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205 | Wrestlemania 14 - Part 2 · The ExtraCooler Show

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  Welcome to the Western show. You continue to talk like you're
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  talking right now. You'll be history on this
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  Every time I see you, old lady. I'm going to kick.
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  Her on those boys. Let's go.
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  I've got Under your skin. I'm ready for this episode now.
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  Yeah. Welcome back to Part 2 of our
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  interview with Tom Brandy. No, sorry, I had to meant keep
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  the Tom Brandy streak alive, guys.
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  We missed it last episode. So no, there's no Tom Brandy
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  involved in this episode. We're back.
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  Welcome to the extra cooler show.
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  The Survivor Series team is here for Part 2 of WrestleMania 14.
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  My name's Nick, otherwise known as Extra Cooler, and I've got
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  Matt, Mike, and Jim with me as usual.
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  You can find us on Instagram at Extra Cooler and at the Extra
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  Cooler show. Join us over in our Discord
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  channel where you can listen to us complain about all things WWE
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  right now. Rightfully so, but we won't.
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  That's not why we're here. That's not why we're here.
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  I know it's tempting. It's very tempting.
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  But do we have housekeeping? We do have housekeeping.
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  All right, I'm gonna throw it right to you.
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  Well, I'm not. It's enough and it's time.
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  For housekeeping. So we are coming out of part one
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  of my favorite episode of the year when we go through A2
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  parter of WrestleMania this year, WrestleMania 14, if you
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  haven't figured that out by the little thumbnail of the cover
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  art here, but welcome back. Last week we talked about Triple
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  H and in particular was this the first time that he came down to
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  the DX theme by himself? So there was no Shawn Michaels
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  joining him? It wasn't the group, the full DX
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  coming down, which what I could find.
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  I didn't do a full deep dive. I didn't confirm this, so
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  correct me if I'm wrong, but the first time that Break It Down
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  debuted was Raw November 10th 1997, but that was as a full
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  group. And what I found was the first
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  time that Triple H used his that his first televised solo
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  entrance to the DX theme song was April 27th 1998.
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  So right, right around this time.
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  No, that's that's that's saying it's.
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  After this right? This had to have been the first
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  time. Yeah, interesting putting it all
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  together right now, but that was almost a month after this.
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  This is lint and it was supposedly on Raw is War.
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  So yeah, again, I didn't do a deep dive.
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  I didn't confirm this. I'm confirming it as we are
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  speaking right now. But that doesn't make sense in
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  any way, shape or form. So thanks, Jim and I.
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  There you go. That's what happens when you use
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  a But he was on the shelf for a minute too.
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  He had the crutches. Correct me if I'm wrong to it
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  makes sense, but just to go back for one second and Tom Brandy,
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  I'm sorry. Finally, did your homework.
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  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Are you sure he wasn't in a dark
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  match on this in this card? If he was, we didn't cover it,
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  nor did I desire to to look it up.
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  Sorry, and also we that was different music again for the
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  second consecutive week, just so you know, used right, used the
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  other replacement music. It wasn't I think we can, you
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  know, run down discord. I think people are going to
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  question that we just use two different ones, right?
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  I don't even know. No, it's definitely, it's
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  definitely different, this one. I did not change anything.
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  It's whatever was loaded from last week, so you.
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  Know last week he loaded the wrong one, the EO Snap version
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  that nobody's heard. But we never played it and we
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  never recorded it, switched it last minute.
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  I wonder if we'll get nabbed for the 1.7 the DX music at the end
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  sneak. That in there.
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  And then the other piece that we were talking about from from
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  Part 1 of WrestleMania 14 was was the gold dust face paint,
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  which would look like a red face with a big black X across the
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  front of it. It didn't have anything to do
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  with Dxi could not find any reference, any connection,
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  anything like that. So this one is kind of up in the
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  air. AI told me that it said Mero on
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  his face, which is bullshit. That's not real either.
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  So you can dump AI in every way shape, Yeah.
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  That's like 6. It's like 6 fingers, you know,
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  in the art. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Didn't say Mero. We can read.
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  Yeah, Mero, clearly. Said FU.
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  Yeah, although it does have a little bit of the like Luna
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  Vashon kind of like it does me kind of look on the side too.
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  So I did enjoy that part, but yeah, I didn't, I didn't find
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  anything on on Gold Dust Facebook.
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  Tell friggin Gemini next time to do an impression of the Sable
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  entrance music and see what comes out.
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  It's going to be some bastard version of the The Nick please.
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  Oh. God is that it for housekeeping
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  that? Is it?
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  That's pretty. Light.
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  Pretty light. I like it.
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  Yeah, I know. All right, so we're here for
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  WrestleMania 14. This is Part 2.
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  If you didn't listen to it, go back, check out the first five
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  matches on the card. This is takes place March 29th,
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  1998 from Boston, MA at the Fleet Center.
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  And we're diving right back into things with Cactus Jack and
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  Chainsaw Charlie. The tag team, I'm sorry, facing
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  off against the tag team champions, the New Age Outlaws.
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  This is a dumpster match for the tag team championship and things
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  start off with refs rolling out a dumpster match.
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  This is the first ever dumpster match and I believe the only or
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  you never know, there was probably some sort of other.
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  One down the line. Maybe on raw or something,
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  right? Don't.
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  Ask. Don't ask, AI don't ask.
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  I'm not gonna tell. It's that like Logan and Papa
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  Shango fought in a dumpster man and Tom Brandy was a special
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  guest referee. Boom, Look at.
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  That I'm assuming anybody that's listening knows that this is
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  like a coffin match. The the team needs to be placed
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  into the dumpster and the lids need to be closed for it to end.
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  So it's pretty interesting. We're going to dive right in
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  because Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie are out first.
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  Banger music. Banger Elite.
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  Elite yes, speak there's attitude era obviously is elite,
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  but like you, in my opinion, you take this, you take DX theme,
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  not by the house band or Stone colds that those are all like
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  top 10. Wrestling this era this era has
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  really good entrance themes. I would say like.
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  Even shamrocks was the was the top shelf.
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  Ken Shamrocks is great as well. Yeah, I've, I've professed my
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  love for the new Blackjacks theme even.
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  I mean, we're talking about like, plus players, right?
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  Matt, you were going to say something.
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  I was going to do a little bit of in moment housekeeping here.
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  King of the Ring in 2000 had a handicap tables dumpster match
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  with Tori Rd. Dog and Xbox defeating the
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  Dudley Boys, Bubba. And then there was also there
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  was also another dumpster match in 2017 with Braun Stroman and
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  Callisto on Monday Night Raw. So there's that.
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  I I hate thinking about going from DX on this car to Tori X5
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  Road dog that is that's all from Grace.
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  Yeah, DX only two years. Wow.
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  Yeah, it's just like the end of the Old Man, just not as messy.
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  But I'm sure you noticed it right off the bat.
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  Chainsaw Charlie is not Chainsaw Charlie anymore.
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  He's Terry Funk. He's.
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  No body stocking. Yeah, nothing covered.
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  In the face. He's got the Funk U shirt on and
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  he's dressed like Terry Funk. And they they referenced it too.
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  Reference it. Jr. is calling him Funk
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  throughout the entire. Yeah, they, they, I think the
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  idea was basically that, you know, they got, this is all
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  brought about by them getting pushed off the raw stage in the
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  dumpster. So I think the idea was that
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  they kind of killed off Terry Chainsaw Charlie and now we've
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  got Terry Funk. But the original idea for this
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  match was a barbed wire match, but that got shot down and then
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  outcomes New age outlaws. And in my opinion, Oh, you
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  didn't know was not played out at the time.
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  These guys still have a ton of heat.
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  This is when they're like they're they're appealing to me.
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  Like you watch it back and you're like I, I know they
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  flirted with DXA little bit at the time, but it's like amazing
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  that it took them as long as it did for them to link up with DX.
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  It felt very subdued, though I felt it did.
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  Oh, Dog was not at the like tippity top of the energy when
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  he was coming out. For whatever reason, it just
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  didn't feel. I think because it's like,
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  again, their their heels and the fans in the crowd are not
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  repeating things back or filling in the blanks.
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  So it. Sounds different.
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  I just I I disagree. I think he's like he's spitting
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  here like he is just going non-stop talking He and he's
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  good. He's so good.
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  He is and I love this version of them like I've talked trash in
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  this podcast about them in many episodes.
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  I think like because I get I got so over these guys so quick, but
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  here they're excellent, I think. And they're on the rise on the
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  come up and it's it's I think it's Rd.
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  Dogg at the very least at his peak.
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  He's just, I love what he's doing here.
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  Yeah, outlaws make legends, he says.
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  I thought it was interesting when he refers to the WWF that
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  gets bleeped out, Yeah. They do that, unfortunately.
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  They do it time to time, but not always.
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  It's like a weird era where they decided they were going to start
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  bleeping it out and then they just kind of like gave up on it,
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  I feel like. Yeah, that's a fairpoint.
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  I like he also has the look mom no curse T-shirt on, like the
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  custom airbrush shirt, like so you know, he'd probably have a
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  conversation with his mom, who I think is kind of wrestling
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  legend right there. They're like a classic wrestling
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  family. So I love that he doesn't curse
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  either. Like, so it's, it's a, it's a
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  funny little thing. Yeah, and they.
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  I love. I I love.
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  It when like a team comes together like this and then now
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  here you are at WrestleMania and they've got the matching gear,
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  the same colors on. It's not like the exact same
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  gear, but it you know, they're A tag and he drops the line.
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  If this is for the weak at heart, please turn your head,
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  Terry Funk. There you go, another reference.
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  And and that's where Jr. has to tell us who Terry Funk is for
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  those people that didn't know. It's you didn't know.
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  It's just like this match is absolutely fantastic.
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  Last year we put it on our uncovered gems from WrestleMania
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  episode and holy crap, in my opinion, this thing lived up to
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  it and, and we'll get to our ratings later.
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  But I watched this match twice like I usually do, and I think
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  it was when I I know I nominated this for our uncovered gems last
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  year and it, it, it was better than I expected, in my opinion,
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  better than I remembered it. But match starts off with Billy
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  Gunn and Chainsaw Charlie, but then like, it's just it, it's
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  pure chaos that you would imagine would happen.
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  Trying a cannonball on Road Dogg off the apron, kicks Jack,
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  misses and nails himself into the side of the dumpster.
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  And like, right off the bat, you're like, OK, this is where
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  we're headed with this thing. Outlaws.
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  They're they're leaning on Chainsaw Charlie.
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  They backdrop him into the dumpster.
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  He tries to get out and then they they simultaneously slam
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  the lid on his head. It it's just like brutal.
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  And this is like stuff that up until this time, we didn't see
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  it in WWF. This is totally new to all of
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  us, as you know, Fed heads, if you will.
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  Yeah, that's. Pre King of the Ring, Hell in
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  the Cell. Pre TLC.
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  TLC That's what my thought was too.
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  I was like, this feels like the seed, obviously, like you said,
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  as fed heads of the WWF at least getting to that point, and this
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  is like how they got on that path to those matches.
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  This is why I love Cactus Jack so much because this is our my
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  introduction, personally, my introduction to this type of
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  wrestling, whether it was just kind of, you know, I, I, I'm
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  hesitating to use the word hardcore just because of what it
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  turned into with the championship for is what it is.
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  But like, that's why I love Cactus Jack so much.
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  That's why he's a top tier guy for me.
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  And of course, Royal Rumble 2000 has a special place in my heart
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  for that reason. But like, I love, I love this
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  match because of that. Do you did you hear the stat in
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  this Jr. goes Terry Funk wrestled at WrestleMania 2.
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  Did you hear that which at WrestleMania 14 that sounds
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  ancient to you, right? Like, but think about it.
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  Today is WrestleMania 42 right? Is that what we're getting to?
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  And so we look back to WrestleMania 30.
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  I did a little research here. So you have appearing on the the
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  upcoming card at least as build a handful more than a handful of
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  guys that are were at dirty as well, Rollins, Reigns, Orton,
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  Lesnar, AJ Lee, Jimmy and Jay USO, and I'm probably missing
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  someone else. So wow, think about that.
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  That's crazy. Right where I think longevity,
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  longevity, yeah, it's a totally different thing.
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  But I think Funk is probably the only guy on this card that was
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  at WrestleMania too, because Hart, Bret Hart might have been,
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  but he's not here obviously, right?
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  I can't think of anyone else. Sean's like got to be the
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  longest tenured guy. And he's definitely not at 2.
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  Right, it's not Taker. So and maybe someone in the
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  battle royal, the tanking battle.
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  Yes. Yeah, you're right.
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  You're right. Maybe I don't know.
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  But yeah, I'm curious. Housekeeping.
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  I'm on it right now. I gave you a good one.
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  That was a good one, right? That is a good one, yeah.
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  It's gonna be like repo Man was a yes.
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  You need a 40. Audacious Mark.
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  So we can we can write it down. Right now I have it on the
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  screen, but I am not seeing it. And WrestleMania 2 again, this
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  is the one that was in multiple locations too, so.
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  Yeah, what about the guy who interferes in the battle royal?
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  Blackjack he's turned on? What's his name?
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  Yeah, maybe. I don't know.
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  Terry Terry and Hoss Funk defeating Tito Santana and the
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  Junkyard Dog, but aside from that they're he's the only one
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  from WrestleMania 2. Tracks.
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  Wow. All right, back to this match.
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  Cactus and and Chainsaw Charlie or Terry Funk, whatever you want
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  to call them at this point. They're both in the dumpster and
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  the Outlaws go to shut the lid on them, but Cactus manages to
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  get up. While the Outlaws are
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  celebrating, they push Rd. Dog down with a mandible claw.
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  They pull him into the dumpster there.
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  There's sheet pans that get involved and the pops with these
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  things man. I, I have one and I I brought it
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  because Jr. delivers just a, a tremendously fun line that I
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  would love it so very much. And it's just him saying 3
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  little letters and let you listen.
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  Yeah, that is fantastic. It popped me so big that I mean,
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  you can hear it in the beginning of the clip here.
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  There's that cookie sheet slap and then whap.
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  Whap. Yo.
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  But for real, when you said I brought one, I thought you were
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  about to pull out a sheet pan and, like, crack it over your
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  head like, whoa. Fun.
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  That would have been fantastic medication for the hardcore
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  match. Yeah, I should.
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  Have I should have. Maybe next time morehouse whap.
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  Then we just go whap. Cactus Jack pulls out a ladder.
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  He brings it into the middle ring, obviously.
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  Why? Oh, I know just randomly because
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  maybe you jump off of it, but Billy Gunn and him are are
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  climbing opposite ends of it and at this point they're in the
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  ring and I don't think you realize what was about to happen
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  while we were watching this. At WrestleMania 14 in 1998, Road
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  Dogg hits Terry Funk with one of those sheet pans.
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  He stumbles into the ladder, which launches Billy Gunn and
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  Cactus Jack into the dumpster, only for both men to be pushed
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  off the dumpster outside the ring.
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  It's like it's insane the way that they landed perfectly.
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  It's just it, yeah. It's just one of those moments
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  that you probably rehearsed and figured out the placement
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  because like, I picked up on it at one point.
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  Before they do it, they push the dumpster like a good two feet
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  away from the ring so that they have the clearing to to land
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  inside of it. Usually that's.
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  Viral. I like it.
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  It's it's it's excellent stuff. Rd.
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  Dogg pulls Billy Gunn out and then they focus their efforts on
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  Chainsaw Charlie. They powerbomb him into the
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  dumpster. Which is a purple spot, yeah,
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  purple spot. And I'm totally certain, like
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  when we get to the end of this match, you see a massive,
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  massive like wound on on chainsaw.
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  So we'll talk about that. Later, I've got that, but Cactus
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  manages to escape. He's going up the aisle into the
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  back. They they head into the
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  backstage area, you know with both outlaws throwing Cactus
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  Jack into like all the promo displays and the boxes.
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  But out of nowhere Cactus Jack replies with chair shots to both
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  of them. He lands Billy Gunn onto a
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  wooden pallet with a double armed DDT.
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  Then out of nowhere Chainsaw Charlie reappears on a forklift.
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  He he lifts the wooden pallet as Cactus Jack drags Rd.
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  Dog onto it. Chainsaw Charlie then then
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  drives the forklift above a backstage dumpster a totally
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  different 1. Dobbs drops both opponents
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  inside as Cactus Jack closes the lid.
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  They win the WWF Tag Team Champions.
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  They like track them in there with the forklift on top as as
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  Terry Funk is going bananas. Wow, I'm out for sure.
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  But the the wealth on the lower side of Terry Funk's back is is
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  brutal. It's like it's, it's, I don't
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  even know like. Road rash It looks like Rd. rash
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  to. Me, I found out what it is.
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  It's a bruised kidney. Shit.
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  Yeah. And it's like, it's like the
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  size of what like 2 of your hands put together almost like
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  at got to be close to like 12 inches long.
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  Which spot was it from? I would imagine it was the power
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  bomb into the dumpster that's. What I'm?
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  Making massive bump that Charlie takes during this match.
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  I mean, I'm sure there's others that, you know, it could happen
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  on anything. Oh yeah, but that bump is.
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  Yeah, it might even happen off screen, but that makes sense.
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  Yeah, man, like that was that was a gnarly looking wound.
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  And now understanding that it was a bruised kidney, that's,
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  that's scary stuff, man. It's scary.
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  That's hard fine. So originally, originally Foley
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  pitched to Vince and, and all the writers that he wanted a
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  best of seven match with Terry Funk.
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  But Vince essentially turned it down because he wanted some more
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  high profile stuff. Mick Foley with Stone Cold,
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  which makes a lot of sense because and, and I'm sure we're
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  going to talk a lot more about it, but really Stone Cold's got
• 19:51
  nobody after he's done with Shawn Michaels.
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  So you do need someone you know. So just going back a little bit
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  before this match or before we get into cans and the cooler for
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  it, we talked to Nick, you talked about our WrestleMania
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  Undercard Gems. That was episode 180 from March
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  20th of last year. So.
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  This was a that was a fun one, but I wanted to give listeners
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  the episodes 180. So yeah, you're.
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  Headed. I like that that's the one where
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  we can't like, decide on what hidden gems means.
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  Right. Yeah, Yeah, things get a little
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  out of control. That's a fun episode though.
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  Yeah, that's that's why you're listening.
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  Though hour and 34 minutes, just a heads up.
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  We get, we get carried away. Shocking cans in the cooler for
• 20:35
  this one. Anybody want to go first?
• 20:37
  First, yeah, go, you go. Yeah, I love this match.
• 20:41
  I give it 5 cans in the cool. Wow, I was.
• 20:45
  Yeah, this match is 10 minutes long.
• 20:48
  Dave Meltzer gave it 4.25 by the way.
• 20:52
  I think it is. So 10 minutes.
• 20:55
  It's extremely entertaining. It's got like this to me is peak
• 20:59
  New Age Outlaws. They they're still like
• 21:02
  underdogs, like still kind of like nobody appreciates them at
• 21:07
  the time. You, you know, chainsaw Charlie
• 21:09
  Terry Funk is fantastic. It's a long term story that
• 21:13
  they've been telling. I don't know, 5 cans is cooler
• 21:15
  for cooler. For me it was just a lot of fun.
• 21:18
  Lot of fun spots. Dang, I'll, I'll follow you.
• 21:21
  I'll say it's the best match in the car and I won't go to five
• 21:24
  stars 5 cans. I'll say I'm going to say 4.
• 21:27
  Maybe that's fair. I just can't go a little.
• 21:31
  I don't know why I can't go a little higher.
• 21:32
  I think 4's a good rating though for this.
• 21:34
  Oh yeah, I also think I realized maybe someone said this before
• 21:39
  on the Internet. Is Kenny Powers ripping off Road
• 21:41
  Dog, Like a little bit? At least a little.
• 21:45
  You might Rd. dogs hair is weird in this, but yeah, it is like
• 21:48
  Bob cut like like a Prince valiant version of the Jamaica,
• 21:52
  you know like the cornrows like exactly and they're like really
• 21:56
  weird. They're super tight, but like, I
• 21:59
  don't, I don't know. It's it's bizarre, but what do
• 22:01
  you got for this? But wait, this is this is like
• 22:03
  much better than I remembered. Like I remember liking it, but
• 22:06
  it's even better than that. And you know, especially I think
• 22:09
  that's. Why?
• 22:10
  I think that's why I went high, because I remember loving this
• 22:14
  match, but not as much as I loved it after.
• 22:17
  Rewatching I forgot they won the titles like I was.
• 22:19
  Like same wait what him I was? Like I don't.
• 22:21
  Remember that who? I don't even know who they drop
• 22:23
  them to after. Next night, next time they.
• 22:24
  Drop them right? Back to them.
• 22:26
  Yeah, we'll get there. Sorry, we'll cover.
• 22:28
  That on the next episode, right? I also gave it a four cans in
• 22:33
  the cooler. You know, I, I, I enjoyed it.
• 22:37
  I would go back and rewatch it like anytime and it's like
• 22:42
  there's no downtime in this match.
• 22:44
  It's just boom, boom, boom, like all fun.
• 22:47
  It's like all fun. I just can't give it a 5 like
• 22:51
  the five can't match given in the past, so A4.
• 22:56
  Fair enough. Fair enough.
• 22:57
  All right. This is baby.
• 22:58
  This match, though, it's. Yeah.
• 23:00
  Aisle on and stick with the four.
• 23:02
  But Mike gave me a nice little segue here because my critique
• 23:05
  of it is I want it to be longer. Like 10 minutes didn't feel like
• 23:10
  long enough. I felt like the backstage piece
• 23:14
  is quick. It was very quick.
• 23:16
  Once you got to the back. I felt like the and now I'm
• 23:18
  nitpicking so bear with me, I'm being an asshole.
• 23:21
  But like when you've got Rd. Dogg and and and Billy Gunn on
• 23:26
  the pallets, they need to like it.
• 23:29
  The, the, the pallet jackets rolled themselves off.
• 23:32
  They rolled themselves off into the dumpster.
• 23:34
  Like just little stupid things like that that just kept me.
• 23:37
  But anytime that you see a wrestler thrown into a surge
• 23:41
  bottle, like a massive surge bottle in the back, extra, extra
• 23:45
  candle puller for me. So maybe I need to go up further
• 23:47
  just because I oh. The surge I that's, you know,
• 23:50
  take that into consideration. You guys made me reconsider my
• 23:53
  5I won't drop it because I do love it.
• 23:55
  But I think what you said Matt is the reason for not giving it
• 24:00
  5 would be the backstage stuff. Like I want more backstage.
• 24:03
  Stuff just a little, you wanting more?
• 24:05
  Yeah, I don't, I don't I think there's not there yet like to an
• 24:08
  agree before like in a few years this like you wish you wish it
• 24:12
  would. This could be an all timer.
• 24:13
  I think it's like they thought like, hey, let's go.
• 24:17
  Yeah, I don't think Vince. Or.
• 24:19
  The the writers were really all in on like the hardcore style
• 24:23
  yet and they didn't understand and they didn't want to give
• 24:26
  them more. That's it.
• 24:27
  What though all? Right.
• 24:30
  Before we move on to our final two matches, let's talk about
• 24:32
  what's in the cooler this week. The Extra Cooler show and what's
• 24:36
  in the cooler is brought to you by Sloop Brewing Company.
• 24:38
  What do you guys got? Oh, Matt, you could go first.
• 24:44
  I've got the tag team champions because we just have a brand new
• 24:48
  tag team champions here, so I've got a little bit of black stuff.
• 24:52
  I got the Guinness in a nice Guinness glass and tagged up
• 24:56
  with a little bit of Jameson that's left in a bottle that my
• 25:00
  father-in-law left. There's like half a shot.
• 25:03
  I figured why the hell that's perfect.
• 25:05
  Any time that you can have a special occasion and bring out
• 25:08
  the tag team champions and it just worked perfectly as we just
• 25:11
  finished up a beautiful dumpster match.
• 25:13
  So cheers boys. Cheers, it's going to be hard to
• 25:17
  top that. Yeah, What do you got, Mike?
• 25:20
  I don't even know. He doesn't have anything.
• 25:23
  He's got wine in a satchel instead of a bag this time,
• 25:26
  Yeah. I have, I have seltzer plus some
• 25:32
  type of goo that has a little bit of CBD and THC in it.
• 25:40
  It's slogan is is says Slurp it up.
• 25:44
  So it says slurp it up. Appropriate for making work,
• 25:49
  right? And I think it's the first.
• 25:54
  Time. Anyone in 205 episodes has had
• 25:57
  that kind of drink on this show. There's not a lot in of DHC in
• 26:00
  there. It's like less than 5 milligrams
• 26:03
  or. Whatever, like if you like a few
• 26:05
  conquistador you know, exploring new grounds.
• 26:09
  Disclaimer It's legal in New York, for one.
• 26:11
  Yes, yes. Yeah, let's see how Mikey
• 26:16
  workrate is in about an hour when we.
• 26:19
  I'm still I'm I glossed over the THC.
• 26:22
  I was stuck on goo. Oh, before Jim goes, I will just
• 26:33
  drop. Ela.
• 26:37
  That's what I've got. I forgot I still had to go.
• 26:41
  Goo. Goo goo, I have another half.
• 26:44
  It's good. My eyes are fail failing me so I
• 26:47
  can't even tell you what percentage.
• 26:48
  Is it really so you have some glasses?
• 26:50
  On yeah, I know it's. It's so dark in here.
• 26:54
  The font is small, the contrast is wrong.
• 26:56
  They can forget about it. Goo.
• 26:59
  Goo, I have. I have what it is, Jim, Am I?
• 27:03
  Old. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:05
  I'm old. There it is.
• 27:08
  All right, moving right along, we've got our next match second
• 27:11
  to last. I guess some areas where I was
• 27:13
  reading they kind of build this as like a like a second main
• 27:17
  event almost. And it's Kane and Undertaker,
• 27:21
  which I thought was interesting because I never really
• 27:22
  considered this to be like a main event type match, but
• 27:27
  really it it is. And they they give them the
• 27:30
  time. So we get a recap of their feud,
• 27:33
  which goes all the way back to Kane's debut.
• 27:36
  And if you're into sweaty pallbearers Silly Putty skin,
• 27:39
  this 6 minute promo is just for you.
• 27:42
  Yep, I timed it. 6 minutes. That's crazy.
• 27:46
  It is a lot of pallbearer like and it made me wonder like
• 27:49
  what's with managers who jump ship from like this dominant guy
• 27:53
  like a proven commodity? Some Johnny come lately.
• 27:56
  It's like, it's like Nick in fantasy football with the
• 27:58
  trades. He's got like something good.
• 28:00
  I like that side, Sideswipe. But really, Heyman's done it
• 28:05
  too, you know? It's always I don't.
• 28:07
  Get it like this guys at the top let.
• 28:09
  Me let. Me, jump ship now, whatever.
• 28:11
  I'm so distracted by that. That was well done, Jim.
• 28:15
  I. Appreciate that.
• 28:17
  I actually think that this is is definitely worth the billing of
• 28:21
  the second main event. But I know Nick, you are the
• 28:25
  normally the opponent of these these packages, these like taps
• 28:29
  that's telling the retelling the story. 6 minutes is whoa.
• 28:33
  That is too long. Way too long, way too long.
• 28:36
  I would have enjoyed. Maybe I would have enjoyed it a
• 28:38
  little a little bit more if we didn't just watched 2 raws prior
• 28:44
  to this, but 6 minutes is too long.
• 28:46
  Give me 3 Max. I I do believe that the Kane
• 28:50
  Undertaker story or Kane joining, you know, WF is one of
• 28:54
  the most important stories of this generation for sure.
• 28:58
  And the fact that you recapping it is certainly important.
• 29:02
  But yeah, 6 minutes just feels like a ton.
• 29:06
  I could have had a Brandy match. Yeah, it could have been an
• 29:09
  extra match for, you know. Backstage Brandy vignette.
• 29:13
  That'd be great. I think under Undertaker is kind
• 29:15
  of like a cook in the promos too.
• 29:17
  Or what do the kids say these days?
• 29:19
  A simp, That's what he's like. I don't even know what you say.
• 29:23
  Oh, they say simp a lot, yeah. We went through this with his
• 29:26
  whole like end of Raw 1-2 episodes ago.
• 29:29
  Like the way he just went on and blabbered and talked way too
• 29:33
  much. That's the last thing I want to
• 29:34
  hear. I deleted those audio files.
• 29:37
  Thank you. They're not there.
• 29:39
  So before the actual match, we get record holder Pete Rose
• 29:44
  coming to the ring as the special ring announcer.
• 29:47
  And this to me is like the most WWFWWE thing.
• 29:53
  And then, like, they make it even weirder.
• 29:56
  OK, so he comes out, he starts insulting the home team, the
• 30:02
  hometown team, Boston, and he's got to introduce Kane.
• 30:07
  But he receives a tombstone pile driver, which starts a whole
• 30:11
  tradition. None of this makes sense to me,
• 30:14
  right? Kane is supposed to be a mega
• 30:16
  hero, and he's coming out in defense of Boston, all right?
• 30:21
  Trying to get him over here. What's going on?
• 30:23
  Yeah. It doesn't.
• 30:24
  I don't know, it doesn't work for me.
• 30:25
  Kane is has no allegiance to anybody.
• 30:28
  He's just a monster. First of.
• 30:30
  All but they but they know he's gonna.
• 30:33
  Pop the crowd. And what's what's really funny
• 30:36
  is that the Reds during their World Series runs, they were
• 30:40
  called the Big Red Machine. You are Kane, the Big Red
• 30:44
  machine, although he doesn't have that that moniker just yet
• 30:48
  as this is kind of brand new. But I thought that was pretty
• 30:51
  fun. And you know, Pete Rose,
• 30:52
  Cincinnati Red, long time Cincinnati Red, but there is no
• 30:56
  like connection between Rose and the Red Sox.
• 31:00
  I know it's just happenstance of like, hey, this is happening in
• 31:03
  Boston and he's going to come out and and make fun of of the
• 31:06
  Red Sox, which is, you know, that cheap heat that you go for,
• 31:08
  especially when you have a a player from that that world.
• 31:14
  He gets some good. His friend Bucky Bent says
• 31:17
  hello. I like the, I like the Buckner
• 31:19
  one. He's like, I left him some
• 31:20
  tickets but he couldn't bent over to pick him up.
• 31:22
  Like I just, yeah, that's where he is.
• 31:24
  That was really good, but that's coming from the Mets fan and I
• 31:26
  actually think that that is the part of this that makes it so
• 31:29
  good. We can, all four of us can
• 31:30
  unite. Although were you a Yankee fan
• 31:33
  in 1998? Yeah, I think he was, yeah.
• 31:36
  That's trying to get that on the record.
• 31:38
  What is this, 60 minutes? Yeah.
• 31:41
  Yeah, baby. I'm coming.
• 31:43
  Just fuck you. I'm coming back next week with
• 31:49
  60 minutes of Tom Brandy content.
• 31:51
  Just. It's just like it.
• 31:54
  It's one of those things that in wrestling they do and it's like
• 31:57
  you understand it, but it makes also makes no sense why you're
• 32:01
  having this guy you're trying to get over as a megaheel.
• 32:03
  In in Boston when he's talking them, you know?
• 32:07
  And like Mike said, like Kane's a monster.
• 32:09
  He doesn't care. Anybody that gets in his way he
• 32:11
  wants to take out I get, but I feel like it wasn't presented
• 32:14
  that way. I don't know.
• 32:17
  It is what it is. Or Undertaker's too.
• 32:18
  He's too. He's too busy simping, you know.
• 32:21
  Yeah, now, now I will say this as the honorary like anti
• 32:29
  undertaker guy, right. Undertaker comes out, he's got a
• 32:34
  like a group of torch bearing druids to the tone of O Fortuna,
• 32:41
  which you'd know it if you heard it, and his music plays as
• 32:47
  Thunder and lightning flicker throughout the arena.
• 32:50
  And I'm I'm not going to lie, this might be my favorite
• 32:53
  Undertaker entrance at WrestleMania.
• 32:56
  I was trying to like find out if I could, if I can recognize any
• 33:01
  of the druids as they came out. Yeah, I did.
• 33:02
  It only happened. It only happened for like the
• 33:04
  first or second guy. And then I was like, yeah, I'm
• 33:06
  not putting it anymore. It it goes 4 minutes long
• 33:09
  because that's what I have to do.
• 33:10
  I have to time it and you know. After the six minute promo,
• 33:14
  yeah, it's it's a lot. There's like a good like what
• 33:17
  feels like half hour until this match actually gets underway.
• 33:21
  But I, I think I, I think it worked.
• 33:23
  And again, maybe it's because it's before all of the like the
• 33:28
  hoopla of the undertaker entrances at WrestleMania and
• 33:31
  like the overdone and you know, the 10 minute long entrances.
• 33:36
  I think this one works. It felt new.
• 33:37
  It felt fresh, but 4 minutes too long.
• 33:40
  But for those of you wondering at home, we are still in
• 33:44
  teardrop taker era which is pathetic and I don't know if
• 33:48
  he's. Ever been explained he is emo
• 33:50
  taker? I thoroughly enjoy the duster,
• 33:54
  the the trench coat, whatever he's got on the green.
• 33:57
  It's the sleeveless trench coat. It's it's like a classic
• 34:01
  undertaker look and it has the big like, I don't know, is it a
• 34:04
  diamond shaped like headpiece? Yes, it it looks awesome.
• 34:09
  I mean, aside from the little teardrop that's on him, I think
• 34:12
  he looks incredible during this entrance.
• 34:14
  What is this? This Taker kind of runs from
• 34:16
  wrestling a 12 to this one, right?
• 34:18
  Like in yes, those years, I'd say it's like the kind of run
• 34:22
  for this and then obviously next year is the best Taker.
• 34:26
  Right, I want to know why he added the teardrop.
• 34:31
  Like was there a reason? I did a quick Google search and
• 34:34
  I'm not going to trust it because everything is AI now
• 34:37
  and. When what?
• 34:38
  So what'd you get? When did it come out?
• 34:40
  It said he he debuted it at 96 Survivor Series to symbolize
• 34:45
  grief and mourn the loss of someone close to him.
• 34:49
  Then get it tattooed on your face, loser.
• 34:51
  You care that much because he didn't care that much that he
• 34:55
  had to use. It's not a real Sharpie every
• 34:57
  every night he's doing this. Yeah, right.
• 34:59
  That's probably in like different spots, like a Austin
• 35:01
  Powers. Yeah, the mole.
• 35:03
  Like the mole on his face. In different areas.
• 35:05
  I mean, there's that classic story about how he got that
• 35:08
  first tattoo on his forearm, and Bruce Pritchard was like.
• 35:12
  You've ruined your career, pal. Yeah.
• 35:14
  Yeah, and then here he is. And maybe that's ringing in his
• 35:16
  head that he doesn't want the actual teardrop.
• 35:18
  That that ruined his career, not his ex wife's name on his
• 35:21
  throat. Although that was just the first
• 35:25
  one, but now can you picture podcasting Mark Callaway
• 35:28
  Undertaker with the teardrop tattoo on his on his?
• 35:32
  What a doofus. Anyway, I'm not I'm.
• 35:34
  Looking forward to the John Cena Undertaker podcast that's
• 35:37
  happening at WWE World next week.
• 35:41
  Next week. Castlemania is that soon?
• 35:43
  Wow. So this is one of those matches
• 35:46
  for me. I did not expect to enjoy it.
• 35:49
  When I hit, did you watch it twice?
• 35:51
  Did not watch it twice. I didn't watch it.
• 35:53
  Twice. So why did you watch the
• 35:55
  dumpster match twice but not this one?
• 35:59
  Because he didn't. Expect to enjoy it.
• 36:01
  Did you watch the Man? He had some goo had some.
• 36:05
  Goo, go ahead, we derailed you. No, Did you?
• 36:10
  I was, I was, I was into this when I watched it.
• 36:14
  Did you watch the Tyson Austin? No I didn't.
• 36:17
  I only, I only watched. I only watched the dumpster
• 36:19
  match. My wife went to bed.
• 36:20
  I, I was like, oh, let me, let me check out the dumpster match.
• 36:22
  I didn't have anything to watch, so I gave it a whirl.
• 36:25
  All right, go for it. Sorry, but but I, I was into it.
• 36:31
  Despite knowing the outcome and where it was headed.
• 36:34
  I I didn't care for the fact that it went 17 minutes, which
• 36:37
  of course you got to give Undertaker too much time, but
• 36:40
  they really did a decent job putting Kane over.
• 36:45
  It's sloppy at times. It's very sloppy.
• 36:48
  It's like. Neither of them are prepared for
• 36:50
  each other's weight. Yes, absolutely, 100% 'cause.
• 36:54
  They're they're trying to. Pick up Undertaker and he puts
• 36:58
  them like in the tree of woe in the corner or something.
• 37:00
  Yes, you know he. Can't hook them in?
• 37:02
  Yeah, you can't hook them in 'cause.
• 37:03
  He's like laying on the ground, like in the tree of Woe, like
• 37:06
  it's not great. There is.
• 37:10
  AII will tell you there is a highlight in this match.
• 37:14
  Singular how? To me there is and I'm going to
• 37:18
  get there. Undertaker, He drops Kane on top
• 37:21
  of the ropes, punches him off the apron right and Kane is
• 37:26
  still like wobbling on his feet. Undertaker then decides to do
• 37:31
  his over the top suicide dive, which Kane manages to sidestep
• 37:36
  sends the Undertaker crashing through the Spanish announce
• 37:39
  table. That's not the highlight.
• 37:41
  The highlight is Carlos Cabrera with the slow motion cell job of
• 37:46
  the century as he flops off the chair.
• 37:50
  Like if we could show you this footage right now, it it's, it's
• 37:54
  fantastic. It's like he's like, oh shit,
• 37:56
  I'm supposed to roll over onto the floor now.
• 37:59
  It's it's art. I bet I rewound and watched the.
• 38:04
  Game like 5 times. Think of the think of the cool
• 38:07
  kid quote UN quote cool kid that's in school and like middle
• 38:10
  school and you're leaning back in your chair, leaning it on 2
• 38:14
  legs. And then all of a sudden you
• 38:15
  just start to lose your balance and it's all happening in slow
• 38:18
  motion, feet going, arms are going.
• 38:20
  That's exactly what he is doing. And I'm fairly certain that I
• 38:24
  had done that once in. Oh yeah, I agree, we did.
• 38:28
  Yeah, yeah. Copper Beach Middle School.
• 38:30
  I found my way on my on my. Slow realization like.
• 38:33
  Yeah, exactly. No.
• 38:35
  Crash, but the undertaker. Overly sold.
• 38:40
  Undertaker attempts to give Kane a tombstone.
• 38:44
  Kane manages to to shift his weight, reverses it, allows Kane
• 38:47
  to deliver a tombstone to the Undertaker instead.
• 38:51
  I don't know. This is where it gets like all
• 38:53
  schmozzy and you're like, oh great, you know, the
• 38:55
  Undertaker's got to get over here, of course.
• 38:58
  I mean, that's hindsight, right? Like, and that's Kane is coming
• 39:02
  in and he is this massive threat to the Undertaker and you don't
• 39:06
  know really the the the streak at this point.
• 39:10
  Sure. No. 6 and O or something.
• 39:12
  Maybe, yeah, it's a, it's not anything that's real yet.
• 39:15
  And you are facing your brother, right?
• 39:18
  Undertaker's brother quote UN quote and he seems like a
• 39:22
  legitimate threat. Pallbearer is against the
• 39:24
  Undertaker at this point I I I know that you were going to dump
• 39:27
  on this match, but I thoroughly enjoyed it I.
• 39:30
  Thought it was really. I said I enjoyed it.
• 39:32
  Yeah, no, I said I enjoyed it. It's coming across they the
• 39:37
  Undertaker choke slams him, delivers a tombstone of his own.
• 39:41
  Kane kicks out. This is marked the first time
• 39:43
  they said that someone ever kicked out of Undertaker's
• 39:47
  tombstone pile driver. Again, these are these are all
• 39:50
  things, but like, you're watching it and you're like, oh
• 39:52
  crap, Undertaker's going to win again.
• 39:54
  Like again, we know what we know.
• 39:57
  Takes 3 to moment. Yeah, go ahead.
• 39:59
  Sorry. No no, it takes 3 tombstones
• 40:02
  with a guillotine leg drop and a flying clothesline in between to
• 40:05
  stop Kane, but an end undertaker lands the pin and is victorious.
• 40:10
  He does kick out at like 3.5 like an Andre's moment.
• 40:14
  Yeah. Or Hogan.
• 40:15
  That's 6 Hogan. I I did think that the crowd
• 40:20
  wasn't super into this match either and especially was not
• 40:24
  popping for the false finishes. Like there just wasn't this
• 40:28
  massive reaction that I was assuming that Vince and Taker
• 40:32
  and Kane expected to to get into this.
• 40:35
  That was my like 1 observation. And I don't know if it was just
• 40:38
  like it was getting too long, like the card's too long at this
• 40:42
  point. And it's crazy to think about
• 40:44
  when in the grand scheme of things, pretty short card.
• 40:46
  Yeah, only 26, but I'm wondering if they're like tired by this
• 40:50
  point. They're not great all night.
• 40:51
  They're not great. In the next year, that is true.
• 40:53
  They maybe they were distracted by Pole Bear yelling.
• 40:56
  Damn you dead man, damn you. Oh yeah, that's fantastic.
• 41:03
  Who knew you've been holding in that point?
• 41:05
  They're impression all this whole time.
• 41:07
  I don't. Know maybe put that on the sound
• 41:09
  board. Maybe the goo needs to happen
• 41:11
  weekly. Yeah, yeah, I got a.
• 41:13
  Goo that more? Goo.
• 41:17
  Oh man, as soon as the match is over, Paul Bearer attacks
• 41:19
  Undertaker and orders Kane to attack him, which he did with
• 41:22
  chair shots to the head. Whap whap.
• 41:27
  Then a tombstone pile driver onto the chair and after Kane
• 41:31
  and Paul Bearer leaves, Undertaker sits up and leaves
• 41:34
  the ring. Dave Meltzer gave this 1.5 stars
• 41:40
  which to me is wildly low. Wow.
• 41:43
  It is not I. Wouldn't go that low, no.
• 41:45
  No, no, I, I'll, I probably, I probably flirt flirted with a 3
• 41:50
  here. I say I'm.
• 41:52
  Absolutely. Strong three if not 3 1/2 to me
• 41:56
  and I know that I was going to be the high man on this one no
• 41:59
  matter what because I I was really hit on it.
• 42:02
  I was. I was too.
• 42:03
  On the the sloppiness that you guys talk about, I'm totally in
• 42:08
  on that insane like Suicida over the top through the announce
• 42:13
  table, the big bump, the spectacle that that was like I
• 42:17
  that alone of like the spectacle that is the undertaker going up
• 42:21
  and over the top rope and I don't know the whole that's the.
• 42:25
  Highlight for me with Undertaker that is the move.
• 42:29
  Like when he discovered he could do that like that.
• 42:32
  That shit's cool to see a dude that big fly over the top.
• 42:35
  But like all of that combined with the story and the
• 42:39
  storytelling of Kane and Taker and to this point and yeah, I,
• 42:43
  I, I would have think at the end of the day, I would have liked
• 42:46
  to see Kane take the dose. Yes.
• 42:49
  In the grand scheme of things, you know you have to ignore the
• 42:52
  streak will come from it, but you.
• 42:54
  Don't even have to ignore that there.
• 42:56
  I really enjoyed it. 3 1/2 for me.
• 42:57
  I'm going 3 1/2. You wonder if that's this is the
• 43:00
  closest. I don't know how close the
• 43:01
  booking came to like they must have considered, right?
• 43:05
  Right. They had to have considered it
• 43:07
  at least. Feel like there was one that
• 43:09
  they talk about all the time that is supposedly the one that
• 43:12
  Vince was the closest to pulling the trigger on and I this one
• 43:15
  was not it. Oh.
• 43:16
  Yeah, it's, it's a random one. We've definitely.
• 43:18
  Talked about I. Think or something, yeah, but
• 43:21
  this is I don't know. It was Edge.
• 43:23
  Actually, the sloppy, the the sloppiness of it is what really
• 43:29
  hurt. I feel your sloppiness feels
• 43:32
  more real and I it does a tombstone that, you know,
• 43:38
  Undertaker has Kane up for a tombstone and that classic like
• 43:41
  roll backwards and Kane like struggles to get him up, but
• 43:44
  eventually has he's like doing a full squat with the undertaker
• 43:49
  holding him and like that was crazy to see.
• 43:52
  And I don't mind the sloppiness because it makes it feel a
• 43:54
  little bit more real at times. There wasn't anything that was a
• 43:57
  botch quote, UN quote, but it was more along the lines of like
• 44:01
  this was a struggle between two behemoths and I enjoyed it,
• 44:06
  Mikey. You want me to go?
• 44:08
  Yeah, either way, yeah. Go for it, it's all you.
• 44:11
  I, I gave it a three, you know, I was, I was entertained by this
• 44:16
  match. It probably went a little too
• 44:19
  long, kind of done without some of the rest holds in the middle
• 44:24
  of it. Sure.
• 44:25
  Yeah. But besides that, that that
• 44:27
  could have like bumped it up to a four maybe without all that,
• 44:31
  but. Tell us how you really feel.
• 44:36
  What are you giving it? I hated it then, I hated it now
• 44:41
  It's slow and plodding. I feel like I wasted 20 minutes
• 44:43
  in my life. Not.
• 44:44
  That. Slow two people's match playing
• 44:46
  with LGN rubber action figures smacking them together.
• 44:52
  I hate I-1 can I hate it? I don't like it.
• 44:55
  I don't like these matches. One wow, I'm with.
• 44:57
  I'm all about a horse fight, but like.
• 44:59
  No this. Hasn't been.
• 45:00
  It's fucking sucky. This is not a hoss fight.
• 45:03
  This is not. Then what is?
• 45:04
  And slapping meat. I don't know, I I it was two big
• 45:07
  guys, sure, like they they, they're big guys in the sense of
• 45:11
  wrestling, but like this isn't no, they're.
• 45:13
  Literally big too though, you're right.
• 45:14
  Like this? Story there.
• 45:16
  Slapping meat. That's not what this was the.
• 45:18
  Story. Yes, I'll give you that, I'd
• 45:20
  say. The beginning the.
• 45:22
  Storyline is good. I still think the storyline
• 45:25
  wasn't even that good. I think it was told very sloppy.
• 45:29
  When you look back at it, it's very disjointed at times.
• 45:32
  Disjointed was exactly the word I was thinking about before you
• 45:35
  said it. It does not go.
• 45:37
  It should go a lot smoother from the Bad Blood debut up until
• 45:42
  WrestleMania. And it did not feel like it hit
• 45:45
  its peak. Like where they were like ready
• 45:47
  to destroy each other. Like Pete Rose shouldn't have
• 45:50
  been out there. None of that should have
• 45:51
  happened. Like they should have been like
• 45:53
  dying to get at each other. Like instead there's like down.
• 45:59
  Yeah, no, I know, I know. I was entertained by the match.
• 46:02
  A little long play. A role in that for what?
• 46:05
  Yes, I know I didn't even think of the Rose thing in that way.
• 46:08
  Like I just thought of it as purely like why are they getting
• 46:10
  cane over? But like you're right, he
• 46:12
  doesn't. He shouldn't be here like this
• 46:14
  is should be like a dogfight at this.
• 46:16
  Point again if. We were to go.
• 46:17
  The guy tried to murder him, Yeah.
• 46:19
  If we were to go and look at bad blood till now, I I to repeat
• 46:24
  myself disjointed. The whole storyline is just
• 46:27
  over. What is that 6 month period?
• 46:29
  It's sloppy. It's I don't think it's well
• 46:31
  told and I I don't think. Man.
• 46:35
  Personally I I don't think that's why I hold this in such
• 46:38
  high regards as. The highs are highs.
• 46:40
  One of the great feuds under Tikardik and Cain is not one of
• 46:44
  the great feuds and I don't think most people would say it.
• 46:47
  I feel like it is, I feel like it is, and I feel like this
• 46:50
  Sure, disjointed is certainly a word that came into my mind as
• 46:53
  well before you said it, like I said, but right, the the Cain
• 46:57
  and Undertaker story starting even before bad blood was even
• 47:02
  like that was the most impactful piece was like pallbearer coming
• 47:06
  out of like I found your brother and your brother's alive and all
• 47:09
  that stuff like that was certainly a major part of it and
• 47:13
  ripping the cage door off the hell in a cell and all of that
• 47:16
  is a a major storytelling point. But there's that disjointed
• 47:21
  piece of Undertaker going away and you know, pallbearer and it
• 47:24
  it makes me want to go back and do my research and watch every
• 47:28
  piece of it. And this is where man, oh man,
• 47:31
  the the WWE Network, if you had the ability to just hit play and
• 47:36
  do that and just do every little piece of it along the way.
• 47:39
  And I'm, you know, maybe it's on WWE vault and maybe things like
• 47:43
  that, but like this, it's this conversation is making me want
• 47:48
  to go back and actually prove whether it was good or not.
• 47:52
  I, I think, I think, I mean this is definitely a all time
• 47:55
  rivalry, but maybe more among the incel fan portion of the fan
• 47:58
  base, I'd say like. Yeah, I no, I agree.
• 48:02
  I think you're. Right.
• 48:03
  I don't think it's that. Good.
• 48:04
  I don't think it's. I think it's overrated.
• 48:07
  I'm with you. I think it's one of the more
• 48:09
  overrated feuds in WWF or WWE, and it's one of the maybe it's
• 48:14
  because it's one of those things that's been forced down our
• 48:17
  throat over the years and I don't know.
• 48:21
  Kane's not a good wrestler. Like Glenn Jacobs is a prick.
• 48:27
  I mean, Mark Galloway is too, but that's a whole different
• 48:30
  story. Don't.
• 48:31
  Get me started on Corporate Kane, Yeah.
• 48:34
  Yeah. Anyway, I think we need to move
• 48:36
  on. We've dumped on these two.
• 48:38
  I've dragged you guys down to where I live.
• 48:40
  Oh. Man, all right.
• 48:43
  Well, I'm clawing my way out. There, Yeah, Mikey 4 over there
• 48:48
  about to give it. No, I said.
• 48:50
  I did not give it a four. OK, good boy.
• 48:54
  All right, next we get a video package to the DX Music,
• 48:58
  highlighting Mike Tyson's short few weeks, building him up to
• 49:01
  joining DX and getting ready for WrestleMania.
• 49:03
  It's fantastic. Let's hear it.
• 49:08
  When I present to you, the enforcer, the baddest man, the
• 49:13
  baddest murder, maddest man, oh, that's going to leave a mark for
• 49:17
  sure. Questionably the baddest man on
• 49:22
  the bladder. I, if I, if, if I had the
• 49:33
  patience or the skills to make our introduction sound something
• 49:37
  like that, I would because it's fantastic.
• 49:40
  I just love everything about that.
• 49:44
  Like the little. Slow motions that.
• 49:45
  They drop in there of Vince and all that's going to leave a
• 49:49
  mark. Whoever did that, it's like a
• 49:51
  mad scientist. Like, that's excellent work.
• 49:53
  Yeah. That whole like.
• 49:56
  I thought it's. Been, yet is is a.
• 49:59
  Plus the virus worm, yeah. You're going to make me learn
• 50:04
  even more than I've already taught myself, D.
• 50:07
  XDX is, it's always producing downhill unfortunately after
• 50:11
  tonight, but we'll get there on next week's episode.
• 50:14
  And maybe that's some certain bias out of me, but here we are
• 50:18
  with our championship match. It's still cool on that match in
• 50:21
  that on that Raw, but. Yes, Oh, 100% yeah.
• 50:25
  We're here at our main event, Stone Cold Steve Austin, the
• 50:28
  Royal Rumble winner, facing off against the champion Shawn
• 50:31
  Michaels. This is, as we've, you know,
• 50:34
  beaten to death the singles match for the WWF Championship
• 50:37
  with Mike Tyson as the special ring enforcer.
• 50:40
  With DX introducing first, we get.
• 50:44
  Wait, wait, hold up. Did you say, did you say Austin
• 50:47
  won the Royal Rumble 'cause you never would have guessed that.
• 50:52
  Like during that promo, it's like they don't even Austin.
• 50:55
  Oh, no sight like a foot, Yeah. Yeah, there's.
• 50:58
  Just one, one contender. No, yeah, like the no highlights
• 51:01
  of the Rumble, like that's UN, like you don't see that ever.
• 51:04
  Now all Tyson No. Yeah, it's.
• 51:06
  All Tyson, but we get the he's ditched his what is Big Daddy
• 51:13
  Kane or whatever we said was his his theme music.
• 51:15
  But now he's got his own fresh music and we get DX is going to
• 51:19
  kick your ass right now and it's Mike Titus will kill.
• 51:25
  You. Very own Yeah.
• 51:27
  Headed down the aisle, crotch chopping with those stiff arms
• 51:31
  in the middle of the ring, bopping to his DX music.
• 51:34
  I just can't get over him. Just like throwing it up top,
• 51:38
  like not the crotch chop, but like just like throwing it in
• 51:42
  the faces of fans. It's down like.
• 51:45
  Mike, just do an X any way you can.
• 51:47
  Yeah, just just do it. I, I, it doesn't matter.
• 51:51
  Like had him practice it a million times.
• 51:53
  He can't. Get it right throughout
• 51:54
  everything, throughout the entrance, throughout the match
• 51:57
  throughout like he's just finding a a guy in the crowd and
• 52:01
  just throwing an X in the space. I wish if I wish in post
• 52:04
  production they added the sound effects that they have in the in
• 52:07
  the promo package where it's like like that's like the like
• 52:12
  I. Don't know it does do that you.
• 52:13
  Know like a Kung Fu movie or like Power Rangers or something.
• 52:17
  I just want to. I'll wait a heartbreak.
• 52:21
  Oh I love. Heartbreak.
• 52:22
  That made my notes. I love the fact that Tyson calls
• 52:26
  HBK or Shawn Michaels or whatever.
• 52:28
  He just calls him straight up heartbreak.
• 52:30
  Heartbreak shout. Out our good, good friend of the
• 52:32
  show Ian Valentine and and Paul that's what we used to do with
• 52:36
  each other and whenever I would see them and they would visit
• 52:40
  you are. Heartbreak.
• 52:42
  I am heartbreak. But this is the first time I
• 52:45
  think that we hear the classic. I love that.
• 52:51
  And then you see Austin walking through the backstage and
• 52:54
  gorilla. I read that this they basically
• 52:58
  stole this from Madison Square Garden.
• 53:00
  And this is what Madison Square Garden used to do with boxing
• 53:03
  matches and and WWF events as well.
• 53:06
  But like the backstage leading to the ring, it's it's
• 53:09
  incredible. The you just get a.
• 53:11
  Quick. Peek of Gorilla.
• 53:14
  Yeah, and the the glass breaks in.
• 53:16
  The crowd erupts. Reminds me of like WrestleMania
• 53:19
  one like Hogan coming out, yes. The Hogan so.
• 53:22
  I, I want to talk about gorilla more.
• 53:24
  And I feel like this is like forever in the iconic moments of
• 53:29
  Stone Cold, like that walk to the ring during this is
• 53:33
  synonymous with stone cold forever now.
• 53:36
  Yeah. And it's it's whether you
• 53:38
  realize it or not, you have seen this a million times.
• 53:41
  It's like the same footage that we've seen a million times of
• 53:44
  Hogan walking down to the ring. Like it's it's the same.
• 53:48
  About to beat Iron Chic. Yeah, it's the same exact thing.
• 53:51
  And. And now that you say that.
• 53:54
  It is seen. It together.
• 53:56
  It's the same thing. It's the same thing as Hogan.
• 53:58
  Hogan is coming down to win his first title against the Chic,
• 54:01
  right? And and Austin is coming down to
• 54:03
  spoiler alert to to win his first title here against
• 54:06
  Michaels. And but I wanted to talk about
• 54:09
  you just like gave a little glimpse into gorilla, right?
• 54:13
  You get it for a split second, but gorilla is not the
• 54:16
  production that it is in 2026. This is a folding table that
• 54:21
  it's, it's very well put together of what they're showing
• 54:25
  and what they are not showing. And yeah.
• 54:27
  I've got more of that later. Austin turns the corner and it's
• 54:30
  a literal folding, folding table that you would see the big show
• 54:34
  chokeslam somebody through, right?
• 54:36
  But you see Bruce Pritchard just a a, a shade of Bruce
• 54:40
  Pritchard's side, but it is a classic orange extension cord
• 54:44
  that's connected to another extension cord that is running
• 54:47
  down from the ceiling and then Daisy.
• 54:50
  Chain like that. One little monitor and there's a
• 54:54
  Diet Coke on the Bolton table and like, that's everything that
• 54:58
  you see. But I was infatuated with what
• 55:00
  you were seeing there. I like slowed it down.
• 55:02
  I rewound it. I like paused it again.
• 55:05
  But it was very apparent that they only showed half the table
• 55:09
  because they had a ref and they had another, you know, WWE
• 55:12
  official, WWF official that was definitely blocking the
• 55:16
  second-half of what it what we're calling gorilla.
• 55:19
  Because Vince was probably sitting in the corner and they
• 55:22
  couldn't show him on TV. And all of this was fascinating
• 55:25
  to me. Yeah, I've got I've got more
• 55:26
  notes on it later that I'm gonna save.
• 55:29
  But as Texans in the ring as as Austin enters, he's giving him
• 55:34
  thumbs down like classic. Is that what he's?
• 55:36
  Doing confused. I don't know what he's doing,
• 55:38
  Tyson. 'S like doing well, yeah.
• 55:40
  Yeah, he's like, he doesn't know what he needs to do.
• 55:42
  He's like probably running through his lines and his move.
• 55:45
  Set Austin just like looks at him like, what's wrong?
• 55:47
  Yeah, he's like in the wrong way.
• 55:49
  I do like, Oh yeah, he's so happy he's got the cut offs
• 55:53
  though too. So it's like the his Mao Zedong
• 55:56
  tattoos all this way. I love that.
• 55:58
  I think that's the funniest tattoo of all time.
• 56:01
  Maybe 1. I saw as, as I saw that tattoo,
• 56:04
  I saw Vladimir in the crowd behind him and I was like, I
• 56:08
  need to get Vladimir tattoo in the style of Mike Tyson's Mao
• 56:11
  Zedong tattoo. It's like I will be the only
• 56:14
  person that has that. Vladimir tattoo in a wife,
• 56:17
  Peter. In a wife, Peter.
• 56:20
  But you have to get him with like both arms, like yes.
• 56:22
  Oh yeah, yeah. You mean leaning forward in?
• 56:25
  Front of. Him 5° angle, yeah.
• 56:27
  Jr. calls Sean the greatest champion of all time, and while
• 56:31
  I believe this is true. I.
• 56:34
  Think this is also a shot at Brett in the moment I I think
• 56:39
  they're still landing shots while they can because.
• 56:43
  And Hogan? Maybe, Yeah.
• 56:44
  Oh yeah, totally. But Tyson, Austin, they go nose
• 56:49
  to nose in the middle of the ring.
• 56:50
  And then once again, we get done, done, done, done, done,
• 56:53
  which to me, we've talked about, we've quoted this a million
• 56:56
  times, but it's Sean and DX backstage.
• 56:59
  Triple H flips the bird to the camera.
• 57:01
  China's holding Sean's hand during this, which I thought was
• 57:04
  interesting. And we get the classic for us
• 57:09
  here. We get a classic.
• 57:11
  This is for you, Earl. So we haven't really talked
• 57:13
  about this. Earl Heppner was in a
• 57:16
  Massachusetts hospital at the time with a brain aneurysm.
• 57:19
  And that's why, that's why he missed WrestleMania 14.
• 57:22
  Yeah, apparently. Apparently he was in bad shape.
• 57:25
  I during the at the time, we did not know that.
• 57:28
  We just realized he was missing but I think it was also
• 57:33
  interesting that right after he Chaunce gives a this is for you,
• 57:36
  Earl. He also said it's first time
• 57:39
  without my good luck. Charming.
• 57:40
  I always thought that had to do with Earl Heppner not being
• 57:43
  there. Apparently it did not.
• 57:44
  It has to do with his fiance or girlfriend at the time.
• 57:49
  So I I don't know. It's it's interesting.
• 57:51
  Sonny. Yeah, Sonny was there, but but
• 57:56
  the DX band is back with a live version and holy shit, Sean is
• 58:00
  on a lot of painkillers to get through this match and you can
• 58:04
  just you can tell. I mean, this guy is this poor
• 58:07
  bastard, but. He's in a lot of pain.
• 58:10
  He's got a lot of security apparently, and.
• 58:15
  They just go back to the hand holding in the backstage there.
• 58:17
  They do look like a like a little family coming down.
• 58:20
  They do like it to all your points before about gorilla and
• 58:23
  everything. It's like I love this, like
• 58:25
  literal peek behind the curtain, even if it's you know, they're
• 58:29
  Cape Haven, you know, like you know what I mean?
• 58:30
  Like they're working us, but like it just it, it bends the
• 58:35
  reality, especially back then, which they were starting to do
• 58:39
  more and more obviously. And it's just a, it made it more
• 58:42
  of a, a big fight feel, I think. So.
• 58:45
  A lot of the story here at this point too is like and and the
• 58:48
  lore of the story, I guess we should say, is that, you know,
• 58:52
  there was talks of Sean maybe not even showing up.
• 58:55
  And this. That was a legitimate piece of
• 58:58
  the business here. And you've heard Undertaker
• 59:01
  candidly talk about it, of how how he was prepared to go out
• 59:07
  there and be the enforcer if Sean didn't quote, UN quote, do
• 59:11
  business. So that's, that's what I was
• 59:13
  going to get to. There's a shot of Sean in
• 59:15
  Gorilla going back to that gorilla where you can see Bruce
• 59:19
  Pritchard at that table. Apparently Undertaker.
• 59:22
  The the story is that Undertaker is in the other side of that
• 59:25
  camera shot and he's supposedly taping his fists, basically
• 59:30
  telling Sean like, you better do business like that.
• 59:33
  That's his way of saying that and you better drop the title.
• 59:36
  Otherwise, I'm going to be back here waiting for you.
• 59:39
  So that that's that was my little tidbit.
• 59:42
  Of this is sure you've got Survivor Series 97 with the
• 59:47
  Brett Shawn of it all. Then you've got Royal Rumble and
• 59:51
  then here you are with WrestleMania and sure they're in
• 59:53
  your house in the in the way and all that other shit.
• 59:55
  But like we were talking about the BIG4 like we're not far
• 59:58
  removed from that. So all this is crazy to to like
• 1:00:02
  what was actually going on in 1997 and 1998 that.
• 1:00:07
  We may not have really had any idea about in 1998, or at least
• 1:00:13
  us like the four of us. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  That we were. You only have to wheel it back a
• 1:00:17
  little bit further for like him losing his smile and giving up
• 1:00:20
  the title too. Like it's like this is 2 years
• 1:00:23
  before. Like if that not even.
• 1:00:25
  Yeah, not even a year, right. Yeah, He's like doesn't go to
• 1:00:28
  WrestleMania 13 because of that. Like, so it's a like a little
• 1:00:31
  more than a year before that. Sean, you wonder if.
• 1:00:34
  Is it like a chicken into the egg situation?
• 1:00:36
  Like if he isn't as banged up as he is here, does he go full
• 1:00:41
  like, you know, piece of shit and like going to business for
• 1:00:46
  himself or like, does he give the belt because he knows he's
• 1:00:49
  so hurt? But then you have to figure like
• 1:00:52
  it's the painkillers too that are obviously messy, like great.
• 1:00:56
  Making him the disaster of a human he is at this point.
• 1:00:58
  So there's a lot in the mix there.
• 1:01:00
  It's interesting he's. Coming out and he drops right
• 1:01:03
  into the camera and I'm the effing man.
• 1:01:05
  Like you can read his lips as he's you could hear it too.
• 1:01:09
  But outside of Sean's DX ring gear from DX in your house, this
• 1:01:15
  might be my favorite or second favorite Shawn Michaels ring
• 1:01:18
  gear. I I just love it.
• 1:01:21
  It's the red tights with the the classic Sean Hart with the X
• 1:01:24
  through it. But like you said, I can't
• 1:01:27
  imagine what would have went down had Sean not been hurt
• 1:01:30
  here. You know, I could just I don't
• 1:01:33
  know. This is one of those things
• 1:01:34
  where I watched this match so closely and like knowing what we
• 1:01:39
  know. And like I remember not knowing
• 1:01:42
  any much of this, you know, you knew a little bit like I wasn't
• 1:01:45
  like really reading, you know, we still dial up Internet at the
• 1:01:48
  time. So you weren't reading the the
• 1:01:50
  quote UN quote dirt sheets or our version of it back then.
• 1:01:54
  But I think I will say this after this match and when we got
• 1:01:58
  to college, that's when I really started digging into the rumor
• 1:02:02
  mill because all I wanted was Shawn Michaels back on my TV.
• 1:02:05
  Like that's all I wanted was is he going to come back?
• 1:02:08
  Like when is he going to come back?
• 1:02:09
  And it was just like years and years and years and it, it's.
• 1:02:14
  It's because he's such a peek shit head here, yes, real heel.
• 1:02:19
  And it's because he's who he is. And it comes across like this,
• 1:02:24
  like he's being real, like, like his true self is coming out.
• 1:02:27
  It's not, it's not much to like, like him at this point of his
• 1:02:31
  life, right? So, but you wonder like, DX does
• 1:02:36
  their thing and they go like, take that hard face turn right?
• 1:02:39
  Like, but I think that Michaels can almost still work as a heel.
• 1:02:42
  Like even, you know, maybe without DX though, 'cause like
• 1:02:46
  if they broke off just because of he's almost got that Brett
• 1:02:49
  true heel personality, right? That like that Matt talks about
• 1:02:52
  endlessly and he's right about it and like it's the similar.
• 1:02:55
  They have similar personalities. They are I'm the man right And
• 1:02:59
  it's it's so obvious. It oozes.
• 1:03:02
  From them If Sean, If Sean continued that same 1998
• 1:03:07
  mentality and vibe. You're making a heel.
• 1:03:09
  I would be talking the same thing about Shawn that I do
• 1:03:13
  about Brett being the forever heel.
• 1:03:15
  Even when he was a babyface, he was still a heel.
• 1:03:17
  Sorry I shoehorned that in there, can't see now.
• 1:03:20
  I mean, I've said it many times, this is like, I know he's a Dick
• 1:03:23
  and I know he's going through stuff, but like, this is my
• 1:03:25
  favorite version of Shawn Michaels.
• 1:03:27
  Like like 9897 Shawn Michaels, like it's, it's incredible stuff
• 1:03:32
  what we got out of him. And yeah, it might have hearing
• 1:03:36
  the stories back. It probably sucked working with
• 1:03:39
  the guy and like trying to book him.
• 1:03:40
  But as a fan, like we got like we got, I feel like it's a very
• 1:03:46
  underappreciated heel, you know, because everybody focuses on all
• 1:03:51
  the troubles that the guy went through.
• 1:03:53
  People don't fully appreciate what he was doing out there in
• 1:03:57
  the ring and outside of the ring.
• 1:03:59
  Like it. It's.
• 1:04:00
  I don't know. So let's let's get to the match
• 1:04:02
  after Austin. The match starts.
• 1:04:04
  Austin throws Michaels out of the ring on top of Triple H
• 1:04:07
  Triple H and then attacks. Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  Right. Right to the back.
• 1:04:10
  Immediately. Before we get started, actually,
• 1:04:14
  I know I was disappointed at the time when we when we saw it in
• 1:04:19
  1998. At the time I was disappointed
• 1:04:22
  that Tyson wasn't like the referee.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, that was. A good point the.
• 1:04:27
  Ring enforcer storyline was very weird and I feel like we can
• 1:04:31
  touch on that when we get to the ending.
• 1:04:34
  Who's that? Mike Kyota, right, is the Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Mike Kyota's the ref Tyson's on the outside of the ring, which I
• 1:04:41
  I feel like we kind of assumed he was going to be the referee
• 1:04:45
  or in the ring for this match, which thank God he wasn't maybe
• 1:04:49
  throughout the match. Hilariously, a huge.
• 1:04:51
  Part. But we get that spot where, you
• 1:04:55
  know, Triple H then attacks him from behind, throws him into the
• 1:04:58
  barrier and ref sends Triple H in China to the back,
• 1:05:00
  rightfully. So.
• 1:05:01
  Like, I think it's great that they come out with Sean.
• 1:05:04
  I think it's great that they're there.
• 1:05:06
  It plays to the heat, but then it's also important that they
• 1:05:09
  get sent to the back. You know, everybody loves that
• 1:05:14
  Austin then you know, he's he's not done with Triple H.
• 1:05:17
  He attacks him and and on the DX band stage, which allows Triple
• 1:05:21
  H to attack him from behind. But you, there's so many spots
• 1:05:27
  in this match and say what you want about me, but there's so
• 1:05:31
  many points in this match that I can't help but focus on Sean and
• 1:05:35
  everything he's doing and you, whether he's selling or not.
• 1:05:38
  I don't think he's selling it. I think the guy is in legitimate
• 1:05:41
  pain. Oh, it's facial expressions.
• 1:05:43
  Facial expressions at one point after he takes a certain bump.
• 1:05:46
  Like dude looks like he is struggling to get through this
• 1:05:50
  match. It makes me want to go back and
• 1:05:52
  watch it again because I wasn't focused on that point and should
• 1:05:57
  have been. And maybe I just wasn't thinking
• 1:06:00
  about it. But like this was everything
• 1:06:04
  that you're saying is correct. And but the selling, like in my
• 1:06:08
  notes, the only thing I was saying is like, Sean is selling
• 1:06:11
  only like Sean Kim. Yes, but it feels like it's
• 1:06:14
  real, and it probably was. And not for nothing, Michaels
• 1:06:19
  gets the credit all not credit wherever you want to put it, of
• 1:06:22
  being injured in the smash. But Austin is damaged goods as
• 1:06:25
  well. Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Oh, yeah. Neck is destroyed still, right.
• 1:06:29
  Like so this is not a easy thing to navigate these two I don't
• 1:06:33
  think not. At all.
• 1:06:34
  His knee as well. Yeah, yes, yeah.
• 1:06:37
  But he's openly talking about how like he almost feels like he
• 1:06:40
  needs to tell everyone that he's OK after the neck injury and the
• 1:06:46
  the the spike pile driver from from Owen that broke literally
• 1:06:50
  broke his neck broke. His neck.
• 1:06:51
  So he's not far removed from that.
• 1:06:53
  Because that was, he was on the shelf for a long time and you
• 1:06:56
  know, it's there's not too many matches with him until this.
• 1:06:59
  There's one spot in this match where the fans start chanting
• 1:07:03
  something. I'm assuming something was going
• 1:07:05
  on in the crowd. I know what it is.
• 1:07:07
  Hold on, because do you really know what it?
• 1:07:09
  Is I do? I do.
• 1:07:10
  OK, so before you say what it is because I couldn't figure it
• 1:07:13
  out, she's looking around trying to figure out what it is.
• 1:07:16
  And then even Jr. and King on commentary, King says we're in
• 1:07:19
  Boston. That stupid accent like.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah, you don't. Understand anything they say.
• 1:07:25
  What was it? They're chanting Brandy, Brandy,
• 1:07:28
  Brandy. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:07:31
  Son of a bitch. They're chanting Holyfield.
• 1:07:34
  Holyfield as in Vander? Really.
• 1:07:39
  I looked it up, interesting. So says someone on Reddit.
• 1:07:42
  It tracks though. Listen to it, it makes
• 1:07:44
  interesting. Because they are like Austin and
• 1:07:47
  Michaels are like, what are they chanting, right?
• 1:07:49
  Now and. It seems like one of those
• 1:07:51
  moments when like a fan gets into a fight or gets kicked out
• 1:07:53
  and like everybody shifts their gear over there.
• 1:07:56
  What's interesting though is Sean like flips off the crowd
• 1:07:59
  after the chant so I just assumed it was directed at Sean
• 1:08:03
  but it's direct. He's used to that, yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah, yeah. He probably thinks it is
• 1:08:06
  directed at all. What?
• 1:08:08
  What are they saying so? I'm going to go right into this
• 1:08:11
  match. This match goes 20 minutes and 8
• 1:08:14
  seconds, but I'm going to get right to the end because I I
• 1:08:17
  think we're there at this. Do you want to talk about the
• 1:08:19
  major wedgie that Mike Tyson? Gives.
• 1:08:22
  Austin, before we get to the. Not particularly.
• 1:08:24
  I don't like wedgies. I feel bad for it happening to
• 1:08:27
  Stone Cold. What's really funny is that
• 1:08:29
  Chris Van Fleet just had the big show on this week and he talks
• 1:08:34
  about how he was in a, you know, a live event tour with Austin.
• 1:08:40
  Or maybe it was a dark match, I don't remember exactly.
• 1:08:42
  And he did the exact same thing and gave Austin wedgie as he
• 1:08:48
  went to go throw him in the ring and he talks about how his ass
• 1:08:51
  cheek was blatantly white and like he self or he tans in the
• 1:08:57
  tanning bed but he wears underwear so he had his white
• 1:09:00
  ass cheek And Austin got so pissed off that he threw
• 1:09:04
  haymakers at big show in the ring ringing him on the chin and
• 1:09:08
  was like settle down with a tight show.
• 1:09:12
  Hilarious story tangent, sorry, but we got there.
• 1:09:16
  That's good. Oh man.
• 1:09:17
  So Austin tries to reverse a standing sleeper hold, which
• 1:09:22
  throws Shawn Michaels into the turnbuckle, which takes out Mike
• 1:09:25
  Kiota who is suddenly unconscious.
• 1:09:27
  I think you all know where this is headed.
• 1:09:29
  Both men are on the floor. Somehow.
• 1:09:32
  Shawn Michaels recovers with a Kip up and then lands a a flying
• 1:09:36
  elbow which gets in position for Sweet Chin Music.
• 1:09:40
  As Austin stands up, he ducks the Super kick, attempts a
• 1:09:43
  stunner, and then Michael responds by throwing Austin into
• 1:09:47
  the ropes before once again attempting Sweet Chin Music.
• 1:09:50
  Austin grabs Michael's foot, spins him around and nails him
• 1:09:53
  with a Stone Cold Stunner. Tyson then flies into the ring,
• 1:09:57
  makes a quick three count 123, and there we get a new champion
• 1:10:01
  immediately. It, it was super fast and I
• 1:10:05
  pulled the audio and it's it's a little lengthy because I feel
• 1:10:08
  like it's iconic. It's something that we need to
• 1:10:10
  listen to. But as you are listening to
• 1:10:13
  this, it's not very prominent. But listen to how fast the count
• 1:10:18
  is. I was going for another tip.
• 1:10:20
  Austin by Tyson in Austin at the champion.
• 1:10:27
  Stone cold, stone cold, stone cold.
• 1:10:31
  Wait a minute. The Austin Arrow has begun.
• 1:10:48
  Stone cold. Hey, your journey has been
• 1:10:57
  culminated. Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  So before, before we talk about the ending and the Tyson pin and
• 1:11:03
  Tyson's involvement, I just want to get a few quick things in
• 1:11:06
  there, right. So he he's got the quick three
• 1:11:08
  count. He celebrates with with Austin
• 1:11:14
  the they toss him a Austin 316 shirt.
• 1:11:17
  Then we get the moment where Sean stands up.
• 1:11:19
  He confronts Tyson about his turn.
• 1:11:20
  Why'd you do that? Tyson goes for a quick jab on
• 1:11:23
  Tyson but then he meets him with a punch that instantly knocks
• 1:11:27
  him out. Then Tyson drapes the stone cold
• 1:11:31
  the Austin 316 shirt over Shawn Michaels face.
• 1:11:36
  Now here's the story that I I found interesting and we could
• 1:11:40
  talk about it. What happens after the event?
• 1:11:43
  Sean has no problem doing the job for Stone Cold, but he just
• 1:11:47
  did not want the shirt draped over his face.
• 1:11:51
  Apparently he knew he was going to be like leaving for a while
• 1:11:53
  with the back injury and he had no clue if his career was over
• 1:11:57
  and he didn't want his end of his career being with him in the
• 1:12:00
  middle of the ring with a Austin 316 shirt draped over his face.
• 1:12:05
  So that's where the infamous press conference after which
• 1:12:09
  we'll talk about a little bit. They're there, but Michael's
• 1:12:14
  become so heated as he hears the press conference going on.
• 1:12:18
  He's half dressed. He's got his tights on and a
• 1:12:21
  button down shirt, probably with the European collar.
• 1:12:25
  And he interrupts the press conference And you can't really
• 1:12:29
  find it out there that the part where he interrupts, it's kind
• 1:12:33
  of like out not out there at all in the Internet.
• 1:12:36
  Wow. Apparently he comes in there,
• 1:12:39
  interrupts the two of them as people are trying to get there.
• 1:12:42
  He tries to moon the crowd. He's he's just pissed like this
• 1:12:45
  is not. I agreed to do the job.
• 1:12:47
  I did the job and now you're doing the one thing I said don't
• 1:12:51
  do. And they draped the the the
• 1:12:53
  shirt over his face and he's pissed.
• 1:12:56
  Rightfully still have that WrestleMania 14 tape.
• 1:12:58
  I don't think I have it anymore and I watched the press
• 1:13:01
  conference many times for and I do remember there being a bit of
• 1:13:06
  a ruckus. That's what it is.
• 1:13:09
  It's like the Coliseum home video and I can't find it on the
• 1:13:12
  Internet. I found like a on an image
• 1:13:15
  search or something. I saw you can see like a picture
• 1:13:18
  of Sean with the button down on but other than that I could not
• 1:13:21
  find anything else. I will be texting Tom tomorrow
• 1:13:25
  so he can, but I did pull the audio because of Shawn Michaels
• 1:13:30
  taking that punch from Mike Tyson because again, another
• 1:13:33
  iconic, iconic piece of work from WrestleMania 14.
• 1:13:37
  Michael. It's something Tyson Michael
• 1:13:40
  standing up for the baddest man on the planet.
• 1:13:51
  Right hand, Tyson, Tyson Tyson, right hand.
• 1:13:56
  There goes Michael. The production of the glass
• 1:14:03
  break happening right after the punch.
• 1:14:05
  Like chef's kiss. This was so so awesome.
• 1:14:09
  I I I love these two guys. I love Sean and Austin.
• 1:14:15
  They're in my personal Mount Rushmore of professional
• 1:14:18
  wrestlers for totally different reasons.
• 1:14:22
  But this ending just, it makes no sense.
• 1:14:26
  Like why all of a sudden does Tyson flip the switch?
• 1:14:30
  Like it's never? I don't know.
• 1:14:32
  It's so weird to me. Like the whole thing, it never
• 1:14:35
  made sense back in 1998. It it still doesn't make sense
• 1:14:39
  the way it plays out. What were we supposed to believe
• 1:14:41
  that Austin was like, met like in a year?
• 1:14:44
  Austin, of all people, that's. Not what he was shit if.
• 1:14:47
  Anybody has his back and he says basically says that in the press
• 1:14:51
  conference. That was the same thing.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. In the press conference, Tyson
• 1:14:55
  comes in and was like, yeah, we had this plan the whole time.
• 1:14:57
  I went down to Victoria, TX and I had a conversation with Stone
• 1:15:00
  Cold and you know, this is, or I think he calls him Steve at this
• 1:15:04
  point because we all know what's coming next.
• 1:15:06
  But like, and he's saying that we had this plan the whole time,
• 1:15:10
  but I found it very strange that he kept the DX shirt on the
• 1:15:14
  entire like it made for another. Like obviously in the last
• 1:15:18
  couple of episodes we've covered the Monday night Raws leading up
• 1:15:21
  to this and the the WWF shirt that he had on and Shawn
• 1:15:25
  Michaels ripping it off to expose the DX shirt like it was
• 1:15:28
  tailor made to do that again with this with this Austin 316
• 1:15:33
  shirt. But they just went a different
• 1:15:34
  path. But it's weird, like they could
• 1:15:36
  have even had like at some point, like Sean provoking Tyson
• 1:15:40
  or like there was no none of that, none of like Sean, like
• 1:15:44
  get out of my way, like doing anything to piss off Tyson,
• 1:15:48
  leading Tyson to kind of turn on him.
• 1:15:51
  It was just it was bizarre to me.
• 1:15:53
  Like, it's fine. It is what it is.
• 1:15:55
  But I thought the match was a lot of fun.
• 1:15:58
  I thought there was a lot of good spots.
• 1:16:00
  I thought like the storytelling in the match made sense.
• 1:16:03
  It was to me like you're dealing with a guy who's really messed
• 1:16:08
  up with with Sean, which we talked about plenty and they
• 1:16:13
  did. They worked well together, you
• 1:16:15
  know, like they had very good chemistry, I thought.
• 1:16:18
  But like the the ending just is so strange to me and such like a
• 1:16:22
  rush job. Exactly.
• 1:16:25
  To me the ending felt rushed between the like just coming out
• 1:16:29
  of nowhere. The ref.
• 1:16:31
  Obviously the ref bump is is necessary here.
• 1:16:34
  Mike Kyoto going down, he takes 3 gnarly shots in the corner and
• 1:16:38
  he's taken out. It's funny because even again in
• 1:16:41
  that press conference, Tyson talks about how I'm on parole.
• 1:16:45
  I didn't knock down a ref. Tyson's so like, gentle with him
• 1:16:48
  too. Like pulling him out of the ring
• 1:16:50
  like. Holding gently places him down
• 1:16:53
  on the on the mat, he says. But it just happens very quick,
• 1:16:57
  including the 123 and it just, I don't know that's the one piece
• 1:17:01
  that like. Agreed.
• 1:17:02
  Brings it to like whap whap whap.
• 1:17:06
  It just makes no sense. It makes no sense whatsoever the
• 1:17:09
  way they present it. I think you.
• 1:17:11
  Bring up a really astute point of the fact that, like, there
• 1:17:13
  was no teasing of it throughout the match and there was nothing
• 1:17:17
  in either direction. Like Austin, I'm sorry.
• 1:17:20
  Tyson comes in and says that he's going to be, you know, down
• 1:17:23
  the middle. He's going to call it down the
• 1:17:24
  middle. He doesn't call shit first 1st.
• 1:17:28
  Of all. Is he just, he tosses Austin in
• 1:17:32
  the ring and there's one interaction where Austin, like
• 1:17:35
  gives him a little hand of like, get out of my way, move that.
• 1:17:39
  Other than that, Tyson does nothing on the outside.
• 1:17:42
  They could have just like leading up to this whole thing,
• 1:17:46
  they never had to have him align with DX essentially.
• 1:17:49
  Like they could have just had him go biting heads.
• 1:17:52
  I think that would have made it work, right?
• 1:17:54
  He never joins DX, he he's just provoked by Austin.
• 1:17:59
  Week after week after week. They butt heads.
• 1:18:01
  They butt heads you think he's going to go against.
• 1:18:03
  But in hindsight he's more annoyed with yeah, he respects
• 1:18:07
  him. He's more disgusted and pissed
• 1:18:10
  off and annoyed by D XS antics and DX trying to get him on
• 1:18:13
  their side. I don't know, to me that would
• 1:18:15
  have been a more interesting way to tell.
• 1:18:17
  This this is also one of the reasons Triple H kind of breaks
• 1:18:24
  off from Sean too, though maybe that was like a little bit to do
• 1:18:28
  with it. They knew Sean was leaving and
• 1:18:31
  this was like to get that to get to there.
• 1:18:35
  I still think it's so wild and it it gets to the heart of this
• 1:18:39
  match and the issues with it. Like Austin was molten lava hot
• 1:18:43
  here, as hot as you could be, right?
• 1:18:45
  Like on the insane trajectory, like insane.
• 1:18:50
  And they kind of sideline them a little here, right?
• 1:18:53
  Like it's it's more about Mike Tyson.
• 1:18:55
  I mean, the promo package is all about Tyson and the Tyson stuff
• 1:18:58
  is fun. But like you've got this guy,
• 1:19:01
  like Matt, you got something to say?
• 1:19:03
  What? What?
• 1:19:04
  Because Tyson is so important to the history of wrestling and,
• 1:19:09
  you know, I'm kind of. Mundane.
• 1:19:11
  Exactly where I was headed. I'm kind of burying the lead a
• 1:19:14
  little bit as where I wanted to talk about this when we get to
• 1:19:17
  my like kind of overall cans in the cooler.
• 1:19:20
  What? So I'll talk about it again.
• 1:19:22
  But the Mike Tyson involvement in WrestleMania 14 is so earth
• 1:19:27
  shattering, game changing. Just change the the trajectory
• 1:19:33
  of the business because WCW didn't get him and WWF did.
• 1:19:38
  And between Tyson bringing all those eyeballs of the casual fan
• 1:19:43
  of the non wrestling fan to however you want to say it.
• 1:19:47
  Combining that with the white hot level of of attention that
• 1:19:54
  Stone Cold Steve Austin was getting at this point and the
• 1:19:57
  bowing out of Shawn Michaels like this changed the Monday
• 1:20:01
  Night wars. This changed everything from it
• 1:20:04
  changed the the the needle from the WCW side over to the WWF
• 1:20:08
  side. And this is so important in the
• 1:20:10
  history of the business. And it becomes even more
• 1:20:12
  important in the history of the business because the story is
• 1:20:15
  always told from the perspective of the winner, right?
• 1:20:18
  So Vince McMahon gets to go out there and tell the story that he
• 1:20:21
  wants to tell about how they won the war, and that all comes.
• 1:20:26
  Back to Mike Tyson to me. Let's give you cans in the
• 1:20:33
  cooler since we've talked. Plenty about the match.
• 1:20:36
  First match cans in the cooler match.
• 1:20:39
  Cans is cooler, yes. I'm going four and a quarter and
• 1:20:42
  you guys talked me down from 4 1/2.
• 1:20:44
  I originally had 4 1/2 talked talked about here, but you guys
• 1:20:47
  are pointing out just the fuckery of the finish and the
• 1:20:51
  the disconnection of the story and how it could have been
• 1:20:54
  better. So I'm going to bring it down to
• 1:20:56
  four and 1/4. Fair.
• 1:20:58
  I'll take a 3.5. I think the injuries hamper it.
• 1:21:00
  I think the storytelling is not great.
• 1:21:02
  I want to see Austin like it should be about Austin despite
• 1:21:06
  the Monday Night Wars stuff. Yeah, I just, I think it's it's
• 1:21:12
  a good match. It's just not it's not a great
• 1:21:13
  match. It could be It's not as good as
• 1:21:16
  the best Austin matches. Austin comes to mind.
• 1:21:18
  It's not as good as the best Michaels matches and you would
• 1:21:21
  love to see these two in a five star classic, but this just
• 1:21:24
  isn't it. And it's not a four either.
• 1:21:26
  I don't. Think and you're removed from
• 1:21:27
  that Austin Brett match. Exactly.
• 1:21:29
  Exactly. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:21:32
  I don't want to give it a four. I don't.
• 1:21:37
  I don't think I want to go as low as a 3.5 either.
• 1:21:39
  So give me 3 and 3/4 of a can. The last little sip left, you
• 1:21:46
  know, got. A little too warm for you to
• 1:21:48
  finish. Yeah, it's it, it's it.
• 1:21:51
  But yeah, just. It's.
• 1:21:54
  A lot of stuff to like and there was just we mentioned all this
• 1:21:59
  stuff that like the Tyson of it all and the ending just it's
• 1:22:08
  lacking something. Yeah, the abrupt ending.
• 1:22:12
  I'm, I'm not as distracted by the Shawn Michaels injuries as
• 1:22:17
  you guys are and maybe I just like wasn't front of mind for me
• 1:22:20
  as I was. Goes hard he goes hard he.
• 1:22:22
  Sells his ass. He does?
• 1:22:23
  Yeah. He feels like Shawn.
• 1:22:26
  To me, OK, so I I give this four cans in the cooler and I think I
• 1:22:31
  focus so much on the injury because it it legitimately as a
• 1:22:38
  wrestling fan, like it crushed me.
• 1:22:40
  Like I was so bummed out that this guy like wasn't coming back
• 1:22:45
  like we thought it was done like I thought for for years that
• 1:22:49
  this guy was done like and my favorite wrestler it was he's
• 1:22:53
  over right now. Like especially this is peak
• 1:22:56
  Shawn Michaels, as I've said a bazillion times, beaten to the I
• 1:22:59
  thought it was over with. So that's why watching it back,
• 1:23:02
  I couldn't help but focus on the injury and like whether he was
• 1:23:07
  selling it or putting it over the top, like, I don't know.
• 1:23:10
  I I think the Tyson ending for me always has always since since
• 1:23:15
  March 29th, 1999. It's always kind of rubbed me
• 1:23:18
  the wrong way and how abrupt it happens and why, like the
• 1:23:22
  reasoning never made sense. So that's why.
• 1:23:24
  But again, it's hard for me. These guys are two of my
• 1:23:28
  favorites. It's one of the rare matches
• 1:23:29
  they have together, you know, so that makes it special.
• 1:23:33
  So for me it's four and even 4 because I enjoyed it. 20
• 1:23:37
  minutes, man, They go hard and there's a lot of different in
• 1:23:41
  and outs of the ring that happens.
• 1:23:44
  It's it's a lot of fun. Introductions are fantastic,
• 1:23:46
  yes. It didn't feel like 20 minutes.
• 1:23:49
  No, it did not. It did not at all, yes.
• 1:23:52
  Which is kind of a sign of a great match in my yes.
• 1:23:55
  Agree. A difference from the previous
• 1:23:57
  match. Yes, yes.
• 1:23:58
  So let's go and take a step back and look at Part 1 and 2.
• 1:24:03
  The press conference. Before we get to or, you want
• 1:24:05
  to? Get to the press conference.
• 1:24:06
  OK. I apologize.
• 1:24:07
  Have to talk about the press conference and this is like
• 1:24:12
  very, very 2025. I think we can say here of like
• 1:24:17
  what a press conference in 2025 looks like They have the
• 1:24:20
  wrestling media there and I had to go find it and there's a
• 1:24:23
  really shitty version of it on YouTube, but I found one-on-one
• 1:24:27
  of those, you know, give your computer a virus sites that will
• 1:24:32
  stream things. So I found it there and Austin
• 1:24:35
  is talking about a question that was asked of him of like, hey,
• 1:24:39
  if you were to face off against Mike Tyson, you know, is there
• 1:24:44
  any animosity there anymore? And let's just take a listen.
• 1:24:47
  Not be any animosity right now, but you've got to remember this.
• 1:24:50
  Anytime anybody, not just you, anytime anybody steps foot in
• 1:24:54
  the WWF ring, that's my ring. So you're damn right there is
• 1:24:58
  going to be some animosity. It don't matter what your name
• 1:25:00
  is, That's just the way it is with me.
• 1:25:03
  I agree it's been said he has spoken Cold Stone.
• 1:25:12
  Stone cold. And that's the bottom line I.
• 1:25:18
  Think that was done on purpose or is that just Tyson?
• 1:25:22
  Think that's just Tyson, Yeah. And.
• 1:25:28
  I do have to say that it will forever be in the board and we
• 1:25:32
  will forever call Stone Cold Steve Austin Cold Stone.
• 1:25:36
  That's one of those moments that Mikey Workrate in 1998 made us
• 1:25:41
  watch over and over again on the Coliseum home video.
• 1:25:45
  But. I watched that a billion times
• 1:25:47
  in college. A billion times.
• 1:25:51
  It's. But the best part is, like
• 1:25:53
  Austin throughout, it plays a badass and just a straight.
• 1:25:57
  Face through somebody's like stone cold.
• 1:25:59
  Like God damn it man. Yeah, like you broke me.
• 1:26:02
  It's like an SNL skit. I love, I love Mike Tyson's
• 1:26:05
  expression when he's like the the shot when like Austin's
• 1:26:08
  talking and shit and like Tyson's like this.
• 1:26:10
  Guy. 'S for this guy's serious right
• 1:26:13
  now. Oh man, you wish that part was
• 1:26:17
  like on on whatever we're watching these days, the network
• 1:26:21
  will refer to it as forever, but.
• 1:26:23
  Yeah. Let's give this whole
• 1:26:25
  pay-per-view WrestleMania 14 cans and the cooler.
• 1:26:27
  I have not prepared my thoughts right now, so maybe I'll let one
• 1:26:30
  of you guys influence. Me, I, I kind of already gave my
• 1:26:33
  spiel, so I'm happy to go 1st. I'm going four and a quarter and
• 1:26:36
  a lot. Of things.
• 1:26:37
  On the whole thing, and yes, that's what I gave the main.
• 1:26:40
  It was originally a 4 1/2, but four and a quarter is where I've
• 1:26:43
  landed. And it has a lot to do with the
• 1:26:46
  fact that I really enjoyed the card front to back.
• 1:26:49
  I feel like there isn't anything that really jumped off the page
• 1:26:52
  of like this was a shit show. I didn't enjoy watching this.
• 1:26:55
  Even the Mark Marrow Sable situation felt like it was
• 1:26:58
  something that was worth watching.
• 1:27:00
  So for me, the entirety felt good.
• 1:27:03
  It felt good to just kind of cruise through it.
• 1:27:06
  It feels so important to the history of the business.
• 1:27:09
  And that's where I started talking about before.
• 1:27:11
  That's why I'm volunteering to go first here.
• 1:27:13
  But not only just the Austin and Michaels and Tyson of it all,
• 1:27:18
  but it just feels like it's it's that turning of generations or
• 1:27:24
  turning of errors that feels so damn important.
• 1:27:27
  And yeah, this is the turning point of the war.
• 1:27:30
  So I'm going with the four and 1/4.
• 1:27:32
  Cold Stone you guys got I'm at a four.
• 1:27:37
  I think this card like is a classic.
• 1:27:41
  The sum is the hole is greater than the sum of its parts right?
• 1:27:44
  I'll set right, but it's singular.
• 1:27:47
  It feels like this WrestleMania has a vibe.
• 1:27:49
  What and while I don't think like the highs are very high,
• 1:27:52
  the lows aren't very low either. And it but it just kind of all
• 1:27:55
  works together and it absolutely feels like the dawn of a new
• 1:27:58
  era. And it did at the time too.
• 1:28:00
  And it's not just looking back and thinking that like some of
• 1:28:03
  the WrestleMania of that era. 15 and 16 kind of same vibe. 17
• 1:28:06
  through 19 feel this all the same.
• 1:28:08
  Right with this is like its own thing and super unique and it's
• 1:28:13
  I, I don't I don't know how many times we'll go back and watch a
• 1:28:15
  single match, but I like the idea of watching the whole thing
• 1:28:18
  as. Yeah, it's like 2 hours and 45
• 1:28:21
  minutes. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:28:22
  It's not bad. They're even forcing the issue
• 1:28:25
  and we didn't really talk about them, but there's 2 like promo
• 1:28:29
  videos, commercials that's. Yes, they're nice.
• 1:28:31
  They're good. WWF Attitude glassy 1, the
• 1:28:34
  glassy 1 and it's just, and I'm sure like I have 8 seconds.
• 1:28:38
  Let's take a listen because you will recognize it.
• 1:28:41
  And it feels like a don't try this at home, but it's really
• 1:28:44
  about the changing of the guard. Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  I know what you're thinking. I'm not a real athlete.
• 1:28:50
  I'm. Just a wrestler.
• 1:28:55
  And and that's all I took because there's a lot more that
• 1:28:58
  we could have played from that, but it it's they're forcing our
• 1:29:01
  hand of thinking of like everything's changing.
• 1:29:06
  No. Is this?
• 1:29:07
  I completely agree. Mike, what did you give this?
• 1:29:10
  I also gave it a four cans for the whole entire WrestleMania.
• 1:29:18
  So you know, it's great. There's no really you guys said
• 1:29:23
  it all already, like there's no really low lows.
• 1:29:26
  There's no really high highs, but it's it's you know, the sum
• 1:29:29
  of its parts. It's it's solid really all the
• 1:29:32
  way through. It's probably not one of my top
• 1:29:36
  five manias, right? That's why can't go higher than
• 1:29:39
  a four, but it's probably in my top 10.
• 1:29:44
  So I'll leave it at that. I it's, yeah, it's like upper
• 1:29:48
  third upper, you know? I agree.
• 1:29:51
  And to like go back to what Matt, what you were saying with
• 1:29:53
  like the Attitude era and those those little quick promos.
• 1:29:56
  If you notice, they've they're still using like the old WWF
• 1:30:01
  logo throughout this, even though I think the scratch logo
• 1:30:05
  is becoming present. Yeah.
• 1:30:07
  'Cause it's on the T-shirts and things.
• 1:30:09
  Yeah, it's on the T-shirts, but it's not like in the
• 1:30:11
  turnbuckles. The turnbuckles all have the old
• 1:30:13
  logo on it, so it's an interesting.
• 1:30:15
  Eagle is about to. Yeah, bye, bye in our next.
• 1:30:18
  Episode. We'll get there.
• 1:30:20
  You still get a it's 93, it's WrestleMania song in there.
• 1:30:23
  To me, this is I'm I'm with you guys.
• 1:30:26
  I gave this four cans cooler. I think Mike, you said it well,
• 1:30:28
  it's not necessarily in my top five, but it's probably in my
• 1:30:31
  top ten. But this is kind of like this is
• 1:30:37
  a hits a peak for me in, in my opinion, it's it's kind of like
• 1:30:41
  what we just recently experienced at WrestleMania with
• 1:30:45
  Cody finishing the story like and the end of the bloodline
• 1:30:50
  story like this was that peak. And then it kind of goes.
• 1:30:53
  Downhill. Like slowly after this like and,
• 1:30:57
  and, and we could really unravel that as we watch a little bit
• 1:31:00
  more. But like, it's hard to keep
• 1:31:03
  going, right? Like you can't keep going up.
• 1:31:05
  At some point you have to start to come down and.
• 1:31:09
  That's really a a like the best way to put it that is it is the
• 1:31:12
  end of like a mini era almost right.
• 1:31:14
  It's like they won and now like after this, it's like the the
• 1:31:19
  spoils, like they haven't won yet, but like right, but you
• 1:31:22
  know, like it's. It's different.
• 1:31:23
  They're back and and again. Everybody loves.
• 1:31:25
  Everybody loves when someone chases a guy like Austin is
• 1:31:29
  chasing a title, just like everybody.
• 1:31:31
  A lot of people, whether you like him or not, we're into Cody
• 1:31:34
  ending the whole, like Roman, his run, like, you know, it's
• 1:31:40
  something you're into. You want to see the changing
• 1:31:42
  record. Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  But then when it happens, it's like what?
• 1:31:44
  Are you doing now? Yeah.
• 1:31:46
  And that's what they deal with essentially till like the build
• 1:31:49
  to WrestleMania 17. Like if you think about
• 1:31:52
  WrestleMania, what 2000 like and 15 like, they're not really
• 1:31:56
  memorable in my opinion. Like nothing.
• 1:31:59
  Especially 16, right? So I don't know that that's the
• 1:32:03
  way I think of it. But again, like you guys have
• 1:32:05
  said over and over again, the whole card as a whole, 2 hours,
• 1:32:09
  40 minutes, whatever, you know, it's it's a good watch from
• 1:32:13
  front to end. It's cool because you really see
• 1:32:16
  the tide completely turn. And I think I got to be honest,
• 1:32:19
  it makes me completely interested in what we're going
• 1:32:23
  to cover next because our next episode is the Raw after
• 1:32:27
  WrestleMania, which to me is like is what easily top five, if
• 1:32:33
  not number one most iconic Raw after Mania because of that
• 1:32:36
  turning of the tide in the. Yeah, it's an absolute turn of
• 1:32:39
  the page. Like, all right, here's the next
• 1:32:41
  chapter. Right.
• 1:32:42
  And and it's the. To me, it's the first Raw after
• 1:32:46
  Mania that like Get should be billed as raw after Mania.
• 1:32:50
  So that's that's what we're going to be covering next
• 1:32:52
  episode and I'm excited for it. Because Matt just had the winged
• 1:32:55
  eagle on his shoulder and this is kind of the swan song for the
• 1:32:58
  winged eagle, right? Like it's out right after this
• 1:33:01
  and Austin, you know, say what? Like you know, all time great
• 1:33:04
  love Austin but man he gets that big belt 1st and then the less
• 1:33:09
  that said the better about smoking some skull.
• 1:33:12
  Yeah, people love it. I think the strap make leather
• 1:33:16
  on it was awesome. The smoking skull on the front
• 1:33:19
  and whatever. Just didn't look collegiate, I'm
• 1:33:21
  sorry. So yeah, it's hard.
• 1:33:24
  Everything pales in comparison. Like personal title, Like you're
• 1:33:27
  giving the Yankees a title. Right.
• 1:33:30
  Yeah, just no, no, thank you. So thank you guys for tuning in
• 1:33:35
  to to our Part 1 and Part 2 of WrestleMania 14.
• 1:33:39
  We appreciate you guys listening to us on the Road to
• 1:33:42
  WrestleMania. I know there's so much content
• 1:33:44
  out there right now as we build. So we appreciate you guys diving
• 1:33:49
  into the nostalgia, which is what we love to do.
• 1:33:52
  So again, next episode, we're covering the Raw after
• 1:33:55
  WrestleMania 14 and we hope you guys join us for that.
• 1:33:59
  It will not be Part 3 of Tom Brandy, I promise.
• 1:34:03
  If you want more extra cooler again episode 180 undercard gems
• 1:34:09
  of WrestleMania undercard gems go back relive some of the stuff
• 1:34:12
  that you may not think of as the first thing that you think of
• 1:34:15
  with when you when you're going back to WrestleMania nostalgia.
• 1:34:19
  Yeah, I'm going to put a little WrestleMania extra cooler show,
• 1:34:23
  WrestleMania playlist together. I did it last year of all our
• 1:34:26
  episodes, so I'll put that together.
• 1:34:28
  I'll post that on Discord. I'll post it on on Instagram and
• 1:34:32
  social so enjoy it if you guys want and.
• 1:34:35
  WrestleMania 9 Giant Gonzalez match.
• 1:34:37
  Highly recommend. He's not lying, that's what he's
• 1:34:40
  talking. About WrestleMania 8 is a good
• 1:34:42
  one. Yeah, yeah, they're all doing
• 1:34:44
  this a while. So cheers, guys.
• 1:34:46
  We appreciate you. I'll say it again and we look
• 1:34:49
  forward to next episode. See.
• 1:34:51
  You ladies and gentlemen. Will you ever forget
• 1:34:57
  WrestleMania 14?