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Normally Podcast: Red City Rising: Is NYC Ready for Mayor Mamdani? · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys of Lomally the show What Normalist Takes for
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  Speaker 1: Women News gets weird and it's always weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm got to him, and I'm Carol Markowitis. Well, the
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  Speaker 2: weird story is that New York City had a democratic
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  Speaker 2: primary and a I would say, a communist one. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: He's calling himself a democratic socialist. But anyone who wants
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  Speaker 2: government run grocery stores and you know, to be able
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  Speaker 2: to enforce what people can charge for rent, that seems
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  Speaker 2: more communist to me.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think, Mary Catherine oh Man?
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  Speaker 1: Look, this is the primary, which generally just decides the
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  Speaker 1: mayor's race in New York because it's so heavily democratic.
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  Speaker 1: He ran against Andrew Cuomo, who was the other guy
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  Speaker 1: at the head of the pack in your fave what's
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  Speaker 1: his name.
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  Speaker 2: Rad Lander.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, none of these people deserve to win.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, they're all uniquely terrible. But it does seem
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  Speaker 2: like Zorin Mamandi, who won the primary, is the worst
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  Speaker 2: of the bunch and yet at the top of the pack.
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  Speaker 2: As of ten pm last night, ninety three percent of
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  Speaker 2: the vote in Mamdani led Cuomo forty four to thirty
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  Speaker 2: six In the first round of this new process. It's
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  Speaker 2: ranked choice voting that New York has implemented since I've
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  Speaker 2: been gone. And what's interesting is that the full results
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  Speaker 2: won't be in until July first, because this is a
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  Speaker 2: really complicated system that they chose to have for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: But Cuomo saw the writing on the wall and conceded
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  Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary last night.
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  Speaker 1: That yeah, it's humiliating for Cuomo whoever wins this. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, officially we'll go on to a general election
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  Speaker 1: where there will be a not very good GOP candidate
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  Speaker 1: and Eric Adams, the current mayor, running as an independent,
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  Speaker 1: so there is yet another hurdle. But Cuomo deserved to
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  Speaker 1: be humiliated. It It was hurting my soul to have
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  Speaker 1: to say he's the lesser evil of these two, right,
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  Speaker 1: But like corrupt bad guy versus socialist bad guy or
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  Speaker 1: communist bad guy, it's a tough one, guys. I'm it's
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  Speaker 1: it's to the everlasting shame of the Democratic Party in
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  Speaker 1: New York City that has so many Democrats at its
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  Speaker 1: disposal that they can't do better than these two. But
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  Speaker 1: I think if mom Dami Mamdani becomes actual mayor, it's
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  Speaker 1: really bad for the city. And I do not live
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  Speaker 1: in the city, but I love visiting the city, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the people of the city deserve better, just
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  Speaker 1: as I think the people of la deserve better.
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  Speaker 2: Right. There is the additional thing here that Cuomo has
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  Speaker 2: set himself up to run as a third party candidate
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  Speaker 2: as well. His third party party is called Fight and Deliver.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to have to be talked out of that
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  Speaker 2: by the same people who endorsed him. That is Bill Clinton,
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  Speaker 2: that is the New York Times editorial board. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to say, you need to step aside, and
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  Speaker 2: it has to be an Adams versus Mom Donnie showdown
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  Speaker 2: with Curtis Leiva, kind of playing the spoiler there. I
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  Speaker 2: would also say that it's really tough to watch what's
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  Speaker 2: happening in New York as a former New Yorker, because
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  Speaker 2: I know that there are so many people who did
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  Speaker 2: not get a say in this yesterday who are not
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  Speaker 2: registered Democrats. And you know, for all the every vote
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  Speaker 2: counts and everybody should be able to vote, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're so pro democracy. The Democrats have a closed primary
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  Speaker 2: in New York, and as do the Republicans, and they
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  Speaker 2: require registration far in advance, and you could only vote
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the Democratic Party. So there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who didn't get a say last night
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  Speaker 2: who will get their say in November. The concern again
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  Speaker 2: is that Eric Adams and Curtis Leiwa, and possibly even
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo split the non Mumdani vote, and that will
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  Speaker 2: be the real problem. I also sort of note, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you know, we talked about this on previous episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo ran as if something was owed to him.
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  Speaker 2: He ran as if you are all so blessed to
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  Speaker 2: have me, Andrew Cuomo, come down from my Albany perch
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  Speaker 2: and get into your Shenanigans down here in the city.
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  Speaker 2: He skipped several mayoral forums, like as if he was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a shoe in for this thing. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: work at winning. You know. I dislike Mumdanni in so
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  Speaker 2: many different ways, but he put in the work, and
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  Speaker 2: that's ultimately what campaigns are about.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is the Hillary Clinton model. Hey, I'm super
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  Speaker 1: unlikable and I have high name, I d and I
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  Speaker 1: want this job. I'm entitled to this job title. They're
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  Speaker 1: lucky to vote for me. Do the thing, little people and.
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  Speaker 2: It's not good, doesn't really work. No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I advise candidates not to do that because people see
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  Speaker 2: that and they don't like it. The New York Times City, however,
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  Speaker 2: has despite calling Mamdani uniquely unsuited to running the city,
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  Speaker 2: in a recent editorial, they called him a new political
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  Speaker 2: star who has emerged out of a fractured Democratic party.
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  Speaker 2: I think nationally, Democrats have to be hoping that he
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  Speaker 2: does not become their political star. He may work on
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  Speaker 2: a small level in a far left city like New York,
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  Speaker 2: but he nationally is going to be a drag on
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  Speaker 2: party hopes. So I think for people on the right,
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  Speaker 2: they should hope that he becomes the political star him
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  Speaker 2: and AOC right, Well.
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  Speaker 1: He's certainly because he put in work. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to discount that because like it was sort of
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  Speaker 1: a clever campaign. Now it's not clever. Is just telling
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  Speaker 1: people you're going to give them free things that you
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  Speaker 1: can't give them because that's a very easy way to win.
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  Speaker 1: But he communicated well, his branding was cool, like this
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  Speaker 1: this is the game, you know, like he played the game.
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  Speaker 1: His name ID will be huge now, his ability to
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  Speaker 1: raise money will be huge. Those things will make him
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  Speaker 1: huge within the Democratic Party period, no matter what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right that he's a turnoff to most
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  Speaker 1: of the nation and a lot of New York, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, specifically segregated in its voting patterns by education
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  Speaker 1: and income. Highly educated that white, affluent voters were happy
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  Speaker 1: to take their luxury beliefs to the ballot and vote
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  Speaker 1: from Mondani, whereas working class and middle class voters and
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  Speaker 1: voters of color in those classes were like, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to go with the establishment Dirk guy, right, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: really split that way. I think it would be obviously
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  Speaker 1: bad for the city. One thing I want to note
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  Speaker 1: bad for the kids in New York City because some
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  Speaker 1: of his education ideas are terrible, As trace Woodgrains notes,
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  Speaker 1: nobody talked about it much, but he wants to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of gifted education in elementary and middle schools in
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  Speaker 1: New York, and he also has this in his platform.
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  Speaker 1: Eliminate the use of exclusionary admissions practices that create segregation
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  Speaker 1: by race, class, disability, home language, and academic ability. This
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  Speaker 1: includes the exclusionary use of school screens such as Greats,
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  Speaker 1: test scores, auditions, performance and interviews, behavior, lateness, and attendance.
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  Speaker 1: If you put that platform plank in front of every normy,
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  Speaker 1: that's a ninety ten issue against like people hate that right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, both Build de Blasio and my buddy Brad Lander
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  Speaker 2: were very much against these screens as well, but only
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  Speaker 2: after their own children had graduated from schools with these
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  Speaker 2: screens in place. It's a very convenient little situation they have.
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  Speaker 2: At least mo'm donnie. I doesn't have kids, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe this affects him, but it's interesting because Mam
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  Speaker 2: Donnie won the over one hundred thousand earners by thirteen points.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I think about this, especially about the schools,
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  Speaker 2: anything that he does, his voter base will be able
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  Speaker 2: to opt out of. They'll be able to send their
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  Speaker 2: kids to private school, They'll be able to move, they'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to figure out a way out, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pretty terrible for the under fifty thousand who
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  Speaker 2: voted for Cuomo by nineteen points, they won't be able
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  Speaker 2: to have these options. They are trying. They tried to
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  Speaker 2: vote themselves to something resembling sanity. And again, I hate
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  Speaker 2: describing Andrew Cmo as some kind of great hope it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he is a terrible governor, and he's a
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  Speaker 2: terrible person, and he probably would have been a passibly
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  Speaker 2: okay mayor at best. I always kind of said that
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  Speaker 2: he hates New York and the city, and I just
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  Speaker 2: didn't see him as a good mayor. But it was comparatively,
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  Speaker 2: when you're comparing to a legit communist who wanted to
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  Speaker 2: defund police, who has all these terrible ideas, Cuomo becomes
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  Speaker 2: more appealing. I would also add, you know, there's this
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  Speaker 2: thing on the right today that's like, well, New York
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  Speaker 2: has all these foreign born people, and you know this
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  Speaker 2: is the problem here. I just want people to understand
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  Speaker 2: that the foreign born people, the foreign born white people
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  Speaker 2: specifically voted for Cuomo. My South Brooklyn, my beloved South Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 2: mostly voted for Andrew Cuomo. And I would say that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them are not registered Democrats. So that
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  Speaker 2: is like, even among Democrats in my part of Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 2: they are still more normal and further to the right.
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  Speaker 1: So and I don't if you're on the right, you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to fall into the same trap that democrats
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  Speaker 1: to I'm assuming immigrant equals liberal. Well, why would you
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  Speaker 1: assume that we have done a lot of work actually,
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  Speaker 1: certainly in the Trump era, to appeal to people who
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  Speaker 1: are immigrant communities, and it has worked for him, so
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  Speaker 1: don't write them off. Yeah, it's there's also the part
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  Speaker 1: where he's like happily marched with the pro Palestinian pro
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  Speaker 1: Hamas crowds. Post October seventh, I think John Puhortz called
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  Speaker 1: him the encampment candidate. Yeah, and it is quite something
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  Speaker 1: you would think it. I never doubted that it was
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  Speaker 1: possible that New York City could have a Muslim mayor,
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  Speaker 1: but I would have thought that the Muslim mayor candidate
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  Speaker 1: would have been distancing himself from globalized the indefada. But
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  Speaker 1: in fact, when asked about it, he was like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like a It's a totally benign phrase. It's cool, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we should be able to use it like wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow insane.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, I want to vote on the
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  Speaker 1: point of whether Democrats are going to turn away or
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  Speaker 1: toward this new celebrity. Dan Pfeiffer of the Obama Years
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  Speaker 1: communications guy, he says, what's happening in New York City
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  Speaker 1: is a blaringly loud message to those in dim establishment.
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  Speaker 1: Hi that's you who still cling to old politics, recite
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  Speaker 1: focus group talking points and are too afraid to say
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  Speaker 1: what needs to be said. We have a lot to
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  Speaker 1: learn from Zoron, Mandani and his campaign, and then Rocana,
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  Speaker 1: who is one of the more sensible members of this
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  Speaker 1: party on various issues, including free speech. Occasionally, said Dan Pfeiffer,
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  Speaker 1: gave me the best political advice anyone ever has. Obama
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  Speaker 1: won because he was prepared to lose. You have to
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  Speaker 1: stand for something. Zoron stood for his values and something new,
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  Speaker 1: and he inspired many. So it sounds like flavor of
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  Speaker 1: the month might last a little while.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, it's he is in pole position to
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  Speaker 2: be the next mayor. There obviously are you know, some
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  Speaker 2: roadblocks in his way, including the current mayor, Eric Adams,
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  Speaker 2: but it he is likely going to be the next
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  Speaker 2: New York City mayor. Our friend justin Robert Young said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he could see the soft focused New York
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  Speaker 2: Times magazine cover story now still here why Adams can't
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  Speaker 2: quit on his city because they're going to realize they
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  Speaker 2: rather have Adams any day and the week still there.
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  Speaker 2: I love it, right, like we could picture it with
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  Speaker 2: Adams looking like resolute in his like blue suit. I
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  Speaker 2: would say, also, we have to talk about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that all the polls had Andrew Cuomo crushing until this
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  Speaker 2: last week, we're only one pole had Mom Donnie ahead
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  Speaker 2: pulling in this race was an absolute disaster. There at
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  Speaker 2: the top of my losers of the day list the
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  Speaker 2: New York Times obviously for their editorial, and Clinton World
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  Speaker 2: the Clintons don't have power in New York City anymore.
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  Speaker 2: What a wild thought.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild things they are a change in We're going.
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  Speaker 2: To take a short break and come right back with
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  Speaker 2: Normally we like to do that in case you missed it.
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  Speaker 2: News that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, and because
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: of the war with Iran, a lot of news has done.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Things that you may have missed. I think at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the list is that ICE arrested eleven Iranian
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  Speaker 2: nationals illegally in the US, including an individual with admitted
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  Speaker 2: ties to Hesbelah and a former Iranian army sniper. This
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  Speaker 2: is reported by Griff Jenkins, national correspondent at Fox. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like this one bit, and I think that it's
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  Speaker 2: such an undercovered story and it makes me concerned because
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  Speaker 2: I just the fact that we don't know how big
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  Speaker 2: these kinds of threats are is why so many people
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  Speaker 2: were surprised that the US was involved in striking Iranian base.
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  Speaker 2: I think that they just didn't know that Iran has
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  Speaker 2: been at war with US for some time, and this
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  Speaker 2: is exactly the kind of detail that proves that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's also the Obama bros. Are telling on
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  Speaker 1: themselves when they say, oh, no, you've now provoked Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Iran could retaliate in all these ways, and they'll go
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  Speaker 1: after American civilians. They're horrible and unpredictable. It's like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, you are giving them billions in actual
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  Speaker 1: cash to fund all the horrible things you're saying could happen, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, have been happening for the entirety.
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  Speaker 2: Of my life. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then one of the things they highlight always is
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  Speaker 1: like they could blow up a bus of Americans. They
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  Speaker 1: could have sleeper cells. Why might they have sleeper cells?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: It happened over the last four years that allowed people
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  Speaker 1: to flow over the border in millions, unvetted to put
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  Speaker 1: themselves in a position to be sleeper cells. What right,
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  Speaker 1: it happened. I feel like it was the whole Biden administration.
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  Speaker 1: So don't give me this like scare mongering based on
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  Speaker 1: the intentionally irresponsible policy that Biden put in place, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: And thank goodness Trump is there to look for these
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  Speaker 1: people and to make something happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Another quote, Trish McLaughlin, DHS Assistant Secretary says
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  Speaker 2: Under Secretary Nome, DHS has been full throttle unidentifying and
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  Speaker 2: arresting known or suspected terrorists and violent extremists that illegally
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  Speaker 2: entered this country, came in through Biden's fraudulent parole programs
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  Speaker 2: or otherwise there were programs that permitted people like this
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  Speaker 2: to enter. And it's just it is a very dangerous time,
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  Speaker 2: I think for the country. I think because we don't
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  Speaker 2: know who came in in the last few years, especially,
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  Speaker 2: and because of the huge influx, we're in a dangerous time.
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  Speaker 2: Iranians being caught is I'm very happy to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: But how many other nationals of other countries who may
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  Speaker 2: wish us ill are in the country and how bad
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  Speaker 2: will that be for us? I'm it's been a concern
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  Speaker 2: for a while. I think that we have to take
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  Speaker 2: it seriously, and I'm glad to see the DHS and
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  Speaker 2: ICE working together to do.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, que the Democrats to start the national
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  Speaker 1: campaign on behalf of justice for Iranian snipers, which is
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be their new kilmar Albregoscia. I do
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  Speaker 1: want to bring this up because this is a definite
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in case you missed it from last year. Yeah, you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: might not even remember this story, but in the same
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  Speaker 1: vein two Jordanian nationals attempted to breach Quantico's marine base
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  Speaker 1: in a van and we're picked up. You know. But
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  Speaker 1: during the you know, Biden administration, like we couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: certain what happened to folks like that. But I just
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  Speaker 1: it makes me happy that Trump is in charge now
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  Speaker 1: because his folks are in charge of actually having consequences
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  Speaker 1: for some things, which makes me feel better about the
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  Speaker 1: whole situation. Speaking of consequences, the Supreme Court and in
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  Speaker 1: favor of the of the administration this week pausing a
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  Speaker 1: district court order that had prevented the administration from deporting
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  Speaker 1: immigrants to third party countries. There's this whole dispute about
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  Speaker 1: when you can send somebody to a third party country.
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  Speaker 1: The concern was that immigrants might be in danger in
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  Speaker 1: some of these third party countries, and DHS several times
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  Speaker 1: issued instructions. This, by the way, speaks to like how
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: much process there is involved in this. HS twice issued
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  Speaker 1: instructions that were like, hey, here's how you figure out
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  Speaker 1: whether someone can be deported if there's a prospect that
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  Speaker 1: they would be tortured in this country. They did that
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  Speaker 1: in February. In March they issue another one like, hey,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: here's the rules if they affirmative affirmatively express fear that
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  Speaker 1: they will face torture. There's many there's steps involved, right,
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  Speaker 1: but the administration's like, hey, we're we've issued guidance on this,
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  Speaker 1: and now they're trying to stop us from doing anything. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: this is the story of most of the immigration litigation.
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  Speaker 1: Such that it is right.
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  Speaker 2: I think the scota's decision was so it was right
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  Speaker 2: in the mix. I believe it was issued on Monday,
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  Speaker 2: when you know that Iran was really hot at that
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  Speaker 2: That was the craziest day, I believe. And what's extremely
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  Speaker 2: wild is a district court judge has already side step
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  Speaker 2: step that order. I saw Margot Cleveland from the Federalists highlighted.
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  Speaker 2: She said she posted Judge Brian E. Murphy literally sidestepping
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  Speaker 2: what Scotis said. I couldn't believe it, and I felt
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like I was misunderstanding something. So I went to my
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: go to legal guru, Ilia Shapiro. He writes that the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: judge claims skot disorder doesn't apply to him because the
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: proper procedures weren't filed. Never seen anything like it doj
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  Speaker 2: has already filed a response with the Supreme Court, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: he says that it's the district court judge cited Soda
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  Speaker 2: Mayor's descent for support of his view. My favorite part, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Ilia says, the legal term for that is bunkers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. The descent is not the ruling. Ye,
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  Speaker 1: The ruling is the ruling. In our system. We allow
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  Speaker 1: a descent and you can you can read Sodamayri's descent
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  Speaker 1: and you can fangirl all you want about it, but
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  Speaker 1: it is not the court's order. And I tweeted like,
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  Speaker 1: oh wait, ignoring the Supreme Court about to get good again,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's now we're ignoring the Supreme Court for the
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  Speaker 1: right reason, right, But yes, it currently as the as
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  Speaker 1: these folks appeal. Through those steps, the government should be
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  Speaker 1: able to do these third part third country removals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't hear anything from the left about
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  Speaker 2: how concerned they are about the norm in this case.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder why.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Bachelor standard. You have to be doing the
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  Speaker 1: violating of the norms for the right reasons, right, We're
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: not a Bachelor fan ever. In the Bachelor, that's always
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the accusation is that whatever bachelor or bachelorette isn't there
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  Speaker 1: for the right reasons. Tell what would be the right
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  Speaker 1: reasons to be on the Bachelor of bachelrette. But anyway, Left,
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  Speaker 1: you say, if you're violating the norms for the right reasons,
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  Speaker 1: which is hating Donald Trump and thwarting him, then that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally. The New York Times
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  Speaker 2: go back to that old chestnut. They have a column,
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  Speaker 2: the Modern Love Column. The Modern Love column is actually
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  Speaker 2: my guilty pleasure. I don't watch any TV, but when
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I want to like feel bad about the world, Modern
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Love is what I go to. It frequently has like
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  Speaker 2: just the worst kind of stories about you know, we
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  Speaker 2: tried to open our relationship and then everything fell apart.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody learns anything. You think right, Well, today or this week.
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  Speaker 2: They have a pretty good one by somebody named Rachel
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  Speaker 2: Drucker who writes about how she doesn't see men out anymore,
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't see them out on dates. She feels like
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  Speaker 2: they have disappeared from society. They're just not in the
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  Speaker 2: mix for her. And I feel like that's probably true her.
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  Speaker 2: The column is called Men, where have you gone? Please
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  Speaker 2: come back? Yeah, we're going to miss them when they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: And you and I have been saying that for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. Men were made to feel like they were
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  Speaker 2: the problem in so many different ways, and they have
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  Speaker 2: pushed back. I think the men a lot of men
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  Speaker 2: have married, you know, women who aren't writing for the
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  Speaker 2: New York Times, and I think that they're home.
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  Speaker 1: With their wives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, But the men who who kind of just have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: had enough of being treated badly and being called monsters
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  Speaker 2: and all of that, probably have retreated from society. And
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  Speaker 2: it is sad and unfortunate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting that she misses them. What's the
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  Speaker 1: thing that's missing? Like that implies that they bring something
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  Speaker 1: to the table. They really implies that they're valuable, right,
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  Speaker 1: and that's been the thing that they haven't heard for
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  Speaker 1: a decade fifteen years, certainly from New York Times writers right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, if I may use the therapy language
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  Speaker 1: of the left, they have not made it feel emotionally
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  Speaker 1: safe for men to engage in society. Men are told
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  Speaker 1: that they are bad and wrong, and all the things
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  Speaker 1: they do and feel are bad and wrong and so
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  Speaker 1: and so. Why would they be engaged except with people,
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  Speaker 1: their wives or whoever they've matched with, who they feel
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  Speaker 1: might be receptive to the fact that they are in, yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Their safe space. She makes an interesting point. She says,
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  Speaker 2: I remember when part of heterosexual male culture involved showing
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  Speaker 2: up with a woman to signal something status, success, desirability.
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  Speaker 2: Women were once signifiers of value, even to other men.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't always healthy, but it meant that men had
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: to show up and put in some effort. That dynamic
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: has quietly collapsed. We have moved into an errow where
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  Speaker 2: many men no longer seek women to impress other men
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  Speaker 2: or to connect across difference. They perform elsewhere alone. They
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: filtered us out. That's the thing. We all said, this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be bad for women. But the idea
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  Speaker 2: that men used to treat women as signifiers of success.
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  Speaker 2: Women like people who write for The New York Times
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  Speaker 2: hated that, Hey, they wanted that to stop and go away.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously women were a prize, and that idea became something
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  Speaker 2: that you weren't allowed to believe anymore. Women weren't allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be prizes, and so men were like, fine, well,
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  Speaker 2: just we won't. We won't treat you like the prizes
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  Speaker 2: that we used to treat you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And it ignored the fact that there was an
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  Speaker 1: exchange there, that you are a prize and you're treated
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: like a prize, that there might be something for women
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: to gain even in that construction of it. Yeah, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: or that that or that that idea goes along with
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: other healthy impulses. Right, My woman is a prize actually
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: can lead to quite good things.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I'll also add that this is obviously very regional.
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  Speaker 2: This is the I don't know this might be happening
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  Speaker 2: in cities. I was out in South Florida last night,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: plenty of people on dates. I was out with my
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: husband and a male friend, so there were definitely men
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: at my table.
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  Speaker 1: Men do exist.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they've moved.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Is the dudes like to hang out with dudes who
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like dudes like I, like women who like dudes like I.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Just this, the the total dearth of duddom on the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: left makes it hard for men who are men to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: get involved, I think. And uh, you know who's going
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to kill your spiders now here?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: This is equation, right, Yeah, look what you've done to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: us all Let them, Let the men be men again.
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  Speaker 1: Come back then, yeah, they'll come to Florida. Please.
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• 25:25
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• 25:28
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