders, rule with an
• 32:29
  iron fist and disrupt the system.
• 32:32
  I thought Trump would be that
• 32:33
  guy. Trump has made
• 32:36
  a very...
• 32:37
  It's kind of interesting. You look at that whole thing with Mondani
• 32:40
  where he was like, just say it.
• 32:41
  Just call me a
• 32:44
  fascist. I don't care.
• 32:45
  It's just easier that way.
• 32:47
  He's even tired.
• 32:49
  It's just the show.
• 32:54
  It just bums me out,
• 32:56
  man. It bums me out that
• 32:57
  as smart as some of these people
• 32:59
  are, their intent
• 33:01
  is so fucked.
• 33:03
  It's like
• 33:04
  we kind of need a tyrant
• 33:07
  but maybe we need an actual
• 33:09
  real third party
• 33:11
  organization that would implement this
• 33:13
  and take control.
• 33:16
  They come in and say
• 33:17
  let's say the people
• 33:19
  agree and we vote in and we say
• 33:21
  we need a third party organization
• 33:23
  to come in for a year
• 33:25
  and just restructure this whole mess
• 33:27
  and how things are operated.
• 33:30
  It's like when you hire a consulting company
• 33:32
  from outside for your business, right?
• 33:33
  Like you're in trouble, you know what it is,
• 33:34
  but you need someone to come in, look at the books,
• 33:36
  check everything out and get you back on track.
• 33:39
  Maybe it needs to be approached that way
• 33:41
  instead of relying on who already is in the system.
• 33:44
  That's why I keep telling Joe Walsh
• 33:47
  both publicly and privately to run.
• 33:50
  Not because it's about Joe Walsh, okay?
• 33:52
  Because he's got the balls to disrupt the shit
• 33:55
  out of the thing for other people.
• 33:57
  for other people and he's run before right and like the thing is is like that dude doesn't want
• 34:05
  to be the guy he doesn't that guy just wants to fucking get us back to normalcy like like i i i
• 34:12
  didn't believe that until i saw that you know what i mean uh i can't say that for a lot of those
• 34:17
  contemporaries a lot of the people that he does those lives with that's true yeah and i've said
• 34:22
  that to him privately i've said to him i was like i was like so and so i don't know how the fuck you
• 34:26
  talk to that guy all the time. You know what I mean?
• 34:29
  But you've got to play the game. I'm just
• 34:32
  saying a guy like that, the reason why I think he should run is
• 34:35
  because he could push that third party in a way other
• 34:38
  people couldn't and open the doors up for other people. And he's
• 34:41
  all about opening the doors up for women, which I totally
• 34:44
  support because this country could totally benefit from female
• 34:47
  leadership. We need less white male ego.
• 34:51
  Okay? Yeah. So, you know,
• 34:54
  let a guy like that just bust the door open
• 34:56
  and let a lot of other guys,
• 34:59
  you know, just,
• 34:59
  no pun intended,
• 35:01
  run in his wake.
• 35:04
  Well, I think in that situation,
• 35:06
  you're correct.
• 35:06
  Joe would definitely be the guy
• 35:08
  to kick the door open
• 35:09
  because he doesn't care.
• 35:11
  He seems very intent
• 35:14
  on shaking things up
• 35:16
  and getting things back on track.
• 35:17
  My only criticism of Joe
• 35:18
  has always been this.
• 35:19
  It seems like he's just running
• 35:20
  on a platform
• 35:21
  if I hate Donald Trump.
• 35:22
  That's the way it sounds to me
• 35:24
  and I've talked to him as well.
• 35:25
  but it doesn't mean that he himself doesn't care about America and care about
• 35:31
  changing things up because he's been very adamant about that as well.
• 35:34
  So I think Joe was wronged when he was in,
• 35:39
  I think he was wrong when he was on the other side.
• 35:41
  I think people didn't pay attention to him enough when they should have.
• 35:45
  And,
• 35:45
  and it turned Joe into what he is now.
• 35:48
  And he's just like,
• 35:49
  fuck it.
• 35:49
  I'm going to kick the doors down.
• 35:50
  But I think he needs to have less focus on.
• 35:53
  I hate Trump because, like you said,
• 35:56
  it's a tired talking point.
• 35:58
  I think Joe needs to focus on, like you said,
• 36:00
  what's next? What's after Trump?
• 36:02
  Let's focus on how we take this.
• 36:03
  I'm not saying this to defend him.
• 36:06
  I'm saying this to bring it back to the top
• 36:08
  of the conversation.
• 36:09
  Think about it from a content output perspective.
• 36:13
  He's holding his audience.
• 36:16
  He's getting eyeballs.
• 36:17
  But he's run before.
• 36:19
  So my whole thing is,
• 36:20
  unlike some other people who I would
• 36:22
  really like to name check,
• 36:23
  but I will not.
• 36:27
  He's done it before.
• 36:28
  So what I'm saying is,
• 36:29
  if you take this thing that you've held
• 36:31
  with this thing,
• 36:34
  okay, this brand,
• 36:35
  we would call it as content creators,
• 36:37
  right?
• 36:38
  But if you take it and convert it into this mission,
• 36:40
  then it makes it worth it.
• 36:43
  But if all we're going to keep doing is yelling
• 36:45
  without also thinking about how to move forward,
• 36:47
  then all we're doing is yelling.
• 36:49
  And I've said that to him.
• 36:50
  You've heard me say that to him.
• 36:51
  But he's receptive to that.
• 36:53
  And I just don't think there's enough people with that kind of set of balls.
• 36:58
  That's the same point I was trying to make, to be honest.
• 37:01
  I just think, you know, I understand why he's doing what he does.
• 37:06
  I do.
• 37:07
  It gets people's attention.
• 37:10
  It's relevant.
• 37:11
  I understand it.
• 37:12
  But I want to hear, because he's very good at what he does.
• 37:15
  Like, he talks, people listen.
• 37:17
  I just want to hear more post-Trump.
• 37:21
  Because like you said, Trump's done.
• 37:22
  He's done.
• 37:23
  he's not coming back.
• 37:23
  This is this last term.
• 37:25
  And it's obvious Trump doesn't give a fuck.
• 37:27
  He's,
• 37:27
  he's going to make his mark.
• 37:28
  He's going to do what he thinks is going to make him look good.
• 37:30
  Once he's out of office.
• 37:32
  But with someone like Joe,
• 37:34
  who has the ability to,
• 37:35
  to,
• 37:35
  to get in there and be the disruptor,
• 37:37
  like you said,
• 37:38
  fine.
• 37:39
  I get it.
• 37:40
  So let's keep talking about Trump gets eyeballs.
• 37:43
  Cause a lot of people are pissed off about Trump.
• 37:44
  That's just the reality,
• 37:45
  but also,
• 37:46
  also offer post Trump solutions.
• 37:49
  Absolutely.
• 37:50
  Would you run?
• 37:52
  Um,
• 37:52
  I honestly would
• 37:54
  but I don't
• 37:55
  I don't think I'll ever
• 37:56
  get the back name
• 37:57
  I'm too small man
• 37:57
  and nobody
• 37:58
  nobody really
• 37:59
  pays attention
• 38:00
  to a lot of what I do
• 38:01
  and the other thing is
• 38:02
  if you look at my
• 38:03
  my podcast
• 38:04
  I have a foul mouth
• 38:05
  I'm a bit of a sailor
• 38:06
  when I speak
• 38:06
  so you know
• 38:07
  there's a lot that they
• 38:08
  could probably hold against me
• 38:09
  in terms of what I've said
• 38:09
  but
• 38:10
  do you think any of that
• 38:11
  matters anymore
• 38:12
  in a post-Trump world
• 38:13
  I don't think it does
• 38:14
  in my mind it does
• 38:16
  honestly
• 38:16
  you know
• 38:17
  if I was really
• 38:19
  going to do this
• 38:19
  myself seriously
• 38:20
  I would
• 38:21
  I would have
• 38:22
  taken a different approach. I would have washed my mouth more. I would have said things differently.
• 38:26
  Not how I feel, but how I delivered it. Because like I said, I believe
• 38:30
  someone who is a Polish representative. When you're on the world stage and that's
• 38:34
  who you are, you are representing America to everybody.
• 38:39
  And I would rather have someone who you could look at and say,
• 38:42
  wow, okay, that's a president versus, wow, that guy's crass.
• 38:46
  He's very crass. He just tweeted, oh my God, I can't believe he said that. That's just controversial.
• 38:50
  That's just getting people to talk about you.
• 38:52
  To me that not representing the American people at all To me it kind of selfish to be honest It look at me and that not what I believe a president should be That not what I would want to be just to be honest I think I would have to
• 39:06
  erase everything I did
• 39:08
  and start over. At this
• 39:11
  point, maybe just using whatever
• 39:13
  I might have,
• 39:14
  as for as many people who do listen
• 39:16
  to me, to try to get behind someone
• 39:18
  who could make that difference. Maybe it's better to
• 39:20
  help push them along and get them where they need to
• 39:22
  go.
• 39:22
  and talk about that.
• 39:23
  What's your main platform?
• 39:24
  Is it the podcast?
• 39:25
  Is it YouTube?
• 39:27
  Well, it's really...
• 39:30
  I don't even know what a podcast is anymore.
• 39:32
  Let's just put it that way.
• 39:33
  I call everything a podcast.
• 39:35
  So I like the audio side.
• 39:38
  I've always liked audio
• 39:40
  because to me,
• 39:42
  it makes you pay attention and listen.
• 39:44
  Problem is everything's being put to video
• 39:46
  so I had to get into video.
• 39:48
  It's like I did.
• 39:48
  So then I went back to my YouTube
• 39:50
  and I revamped.
• 39:52
  I basically just redid the whole thing.
• 39:54
  So I've only been doing video for a little while.
• 39:58
  Honestly, it hasn't been a long time.
• 40:00
  And so right now, I get a lot more balls on YouTube.
• 40:05
  But the audio side still does very well.
• 40:07
  So you see it.
• 40:08
  I know that's a contract.
• 40:09
  You see it.
• 40:09
  Things go like this, right?
• 40:11
  It's like audio was...
• 40:13
  At the moment, I can't see it
• 40:15
  because you're an 8-bit video.
• 40:17
  Damn it.
• 40:17
  As long as you can hear me, hopefully.
• 40:20
  Like you said, you're still getting in the video.
• 40:21
  I mean, we see it in real time.
• 40:24
  This is on the iPhone, man.
• 40:26
  What are you talking about?
• 40:27
  Hey, which iPhone are you using?
• 40:31
  Oh, come on.
• 40:32
  I'm spending money.
• 40:33
  Everything is...
• 40:34
  I'm just busting your balls.
• 40:35
  Everything is...
• 40:36
  It's so funny you said that.
• 40:38
  Everything is a podcast
• 40:39
  because once video gets lumped in,
• 40:41
  what's the difference between an episode
• 40:43
  and a podcast and a TV show?
• 40:47
  I don't know.
• 40:48
  To me, it's all...
• 40:49
  to me, everything has really become a TV show
• 40:53
  if you really think about it.
• 40:55
  There's no difference.
• 40:57
  Everyone's wanting to do the live stream thing,
• 40:59
  which I get.
• 41:00
  The reason I don't is because I'm very sporadic.
• 41:02
  I can't keep a schedule.
• 41:03
  A lot of things is based on when I'm available, right?
• 41:06
  And then if you look at people live streaming,
• 41:08
  they don't want to admit it,
• 41:09
  but it's just a weekly broadcast.
• 41:13
  That's all it is.
• 41:14
  I say that every day.
• 41:16
  Yeah, it's a weekly broadcast.
• 41:18
  they're always like hey tune in at this
• 41:20
  at 7am on this date
• 41:22
  like it's always the same
• 41:23
  you are now basically a show
• 41:26
  you're a show
• 41:27
  it's what it is, you're a broadcast
• 41:29
  and people keep
• 41:32
  they gotta understand what they are
• 41:34
  like my live streams don't exist
• 41:36
  anywhere for replay
• 41:37
  right, yeah
• 41:40
  I get it
• 41:41
  but as far as everyone else is concerned
• 41:44
  it's like
• 41:45
  they're basically putting on a show
• 41:48
  and that's exactly what they're doing.
• 41:50
  They're doing a broadcast.
• 41:50
  They're no longer a podcast.
• 41:51
  So I think podcast is antiquated.
• 41:54
  It's like if you're going to stick to audio only,
• 41:57
  you're a podcaster.
• 41:59
  If you're going to do audio, video, et cetera,
• 42:02
  you're a content creator.
• 42:04
  And at that point,
• 42:04
  you just got to figure out what category you're in
• 42:06
  and just lean into it.
• 42:08
  If you're a political commentator,
• 42:10
  then you are a political commentator.
• 42:11
  If you're just doing, I don't know,
• 42:14
  cats dancing on the roof playing violins,
• 42:16
  then maybe you're just that guy.
• 42:17
  I don't know.
• 42:18
  You might be doing something completely different is what that's about.
• 42:22
  Exactly.
• 42:23
  So I think everybody is literally becoming a broadcast.
• 42:28
  They're a show.
• 42:30
  It's just not on normal TV anymore.
• 42:32
  I don't know if people think about it.
• 42:34
  So as you know, my main thing is IRL.
• 42:38
  So I go out on TikTok and I stream live and I'm running around the parks.
• 42:42
  And anybody can go do that because that's there.
• 42:47
  That's the backdrop.
• 42:49
  So I've always perceived it as a broadcast and a show.
• 42:52
  What are you going to do to differentiate?
• 42:54
  How do you choose to engage with your audience?
• 42:55
  You look at the show and you look at the pieces of the show
• 42:57
  and you tool the show and you retool the show
• 43:00
  and there's characters on the show that come and go.
• 43:03
  I don't know if everybody out there does that
• 43:07
  or if they're just like, well, I'm going live today.
• 43:11
  Right.
• 43:11
  I don't know.
• 43:12
  I don't know if everybody that does what you do
• 43:15
  can even have the introspective nature to go,
• 43:19
  is this a podcast?
• 43:20
  Is this an episode?
• 43:21
  Maybe it's...
• 43:22
  You know what I mean?
• 43:22
  I think some people are just chasing without thought.
• 43:28
  Yeah.
• 43:29
  So I will take all that to say this.
• 43:32
  I push back on the notion.
• 43:34
  I don't even know how many followers you have,
• 43:35
  wherever you have them.
• 43:36
  I have no clue.
• 43:37
  The idea that you're too small to get backing,
• 43:41
  I think is bullshit.
• 43:42
  it's the work ethic
• 43:48
  it's the entrepreneurial spirit
• 43:50
  it's the ability to produce
• 43:51
  that is what you need in today's world
• 43:53
  you don't need the capital
• 43:55
  like I said
• 43:58
  it's something to consider
• 43:59
  and at this point
• 44:01
  we got other guys out there that
• 44:04
  already have momentum
• 44:06
  like you said we're talking
• 44:08
  about Joe
• 44:08
  I'd like to see Joe succeed
• 44:10
  I'd like to see him become what he says he is
• 44:13
  and if he's given that opportunity
• 44:17
  to really turn things upside down
• 44:19
  and I've always said it, I'm more conservative than I am
• 44:22
  of the left for example
• 44:25
  but that's what's interesting about Joe to me
• 44:28
  is he is conservative in principles
• 44:31
  and I've talked to him where he's literally said
• 44:33
  sometimes he's like this with the Democrat party
• 44:35
  because they don't see eye to eye but they see the value
• 44:38
  and what he has to offer.
• 44:39
  And he's slowly getting them to understand,
• 44:41
  like, look, if we're going to move forward,
• 44:43
  this is how we're going to do it.
• 44:44
  So, I mean, I'd be really interested in hearing
• 44:46
  his behind-the-door conversations with these people.
• 44:49
  I'm sure they're very interesting.
• 44:52
  But I think that, yeah,
• 44:54
  I think there's people who are in a position now
• 44:56
  that have the momentum
• 44:57
  that can actually probably do better.
• 45:00
  I think if it was like my case
• 45:03
  or even your case, just be honest,
• 45:05
  I think starting local, get my feet wet,
• 45:07
  understanding it better from the inside and then moving up.
• 45:10
  Jumping into something like a presidency is crazy.
• 45:14
  If you don't have the inside track.
• 45:16
  I'm not talking about presidency.
• 45:17
  I'm talking about state senate.
• 45:18
  I'm talking about congress.
• 45:19
  No, no, understood.
• 45:20
  I'm just using that as an example.
• 45:22
  Like jumping from here to there.
• 45:25
  I think anybody with genuine intent on public service
• 45:29
  would not be looking at the office of the presidency first.
• 45:31
  No, no, you're looking at congress as an option.
• 45:34
  Right.
• 45:34
  Well, no, because if you hit congress,
• 45:36
  then you go, well, what's the roadmap?
• 45:38
  Exactly.
• 45:39
  The reason I just bring it back to all that
• 45:41
  is because I think that the more people you have
• 45:45
  that are taking swings,
• 45:47
  the better all of our odds increase.
• 45:51
  Yeah, like I said,
• 45:52
  I've considered local politics
• 45:54
  and I've actually considered Congress.
• 45:57
  In California especially,
• 45:58
  I think there's definitely a lot of opportunity.
• 46:02
  I don't know.
• 46:02
  I don't know if I'm ready.
• 46:03
  I'd have to really change a lot of things,
• 46:05
  Royce, to be quite honest.
• 46:06
  But your whole point earlier about getting involved, that's exactly what we need.
• 46:11
  Someone like me, get involved.
• 46:13
  What's the next step outside of just talking crap on a mic?
• 46:15
  Get involved.
• 46:16
  That's the next step.
• 46:18
  So yeah, something I've considered.
• 46:20
  I think it's something that most everyone who does what I do should consider.
• 46:25
  But then you got to look at it from this point of view too, Royce.
• 46:30
  Sometimes being the person that can call shit out as it is and bringing attention to the matter is what's needed as well.
• 46:36
  So you need both sides.
• 46:38
  You really do.
• 46:39
  You absolutely do because you need accountability.
• 46:42
  Yeah.
• 46:42
  You do, but not every content creator is a journalist.
• 46:47
  No, I'm not.
• 46:48
  I mean, I do research, but I'm not going to call myself a journalist.
• 46:52
  No, no, I don't.
• 46:53
  Look, most of these guys aren't journalists.
• 46:55
  Most of these guys are just, you know, they're content creators, literally.
• 46:59
  That's it.
• 47:00
  That's the best part.
• 47:01
  Yeah, but at what point are they a content creator versus a machine?
• 47:05
  you know, like that's just spitting out content
• 47:08
  because a lot of these bigger guys,
• 47:10
  they claim they're always independent,
• 47:11
  but they have like 100 people working for them.
• 47:13
  They have teams just scouring the internet
• 47:15
  for information.
• 47:15
  Let's end on Midas Touch.
• 47:17
  You know?
• 47:18
  Let's talk about Midas Touch for a second
• 47:20
  because you don't know this,
• 47:21
  but I'm the one that put Midas Touch on
• 47:24
  and I will take the credit for how much bullshit
• 47:27
  that they put out over the years
• 47:29
  because in the early days,
• 47:30
  I was doing Stutter and John and Noel Kassler's podcast, okay?
• 47:35
  and I was producing that
• 47:36
  and I saw in episode two
• 47:39
  this video these guys put out
• 47:41
  and those guys put it on
• 47:43
  and John tweeted it out
• 47:44
  and it blew them up
• 47:45
  and they had a pack.
• 47:47
  Now that pack is no longer
• 47:49
  and they're a media company.
• 47:51
  Maybe the pack still exists.
• 47:52
  I don't know.
• 47:53
  But they went from politics
• 47:55
  to media company to your point.
• 47:56
  So now you're an independent media organization
• 47:59
  but you're a media organization.
• 48:02
  Yes.
• 48:03
  Okay.
• 48:03
  So all along, when you were out there acting like an activist and a political movement, you were really going for media company.
• 48:15
  Which means at this point, what is your intent?
• 48:17
  Your intent is solely to make money, not to make a difference.
• 48:21
  Yeah, it flips.
• 48:22
  It flips.
• 48:23
  And that's the thing I think about.
• 48:25
  Not saying this will, but let's say you or I became famous of that level in terms of our shows or what we're doing.
• 48:33
  would we have the integrity to stay the course in who we are?
• 48:37
  You know, I think about that sometimes.
• 48:39
  Because, you know, you never know how long it's going to be
• 48:41
  until someone waves the money in front of you.
• 48:44
  Let me tell you something.
• 48:46
  If I ever get in a position of Congress,
• 48:49
  I will be hated by both sides.
• 48:51
  I will be the person in Congress that's hated by everybody.
• 48:54
  Oh, that would be me.
• 48:55
  I can guarantee you that.
• 48:56
  Yeah, I'd be the same way.
• 48:58
  But, you know, I'm just saying,
• 49:00
  when it comes to like the...
• 49:03
  show podcasting, whatever we call this, as you said, I agree with you. I don't know what it is
• 49:08
  anymore. Personalities like us need to stay the course. And what I've seen, and that's why I was
• 49:15
  throwing that out there, is when people start to get that money and fame, is it them changing or is
• 49:21
  it them keeping up with the demand of what they built? Correct. Well, that goes back to the
• 49:27
  Walsh-Trump thing. And it's like, well, this is what I built. This is what people expect. How do I
• 49:31
  disrupt it. And most people, if they're
• 49:33
  fortunate enough to get that, then
• 49:35
  become fearful of disrupting
• 49:37
  it. And that goes for any content creator.
• 49:39
  I see that in my world with what I do in the
• 49:41
  parks at Disney, the theme park of it all.
• 49:44
  It takes a lot
• 49:45
  to break what you've built. It takes
• 49:47
  a lot.
• 49:48
  It does. And I always go back to
• 49:51
  this is just from personal experience.
• 49:53
  This is what I can actually speak to
• 49:55
  where this situation was
• 49:56
  applied with my business
• 49:59
  that I had. When I'm doing
• 50:01
  event and concert production, for example,
• 50:03
  and I'm out there, I built it to a certain level
• 50:06
  that it became so known
• 50:08
  or I became known within that certain industry
• 50:10
  where I am
• 50:11
  that it's almost like you invest
• 50:14
  all this money in equipment and you invest all this money
• 50:16
  and payroll
• 50:18
  and infrastructure and having people
• 50:20
  that all of a sudden it turns
• 50:22
  into like, I'm feeding this machine.
• 50:24
  I don't know how to stop it.
• 50:25
  And if I do, the whole thing just
• 50:27
  implodes on us all.
• 50:29
  House of cards.
• 50:29
  exactly yeah because i mean that's how it eventually gets it's like you're just moving
• 50:34
  so fast it's like wait i need this i need that and so that that's i think that's what happens to a
• 50:40
  lot of um a lot of these so-called podcasters right i think they start they start with good
• 50:46
  intentions and i'm not saying that in their heart they may no longer have good intentions but now
• 50:51
  they realize they got to feed the beast because you know if they miss one episode if they don't
• 50:56
  say one thing after a major event, people
• 50:58
  lose interest and they move on. And they can't
• 51:00
  afford to move on. So it's like...
• 51:02
  You have to disconnect from that.
• 51:04
  I thought in the early days,
• 51:06
  that was my biggest fear. It's if I
• 51:08
  disappeared for a day and they'd all forget.
• 51:10
  And I have gone
• 51:12
  on many a hiatus. And you learn
• 51:14
  that in the real world of TV and production,
• 51:17
  that hiatus is
• 51:18
  normal. You don't expect your favorite show
• 51:20
  to put out an episode every week, every day
• 51:22
  of the year, or every week of the year.
• 51:24
  So there's breaks.
• 51:26
  that's healthy.
• 51:27
  But the constant cycle of social media
• 51:30
  makes you feel like in order to stay on top,
• 51:33
  you have to always be there.
• 51:35
  Well, that's the reason my social media
• 51:37
  is not that big.
• 51:38
  I don't sit there 24-7 working it.
• 51:41
  I just don't have the time.
• 51:42
  I got a real life.
• 51:43
  I got real things to take care of.
• 51:46
  But these other people we're talking about,
• 51:48
  that is their career now.
• 51:49
  You know what I'm saying?
• 51:50
  They don't know how to disconnect and shut it off.
• 51:52
  You and I, I know you've got a hiatus.
• 51:54
  So do I.
• 51:55
  I am not consistent.
• 51:57
  You know, what's this?
• 52:00
  Today's Sunday.
• 52:01
  So yesterday was my day off.
• 52:03
  Okay?
• 52:04
  Now, I joke that it's my day off
• 52:05
  because all week I'm streaming.
• 52:06
  But yesterday was my day off,
• 52:08
  so I spent all morning doing other things.
• 52:10
  And then I still went to the park and streamed,
• 52:12
  what did we stream,
• 52:12
  seven hours on TikTok last night?
• 52:15
  Yeah.
• 52:15
  That was my day off.
• 52:17
  That's a day.
• 52:18
  That's a day.
• 52:18
  That's not just a day off.
• 52:20
  But because you know what happens,
• 52:21
  and I know you can relate to this,
• 52:22
  and I'm really glad that actually
• 52:23
  we're doing a little under the hood
• 52:25
  on process this time.
• 52:28
  But I know you can relate to this.
• 52:29
  I had done so much of everything else that I had to do
• 52:33
  that I was tired of that shit.
• 52:36
  And I just wanted to do the thing that I do,
• 52:39
  the thing that people expect me to do,
• 52:40
  the thing that I enjoy doing the most,
• 52:42
  the thing that comes to the easiest,
• 52:43
  the thing that makes the most money.
• 52:45
  But you have to stop sometimes.
• 52:47
  You have to do the editing.
• 52:48
  You have to do the...
• 52:49
  Anybody who saw my socials yesterday was like,
• 52:52
  oh, he's catching up on videos
• 52:53
  because I was dropping videos everywhere.
• 52:56
  That's what I do.
• 52:57
  I do the same thing.
• 52:59
  Yeah.
• 52:59
  I just dump it.
• 53:01
  Yeah.
• 53:02
  But do you remember the time
• 53:03
  when you overthought that?
• 53:05
  You were like,
• 53:05
  I don't want to put two in a row.
• 53:08
  Now you're just like,
• 53:09
  fuck it,
• 53:09
  I got to get these out of my plate.
• 53:10
  Yeah.
• 53:11
  There's supposedly this formula
• 53:12
  to posting on social media,
• 53:14
  releasing things.
• 53:14
  I don't even care.
• 53:15
  I'm at the point now,
• 53:16
  it's like,
• 53:17
  you know what?
• 53:19
  I don't have time for this.
• 53:20
  I don't use a bunch of scheduling software
• 53:22
  and it's like,
• 53:24
  I have the time now.
• 53:25
  I'm just going to put it out
• 53:25
  because I don't know when I'll be able
• 53:26
  to have the time to do it again.
• 53:27
  So it's like, whatever.
• 53:28
  but I think this content creation thing
• 53:31
  if you let it, it'll take you over
• 53:34
  and it'll become this beast that you got to keep feeding
• 53:37
  and you're right, you got to take breaks, you got to step away and just realize
• 53:39
  you got to have a normal life
• 53:43
  you got to be able to
• 53:45
  because look, social media is not necessarily the real world
• 53:48
  it's filled with bots, it's filled with AI
• 53:51
  it's filled with a lot of things that you could be arguing
• 53:53
  with a freaking program
• 53:55
  you know
• 53:56
  that's the reality of it
• 53:58
  so
• 53:58
  you got to tune out
• 54:00
  and talk to people
• 54:01
  in the real world
• 54:02
  like
• 54:03
  compare and contrast
• 54:04
  what you see on social media
• 54:05
  with what your friends
• 54:06
  and family
• 54:06
  or your colleagues
• 54:07
  are saying
• 54:08
  in the real world
• 54:08
  and that'll give you
• 54:09
  a gauge of what's
• 54:10
  really happening
• 54:10
  you know
• 54:11
  and that goes
• 54:12
  for the audience
• 54:13
  it's both
• 54:14
  the producers
• 54:15
  and the consumers
• 54:16
  as I call them everybody needs a little moderation and I think that the biggest problem with social media and we can end on this because I know you have to go is it works best
• 54:29
  for the companies when
• 54:31
  engagement is up
• 54:33
  obviously
• 54:34
  so what's the thing
• 54:37
  that drives engagement? Conflict
• 54:39
  right?
• 54:41
  It's just like the news
• 54:42
  on TV in the
• 54:45
  old days
• 54:45
  the old days, George.
• 54:47
  Right.
• 54:51
  It's provocative cells,
• 54:53
  conflict cells.
• 54:54
  You don't turn on the news
• 54:55
  to see happy stories.
• 54:57
  You turn on the news
• 54:57
  to see car wrecks and fires.
• 55:00
  Yeah.
• 55:00
  You know?
• 55:01
  No other people realize
• 55:03
  that's another story.
• 55:03
  You have to be honest with yourself.
• 55:05
  So social media is designed
• 55:06
  for negativity.
• 55:07
  It's all rage bait.
• 55:09
  You know, rage bait drives the algorithm.
• 55:10
  That's just basically what it is.
• 55:12
  And the fact that we have
• 55:13
  an algorithm, a program,
• 55:15
  determining what content is seen and what isn't is ridiculous. It's not really based on
• 55:19
  what people come across and what they actually like. It's about what's fed and what's force-fed
• 55:25
  to you, really. And I think some people, it's a big game and it sucks because it's like,
• 55:32
  if you keep seeing the same message over and over and over, you either eventually buy in or you
• 55:37
  become so disgusted that you just check out. And unfortunately, a lot of people buy in.
• 55:42
  you know it's it's just the way it is it's just basic you know marketing 101 it's like just like
• 55:48
  you said before you know what when you refer to c-band flooding the zone with shit that's what
• 55:52
  happens it's just constant and but unfortunately it's based on a computer program doing that
• 55:57
  it's not us connecting with what we really like or we're just we're just like seeing the same
• 56:03
  like i made the example cats for example cats dancing on a riptop you see it over and over and
• 56:08
  over and over and then you start to go yeah that's kind of funny you know i like that i'm gonna look
• 56:11
  get more cats.
• 56:12
  Like you're being conditioned
• 56:13
  to like the stuff.
• 56:14
  You don't even get the choice.
• 56:15
  No,
• 56:16
  in five seconds
• 56:17
  and then tells you
• 56:18
  you like cats.
• 56:19
  Exactly.
• 56:19
  So you're being conditioned
• 56:20
  to like what you like
• 56:22
  on social media
• 56:23
  and that's why your feed
• 56:24
  turns into what it is
• 56:24
  and that's why
• 56:25
  all you see is this
• 56:26
  sometimes just
• 56:27
  super negative stuff
• 56:28
  because that is
• 56:29
  what you're responding to.
• 56:31
  I guess the only way
• 56:32
  to break the algorithm
• 56:32
  is stop responding.
• 56:34
  You know,
• 56:35
  say no,
• 56:35
  I don't like this.
• 56:37
  You know,
• 56:37
  move on to something else.
• 56:38
  I switched iPhones like a week or two ago I actually late I return it And AT like well you can do the swap now And I like we figure this out later because I not you know
• 56:50
  I need time as a content creator
• 56:51
  to get all this stuff off my phone.
• 56:53
  I can't do it in the time they give me.
• 56:55
  And I'm too busy.
• 56:57
  But anyway, so I never,
• 56:59
  I realized I never brought the X app over
• 57:02
  because I do like,
• 57:03
  I don't do like an auto update.
• 57:06
  I manually bring stuff over from phone to phone.
• 57:09
  And so I had not been on X in weeks.
• 57:12
  That's the best thing I've ever done.
• 57:15
  I did the same thing.
• 57:16
  I just got back on it because I had a little bit of a break
• 57:20
  and I had to catch up on some stuff.
• 57:22
  And I was just like, it's such a different world.
• 57:26
  Since you brought up iPhone, I was going to bring this up.
• 57:29
  I don't know.
• 57:29
  I know I got to go, but I'm going to read it.
• 57:32
  I'm going to read it.
• 57:33
  Did you hear about the Apple allegedly being sued for possible use of conflict minerals?
• 57:40
  So there's an advocacy group here.
• 57:44
  I are a advocates.
• 57:46
  They sued Apple over the use of minerals from conflict zones and human rights abuses in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda, despite Apple's denials.
• 57:56
  Interesting.
• 57:56
  I only brought that up because you were talking about Apple earlier and you said it again.
• 58:00
  But it seems like they're in hot water.
• 58:02
  and this is basically circling back
• 58:05
  to what we talked about earlier
• 58:07
  about post-Trump.
• 58:08
  I think we're going to see more people
• 58:10
  standing up and holding people,
• 58:12
  companies, everything accountable
• 58:13
  because I think they're kind of done
• 58:15
  with what's happening
• 58:16
  and they're actually looking through the bullshit
• 58:19
  and doing their own research
• 58:21
  and finding the truth
• 58:21
  and going, hold on, this isn't right.
• 58:23
  We got to do something about this.
• 58:25
  So that's interesting.
• 58:26
  I hope you're right.
• 58:27
  I hope you're right.
• 58:28
  But who's going to stand up to Apple?
• 58:30
  Apple's like one of the richest companies
• 58:31
  if not the richest company?
• 58:33
  Well, I got to read deeper into this,
• 58:35
  but there's an advocacy group
• 58:37
  that actually came together
• 58:38
  to bring this lawsuit to Apple.
• 58:40
  So it's happening.
• 58:41
  So the lawsuit alleges
• 58:42
  Apple's supply chain includes
• 58:44
  cobalt, tin, tantalum, tungsten,
• 58:47
  linked to child and forced labor
• 58:48
  armed groups in the Congo Rwanda.
• 58:50
  And you know what?
• 58:51
  A lot of that, I'll just say is true.
• 58:53
  And a lot of that is also driven by China
• 58:56
  who actually controls the area and the mines.
• 58:58
  And that's a whole other conversation
• 58:59
  that we get into.
• 59:00
  Something that not talked about enough but I thought I leave you with that little tidbit I got to just put a button on that now because you bringing this to Disney and you don even realize it So they talk about cobalt on the animal kingdom on the safari
• 59:13
  because they talk about conservation,
• 59:14
  animal conservation, recycling your
• 59:16
  electronic devices because these are minerals
• 59:18
  that are finite.
• 59:21
  Right. And it affects the
• 59:22
  environments of these animals
• 59:24
  like the elephants. So it
• 59:26
  kind of all comes back. But yeah,
• 59:28
  leave it there.
• 59:30
  but conservation and caring about the planet should not be a political issue,
• 59:34
  George.
• 59:36
  No,
• 59:36
  it should not.
• 59:38
  Why are you laughing at that?
• 59:39
  Which is hilarious to me.
• 59:42
  Oh,
• 59:42
  because it shouldn't be.
• 59:44
  That shouldn't even be an argument,
• 59:45
  dude.
• 59:45
  It's like,
• 59:46
  do you just walk in your living room and just throw trash on the ground?
• 59:49
  I mean,
• 59:49
  really?
• 59:50
  I knew a guy in studio city,
• 59:52
  California that literally did.
• 59:53
  I walked into his house and his entire house was littered with trash and I
• 59:57
  didn't know it.
• 59:58
  And I had the drummer from The Tonight Show with us
• 1:00:01
  because I was working on NBC at the time.
• 1:00:04
  And he wanted to smoke a bowl.
• 1:00:07
  And I was like,
• 1:00:08
  oh, we'll go over here to Lee's house.
• 1:00:10
  I didn't know that Lee was a spoiled kid
• 1:00:12
  that literally,
• 1:00:14
  George, when I tell you this kid had trash on the floor
• 1:00:17
  across the entire house,
• 1:00:19
  he had trash on the floor.
• 1:00:20
  There's no exaggeration here.
• 1:00:22
  It was the grossest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:00:24
  And we had to kick trash away to sit down.
• 1:00:26
  People live that way.
• 1:00:28
  That's crazy, man.
• 1:00:29
  People live that way.
• 1:00:32
  So yeah, people can treat the earth that way.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  That's ridiculous.
• 1:00:38
  But anyway, I think what you said is correct.
• 1:00:41
  Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  It should not be a political issue.
• 1:00:43
  Correct.
• 1:00:44
  It really shouldn't.
• 1:00:46
  All right.
• 1:00:46
  Well, look.
• 1:00:46
  I got to go.
• 1:00:47
  I got the other guy over here.
• 1:00:49
  Oh, go.
• 1:00:49
  Bye.
• 1:00:50
  He's poking at me.
• 1:00:51
  No, no, no.
• 1:00:51
  Let's go.
• 1:00:51
  Wrap up.
• 1:00:52
  Wrap up.
• 1:00:53
  We'll do it.
• 1:00:53
  No, no.
• 1:00:54
  We'll do this again, I'm sure.
• 1:00:55
  I enjoyed these conversations, and I like that today became a little bit more about,
• 1:00:58
  about work because
• 1:01:00
  work has been really heavy for me lately.
• 1:01:02
  So I kind of like to hear other people's process
• 1:01:04
  and not feel like I'm on an island.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, and that being said,
• 1:01:08
  you know,
• 1:01:08
  what?
• 1:01:12
  And that being said, I suddenly have another one lined up
• 1:01:14
  right now. So it's like...
• 1:01:16
  Go. You're not working hard enough. Go.
• 1:01:18
  All right. Thank you, Russ. Take care.
• 1:01:21
  Bye. Later. Bye.