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Phillies meeting with Bo Bichette, Skubal v. Tigers epic arb battle, Ketel Marte staying in AZ, Cody Bellinger wants 7 years? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: AJ, you want to open up the show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's goot. Congratulations to you on your team.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great game, by the way, not that
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  Speaker 2: I was rooting for your team, but I will say this,
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  Speaker 2: it was a great, great game. The fourth quarter of
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  Speaker 2: that game. The first half was kind of black, but
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of that game was incredible. I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe I stayed up the whole time. And guess what's
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  Speaker 2: got now? Drew Pomerance has to wear that ugly green
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  Speaker 2: and orange uniform one day.
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  Speaker 1: Top either did you hear about that? Drew Pomerance made
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  Speaker 1: a bet with us and oh right, I forgot. We
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  Speaker 1: were together yesterday. AJ has Devin Hester Hurricanes jersey. But
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those little belly shirt jerseys.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so.
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  Speaker 1: It already got rejected. We did try when we were
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  Speaker 1: on the interview with Pomerance, and we're like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we're not.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna wouldn't fit on much.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't even fit a art.
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't even get it over like his shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I just maybe we can get them ash
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  Speaker 1: medium though, since it is a Miami Hurricanes jersey and
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  Speaker 1: there are many frat bros wearing mediums. Down there.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what the Miami receiver was. His last
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  Speaker 4: name Tony or something. I forget his last name, but
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  Speaker 4: he was unbelievable last night.
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  Speaker 1: Quarterback. We'll calm collected too, mister Carson back man, you'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be cool comic collective if you were thirty two years
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  Speaker 2: old and had seventeen million in the bank already.
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  Speaker 1: Scott, it's not college football, AJ, I call it pro.
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  Speaker 2: It's pro pro min it's minor league football.
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  Speaker 1: People love minor league football little more than they love
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  Speaker 1: minor league baseball. Or in a different way, we'll put
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  Speaker 1: its exactly. I love minor league baseball, but yes I
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  Speaker 1: am not following the championship of minor league baseball like
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  Speaker 1: we do in college football. Anyway, there's a ton of
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  Speaker 1: news today, very newsy news. So let's jump into a
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  Speaker 1: topic that I'm excited to have you both for from
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  Speaker 1: the jump here, charge about Todd Father and I started
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  Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday, and we're going to dive into
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  Speaker 1: it again. AJ. You missed the arbitration fund that we
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  Speaker 1: had yesterday, but you didn't miss the headliner. After our show,
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  Speaker 1: it comes out that Trek Scouble and the Tigers.
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  Speaker 3: Have a little bit of separation.
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  Speaker 1: I think you just texted me a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: separation between the two. So the reporting for Schooble Tigers
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  Speaker 1: nineteen million, Scooble thirty two million dollars. And here's how
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  Speaker 1: arbitration works. If you actually go to a case, they
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  Speaker 1: find the midpoint. And this is Mark Feinstand explaining it
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  Speaker 1: very well MLB insider. He said, it's the biggest ever
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  Speaker 1: spread in arbitration. Keep in mind the number will matter
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  Speaker 1: in a hearing. It's not nineteen or thirty two until
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  Speaker 1: the winner or loser is decided. It's twenty five point
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  Speaker 1: five million. That's the midpoint. Each side has to prove
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  Speaker 1: Schooble is worth one dollar above or one dollar below
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  Speaker 1: that number. So aj if the Court of Baseball decides
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  Speaker 1: that an arbitration panel decides that Schooble is worth twenty
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  Speaker 1: five point five million dollars plus one penny or a
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  Speaker 1: dollar whatever, then he will get thirty two million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: If they think he's worth less than that number, then
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  Speaker 1: he will get nineteen. So what do you think of
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  Speaker 1: this big battle we're about to enter.
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  Speaker 2: I think both teams are surprised by word the other
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  Speaker 2: one filed meaning Schooble's team and the Tigers, because I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I think the record for arbitration is nineteen
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  Speaker 2: point seventy five. David Price with I believe the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: So for a pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: He dated for a pitcher, sorry for a pitcher. So
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers are probably thinking, well, we went to nineteen
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  Speaker 2: how much higher can he be?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Thirty two? He is the back to back Say Young
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  Speaker 2: Award winner. I hope he wins, just because I want
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  Speaker 2: the players to get all the money. Listen to somebody
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  Speaker 2: that went through this arbitration process. It sucks as a
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  Speaker 2: player because you just sit there across He's gonna sit
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  Speaker 2: across from Scott Harris and all a couple other front
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  Speaker 2: office people that he knows well, and they're gonna say
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  Speaker 2: how bad Tarrek Schouble is at this, and how bad
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  Speaker 2: Terreork Schooble is at that. And you walk out of
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  Speaker 2: there and you're like, I hate this team because they
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  Speaker 2: just blast you. Now, if you can go in there
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  Speaker 2: with an open mind and just say they're just doing
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  Speaker 2: their job. It's hard, though, And I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be a free agent after this, because
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  Speaker 2: after you go through this unless they offer you just
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  Speaker 2: a massive contract, which you haven't been willing to do.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna walk away from this with the bad taste
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  Speaker 2: in his mouth. And if I was the Tigers, I'd
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  Speaker 2: just be like, how about we give you twenty five
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  Speaker 2: million right now?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 2: What do you say? No?
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  Speaker 1: You know you think he would, you think maybe get
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  Speaker 1: to this point. I think he's going to be pretty
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  Speaker 1: tough with them because I'd be pissed. I want back
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  Speaker 1: to back cy Young Awards, and I know Todd father
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  Speaker 1: has experience with this. Before you go, Todd, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to point out David Price holds that record nineteen
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  Speaker 1: point seventy five million that records from twin twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, the Tigers filed less than what David Price
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  Speaker 1: got a decade plus a go Ino Cyrus pointed out
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter that nineteen point seventy five million, just based
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  Speaker 1: on inflation alone, is now worth twenty seven million dollars
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  Speaker 1: and Schooble had a better season than Price and it's
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  Speaker 1: back to back cy Young Awards. So if I'm making
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  Speaker 1: that case, I'm feeling really strongly right now that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to tip the scales towards me being worth a
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  Speaker 1: little more than twenty five And if that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: I might as well just sit pretty state my case
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  Speaker 1: and get thirty two million dollars and really change the sport.
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  Speaker 1: Starting pitchers are underpaid in arbitration.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And to go back to all your points here,
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  Speaker 4: it's funny David Price. It was eleven years ago, nineteen
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  Speaker 4: point seven five, he didn't even win a cy Young
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  Speaker 4: and he got nineteen point seven five. I think this
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  Speaker 4: case right here, I think school boy has it in
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  Speaker 4: my opinion. I think he has it in the bag.
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  Speaker 4: If you want the truth, I think the team is
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  Speaker 4: going to go back and look at Jacob deGrom. I
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  Speaker 4: was looking all this up. He had one cy Young
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  Speaker 4: and he got seventeen million. But this is his second
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  Speaker 4: one Schooble, second in a row. So where do you
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  Speaker 4: put that price range? I put it up there just
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  Speaker 4: I think the price is just where it needs to be.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you look back on some of these
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  Speaker 4: things again we talk about Price. He didn't have a
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  Speaker 4: cy Young Award. It was that nineteen seventy five. So
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  Speaker 4: where does two cy Young awards make them? I honestly
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  Speaker 4: think it's in the bag. I think Schooble made the
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  Speaker 4: right choice by going a little bit higher. And I
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  Speaker 4: think if you look at the value of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it was, if it's dollar over a dollar.
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  Speaker 3: Less, I think it's an easy, easy win for him.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how he can lose this one, knowing
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  Speaker 4: that he's pretty much the undisputed best pitcher in baseball.
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  Speaker 4: He's got two Cy Young Award awards, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: if we're going back to each of these things, I
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  Speaker 4: think I think he has this one in the bag.
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  Speaker 3: Scott a j.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also Todd Father, by the way, give me
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  Speaker 1: a little tilt this way, right, babe, Yeah, on the
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  Speaker 1: same camera. Well, because he's lee by the way, but
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  Speaker 1: it took the day off.
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  Speaker 2: Something that helps it helps him, by the way, school
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  Speaker 2: is he because he's in his sixth year, which is
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  Speaker 2: he's five plus, he can use other pitchers contracts as
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  Speaker 2: a comp He can use Zach Wheeler at forty two.
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  Speaker 2: He can use Jacob b. Gram at thirty seven million. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So he's saying, man, if those guys are worth that,
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  Speaker 2: I have two cy Young's under my belt the last
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  Speaker 2: two years, pay me and listen as somebody that went
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  Speaker 2: through this again and at the time, now this was
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and four, I set a record for the
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  Speaker 2: highest three plus catcher and first time arbitration catcher. At
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  Speaker 2: the time, it wasn't very much, but it wasn't thirty
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  Speaker 2: whatever million. He wants, trust me. But the Union wants
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  Speaker 2: these wins, The Player Association wants these wins, and the
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  Speaker 2: owners don't want them to win. So both sides are
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  Speaker 2: going to throw everything they have. They had me go
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  Speaker 2: last and arbitration in two thousand and four because I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to set a record for catchers and I won,
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  Speaker 2: so the Union, obviously, the PA was excited. The owners,
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  Speaker 2: and I was on the Giants at time, they were
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  Speaker 2: very happy, right So, but both sides through everything they
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  Speaker 2: had at it because the owners want to keep the
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  Speaker 2: salaries down. The PA wants the salaries to go up,
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  Speaker 2: and arbitration is one way for them to try to
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  Speaker 2: regulate this. So both teams are going to both sides
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  Speaker 2: are going to go hard, hard at this and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be fascinating. I hope he gets it. I
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  Speaker 2: hope he wins because it'll only help players in the future.
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  Speaker 3: And to finish a point too. Look, look, at CESE.
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  Speaker 4: He just got thirty million dollars in free agency after
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  Speaker 4: being hurt, So, like, you got to take all this
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  Speaker 4: into accountability. There's so much leaning towards Schoogle being that
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  Speaker 4: guy to make this money. If if he does lose,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how just because of all the cases
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  Speaker 4: of what he has right now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back and look at everything.
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  Speaker 3: But again, I'm not an arbiter. I'm not in the court.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what else they can go by besides
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  Speaker 4: Jacob de gram seventeen million after one cy young. To me,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, I know, thirty two and nineteen is
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  Speaker 4: a huge difference, but I think he's worked every point
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  Speaker 4: of that thirty two million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And also, just for clarification, I don't think Cease
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  Speaker 1: has been durable. He's been okay, But I you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Cease obviously isn't Schoogle. There's a big difference.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm hearing. These guys are getting paid, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he deserves more than what these guys are getting a
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  Speaker 3: lot more.
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  Speaker 1: To me, this is a fundamental issue in the sport
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  Speaker 1: right now, among many But why eleven years later is
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  Speaker 1: the number of the same like in what world? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but the revenue numbers
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  Speaker 1: back then probably not as shiny, probably half that, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about inflation the whole deal. It'll be a
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  Speaker 1: great battle.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the tigers, though, why don't you go and
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  Speaker 2: say we'll give you twenty seven, twenty eight thirty right now. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go over the midpoint right now and get this
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  Speaker 2: done so you don't have to go sit in that
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  Speaker 2: room if you have a chance of resigning them.
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  Speaker 3: Are you, Yeah, you're allowed to.
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  Speaker 2: You can sign up to the minute. You can sign
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  Speaker 2: up to the minute that the trial starts. And for
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  Speaker 2: those people that have never heard of what happens at arbitration.
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  Speaker 2: You walk in. There's these long table. It's shaped like
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  Speaker 2: a te it's shaped like this. There's three arbitrators sitting
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  Speaker 2: at this end, the players Association and the player on
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  Speaker 2: this side, and on the other side of the GMS
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  Speaker 2: and the the in the owner's people. And you sit
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  Speaker 2: there and you as a player, you sit right at
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  Speaker 2: the tee right here, and right across from you is
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  Speaker 2: the GM or the assistant GM. Whoever is running the case,
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  Speaker 2: and you just stare at them, and the union says,
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  Speaker 2: do not make any emotions, no matter what kind of
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  Speaker 2: stuff they what kind of bullshit they tell. And when
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  Speaker 2: my case, they told some serious bullshit, and there was
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times where my agent had to kick
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  Speaker 2: me under the table because I wanted to like laugh
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  Speaker 2: at some of the stuff they pull out. Stuff you
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  Speaker 2: just don't even think is is even it's not relevant,
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  Speaker 2: but they just pull it out.
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  Speaker 1: And the arbitration panels not that smart on baseball, or
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  Speaker 1: often it's not that smart on baseball. I guess that's
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  Speaker 1: for them. Kind of the point. I don't know, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like you're just independent. You're supposed to come in there
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  Speaker 1: and just be like, present me what you've got. There's
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  Speaker 1: some teams and I don't remember what the list is.
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  Speaker 1: There are some teams that have a file and trial,
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  Speaker 1: meaning yesterday is the deadline. You either figure it out
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  Speaker 1: or refile our numbers. But most teams nowadays can still
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  Speaker 1: settle between the time period yesterday of the deadline and
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  Speaker 1: then the arbitration cases, which for the most part occur
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  Speaker 1: in February. So AJ my response as fake schoogle representation
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  Speaker 1: today is hell no on your twenty five mil. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to start talking twenty six, twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight, we can start having a conversation, right because
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  Speaker 1: think about it, he would significantly raise the tide for
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  Speaker 1: arbitration at that point and you would take the risk
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  Speaker 1: away of losing a case. Also, human beings are on
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  Speaker 1: this case, and AJ we've joked about this in the past.
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  Speaker 1: It's three guys on an arbitration panel, and if it
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  Speaker 1: shifts one way or another too much, one side fires
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  Speaker 1: the other. So this is going to be the most
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  Speaker 1: controversial case ever if we get to that point. And
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  Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that the arbitration panel will
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  Speaker 1: be more worried about MLB than the PA. So if
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  Speaker 1: I am a Google, you don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: No, because it also depends on this. Okay, So if
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  Speaker 2: you notice an arbitration by the way, they're chasing somebody
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  Speaker 2: in Chicago, if you can hear the sirens. But the
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  Speaker 2: arbitration cases are usually pretty even, like it's win loss
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  Speaker 2: win laws. I know the owners have won more than
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  Speaker 2: they've lost over the course of the history, but every
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  Speaker 2: year it's kind of like almost fifty to fifty with
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  Speaker 2: the owners winning like thirteen to eleven or twelve to
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  Speaker 2: ten or nine to seven, whatever the numbers are. And
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  Speaker 2: every once in a while the players will sneak in one.
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  Speaker 2: But let's say it's eight to eight going down to
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  Speaker 2: Schoogle and it could sway one way or the other.
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  Speaker 2: And again, these are all made up numbers. But man,
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  Speaker 2: because they are, I don't know who they're hired by,
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  Speaker 2: if they're dually hired by the players Association and the owners.
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  Speaker 2: But man, can you imagine being like, oh, I want
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  Speaker 2: my job again, who do I vote for?
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. All of the other cases combined
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  Speaker 1: basically equal to separation in this like most of the
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  Speaker 1: other cases Todd Feather, There's there's one case that's a
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  Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars separation. You hope that one gets settled,
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  Speaker 1: and then all the way up to I think the
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  Speaker 1: highest separation besides Schooble this year is like a million
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  Speaker 1: and a half. So if you think about it, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is the case. This is like the case of
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  Speaker 1: the century for arbitration.
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  Speaker 4: If we actually go this is what you know, people say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this guy won, this guy lost. They don't
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  Speaker 4: remember everything that happens during the game, you know you don't,
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  Speaker 4: but there's this one moment that you remember. Oh this
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  Speaker 4: is what tilted everything. Well, this is this is the moment.
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  Speaker 4: This is the moment right here in arbitration. If Schooble
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  Speaker 4: happens to win, it'll be an absolute monster win for players.
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  Speaker 4: If he happens to lose, okay, you know, just another
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  Speaker 4: loss in the book. This MLB has all to lose here,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, and nothing to gain if you want
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  Speaker 4: the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why if you're schooling, I do think,
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  Speaker 1: I do think he's gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing they gain, Todd, is if they win,
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  Speaker 2: they hold salaries down, right, that's kind of their job.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they have to win, right, the win. But
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers lose if they goes to case, no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: whether they win or lose, because if he loses, schoogle
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  Speaker 2: School's gonna be pissed. And if he wins, he's still
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  Speaker 2: gonna be pissed, but he's gonna be happy that he
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  Speaker 2: got the money, but that he had to go through it.
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  Speaker 2: But the owners win, Todd. The way the owners win
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  Speaker 2: is if they win, they hold salaries down because the
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  Speaker 2: next guy, whoever that next person is, goes Google. Wont
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  Speaker 2: two so Youngs. Paul Schemes would be the next guy,
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  Speaker 2: right if he doesn't sign a long term deal at
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  Speaker 2: some point by the Pirates. Sorry, wow, sorry, I made
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  Speaker 2: myself laugh and choke right there. I send the long
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  Speaker 2: term deal from the pirates Paul Schemes. But when he
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  Speaker 2: gets arbitration in a couple of years, okay year a
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  Speaker 2: cy young Scooble got thirty two my first year arbitration,
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be looking at ten to twelve maybe,
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  Speaker 2: and then by the time he gets to his thirty
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  Speaker 2: year arbitration, he could be in the forties maybe. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is what the owner is. This is
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  Speaker 2: why arbitration is such a tricky process. Teams hate going through.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they do the file and trial because most
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  Speaker 2: players get scared at the end and say, oh, take
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want, right, but you know what you deserve it. Derek,
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  Speaker 2: You've been through it, You've been hurt. Now you're the
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  Speaker 2: best picture of the planet. If you wont two so
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  Speaker 2: Young's in a row. You've carried this team to the
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  Speaker 2: postseason for two years in a row. Go get that glue,
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  Speaker 2: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Know you guys will love this. MLB has been trying
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of the arbitration system and essentially, as
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  Speaker 1: far as I know, replace it with just a pure
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: numbers based system where they calculate a number and then
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: say this is what you're worth. And that is not
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: advantatious to players, and that's why they want to keep
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: the case thing going. Right, You're going to sum everyone
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: up by a number. For those that think there's way
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: too many numbers involved already, that would take it to
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: another level. So I don't think that's going to happen,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: but it makes things very interesting. I do also want
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to show the Rangers tweet because you have the Tigers
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: in a battle with Tyrek Skoobel and it could get
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: ugly and fans are already pissed that they haven't signed
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: him long term. How about this tweet from Rangers Nation.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: The Ranger streak of avoiding salary arbitration has reached twenty
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: six consecutive years. As the club finalized their agreements, they
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: entered the offseason with nine are of eligible players. In
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: addition to those four they reached a deal with, They've
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: listed some other dudes but anyway, the fact that they
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: have not gone to an arbitration hearing since two thousand,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Lee Stevens, that's crazy. A twenty six year streak. It's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the longest in MLB history, surpassing Detroit's active streak by
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: one year. And Detroit's active streak is on the line
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: with mister Scoogle, whoa, it's everyone's favorite song? Where will
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: bo go? And we do have a new contender in
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the mix? I would call them a new contender, guys.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't really think the Phillies were going
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to be serious, and from the article that Ken and
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Matt Gelb put together in The Athletic, I think it
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: should be taken somewhat seriously. The Phillies have been known
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to spend a pretty penny on players like this. So
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: there is a little back and forth video exchange that
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: is going to occur with these two. They'll have a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: little video conference call to talk about life and if
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: they feel like there's a fit. But here's where it
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: gets even more interesting to me, Todd Father, the Phillies
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just do this and then nothing else. They would
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: have to trade someone like aj just mentioned. So that's
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Stott or Boem, and it's probably Bohm who's entering his
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: free agent year. And then I guess you put bo
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: at third. Guess what. Bobashet has never played third. He's
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: played a little second, he looked really good there, but
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: he's never played third. And then there's the JT. Real
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Muto factor where we're not sure if they're going to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: bring him back if they end up spending this money
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: on Bobashett. But one other thing I'll say is that
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the Phillies are just about at that luxury tax number.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They're already at a certain level of luxury text, but
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: they're almost at the number where it's one hundred and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: ten percent of every dollar over. So that means if
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Bobaschet is getting paid thirty million dollars next year, it
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: would really be like seventy million dollars in terms of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: what it costs them.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there's a lot of unknowns here.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: What do the Phillies want to do? Is there somebody
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: that wants Alec Baum? Is there an opportunity where they
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: really think he fits well at third base? And I
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: guess there's something to it, because they did have a meeting.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I think Bob would fit very well with this Philly team.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I think they would help out substantially. But then there's
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of different decisions that the Phillies are going
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: to have to make too as well. His name has
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: been out there for a while. There's been a couple guys,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: but bobashett I feel like he's one of the most
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: interesting guys out there. Lo and behold because what he
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: did in the playoffs injured, I thought it was spectacular.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: He hit that big home run even though they didn't
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: win it. He's a guy, he's a team guy, played
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: second base to help his team win.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want him? I mean, who wouldn't want a
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: guy like that?
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: So he's gonna be fully healthy, uh, coming into the season,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: and he's gonna go out there and dominate. Which whatever
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: team is going to pick him up. But yeah, seeing
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the Phillies kind of get after it a little bit here,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: it's inspiring. I know Kraty's gonna be happy about that
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: to hear, but we'll see what happens with them. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: know there's other teams lingering, but we're getting closer to
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: spring training, guy, so you know, either should or get
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: off the pot here.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: It's coming up soon, agreed.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Here's my question for you guys. We don't know what
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Bo's asking for. Okay, we don't know where we'll bogo.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: We know that the song says it, but we also
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: don't know what he's asking for. My question on this
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: whole thing is, it's the same kind of with Bellinger.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Two guys sometimes in their agents overshoot their worth. Okay,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm not saying Bo's not worth a ton of money,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: but the way the Phillies can get in on this is,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: let's say both thought he was gonna get ten years
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: three fifteen, but now all of a sudden that offer's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: not out there, and now it's seven years two hundred, right,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: so it cuts it down a little bit. I don't know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: because I've fought over this and I've seen some interesting
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: thoughts on this online and stuff. And you know Bo's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: ops is eight oh six, which you know doesn't put
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: him in that upper echelon of superstars, right, So maybe
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that's what's happened. I do hope not, because Bo's a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: great player, like Todd said, and I think he can
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: bring a lot to a team offensively, defensively, just pure
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: being around the clubhouse. So I don't know if that's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the case, but it's just an interesting There's so many
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: interesting case studies. We Alex Fragmant and his age get
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a long term deal, what happens with Kyle Tucker because
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of all the questions with him? Right, it's an interesting
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: case of what a club's value with these major free
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: agents that are left, and what are the teams out
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: there that are willing to go to their price? And
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: as soon as one of them gets so you would
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: think these guys would sign, and as soon as one signs,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I think you'll see an avalanche.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: For me aj.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I love this because I do feel as if the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Phillies have to do something different, something different, right, I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: mean if that means the pain of losing some guys
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that have been part of the core for a while,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: like Bohm and Real. Muto is a big deal there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: The pitchers love working with him. I know that would
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: be complicated and difficult, but I just don't want to
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: keep running out the same exact lineup. If I'm Philadelphia,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that's me and I think Boba Schett would be a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: huge factor for them, not just during a season where
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: he's almost always a hits leader, but I think he's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: got the playoff or as crafts they do, though he
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: always looks for But.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: What you said, Scott is true, and people, not only
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you and Kratz especially have been calling for this, but
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Philly fans have been calling for mix it up. That's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: why Alec Bohm has been such a popular trade target,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: right or trade rumor, I guess would be the right word. Right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: That's why Brandon marsh and whoever they try to do
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that when they brought in Baitor this year to mix
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: up some things that the Philly fans, especially when Kratz
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: is back on Nick you ask him, but they've been
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kind of clamoring for a mix up because they're Nola's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: older wheelers older, right, So they went out and got
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Lazardo Sworez Rangers sare is probably going to be gone,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: but you have Sanchez, so they kind of want to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: changing in the guard. But Turner Harper now Schwarber's back,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: real Mudo might not come back, right, So there's been
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: some different changes, but Philly fans are like, we want
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to blow this up. This team is still really good.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Let's not forget this team is still really good. It's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: not like they finished in fifth place last year. It's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: not like they were the Rockies last year they won
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the division. They lost to a Dodgers team that went
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: on and won the World Series for the second year
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a row.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel as if the results aren't there
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: when you need them at the at the playoffs, in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I'm like baseball.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Hard, Scott, you never played. Tell them baseball is hard.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: It's hard to win.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It's really hard to win.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Why are you going to put the same roster out
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: there every time.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: They did it? They've changed it up. They brought it Duran,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they brought in Lizardo, they brought in Harrison Vader. It's
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: a different team. It's not the exact same team as
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it was two three years ago. They brought in little
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: pieces to try. But there's guys you can't get rid of.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They were't going to get rid of real mood Are
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They were going to get rid of Shwerber. They weren't
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: going to get rid of Harper. They weren't going to
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: get rid of Trey Turner. They have Nola, they have Wheeler,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they have these guys. Sanchez who had a great year
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for him. They brought in some different pieces to try
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: different things. You can't just blow it all up because
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Scott want Scott bron wants to. It's really hard to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: win a World Series.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: They should be World Series champs with those names that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you're saying, that's how good of a team they are.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So exactly that's my point. If we have all these
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: big ass names, then why aren't we getting the results
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that we want.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: It's confusing, very.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Look how using it is for a one of those
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: like I don't know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It was fun because I don't know what the fuck
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Scott's talking about.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Your face was worth a thousand words. It's Friday, baby.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Katel Marte is off the market. We just heard it
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: from Ken Rosenthal. How does it affect the rest of
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the market. Well, it takes a superstar bat off of
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the market. I mean that's who he is. Aj We've
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: talked about him for a while. Tell Marte is a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: superstar bat and he was going to cost about twenty
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: million year over the next five years. Not only is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: he off the market now, he is probably off the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: market forever. Most guys do not want to be traded
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: away from Arizona, especially if Arizona is competitive. Which it
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: sounds like they will be so it sounds like the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: marriage will continue for another five years.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: When does he hit ten five?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: He hits ten five in like April, like it's coming up.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That's why they were like, let's explore this now, see
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: if we can get a boat load.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And you know there's times and Todd you know this too,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: like even though you have ten five and a no
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: trade team, no one are not used no one As
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: an example, we just had the Cardinals on right where
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: teams go, you know what, we really want to trade you.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Sonny Gray had a no trade and he accepted a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: trade to Boston. Were there like Wilson Contrells's another one.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: They're like, hey, you know we're not going to be
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: any good. Can we trade you? And depending on where
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that trade is, guys will say yes. Or you can
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: always have the Phil Nevin story where Phil, we want
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to trade you. No, I'm good, Okay, you're catching tomorrow, Okay,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'll accept the trade. Thank you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, crazy, They wanted to trade Phil. Phill was
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a catcher when he came up to Padrey said we
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: want to trade you. We had ten to five and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: they go, Okay, guess what, Phil, You're now a catcher.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: They caught him in a game and then he was
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: traded like a day later. He's like, yeah, I'm good guys.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, where it'sking injury too? Listen, did I
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: from what the Diamondbacks have done. I mean they've been
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: in talks with everybody bragman, of course. But I like
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: cattle Martell, I I really do. I think think he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: a superb hitter. I think he fits well in Arizona, nice, quiet,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: hot Arizona. You know, everybody talks about how good he is.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: He doesn't bring any baggage. He plays the game the
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: right way. I honestly think this was the right move.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And now they got to get some pitch and fill.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the next thing is then for doing.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Are they gonna trade find a free agent? There's a
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: bunch of them out there. So, like I said, before,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the clock is ticking. They got this team has to
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: get going to there's a bunch of teams. But for
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the Diningback to say they're not trade and then Marte
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: can do whatever the heck he pleases now and I'll
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: go out and dominate.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: If they had Alex Bragman, that would be sick. It's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: not out of the realm. I know that it's been
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: talked about for a while now, and I don't know
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a Kratz is on the camp like it's not a thing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: It's just making sure that there's another suitor involved, that is,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you know, going to maybe compete with the Red Sox,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: even if they're really not for the money offer. Are
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you more in that camp or do you think there's
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: any seriousness to I will say and own he does this.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: He's one of those wake up and decide something different.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And there are multiple owners who operate like this. Artie
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Morino is one of those as well, where sometimes they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: wake up and they just say, screw it. I'm signing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Anthony Rendon and Ken Kendrick goes screw it. I'm signing
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns. Alex Bragman would change the game in Arizona.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I agree. I just I don't see. I just don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: see it happen. I just I don't. I don't. I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: wish they would, because listen, it's always good. It's good
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for the game and good for the fans. When not
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, whoever you want
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to throw into that list of teams isn't doing all
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the signings of guys, right when you get the Arizona signing,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: when you get Pittsburgh signing a couple guys this year,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: when you get other teams that go out and sign guys,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I just it's gonna be hard for me to see
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Bragman not go back to Boston. I'm sorry, It's gonna
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: be really really hard for me not to see him
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: back in Boston.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And Boston has options if it doesn't work out, that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: could end up being the destination for Boba Schet right,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: That's why you have a little bit of a logjam.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I guess I do think that I don't like to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: do that. Oh, this person is holding up the market situation.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But I do think that there is a little wait
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and see with the Blue Jays on Kyle Tucker. That's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: supposed to be the high end contract and then maybe
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: things fill out a little bit more. But what do
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I know, show me the money money. That's not Cody
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Bellinger on the line with the Yankees. That is from
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: an old movie, Jerry maguire, Todd Father. You know, I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like to reference that every time we can. Thirty million
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: dollars is the report that we saw from Brendan Coody,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: who covers the team really well for the Athletic and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: he put out there Yankees offer more than thirty million
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: per year, but gaps remain in conversationations. Cody's camp wants
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: seven years. The number that the Yankees are putting out
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: there would be a top five number for an outfielder
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in terms of average annual value. We do not know
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: how many years. That is not a known figure at
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the moment, but Brendan says thirty that would place after
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Soto's fifty one, Judges forty trouts thirty five and a half.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Bets is thirty, so they'd be right there, neck and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: neck with Mookie Betts. After that is Christian Yelich, by
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the way, six on the list in terms of outfield money.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: The one other thing Todd father that was in this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: article was comps Pete Alonso gets five years one to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: fifty five. That's thirty one a year through his age
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: thirty five season. Cody is thirty years old, so I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: guess he's what basically the same age as Pete. Are
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: very close. Schwarber which I think is kind of a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: different person. In case got five to one to fifty
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to thirty a year through his age thirty seven season.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: He has been aging well already, right, I mean his
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: best year might have been this past season at whatever,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: thirty two years old.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: So at all of the.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Up where are we at? And fans look at this
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: and want to kind of blame one side, like is
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Cody being too greedy if it's say a five year
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: deal and he wonts seven if it's five years thirty
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a year at one fifty ish? Is he being too greedy?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Or the Yanks or should they just kumbayan say six
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: point eighty let's do this tomorrow.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I'm lick in between on this because I love that
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: they're doing comps and they get to see, like who
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: made this and who made that. I'm looking at the
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: numbers here as well. Mookie BET's thirty point four? Yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: is he right around there? I think maybe below. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I like the thirty million dollars. I think he's worth
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: every penny of it. I do it just a matter again,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: like you talk about years.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just you never know what's going on in
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: their minds. Is this is this a ploy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Is this something to post up there just to get
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: people's minds going. And I think, honestly that's part of it,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: just to get the fans excited or get them frustrated.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I want the players to make as much money as possible.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not an agent, but at the same time, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: you have to look at other people and see where
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: you might you know, fit, and you go buy numbers.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And that's what baseball is. It's a numbers game. So
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: this is a start.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Scott I talked all the time about him, like, dude,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: we got to get something going here.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: So we're seeing a figure here at least from somebody.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And to me, aj the Yankees are holding firm like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we're not going seven years. Maybe it's five, maybe it's six.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: They might already be at six, they might be at
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: six point eighty, and they're like, dude, we're not giving
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you seven. We don't feel like anyone else in the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: marketplace has given you seven. And this is where we'd
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: like to stop. Cody's a very good player. He was
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a five win player this past season, fourteenth in MVP.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He does it all in terms of the tools and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of the athleticism and the positions that he
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: can play. But it's not been a perfect ride for him.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: AJ.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: He's had some lows and lows. He's been what non
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: tendered by the Dodgers, traded multiple times or right, no,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: traded once. I guess he signed with the Cubs on
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that deal. Then he didn't use the opt out. He
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: stayed for one more season, then traded to the Yankees.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: They had a great year this past season. Really good player.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It's just that it is a tough sell sometimes to say, Okay,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: this guy's going to go over the two hundred mill
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: mark when a few years ago the Dodgers wouldn't pay
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: him like seventeen and a half million bucks for one year.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that. That's what's That's what's interesting about
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger is if you go back two years, he
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: was a two two war player, Right, he has a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: lower career ops plus than Bo Baschett. Okay, by one
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: twenty one for Bashett. And that's the numbers they all
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: look at. So I just don't I don't know like why.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: This is why I asked man, like are they bidding
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: against themselves? The Yankees? Because who else is out there?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: The Mats?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But if the Yankees are offered him thirty years and
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: they're giving him six point eighty, how do you turn
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that down? And listen, I want players to get every
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: dollar they can get, but man, that is a lot
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to turn down. If I'm you know, you know, listen,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: twenty three he was really good, but if you go
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, twenty two, he was not worth thirty
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: million dollars a year. So the Yankees and other teams
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: are going which Cody Bellinger we going to get as
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he gets older and he gets older and he's gonna
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: be at thirty this year, which guy are we going
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to get? And I don't know the answer to that.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I wish I did know the answer. If you could
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: tell me he was gonna do what he did this
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: past year and hit twenty nine homers and drive in
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: almost one hundred and and have a you know, eight
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: hundred plus ops and all that, then yeah, is he
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: worth it? Yeah? But I just don't. I think teams
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: look at it and say which one are we going
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to get? They're gonna say, well, he hurt his shoulder.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Remember he heard his shoulder in the celebration, and that's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: why he was down at what Boris will say. But
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I just I think teams are looking at saying we
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: don't know which Cody Bellinger we're gonna get for multiple years.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's a blame meter. If it's four years,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I'm blaming the Yankees. If it's five years, I'm close.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's tight, right, I can I can be flipped
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty there. If it's six years, I'm blaming
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Cody's camp for sure, right, But I just don't think
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that there's any other team out there that's going to
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: go seven years thirty years. There another team out there
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that might stretch it to seven years and a lower
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: average annual value perhaps, but it's hard to know without
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the years in place. I doubt that it's below five years,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: don't you guys doubt that. I don't think they're going, hey,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: four years at thirty for someone his age and based
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: off the other comps. But I also don't think he
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: has the track record hitting wise that Schober or Pete
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Alonzo do. He's more of an all around player. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: get that, but I don't know. I mean, if I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: could be convinced on a five at thirty for him
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and be like Wow, that's still a really good deal
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: for Cody.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I agree. I agree undred percent.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I do, and I think that'll be fine.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Ft helping p people get jobs. No, I'm kidding, but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: former Minnesota Twins general manager Thad Levigne he's going to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: be a special advisor to baseball operations for the Milwaukee Brewers,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: so he gets to stay out there in the Midwest.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: We had some fun conversations with that. I don't know
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: if he's still going to be doing what he's doing maybe.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got his little he's got his podcast
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and some other appearances and things that he's been doing.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But we'll see. We love to have him him on,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: so let's we'll try and get him back actually, so
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: we can talk about that. And he's joining a very
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: successful franchise. So Twins had a good little run, then
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: they didn't and they became a disaster. That out good
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: timing and latching on with an organization that's in a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: good spot right now. Last thing I wanted to do
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Todd Father, just because I promised it at the top,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: just for the last few minutes, is can you lay
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: out a little bit more details because you did some
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: homework on your arbitration case. I thought the comp part
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: was cool. I just wanted you to share that part.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: No, When I had my arbitration after my third year,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you know, when you come pair of people, you got
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: to go back to what they had, and and for
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: me it was my agency and myself. We went we
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: we compared ourselves to Eric Cosmer, and he was a
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: super two, which meant, you know, he had four years
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: of arbitration.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: He had. What he had after his fifth year was five.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Years, one hundred and seventy one days. I had five
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: years forty nine days, so I wasn't eligible for that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: And if we go back, you know, by the numbers here,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: if I can just pull them up here, excuse me it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: You know, his salary went his straight four years was
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: three point six five seven eight three twelve two five.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: So I went off his fourth year and it's very unheard.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Of to do that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Then I give credit to my agency. So my third
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: year I made pretty much the same as him. I
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: made twelve million, and we went back and forth on
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: what we wanted to do. My power numbers were better
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: than Hosmer's, but he had other things, you know, an
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: all star, I forget off the top of my head.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: But then their team went by Chase Headley. So the
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: White Sox, who I was on, they said, well, we're
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: comparing you to Chase Headley, and Headley was a guy,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: salary guy, where we were pretty much the same. I
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: had a lot more home runs, a lot more power
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: than him, but you know, he had more of the accolades.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: So it was a back and forth battle. And you know, basically,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: you know what happened there. You know, the two sides,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: you know, came to an agreement. They started at like
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: eight million, we started at sixteen, and we basically met
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: in the middle.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of basically what happens.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: You know, we had the same position, same career, war
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: it just had a little more hardware than I did.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: But it goes about numbers all the time. So as
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: we talk about.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Well, this was you promoting yourself more as a third
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: baseman though, right, I mean third base, but third base
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: for Hosmer, I mean third baseman get more value than
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a first baseman. So that gave you a little bit.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You know, if Hosmer had you on say I don't know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: batting average and RBIs or whatever, and you have them
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on power or you have them on position right. So
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at numbers you were coming off the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: last three seasons leading up to that, twenty on homers,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: thirty five homers, forty homers. I'm sure they tried to say,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: or they would have said an arbitration. Oh he's in Cincinnati,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: It's home runs in Cincinnati.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it's just cool because AJ for me, when
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Todd told me that, I'm like, damn, they went from
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they were at eight and todd Father's like, all right,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: screw you. It's kind of like a MIDI school thing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: We're going to sixteen, right, that's the number that's above.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: But all they have to do is prove that he's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: twelve point one and he gets sixteen. And that's why
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the Socks came back and said, uncle, twelve done.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happens a lot of times. That's why
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be trial and file right, file trail.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I got to look that up maybe next week. Which
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: teams are still doing that officially? Officially, I feel like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: there's been some that have cracked, but both sides don't
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: want to get to that point. So anyway, I think
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: we have one tweet on the way out that has
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to do with a mascot and also we've got nice bears.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: What is that? Is that a blank bears?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's a blanket I bought in Mexico years ago. It's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: like a poncho blanket kind of thing. A little I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna keep me warm at the game tomorrow.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: But fuck, those packers don't even greater, you know what
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys see this from from barstool Detroit. Got Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: they were saying, terminated, just talking about the TV deals
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and then pause. The mascot was like, oh I thought
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I got fired for a second. You're good.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: We love you.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna be viewed on a different TV screen
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: next year. It's okay, and tell your team to wake
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: up up.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: True everyone.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Next week, Aja, fun at the game. Tod by you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: next week, Cincinnati trip in a week two, let's go