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Feminist Movie Friday: Scream · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told you Protection of I Heart Radio, and
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Speaker 1: it's time for another feminist movie Friday. I am so
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Speaker 1: excited about this one. This one is very indulgent. I'll
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Speaker 1: admit this one is something that I really wanted to
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Speaker 1: do because today we're going to be doing a comparison
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Speaker 1: of the Scream, the original Scream and the Newest Scream.
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Speaker 1: Scream are Scream five. All those pretty considered also Scream
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Speaker 1: h confusingly enough, but there will be spoilers for that,
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Speaker 1: and there will be spoilers for all five. I'm just
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Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now. So if you want to wait,
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Speaker 1: I know the news Scream just came out on streaming.
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Speaker 1: Go check it out and then come back because I
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Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts. Got a lot thoughts about it.
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Speaker 1: She does, and I mean like the day she watched it,
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Speaker 1: I was getting text like, oh my god, it's these
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Speaker 1: these things and I can't wait for you to watch it.
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Speaker 1: So I definitely had to watch this with her, the
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Speaker 1: Newest Scream. Actually I watched the third one with you
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Speaker 1: as well, because I just never got into it and
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Speaker 1: you're like, but but and someone to watch that as well. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's the only one I Missic is for. And I'll
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Speaker 1: get you one day, Samantha, I'll get you one day. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we are gonna be talking about death and sexual
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Speaker 1: assault and violence. Nothing to your graphic, but that's kind
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Speaker 1: of what is going on in these movies. Also, Samantha,
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Speaker 1: you impressed. I kept the outline short. I assumed you
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Speaker 1: did this and in the idea that when we start
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Speaker 1: talking about it, it's gonna double, if not trouble. Samantha
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Speaker 1: gave me very strict instructions and I did my best
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Speaker 1: to follow them. About public, I was like, look, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do this, and I'm excited for you to do this.
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Speaker 1: What if you don't, I'm going to take these other
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Speaker 1: things away from me and I'm gonna do it for
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Speaker 1: you and convince it. This is our work relationship, balance
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Speaker 1: each other out. It's perfect. Yes. Yes, Indeed, see our
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Speaker 1: past episodes on Final Girls, Survival, Horror Um, why didn't
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Speaker 1: you Believe Her? And especially Scream Queens, which, as Samantha
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Speaker 1: properly commented on in that episode, was kind of a
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Speaker 1: trojan horse for me to get to talk about Sydney
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Speaker 1: Prescott who was trotagonist. It wasn't a trick. I just
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Speaker 1: I went wild, Samanth, I gotta stop. This is one
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Speaker 1: of those like I'll take this that you take these two,
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Speaker 1: and I'll take the majority of it because I know
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Speaker 1: what these two will do to the outline. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: have a lot of feels about Sydney Prescott. I love
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Speaker 1: her so much feels. Yes, and we are going to
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Speaker 1: talk about some of that, even though yes, I really
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Speaker 1: did go on and on about it in our Screen
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Speaker 1: Queens episode, So definitely listen to that one as kind
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Speaker 1: a companion to this one. Also, I know there's some
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Speaker 1: really terrible people associated with some of these, uh, and
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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about that. I did talk
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Speaker 1: about it in the Scream Queen's episode, especially about how
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Speaker 1: I think Scream three and me and others think Scream
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Speaker 1: three is about Harvey Weinstein, who is listed as an
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Speaker 1: executive producer for the first four. So we will talk
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Speaker 1: about that. But first let's let's break down the plot,
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Speaker 1: starting with the original Scream, which was a meta slasher
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Speaker 1: comedy movie directed by Wes Craven and written by Kevin Williamson.
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Speaker 1: It stars Nev Campbell as high schooler and final girl,
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Speaker 1: Sydney Prescott Courtney Cox as news anchor Gayle Weathers. And yes,
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Speaker 1: the names are excellent, and they're so funny. David Arquette
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Speaker 1: as Deputy Dwight Dewey, Riley Rose McGowan as his sister,
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Speaker 1: Tatum Um also Sydney's best friend, Jamie Kennedy as movie
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Speaker 1: lover Rand Meeks, Matthew Lillard as Katum's boyfriend and killer
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Speaker 1: Stu Mocker, Skeet Ulrich as Sydney's boyfriend and also killer
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Speaker 1: Billy Loomis, and Drew Barrymore as Casey becker Um. And
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Speaker 1: it is very very nineties. It was so very nineties.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was coming off the height of Party
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Speaker 1: of Five. So Nev Campbell was already a big nineties star.
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Speaker 1: And I guess around the craft too, So like this
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Speaker 1: is this is her moment to shine? Yes, and shine
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Speaker 1: she did, I say. Sydney Prescott h Campbell's character is
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Speaker 1: a high schooler at Woodsbor High whose mother, Maureen, has
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Speaker 1: been violently raped and murdered a year before the movie starts.
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Speaker 1: Sydney testified at the trial, and the murderer was determined
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Speaker 1: to be Cotton Weary, played by Leev schreiber Um, a
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Speaker 1: man her mother had been cheating with. It was a
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Speaker 1: highly publicized trial that caught nationwide attention, and many victims
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Speaker 1: blamed her mom, calling her slut. Basically, she deserved it,
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Speaker 1: she brought it on herself. After two of Sydney's peers
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Speaker 1: are murdered by killer in a ghost face mask, including
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Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore. In a very graphic opening scene which introduced
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Speaker 1: the famous what's your favorite scary movie line, a curfew
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Speaker 1: is introduced and gossip and finger pointing goes rampant. Everybody
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Speaker 1: is a suspect, with many thinking that Sydney is snapped
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Speaker 1: on the anniversary of her mother's death. Meanwhile, you've got
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, Billy, who's pressuring her to have sex, something
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Speaker 1: Sydney is reluctant to do because of what happened to
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Speaker 1: her mother, and now people talk about her like being
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Speaker 1: this slut. Billy also compares his mother leaving his dad
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Speaker 1: and leaving town to Sydney's mother's death, which does not
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Speaker 1: go over well with Sydney. If you can imagine, Sydney's
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Speaker 1: father goes out of town, leaving her home alone. When
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Speaker 1: she gets a phone call that she thinks it's a
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Speaker 1: prank call, and this is when she quips about horror movies.
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Speaker 1: They're all the same, some big breasted bimbo running up
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Speaker 1: the stairs instead of going up front door. Its insulting.
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Speaker 1: She is attacked by the killer, who seemingly disappears just
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Speaker 1: for Billy to show up. Sydney starts suspect it's him
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Speaker 1: who was arrested and taken in for questioning. Sydney decides
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Speaker 1: to spend the night with her friend Tatum, and before
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Speaker 1: she goes, as she's leaving the police station, she punches
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Speaker 1: a very persistent Gail Weathers in the face. Because Weathers
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Speaker 1: is critical of Sydney's testimony against Cotton Weary and believes
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Speaker 1: that he was wrongfully convicted that the killer is still
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Speaker 1: out there. She wrote a tell all book about the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. While at Tatum's, Sydney gets a call from
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Speaker 1: the killer, leading her to believe that Billy can't be
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Speaker 1: the person who attacked her. Right, And in gil Weather's book,
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Speaker 1: she does kind of perpetuate that the mom was at fault, right,
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Speaker 1: That's why she really disliked her. Not at fault, but
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Speaker 1: like she wasn't necessarily kind of yeah, that's the reason
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Speaker 1: that Sydney really really really doesn't like it because it
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Speaker 1: sort she sort of played up like the whole rape
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Speaker 1: aspect that maybe it wasn't rape and maybe they were
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Speaker 1: having a consensual affair right at that Sidney did not
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Speaker 1: like message. I mean, this kind of goes into because
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Speaker 1: I want to say, and it wasn't necessarily the beginning,
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Speaker 1: but like definitely a good high point for true crime
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Speaker 1: things like the things that gel Wather was doing and
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Speaker 1: which we see now not now, but we're paying attention
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Speaker 1: more to the fact that, hey, the families should have
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Speaker 1: a little more to say and we should really care
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Speaker 1: about the victims families and what they're going through. So
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Speaker 1: it kind of was like meta in that yes, even
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Speaker 1: absolutely we're going to talk about that too, because I
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Speaker 1: got some more thoughts about that, so many thoughts. So
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Speaker 1: after the principle of the school is murdered, yes, everybody's
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Speaker 1: just dying, school is canceled, and of course the kids
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Speaker 1: decide to break curfew and throw a party at Stew's
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Speaker 1: house because what else do you do? You know, people
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Speaker 1: round your dying, Let's have a party. This is where
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Speaker 1: Randy lays out the rules of surviving a horror movie,
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Speaker 1: so like that's will be ingrained in my mind. The
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Speaker 1: scene no sex, so don't show your tests for women
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Speaker 1: obviously when she does, oh, no alcohol or drugs and
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Speaker 1: never say I'll be back that Actually, what did I say,
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back? Uh, that's even worse, right. Party
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Speaker 1: members start getting picked off one by one, including Tatum,
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Speaker 1: who was crushed, Yes, crushed by a garage door. Of
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Speaker 1: course that was also like another fear instilled between that
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Speaker 1: and final destination of like all these inanimate things I've
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Speaker 1: never thought about before. Yeah, petrified. Gil secretly put a
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Speaker 1: camera in the home where the party is being held,
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Speaker 1: and she and Dewey go to investigate an abandoned car
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Speaker 1: they think belongs to Sydney's dad. Oh Gail. Then comes
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Speaker 1: the famous Act three. Sydney has sex with Billy, and
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Speaker 1: then Randy and do we get stabbed? Then Gail's in
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Speaker 1: a car crash, and then Sydney discovers that Billy and
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Speaker 1: Stu are the killers, and that Sydney's mom had been
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Speaker 1: having sex with Billy's dad, and that he blames that
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Speaker 1: fact that that's why his mom left, So he actually
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Speaker 1: killed Sydney's mom Stu says he just succumbed to peer pressure,
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Speaker 1: but you know, he actually really likes it, and they
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Speaker 1: reveal they have her dad tied up in the closet
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Speaker 1: and are going to kill her, kill him, stabbed themselves
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Speaker 1: and be the sole survivors, blaming it on her dad.
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Speaker 1: Sidy manages to get away after they stabbed themselves and
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Speaker 1: Gil distracts them, calling them with their own voice modulator
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Speaker 1: and toy with them. She kills Stu and with the
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Speaker 1: help of Gil, Billy too and Gil reports on the
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Speaker 1: scene as the movie ends. Yes, literally like she's brushing
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Speaker 1: herself off, which, by the way, again, we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about this in the nearer version. I'm like, they all
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Speaker 1: been pretty much stabbed and shot and beaten, and they're all, okay,
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Speaker 1: we shouldna send you home. What world is this? But anyway, whatever,
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Speaker 1: That's just so. This movie when it came out was
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Speaker 1: a commercial and critical success. It's credited with revitalizing the
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Speaker 1: horror genre in the nineteen nineties with its satirical tongue
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Speaker 1: in cheek nature and witty dialogue. It created a whole
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Speaker 1: legion of passionate fans and inspired four S equals on
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Speaker 1: a show so far and another movie is already in
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Speaker 1: the works. Brief rundown of the other movies. The second
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Speaker 1: one has a lot of boyfriend trauma and one of
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Speaker 1: the killers is Billy's mom. The third one is all
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Speaker 1: about how Sydney's mom was sexually abused while pursuing acting
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Speaker 1: in Hollywood, had a son she gave up, and this
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Speaker 1: son went to Billy and gave him the push to
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Speaker 1: kill Maureen Sydney's mom and is the killer in the
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Speaker 1: third one, Um And in the fourth Sydney writes a
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Speaker 1: book about her experiences, and the killers are a movie
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Speaker 1: fan and Sydney's cousin who wants to be the new Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Yet I didn't watch. Yeah, I've actually like watched it
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Speaker 1: twice recently now, so it's fresh on my mind. I
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Speaker 1: got I got some thoughts about it too, which brings
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Speaker 1: us to the newest one, Scream Screen five. And yes,
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Speaker 1: they make fun of using the same title in the movie, because,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't picked up on it, these
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Speaker 1: movies are so so meta and they're so meta, so
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Speaker 1: they do make fun of using the same title within them.
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Speaker 1: So Scream Scream five is a horror slasher comedy meta
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Speaker 1: movie from Yes, directed by Matt Bettinelli Open and Tyler
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Speaker 1: Gillette or Gillette I Hope I'm Getting the Red and
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Speaker 1: written by James Vanderbilt and Guy Music. In addition to
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Speaker 1: legacy characters Sydney Gayale and Dewey, with Campbell Cox and
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Speaker 1: are Cat reprising their roles um the movie stars Melissa
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Speaker 1: Barrera as Samantha Carpenter, Jack Quaid as Ritchie Kirsh, Mikey
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Speaker 1: Madison is Amber Freeman, Jinna Ortega as Tara Carpenter, Dylan
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Speaker 1: Manette as was Hicks, Jasmine That, Safoy Brown is Mindy
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Speaker 1: Meeks Martin, Mason Gooding as Chad meets Martin, and Skeet
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Speaker 1: O Rich reprises his role as Billy Loomis, and Easter
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Speaker 1: Egg says I just watched this again too. Hayden Pantier's
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Speaker 1: character Kirby from Screen four, who was a fan favorite
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Speaker 1: uh is revealed to be alive because it's like it's
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Speaker 1: there's a part where they're watching like a review of
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Speaker 1: stab Eit and in the back there's a freeze frame
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Speaker 1: of like the YouTube page and it's like if you
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Speaker 1: like this, watch also, and it has a a thumbnail
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Speaker 1: that says survivor Kirby whatever comes back to talk about
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Speaker 1: her experience. So, yeah, I always hated she died and
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Speaker 1: Scare four. Yes, And also a bunch of actor from
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Speaker 1: the first one provide voiceover during the party scene, including
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Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore and Matthew Lillard. And Matthew Lillard is also
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Speaker 1: the voice of STAB eights killer because they show a
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Speaker 1: clip from STAB eight's fun. Yeah, that's great. And also
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Speaker 1: director Ryan Johnson, which we're going to talk about. But
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Speaker 1: that kind of settles some question I had when when
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Speaker 1: I were talking about this Samantha. Yes, does that make
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Speaker 1: it feel better? Now we're talking about listeners when you
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Speaker 1: find out we're talking about she was having a moment
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Speaker 1: of dilemma, I was having a crisis. So the movie
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Speaker 1: opens twenty five years after the first one, back in Woodsborrow.
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Speaker 1: High school student Tara Carpenter is attacked in her home
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Speaker 1: by a killer and a ghost face mask. After this
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Speaker 1: killer quizzes her over the phone about STAB movie trivia
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Speaker 1: and Stab is the in universe movies that are based
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Speaker 1: on Green, So it's like a movie series about Scream
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Speaker 1: within Scream makes sense, right, Yes, Tara survives and is hospitalized,
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Speaker 1: and one of her friends contacts her strange older sister, Sam,
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Speaker 1: who is out in Modesto, California, and Sam returns to
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Speaker 1: Woodsboro with her boyfriend Ritchie, who seems unaware of the
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Speaker 1: Woodsboro killings um and the STAB movies that are based
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Speaker 1: on them, and yes, at this point there are eight
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Speaker 1: of these Stab movies. At the hospital, Samantha's reunited with
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Speaker 1: Tara's friend group Amber West, twins Mindy and Chad, who
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Speaker 1: are the niece and nephew of Randy Meeks from the
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Speaker 1: first three, and Chad's girlfriend live That night, Tara's friends
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Speaker 1: are at a bar discussing suspects, which is like a
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Speaker 1: key thing in all these movies. They have the scene
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Speaker 1: where they're all like, could it could be you? Which
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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things of these when unbeknowns
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Speaker 1: to them, lives ex boyfriend, who also happens to be
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Speaker 1: a relative of Stu Mocker, which is one of the
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Speaker 1: killers from the first movie, is murdered by ghost Face. Later,
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Speaker 1: Samantha's in the hospital break room taking some pills when
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Speaker 1: she sees the memory of Billy Loomas hovering over her shoulder.
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Speaker 1: He speaks to her a moment before Sam is attacked
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Speaker 1: by ghost Face. She manages to get away and reveals
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Speaker 1: to Tara the reason she changed, became distant towards Tara,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately why she left, is that when she was
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Speaker 1: thirteen and Tara was eight, Samantha discovered from her mom's
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Speaker 1: diaries that she was in love with Billy Loomis, the
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Speaker 1: other serial killer from the first one, had an affair
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Speaker 1: with him, and that he was actually Sam's father. Sam
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Speaker 1: confronted her mother about it, and her father, who hadn't
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Speaker 1: known here's the argument, and leaves. Her mother blames Samantha
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Speaker 1: for her father leaving and never treated her the same,
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Speaker 1: all while Sam struggled with the fact that her father
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Speaker 1: was a serial killer. Her hallucinations a manifestation of her
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Speaker 1: guilt and fear. She end up like him. Shocked and hurt,
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Speaker 1: Tara angrily orders Sam to leave Sam fire is Richie
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Speaker 1: outside the door, and he admits he overheard the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: They decide to visit an expert on ghost face killings, Dewey,
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Speaker 1: who is now divorced from Gail, retired or pretty much fired,
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Speaker 1: and living in isolation. He reluctantly and grumpily gives them
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Speaker 1: advice to telling Sam to never trust the love interest
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Speaker 1: and to look at her sister's close group of friends.
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Speaker 1: After they leave, Dewey contact Sydney, who is married to Mark,
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Speaker 1: which is Patrick Dempsey from the third one from this
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Speaker 1: We didn't know well I could remember his name, so
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Speaker 1: I have to look it up. But yes it is
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Speaker 1: him and they have kids together. Uh. And Dewey tells
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Speaker 1: her there's another killer on the loose and stay away
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Speaker 1: from wood Burrow. She's like, no offense, I'm never coming
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Speaker 1: near that town again. Then Dewey text Gail the same thing,
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Speaker 1: complete with smiley face. Um. He then goes with Sam
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Speaker 1: and Ritchie to the Meeks's house, where he is reunited
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Speaker 1: with Randy's sister and randy his niece. Um. And Randy's
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Speaker 1: niece lays out the rules of a recoal, which we've
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Speaker 1: talked about but yes, it's not quite a reboot, not
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Speaker 1: quite a sequel. And during this there is a direct
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Speaker 1: call out to Ryan Johnson, who directed the much maligned
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Speaker 1: Stab eight in This Universe and The Last Jedi, which
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Speaker 1: is the eighth movie of the Skywalker series, which Rhein
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Speaker 1: Johnson actually did right. Johnson actually did interact there's talk
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Speaker 1: of Mary Sus and fan fiction. There's a great line
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Speaker 1: where dess maybe you're the killer because that cut deep
17:38
Speaker 1: Minty claims that Samantha is not only the Mary Sue
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Speaker 1: the main character, she also makes the most sense as
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Speaker 1: the killer. There are so many things that throughout this movie.
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Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't make sense, this seems unnecessary.
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Speaker 1: What is happening? But we will get all into that
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Speaker 1: just yet. Because I was like, the whole like serial killer,
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Speaker 1: because you and I talked about it for a minute
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Speaker 1: and I was like, but Billy wasn't your typical serial killer.
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Speaker 1: He was very much focused on torturing Sydney as a whole,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily doing a specific thing because he was driven
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Speaker 1: by it. So I was like, this doesn't align to
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Speaker 1: that necessarily. He was just like, sure, he could be
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Speaker 1: triggered and they started things, and who knows if he
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Speaker 1: had been alive, had he continued. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions in my head. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: so it's Sam really susceptible to being a serial killer too,
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Speaker 1: which is her fear. In Shane, I think this is
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Speaker 1: awesome because he watched a lot of true crime and
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Speaker 1: there was so many, but you're trying to psycho analyze
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Speaker 1: all the characters. So I don't think this was because
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the ending, because I had some some
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Speaker 1: theories about the ending. But okay, here we go. So
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Speaker 1: several more deaths follow, all with connections to pass murders.
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Speaker 1: After West and his mother, Judy Hicks, are killed, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, bothered me the most the entire movie.
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Speaker 1: I think the entire build up to that. I was like,
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Speaker 1: why this seems so unnecessary. You don't have to kill them, Like,
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Speaker 1: I get why you're killing I get it, but why?
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Speaker 1: And then Gil is reunited with Dewey. Also that part
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Speaker 1: about the fact that Judy got murdered on her lawn
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Speaker 1: and broad daylight after she had the sirens on and
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Speaker 1: jumps out of her car like no one knows. Okay,
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Speaker 1: cool anyway, So Gil is reunited with Dewey and he
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Speaker 1: reveals he just couldn't hack it in New York and
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Speaker 1: left in the middle of the night. It's very sad.
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Speaker 1: Sam realizes no one is protecting her sister and the hospital,
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Speaker 1: and she and Dewey high tail it over there right
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Speaker 1: because all of the cops showed up too you know,
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Speaker 1: because Judy Hicks was the sheriff. They needed to find
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Speaker 1: out what was happening. Came to that site, but they
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Speaker 1: was like, oh no, who's protecting my sister? And apparently
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Speaker 1: you know no one. Tara and Richie are attacked, but
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Speaker 1: Sam and Dewey get there in time to save them,
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Speaker 1: but when Dewey goes back to confront the killer, he
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Speaker 1: is murdered, with the killer saying is an honor Again.
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Speaker 1: I had a lot of issues. I'm like, there's no
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Speaker 1: way this could have happened. I know, willing, suspension of disbelief,
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Speaker 1: but I just just could not. This is probably why
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Speaker 1: I can't watch stab like murder, like gory horror movies.
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Speaker 1: This doesn't make sense physically, this does not make sense.
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Speaker 1: I still hold to that. This brings a Sydney into
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Speaker 1: town and she tries to tell Sam that the killer
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Speaker 1: is not going to stop hunting her even if she
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Speaker 1: leaves Whisborough, but Sam disagrees and she, Richie and Tara
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Speaker 1: get into the car to book it out of there. However,
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Speaker 1: Tara can't find her in hailer, and yes, that's one
20:36
Speaker 1: of the big things. She has to have her in
20:38
Speaker 1: haler or she's going to die. So they have to
20:40
Speaker 1: stop at Amber's house, which they're like, oh, yeah, I
20:42
Speaker 1: have one at Amber's house the friend for her to
20:45
Speaker 1: get her spare one, and so they arrive trying to
20:48
Speaker 1: get this. Of course there's a party, why because there's
20:52
Speaker 1: always a party. So Sydney and Gal follow them, and
20:55
Speaker 1: they realized that Amber's house was once stew Bocher's house
20:59
Speaker 1: where the rich Nold Woodsboro bloodbath took place. And yes,
21:03
Speaker 1: you and I talked about the fact that we knew
21:05
Speaker 1: that basement. I was like, this looks familiar because I
21:07
Speaker 1: started asking about the garage kill when they were down there,
21:10
Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, you to tell me. So
21:14
Speaker 1: Amber is throwing a party but kicks everyone out when Tara,
21:18
Speaker 1: Sam and Ritchie arrive. Chad and Mindy are both attacked
21:21
Speaker 1: by ghost Face, and Live suddenly appears after having left earlier,
21:26
Speaker 1: and Amber shoots her in the head, yes, revealing herself
21:29
Speaker 1: to be the killer Dot Dot Dot by the way,
21:32
Speaker 1: I guess that Richie and Sam flee and Richie tells
21:35
Speaker 1: Sam he thinks Tara is Amber's accomplice. Sam disagrees and
21:39
Speaker 1: leaves him to search for her, finding her tied up
21:42
Speaker 1: in a closet, just as Sydney's dad had been in
21:44
Speaker 1: the first one, and then she has his taste to
21:47
Speaker 1: untie her. UM. Meanwhile, Amber shoots an injured's gale Um
21:52
Speaker 1: Richie stabs Samon reveals to her that he is actually
21:56
Speaker 1: Amber's accomplice. I called that one too, Um. They forced
22:01
Speaker 1: Sydney and Sam into the kitchen, revealing they air STAB
22:04
Speaker 1: movie fans that met on Reddit who are disappointed with
22:07
Speaker 1: Stab eight and want to provide new source material to
22:11
Speaker 1: get the franchise back on track UM, bringing back the
22:15
Speaker 1: original cast with Sam as the killer. However, Sam reveals
22:21
Speaker 1: she untied Tara, and Tara attacks Amber. Sam attacks Ritchie,
22:26
Speaker 1: and Amber falls on the stove and Gail shoots her,
22:29
Speaker 1: lighting her on fire. Sam is injured but manages to
22:32
Speaker 1: get Amber's knife and tells Ritchie she's introducing a new rule,
22:36
Speaker 1: never with the daughter of a serial killer, and stabs
22:39
Speaker 1: him multiple times, shooting him for good measure. Amber runs
22:43
Speaker 1: at them for a final attack, but a shot by
22:44
Speaker 1: Tara the Meeks twins and Terror taking to the hospital.
22:47
Speaker 1: Sam accompanying Tara, Gail decides and not to write about
22:50
Speaker 1: the killers, instead to write a book about Dewey. The
22:53
Speaker 1: movie ends with an anchor reporting on the events outside
22:56
Speaker 1: of the house, just like the first one did. And
22:59
Speaker 1: this is one of many, many things where the first
23:02
Speaker 1: one and this one mirror each other. And this is
23:06
Speaker 1: where I say, Okay, now you've got Sam. If she
23:08
Speaker 1: is truly this, you know, if we were watching Criminal Minds,
23:12
Speaker 1: she truly has whatever serial killer jeans, which is kind
23:15
Speaker 1: of what he has. She's been upset with, like I
23:17
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to be this person after stabbing
23:20
Speaker 1: him multiple times. That just opened up the floodgates. So
23:25
Speaker 1: just saying yes, well, it's interesting because as I said,
23:29
Speaker 1: they're they're already making the next one, and the actor
23:31
Speaker 1: who plays Sam said she wants to explore her dark side.
23:37
Speaker 1: So she began, well, exploring that dark side. And we're
23:42
Speaker 1: going to talk about this morning because I know I've
23:43
Speaker 1: said it multiple episodes, but her story mirrors that of
23:47
Speaker 1: Ray from the sequel Chill Tyo of Star Wars, who
23:51
Speaker 1: was Palpatine's granddaughter and had like this, like evil jeens
23:56
Speaker 1: and heavy quotes, but kind of this history and the
24:00
Speaker 1: pressure perhaps hanging over her too become dark and she
24:05
Speaker 1: did it, and I can't wait to talk about That's
24:07
Speaker 1: one of my favorite It's about this whole thing. But
24:08
Speaker 1: first I wanted to talk about trauma because one of
24:11
Speaker 1: the things I know I've said it before, but I
24:13
Speaker 1: watched this movie, the first one way too young. I
24:16
Speaker 1: watched it when I was nine years old, and I
24:17
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it had the soundtrack. I still
24:20
Speaker 1: remember all the songs, and I really loved Sydney, and
24:24
Speaker 1: I love how they have done a good job, in
24:29
Speaker 1: my opinion, with that character, and that she's she's funny
24:33
Speaker 1: and smart and capable, but she has this trauma, Like
24:36
Speaker 1: you see her trauma throughout, and like in the third one,
24:41
Speaker 1: she's working for like she's isolated and she's working for
24:45
Speaker 1: this like mental health hotline. And then the fourth one,
24:49
Speaker 1: she wrote this book out of darkness, and that reminded
24:54
Speaker 1: me of what you were talking about, samanthan that episode
24:56
Speaker 1: we kind of did, which is who makes the money
24:58
Speaker 1: off of these tragedies? Who gets to tell the story?
25:01
Speaker 1: In the fourth one, she says the reason she did
25:05
Speaker 1: it was she was tired of everyone else telling the
25:09
Speaker 1: story um and she wanted to take control. She wanted
25:13
Speaker 1: to feel this semblance of control over it, and then
25:17
Speaker 1: of course on her first on her stuff and whisper
25:19
Speaker 1: on the book tour, someone gets murdered and the whole thing,
25:26
Speaker 1: of course, and Alison Bree is her Asian and that one,
25:29
Speaker 1: by the way, that's funny. I do like talking about
25:33
Speaker 1: the old actors who you were like didn't know at
25:35
Speaker 1: that point in time, and then you come back and
25:36
Speaker 1: revisit and you're like, oh my god, that's so and
25:38
Speaker 1: so and so and so. That's my favorite like game
25:41
Speaker 1: to play with everyone because no one really recognizes and
25:43
Speaker 1: then I'm like, that person, wasn't this that pus wasn't
25:46
Speaker 1: that the being? Like maybe the random character and supernatural
25:49
Speaker 1: that no one else saw was like, they're on fifteen seconds.
25:53
Speaker 1: But I love it, like on them that they made
25:56
Speaker 1: it can confirm Samantha does this. I love it. I
26:14
Speaker 1: was so lucky to watch this in a drive through
26:16
Speaker 1: and just have a wonderful being experience with it. But
26:19
Speaker 1: the newest one starts out with trivia about the Stab movies,
26:22
Speaker 1: because they always opened with like, what's your favorite scary
26:24
Speaker 1: movie and then asking these questions, and this one opens
26:28
Speaker 1: with Stab movie trivia, which is like meta within meta,
26:31
Speaker 1: like it's so and when she's scrolling Terris scrolling through
26:35
Speaker 1: because she's kind of cheating and she's looking on her
26:37
Speaker 1: phone and she's scrolling through the like IMDb page, I
26:39
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, the cast of stabb and it's
26:42
Speaker 1: like Heather Graham and David Shimmer, Luke, right, I remember
26:47
Speaker 1: Luke Wilson and then Jada Pinkett Smith was one of
26:50
Speaker 1: the actual characters and screaming the second one. Correct n't
26:55
Speaker 1: remember all of that. That was that because she was
26:56
Speaker 1: the first death scene. Second one. Yeah, in the second okay, okay, well,
27:02
Speaker 1: like they were the two like just talk the Drew
27:04
Speaker 1: Barry More where they had the big actors and you
27:06
Speaker 1: really think they're going to be a part of the
27:07
Speaker 1: movie and then you're like when yeah, And that's I
27:10
Speaker 1: was thinking about that because we were watching this together
27:14
Speaker 1: and we were talking about how brutal the kills are
27:17
Speaker 1: in this new one. But I was thinking about the
27:19
Speaker 1: first one, and those are pretty brutal, like the way
27:22
Speaker 1: Drew died that you won't But the thing is that
27:26
Speaker 1: they usually like pan away and you hear it more
27:28
Speaker 1: so than anything else. On the newer stuff, they actually
27:31
Speaker 1: show you, like the knife going through, so you're like,
27:35
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, I will say. And
27:38
Speaker 1: then going back to what you're saying about the trauma,
27:40
Speaker 1: I do like the lead up into I Know you again,
27:43
Speaker 1: love Sydney, the character of Sydney, and then the fifth
27:46
Speaker 1: one was a nice like I don't know if it's
27:48
Speaker 1: about out as in like she might pop up, but
27:51
Speaker 1: it's obvious this is no longer her story in that
27:54
Speaker 1: it's kind of where we all are without trauma. Like
27:56
Speaker 1: she definitely went through all of the steps, seeming the um.
28:01
Speaker 1: We never do see how it goes with therapy, but
28:02
Speaker 1: I hope she did. But like just to the point
28:05
Speaker 1: that I like, all right, I'm here, I'm made it,
28:07
Speaker 1: and I'm ready. I will defend who I am and
28:10
Speaker 1: who you are. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah, That's one of
28:13
Speaker 1: the things I loved about it too, because you know,
28:15
Speaker 1: there's all this commentary on franchises and kind of the
28:18
Speaker 1: issue with franchises that we've talked about also a lot
28:21
Speaker 1: where we can't let these characters go. And I even
28:25
Speaker 1: if I love a character, I want them I want
28:28
Speaker 1: them to go be happy. I don't want yes and
28:32
Speaker 1: I but I do love how she came back and
28:34
Speaker 1: she gave advice and she was kind of a steady like, yeah,
28:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here for you, but it's not
28:40
Speaker 1: really like about me, and which I really appreciate. And
28:44
Speaker 1: also I kind of cracked up now knowing that she
28:46
Speaker 1: did marry Mark from the third one, who was a detective.
28:50
Speaker 1: I can just imagine him being like, are you serious
28:53
Speaker 1: You're going back? Stop? Please stop going back? Done this.
29:02
Speaker 1: I can't believe I keep having to tell you. And
29:06
Speaker 1: so I'm yeah, Like you were saying that this is
29:08
Speaker 1: becoming a new franchise ish with the same names. Again,
29:11
Speaker 1: We've seen that with so many others, which is kind
29:14
Speaker 1: of that meta talk within Scream. It was produced by
29:18
Speaker 1: Kevin Williamson in this one as well, so it was
29:20
Speaker 1: the same producer, uh, new directors, obviously new writers. And
29:24
Speaker 1: you were telling me that they did this because they
29:26
Speaker 1: loved Scream, and I I was like, hey, we would like
29:29
Speaker 1: an opportunity to take another shot here, take another stamp.
29:35
Speaker 1: And the fact that Kevin Williamson was like, yeah, I'm
29:37
Speaker 1: cool with it, let's go, and it was like, it's
29:39
Speaker 1: that in memory of West Craven. It was interesting to
29:42
Speaker 1: see that, But yeah, I think it's I can't imagine
29:46
Speaker 1: how this can get stretched out more, but I guess
29:48
Speaker 1: there's been enough time that maybe the newer generation that
29:52
Speaker 1: have never seen Scream, so they're gonna sae a newer
29:54
Speaker 1: version and then go back to the old one. Maybe yeah, yeah,
30:00
Speaker 1: uh maybe I was thinking about that a lot too,
30:04
Speaker 1: because one of the big fall downs with a lot
30:06
Speaker 1: of horror movies when you adapt them to like newer
30:08
Speaker 1: times is we have new technology now and there's like
30:10
Speaker 1: all these things that don't work anymore. They even have
30:13
Speaker 1: a joke about that and screen for like take a
30:15
Speaker 1: drink every time their cell phone mysteriously isn't working, like
30:19
Speaker 1: and yeah, they were huge fans and it this it's
30:24
Speaker 1: so complicated. They walked such a fine line because there's
30:28
Speaker 1: very easily this could have gone wrong, and we've seen
30:31
Speaker 1: that go that way and a lot of franchises actually,
30:34
Speaker 1: but they like wrote this letter to Nev Campbell, like,
30:37
Speaker 1: you know, it meant so much to us, we please
30:38
Speaker 1: come back, because she was kind of like, I think
30:40
Speaker 1: I might be done with this, and we talked about
30:43
Speaker 1: how exhausting it is to be in a horror movie,
30:46
Speaker 1: especially for a lot of these Scream queens or women
30:48
Speaker 1: like it's very physically demanding, and she's been kind of like,
30:51
Speaker 1: I think I might be done with the next one,
30:54
Speaker 1: which they did make room for. As you said, they
30:56
Speaker 1: kind of were like she did her thing, she but
30:59
Speaker 1: she was of a background character in it, right, But yeah,
31:03
Speaker 1: they were huge fans, and that makes the dialogue around
31:06
Speaker 1: toxic fandom. All of them were interesting because the implication
31:11
Speaker 1: is that perhaps they didn't like the formula. Maybe that
31:16
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that at all, but it's just it's hard
31:18
Speaker 1: not to with a movie so meta, right that you're
31:21
Speaker 1: kind of like, which, yes, I know we're going to
31:25
Speaker 1: talk about a little more in a bit, but the
31:27
Speaker 1: whole like is talking about Star Wars fans like I
31:32
Speaker 1: don't know what's happened. I don't I don't know what's happening.
31:34
Speaker 1: And by and by the way, I have been drawn
31:36
Speaker 1: into that a little bit because of you in that
31:39
Speaker 1: I get notifications about argument board. I'm sorry, but I'm like,
31:44
Speaker 1: what is happening? And yeah, you kept explaining it was
31:46
Speaker 1: so excited, you are so excited the face that you
31:49
Speaker 1: would make like do you see curious? I was so God,
31:55
Speaker 1: I'm get excited just thinking about it one thing I
31:57
Speaker 1: did want to talk about, and we've briefly this in
32:00
Speaker 1: the screen Queen's one. There's a lot of in the
32:02
Speaker 1: first one, especially for Sydney, trauma around sex. So that
32:05
Speaker 1: whole thing where with Billy that he's pressuring her to
32:09
Speaker 1: have sex from jump in that movie, and she's very like, no,
32:16
Speaker 1: we shouldn't, and you can tell she's trying, like she
32:19
Speaker 1: feels like she should, that she has to, but she's
32:21
Speaker 1: not comfortable with it. Um. You actually never see her breast,
32:25
Speaker 1: which is a weird thing to talk about, but it's true.
32:28
Speaker 1: And these horror movies often you do. You don't for her,
32:31
Speaker 1: she flashes him, we just don't see it. Yeah, we
32:33
Speaker 1: don't see it. But and I find that like the
32:36
Speaker 1: whole conversation around her mother being this slut and therefore
32:41
Speaker 1: I guess deserve to die in the opinion of a
32:43
Speaker 1: lot of people. And then she's taking that in and
32:48
Speaker 1: seeing like her mother died and people are saying like, oh,
32:52
Speaker 1: she was for amiscuous, and her having this trauma around
32:56
Speaker 1: that and then sort of being shamed for that like
33:00
Speaker 1: having can't you get over it? Like don't you want this? Um?
33:05
Speaker 1: Stop being so controlling? Take off your chastity belt. He
33:09
Speaker 1: says something like that, which is just odd. It feels so,
33:16
Speaker 1: I mean, these are very they're making a commentary ont
33:20
Speaker 1: of things, but always they're just kind of like a
33:21
Speaker 1: funny slasher movie. They're like, they're not super deep, but
33:25
Speaker 1: that feels very If she was this her mother had
33:29
Speaker 1: died and it became this like national story. She's being
33:34
Speaker 1: treated in these movies as if she is a character
33:37
Speaker 1: of celebrity that you just like people feel like they
33:41
Speaker 1: can talk to her in any type of way or
33:43
Speaker 1: treat her any type of way, which is pretty messed up,
33:46
Speaker 1: and that would really mess with your head, I can imagine,
33:49
Speaker 1: right right. I mean that's what we talked about again
33:51
Speaker 1: with the two Crimes, like when we see the stories
33:53
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, you start seeing them as
33:56
Speaker 1: a character instead of real people. And then going through that,
34:00
Speaker 1: of course Sydney is a character. Does a hold different
34:03
Speaker 1: thing again Beta, But it is that conversation and I'm
34:06
Speaker 1: really and I'm guessing that was part again about the
34:08
Speaker 1: commentary of people's need for true crime, yeah, and celebrating it,
34:13
Speaker 1: which is the weird party line. Yeah, And I mean,
34:16
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen these movies like the stab movies.
34:19
Speaker 1: Within them, people like decorate, they have like rocky horror
34:24
Speaker 1: movie level audiences for it. They have stabb Athon and
34:28
Speaker 1: the fourth one like these big things and you know,
34:31
Speaker 1: just for a pretty tragic experience that people are treating
34:35
Speaker 1: as entertainment um, which is kind of the whole thing
34:39
Speaker 1: in this one, where the killers were like, we don't
34:42
Speaker 1: like what stabb eight, dude, so we're going to create
34:45
Speaker 1: something better. And so it's like marring that line between
34:49
Speaker 1: life and art. And they have a whole conversation about
34:51
Speaker 1: that in the second one, because usually I think in
34:55
Speaker 1: everyone there's a killer, except maybe the third one, there's
34:59
Speaker 1: a killer that's doing it for like the art of it,
35:02
Speaker 1: a movie, part of it are the fame of it,
35:05
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I do think there's an interesting thing
35:09
Speaker 1: around women survivors in these because Sydney and Gail make
35:18
Speaker 1: it through all of them. At the end of this
35:20
Speaker 1: new one, all the people that they show that are
35:24
Speaker 1: still standing because other people did survive, but they're still
35:27
Speaker 1: standing our women. And I was thinking about this because
35:29
Speaker 1: I read an interesting statistic that kind of surprised me
35:31
Speaker 1: that actually more men get killed and slasher movies which
35:36
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like my experience. But maybe I don't watch
35:40
Speaker 1: that many slasher movies honestly, and there's so I like.
35:43
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wonder it's because the main victims, as
35:46
Speaker 1: you we talk about when vital girls have to be women.
35:49
Speaker 1: So if she's slutty or she's perceived to be slutty,
35:52
Speaker 1: she has to have a lot of extra men around
35:53
Speaker 1: that get killed in our disposable. So if that's the case,
35:57
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of it. I think also
35:59
Speaker 1: you can always the argument there and more men around.
36:03
Speaker 1: But like in the fourth one, I could be wrong,
36:06
Speaker 1: but I feel like like two of the the people
36:09
Speaker 1: who died for men and everyone else was women. It
36:12
Speaker 1: was I mean, I don't know. That's just something that's
36:15
Speaker 1: been in my head because I kind of didn't. I
36:17
Speaker 1: was kind of shocked by that. Um. I did like
36:19
Speaker 1: the the and the newest one, like Sydney being the expert.
36:25
Speaker 1: There's a lot of jokes about her being the original.
36:28
Speaker 1: You don't with the original and her still being pretty.
36:33
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of like her grounded nous
36:37
Speaker 1: about it, almost like she's still open and she's still
36:40
Speaker 1: trying to help people and comfort people. But she's also
36:43
Speaker 1: clearly tired of it, like I don't know, you know,
36:46
Speaker 1: like I said, like it just became like, oh this again,
36:49
Speaker 1: I've went to this. I'm good, right, right, and then
36:54
Speaker 1: we've already kind of mentioned this. But I find it
36:57
Speaker 1: really fascinating that these movies were the killings in these
37:03
Speaker 1: movies were essentially kicked off by the idea that her
37:05
Speaker 1: mom was a slut, right when we talked about this,
37:08
Speaker 1: when we were talking about mothers in general. When it
37:11
Speaker 1: comes to horror and any of that genre's always whether
37:15
Speaker 1: it's protecting someone or they did something wrong, or they
37:17
Speaker 1: curse the families somehow, and it's always the evil thing
37:21
Speaker 1: is the mother or began by the mother, which again
37:24
Speaker 1: you've not been talking about. That's a theme all around,
37:27
Speaker 1: whether it is a horror movie or not. And the
37:29
Speaker 1: stronghold of the mother being the basis of whatever either
37:33
Speaker 1: trauma or whatever incident or whatever is the next plot
37:37
Speaker 1: line to come through, which is interesting. Yeah, yeah, because like,
37:42
Speaker 1: not only do you have you have Sydney's mom, Maureen,
37:45
Speaker 1: who went to Hollywood before all of this happens, went
37:51
Speaker 1: to like this room where essentially she got sexually assaulted
37:54
Speaker 1: by big producers in Hollywood. Then, in the words of
37:59
Speaker 1: the killer and the third one, who was her son,
38:01
Speaker 1: that made her a slut, didn't it, And therefore she
38:06
Speaker 1: was sleeping around in Woodsboro, including with Billy's dad, and
38:12
Speaker 1: that set off what was it nine serial killers I
38:15
Speaker 1: was counting last night. I think it's nine. A lot
38:18
Speaker 1: of serial killers for this one event um, and they're
38:23
Speaker 1: all kind of it all comes back to her mom
38:26
Speaker 1: in heavy quotes, being a slut, which again it seems
38:30
Speaker 1: like there were a lot of men to blame this formula, right,
38:33
Speaker 1: but we don't. We don't acknowledge that. No, No, it's
38:37
Speaker 1: her fault. And then in the second one, like the Killers,
38:41
Speaker 1: Billy loomis his mom, as I said, and she even
38:44
Speaker 1: says it's always blamed the mother. It's always about blaming
38:48
Speaker 1: the mother. And then Sydney's like, well, you literally killing
38:54
Speaker 1: me trying to kill me now, so if you hadn't
38:57
Speaker 1: been doing that, maybe, yeah, I had an argument. Yeah,
39:04
Speaker 1: But and again we're gonna come back to this. It's
39:09
Speaker 1: it's weird because, like I said, Scream three I think
39:12
Speaker 1: is all about Harvey Weinstein. And so if you'd like
39:14
Speaker 1: take the meadow one step further, it's like this whole
39:17
Speaker 1: thing was started by him. Oh okay anyway. Then there
39:23
Speaker 1: are the rules, which is always a key part a
39:26
Speaker 1: hit in in these movies. I love all of the
39:29
Speaker 1: rules laying down the rules scenes. So the old rules
39:32
Speaker 1: were very like no sexo drugs, no alcohol, don't say
39:36
Speaker 1: I'll be back, And it does feel it's very moralistic
39:39
Speaker 1: and it's very especially for like I feel like, for women,
39:42
Speaker 1: is the having sex one. Specifically, I could be wrong,
39:46
Speaker 1: but I feel like generally it's sort of you just
39:48
Speaker 1: like women, you don't have sex, you stay virginal, so
39:52
Speaker 1: you might be able to be this final girl character.
39:54
Speaker 1: And then in the new one, there's a lot of
39:56
Speaker 1: commentary when it comes to the new rules. There's a
39:59
Speaker 1: lot of commentary around fandom an elevated horror, and it
40:03
Speaker 1: feels less I don't know, it feels less moralistic and
40:08
Speaker 1: more like fan culture commentary to me. Um. There is
40:14
Speaker 1: a weird line in the fourth one where they're like,
40:16
Speaker 1: if you're gay, you will survive, and I was like,
40:18
Speaker 1: what I don't know about that? Is it because the
40:22
Speaker 1: queer community have been excluded from this genre in general,
40:26
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I'm very I feel like,
40:30
Speaker 1: even if I don't watch a lot of horror, a
40:32
Speaker 1: lot of slashers, I'm very I know a lot of
40:34
Speaker 1: the horror lingo with tropes. I wasn't sure what they were.
40:39
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's something they're referring to, whether it's like
40:42
Speaker 1: whether it stands up or not. I'm sure there's an
40:44
Speaker 1: actual thing, but yeah, maybe it is that. Maybe it's
40:47
Speaker 1: just there haven't been queer characters so right, but then
40:50
Speaker 1: their caricatures and kind of dismissed that with a guy
40:56
Speaker 1: right before he dies in the fourth when it's like,
40:58
Speaker 1: but I'm gay, the killer kills him anyway, So you
41:03
Speaker 1: really want me to watch the fourth one? Huh? Yes?
41:07
Speaker 1: Only once. Um. Something else I've noticed in watching these
41:15
Speaker 1: is there's always a creepy boyfriend character who's acting stalkery
41:20
Speaker 1: to one of the female victims, like can everyone there's
41:23
Speaker 1: a character where she's like, Oh, it's Ted again, isn't it?
41:26
Speaker 1: Or Oh it's West again, isn't it? And like that's
41:29
Speaker 1: one of the ways they build up that it could
41:31
Speaker 1: be anybody. Everybody's a suspect. But I do think it's
41:34
Speaker 1: like interesting and kind of upsetting again that this is
41:37
Speaker 1: something we sort of accepted the reality that a woman
41:41
Speaker 1: would have kind of the stalker boyfriend that people are like,
41:45
Speaker 1: it's probably him. Yeah. And there's one line from the
41:50
Speaker 1: new one that stuck out to me where the killer
41:52
Speaker 1: Ritchie is sort of commenting on that, and he's commenting
41:55
Speaker 1: on the new the new rules, and he says, I
41:58
Speaker 1: guess being a sexually of alable woman is supposed to
42:01
Speaker 1: be empowering these days, which he is a really toxic
42:04
Speaker 1: fanboy he is. But by the way, I had to
42:08
Speaker 1: point out to you that this was Dennis Quaid, and
42:12
Speaker 1: again with your your little triviy a bit, I was like, um,
42:19
Speaker 1: there's definitely some able is um going on, and all
42:21
Speaker 1: of them, whether it's like especially around mental health, because
42:27
Speaker 1: I feel like every one of them has a killer
42:31
Speaker 1: who is in heavy quotes, mentally unstable. And then in
42:35
Speaker 1: this new one, which I find horror movies do this
42:37
Speaker 1: a lot, they have this red herring of oh, she's
42:40
Speaker 1: taking pills, this might be her, which is already like
42:46
Speaker 1: mental health already has a hugest go on it and
42:48
Speaker 1: not helping. Yeah, and then something else I've been thinking on.
42:54
Speaker 1: I've thought about this a lot because Gail is a
42:57
Speaker 1: very ambitious woman. She's very very ambitious. It is painted
43:03
Speaker 1: like she's kind of a cold ice cream and it's
43:06
Speaker 1: a weird thing because she kind of is, but also
43:10
Speaker 1: like she's an ambitious woman and she really goes far.
43:15
Speaker 1: Like in this new one, she's in New York, she's
43:16
Speaker 1: working on Good Morning America. She really made it, and
43:19
Speaker 1: you know, the implication is she lost kind of these
43:22
Speaker 1: personal connections. But then it's revealed who he is, the
43:24
Speaker 1: one that left her because he couldn't handle New York
43:29
Speaker 1: and couldn't support her and had to come back to Woodsboro.
43:32
Speaker 1: So I just think that's sort of an interesting part
43:35
Speaker 1: of that too. I don't feel like she's I don't know,
43:37
Speaker 1: maybe that's a personal thing. I don't feel like she's villainized. No,
43:41
Speaker 1: I agree with you as a person who was outside
43:42
Speaker 1: of this frame and when you were the original take
43:44
Speaker 1: of who Gil was. Even Like in the second one,
43:47
Speaker 1: you know, she's building up money and being kind of
43:50
Speaker 1: seen as an icon whatever, but this one she just
43:53
Speaker 1: kind of just is like she's maintained her space. So
43:56
Speaker 1: just sounding like the same Sydney. All of them have
43:58
Speaker 1: grown up, figured out the themselves and what they wanted
44:01
Speaker 1: and gotten to a point that they're happy or at
44:03
Speaker 1: least content, uh, and satisfied with what they had. H
44:07
Speaker 1: The one thing we find out is, yes, Dewey is
44:10
Speaker 1: the most unsatisfied. There's so many things that happened with him,
44:13
Speaker 1: and he just felt like he couldn't be what she
44:17
Speaker 1: needed that point, which could be a conversation about male fragility.
44:21
Speaker 1: And he's just to the point that he had to
44:22
Speaker 1: prove himself by killing himself as a hero, Like that's
44:25
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Like, hmm, Philip, that's a commentary in it,
44:28
Speaker 1: but what the whatnot? Um? And then yeah, like having
44:31
Speaker 1: her come in and be like, I don't need this anymore.
44:33
Speaker 1: But it took her a long time, and it took
44:35
Speaker 1: her to the point of being the white female who
44:37
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but I did get to use it
44:39
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I'm okay, now I don't
44:41
Speaker 1: have to. Yeah. I mean, she's certainly there are things
44:44
Speaker 1: she did that we're not great. I'm not saying that
44:46
Speaker 1: at all. Like she Sydney story, she definitely was like
44:50
Speaker 1: use Dewey story kind of her feelings by writing about
44:54
Speaker 1: MSP was real bad, which he was kind of in
44:56
Speaker 1: her sister. I think they did a good job at
45:00
Speaker 1: making her complex. I guess like she had these flaws,
45:04
Speaker 1: and she also had growth like a she and she
45:06
Speaker 1: said like we could make it work. We could have
45:08
Speaker 1: done it. You didn't have to leave, like so I
45:11
Speaker 1: thought that was good. And also I'd like I like
45:12
Speaker 1: seeing the evolution of the relationship between her and Sydney,
45:16
Speaker 1: which started out very antagonistic and very cat fight e
45:19
Speaker 1: into like a friendship, um and like a mutual respect.
45:36
Speaker 1: Also there's the theme of not believing women. I know
45:38
Speaker 1: I've talked about it a million times, but in the
45:40
Speaker 1: second one when she plays Cassandra and she has that
45:42
Speaker 1: whole thing, which if you don't know Cassandra's character, who's
45:45
Speaker 1: like cursed to see that doom was coming and no
45:48
Speaker 1: one would believe her. Um. But that's that's prevalent throughout,
45:54
Speaker 1: especially like after people think Sydney so traumatized, often they
45:58
Speaker 1: just dismissed her like you've been throughing lot, where she's like, yes,
46:05
Speaker 1: I happened to a lot and I know what this is. Um.
46:09
Speaker 1: So that's throughout. And then I really like the how
46:13
Speaker 1: it turned out between Tara and Samantha and the new
46:16
Speaker 1: one where they were kind of playing at maybe Tar
46:18
Speaker 1: as the killer, and then they have that scene more
46:21
Speaker 1: Samantha like hesitates and untying her, but then she did
46:24
Speaker 1: and they kind of rebuild their their sisterhood and their relationships.
46:28
Speaker 1: So I really liked that they did that. And then, yes,
46:31
Speaker 1: toxic fandom, So almost every movie has a fan of
46:38
Speaker 1: horror movies that is the Killer and perhaps particularly as
46:41
Speaker 1: a fan of the Stab movies. And yeah, there there
46:44
Speaker 1: are a lot of references throughout to to horror movies
46:48
Speaker 1: and horror movies that they love. And there's a line
46:50
Speaker 1: in this new one where the Killer Richie says, how
46:53
Speaker 1: can fandom be toxic? It's about love? Meanwhile, they're like
46:57
Speaker 1: killing people, right, Yeah, so that might be toxic right there. Right,
47:04
Speaker 1: But as you said, Samantha was very very excited about
47:07
Speaker 1: this whole Mary Sue star Wars connection because they are.
47:11
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a pretty pointed commentary about Star
47:15
Speaker 1: Wars fandom and Star Wars fans, especially after the last
47:18
Speaker 1: Jedi Um and Ryan Johnson I keep saying going back
47:21
Speaker 1: forth between Ryan and Ring and I apologize. Um. He
47:24
Speaker 1: even commented on it in Knives Out. It was it
47:26
Speaker 1: was such a huge thing, which again he directed the
47:30
Speaker 1: Last Jedi and her. That's why I was happy when
47:35
Speaker 1: he I found out he was in it, which to
47:37
Speaker 1: me means he must have co side like they asked him.
47:40
Speaker 1: He co signed on it. He was on board because
47:42
Speaker 1: there's a joke in there where Randy's niece Mindy makes
47:48
Speaker 1: fun of Live for liking the eighth Stab because it
47:50
Speaker 1: means you have no taste. So I was confused. I
47:53
Speaker 1: was like, well, wait, what are we saying? Do you
47:57
Speaker 1: hate the Last Jedi? Do you like the literal? Only
48:00
Speaker 1: went back and said, wait, I can't. I can't tell
48:03
Speaker 1: that for like being real and really actually mad or
48:07
Speaker 1: are they just joking? What is happening? Is this tongue
48:10
Speaker 1: in cheque or not offended or not embroiled? I was
48:15
Speaker 1: so so confused. Um so, the fact that he's involved
48:20
Speaker 1: makes me think that at least it was self aware
48:24
Speaker 1: that you know. The toxic fandom backlash to that was terrible,
48:28
Speaker 1: It was awful, and it controlled what happened. It actually
48:31
Speaker 1: did influence what happened in the next Star Wars movie,
48:34
Speaker 1: which a lot of people are, including me, say, it
48:37
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense based on what you did in the
48:39
Speaker 1: last Jedi, like they completely because the backlash was so strong,
48:43
Speaker 1: they did something completely different, right, which is what they're
48:46
Speaker 1: talking about in this with the hated stabb Ei. So
48:50
Speaker 1: they were trying to make what is that? What did
48:54
Speaker 1: they call this? This is a recal recal? Yes, they
48:58
Speaker 1: wanted to make a recal. But I do love that
49:02
Speaker 1: Savantha's character echoes Rai's character from Star Wars and Ray. Yeah,
49:08
Speaker 1: she has this like evil thing they reveal, which everybody,
49:12
Speaker 1: pretty much everyone hated. I won't say everybody, but pretty
49:16
Speaker 1: much everyone hated. And then that Palpatine was her grandfather
49:20
Speaker 1: or uncle. Oh, I could get into that, but it's
49:23
Speaker 1: very complicated. Um well, can I just put in here?
49:26
Speaker 1: Every time I heard them say hello Samantha in the
49:29
Speaker 1: little phone call, I was like, Nope, not a fan
49:31
Speaker 1: of that. Don't like that at all, I know, and
49:35
Speaker 1: I was like, what could I use this hard? I
49:37
Speaker 1: would never do it because they always do that in
49:38
Speaker 1: the movie and then they get killed, So I would
49:40
Speaker 1: never You would be the one killed or me. It
49:44
Speaker 1: would be me. No, you would die and then I
49:47
Speaker 1: would think you were pranking me because I had pranked you,
49:50
Speaker 1: and then I would die happen. It would be good.
49:53
Speaker 1: Let's not have us. Let's not have this. Not that
49:55
Speaker 1: I would want any other way, would still let's not
49:57
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, but I do love. I love at
50:00
Speaker 1: the end when she's like never with the daughter of
50:02
Speaker 1: a serial killer. That's kind of like it felt to
50:05
Speaker 1: me like saying two Star Wars fans like, hey, Ray
50:10
Speaker 1: could have gone a whole different way, you guys, like
50:12
Speaker 1: she could have killed everybody. Kind of it felt like
50:17
Speaker 1: a weird, cathartic way of giving Ray a moment to
50:21
Speaker 1: just break down and lose it. Um, this could just
50:25
Speaker 1: be be being a Star Wars fan, but I think
50:27
Speaker 1: that they kind of were leaning into that, like like
50:31
Speaker 1: this calmed down, this has gone a whole different way. Yes, Yes,
50:36
Speaker 1: And then I'm not going to go too deep into
50:38
Speaker 1: this right now because I think I would like to
50:40
Speaker 1: do a whole episode on this. Um on the portrayal
50:43
Speaker 1: of women villains, and I was just I was kind
50:47
Speaker 1: of like trying to go through all the killers because
50:49
Speaker 1: there's have been three women who are killers and knees,
50:54
Speaker 1: and I was trying to see if there was any
50:56
Speaker 1: big difference between when they when a woman it's the
51:00
Speaker 1: killer versus a man, and I was like, I feel
51:03
Speaker 1: like they're more kind of emotional relationship based. But that's
51:05
Speaker 1: that didn't turn out to be true really, so I'm
51:07
Speaker 1: still thinking on it. But I do have a lot
51:09
Speaker 1: of thoughts about women who are killers, but also in
51:11
Speaker 1: these kind of not just horror movies, but in movies
51:15
Speaker 1: when a woman is in any way annoying or a
51:20
Speaker 1: killer or annoying but any like anything we don't like
51:23
Speaker 1: about her. She doesn't have enough depth really that we're
51:26
Speaker 1: very like gleeful when she dies, and usually the death
51:30
Speaker 1: is more violent and dramatic. Um. Because so you haven't
51:35
Speaker 1: seen the fourth one, but alson Breeze sort of similar,
51:37
Speaker 1: like she's really annoying. Um, she's not the killer, but
51:40
Speaker 1: like when she dies, it's sort of like right like um.
51:46
Speaker 1: And that's again, that's a wider issue than just these
51:48
Speaker 1: movies and just horror that like Draastic World, when the
51:51
Speaker 1: woman who's taking care of your kids, that that's my
51:53
Speaker 1: favorite example. This is too much like she was. It's fine,
51:57
Speaker 1: she had a right to be a little annoyed by this.
52:00
Speaker 1: I will say I am that person to be like, Okay,
52:02
Speaker 1: you did that stupid thing, you deserted I I did
52:04
Speaker 1: that with a dude who was the twin dude who
52:07
Speaker 1: was following her phone. I'm like, you're going into the bushes,
52:10
Speaker 1: You're gonna get cut there. It goes like he survived,
52:15
Speaker 1: but I was still like, come on, y'all, come on,
52:18
Speaker 1: don't do this. Did you build at any point? This
52:20
Speaker 1: is just a random question that because for a minute
52:22
Speaker 1: it makes you think the Amber is in love with Tara,
52:26
Speaker 1: that that it was a bit queer baby was that me?
52:28
Speaker 1: And because like there's definitely there is a little bit
52:30
Speaker 1: of like queer relationships. The twin sister obviously has an interest,
52:35
Speaker 1: uh with that girl on the couch. They talked about
52:37
Speaker 1: they're gonna make out any moment, which is fine, but
52:40
Speaker 1: it felt why did they lean that way to make
52:43
Speaker 1: her like? Was it to make you be unsuspecting so
52:47
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't think that was her? But I figured
52:49
Speaker 1: it out all that to say, um that it wasn't her?
52:52
Speaker 1: Or was that was that just like an unnecessarily throw in.
52:57
Speaker 1: I I picked up on that too, I thought, and
53:02
Speaker 1: I thought about that because I was like, were they
53:04
Speaker 1: trying to imply she was like this really possessive perhaps
53:09
Speaker 1: in love with Terra friend or is it more like
53:13
Speaker 1: she just really was there when Sam left and has
53:19
Speaker 1: been kind of like really didn't like her, right, So
53:22
Speaker 1: I definitely see that, and I think her character throughout
53:26
Speaker 1: has moments where you're sort of like, huh I because
53:31
Speaker 1: she was a throw in. That was what threw me
53:33
Speaker 1: office because what we didn't talk about earlier and the
53:35
Speaker 1: plot was that she had discovered that she was living
53:38
Speaker 1: in Stu Mocker's home, and then that pushed her into
53:42
Speaker 1: researching all the Stab stuff and falling in to an
53:45
Speaker 1: obsession to it, and that's why how she met uh
53:49
Speaker 1: Richie was trying to research everything and really getting caught
53:52
Speaker 1: up in it. But then like, yeah, the other part
53:55
Speaker 1: is that. But the friendship was obviously real because that
53:58
Speaker 1: was one of the longest last thing friendship. I don't
54:00
Speaker 1: even the twins were really involved as much as much
54:03
Speaker 1: as Amber was, because the twins didn't really know the
54:06
Speaker 1: backstory of why Sam left or what happened between Sam
54:09
Speaker 1: and Tara. But Amber d yeah, I well, this is
54:13
Speaker 1: something else I want to talk about when we have
54:15
Speaker 1: whenever we do our women villains. One is I think
54:18
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times the woman who's the villain.
54:23
Speaker 1: It's sort of the like support to the male villain,
54:26
Speaker 1: but that's not the case in the second one at all.
54:27
Speaker 1: But like, I think there's a power elements that she
54:31
Speaker 1: really enjoyed. And I feel like, you know a lot
54:33
Speaker 1: of these movies and like my skin is crawling just
54:35
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But like there's a power element to
54:38
Speaker 1: playing people um like they don't know what to you.
54:41
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha ha. So I felt like she was
54:43
Speaker 1: sort of leaning into that. But it does like in
54:47
Speaker 1: the last one, the killer is one of Sydney's cousins,
54:50
Speaker 1: as I said, and her alibi is like the one
54:52
Speaker 1: I hate the most where it's like I want to
54:55
Speaker 1: be the new Sydney. But it's kind of that thing
54:59
Speaker 1: where yeah, it both of them. It felt sort of
55:02
Speaker 1: like you're really throwing out under this woman under the
55:06
Speaker 1: bus you purportedly care about, right. That was the whole
55:12
Speaker 1: thing to that too, like his age. And I know
55:15
Speaker 1: this is just me, but I cannot handle watching inappropriate
55:20
Speaker 1: ages being cooked together and I hate it. I actually
55:23
Speaker 1: will go to the depth of finding out their real
55:26
Speaker 1: ages to make sure it was appropriate. Like it just
55:29
Speaker 1: gets underneath my skin so badly because she's supposed to
55:32
Speaker 1: be a teenager sixteen, maybe right in high school. It
55:36
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like like they're too much older. They're still
55:39
Speaker 1: in high school obviously, and in my head it was
55:41
Speaker 1: like sixteen, maybe seventeen, and then he's supposed to be
55:44
Speaker 1: in college, if not out of college, and they hooked up,
55:47
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's a lot to this. I don't
55:49
Speaker 1: like this makes mine And maybe I'm also at the
55:52
Speaker 1: age of like, if I watch any romance scenes with
55:55
Speaker 1: kids under like twenty, I immediately like, no, uncomfortable because
55:59
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be watching this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know,
56:05
Speaker 1: made anybody under thirty. I'll have to rewatch because I
56:09
Speaker 1: kind of was like, they have a weird thing going on,
56:11
Speaker 1: but there's no the no like physical romance happening. For sure.
56:18
Speaker 1: They yell at each other saying yeah, baby, are you okay?
56:20
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Baby? Like they obviously though I don't know,
56:28
Speaker 1: maybe I was supposed to be the conversation too, I
56:30
Speaker 1: don't know, but it was just it just made me
56:32
Speaker 1: like really unsettled. Was like not a fan, not a fan? Well,
56:35
Speaker 1: I mean that's also like a throwback to Samantha's mom
56:39
Speaker 1: presumably was much older than Billy Lumos, but I don't know.
56:43
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then very briefly, I did mention
56:46
Speaker 1: that the first four films are executive produced by Harvey Weinstein,
56:50
Speaker 1: and after all the sexual allegations against him and the
56:52
Speaker 1: closure of the Weinstein Company, Spyglass Media Group purchased the
56:55
Speaker 1: rights to the franchise, promising to never make another. UM
56:59
Speaker 1: That lasted for all of one year and then they
57:00
Speaker 1: changed their mind. Um. Interestingly, Harvey Weinstein wanted them to
57:04
Speaker 1: make the fifth one and end it prior to all
57:06
Speaker 1: the stuff coming out about him. And that kind of
57:08
Speaker 1: surprised me because I would be like, after the third
57:10
Speaker 1: one maybe, but I guess he was very comfortable and
57:15
Speaker 1: that he could continue to get away with things. But
57:17
Speaker 1: you know, we've we talked about that on the screen.
57:19
Speaker 1: Queen's one is Rose McGowan a year later is when
57:22
Speaker 1: she alleged she was raped by him. And then the
57:26
Speaker 1: whole thing with the third one, and I know some
57:28
Speaker 1: of the cast and crew have spoken out about it.
57:31
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, that's the whole thing too, when it
57:34
Speaker 1: comes to the metal part and of these movies, and
57:39
Speaker 1: like having that in the back of your head when
57:41
Speaker 1: you're watching, especially the third one, but all of them. Right.
57:46
Speaker 1: Oh well, uh that was man. I had a good time,
57:50
Speaker 1: good good Yeah. You were so excited and I was,
57:56
Speaker 1: and I could keep going and going, but it's already
57:57
Speaker 1: too long, so I recommend it. If you haven't seen it.
58:02
Speaker 1: I know slasher movies aren't for everybody, so I understand that,
58:04
Speaker 1: but if you're in any way interested, I recommend it.
58:07
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