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#193 - Debora Masterson - Author · The Chris and Mike Show

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It's still relevant today lyrically, which is crazy.
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Chris, Chris, are you a drummer? No, I was a singer.
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Singer. I'm a singer.
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I'm a guitar player, obviously. And he's a guitar player.
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What do you play my guitar? I play guitar do.
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You guys listen to the Freedom Quest music at all?
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No, but I'm going to now on your recommendation.
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My brother had a band like this I remember back in the day.
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Yeah. Nice.
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It's a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun.
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He was a lot of fun. Yeah, that was this guy.
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Yeah, it was a lot of fun swinging from Raptors and
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getting the crowd riled up. You know where my extrovert in
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this shined? Yeah.
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Hey, boys and girls, welcome to the Christian Mike Show.
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I'm Chris. He's Mike.
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And with us today is Deborah Masterson.
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She's super cool. She has an amazing life resume.
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No, thank you. Welcome, Vietnam.
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We're on an elevator 30 floors up with Deborah Masterson.
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She's going to tell us why she's here, what she's all about, and
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then we're going to dive into just a fantastic conversation
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with this woman who has just an absolute amazing life resume.
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You ready, Deborah? Yeah.
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I'm ready go all. Right.
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Oh my gosh. Well, the reason I'm here is
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because I wrote a book which I never thought I would do, but I
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did. And so it's called Freedom
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Quest. There it is.
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Woohoo, nice freedom. Quest a love, a love story.
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And yeah, I mean, I, I don't know how much you want me to
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talk about my career. I mean, I've done a lot of
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things. You could talk you.
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I know, I know you have that's Yeah, I know you have.
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That's why when I I kind of gave Mike the summary, 'cause you
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really have a really cool life resume.
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So this conversation goes however you want to go with it.
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So you want to talk about your book, We'll talk about your
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book. You want to talk about going
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from Elliot to Chicago, We can talk about that.
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We'll talk about your music. We can talk about the new book
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you're writing. Anything you want, Deborah,
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Anything sounds. Good, The world is your oyster.
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Well, yeah, so I, you know, everybody asked me, oh, you
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know, was writing a book like something you you had, you know,
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on your wanted to do for the for your whole life.
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And this is, you know, like, and actually, no, I never thought I
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would write a book, but kind of looking at my background, it
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makes sense. I love to read.
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My whole life I was a dancer and French major, so I had a double
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major all the way through school.
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I started studying French when I was 12.
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What kind of dance? And all, all kinds of dance.
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I mean, I started when I was 7 with tap and ballet.
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I took ballet my whole time, you know, when I was dancing.
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I don't dance anymore, but yeah, I so, but I, I, but I always
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love to sing. So I, I grew up in a very
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musical family. My dad played classical piano.
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And also all of the standards, you know, the pop songs.
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And my mom was a singer. She wanted to be a singer, but
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the world, the end of World War 2, her mom ended up getting
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divorced and her only brother died in Iwo Jima.
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So she had to go to work and help her mom out.
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So it was just the two of them at that point.
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And so, you know, she wasn't able to pursue this musical
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career she wanted to do. But you know what?
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My dad had all these records 'cause he was a radio announcer.
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After the war, he was in New Caledonia.
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And then he came back to Hollywood and he started out as
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a radio announcer. And he back in the day, they
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used to, like, they were able to cut records at the studio.
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And really, yeah. So my brother and I inherited a
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bunch of records from my dad. And some of them were just
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records that he used on his shows and stuff.
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But we found my brother was listening to them one day.
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And he goes, Oh my God, we have a record of Mom singing with a
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big band in Long Beach. Right on.
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It was so great, and the only way we knew it was her was
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because at the end of the song the announcer goes and that was
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Adele Masterson singing and mighty fine, mighty fine.
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I mean, we're talking in 19. 30. 3535.
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Wow, that's. 1935. That's so cool.
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So came up grew up with a in a in a musical family.
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You know, I remember we'd all hang out around the piano and,
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and we'd sing, you know, my dad would play and we'd all sing.
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And then my mom, God rest her soul, she would sing the harmony
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in my ear. And she would sing the hard
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parts, the hard, you know, like 3 part harmony with stuff.
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And she would sing it in my ear. And so I became a really good,
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really good at harmony singing it, which is my favorite.
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I love singing with other people in groups, you know, like 3 or 4
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part harmony. So, yeah, so.
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So then, you know, I started dancing.
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Well, I started dancing when I was young.
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Yeah. Basically, you know, my parents
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gave me dance lessons so that I would be graceful enough to get
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a husband. So that's.
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That's totally the sign of the times back then, right?
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Because that was absolutely. I was born in 1950.
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Oh, right on. Oh, you had a that's a great
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21st 20 years of a life to live. Right, that's a great year
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because that's the year my parents were born.
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Yeah. Wow, that's awesome.
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My my brother's got guitar less got music lessons.
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But I they would, they didn't want their only daughter hanging
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out with musicians. Yeah, of course I had to become
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graceful to get a, a husband. So unfortunately I didn't get
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music lessons. But I, I, so I, I went into
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dancing, but I realized I had, I loved to sing, so I couldn't
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Just Dance. So I thought musical theaters
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for me where I could dance and sing.
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So I went into musical theatre and that's how I ended up on the
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road with Sammy Davis Junior, right?
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So. Let's talk about that.
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Let's talk about Sammy. Because Sammy, Sammy picked you
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specifically, right? Yeah, well, I was hired, you
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know, through the, the production company, you know,
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Sammy and Hillard Elkins, and they had this show called Sammy
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Stops the World. It was in 1978.
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And I that I was the least prepared for that audition of
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any audition I had been to. And I, that's what I did.
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I mean, I got, I went to auditions and then I, you know,
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did the show. And then the show would end and
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I'd think, Oh my God, I'm never going to work again.
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I'm going to get that. And, you know, I was going to
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all these, you know, yeah. And and so anyway, I was, I was,
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I would go up to on Hollywood Blvd.
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I, I grew up in LA, Hollywood Blvd. pick up the magazine,
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casting call magazine every week.
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And I go through and I jot down all the auditions.
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And so, you know, I think it was a Monday morning and I go up
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there and get the casting call. I get back in my car and I'm
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kind of leafing through it and I'm see Sammy Davis Junior
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audition for Sammy Stops the World in two hours.
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I'm like, Oh my God, I got to be there.
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So I ran home and showered real quick, went back and truly I was
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the least prepared for that audition of any auditions I had
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ever been to. And I cut the job.
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And I think that that's that's a good lesson to learn.
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You know, it's like I went in there casually.
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You know, it's like, how old are you at?
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This point. I was 27.
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I was towards the end of my career.
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I I finally after after that, yeah, yeah.
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I mean dancers, you know, doesn't.
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Oh yeah, yeah, that's definitely so hard on the.
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Body young person's game. Well, yeah, and you know, it's
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like you can't do what you used to do.
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I mean, by the time you're 3035 years old, you usually dancers
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are like, OK, what am I going to do now?
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You know, same thing with gymnasts and athletes.
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So high, high end athletes, you know.
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So anyway, yeah, so I, I walked in and I'm like the what do you
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they either go, what do you want to sing?
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I'm like, I don't know, summertime in the QC, you know,
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and I was so casual about it. I think that helped.
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Too that they, Oh yeah, I'm sure didn't.
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Do this, you know, Anyway, I, it was in a very heady experience
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on the road. We were on the road for four
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months in San Diego, LA, Chicago.
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My first time in Chicago, 1978. So how was, how was, how was
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Chicago? How was Chicago back in the 70s?
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Well, I was, I was only there, you know what, couple weeks or
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something like that. I remember I stayed in a hotel
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and I used to jog on lake. Now you guys are in Arizona, is
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that right? I'm in Arizona, Yeah, Mikes in
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Illinois. And where?
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I'm in central Illinois, around Peoria in Illinois.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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All right. And I'm in Arizona.
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I'm in Arizona, yeah. OK, yeah, I knew.
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That's the desert behind me. We're about an hour east of
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Peoria. You're hour east of what?
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Peoria. Peoria, OK, I'm kind of I'm
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starting to get my bearings. You know, I I've been here.
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It'll be 3 years, May 30th. I'm I'm in Rogers Park.
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OK, so I'm about two hours South of you.
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South, OK. Straight down 55.
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OK. OK, great.
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Got it. Yeah.
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See, so you guys can go have lunch together sometime.
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Sure. If I'm ever around Chicago,
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we're going to do that. Please do.
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I'm, I'm up in Rogers Park. I love it up here.
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It's great. Lot of lot of music, a lot of
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artists. It's writers.
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You know, it's great. Yeah.
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Anyway, so, yeah. So, you know, I ended up on the
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Sammy Davis Junior tour and we were at Lincoln Center.
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Are you kidding me? We we got to dance.
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Fantastic it. Was amazing.
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Yeah, it was amazing. And then I so, you know, I
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should back up and talk a little bit about prior to that so that
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that happened towards the end of my career.
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But the Freedom Quest book is really the story.
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It's like I said, it's a love story and it's about me and my
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first boyfriend and I met him when I was 15.
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And it's really his story because he was such a unusual he
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had such an unconventional, crazy, crazy life that his story
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really had to be told. At 15, he had a crazy life.
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No, I met him when I was 15. Right.
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But this is the story of his life.
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But it happens to be I'm in it too.
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Because we're so. We're so.
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Part of his life, right? All right, I got you.
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I I'm calling it a novel based on a true story, though it
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change all the names except for some, you know, people that I
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mean, you know, but Pop, what would you say?
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Well known figures, you know, that that have their names
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stayed. But other than that,
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everybody's. But I met him when I was 15.
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He was my brother's guitar teacher.
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Nice. So, yeah.
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So how old was he? How, how, how?
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How old? How old is he?
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You were 15. How old was he?
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He was 18. OK, OK, let's see why I went
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there. Well, but see back then it but
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back. I went down that road.
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Myself. It really was Deborah, right?
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You're right. That's right.
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Yeah. Back then, it wasn't that big a
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deal. Now you go to jail.
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I mean. Oh, yeah.
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Really different now. Really different.
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In fact, that was one of the notes I kept getting on this, on
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this book was like, I'm, I'm I'm afraid for Grace.
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What's happening? He's, you know, she's with this
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older man and I'm like, I, I didn't get it.
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But anyway, I fixed it. I fixed the problem.
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But so we met. He was my brother's guitar
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teacher. So the way that happened was my
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brother on the way home from school one day.
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He was in junior high, middle school, stopped in at the local
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music store and was introduced to Craig Ingram, who's the
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Michael in the book. And he's got a big, giant
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bandage on his arm. And Michael says, whoa, man,
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what happened to your arm? And he goes, oh, my big sister
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did it. So he decided he had to give
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lessons over at the house instead of at the music store
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because he wanted to meet me. I found out about this later, of
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course. So anyway, it was, it was love
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at first sight. I fell in love with him.
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He, he was extremely talented. I mean, just an incredible
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guitar player, knew all the words to all the songs.
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I think I he had, he had what's called hypophonegia.
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He was able to remember anything he heard, which was this thing.
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Yeah. And so we used to call him Mr.
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Jukebox. I mean, he could play for three
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hours, you know, he could play all the way through from the 50s
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to the 80s. And it was like, holy all that.
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Yeah, it was. Really amazing.
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Yeah, Yeah. So I, I fell in love with this
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talent. I mean, I, I, he was, I he was
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just amazing to me. And so we went together for
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seven years and it was such a crazy time.
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You know, it was the Vietnam War and, you know, sex drugs
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rock'n'roll, they say sex drugs rock'n'roll, you know.
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Well, you OK, I want to break that down because we've already,
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we've always had sex, right? I mean, that's not.
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That's how we all got here. What happened?
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Was. Women got, yeah, women got birth
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control for the first time. I remember I took one of the
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first birth control pills at in 196768 and they were super
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strong by the way, that I could. It was crazy.
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But they, you know, now they're better.
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But women got birth control for the first time so they could
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actually have sex without fear of getting pregnant.
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But that kind of really opened it up, you know, the hippie era
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and the freeze backs and all that.
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That's what women could, you know, enjoy themselves on a.
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On a better, yeah. Yeah.
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On their terms? Right on.
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Their yes. On their terms, yes.
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On their terms, yes, Hopefully. Right.
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Yeah, yeah, right. And and then psychedelic drugs.
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Oh yeah. Right, so I just finished a book
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by Michael Poland called How to Change Your Mind.
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It's the history of of psychedelic drugs.
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I've read it Well. I didn't realize they were
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invented in 521952. You're talking Mike's language,
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Deborah. OK.
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Been there, done that. OK, yeah, me too.
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And you know, I, I, I think you only.
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Need. I don't think you need more than
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one or two trips. You know, if you're if you're in
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the right environment, it really opens up your mind.
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But what happened, you know, is it got, it was being used very
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successfully and is now starting to be used again very
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successfully with PTSD veterans, alcoholism, depression, save.
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Me from addiction. Right.
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It works really well, but what happened was it got out of the
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laboratory and doctor's offices and into everybody was taking it
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and everybody was taking too much of it and the street stuff,
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nobody knew what you were really getting I you know, so it
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unfortunately and then and then everybody clamped down on it and
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the good things that could come from it were lost, literally
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lost. And Al finally.
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Coming. Back, Yeah.
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So. So.
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Yeah. So.
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Sex, drugs, Rock'n'roll. And then the Vietnam War, you
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know, all of us, We have the draft.
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My brothers were afraid they were going in.
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Michael Craig Ingram, in the book, he ends up getting his
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draft notice and one of his best friends died and.
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Yeah, so that part of the story, too.
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And OK, so his best friend was they went scuba diving together.
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They did everything together. And just before he left for boot
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camp, Michael and this, this guy Bill Perkins, they've got in a
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fight over a girl. It was a fist fight.
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It was bad. Oh, wow, It was a bad fight.
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It was a bad fight. Then he Bill Perkins left for
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Camp Pendleton boot camp. And they never got to say.
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They, they make amends who never got to say.
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And he died in Vietnam. And he's the only combat
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photographer in our nation's history to receive the Medal of
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Honor. He was a combat photo.
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Wow. He went to high school.
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So, so, so I, I need to move from that.
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OK, so then you know Craig and I?
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And just and and and understand, I don't want you giving up too
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much of the book because we want people to read it.
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Right. So don't go deep into the to
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the, to the whole concept of the book.
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But I mean, obviously you can brush it over because we don't
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want, we want people to go buy your book.
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So we're kind of dangle the carrot a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah so so then his friend dies
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in Vietnam and Craig or Michael in the book goes from a short
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haired good Catholic boy. He was so angry over Bill's
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death get to say he was sorry over this girl.
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He ended up a radical writing protest songs here down to the
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yeah. And it just really, really
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changed him. So then in 1973, we were living
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in San Diego together, and he started this band, Freedom
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Quest. And that's the name of the book.
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And it it was arguably, looking back at his career, probably the
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best music he ever made. He was 27 years old.
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He was at the pinnacle, you know, of his, of his musicality,
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creativity, and it was unbelievable.
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I can't wait for you guys to hear this music and some of the
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band members. You may recognize the names.
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David Benoit. David Benoit is a jazz recording
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artist. He also has a jazz show on the
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jazz station in LA. K Jazz called K Jazz and uh huh.
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And so, you know, he was the keyboard player and he played,
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he played keyboards and he also played Hammond B3 through Leslie
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speakers. It was so good.
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And then Brian Mcnest was on bass and he was, he's a killer.
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I, I, I, I'm, I'm in. I'm in touch with David.
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I can't find Brian, the bass player.
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I'm dying to to talk to him but I hope.
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He maybe he'll maybe he'll find this.
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Maybe he'll stumble on this. Like like Philip.
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Did. Hope I get to talk to him and
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and and celebrate, you know, really, he was such a an
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integral part of of this band. And then I was singing
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background and Bill Richardson. We had it was a nine piece band,
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violin, flute. Damn, a percussion and rhythm
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section and three 3 background vocals.
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It was killer killer band. OK.
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That must have sounded amazing. Short lived because Greg got
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busted for pot. All that damn devil's limits.
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Yeah, he was. He was.
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Never an alcohol drinker, you know he didn't drink alcohol at
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all. Ever.
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But he loved his cannabis. And So what happened was they
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were recording and they were trying to Craig wanted to get a
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record deal. So they were they were in the
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studio recording and he ran out of money.
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Craig ran out of money. Or Michael in the book, he ran
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out of money and he the roadie overheard, you know, that he
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needed to get some more money. And he goes, hey, man, he goes,
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you know, I got a connection. We can turn around a couple of
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kilos, a pot, and you can have the money to finish the album.
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And he said yes. And the roadie was working with
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a cop. Damn it, man, damn.
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It he set him up, he was on probation and he said, yeah,
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that's a lot of that happened back then, a lot of that.
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Happened. That's such a drag, man.
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So he ended up in jail. I mean the the minute the the
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marijuana past hands. Yeah.
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That was it form of police cars got thrown in jail and he was
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there for three days. He said three of the scariest
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days of his life. And then he went before the
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judge and and you know, now I was going with him at the time.
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I mean, I had to find the the bail and, you know, pick him up
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at the bail. What was the bail?
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What was the what was the bail back then?
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Oh God, I don't even remember. For 2 kilos a pot I.
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Mean our rent was $50.00 for. A Well, that's what I was
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saying. So, so it was probably 100.
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So there's probably 100 bucks. Like why am I going to get 100
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bucks man? That was a lot of money back
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then. Trying to find that money, you
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know, and, and yeah, so you know, I go pick him up and he
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stands in front of the judge and the judge is like, son, I can
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see you're not a pardoned criminal.
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And I'm going to give you 6 weeks in honor camp, and I don't
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want to see you back here again. So now what was what was hold on
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hold on, what was honor camp? Honor camp was out in East San
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Diego, way out. Beautiful, I mean beautiful.
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He was out there with the, you know, oak trees and the
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squirrels and the and, and basically, you know, they, it
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was low security. They cut fire trails for the
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firemen and you know, it wasn't bad, wasn't bad at all, but OK,
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the band. Well, yeah, I mean, he's at,
23:50
he's an honor camp. The band's not going to stick
23:51
around back then because it's so, you know, it's free love.
23:54
Let's go to this. Let's go travel to, you know.
23:57
They had other jobs and stuff and they, they, you know, the
24:00
band broke up and I left him. At that point.
24:06
I broke up with him. I was, I got scared.
24:10
I got scared. I, I mean, it was just, there
24:12
were so many groupies, so much, you know, so many drugs.
24:17
I mean, I remember there was like a bowl of chocolate
24:20
mescaline on our kitchen table. Chocolate Mescaline.
24:24
Yeah, I mean, I, I just got scared, you know?
24:28
And I loved him. I still loved him.
24:29
But I was like, I think, you know, a typical woman.
24:33
I was sort of like, So what? Where are we going?
24:38
What's the plan? Yeah.
24:41
Where's our future? And he would just look at me and
24:45
go, we're playing music and having a good time.
24:49
That was it, right for him and I.
24:51
And so, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've been in that
24:55
situation. So, yeah.
24:59
So anyway, I broke up with him. The band broke, you know,
25:03
disbanded. And the record deal, of course,
25:06
you know, fell away. Faded away.
25:08
He but there were 7 seven songs recorded with her streaming.
25:13
You know, you can find them everywhere.
25:15
And so he put those seven songs and the only person that stayed
25:19
with him was the percussionist Sodi Arcia, who, by the way,
25:23
just passed away February 1st. God rested.
25:26
Yeah, he just passed away, which is kind of sad because he helped
25:29
me. I interviewed him.
25:31
He helped me with band stories and things.
25:33
And. Yeah, but he didn't get the
25:35
final book. You know it's.
25:36
Funny because drummers latch on to people like it's almost like
25:40
a marriage. They don't always latch on to
25:41
the same member, but the bass player and the drummer are
25:44
usually attached at the hip, or sometimes it's the guitar
25:46
player. It's weird because they have to
25:48
have an instrument, you know? The drums are not really an
25:51
instrument. Yeah.
25:53
I always say it takes a certain kind of personality to want to
25:55
beat the shit out of something for hours on end, you know?
25:59
I agree you're not making. You have always been the
26:01
craziest ones in the band, you know?
26:04
I know they're all yelling at me right now.
26:05
We're musicians. I didn't say that.
26:07
I said you're just making beats right Without the.
26:10
Drums or old joke? The old joke.
26:12
Why do drummers hang out with musician?
26:15
No. Why do drummers join bands?
26:17
So they can hang out with musicians.
26:20
Yeah, but I finally, I was just in touch with the drummer, LV
26:26
Odira, just in touch a couple of days ago for the first time.
26:31
I just tracked him down and he finally called me back and he
26:39
was like I told him, I said, well, I changed all the names
26:42
and he said and, and oh, and then he told me he goes, well,
26:45
you know, when I joined the band, he said I was really, I I
26:49
didn't feel comfortable. He said Craig was just too
26:52
crazy. He was too wild.
26:54
And he said, I grew up in a very strict family.
26:58
My father was like, you know, very strict, that I was an
27:01
immigrant from Algeria or no Tunisia.
27:05
And so, you know, very strict family.
27:08
And he said, Craig, he rubbed me the wrong way.
27:12
And so I didn't know any of this, right.
27:16
So anyway, in the book, cause in my experience, you know, the
27:20
drummer's always kind of the like the craziest 1, you know,
27:23
he's full, right? So, so in the book, I don't
27:27
know, this just came out when I was writing.
27:28
It was like, what am I going to call the drummer?
27:30
Ah, Neon because he has pink hair.
27:34
He called him Neon because he's got pink hair.
27:36
So I told Elvio this on the phone three days ago when he
27:39
went what he was Oh. My.
27:43
God, I said, you know, look, you know, don't worry.
27:45
It's, it's not a big deal, you know?
27:47
I were you the bass player in this band?
27:49
No, no, you were singing, I playing bass Well, 1414. 14
27:55
years ago you started. Playing bass, yeah.
27:58
No, I just was a singer, yeah. OK, OK, so I want to, I want to
28:03
rewind a bit because because we cannot not touch on the fact
28:06
that she went on tour with Sammy Davis Junior.
28:08
Like you just breezed. You just breezed over that like
28:11
you were driving through an In and Out burger, got a burger and
28:13
fries and went home and ate it. So we got to kind of back that
28:16
up and talk about, you know, Sammy Davis Junior.
28:19
Did you get to hang out with him?
28:21
Did you, I mean, did you guys be kind of form a friendship in
28:23
that short amount of time? You know, what were the
28:25
performances like? All that kind of stuff?
28:27
Because I know him, Mike knows him.
28:30
You, the guy's a legend. The original Rat Pack, right?
28:33
And back then it was so uncommon for someone of his Woody.
28:39
Woody I don't want to say black, but it was so uncommon to have
28:42
to have, you know, a non white guy in the in in the group that
28:48
he was with because it was him, Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, right.
28:54
Yeah, you. Listen, the Rat Pack.
28:56
Now, I guess now I'm drawing a blank because we're sitting
28:58
here. You guys here, Dean?
29:00
Martin. Frank Sinatra.
29:02
Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra.
29:04
That's right, Frank Sinatra. And there's one more we're
29:07
missing. Yeah.
29:08
Very efficient. I don't know anyway, but yeah.
29:11
Talk. Yeah.
29:11
And, and, you know, there was, there was a lot of prejudice,
29:14
you know. Right there you go Here.
29:16
Yeah, yeah. A lot of racism.
29:18
And I remember stories about how, you know, he, he, the, the
29:23
guys in the Rat Pack stood up for him, you know, and made sure
29:27
that he could, you know, go to the restaurants and hang out
29:30
with them. And stuff, right?
29:34
So yeah. So yeah.
29:35
Did I hang out with him? You know what, I was so like,
29:39
insecure at that point and so blown away by the fact that I
29:46
had gotten this job that I probably didn't, you know, take
29:52
advantage of, of of the time as well as I should have.
29:57
But yeah, I mean, there were only eleven of us in the cast,
30:02
so it's a small group and. I treat you guys well.
30:05
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, It's a really.
30:08
What? What kind of band leader was he?
30:10
How did he talk to you like? He was just, he was very quiet.
30:15
He was a very quiet man. Yeah.
30:17
But, you know, he, I remember when we we were on stage at the
30:23
end of a rehearsal in Chicago and all of a sudden some of his
30:29
entourage showed up with big giant boxes, cardboard boxes,
30:35
and they pulled them out. They started open them up.
30:38
And we were getting like all these presents we got.
30:43
Each got a watch and a a radio, you know, one of those like boom
30:48
box radio alarm, you know, the alarm radio.
30:55
Yeah. And, you know, I mean, it's just
30:58
all these all these presents that was interesting and.
31:01
That was all. From him.
31:02
And then he cooked for us in Chicago.
31:07
He invited us over to his apartment downtown.
31:09
It was right by the water tower and, you know, big high rise.
31:12
And he was in the kitchen with his entree.
31:15
He cooked pasta for us that night.
31:17
And I remember Jesse Jackson was there.
31:20
Nice. That's gone.
31:22
So everything I looked at, everything I looked at from Rat
31:24
Pack wise, there's five people, but the most 3, the most images
31:28
are just of Sammy Frank and Dean Martin.
31:32
Yeah, those are the most three. Those are the three that kind of
31:35
because that's what I think of when I think of Rat Pack are
31:37
just those. So I didn't know Joey Bishop and
31:38
and Peter Lawford were those are the other two, right, Those are
31:42
the other two. But but the most of the photos
31:44
are just of the three. Well, yeah, which makes sense,
31:47
Meg. Stars.
31:48
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
31:50
And that was towards the end of his career too, you know, 1978.
31:53
He died 4-5 years later. Maybe something like.
31:58
That long? Yeah.
31:59
So I remember him and Dean Martin and Cannonball Run.
32:01
They were hilarious. Oh, yeah.
32:03
They were the, the, the, the priests, The the just the
32:06
alcoholic priests, just, you know, and all the stories from
32:11
that movie from Burt Reynolds and stuff is.
32:13
I mean, all that stuff was real. They were hammered the whole
32:15
time, just having fun, improv and everything.
32:19
Have you ever seen? I'm sorry to interrupt.
32:21
No, you're good. No, you're good.
32:23
Have you ever seen what? Sammy when he was a kid tap
32:26
dancing. Yeah, yeah, I've seen all that
32:28
old reels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:30
Talented. Very.
32:32
Talented. Incredibly talented.
32:33
Yeah, yeah. Well, threat, you know.
32:36
Yeah. Totally right, you know.
32:38
Well, it's yeah. And see, back then you had to
32:40
have the full thing. If to be a star, you had to be
32:42
able to do everything. You had to be able to sing and
32:45
dance in the charisma and the presence on stage.
32:48
You know. Yeah, yeah.
32:50
There was no second takes. You couldn't get away with lip
32:53
sync, right? That stuff.
32:55
No backing tracks? Nope.
32:57
That's where the period I come from, you know?
33:00
Yeah, man, here's a funny story. So my dad, like I said, he was a
33:03
announcer, you know, he's over in New Caledonia.
33:07
During the war, they were running the Armed Forces Radio
33:10
Network down at South Pacific. And then he came back to
33:14
Hollywood and he got into, you know, it was radio.
33:18
And then he got into television and he had his own local
33:21
television show on ABC in Las Angeles.
33:26
And so I'm about 6 or 7 years old and he invited me and a
33:30
couple of my friends from the dance class to go on the show.
33:35
And it's live, right? And so, you know, he's, we, we
33:41
show up with our little costumes and everything.
33:44
And I'm nervous, right? I'm 6-7 years old and we get on
33:50
the sound stage. And I don't know if you've ever
33:52
been on a sound stage, but it's, it's black.
33:55
I mean, the whole place is so dark except for the one place
33:59
where they're filming, which is really bright lights.
34:03
And then back in the day, the cameras were huge.
34:07
I mean, just huge. The eye on the camera was huge.
34:11
The kind that follow you, they fall, you're going to die.
34:13
Those kind of things, yeah. So, you know, they my dance
34:18
teacher. OK, come on, little girls.
34:19
You know what I mean? So they get pushed.
34:21
She pushes us onto the stage and the music starts and we start
34:25
dancing. Yeah, we're dancing.
34:29
And the music stops. And my dad and I'm, I'm like,
34:32
scared half to death of this big giant eye, you know, this this
34:35
camera. Sure.
34:38
And it's all black, you know? And so that's the music ends,
34:43
and my dad walks over to me with this big giant microphone.
34:46
I mean, it was big back in the day.
34:48
Big Yeah. Yeah.
34:50
What's bends over, puts it down in front of my face and says,
34:53
and what's your name, little girl?
34:56
And I burst into tears because I thought, what?
35:01
My dad doesn't know who I am. All of a sudden, yeah, yeah,
35:04
I've. It was live.
35:07
And everybody, you know, everybody's like Koch, Koch.
35:10
Well, you think your dad would have said, hey honey, I'm going
35:12
to come up to you and say what's your?
35:15
Name blew it. You really blew.
35:16
It Yeah. Wow.
35:18
What's? Your name, little girl.
35:19
Oh my God, I felt so bad, but it was like I I was nervous anyway,
35:24
right? You know, it's like.
35:25
Right, Yeah. I mean, what are you going to
35:26
do, You know, anyway, So what? What?
35:30
So. So you, you, you got the book.
35:33
What made you leave LA and come to Chicago?
35:36
Yeah, well, Craig Ingram passed away.
35:40
You know the. Lead.
35:41
Oh, OK, yeah, right. The lead in.
35:43
The back so, so you know, we break up, he loses everything,
35:50
right? Loses me, loses the band, loses
35:52
the record deal and he gives up and sells his equipment and a
35:57
friend of his is moving to Hawaii, so he moves over to
35:59
Hawaii because. That makes sense.
36:02
Let's just hop the pond and go live in a in an island
36:05
surrounded by water. Yeah, yeah, He was like, I mean,
36:09
and they were like, come on, man, bring your guitar.
36:11
You know, you'll lie on the beach and play guitar.
36:14
Lots of beautiful women play tennis all day and sounds great,
36:18
right. So he gets over there and.
36:21
And. It's the opposite A.
36:22
Lot of tennis. They were playing tennis all day
36:24
long at Diamond Head Tennis Center.
36:27
And you know, and Craig, Craig had nothing.
36:30
He had one guitar, no car there lived.
36:33
They found a little apartment and they're playing tennis all
36:38
day, having a good time. And he, he meets this guy on the
36:41
tennis courts and really incredible player, very
36:46
enigmatic, charismatic and all that.
36:50
And the guy starts learning all about him.
36:53
And Craig was an open book, told him everything.
36:55
He goes, yeah, you know, cool girlfriend left me.
36:58
My fan broke up. I, you know, I was close to
37:01
getting a record deal. It all fell apart and just gave
37:04
up, blah, blah, blah. It turns out that guy was a cult
37:07
leader. And he gets it right on.
37:12
That's awesome. If you know anything about us,
37:13
we're all into that kind of stuff.
37:15
Like, I have a shirt. I have the Jim Jones shirt that
37:17
says drink up, and nobody's recognized.
37:20
Nobody's recognized what that is yet.
37:23
Mike knows. Yeah, Mike knows.
37:25
My wife knows. When I say we have a gallow
37:28
sense of humor, Deborah, yeah, that's all.
37:31
It's a whole nother level. Yeah, I did.
37:32
I did have a friend when I took a picture of it, he's like, is
37:35
that who I think it is? I was like, yeah, he's like,
37:36
you're a sick bastard. But it was funny.
37:38
He was comical. But yeah, I think you remember
37:41
how we started this. We are of no threat to anyone.
37:44
We just have a. No sense of humor.
37:46
Right. We would never encourage someone
37:48
to do that for real. If you're that stupid, we can't
37:51
help you, you know? Right?
37:53
Right. Right, right beyond our reach.
37:56
Beyond our reach. We would advise you don't do
37:58
that, but. Don't drink the green Kool-aid.
38:02
Yes, if at all possible. And so he, you know, and
38:07
meanwhile, so in the book, it's really interesting because
38:09
meanwhile I move on and I meet a man and we ended up getting
38:14
married and I was married for 26 years, raised 2 beautiful sons.
38:21
And he's over there in the cult. So a couple, you know, there's
38:25
like 3 or 4 chapters in the middle of the book.
38:28
Where Don't give away, don't give away, don't give away,
38:29
don't give, don't give it away, don't give it away.
38:31
We want people to read your book.
38:34
Just touch on the fact there's some cult, there's some cult
38:36
conversations in the book you have to hear.
38:37
Leave it there. Yeah, yeah, you got to read
38:41
about the cult story. I'm listening to buy the.
38:43
Book I want to hear. The story.
38:45
But now I have to. Read the book too.
38:47
Right. That's why, that's why you got
38:48
to stop that. We let's, let's divert, let's
38:50
talk about PBS and Bravo, because in your life resume, you
38:53
did some stuff with PBS and Bravo, right?
38:55
Here's one deal I'm going to start making authors.
38:58
If you want to come back in a year and tell the whole story,
39:01
you are more than welcome to do that.
39:03
But I am 100% with Chris. We want people in the 81
39:06
countries that are listening to this go by Deborah's book
39:08
because she's an amazing human being in the story.
39:11
When you get to a cult story, that's why Chris stopped you
39:14
dead right tracks. I stopped right there with stop.
39:16
Stop. How did it happen?
39:17
Who was it and it and it just came out.
39:20
Yeah. And it just came out this month,
39:22
right? Yeah, today.
39:24
Yeah, today. This is the.
39:26
Debut. The irony official.
39:29
Day. The online.
39:30
Chris and Mike show we have a debut of.
39:32
Someone's We have a debut of a book.
39:35
Phillip just sent me I wish you guys were here if he sent me a a
39:38
a dozen cookies for the for the book book release day.
39:44
Today is the day. Cool.
39:46
That's awesome. Congratulations, Phillip.
39:48
Good job. Yeah, way to go now, what is
39:51
what is Phillip? What is Phillip to you?
39:53
Right, 'cause I need to understand that.
39:55
OK, that's my thought. So that's my thought because
39:58
because I saw PR in his tagline, but then he was also talking
40:02
about I'll, I'll see you in the concession stands line.
40:04
And I haven't seen him yet. And I told him that.
40:07
So if you can, so if you can see the screen, boys and girls,
40:11
there's your book Freedom Quest. It's a love story.
40:13
If I Deborah Masterson, today is the day.
40:15
It just released today. She came on our show just to
40:18
taunt her book, which just, you know, that's amazing.
40:21
Thank you for that. We love that.
40:22
So, so go, go, go to atmospherepress.com or just type
40:27
on like the I did Freedom Quest book and this came up, but
40:32
there's there's a little synopsis for it 'cause we don't
40:34
want to give it away. And this is obviously Phillips
40:36
page. This is what Phillip is, is the
40:38
atmosphere, this. Is the publishers page Yeah,
40:41
cool. Go go to my dot.
40:43
Go to my website deborahmasterson.com.
40:46
OK. Yeah, and.
40:50
It's. Deborah without an H Yeah.
40:51
DEBORA. Yep, Yep, Yep.
40:53
I saw. That I will tag that in your
40:55
episode too. Deborah.
40:57
Deborah. That's awesome.
41:00
Debora, Debora, I'm talking to Debora, Debora Masterson, she
41:05
wrote to. There it is.
41:08
Oh, look at that. Can two young lovers torn apart
41:11
by sex Drugs Rock'n'roll in the Vietnam War get a second chance?
41:17
Coming April 21st, which is first day.
41:19
Today. Today.
41:21
Go get it. Right.
41:22
So here's Freedom Quest on Spotify.
41:24
There's the music. So that's going Deborah, Deborah
41:28
masterson.com. Well, at the H there's Deborah
41:30
right there. Little information about her.
41:33
OK. But I I do want to know what you
41:35
did with with with Bravo and PBS because Oh yeah, that was
41:39
referenced. That was referenced.
41:40
So, oh, look, there's Shammy. I was going to ask you about
41:43
what is this over here? What is this over here?
41:45
Is that an Oscar? That is an Oscar, and I had the
41:48
great honor of being at the Oscars or.
41:53
Shut the front door. No.
41:55
Seriously. And that was my client, GAIL
41:58
Ryan. I was, I was actually, I was
42:01
running a talent agency for a while in Los Angeles while I was
42:05
married. And this is the band.
42:07
Yes, this is the nine piece band.
42:09
See how I figured that out? There's nine people there.
42:11
I think that's. Well, there's one.
42:13
On them. There's more than OK, but you
42:15
know, I just yeah, I just visually counted wrong.
42:18
Thank you. And the watch, keeping secrets.
42:20
OK. But we're not going to go there
42:21
yet. We're still focused on this
42:24
freedom quest. OK, alive and well on Amazon
42:28
Prime right now. Go to Amazon and order the book
42:30
81 Countries If you get Everybody in Vietnam ordered the
42:33
book because it talks about Vietnam in the book.
42:36
OK, yeah, yeah. So let me share, share it.
42:39
OK, So remember I talked about how Craig and Bill were best
42:44
friends and then he they got in a fight and he went to Vietnam.
42:47
OK, so, so then I'm married and I'm running a talent agency and
42:54
I one day I'm in the car. I picked my kids up from school
42:59
and they're at they're like 15 and 13 or something like that.
43:06
And we're singing in the car and I'm like, you know, guys, we
43:12
should get some music lessons. You guys won't take guitar?
43:14
Because I'd remember that they they were at my brother's house
43:16
and they picked up the guitar you want.
43:18
You want some guitar lessons? And they were like, yeah.
43:21
So I wasn't. While I was married, I was not
43:24
around live musicians at all. So I reached.
43:28
Out, you're a looker. Friend, thank you.
43:32
Yeah, back in the day. Yeah.
43:34
Keep. Talking.
43:35
I reached out for. Your photos.
43:36
I reached out to a friend of a friend's and I said I'm looking
43:39
for a guitar teacher has to be close by in the area because my
43:43
sons are not driving yet and I'm working full time and he's like,
43:48
oh, there's only one person I would I would I could recommend.
43:51
He's the best. Craig Ingram.
43:56
I'm 'cause I never knew where he.
43:58
Was now, now, now Is Craig in this picture?
44:01
Yes, he's in the yellow shirt. I was going to, I was going to
44:03
say yellow shirt. Cool.
44:07
So the guy on the left if you go back.
44:10
I'll go. I'll go back on.
44:11
The left with a hat, Bill Richardson, he was in the
44:14
original band and me in the black and then also the the far
44:18
right. Soda Arcia was the percussionist
44:21
and he was in this last band that we were in.
44:23
It was called the Craig Band. Yeah, OK.
44:26
Yeah, awesome. And who's the guy with glasses
44:29
and the mustache? So you know, I, I, I, I find
44:32
out, you know, Craig Ingram has been living less than 4 miles
44:36
away from me for 10 years. While I was.
44:39
Raising my. Children crazy are.
44:41
Are you in this picture with Sammy?
44:43
Yeah, I'm out. Is that you?
44:44
Directly behind his head. Right there.
44:46
Right there. Yeah.
44:47
OK, that's awesome. Who's this guy?
44:50
Is that Ike Turner? Who's the choreographer?
44:53
OK, He kind of looks like Ike Turner.
44:55
Yeah. He does, doesn't he?
44:56
He kind of looks like Ike Turner.
44:58
I'm just saying no, you're. Right.
44:59
I can't think, I can't remember his name right.
45:01
Now it's OK. Well, you don't have to.
45:02
You don't have to. It's OK.
45:04
Oh, that's me with a A group before Sammy Davis Junior.
45:07
This was a group I was in very Las Vegas style.
45:11
Yeah. Yeah.
45:13
Fun. He was in Los Angeles, though.
45:15
Cool. Yeah.
45:16
Keep keep telling your story. I just scroll through photos
45:18
when I find them. So I find out he's been living,
45:23
you know, a couple of miles away from me and his family home.
45:26
He came back from Hawaii and I immediately called my brother.
45:31
It's like, Oh my God. I found Craig Ingram and he's
45:33
like, well, you're not going to talk to him, right?
45:35
And I'm like. No, no, I'm not going to talk to
45:37
him. I'm married.
45:38
Well, that lasted about 10 days. And called him.
45:43
And I told my husband, I said I'm going to go have lunch with
45:47
Craig. And he's like, no, you're not
45:49
because he knew about him. I said, yeah, I am.
45:53
And I yeah, I was hoping it would just be, you know, a lunch
45:57
and get kind of catch up. And I found out I was still in
46:01
love with him and he was still in love with me.
46:02
It was it was so powerful. Ended up.
46:06
Yeah, that's that's why your that's why your husband was
46:08
like, no, you're not. Yeah.
46:11
And you know, they say that if you're in a happy marriage and
46:14
everything is going well, that you can see an old boyfriend.
46:17
It's not going to be a big deal. But our marriage was not in a
46:21
good place at that point. And, and I, you know, I still
46:26
loved him. There was no doubt about it.
46:28
And he had never gotten married, never had kids, always talked
46:32
about me. And so I went through a divorce.
46:35
Luckily everything is good now. We're all good.
46:38
You know, the kids are good. My, my husband, former husband's
46:41
good. And so we got back together
46:44
again. And one of the first things he
46:46
told me is I want to make a documentary about Bill.
46:51
Oh, OK. Now I am a talent agent and
46:55
representing crew. So I was in a position to help
46:57
him. But I truly told him, I said,
46:59
look, you don't understand. You're a musician.
47:02
You don't understand how expensive it is, how difficult
47:06
it is to make a film. Forget about it.
47:09
I tried to dissuade him and he said, no, I got to do this.
47:13
I got to do this. So was this Was this on PBS or
47:16
Bravo? Well, let me let me finish this
47:18
story so OK. OK, Sorry, sorry, sorry.
47:19
So he goes, I, I told him one day I said look, and I don't
47:24
want to think about war. I just want to think about
47:26
peace. And he's to me, you can't know
47:30
peace unless you know war. And I went, OK, touché.
47:36
All right, I'm I'll do this. And so we immediately reached
47:41
out to. OK, so Bill Perkins is a combat
47:44
photographer. He goes over to Vietnam.
47:48
He they get into this horrible battle.
47:51
He was he was assigned to this group, Company C, first of the
47:55
first Marines. He was a Marine and he was
47:59
assigned to this group and they took off.
48:02
They were told to go out, you know, helicoptered out into the
48:06
Highline Forest. And they ended up in this
48:10
horrible battle. And Bill Perkins crawled forward
48:14
and jumped on a hand grenade and saved the lives of oh.
48:18
Wow, way to go, Bill. Absolutely.
48:22
And so it was a powerful story. Sure reached out to the
48:28
survivors that were around him and were invited us to their
48:33
reunion in Washington, DC So I produced this thing all by
48:39
myself. I got all the releases.
48:42
I got all the, you know. Yeah, everything needed.
48:46
Everything we needed, we hired a cinematographer in LA.
48:51
So it was Craig, me and the cinematographer John Manishak.
48:54
He in turn hired some of his friends that were still at
48:59
Emerson College in Boston. We rented a van.
49:03
They, they brought all the equipment down to DC, Washington
49:08
and we filmed for three days in Washington, DC and it, it, it's
49:14
a wonderful, wonderful document. They did a fantastic job.
49:18
It was his vision. I just helped him with his
49:21
vision and what's. It called.
49:23
It's called Above and beyond the story of Corporal William T
49:28
Perkins junior and he's he's a huge hero.
49:31
I William T Corporal, William T Perkins Junior and so PBS.
49:39
So oh, Bravo was something else. So PBS, we.
49:44
Probably don't have time for Bravo because we were a 10
49:46
minute mark, but but I wouldn't at least I I just wouldn't at
49:49
least share this part of it. So we, yeah, this is the
49:52
important part. So we once we have the
49:55
documentary done, it's 30 minutes, by the way.
49:57
It's not a long documentary, but it's perfect length, I think.
50:01
So we reached out to all the, you know, production companies,
50:05
Everything we're trying to get a distribution never happened.
50:08
Fast forward last year, last year, 17 years later, Craig is
50:14
gone. I'm in Chicago and PBS picks it
50:19
up. Right on.
50:21
So that's so that was amazing. So what is Dennis?
50:25
Very good to me. What is Dennis Franz's role in
50:27
it? He recites the Medal of Honor.
50:31
OK, cool. Yeah, Dennis Franz is one of my
50:33
all time favorite cop actors from Hill Street Blues, NYPD
50:37
Blue, like you, you talk about an actor, he's kind of like like
50:41
James Gandolfini before James Gandolfini hit the scene that
50:44
that, that barely tough out for sure guy.
50:48
And but then you just have this amazing vulnerability about him
50:52
and it doesn't matter what he's what he's doing.
50:54
You just, you felt everything that Dennis Franz did on.
50:57
Screen he fell into that character.
50:59
Yeah, to do, to do the narration.
51:02
He invited us to the 20th Century Fox lot in LA.
51:06
And so we, we, we show up and they, they take us to his, his
51:11
trailer, which is like just this little trailer.
51:14
And we knock on the door. It's like, you know, he's like,
51:18
you know, trailer, trailer, you know, pictures of his family all
51:22
over the place. And then he goes, OK, we're
51:24
walking over to the studio. So we walk over and would you
51:26
believe we were in The Simpsons studio where he recorded the
51:31
narration? We were just like going oh, this
51:35
is amazing. You know, that's cool, yeah.
51:38
It. Was really cool.
51:40
So, yeah, so you know, what I do now is I show the documentary
51:45
and then I have local veterans on AQ and A.
51:48
So we do 30 minute film and then we do AQ and a, you know, you
51:52
know, questions from the audience and all of that.
51:55
And and let the and this. Is and this is and this is in
51:57
Chicago. Yeah, I've done it in Chicago.
52:00
I've we did it in LA We've we've done it in a lot of different
52:04
places. It's going to play locally here
52:06
in my neighborhood for Memorial Day, and that's also going to
52:09
play downtown Chicago at the center.
52:12
OK, OK. So, so let us drop, drop share
52:15
that, right? Where did you say to be?
52:16
Playing those events are also on my website.
52:19
OK, OK. May 27th event for the film.
52:23
Oh, events. OK, I gotcha.
52:24
Yeah, there's an events page. Yeah, I.
52:26
See it now? I see it now, yeah.
52:29
So I'm very, I'm very honored to be the steward of this film.
52:33
I'm one of the few people that, you know, left the Bill Perkins
52:39
family. There is no one left,
52:41
unfortunately. It's a very sad, very tragic
52:45
story. Bill Perkins senior and his wife
52:50
lost their second their second son and only son.
52:54
They had two sons. Their youngest son died 4 years
52:57
after Bill died in Vietnam. But they lost both their
53:03
children. And you know, there was no,
53:08
there was no nobody left. It's very.
53:12
That is unfortunate. Yeah.
53:14
Yeah. And, you know, so just because
53:17
it kind of ties in, even though it shouldn't really tie in, if
53:19
you're feeling you're feeling sad and suicidal, depressed,
53:21
don't do it to go go scream in a pillow.
53:24
Go outside and go for a run, go workout, go find somebody to
53:26
talk to. If you can't find someone to
53:29
talk to, text 988. Someone is standing by to help
53:31
you talk you off that ledge. We talk about it all the time.
53:34
Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you choose
53:36
not to be here tomorrow because tomorrow is always a better day
53:38
with you in it. So just do that.
53:42
Text 988 For more information about Deborah Masterson.
53:45
Again, the website is Deborah with no hmasterson.com.
53:50
There's there's your site right there.
53:52
You can look, you can find out more about the book.
53:54
You can read about her. There's book clubs, there's
53:56
events. We'll talk about the different
53:59
things that she has upcoming. So later this week she's 3:00 to
54:03
6:00 PM at the Folk Art Rare Records.
54:06
You can go meet her by her book that's in San Diego, CA on May
54:11
2nd she's in Hollywood, May 3rd she's in Chicago, May 17th she's
54:16
in Evanston. And the May 30th is what we were
54:19
talking about before with the 30 minute documentary she made
54:22
about the story of Corporal William T Perkins Junior.
54:25
So check those things out. She's definitely somebody that
54:28
is going to come back on our show because Mike's already
54:30
alluded to that you're going to come back in a year and you can
54:33
tell us all about the show. We'll have you on a Friday
54:34
because Friday we'd have we have more time to to to have
54:37
conversations and we can really dive deep into your life because
54:40
I feel like when we touched a little piece of it and, and and
54:44
we would love to obviously learn more about you and more about
54:47
what you've done in your lifetime, because really I
54:49
didn't know about Dennis Franz. So you mentioned the the the
54:52
documentary. Then I looked up the documentary
54:54
and there he was. So I have AI have a suspicion
54:56
there's a lot more little innie windows of people that you've
54:59
met along your your lifetime Nuggets that would really be
55:03
really fun to talk about because again.
55:05
Yeah, you've been fascinating, Deborah.
55:06
Thank you so much for. Doing that.
55:07
Oh, thank you. Absolutely.
55:09
And it's so cool. This is the day your buck came
55:11
out. That's a first.
55:12
Really cool. Yeah.
55:14
We're honored. Really cool.
55:16
And how? And.
55:17
And before we let you go, how old are your how old are your
55:19
sons now? What are they doing with their
55:20
lives? Oh, now?
55:21
You're yeah, they're 44 and 40. OK, OK.
55:27
Congratulations. Nice.
55:28
So one son is here in Chicago, One son is in LA Oh, you know,
55:33
you asked why did I end up in Chicago?
55:35
Well, I decided to downsize and I, you know, am I going to stay
55:39
in LA or come to Chicago? And I just, I, I fell in love
55:42
with Chicago. I kept coming back to this.
55:44
It is an awesome city. You got public transportation,
55:47
you got water. It's just an awesome city.
55:50
You got great food. The great food, yeah.
55:53
Yeah, Yeah. California is not the place to
55:55
live anymore. I mean, I'm, you know, I live in
55:56
Arizona and I sell houses for a living.
55:58
So, you know, they turned our state blue 1 election because
56:01
some of them came over here because they're just tired of
56:04
California, which I don't blame them with the chaos that's going
56:06
on there. Just from a political
56:08
standpoint. I don't blame people from
56:10
jumping ship from that state. It's just it's a matter.
56:13
Believe it or not, when I grew up in the valley, the San
56:15
Fernando Valley, it was rural. Well, yeah, but that was.
56:19
We were riding horses. Right, right in.
56:21
My lifetime and now you know you've.
56:23
Never. Yeah, you know, Yeah, yeah,
56:26
yeah, no, yeah, you're you're awesome.
56:29
Thank you Phillip for connecting us and and we'll.
56:31
Get a shout out to Phillip. We'll, we'll get you back on.
56:34
I'll put you in my calendar to reach out to you and but anytime
56:37
you want to come back and talk about something, just have
56:39
Phillip or you shoot me an e-mail.
56:40
We'll get you back on. We always kind of book a month
56:41
ahead of time. So, but definitely next time
56:44
it's a Friday so we have more time to chat with you and and
56:47
dive deeper into your life resume because it's much more
56:50
fascinating that I think that we even touched on Wow.
56:52
Thanks you're. Welcome, absolutely.
56:55
Best of welcome it. Was a pleasure meeting you.
56:57
Thank you so much. And, and don't leave when Mike
57:00
shuts us down. Don't leave because we got to
57:02
make sure you're all uploaded and, and, and everything's good
57:04
to go for Chris and Mike show. I'm Chris, he's Mike.
57:06
And this is Deborah Masterson. Thank you very much.
57:08
We appreciate your time. It's the most valuable commodity
57:10
in the world. So we thank you for spending an
57:12
hour with us, not only you, Deborah, but everybody in those
57:15
81 countries love you, brother. Love you too man.
57:18
Thanks again, Deborah. Have a great day.
57:20
Peace, Peace. Feel the trail behind your eyes.
57:48
Feel yourself and meet yourself. Take a moment, Look until you
57:57
see it. Fight your battle, then you must
58:01
weer. Fight your battle, but you must
58:05
weer. Who is your baby to your?
59:29
Come down here. We haven't bounced.
59:32
All this in the sand. You can't fight him.
59:37
Wait for the dead When he's closer out here for the wind.
59:42
You ain't no creature. We're friends found you should
59:48
you put it on the almighty man. You got a dream.
59:54
Who in your life to keep our soul in every man?
1:00:01
Take your turn behind your eyes. Feel the soul evolution now.
1:00:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:00:17
Take a moment look at you, see you see you fight your family.
1:00:23
To you more clear. You gotta, you gotta.
1:00:52
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.