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  Speaker 1: He's still good. Report tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump helped destroy Peter Dutton, now he threatens to
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  Speaker 2: evade Greenland and destroys Australia's film industry, just after having
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  Speaker 2: a lovely chat with anything the Albin Easy.
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  Speaker 3: I had a very warm and positive conversation with President
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  Speaker 3: Trump just a short while ago.
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  Speaker 2: Plus Prince Harry in his most delusionable interview yet claiming
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  Speaker 2: he wants reconciliation with the Royal family while hinting they
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  Speaker 2: may actually want him killed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean disguise seriously.
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  Speaker 2: But look, let's go straight to this amazing election. This
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  Speaker 2: election actually proves Australia has changed and the old style
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  Speaker 2: of politics that's dead. Mass immigration, identity, pologies to the
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  Speaker 2: welfare have all changed us and the old Australia is
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  Speaker 2: never coming back. Most importantly about this change, there is
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  Speaker 2: no more we, no more US. Labour knows this, but
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition can't handle it, and that killed the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: in some key seats with Chinese voters, for instance. And
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals face a massive challenge, especially with the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister today warning his own side not to get carried
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  Speaker 2: away and lurch more to the left now that it's
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  Speaker 2: had its biggest win in more than eighty years, twice
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  Speaker 2: as many seats as the coalition in the lower House,
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  Speaker 2: needing only the Green support in the Senate to pass laws.
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  Speaker 3: I promised to be a Prime Minister for all Australians,
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  Speaker 3: those who voted Labor those who didn't, and hope to
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  Speaker 3: earn the trust. We're being an ambitious government, will continue
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  Speaker 3: to be an ambitious government. But we won't get carried
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  Speaker 3: away now sure.
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  Speaker 2: John Howard in two thousand and four did win about
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  Speaker 2: as many seats as ALBINIZI has now and lost the
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  Speaker 2: very next elections. This hope, But Labor then was still
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  Speaker 2: left with sixty seats when the coalition now has fewer
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  Speaker 2: than fifty and no sense of direction, not for the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals who lost all the seats at any rate, and
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  Speaker 2: that this will be a fight for the very existence
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  Speaker 2: of the Liberals a huge challenge. How, for instance, is
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  Speaker 2: it going to deal with this change Australia that I'm
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  Speaker 2: about to show you to me This is the big
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  Speaker 2: story of the election. But before I get into that,
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  Speaker 2: first some quick caveats about all this, because there are
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  Speaker 2: actually many reasons the coalition was utterly specially where people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's this one thing.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you've just got to blame mostly simple stunning incompetence. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: just four months ago the coalition must have been do
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  Speaker 2: something right because it actually led in the polls. And
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  Speaker 2: whatever went wrong went wrong mostly in the four months since,
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  Speaker 2: especially during the campaign. As I said last week, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not you know wise after the event, that campaign was
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  Speaker 2: stunningly bad. Its ads were weak, its message was incoherent,
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  Speaker 2: its policies were a mess. I mean, it's a tack
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  Speaker 2: on working from home that was so dumb that the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition had dump at mid campaign after that was all over.
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  Speaker 2: And his tax policy, how can a liberal party actually
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  Speaker 2: offer bigger taxes than labor. Labor had bigger tax cuts.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing at Peter Dutton look nice man, absolutely but
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  Speaker 2: really sorry, but he just looked scary and not like
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  Speaker 2: the easy going Anthony Albanezi. And they were attacked Dutton
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  Speaker 2: with a very ferocious personal campaign. In the end, Dunton
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  Speaker 2: lost his own seat. And now the Liberals are looking
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  Speaker 2: around wondering who who could possibly lead us out of
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  Speaker 2: this pit of despair, And the answer is there's not
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  Speaker 2: a single obvious person up to that job. Not one
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  Speaker 2: the contenders. It seems Angus Taylor, but he too often
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  Speaker 2: looks unsure, lacks cut through and as a shadow treasurer
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  Speaker 2: he is blamed for a lot of this policy mess.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's Deputy Leader Susan liber To be honest, she
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  Speaker 2: lacks weight, lacks authority. And there's Dantean, who I like him,
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  Speaker 2: but he doesn't look or sound the leader type. Now
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasey, the former SS captain, he does look like
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  Speaker 2: a leader. He's already bound out. I think it's probably
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  Speaker 2: wise because it's still far too young, lacks experience and
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: still lacks Albanize's human touch. But already the party's left
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  Speaker 2: like Labor, like the Greens, is pushing for power, pretending
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals went too far to the right under Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 4: Most Australians subscribe to a live and let live ethos
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  Speaker 4: and that is entirely consistent with liberalism and that should
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  Speaker 4: be the fat past for the Liberal Party as we
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  Speaker 4: chart our core back to the center, because that's where
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  Speaker 4: elections are won.
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  Speaker 2: I mean's seriously, what did Dutton promise at this election
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  Speaker 2: that was very right wing? When he fought the Voice
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  Speaker 2: By the way, he actually won the referendum to save
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  Speaker 2: he months ago. But at this election, what was so
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  Speaker 2: right wing? Promising higher taxes and labor promising to stick
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  Speaker 2: with net zero missions targets, promising huge spending, bearing his
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: defense policy and actually working from home is really more.
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  Speaker 2: It should be embraced by libertarians, even conservatives, as long
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  Speaker 2: as bosses get a fair return. Scrapping that was not
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  Speaker 2: far right. So that claims nonsense, just an ideological spear
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  Speaker 2: like Dutton being a Donald Trump, which Labour kept claiming,
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  Speaker 2: which was used to Trump himself today Albernis, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Very friendly with they haven't I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 5: the election.
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  Speaker 2: He's been very very nice to me, very respective to me.
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  Speaker 6: I have no idea who the.
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  Speaker 1: Other person is.
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  Speaker 7: That ran against.
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  Speaker 2: Him, and you know we've had.
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  Speaker 1: A very good relationship. So complete nonsense. So let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you now about another big issue that.
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  Speaker 2: Really did hurt the coalition. This new Australia, nothing like
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  Speaker 2: the dead and gone Australia that the Coalition seemed to
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  Speaker 2: be hanging onto in the campaign.
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  Speaker 8: We can't make Australia write again that we can't bring
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  Speaker 8: Australia back towards former glory.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's former Glory, What does it even mean? So the
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent of Australian voters now who weren't even born here,
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  Speaker 2: what do they care about former Glory even if they
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  Speaker 2: knew what it was the fact is that the coalition
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  Speaker 2: likes talking about US and we when they talk about
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  Speaker 2: Australian voters.
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  Speaker 1: But there is no US and we anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We're so many different tribes or identity grew troops whatever.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, seventeen percent of Australians say they have Asian background,
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  Speaker 2: and a survey by the Australian Population Research Institute found
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  Speaker 2: almost sixty percent of Australians born in Asia didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: a strong connection with this country.
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  Speaker 1: Same with sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Six percent of a strands born in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: Africa and Israel no strong connection to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Tell them about we and US.
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  Speaker 2: Nearly a million Australians have told the Census they don't
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  Speaker 2: even speak English or not well.
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  Speaker 1: So let me show you how this one hurt the.
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  Speaker 2: Liberals in this election, and two how Labor exploited it. Then,
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  Speaker 2: the last week of the campaign, Liberal Senator Jane Hume
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  Speaker 2: commentat reports that a Chinese association linked to China's Communist
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  Speaker 2: Party were supplying volunteers for a labor campaign and a
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  Speaker 2: teos campaign. Some are even film telling Chinese Australians obliged
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  Speaker 2: to vote as instructed and this is obviously a security issue,
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  Speaker 2: but labour jumped all over. Admittedly clumsy comments by Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Senator Jane Hume. Some are those volunteers in China linked
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  Speaker 2: group could be spies, labor politicians or Chinese ancestries flooded
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  Speaker 2: Chinese social media, stirring up ethnic tensions in this country,
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  Speaker 2: but falsely claiming that humans attacking all Chinese Australians and
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  Speaker 2: not just people from a group linked to the dictatorship's propaganda.
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  Speaker 9: M you don't need to go out that far on
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  Speaker 9: the polling booths, Claire, there might be Chinese spies.
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  Speaker 7: This is absolutely disgraceful. We are not spies. Chinese Australians
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  Speaker 7: have been in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: For over two hundred years.
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  Speaker 7: We are royal citizens and we have just as much
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  Speaker 7: right to participate in Australian democracy as anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it that the Liberal Party continues to question
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  Speaker 3: the loyalty of Chinese Australians.
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  Speaker 2: That deliberate a lie that humans talking about all Chinese
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  Speaker 2: Australians worked brilliantly. According to Chinese Australian journalists on the
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  Speaker 2: ABC who repeated that Labor spin.
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  Speaker 10: Things turned very different directions in the last forty eight hours.
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  Speaker 10: I went to some voting Boots people with the Chinese
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  Speaker 10: background mentioned time and time again about that video.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 9: So the implication here is that Liberal Party Jane Humes
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  Speaker 9: had implied that there were Chinese spies within the Australian
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  Speaker 9: Chinese community and that is something that the Chinese community,
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  Speaker 9: particularly here in Voxil and Menzies, has really taken offense
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  Speaker 9: to and that's why they decided to vote Labor.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the ultimate effect, but two Liberals in
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  Speaker 2: seats with big Chinese minorities have now lost this seats,
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  Speaker 2: one narrowly, the impressive Mandarin speaking Keith Wallahan and Menzies,
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  Speaker 2: which is twenty seven percent Chinese Australian voters.
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  Speaker 1: The Shadow Foreign Minister.
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  Speaker 2: David Coleman in Banks twenty percent Chines his ancestry people there.
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  Speaker 2: So does this now mean that the Liberals can't even
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  Speaker 2: talk now about Chinese communist interference and on democracy? Is
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  Speaker 2: that why Anthony Alberinezi never caused communist China a threat
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  Speaker 2: never confronts it. And to the other example this election,
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  Speaker 2: two new Muslim groups back Muslim candidates on Muslim platforms
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  Speaker 2: Palestine number one. In two Sydney electorates were more than
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  Speaker 2: a third of voters of Muslim, more than a third
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  Speaker 2: in Blaxland. Armed UF got more than twenty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the vote, second only to Labour's Jason clare In. Watson
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  Speaker 2: Zie and Bazuni got sixteen percent, second only to Labour's
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burke.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't even have to win.
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  Speaker 2: To change our politics, because the Labor would that Muslim
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  Speaker 2: vote trying to head off this challenge boy turning against
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  Speaker 2: Israel and going soft on Islamic eight preachers. So we
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  Speaker 2: can't talk about that either now. But the rock goes
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  Speaker 2: deeper thanks to this new identity politics. We have a
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  Speaker 2: government that now flies three flags and more than that
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  Speaker 2: won the selection by promising handouts to everyone and demanded
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  Speaker 2: sacrifices for none. How can you appeal to the national
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  Speaker 2: interest when a lot of people don't quite feel part
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  Speaker 2: of that nation. So there's no talk of how Labor
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  Speaker 2: will actually pay for the promises, no talk of how
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  Speaker 2: it will cut our monster debt. There's other topics of
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  Speaker 2: national interests also played down. No talk from Labor about
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  Speaker 2: making our military stronger to protect us all from don't
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  Speaker 2: say China. Labour also tag Dutton's promise of big cuts
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  Speaker 2: immigration and this is the new Australia. It's culture has
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  Speaker 2: changed from a home culture to a hotel culture. Home
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  Speaker 2: is where we live as a family and we all
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  Speaker 2: feel like we have to look after it makes some sacrifices.
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  Speaker 2: A hotel is where we demand our oom service and
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  Speaker 2: expect someone else to maintain the joint.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we are. Three flags.
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  Speaker 2: Labor knows this the one flag Liberals just got spamed.
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  Speaker 2: Now before I discuss this astonishing election with the panel
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  Speaker 2: and also give conservative viewers a couple of glimmers of
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  Speaker 2: good news and let's just see what the results actually
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  Speaker 2: show about this new Australia. Joining me is the country's
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  Speaker 2: top TV sopologist, the Tom Connell of Sky News. Tom
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much, had a great election coverage again,
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  Speaker 2: may I just say, but last election at Tom for instance,
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  Speaker 2: the swing against the Liberals and seats with big Chinese
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  Speaker 2: minorities was twice the swing in the rest of the country.
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  Speaker 2: After China had was then punishing Australia Morrison gouvernment with
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  Speaker 2: trade bands. Is it too early to know what happened
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  Speaker 2: this time?
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  Speaker 5: Not necessarily too early, We've got enough vote in. But
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  Speaker 5: I'd say it's a bit of a mixed result if
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  Speaker 5: you like. So let's go, for example, to the seat
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  Speaker 5: of ben Along, which has quite a high number of
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  Speaker 5: obviously Chinese Australians. We go to ben Along and this
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  Speaker 5: was seen as something initially very much in play. Tiny
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  Speaker 5: margin you could say, basically a zero percent margin, a
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  Speaker 5: strong swing against the Liberal Party in the end, so
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  Speaker 5: when you see this sort of swing towards a Liberal party,
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  Speaker 5: this is clearly outsize compared to the rest of the nation.
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  Speaker 5: Even though there's been a swing towards labor two papers
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  Speaker 5: preferred that was outsized as well. It gets a bit
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  Speaker 5: more complicated and it goes from sort of the straight
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  Speaker 5: numbers to a bit more commentary. I suppose when you
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  Speaker 5: go to one of the other key seats here, the
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  Speaker 5: seat of Mensies here, so you can see Labors in
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  Speaker 5: the lead here. Now this was a seat that had
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  Speaker 5: essentially a Liberal margin of zero point four percent, so
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  Speaker 5: very small. But Keith Wollerhan, I think you alluded to him,
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  Speaker 5: and he said he is a very popular local member,
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  Speaker 5: someone that was seen as probably someone that was going
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  Speaker 5: to go through the Liberal Party ranks, and yet at
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  Speaker 5: this stage has failed to hang on to the seat.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a bit hard to say there's a big
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  Speaker 5: swing against him. At the same time, I think this
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  Speaker 5: is not the performance he would have wanted. And there
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  Speaker 5: has been discussions within both parties around the Chinese vote
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  Speaker 5: being a factor in the seat of mensies for example,
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  Speaker 5: and something you alluded to around various labor campaigns.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess that's sort.
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  Speaker 5: Of half my sophology had on and half my hat
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  Speaker 5: on as politics now if you like. But it's a
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  Speaker 5: little bit complicated on that. I'm sure there'll be plenty
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  Speaker 5: of analysis on it. I mean, the other one spoken
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  Speaker 5: about last time was Cujong. It's actually looking pretty good
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  Speaker 5: for the Liberal Party this time around. But it's a
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  Speaker 5: different opponent, isn't it. It's a Teal seat and this
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  Speaker 5: is another one with a relatively high number of Chinese voters.
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  Speaker 5: You can see this swing here slightly towards Amelia Hamer
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  Speaker 5: so far. So I think it's going to be spoken
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  Speaker 5: about it as a factor certainly in certain seats in
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  Speaker 5: the campaign. How you apply it on different seats always
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: gets a little bit more complicated.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was at one of the Coujong boosts Tom
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  Speaker 2: and I must say that Monique Ryan, the teal there
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  Speaker 2: had handouts printed in Chinese, so you know, people come by,
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  Speaker 2: you could get the one in Chinese, you get one
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  Speaker 2: in English. Amelia Hami did not. She had a little
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: sandwich board with Chinese texts on it, but did not
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  Speaker 2: have those handouts specifically for Chinese voters.
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  Speaker 1: So if Amelia Hamer loses.
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  Speaker 2: By ten twenty votes, may well happen as you might
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  Speaker 2: well want to go as Yeah, yeah, I know, I've
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  Speaker 2: been getting Wow, some amazing It's a real clawback from
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  Speaker 2: a merely aimer there on the postals whatever. Labor got
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: just thirty five percent of the primary vote this time,
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  Speaker 2: very low, yet one nearly sixty percent of the seats
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  Speaker 2: in parliament, so it's very shallow support for a huge return.
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  Speaker 2: Given that shallow support, though, how hard would it be
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: for the Liberals to turn that around.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: One of the interesting things I've been looking at in
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  Speaker 5: this regard is the matrix. I guess at the moment
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: of what happens in terms of that preference flow. And
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: this has been emerging slowly, but I'll give you a
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  Speaker 5: couple of examples of what I mean here.
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  Speaker 1: So let's have a look at the seat here of Griffith.
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  Speaker 5: This is a seat that Greens held on to have
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  Speaker 5: a look at the primaries here, so Labour got to
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  Speaker 5: boost their primary shore but it's on thirty four percent,
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  Speaker 5: just ahead of the Greens. How does this look in
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  Speaker 5: two party preferred Well, as you can see, it's sixty
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  Speaker 5: eight percent Labor. So why is that happening? Liberal party preferences.
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  Speaker 5: They say we don't like the Greens, and they preference
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  Speaker 5: along those lines. Their voters follow them and they help
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  Speaker 5: Labor get elected. So that's one side of the coin.
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  Speaker 1: When you go to the other.
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  Speaker 5: Side of the coin, Let's go to the seat of
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  Speaker 5: Curtain here, and this obviously was a really tight race
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  Speaker 5: in the end. Again, let's look at the primary vote
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  Speaker 5: first of all, and you can see Liberal vote much
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  Speaker 5: higher than the Labor vote in the seat of Griffith,
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  Speaker 5: well above Kate Cheney. Labor at fourteen percent is going
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  Speaker 5: to be the king maker. Effectively, Greens help out, but
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Labor the kingmaker. What's happening in this seat. The Liberal
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Party's losing on forty one percent. So the way the
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: preference flows happen right now in those various seats show
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  Speaker 5: that at the moment Labor is getting elect with liberal
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: preferences and yet at the same time it's helping liberals
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  Speaker 5: not get elected. Now will that shift? We're already seeing it,
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  Speaker 5: possibly in a couple of areas. Let's have a look
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  Speaker 5: at the seat for example of been this one. I
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  Speaker 5: did hear a whisper at this, I must admit, Andrew,
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  Speaker 5: But you hear so many things laid on. I've thought
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  Speaker 5: I'll keep an eye and not get too excited. So
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  Speaker 5: have a look at this Labor at forty one percent.
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  Speaker 5: Here is the Liberal Party as king maker with this independent.
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  Speaker 5: This is not yet flipped, but they are happy and
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  Speaker 5: willing to preference for an independent rather than a Green.
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  Speaker 5: This is going to be the bigger problem for Labor
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  Speaker 5: if we see this in more and more seats, and
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  Speaker 5: it is starting to emerge. We've seen it, of course,
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  Speaker 5: as well as another very close seat over there in Fremantle,
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  Speaker 5: a massive This has got some similarities I think with
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  Speaker 5: those till seats to liberals a massive margin sixteen point
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  Speaker 5: nine percent, and yet a haircut for Labor, not much
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  Speaker 5: of a primary swing enters an independent. How's that tracking
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  Speaker 5: right now? In terms of two party preferred, Labour's actually behind.
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  Speaker 5: Far too early to call it. I'm not two party preferred,
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  Speaker 5: but you can see this beginning to shit. Liberal party
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  Speaker 5: is happy to play spoiler when it's not the Greens.
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  Speaker 1: And where else could this happen?
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  Speaker 5: I just wonder if we're going to see in Queensland
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  Speaker 5: that yes, Labor's very happy to have won seats here,
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  Speaker 5: so they're going to win Brisbane and Griffith. But why
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: not enter if you're climate two hundred you want to
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  Speaker 5: win some more seats. It's no longer the Greens holding them,
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  Speaker 5: so it's one of the major parties. Will they enter
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  Speaker 5: this sort of territory because Labour's winning this seat. You
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  Speaker 5: can see right now two party preferred, they're winning the seat.
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  Speaker 5: Something's popped up there.
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  Speaker 1: But look at the primary here.
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  Speaker 5: This is hardly a commanding primary for the Labour Party
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  Speaker 5: at thirty two percent. Again this time with help from
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: the Greens, they win the seat. But this could be
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  Speaker 5: now fertile territory for more independence, Climate back two hundred
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: or others. So I just think it's interesting that it'll
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: be an interesting one to watch even with Labor sweeping in.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Could independence play more of a spoiler role in.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: The future, som connell. Thank you so much for your time.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I know it's by the way, almost every had no
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: idea the margin of victory would anything like as big
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: as Labor got. You can either attack the Polsters saying
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: terrible they were adjusting their polls, heard fact that they
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: don't want to be they thought, oh, I don't want
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: to be right out there on my own predicting this.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You might say that, or you might say there was
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a massive collapse of the Liberal support in just the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: last few days of the campaign. Wait for that. That
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: might be the case. Two tiny pinpricks of light in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the massive darkness for conservatives. One is that the Greens
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: have lost these two of their for lower House seats
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Adam banded, their leader might.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Even lose his, make that three.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, in the Senate they will probably
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: kick their eleven seats and be Labour's go to party
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to get laws passed. And the other relative good news
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: for conservatives the global the other glob warring Party. The
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Teals look like losing one even two of the MPs
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: who won last time. Former ABC journalists, So Daniel looks
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: losing Goldstone in Melbourne to Liberal member Tim Wilson, the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: former member there, and in near Bakuyong Minik Ryan there
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: is only a fraction ahead of the Liberals fast finishing
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Amelia Hams getting most of the postal votes. That'll be
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: a nailed by to joining me as the panel. Steve
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Connor of former Labor senator and Covenant minister, and Michael Kroger,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: former Victorian Liberal President.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Michael.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Four months ago the coalition led Labor, but on Saturday
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Labour won twice as many seats of the coalition.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: What on earth happened?
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: Well six weeks ago Andrew Peter Dutton was on seventy
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: two seats, which I mentioned a number of times. He
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: was fifty one and a half fifty two percent TPP
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: in all of the polls. So all of the problems
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: people say that the Liberal Party had they were known
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: six weeks ago. But still Peter Dutton was one and
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: a half to two percent in front of the two
• 20:52
  Speaker 11: party two party preferred eight, well three to four if
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: you put Labored forty eight to fifty two, all of
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: that was known. Something happened in the last six weeks. Well,
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: i'll tell you what happened. Two things, predominantly one many
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: care happened and Labor scared the living daylights out of
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: every Australian and you could see the little party drain
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: away as Albo produced his card. And the second thing
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: is associated us with Donald Trump, who is not that
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: popular in Australia. And I'm absolutely sure, by the way, Andrew,
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: that Albo said in his call with President Trump this
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: morning that one of the reasons I got re elected,
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: mister President, was I got all of my team to
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: say how much you were hated in this country and
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: how I associated my opponent, the Blake. You don't know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: we're associated him with you, and because you're so disliked,
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: I was re elected because of you. So thank you
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: very much, mister President.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I will bet my house he did not say that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Look, Stephen, the party has had an absolutely massive victory.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean it's bigger than Bob Hall, it's bigger than
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd's. That's the kind of thing that can go
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to a man's head, particularly if his name is Kevin Rudd,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: although Albany is he this morning was trying to keep
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: it real even walking to work as someone that right
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: now saying, oh watch out with all this is going
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to lurch even more to the left. Frankly, I doubt
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that Steven. I think he wants to be more reassuring,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: sort of father figure type.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: What are you expecting?
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: Well, look, you know Albow and I've known him almost
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: all of his political life. I think we first met
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty four or only five at ALP National
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: Young Labor Conference, and he was a young firebrand back then.
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: But I've watched his progress through the years. I've been
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: in cabinet with him for six years, and I've watched
• 22:53
  Speaker 12: him evolve from that firebrand and he's been deliberately set
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: out to govern from the SETI and I think that
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: he will continue to govern from the center. That doesn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: mean he's always going to be center center, but the
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: center left leaning to the center. And I think those
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: who have underestimated him and keep talking about, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: he's going to lurch off to the left really just
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: don't want to accept that he's completely outplayed them. He
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: came out after Christmas, he was firing on all cylinders,
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: and Paul Erickson devised the campaign strategy with Albow. They
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: came out hard. They laid out a string of policies
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: on women's health, etc. And they campaigned on it. They
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: campaigned on Medicare. You need Medicare to protect these new initiatives,
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: and we will always protect Medicare. And so I think
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: you just saw it gradually began beginning to unravel. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: think Trump absolutely, I think you're both right. Trump was
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: an overhang of Zelenski interview, followed by the tariff craziness.
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: All of that fed into the uncertainty principle. And Albo
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: has absolutely been non threatening in the way the Conservatives
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: tried to portray him. And so I think you've also
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: got to just accept that Peter Dutton had a chockra
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: of a campaign. At a personal level, he you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: backflipped on policies, He stumbled in the in the policy annunciation,
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: He had no support around him. Angus Taylor was a dud.
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: Hasty was hidden in Western Australia. Jane you blew up
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: over the work from home. They had to put her
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: in a cupboard. So he just basically was on his
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: you know, lonesome, trying to fight a campaign handidly, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: then you read stories today. You read stories today about
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: how they deliberately didn't poll in his seat because they're
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: afraid of you know, they would destabilize him.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is an extraordinary circumstances.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose many of my audience to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: apoplexy about this list of I mean, this will go
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: down in history as arguably I'm trying to think the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: worst campaign ever run. I mean, you might say Mark
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Latham blew up a campaign by trying to wrench John
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Howe's arm out of his socket, but I mean that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: was one isolated incident. This was just one thing, damn
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: thing after another. Michael, Given all that the role of
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a leader is clearly so important, who should lead the Liberals?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: Well, Andrew, I'm going to take my cue from Aaron
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: Violi and say that this is a matter for the
• 25:48
  Speaker 11: Parliamentry party. Of course I would have a view, but
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: people who've been in the organizational trying to tell them.
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: Let me rephrase, well, people people in the organization, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: we're trying to tell person Okay, the person that should
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: lead the Liberal Party should be someone that fully understands
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: and is committed to our brand equities. The reason people
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: vote for the Liberal Party, and the principal brand equity
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: of the Liberal Party is economic management, tax reform, lower taxes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: smaller government tax cuts, getting government out of the lives
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: of people, et cetera, et cetera. Someone that understands how
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: to grow the Australian economy by massively reducing red tape
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: so business can thrive. There's eighty percent of people in
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: this country. Their jobs are in the private sector, So
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: you need a whole reform agenda based around slashing times
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: for approval of all of the things that the federal
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: government regulates, which principally according with the States, of course,
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: includes mining, for example, taking eight ten years to approve
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: a new mind that's just preposterous, and also debt deeficit.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: The Liberals and this election campaign delivered on only two
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: of them. Only two of those five things you think
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: are essential to the new Liberal leader were acted upon
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in this past campaign.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: We just had Steve.
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: Why we lost Andrew's we lost.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Think you might be right.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I thought the minute TONI that was his name. Dutton
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: refused to match and beat the labor tax cuts. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: thought that's it, You're gone. Michael Kroegy, Stephen Conroy, thank
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you very much to you both. After the break, Donald
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Trump on Saturday did help to destroy Peter Dutton. Now,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: after a very nice chat this morning to Anthony Albanize,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: he threatens to destroy our film ministry as well.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: The danger of Donald Trump.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: After this, the Prime Minister was very happy to get
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: a call today from the man who most helped him
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to smash the coalition on Saturday, Donald Trump.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I had a very warm and positive conversation with President
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Trump just a short while ago when I was at
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the lodge, and I thank him for reaching out in
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: such a positive way.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Trump helped out with an easy win because voters really
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: got scared seeing what Trump was doing and thinking Peter
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Dutton was a Trump type too, which well Labor told
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: him beginning again, he was.
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: This is Dogie Dunton taking his cues, his instructions and
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: his policies straight from the US.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: Peter Dutton's campaign to be Prime Minister is just a
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: cut and paste from the United States.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And today Trump showed exactly why he is such a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: perfect bogey man, threatening again to invade Greenland from Denmark.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Had taken from Denmark, which is supposed to be an
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: American hour.
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: But you are not ruling out military force to take Greenland.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I don't rule it out.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I don't say I'm going to do it, but I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: don't rule out anything. No, not there do need that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: We need Grenlin very badly.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Trump also outraged many Catholics with a postly playing he
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: should be the next pope, but if how many is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: this morning was very happy to hear from Donald Trump.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: By this afternoon, the smile would have been wiped from
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: his face when it turned out that Trump was now
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: threatening our film industry. We make a lot of American
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: films here, include The Wolverine Wines, some of the Mission Impossibles.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But Trump now says he wants all films that are
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: important to America hit with one hundred percent tariffs.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: We're making very.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Few movies now, hollywoodn't been desployed.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Now you have an.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Incompetent, grossly in competent governor.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: That allows that to happen.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm not just claiming other nations, but other nations.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of them have stolen.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Our movie in this.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: How often did I say during the campaign Peter Dunton.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Had to distance himself from Donald Trump by attacking Trump
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: as a menace to Australian workers and a threat to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: American allies.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Didn't do it? Now?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Look joining me is the country's top foreign affairs writer,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan of The Australian Greg, Donald Trump, Why is
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: he carrying on like this?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Threatened to invade Greenland? And how much has it hurt
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton?
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: I look, Andrew, I think it hurt Peter Dutton enormously.
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: So a lot of fascinating things out of this election.
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: One thing no one's commented on much is that this
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: is a new historic low for primary support for the
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: two major parties, down to sixty six, two percent lower
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: than it was last time. There were subjective factors such as,
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: as you've rightly commented, the most incompetent coalition campaign ever
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: in our history, unbelievable, staggering. I've been a general professional
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: journalist for forty seven years. I've never seen a worse campaign.
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: And the big Trump factor. Trump is now a menace
• 30:58
  Speaker 13: to center right politics all over the world. He has
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: done the impossible. He has reversed the normal association. He
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: now associates conservative parties with instability.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So the core offering.
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: Of a conservative party is we are stable and sensible
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: and predictable and secure. And Trump is you know, behaves
• 31:20
  Speaker 13: half the time like a lunatic. Now his style is
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: completely unique. He's partly in the entertainment business. He floods
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: the zone. He does everything that everyone's commented about him.
• 31:30
  Speaker 13: Some of the stuff he says, he doesn't believe himself,
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: but he does and says grotesque things, and it repels voters.
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: He's deeply underwater in America. Now he's in negative approval
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: rating all over the place in America, and of course
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: it appalls Australian voters.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And it's not only that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: Albanez he painted Dutton as Trump like Dutton himself. When
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: Trump enjoyed his brief moment of popularity after election, Dutton said, well,
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: I'll be much better able to deal with Trump, you
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: know of, because we're on the wavelength. And then he
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: lumbered Porter sent a price with the Department of Government Efficiency,
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: and then Trump attacked Zelenski and went bananas with tariffs.
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: So Alberzi as a lucky general duttna, I mean, he's
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: a good man. I honor his service and everything, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 13: he was both an incompetent and an unlucky general.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable, It was unbelievable Greg this election. Labor didn't even
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: present a defense policy. The Liberals announced theirs only days
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: before the election, and even then wouldn't say what they'd
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: spend money on and against which country these armaments would
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: be we're aimed for. I mean, I wonder whether both
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: sides now are too scared of backlash from Chinese Australian
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: voters to talk about the communist regime as a threat.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: What does this election tell you about our ability to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: protect ourselves given that parameter.
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: Well, this election was terrible from national security. So Andrew,
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: I say to column tomorrow, the world as we know
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: it is ceasing to exist and we're having a debate
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: about work from home. You know, this was a ridiculous election.
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: It was ridiculous on both sides. It's a terrible outcome
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: for Australia. I actually, normally I would prefer a majority government,
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: but I actually thought it would be bad if Albanezi
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: got a majority this time, because it would reinforce every
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: bad instinct in the Labor Party and that's what it's
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: going to do. You're governed by welfare payments. You say
• 33:32
  Speaker 13: nothing about defense. Labor has promised effectively to do nothing
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: on defense. Now Chinese Australians have now do tend debate
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: against the Coalition. But I don't think we can blame
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: them for that, and I don't think we can sort
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: of impute anything about their loyalty or anything like that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: The Coalition makes no effort with ethnic voters.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It's done. It's stupid, beyond belief.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: You know, I used to live in Sydney and being
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: a foreign editor, I'd go to ethnic fitions every other night.
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: Everyone I ever went to, Bob Carr was there. He
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: was then the Premier, and there were labor politicians galore.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He never saw a liberal.
• 34:08
  Speaker 13: Now the Chinese diaspor in Australia is intimidated by the
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: Chinese government. The Australian state doesn't protect them. Dutton and
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: Morrison kept talking about going to war with China when
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: they had no armaments.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That was very stupid.
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: That there's a problem with the name you talk about
• 34:25
  Speaker 13: the Chinese that has an ethnic connetition connotation as well
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: as a national connotation. I've suggested people should use the
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: official title for the government of China and call it
• 34:34
  Speaker 13: the People's Republic of China or the PRC, to get
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: away from using the ethnic connotation. And of course labor
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: ruthlessly exploits anything the liberals do in that field. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: the liberals can't just winge and moan about it. They've
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: got to go out and court these voters. That's what
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: politics is. You believe in something, you fight for it,
• 34:54
  Speaker 13: you polarize the electorate, and you.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Win the argument.
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: You've got to win the argument against amongst Australians of
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: very diverse backgrounds.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: You're so correct, and the clumsy way of the terms
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: he used are so important. I mean, I've got many
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: many Chinese in laws whose families have been here for
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred years longer than my own, broader accents than
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: my own. To sort of lump them in with people
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: just just coming from China with relatives still there, liable
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: to being blackmailed or whatever or threatened by the Chinese
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Communist Party, I think it's a huge mistake, but there
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan, thank you so much for your time. After
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the break, Anthony Albert Easy today told.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Us the first promise he is going to keep and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: this promise tells you everything about the trouble we're now in.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I said earlier in the show that Emilia Hamer and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Ku Yong did not have how to votes in Chinese.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I'm told she did double sourded. Weren't at the booths
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: that the booth that I was at, but stay corrected
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on other booths.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: She did dot that I and cross that tee. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: said at the top of the show that Astray has
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: changed labor essentially in this election. It just bribed interest
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: groups to get their votes. There was nothing about the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: national interest, nothing about how to pay for it. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: the most appalling example was what Anthony Ivenizi today said
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: was the very first promise that he would honor when it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: Comes to legislation and policy.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: What is the first item on the.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: Agenda for you?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Twenty percent cut in student debt, as I promised.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: That's his most important promise, probably most effective one. A bribe,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a handout to university students who are more privileged than
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: most Australians, people who are getting an education subsidized one
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to earn more than other people. People who signed up
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: for that debt voluntarily now getting it paid for sixteen
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: billion dollars gone? Where was the national interest in that?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yet? I think there was a huge factor in Labor
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: winning this election. Joining me is a.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Panel this story of the late debate here in Sky
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: weekdays at ten pm as Stephen Shva, an author and senior.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Lectuor in history at Campion College.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Stephen to me, this was an election that had spoke
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: almost nothing about what was good for Australia and was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: everything about what.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Is in it for me? Where's mine? And the question
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: now and.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Number one for this government is how labor is going
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: to pay for all this?
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: For me? This is now hangover time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I think if there's anything we've learned over the
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  Speaker 14: last five years since COVID is that Australians don't particularly
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  Speaker 14: care how things are paid for. That is not a
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  Speaker 14: question that Australians tend to ask anymore. And the big
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  Speaker 14: change I think came with the COVID years.
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  Speaker 10: So how is it to pay for it?
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  Speaker 14: Well, I think it'll be more of the same. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: think that they'll basically pay it through going into more
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  Speaker 14: debt like they did through the COVID lockdowns. I think
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  Speaker 14: sort of some sneaky bracket creeping and income tax and
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  Speaker 14: higher taxation will probably do it, maybe even increasing taxes
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  Speaker 14: on things like superannuation.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 14: I went to the Labor website just before I came
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  Speaker 14: on air, and I looked up I looked up death
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: taxes on the Labor website, and the site basically says
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: the liberals are liars. The Liberals are liars, doesn't actually
• 38:32
  Speaker 14: say what they're lying about, and at no point on
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  Speaker 14: the page does it say we would never ever introduce
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  Speaker 14: death taxes. So they will do all this via taxes
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  Speaker 14: and via going into debt, and there's a sense in
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  Speaker 14: which they can't do it in any other way. The
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: belt in Australia cannot be tightened. About twenty five percent
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  Speaker 14: of Australians are making their income in the public service,
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  Speaker 14: eighty percent of new jobs in the public service. A
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  Speaker 14: lot of that is ndis the only way really to
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  Speaker 14: deliver are on these promises going into more debts and
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  Speaker 14: increasing taxation in all sorts of sneaky ways.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I doubt the death duties, but I do think
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  Speaker 2: the tax take will rise. But Liz, it goes to
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  Speaker 2: the fundamental issue. You know, if you've got an election
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  Speaker 2: where the winners never talked about the central issue facing us,
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  Speaker 2: which is now labor debt.
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  Speaker 1: For a decade to come.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Every year in the budget papers, they're going to rack
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  Speaker 2: up more debt, a trillion dollar debt next year, that's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the total gross debt will be more than a trillion dollars.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: The problems are there and they haven't actually gone to
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the election promising to fix them. So I wonder how
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  Speaker 2: this is now going to play out.
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  Speaker 15: Well, I think doctor Shivra hit the nail and the
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  Speaker 15: head there, Andrew more of the same. That is how
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: it's going to play out. Most of these aren't aware
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: of our growth national debt. They aren't aware that this
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  Speaker 15: financial year alone we've coughed up twenty two points billion
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  Speaker 15: dollars just in the interest on that debt, and that
• 40:04
  Speaker 15: is set to rise exponentially over the coming four years. Again,
• 40:10
  Speaker 15: that's just the interest. We're not actually paying down the debt.
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: We are bleeding throughout of every orifice just to try
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  Speaker 15: and achieve that much. But I'm always reminded when it
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: comes to these, as you put it, Andrew, these what's
• 40:23
  Speaker 15: in it for me elections is that no party can
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: run on the national interest anymore, because what is the
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: national interest If you don't have a homogeneous society. What
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: you're left with, as someone who's trying to run a
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: successful campaign is appealing to people's what's in it for me?
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: It was Milton Freeman who famously argued that when it
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: comes to government spending, we only have ourselves to blame
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: because we the people do incentivize these politicians every campaign
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: to spend more money because votes don't come cheap, and
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: people who haven't got a homogeneous society, who aren't pulling
• 41:04
  Speaker 15: in the same direction, who are just what's in it
• 41:07
  Speaker 15: for me, They're going to require politicians to spend more
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: and more money in order to get their vote. And
• 41:14
  Speaker 15: that's what we see happening now every single election cycle.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew absolutely look Stephen to pick up what Liz just said.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we can rail at the Labor Party for
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: winning this election with a bunch of handouts, that's it,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and a scare a bunch of handouts, but it's got
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: rewarded for that. It is responding to the culture, to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what people are wanting.
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  Speaker 14: That's exactly right. And the big question is what a
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: liberal party going to do in response to this? Are
• 41:46
  Speaker 14: they going to basically behave in kind and become basically
• 41:50
  Speaker 14: a glorified political Santa Claus, or are they going to
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: stick to their principles?
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  Speaker 6: But this is exactly right.
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: Australians have been groomed over the last five years to
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: look to the governments as basically a lever to Paul
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: to get free stuff. And once you get people addicted
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: to government jobs government handouts, it's almost impossible to get
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: them offit. And the only thing that can really get
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: them offit is basically economic catastrophe where it's no longer
• 42:18
  Speaker 14: available anymore, and political parties have to or really reinvent themselves,
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: which might be what the probably is what the Liberal
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: Party has to do.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: If it can be done.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Look, it's going to be real crisis for the Liberals.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I mean really, it goes Liz to a fundamental dilemma
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that parties face. Are you in there to fight for
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: your lost, for your cause even if you know you're
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: not going to win like the Greens, Or are you
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: there to win because without winning you've got no power anyway,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know, are you there to win and you just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: follow the polls through and do what's popular? Where are
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the Liberals on this.
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  Speaker 15: Well, if you give up your principles in order to win, Andrew,
• 43:00
  Speaker 15: what's the point of view? Like, seriously, what is the
• 43:03
  Speaker 15: point of view? And that is that is what I
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: said at nauseum. Throughout this campaign. There simply wasn't enough
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: points of differences. The things that we were apporting Peter
• 43:14
  Speaker 15: Dutton for and the Liberal Party team I just thought
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: were way too menial. They weren't brave enough, they weren't
• 43:20
  Speaker 15: big enough. Now people might say, oh, just as well
• 43:23
  Speaker 15: they didn't go any bigger, because clearly whatever road they
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: were headed down wasn't wasn't proving to be popular anyway
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: that had Don't you want to know, don't you want
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: to leave everything on the field, just go for Nobody
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: actually thought, well, I certainly didn't that the Libs could
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: win this time round, So why wouldn't you just your ball,
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: take your house for a spin.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Well, when you say bigger, I think they just weren't memorable.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we did a pop quiz just a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: week from now and said what were the what were
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the Liberals promising? I reckon ninety of Australians wouldn't actually know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing. Liz Stora Stepha Javura.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much to you both after the break.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry's most illusional interview yet and what Trump factor
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: when Trump's best made in Britain just had a huge
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: election win. Fans of Donald Trump say, no, Trump did
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: not cost pitted Up in this election. And the proof
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: is that Trump's biggest political ally in the West is
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: large off for Rage, head of Britain's anti immigration reform party.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Yet last week Farage had a huge win in Britain's
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: council elections, smashing both the Labour and the Conservative Party
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and even winning a parliamentary by election for what had
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: been a very safe Labour seat. Joined me from London
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: as writer broadcast on comin sess the crack Who has
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: so great to see you now? In Canada and Australia,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Trump is blamed for destroying right wing oppositions in the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: elections last week in Britain with Farage, he did not.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: I mean with Britain and Farage. Farage has been one
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: of the most consistent and visible politicians for the last
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: twenty years. I think that's why the dynamic is quite
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: different in Canada and Australia. For example, I think the
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: Conservatives really struggle to paint a n actual, positive, consistent,
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: coherent future for their countries. But in Britain, the fact,
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: the fact is that the two main parties people are
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: getting the sense that actually, we can't really do much
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: worse than this lot, So what do we have to
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: risk with going with Nigro Farrage and also Farage has
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: been consistent for twenty years. I mean, this man has
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: always said what he thinks, no one can doubt what
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: he thinks, and I think people are really starting to
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: trust that he has a coherent ideology that could actually
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: pull Britain from the RUD. I mean, this man took
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: Reform from two counselors to over six hundred. He bled
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: the Tory Party and the Labor Party in fantastic ways.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: I mean they won mayoral seats in deep, deep red
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: wall seats in the north of England, really industrial seats,
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: and he also won one another MP in Parliament in
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: one of the safest I think, the sixteenth safest Labor
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: seat in the country. I mean, these are the kinds
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: of people that end up in the cabinet because they're
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: basically unshakable. So I think it's quite different I do
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: think Elon Musk also helped because I think it showed
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: that Nage Franz was willing to kind of go against
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: the whole Trump Elon coalition when it suited Britain, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: I think that's something that Pierre Poulie and Peter Duston
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: and Australia struggled to get through.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, Elon Musk even told the Farage very publicly to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: quit resign as leader because he wasn't right wing enough,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: so that's obviously helped him. No one could say that
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Farage needed was copying Trump.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It was the original.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry last week lost what he called his most
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: important court case yet to force British security services to
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: give him and his family the same protection as other
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: members of the royal family.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Then gave this bitter interview.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, some members my family will never forgive me
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: for writing a book. Of course they will never forgive
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: me for.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Lots of thing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: But you know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: There is I would I would I.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Would love I would love reconciliation with my family. I've
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: always you know, there's no point in continuing to fight anymore.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: As I said, life is precious. I don't know how
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: much longer my father has. You know, he he won't
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: speak to me because of this security stuff, but it
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: would be nice to It was nice to be really
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: nice to reconcile.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It's that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: How much is this man in denial when elsewhere in
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the interview it's just he wants to reconciliation with the family.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: He suggests that might want him killed.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's delusional. I mean, he wants reconciliation
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: with a gun to their heads. How can they reconcile
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: with a man who runs to Netflix and the press
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: when he doesn't get his way. I mean, how exactly
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: is that supposed to work? He thinks the only reason
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: why they don't speak to him is because of the
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: security stuff, which, by the way, the courts were right.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: But what about his book, what about the Oprah interview?
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: What about the fact that he insulted his sister in
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: law and stepmother and brother. I mean, he's completely deluded.
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: It actually beggars belief. But he's going to have a
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: hard reckoning at some point.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's what's been the reaction there.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I see leaks from the palaces, supposedly I even know
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: whether to take them seriously, that the King's Cordius are
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: saying it is delusional.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: He is delusional, and the King will probably never speak
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: to him now. I think this man who's seventy seven,
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: who's undergoing Canter treatment, shouldn't have to deal with his
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: belligerent son running to the media all the time. Most
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: people again are calling for their titles.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: To be removed.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: But also, you know, I think most people have sympathy
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: with the royal family, even people who are not royals.
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: How could you tolerate someone that you know, blast all
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: your personal intimate family details online on the media to
• 48:41
  Speaker 8: very pressed that he disdains and things killed his mother.
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: He is completely delusional.
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  Speaker 1: It's a crack you always great to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That's it from me, Sherry Maxon
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  Speaker 2: next good Night,