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Metal Gear Solid Delta Impressions and Moving from Consoles to PC · Boss Rush Podcast - A Podcast about Video Games

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  Hello everybody, welcome back to the Boss First podcast.
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  A great place to play games and be better.
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  I'm one of your hosts, Corey Derrigan.
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  Alongside me, as always, is the PC muscle race himself, Laurent
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  Dawkins. Hey, what's popping What?
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  Are you snacking on there, Laurent?
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  Harry Bull Gummy Bears. I knew it knew it.
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  I knew it was gummy bears. Yeah, gummy candy, it's all
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  that's that's my preferred candy.
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  Yeah, I'm a I don't know, man. I like candy.
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  But after I eat it, I just feel like, I feel like I'm
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  ballooning. You know what I mean?
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  I feel like I'm, I guess that's, I guess that's literally what
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  candy does to you though, right? It's like make it makes you if
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  you don't exercise or eat too much of it right all the time.
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  Wait, so wait, you're not, you're not feeling like bloody
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  or whatnot. You're just, you're just in your
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  head. You're thinking that you're
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  getting bigger. Sure.
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  I don't know. I don't know, dude.
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  I smell food. I smell food and I gain weight.
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  OK, so I. Yeah, that's that's where I am.
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  Like, but apparently, apparently talking to the right doctors and
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  stuff like that and dietitians, it's a gut issue.
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  And not so much a not so much a well, I mean, gut issue is a
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  Body Issue. But it's a gut issue because
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  apparently your Biome is like screwed up to the point where
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  like we're like sugar or carbohydrates or whatever.
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  You know, like you can have like you can have like a couple of
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  like Ritz crackers and all of a sudden you feel like a beach
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  whale. Yeah, welcome to the Boss Rush
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  Nutrition podcast, everybody. Don't don't look at me for for
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  for full nutrition advice you. You will not get your money's
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  worth. You know who is getting their
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  money's worth? Our guest and our friend Todd
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  Oxtra is here. Todd, welcome to the show.
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  Welcome back. Glad you're here.
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  It's always a pleasure to join Boss Rush.
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  Wow, you wow. I feel like I come on like a
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  ghost every six months to a year.
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  And I'm glad to come in 'cause I never know who I'm gonna get.
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  Like last time I think it was Steph and a few other folks, and
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  now it's La Ron, so. And La Ron has been doing some
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  cool stuff over at Secretary Knight, talk about Star Wars and
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  Star Trek. So I'm glad to be here.
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  And just if people are a little confused, this is my last week
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  at Seeker Friends Unite. And it's not because I'm leaving
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  in horrible terms, it's just because I am ready for a new
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  adventure, to do new things. So I'll be sharing more about
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  that soon, but come on, we. All know, we all know you
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  punched Charlie in the face because he said something bad
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  about your wife. We come on.
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  It's because no, I insulted Riker.
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  Well, Riker, Charlie's I, I think first love Charlie could
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  like, you know, if Charlie decided to change teams, he and
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  Bill Frakes would be, it's Bill, right?
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  I mean, Jonathan, Jonathan, yeah, he, he and him would be
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  life partners. So I would say that.
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  So yes. Yeah.
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  No, Charlie has punched me over not recording an episode of
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  Melrose Place in college. So there we go.
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  More stories about that. That's what I'm doing.
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  I'm doing a tell all book about my, you know, my time with.
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  Charlie, the original Melrose or the reboot?
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  No, the old one college this college is very funny the.
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  Heather Locklear, one OK. Yeah, exactly.
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  No, no, but I, I, I this is my last week, this week, Fridge
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  night. It's moving on.
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  Charlie and Peter are going to be doing their thing and they'll
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  be still be doing some awesome stuff there.
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  So if you want to check out my last episode and seek Friendship
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  Night, you know where to do that.
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  He had a good run, Todd. I was, I, I thought, I thought
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  it was going to last forever. I really did.
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  Could you imagine that doing like and like most podcasts last
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  like sort of gets to like 10 at 10 episodes last forever.
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  You know, it'll go for her. And like not even The Beatles
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  lasted like 8 years I think, you know, Simon Garfunkel.
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  They just, they eventually just want to do their own thing.
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  So, you know, everybody wants to put their solo album out.
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  So it's time for my solo album, I guess.
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  Yeah, I mean next, next spring I I think is Edani's 10th year
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  doing POW block, so. Who thought Ed would still be
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  alive at this point? I know the way he, the way he
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  eats and the way he just is awake all the time.
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  It's like man, that guy, that guy's lived like 4 lives in one.
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  I don't get it. Like I remember, I remember 1.
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  I can't remember if he was on this show or if it was actually
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  on Pow block. I was like, I was like, I was
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  like, do you even question your life choices?
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  Sometimes it comes to like what you actually eat.
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  I know man, I just. He don't love himself.
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  Or he loves himself too much. I don't either way, you know
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  dude knows how to live. I guess you know I.
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  Guess, I guess because. He's he's going to die the way
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  he wants to live. Yeah, because if I try to, if I
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  try to live like he does, like I'm I'm going to like it's going
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  to be like Kill Bill when she did the the five, the five
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  finger thing on Bill and he took 6 steps and then dropped.
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  Jeez, you know what? Ed will live longer than all of
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  us, though, because he's full of like all of those artificial
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  preservatives and things like that that just keep him alive.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like his body will need to be
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  donated to science when he when he finally does kick the bucket.
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  Yeah, you know, none of us, none of us will be alive to bury him
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  in all of the games that he buys either.
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  You know his casket's going to be made out of the plastic disk
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  boxes. At least his family will know
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  how how to afford being able to like, do his funeral though.
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  That's true. True, true all.
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  That physical video game media. He'll probably haunt them
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  though, like every bit of his soul be transferred to a
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  different box like he'll be. He probably wants to be buried
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  his ashes, put in a game case, and then given the Nintendo
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  right. He wants to be at a Nintendo
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  museum. He.
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  Was going to play in Pikmin and he was going to be like, why are
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  the Pikmin always trying to dig everything up?
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  What's? Happening.
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  Geez, man, Ed, we love you. Some of us do.
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  Article. Anyways, not important.
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  Nobody cares about our meetings. You know what they do care
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  about? They care about us.
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  You know what we're going to. We're going to start with this
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  section tonight. Anybody playing?
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  Anything fun? Anything interesting?
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  Anything cool? Todd, you're our guest.
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  I know it's last on the dock, but I'm switching things up.
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  That's a good question. The game I'm loving the most is
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  I have to get this right because it feels like there's so many
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  ninja games right now, but it's Shinobi our a vengeance.
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  I played the demo and I'm like wow, This is why you put demos
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  out to sell people your game and it's amazing.
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  This game is beautiful. I love hand drawn animation over
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  8 bit aesthetics or 16 bit aesthetics these days.
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  I just love a beautiful hand drawn game.
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  This game is essentially a, it's not a Metroidvania.
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  It's, it's a side scrolling, 3-DA side scrolling platformer
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  with action and great combat and it's beautiful and it's, it's
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  feels so stylish. It's like if, if they said make
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  it too, you know, a side scrolling Devil May Cry and this
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  is what you would get. It's a throwback, but it is
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  advanced. It's wonderful, it's beautiful,
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  runs great and it's just feels so good to play.
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  Even if you're a button masher, you feel like you're doing cool
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  stuff and you don't realize it. I'm just finding it to be
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  amazing. It's just it's just the art
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  style's awesome. I believe I, I got it on PC
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  because I got AI got a discount for it.
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  I think it was 22 bucks after the discount on one of the
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  services I wanted to get it on switch to.
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  But once again, I feel like right now the switch to is
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  getting switch ports more so than switch to versions, which
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  means unfortunately, they're just not taking advantage of
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  hardware, which means you're probably not you're going to get
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  probably a lower frame rate. The resolution not may not be as
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  good, which sucks. And I hate that.
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  And I hope we. Talked about that last week.
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  Yeah, that was the big problem with Ninja Gaiden, right,
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  Because it ran at like I think it ran at like 60 or 120 on the
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  on the on the beefy boys. And it the Switch 2 only got the
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  Switch version. It ran at 30 and people were
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  really bad. Yeah, which is a shame because
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  you feel you want your hardware a good, good.
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  And Nintendo, I think at this point you're like.
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  I know it's weird for for all the praise that we gave Nintendo
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  4, the Switch 2 is launched like they they they apparently were
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  stumbling just as hard as like Sony and Microsoft did with the
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  PS-5 in the series. Well, it's, it's not just that,
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  it just seems like they're being, I mean we talked about it
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  on power block for like 20 minutes the other day.
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  But like they are being very careful on who they give switch
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  to devkits to. Except for that weird campfire
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  game apparently that they showed it.
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  Why would they though? I thought.
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  I thought the whole idea was like they are out there and you
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  want everybody to create on it. So they want at least this
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  first. So what I've been hearing is
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  that they are really trying to control the software kind of the
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  amount of software that comes out on the console this year as
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  like a soft launch year and then next year they're going balls to
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  the wall with software from everybody I guess is the.
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  This this is remind me of the whole Nintendo quality of seal
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  thing I know right look, I know like and how like how like
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  companies like like all the big companies Capcom, Konami, all of
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  them can wanna release like 3 games a year and that's how we
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  got anchored games and all these other all.
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  Suits and all this stuff. I was gonna say ultra this is.
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  OK, you know what? I'm, I'm gonna go ahead and say
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  it 'cause I'm, I'm like the big Nintendo naysayer here on on on
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  the Boss's podcast. It's bullshit Nintendo.
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  I mean for for real. I mean, that's why we don't,
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  that's why we don't have Metal Gear on on the switch right now.
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  It's not because it won't run, it's because it only doesn't
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  have desk kits. Oh, it's not running properly on
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  the consoles. Like I was actually shocked.
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  I was actually shocked that it's that it's running fine on the PC
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  because like this is the first Unreal Engine 5 game that I
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  played on my PC that I have not had the tweak.
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  I've not had the tweak. I haven't had to go into the
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  config filesand.in IS or whatever.
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  And like it plays fine and, and we'll talk about that in a
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  minute. What we've been, what I've been
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  playing. Corey, there's a great way to
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  play Metal Gear Solid. It's on 3DS, so play it there.
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  Yeah, go there it is. It is weird, though, because you
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  think Sega is a huge partner for Nintendo.
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  You think of like Persona, those series?
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  And they all have switched 2 versions.
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  All the Sonic. Games, which is weird.
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  And that is where, you know, Shinobi is a Sega and it seems
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  like that would be weird that that developer that Sega hired
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  because Sega didn't develop the game, they're publishing it.
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  I think it's dot emu or one of those great studios.
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  And that was what I felt like did great wonders for the Switch
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  was having strong Indies at launch and now they're not doing
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  it. So I feel like every company
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  tends to this after they have a big success, they then fall into
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  the trap of, well, we will not, you know, we we we're so
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  successful, people will just go on board.
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  So I worry at this point, though, it's really the the most
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  extreme handheld and Nintendo fans into it right now.
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  And those are the people that really demand, you know, the the
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  most like full game on card, all these other things that
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  Nintendo's ready to pull off. And it's like, no, you can't
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  fool the people that are in right now because of the people
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  that won't be fooled. So, but you know enough about
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  that. I also jumped into silk song.
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  I tried Hollow Knight bounced off pretty quick.
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  It's not my type of metroidvania slash souls like I don't like
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  the vague part of a game perspective that I I believe
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  souls people like they like you know, they, they they want to
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  find their own way. That's fine.
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  I I feel like you should be not have to find a map or have to
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  figure out how to find a map. Map should just be a given in a
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  Metroidvania, which is just something that I got frustrated
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  with in that. And well, Silk song, I felt it
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  has charm, it's character. I just don't think if you liked
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  Holla Knight, you're going to really dig this game because I
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  feel like it, it still falls in the same tropes.
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  And for me, it was like I felt like in a game where like that,
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  I feel like I need to be rewarded pretty early with
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  something cool to do in that game, I felt like I didn't get
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  any new move sets. I felt like I was fighting the
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  same little bugs. I bought, fought a boss, got
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  nothing cool from that boss. So I felt like, what's my reward
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  versus just living in a world where the checkpoints are really
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  far apart. And I there's a lot of vagueness
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  about it that just didn't make much sense.
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  So I get a lot of people love that, just not for me Play it.
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  I played in a game Pass. The value of Game Pass is
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  essentially a demo. My son is loving it.
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  He already put like 6 hours in and he's in college.
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  So he should not be doing that because he should be studying.
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  So Logan, I can tell when you played don't, don't do that.
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  And then other than that, I have, I have, I played Madden.
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  I enjoy Madden, I love football games and stuff like that.
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  But I, I get put off because I want more of an arcade
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  experience. There is not an arcade
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  experience right now when it comes to football.
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  And then other than that, I'm just my main focus.
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  And and Laurana Curry, I think you'll like this.
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  Oh, go ahead, Brian. I.
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  Was going to say that's been the weirdest thing.
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  Like in the history, in the history of Madden and NCAA
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  college football, Like just the fact that they, they can, I
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  guarantee you it doesn't take take a lot of a lot of work to
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  wall off content for just an arcade mode.
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  You know, I feel like, I feel like it's, I feel like it would
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  have been like the, the, the, the, the chef's kiss to this
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  whole thing or the cherry on top or whatever.
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  I mean like NFL Street and NBA Street were like.
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  Awesome. I missed those games and like
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  they so I mean, the the reason why they stopped making them is
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  because it wasn't because they weren't popular.
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  It's because the NBA and the NFL wanted to get away from like,
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  quote UN quote thug culture, and that they felt those.
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  Games Mario NBNBA St. Yeah, so so are the Final
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  Fantasy 7 characters on the 3DS. Taken I agree.
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  Mario is causing kids to do bad things, yeah.
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  It's that Yoshi, it's that Yoshi crossover that really put it
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  over the top, you know? Mario's got those baggy shorts,
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  man. It's going to happen to the kids
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  if they start wearing those baggy shorts.
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  But yeah, I wish there was a arcade mode in these games.
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  I really missed that era. I mean, I think, well, we got
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  the NBA game a couple years ago that was kind of arcade ish and
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  playgrounds. Yeah, playgrounds.
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  So that was pretty cool. And then there's like a kids
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  game with mascots from the NBA that's just kind of crazy.
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  It's on like Switch and stuff, so kind of cool.
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  But what I'm doing to recreate that era is I've been building
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  essentially my arcade cabinet. So I would show it if I was off
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  my screen. But I I've gone into PC
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  emulation and I've got myself my Arcade Legends arcade controller
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  set up and I'm going to get big into NFL Blitz.
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  I'm going to get big into NBA Jam.
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  Those experiences I miss so much and I'm going to just recreate
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  them on my arcade system and I'm so excited to do it.
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  So that's what I'm excited to do.
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  Nice. That's awesome.
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  Yeah, I miss. I saw I saw a a PlayStation 3
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  version of the the Blitz the league the other day.
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  I was like. Man Lawrence Taylor, where they
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  take drugs. Yeah, and steroids.
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  That's great. Yeah.
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  I was like, man, those those games were something.
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  Yeah. Loron, what are you playing?
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  Well, as I mentioned earlier, I am, I am current, I'm currently
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  playing Metal Gear Solid Delta. I am, I'm enjoying it.
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  But you know what? I ran to a small problem.
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  I didn't realize. I didn't realize I'd taken like
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  a small break from the game, like like when I started playing
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  the game the other night and like I was doing my sneaking
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  thing right. And you know, like when Snake's
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  stomach starts rumbling, that's when you get that's when you
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  have to eat something. So, you know, open my, open my,
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  my food stores, everything's rotten.
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  Everything except for, except for the instant, except for the
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  instant ramen and the instant ramen and the calorie mate bar.
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  And I was like, huh. I was like, I was like, how?
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  So like I, I actually like, was like, hold on.
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  So I like reloaded my save and then I immediately went right
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  back to the food stores. Yeah, it was rotten.
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  So I was like, what's going on here?
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  So yeah, I hadn't, I didn't realize I hadn't played the game
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  in five days. And the game has an always
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  persistent clock. Oh geez.
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  Yeah, and it's and, and if I remember correctly, you could
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  only turn it off by playing on the lowest like the the lowest
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  difficulty setting I think is the only way you could, you
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  could turn it off, right, that sounds.
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  That sounds annoying, but I know there's a trophy for beating it
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  in five hours or something, so like the I mean, the game's not
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  that long I guess, but like still it's.
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  Long if you're out it's long if you're out there sneaking and
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  being stealth because like I legit hate being caught out in
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  it Well milk you saw three definitely is one of those games
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  I hate causing an alert mode like milk MGS 1 and 2.
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  I didn't really have that big of a problem with it.
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  You know like hell I get I get spotted by somebody fine, let's
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  let's let's rumble. But given the fact that, you
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  know, like there's like there was an emphasis on stealth, but
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  also there was not enough stealth techniques for this
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  game. Like this game burns me up
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  whenever I get spotted by somebody.
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  And you know, like, the good news is like, you know, like
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  most of the times, like if you step into someone's line of
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  sight, you don't automatically trigger an alert.
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  They'll be like, huh, what, what was that?
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  You know, they come looking. But you know, for the most part,
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  you know, it's like that just adds more time on there because
• 19:53
  like you get into this like little alert phase or not alert
• 19:55
  phase, a caution phase, and then you got to wait like a minute
• 19:58
  and 1/2 for that to go away. And like, I'm like, come on,
• 20:01
  like this game is, I feel like, I feel like this is the first
• 20:03
  game where I really felt like they were padding like the game
• 20:06
  time, you know, So like that, not saying this is a complaint,
• 20:09
  you know, but someone who is a Metal Gear Solid one and two
• 20:12
  person, I was like, get in, get out, get get the content and and
• 20:16
  keep moving, you know? And MGS 3 is like, no, you need
• 20:19
  to slow the fuck down. So yeah, yeah, So that that
• 20:26
  burned, that burned me up to the point where I was like, man, I
• 20:29
  don't have the mental bandwidth for this because I had a
• 20:31
  backpack full of food. A backpack full of food.
• 20:34
  I mean, everything, all the fruit I collected, the rats, the
• 20:38
  snakes, all that stuff, it was all rotten.
• 20:40
  Like alligator meat, all this stuff is all rotten like.
• 20:42
  I don't have the minimum bandwidth for this tonight, so I
• 20:44
  turned it off and I went back to playing Final Fantasy 7 Remake.
• 20:48
  So I, I, you know, I have to hold off on Kojima and his I
• 20:51
  mean, obviously he made this game.
• 20:53
  They just redid. I mean, I've had alligator meat
• 20:56
  last for like 3 weeks. So come on Kojima, what are you
• 21:01
  doing? Why is every?
• 21:02
  I mean, I've got tomatoes. He's not a chef toss.
• 21:07
  What's what's the what's the Do they have a decay rate for these
• 21:11
  things? Tomatoes will decay in one hour.
• 21:13
  I. Mean you gotta remember, you
• 21:15
  gotta remember you can cheat. You can cheat in certain
• 21:17
  scenarios in the game and actually like push yourself
• 21:20
  through a boss fight. You know, if you know how to
• 21:22
  make it at the clock. I.
• 21:24
  Don't know. I I I I'm a firm believer that
• 21:27
  yogurt can last forever. As long as it doesn't smell bad,
• 21:30
  it's still good to eat. So Kojima.
• 21:32
  The seal hasn't been broken. Yes, yes.
• 21:36
  If if it doesn't smell bad, yes, because number one yogurt is
• 21:39
  just old cultured enzymes anyway they.
• 21:42
  Had the cult. A guy I worked with, he's he's
• 21:45
  Greek and he's like talking about things.
• 21:46
  He's like, why are Americans so weird about food?
• 21:49
  And I'm like, yeah, 'cause we got a lot of it and we can just
• 21:51
  throw it away if we want. We're scared, 'cause we heard
• 21:55
  about one person that died because of something like 18
• 21:57
  years ago. Don't worry about folks.
• 21:59
  Yeah, we'll know if it's bad. Although I would say if it's got
• 22:02
  mold on it, it's probably it's just future mold is already on
• 22:05
  that thing. So you know what it is.
• 22:07
  It is what it is. But I was going to ask you,
• 22:09
  Lauren. So my experience with Metal Gear
• 22:12
  Solid 3, whatever we're calling it now, Snake Eater, I tried on
• 22:16
  PS2 back in the day, did not love the stealth.
• 22:21
  I tried it again when they brought out these was it
• 22:23
  Subsistence version? Didn't love it again.
• 22:27
  I feel like I'm trying it again for the third time on PS-5.
• 22:31
  I've got it right now, haven't heard.
• 22:33
  I feel like am I just a fool and I'm just going to walk in the
• 22:36
  same trap again? I'm assuming they didn't make it
• 22:39
  more a better experience for folks that don't love stealth.
• 22:43
  It's it's it's a one to one. It's it's definitely it's a 1 to
• 22:46
  1 remake of the original game. So in all seriousness, like you
• 22:50
  probably are going to get caught in the same trappings of like
• 22:53
  your original playthrough, because I was selling this to
• 22:56
  Corey last week when Metal Gear Solid three first came out.
• 23:01
  Because like I, I played Metal Gear Solid 2 to death.
• 23:04
  That Metal Gear Solid 3 was a shock to my system.
• 23:06
  There was no soliton radar system, so you couldn't see
• 23:09
  everybody, which is wild when you think about metal like Metal
• 23:13
  Gear 2, for example, like when, when they released like the
• 23:15
  classic, the, the the the collection and they put Metal
• 23:19
  Gear 2 on there. Metal Gear 2, which is old in
• 23:21
  the ass game, had a radar system so you can see what was going
• 23:24
  on. So I was like, what is you know,
• 23:26
  it was a shock to my system. You're you're out there in the
• 23:28
  open and the only way to stealth yourself is to like hug a rock,
• 23:33
  you know, you know, like press up against a tree, crawl on the
• 23:36
  ground and stuff like that. It was a shock to my system.
• 23:38
  So I was like, I cannot play this.
• 23:39
  I cannot play this game. So I did not play it.
• 23:41
  Its original run on PS on PS2 when it launched and I didn't
• 23:45
  actually pick it up again until like the the Metal Gear Solid
• 23:49
  digital collection came out. You know, when when they rehab,
• 23:52
  when they when they did some some enhancements to the games.
• 23:55
  Mega saw it two and three and put them both in one collection.
• 23:58
  That was bad. But I didn't play it then on the
• 24:00
  PS Yeah, because at that time it was on PS3.
• 24:03
  They released on PS3. I didn't play that until the PSP
• 24:06
  version came out and then that's when I actually finally like
• 24:09
  played it, beat it and I actually got my enjoyment out of
• 24:12
  it. But yeah, like the same I can
• 24:14
  say like the same trappings are probably going to get you 2.
• 24:16
  Playing with the modern controls, though, does make it
• 24:18
  feel a little bit it it makes it feel a little bit better and
• 24:22
  stuff like that. You know, like you can now move
• 24:24
  in first person mode if you're in the if you're in the, if
• 24:26
  you're playing on on the modern play style.
• 24:30
  And there's there's a few things in there.
• 24:32
  If you're used to the old, the classic, the classic controller
• 24:36
  mapping from the PS2 era, like you're going to have to like get
• 24:39
  used to that because like, honestly, the modern controls,
• 24:42
  in my opinion, feel, feel what the PS, the original PS2 control
• 24:46
  should have been, you know, But of course, like, you know, that
• 24:48
  was coming off of Metal Gear Solid 2 where you know, like
• 24:50
  they were basically like it makes you feel at home if
• 24:52
  you're, if you're fresh off those games.
• 24:54
  So I'm glad for that. The game is great.
• 24:57
  I love it. The game looks, it looks
• 24:59
  gorgeous, you know, and I do appreciate a lot of stuff that
• 25:03
  the that these developers put into.
• 25:05
  I can't forget the name of the of the team that actually like,
• 25:07
  you know, took on this endeavour and stuff like that and arduous
• 25:13
  look, look it up. I don't, I don't know.
• 25:16
  The only I'm saying look it up is because is because like
• 25:19
  they've they've they've been doing interviews and they've
• 25:21
  been saying that, you know, like they they they felt it was an
• 25:24
  honor to do this game and they want them to do it.
• 25:26
  They want to do it right by Hideo Kojima, even though Hideo
• 25:29
  Kojima has said like he has no interest in, in this game or
• 25:32
  whatnot, you know, because of like how everything soured out
• 25:34
  between him and Konami, So like that.
• 25:36
  But Kojima did give praise to like the, the effort and energy
• 25:40
  they put into it. So like that.
• 25:41
  So like he said, he's never going to play this product, you
• 25:43
  know, and that's on principle. And I and I don't and I, I can't
• 25:47
  disagree with him on that. How dare he?
• 25:49
  Yeah, I mean, hey, like, hey, like basically at this point, I
• 25:54
  mean, Konami does on the IP, so you know, but at this point it
• 25:57
  feels like they've stolen the content, you know what I mean?
• 25:59
  So yeah, I get it, you know, But yeah, the I say, how far, how
• 26:04
  far into it are you without, without any major spoilers.
• 26:08
  It's sitting in the disk drive. Oh, you haven't even installed
• 26:11
  it? I haven't even 'cause I, I, I
• 26:14
  I'll. Start the virtual mission.
• 26:17
  No, I this is where I'm at the point I'm like, do I even start
• 26:20
  it 'cause I feel like I get so much like, you know, just like
• 26:24
  I, I, I'm worried this is where I'm like, well, I'll just leave
• 26:28
  it then I'll like not play it. So I don't know.
• 26:30
  I am I'm. Started playing through the
• 26:32
  virtuous mission and then once you get past that prologue, and
• 26:36
  then by prologue I mean once when the credits actually roll
• 26:40
  and you and you hear the James Bond theme, you know, then
• 26:42
  figure out like, am I going to go through with it?
• 26:45
  OK, yeah, I'm not a big fan of stealth, that's my problem.
• 26:47
  But I loved the first two games, loved the 4th game, bounced on
• 26:52
  the 5th game after we got through whatever the the the
• 26:57
  intro was that came out and I really liked that part.
• 26:59
  And then we got there like, oh, I'm bad at this combat, so I
• 27:02
  bounced. So that's what I'm worried
• 27:03
  about. It may just not be for me, and
• 27:05
  that's fine. I checked out MGS 4 like at the
• 27:09
  worst part, I checked out MGS 4 literally right before like the
• 27:12
  final like the final two boss battles.
• 27:14
  Yeah, I. Loved 4.
• 27:15
  I loved 1-2 and four. Well, the problem was those,
• 27:18
  those, those, those, those walking stick things, whatever
• 27:20
  you want to call those things like like like I'm trying to, I
• 27:24
  was trying to get into the boat and like for whatever.
• 27:27
  Well, I know if I remember correctly, like I was definitely
• 27:30
  low on ammunition. And I think that's what hurt me
• 27:33
  because every time, because you know, like you actually had to
• 27:35
  like wrestle with the doors and get them open when trying to get
• 27:38
  the doors open and stuff like that, I'm getting mobbed by
• 27:40
  three of those, those, those whatever those things where I
• 27:43
  can't, I can't remember what they were called.
• 27:45
  It isn't really often. I had to stop where I was going
• 27:48
  to break something. Well, I had to win because I had
• 27:51
  that get that little monkey in a diaper that was drinking soda or
• 27:55
  beer. I didn't do it for him.
• 27:56
  So that that carried me through the run.
• 27:58
  Yeah, and and I played Ground Zeroes.
• 28:02
  I I I like ground zeros. I didn't get into 5.
• 28:05
  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't like 5 either.
• 28:07
  And you know, like I'm kind of glad I bought it on a Steam sale
• 28:10
  for like $9. So, you know, like I still
• 28:12
  haven't played it, but so I tried playing on on the
• 28:13
  PlayStation and I was like, I like at this point, just remake
• 28:19
  Metal Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake, you know, just
• 28:23
  just remake those. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:26
  So I, I will, I'm guessing I won't like, but yeah, at least I
• 28:30
  can try it a little bit and see where I land.
• 28:32
  But yeah, I'm, I'm impatient with stealth.
• 28:35
  I mean, I get, I get very upset because I'm like.
• 28:37
  I like I like stealth until I wind up hitting it and it's
• 28:40
  usually in game when I when I wind up hitting it.
• 28:44
  Yeah, I wonder if the change of perspective and then modern
• 28:46
  controls will help with that too.
• 28:49
  You know, because I try, I don't know, I, I think the overhead
• 28:54
  stuff in the, in the Metal Gear games was always like a big kind
• 28:58
  of barrier for me. But if it looks like a third
• 29:02
  person shooter, I'm more likely to play it I think.
• 29:05
  That's the thing too. Like that's the thing too in
• 29:07
  this, in this version of the game, there is a true third
• 29:09
  person mode. It's not completely overhead
• 29:12
  now. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:14
  Yeah, you can manipulate the camera.
• 29:16
  You can manipulate the camera. So we're like, if you want
• 29:19
  overhead, you can do that. But it's true third person now
• 29:22
  if you want it. Yeah, cool.
• 29:29
  I haven't really been playing all that much.
• 29:31
  I've been still trying to finish Final Fantasy 7 and been playing
• 29:36
  Fortnite and Gears Reloaded, but nothing.
• 29:42
  Nothing really to write home about, nothing new.
• 29:45
  I do have to say though, Gears still feels really good to play
• 29:49
  even after in almost 20 years. It looks nice, it runs good
• 29:58
  enough well enough. Interesting bugs though in the
• 30:02
  game that I don't really remember encountering like the
• 30:07
  like where you fight the berserker to try to lead her
• 30:09
  outside for the first time, like trying to lead her outside like
• 30:13
  the Sometimes she doesn't come outside and the.
• 30:17
  Oh, wait, she's a she. Yeah, I didn't know that.
• 30:20
  All all berserkers are the females of the locust.
• 30:26
  I don't know how it works. Is this, how do you know this,
• 30:28
  Corey? I don't know this.
• 30:29
  I was really into Gears lore for a long time.
• 30:32
  I have, I have the books. I had the comics at one point.
• 30:35
  It was a thing. But yeah, they like the walls
• 30:42
  crash down so you can't go back in the building, right?
• 30:46
  You know? Awesome classic mid 2000s game
• 30:50
  design, but like sometimes the berserker wouldn't come outside
• 30:54
  and so I would have to reload the checkpoint and get through
• 30:57
  the building again. I had to do that like 2-2 times
• 30:59
  before I got got her outside. But I'm making my way through
• 31:03
  the emulsion factory now and it's it looks the lighting looks
• 31:07
  really good with the weird yellow glow and the wretches
• 31:10
  that are glowing in the dark and with the HDR kind of stuff
• 31:15
  turned on. It looks really nice.
• 31:16
  So, but other than that, like, I don't know, it's just gears,
• 31:21
  gears one they. Didn't they didn't do anything
• 31:23
  to the textures, They really, it's just really a better
• 31:25
  looking version of Ultimate, right?
• 31:28
  Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think the, no
• 31:31
  pun intended, the ultimate reason to release this was to
• 31:35
  get it on PlayStation, I think. The ultimate was never on PC as
• 31:39
  well, right? Yeah, it was the yeah.
• 31:41
  It was. I can't remember.
• 31:43
  Yeah, it came to PC, I think it was later, but I it did come to
• 31:48
  PC at some point. Everybody who owns it on Xbox
• 31:52
  also got a free upgrade. So, you know, not really making
• 31:57
  any money. It does.
• 31:58
  That was a. Good question about that, Corey.
• 32:02
  So obviously E Day is coming out that's going to be like their
• 32:05
  brand new. What is it Unreal Engine 5
• 32:08
  prequel that now that will probably come out to
• 32:13
  PlayStation. I'm guessing down the road
• 32:16
  they're going to start with that game.
• 32:18
  Well played playing that now going back to the older, the
• 32:22
  newer game, which is a prequel looks much better and then go
• 32:25
  forward. I mean, I, I'm, I'm curious what
• 32:27
  happens with that, because will they bring out the rest of the
• 32:31
  gears games as just. That's ports.
• 32:34
  That's that's where I think the mistake was made here, right, is
• 32:37
  where like I think they should have at least released the
• 32:39
  original trilogy. If you're going to release E day
• 32:43
  on PlayStation, like I do imagine throughout next year
• 32:48
  they will release two and three as upgrades to what you know,
• 32:53
  like some sort of ultimate edition of two and three.
• 32:58
  But I think I mean gears one is the the worst of the trilogy in
• 33:02
  my opinion by far. It's still a great game, don't
• 33:04
  get me wrong, but like 2 and three are where the magic
• 33:07
  happens. And if you want people to get to
• 33:10
  know these characters, especially not non Xbox players
• 33:14
  because two and three are not on PC.
• 33:16
  If they are, they are Xbox 360 exclusives like and I think if
• 33:25
  you want people to really feel the feel bringing Dom back,
• 33:32
  right and Marcus in a real major way, like you got to make people
• 33:36
  feel for those characters. And that's what happens in two
• 33:40
  and three, you know, so. Yeah, it's a it's a, it's an odd
• 33:45
  approach when you think of you give them one game now the next
• 33:49
  game they're going to get most likely is the prequel.
• 33:51
  And then it's like, what's next? Do you give them four and five,
• 33:54
  which are everywhere or more available and more modern?
• 33:58
  But those are, you don't have those main characters involved
• 34:01
  except now they're what, 20 or 30 years late, older.
• 34:04
  And it is a weird approach. And those who us, like me, who
• 34:07
  enjoyed 5:00 and 4:00. Yeah.
• 34:10
  And am I getting like an ending to that?
• 34:12
  When am I getting six? Are they going to do the Halo
• 34:15
  thing where they put it in a comic book that nobody's going
• 34:17
  to buy? Are they just going to do me
• 34:19
  more prequels like E day, day three, E day day four?
• 34:23
  And I'm like, prequels are fine. It's just, if you make that your
• 34:28
  area plan, I just feel like you're constrained because we
• 34:31
  know what's going to happen with two and three.
• 34:35
  So what can you do with those characters 'cause you're like,
• 34:37
  all these cool things happen with these characters, but they
• 34:40
  never talked about it. And then all the weapons you
• 34:42
  added in that are really awesome later, you're not going to use
• 34:45
  them. I don't know, it's a weird
• 34:46
  experience. And my thing too is like they
• 34:49
  they've been doing prequels for Gears for so long anyway, like
• 34:53
  Gears Tactics is a prequel, The DLC for three is a prequel,
• 34:57
  Judgement is a prequel. You know, now they're going back
• 35:00
  to E day, which is a prequel. And it's like these are all
• 35:03
  taking place around at the same time, like, you know, it's, I
• 35:10
  don't know how much you can really do with that.
• 35:12
  I mean, I know that the DLC and, and Gear's tactics aren't
• 35:16
  exactly like huge sellers or anything, but like that lore out
• 35:20
  there exists in the that those games exist.
• 35:23
  And for hardcore gears fans, it's like we've played this
• 35:25
  already. We've we've literally played E
• 35:28
  day already. That's the DLC for three and
• 35:31
  Gear's Tactics and Judgement. Where does Funko Pop gears sit
• 35:37
  in the French Loron? If I were to ask you where the
• 35:42
  Funko Pop timeline fits within the Gear's timeline, what would
• 35:46
  you say? I would say, oh, I would say, oh
• 35:52
  wow. I would say definitely the first
• 35:54
  gear is like if I, if I were to, if I were to put it there, you
• 35:57
  know? So the first character as
• 36:00
  somebody who I hated the idea of gears pop but downloaded.
• 36:04
  It in a lot. The first character you get is
• 36:07
  Kate so. Oh really?
• 36:09
  Yeah. Wow they went full then in the
• 36:12
  next Gen. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:14
  I mean, that's my thing though too.
• 36:16
  Todd is like, so they're going to do E day, which to be fair is
• 36:21
  mostly people can fly is developing it.
• 36:25
  I know they're kind of pitching it as a coalition.
• 36:27
  People can fly. Didn't they make judgement?
• 36:31
  They made Judgement and Outriders for their last two
• 36:33
  games in both. Wow, so.
• 36:36
  Yeah, that's interesting. What's a coalition doing I.
• 36:39
  Mean they're they're they're kind of tag teaming it, but the
• 36:44
  coalition has two other projects in the development from what I'm
• 36:47
  hearing. So I mean one one of them's got
• 36:50
  to be a Gears game, but we know one of them is a new IP also
• 36:53
  because they want to get away from Gears, especially because
• 36:55
  like the thing too is like that second like the the sequel
• 37:01
  trilogy, quote UN quote is Rod Ferguson's kind of baby and he's
• 37:07
  not there at the moment. He.
• 37:08
  Said, well, it's a Bioshock what he's doing.
• 37:10
  Yeah, yeah. He left Diablo to go work on
• 37:12
  Bioshock 4, which he has pedigree with, right?
• 37:16
  Like he was the finisher on Infinite.
• 37:18
  So Yep. Then after that ships he'll
• 37:22
  he'll come back to the Coalition and wrap up that gear strength.
• 37:24
  Well, their franchises need to fix internal.
• 37:26
  Oh no, was it? What's the other one?
• 37:29
  Perfect Dark. We'll make that happen
• 37:31
  eventually. Yeah, ironically enough, he went
• 37:33
  to the company that was supposedly going to buy it off
• 37:36
  of Microsoft. That's crazy, man.
• 37:41
  Gears. I need Gear 6.
• 37:43
  I just want to know what happens.
• 37:44
  I just. I know it.
• 37:46
  So I'm going to ask you because that game was you'd made a
• 37:49
  choice. I always wonder what they were
• 37:52
  going to do is maybe like there's got to be like we're
• 37:54
  deciding you're there's like a core there's.
• 37:56
  Going to be a canonical choice and I I, I mean, I have a
• 38:00
  feeling I know which choice it is, but we can discuss that at a
• 38:07
  later date I guess. Gears 5 though, real good.
• 38:10
  Highly recommended. Hive Busters also very good.
• 38:13
  Oh, Hive Busters is amazing. And the fact that you just got
• 38:15
  for free was a cool experience. And maybe they should do more of
• 38:17
  those things. Yeah, maybe to make people
• 38:20
  excited. I think more companies should do
• 38:22
  more of those things, you know, like Uncharted, Las legacies,
• 38:25
  Spider Man, Miles Morales, Gears, Hive Busters.
• 38:30
  You know, I mean Halo Infinite was supposed to be that for
• 38:32
  Halo, right? I mean, we were supposed to get
• 38:35
  a new campaign like every 18 months to two years.
• 38:37
  We. Were supposed to get couch Co-op
• 38:39
  too, Carrie Corey. But, you know, hey, things
• 38:41
  change, yeah. Well, I don't.
• 38:47
  I don't think Xbox really knows what's going on ever.
• 38:49
  I'm going to be honest with you, they never seem to know.
• 38:55
  Anyways, we're about to talk about that right now.
• 38:58
  Mostly because I our topic tonight is more of a selfish
• 39:04
  personal topic for me. I've been kind of stuck in this
• 39:09
  rut of of playing and purchasing games and knowing where to buy
• 39:14
  them and where to buy them. As somebody who avoids PC gaming
• 39:21
  because I just have had terrible experiences building PCs in the
• 39:26
  bass. I, you know, consoles are my
• 39:32
  happy place. I feel like, and, and I've said
• 39:37
  this over and over again and, and you know, I, I host an Xbox
• 39:41
  podcast with, with Josh and I love the platform, but I got to
• 39:45
  tell you, the last six months last really the last year and a
• 39:49
  half, but really the last six months, I've just had this real
• 39:53
  gut feeling like I shouldn't be investing in buying games there
• 39:56
  anymore. And so like, do I buy these
• 39:59
  games on PlayStation? I, I, I don't know, I don't
• 40:02
  really care for the controller or the platform, like actually
• 40:07
  using it. It's just.
• 40:09
  Foreign device to me really, I play the exclusives and that's
• 40:13
  kind of it. You know the switch is not going
• 40:18
  to be as powerful to run the games that I want to play or
• 40:21
  even get the games I want to play.
• 40:22
  Like Destiny is never coming in Nintendo Switch to right.
• 40:25
  It's just not games like that. So like I've just, I've just
• 40:34
  been and granite, it's probably because of my a lot of the brain
• 40:43
  brain issues up here. But like I've had this weird
• 40:47
  crippling stress of like, I'm not buying games because I don't
• 40:51
  know where to buy them for for better or for worse.
• 40:55
  So I'm a fan of Xbox. I like the controller, I like
• 41:00
  the ecosystem, I like the the store.
• 41:04
  It works for me. I enjoy their exclusives.
• 41:07
  I think game pass is good. I think it's great.
• 41:09
  I think they're backwards compatibility program is great.
• 41:13
  I have a lot of quote UN quote non gamer friends there that
• 41:16
  play on the platform and chat makes sense.
• 41:19
  You know, in console chat makes sense for us to use because they
• 41:22
  don't, they're never going to use this core.
• 41:24
  They're never going to use cross-platform chat
• 41:28
  functionality, right. So, you know, and, and Nintendo
• 41:33
  is obviously you got a Nintendo and that's not going to be a, at
• 41:37
  least for now, a place where you're going to play a lot of
• 41:40
  these big multiplayer games or these, you know, large AAA
• 41:44
  experiences outside of Nintendo. I mean, Cyberpunk was a nice
• 41:49
  experience, but there are, you know, like Doom and Wolfenstein
• 41:52
  before it, There are better places to play those games if
• 41:56
  you want fidelity and frame rates and all that kind of
• 41:58
  stuff. And then, you know, La Rana,
• 42:03
  especially after we talked about the PlayStation 6 leaks last
• 42:07
  week from from Moore's law's dead, like what they seem to be
• 42:13
  attempting with their handheld and their console and you know,
• 42:18
  really trying to build a, a, a real multi platform ecosystem.
• 42:23
  You know, it, it feels like what I wanted Xbox to do with their
• 42:28
  handheld, right? Like you can buy your games
• 42:31
  here, you can play them on the go, you can play them on the
• 42:33
  main console. You know, it really feels like
• 42:36
  they are looking at Steam and taking a page out of Steam's
• 42:39
  page and we're like, OK, we can do this.
• 42:42
  We just need to execute, right? And hopefully they do a better
• 42:45
  job than they did on their live service initiative on this.
• 42:48
  But I don't know, man, I've, I've been thinking more and more
• 42:53
  of just like kind of slowly migrating over the PlayStation
• 42:58
  to play the games that I know are never going to either come
• 43:01
  to Game Pass or be available. You know?
• 43:05
  I mean, you look, even look at Final Fantasy 16's sales on Xbox
• 43:09
  were I think they said less than 300,000 units on Xbox.
• 43:15
  Yeah, which is? Was that was that worldwide or
• 43:19
  was that or was that OK 'cause I know.
• 43:22
  All that Xbox though. 'Cause I know the I know the
• 43:25
  Xbox Series like had a better adaption rate than the Xbox One
• 43:28
  did in Japan. Right, but Final Fantasy 16, I
• 43:34
  mean, most of this reason is because it, it was a three-year
• 43:37
  old game, right? People who played it probably
• 43:39
  bought a PlayStation or APC to play it.
• 43:41
  Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. 16 is
• 43:44
  no, there's, there's no wait. There's no way 16's been off
• 43:46
  with 16. It's been out for at least two
• 43:50
  years, maybe 3. Came out 2023.
• 43:54
  I believe that that was right. I was about I was about to say
• 43:57
  hold on, because I don't even have the PC version of it yet,
• 44:00
  you know, and that's just because I've been dragging my
• 44:02
  feet Ming it, you know, because I.
• 44:03
  I think that was the problem, right?
• 44:04
  I think Sony was holding off and then I think Square Enix finally
• 44:08
  decided that, hey, we're going to we're going to start pushing
• 44:11
  these games out, even though the contract is probably done with
• 44:14
  PlayStation. And I think they got two years
• 44:16
  on 16 and they got two years on 7.
• 44:20
  On seven, yeah, well, yeah, which which was a lot longer,
• 44:23
  which is a lot longer now because like Xbox just got 7
• 44:26
  right remake, right. It's not out yet.
• 44:29
  It's it's coming out. It says this winter it's going
• 44:33
  to drop on Switch 2 and Xbox the same day, which they're.
• 44:35
  About to make my prediction like like like I feel like fancy. 16
• 44:41
  on 16 on Steam came out in 2024, September 17th, 2024 about a
• 44:46
  year later and then it's coming to Xbox and Switch.
• 44:51
  Yes, 2026 I think is the one that's.
• 44:54
  Coming up, they're about to make my prediction true about 6-7 the
• 44:57
  seven remake project. They're not gonna they're not
• 44:59
  gonna get Xbox will be happy they get will be lucky to get
• 45:02
  the be the first one when the third project comes out.
• 45:06
  Yeah, well, the rumor at Tokyo Game Shows that they're about
• 45:10
  they're gonna announce the third game in this series, and they're
• 45:13
  gonna announce it for all three platforms.
• 45:15
  It's gonna be a Mass Effect situation where it's.
• 45:17
  Going to come out. Yeah, that's, that's because
• 45:19
  that's because Square Enix like really like screwed up this
• 45:22
  whole this whole endeavour and stuff like that.
• 45:25
  They thought PlayStation was going to grow, right?
• 45:26
  They thought PlayStation was going to be the dominant.
• 45:28
  One that was. One sale just in the line, Yeah.
• 45:32
  That was one, but as far as these Japanese these Japanese
• 45:34
  companies go, like they they haven't realized that multi
• 45:38
  platform is the way only Capcom is like quite figure Capcom and
• 45:42
  Sega have quite figured it out. But the other companies they're
• 45:46
  like 'cause I mean like even even to an extent like, you
• 45:48
  know, Atlas, you know, technically Atlas and say are
• 45:51
  the same company. So like that they still are
• 45:53
  having like you know, like 1 to 1 releases, you know, versus
• 45:57
  multi platform and stuff like that and and.
• 46:00
  Another reason for that though is that the Atlas and most Atlas
• 46:04
  games and like stuff like Yakuza comes to Game Pass relatively
• 46:08
  soon, either day and date or relatively soon after.
• 46:11
  Like Metaphor is already on Game Pass and it came about less than
• 46:14
  a year ago, right? Yeah, which, which word on the
• 46:16
  street, which word on the street is like, is that?
• 46:18
  Yeah, like Game Pass has proven to be like a a sales killer for
• 46:22
  these games. Yeah.
• 46:23
  And that's, I mean, that's what I'm getting at too, is like I,
• 46:28
  we, we had a question about this.
• 46:29
  I should have added it in, but I, I felt like we weren't going
• 46:32
  to go in this direction. But since we did, I can try to
• 46:35
  find it real quick. But Xbox has just trained their
• 46:42
  players not to buy games. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:48
  And that's the sad part. That is, that is definitely the
• 46:50
  sad part because because I feel I, I, I get it, you know, like
• 46:57
  gamers want you feel rewarded and you know, when you get a
• 47:00
  subscription services, giving them everything, including the
• 47:02
  kitchen sink, you know, it's hard to, it's hard to like put
• 47:06
  the genie back in the bottle once that happens and stuff like
• 47:08
  that. You know, and you know, I, I, I
• 47:13
  knew, I knew years ago when, when Microsoft said they were
• 47:15
  doing this approach with it. Well, Xbox is doing this
• 47:17
  approach because I can't say Microsoft holy, you know,
• 47:19
  Microsoft's the home company, the parent company.
• 47:22
  I knew, I knew they were looking for trouble.
• 47:25
  And you know, like, yeah, you know, Sony sat there and they
• 47:27
  weathered that whole thing about we're not turning PlayStation
• 47:30
  Plus into a clone of of Game Pass.
• 47:34
  And, you know, like I, you know, like I was also one of the
• 47:37
  people that was like, man, maybe they should like I was saying
• 47:40
  they have to do day and date, you know, like they can do like
• 47:43
  day and like 1/4 later, you know what I mean?
• 47:47
  Yeah, but, but, but now it's proven that, you know, like,
• 47:50
  hey, like we're, we're we're starting to hear reports from
• 47:54
  actual developers and publishers saying like, yeah, this gouged
• 47:57
  our sales, you know, or something, something was
• 48:00
  lackluster because like there was no, they thought, they
• 48:03
  thought the they thought that the subscription for, for Game
• 48:06
  Pass would have, would have increased the, the, the
• 48:09
  attachment rate. And they were finding, they're
• 48:12
  finding the opposite way. Like they were, it wasn't even
• 48:14
  doing that well on Game Pass. You know, and, and I think the
• 48:17
  Geiger car they used for Game Pass is like, you know, the
• 48:19
  average play time, you know, in the first week and you know, I
• 48:23
  think what it was dismal, like some people were barely playing
• 48:25
  three hours worth of a game, you know.
• 48:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also like you look at you
• 48:33
  look at some of these these developers and some of them are
• 48:37
  are coming out and saying it wasn't even worth porting the
• 48:39
  game to Xbox. Yeah.
• 48:41
  That's like that sales number was negligible almost, Yeah.
• 48:45
  Yeah, like either the ports or just or, or having to get or
• 48:48
  having to get like, you know, like it playable across both the
• 48:51
  series and the Series X and stuff like that.
• 48:53
  I knew I knew the Series S was going to basically like, you
• 48:57
  know, like, like, like, like, like you remember moving misery
• 49:01
  when when when when she took the sledgehammer at home to do his
• 49:03
  ankles and stuff like that. I knew the series ass was going
• 49:05
  to do that too. Like overall impact of game of
• 49:08
  of Xbox's sales. I knew it.
• 49:10
  Yeah, I I guess, but then you like, but then you have these
• 49:14
  same companies porting it down to a Nintendo Switch and
• 49:16
  selling, you know, 10 times as much as the Xbox version.
• 49:20
  So like I mean. Yeah, that's that's that's the
• 49:22
  same because I look at I look at Alien Isolation, take example, I
• 49:27
  feel like that game, that game, that game should by all intense
• 49:31
  versus that game should be in a cloud game to play on the
• 49:34
  switch. And they managed to get that
• 49:36
  They managed to get they managed to get the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt
• 49:40
  and you know, like they managed to get these games into these
• 49:43
  cartridges. You know, I'm not saying not
• 49:45
  saying they were the best, but I have all of them.
• 49:47
  Alien Isolation was probably the best as of I mean they.
• 49:50
  Support they said it was better than the Xbox One base version
• 49:53
  on the switch. Yeah, so, but also like I think
• 49:56
  you have to remember, especially Alien Isolation, you had like
• 49:59
  they ported that to mobile before it came to Switch also,
• 50:02
  right? I didn't know that I didn't
• 50:04
  know. I didn't know it was on mobile.
• 50:06
  Yeah. And so like I think they had
• 50:10
  they had that practice of porting it to like mobile tech.
• 50:13
  And you know, I think that's we talked a little bit about this
• 50:17
  last week too. But I think that's why some
• 50:19
  games seem to be not running well on Switch twos because
• 50:22
  it's, you know, mobile ARM technology instead of X86, which
• 50:27
  is impacting certain games too. Yeah.
• 50:32
  But yeah, I don't know. And I think I think that's like
• 50:35
  where Playstation's handheld potentially can compete is like
• 50:41
  it's a PlayStation in a handheld, you know, I.
• 50:44
  Have my, I have my eye on it for sure, because like I, I
• 50:47
  definitely am AAI definitely am in that realm of like, you know,
• 50:51
  like high, high end, like portable, portable hardware
• 50:54
  right now. That being said, I'm not
• 50:57
  spending $1400 for Legion. Go to They can go, they can go,
• 51:00
  they can go jump off and take a flying leap.
• 51:03
  Yeah, and I think that's almost criminal.
• 51:06
  That's that's insane. You know, like so.
• 51:08
  Yeah, now that. 4 right, right. Now, that $900 price tag on the
• 51:12
  on the Xbox rag Ally, you know, looks, looks very, looks very,
• 51:16
  you know, swallowable, you know? Yeah, it's, it's crazy.
• 51:22
  Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.
• 51:24
  And and and the sad part is like they they have versus the same
• 51:27
  hardware. That's the crazy part.
• 51:30
  Yeah. I was gonna ask you guys about
• 51:33
  that because I'm not I mean, I have a 4070 RTX, so I'm not
• 51:41
  doing anything else. I'm OK on PC, but when it comes
• 51:45
  to Switch, I have switched to I've enjoyed handhelds more
• 51:50
  because it's a bigger system. Now I've always complained that
• 51:53
  I mean if I'm going to play a big game, I don't want to be
• 51:56
  constrained to a small system where the characters 2cm high
• 51:59
  just I just feel like something gets lost in translation.
• 52:02
  I know people like the handled experience but a lot of those
• 52:04
  games were very big pixels where it made sense handheld.
• 52:07
  But when you start talking about like big beefy, chunky games,
• 52:11
  like think about like a Balders Gate 3, playing that on an 8
• 52:15
  inch screen where it's so detailed, constrained and what
• 52:19
  you're doing with interface, it feels like that's not the right
• 52:21
  place for it. So it is weird that we're now in
• 52:24
  the spot. I get it, some people just want
• 52:26
  to play and grind and and wherever they want to play.
• 52:28
  But I like the idea of a dockable system, right?
• 52:31
  Like on the go, but I can dock it and still play it in the big
• 52:34
  screen. So I love the hybrid mentality.
• 52:36
  What I don't love about most of these handhelds are the actual
• 52:41
  interface and the controls suck. I mean, I want my I think why
• 52:46
  the portal is cool because essentially like using your dual
• 52:49
  sense and that's why I think the rug ally, Xbox rug ally because
• 52:53
  it essentially has a Xbox control inside.
• 52:56
  It feels like you're using a real high end, you know, control
• 53:00
  scheme and that's why I've struggled with the switch 2.
• 53:02
  So what I'm actually getting for the switch 2 is this weird ass
• 53:04
  thing where they have it from MOBA pad where it puts some
• 53:08
  rails in to the switch 2. So then you can put any of your
• 53:12
  switch third party controllers or even the original switch joy
• 53:17
  cons so it's actually attached. But for me, I've always loved
• 53:21
  third party joy cons that feel like more like a yes it will
• 53:25
  charge but. Still.
• 53:27
  It feels like I've actually am not constrained by really crappy
• 53:30
  joy con controls. I feel like joy cons are the
• 53:33
  worst way to play. No one would say he put joy cons
• 53:35
  on a, a hand hold controller because if you look at the, the,
• 53:39
  the pro controller, it isn't a just a joy con that you you
• 53:42
  take. It's actually a real controller.
• 53:45
  So that's why I feel like I think we need to get beyond like
• 53:48
  a lot of like even the steam deck and something like the,
• 53:50
  what is it, the original Legion and things like that, where it's
• 53:52
  kind of like more squared away. It's not exactly that economic.
• 53:55
  I think we really need to really embrace ergonomics in these
• 53:58
  devices rather than just use controls and sticks and things
• 54:02
  like that that make it better. Yeah, which is, which is why the
• 54:06
  ROG, the Xbox ROG Ally seems like it's it's going in that
• 54:09
  direction, which is good because I mean, like, like I have both
• 54:12
  the original ROG Ally and the ROG Ally X.
• 54:14
  And and for both of them, like I had to put like an actual like
• 54:18
  like like like not so much a grip style, but but more like an
• 54:21
  actual actual exterior case on it to get just a little bit
• 54:24
  better. Have a hand hold on them.
• 54:26
  Yeah, makes total sense. So I I feel like if we can get
• 54:29
  there where we're not like you're not cheated with like the
• 54:33
  real, you know, sticks and triggers and full size where
• 54:38
  people with adult hands like yourself, Lauren and Corey, I've
• 54:41
  got small hands, but you know, real buttons that aren't little
• 54:44
  chiclets and you feel like you're cheated because that's
• 54:47
  what it came with. I feel like and, and I, I hate
• 54:49
  to say it was like it's. The world's best controller.
• 54:53
  Exactly, people say, well, some portals.
• 54:54
  That's current controller. Yes, but people say like it's
• 54:57
  not portable. I'm like, are you really putting
• 54:59
  the Switch or a ROG Ally or any of those things in your pocket?
• 55:02
  No, you're putting them in a backpack if you take them to go,
• 55:06
  but during the time you're probably playing it on your
• 55:07
  couch. Right.
• 55:08
  I don't know. I hear it's the time that Jinko
• 55:10
  jeans are coming back. Todd Jinko pipes.
• 55:13
  They're coming back. Big pockets.
• 55:16
  I feel like a lot of people are making these excuses for I'm
• 55:19
  going to spend $300.00 for a or a $200 for a dual sense edge or
• 55:23
  something like that. But when I'm OK with a really
• 55:25
  not great control scheme on a $1400 mobile PC, right?
• 55:30
  It's just this is this disconnect with people saying
• 55:33
  like so, but you complain about like just the regular dual
• 55:35
  sense. It's a horrible control.
• 55:37
  You're OK with tiny little chiclets and you're doing that.
• 55:40
  So I feel like people make excuses for what they want to
• 55:42
  do, but I think we all can all agree we want better controls,
• 55:45
  interfaces for that handheld experience.
• 55:48
  It is, it is wild enough. There's this.
• 55:50
  If you're going to spend, if you're going to spend $1400 for
• 55:52
  the, for the Legion, go to just just throw an extra $200 and,
• 55:56
  and buy and buy a beefy like gaming laptop for real.
• 56:00
  Like #1 you'll get the screen real estate, you'll be able to
• 56:02
  plug any controller and you want into it, and you'll actually
• 56:04
  have the power to play these damn games.
• 56:07
  And you can plug it into your big TV too It's for exactly HDMI
• 56:10
  will go out HDMI out there yeah if you need to access the
• 56:14
  keyboard it's right there on the laptop.
• 56:15
  I did with my old one. I actually have a long S HDMI
• 56:19
  cable from my desktop to my OLED that I can do as well and my
• 56:24
  more does my 8 bit dough keyboard it's wireless.
• 56:27
  I can do that too. So.
• 56:29
  Is that the any of this one? Yeah, it's the, it's the NES
• 56:32
  one. It just doesn't have the numpad,
• 56:35
  which I don't know, guys. I'm a numpad guy.
• 56:37
  I like crunching numbers. I don't.
• 56:41
  Yeah, I'm just that. I'm just that guy.
• 56:44
  I have one on my keyboard, Todd. Hey, you know what I I, you
• 56:48
  know, I'm a simple man. I like it.
• 56:49
  It's good to go. My son made, you know, I don't
• 56:51
  know, the kids are the cool kids are doing all these like weird
• 56:53
  keyboards now with like all the different key caps and things
• 56:56
  like that. I saw one that looks like bread,
• 56:58
  which is weird and they LEDs and all these things they want the
• 57:02
  loudest keyboard in the world. I mean, if you got kids, you do
• 57:05
  not want a loud keyboard. I mean, you got roommates,
• 57:09
  wives, spouses. Who wants all these loud
• 57:11
  keyboards? The clickety clackety, right?
• 57:14
  You guys like that? No.
• 57:16
  No, no. No, no, I don't get it.
• 57:20
  People are weird. Oh, well.
• 57:22
  So, Corey, it's interesting to talk about the way you play,
• 57:26
  where you're headed. And I am curious because it
• 57:29
  sounds like, you know, Xbox will have a handheld, Playstations
• 57:32
  talk about having a handheld. Nintendo already does.
• 57:35
  And PCs will have handhelds as well.
• 57:37
  And it just becomes, I mean, I think eventually the only games
• 57:40
  you won't be able to play on PC, because I think that's the final
• 57:44
  domain of modern systems is Nintendo.
• 57:47
  So I'm just curious, would a ROG, Ally, Xbox get you to the
• 57:55
  point where you could play PlayStation games, Xbox games,
• 57:59
  PC, but with that like tested for, it's a better experience.
• 58:04
  You don't have like a billion drivers.
• 58:06
  It's more like a console experience that you're familiar
• 58:10
  with, but you can also dock it so you can then put it in, have
• 58:13
  it like a big screen experience too.
• 58:15
  Would that be like and then have Switch as be like that's like
• 58:18
  the old school because the Nintendo will move.
• 58:20
  I mean, it feels like that is the future that we're headed.
• 58:23
  And I like that hybrid nature to do what you want, but still get
• 58:26
  that big screen experience. Couch Co-op games like that is
• 58:30
  that. I mean, so, so the the problem
• 58:34
  with the the Xbox frog Ally, well, a couple things, I guess.
• 58:40
  Like it doesn't play every game that you've purchased on Xbox.
• 58:46
  Like it's not an Xbox, it's APC. So like anything you've
• 58:50
  purchased, any backwards compatible, any third party game
• 58:53
  that's not play anywhere, any indie games not play anywhere,
• 58:57
  you can't play on it, I think. That you want to go.
• 59:02
  I still, I mean there's still some 360 games that I play, like
• 59:05
  the Gears trilogy I play. But even OG remember OG Xbox, I
• 59:09
  think there's only 14 OG Xbox games that are backwards
• 59:12
  compatible on modern systems. Yeah, I mean, like, so like
• 59:15
  Psychonauts, you know, I actually went back and played
• 59:18
  that before Psychonauts 2 came out.
• 59:19
  I know that was like 4 or five years ago at this point, but you
• 59:24
  know, Knights of the Little Republic, right?
• 59:26
  I mean I I. Like 4 bucks on steam.
• 59:29
  Yeah, I know there's more modern versions of that, but.
• 59:33
  See, I'm going to be the I'm going to be the guy, the bad
• 59:35
  guy. I know I just how many of those?
• 59:38
  I just. I refuse, I refuse to buy a play
• 59:41
  do PC gaming. I had two PCs that I spent money
• 59:47
  on like large amounts of money on that died before a year.
• 59:51
  So like. Or you just talked about your
• 59:53
  PlayStation. I know, but I don't play my.
• 59:57
  I don't play. I don't play my.
• 59:58
  PlayStation and how many XI mean the Xbox 360 had issues.
• 1:00:01
  I've I've never had an issue with an X piece of Xbox.
• 1:00:04
  Hardware killed Dishonored killed mine.
• 1:00:05
  Oh my Laurent left us. But I was gonna refresh, but I
• 1:00:09
  was gonna say like how? I mean, I've had issues with PC,
• 1:00:14
  but I feel like it's from an era where you don't have something
• 1:00:19
  that is more of a, a, a console like experience.
• 1:00:22
  I think we're getting more of those.
• 1:00:24
  I think with the Steam Deck where it's like runs on they
• 1:00:28
  they actually qualify games to be there.
• 1:00:30
  It's not just like wild Wild West.
• 1:00:31
  It's like you can try and they actually have drivers and
• 1:00:35
  everything like that. It's more of a contained
• 1:00:37
  experience where you don't have to have like 18 different
• 1:00:39
  updates with PCI. Totally get ya like a like that
• 1:00:42
  type of experience I think has got to go away and I think
• 1:00:45
  Windows is going to get there because we did hear that the ROG
• 1:00:49
  Ally Xbox interface is coming to the New Luigi and go 2 it's
• 1:00:54
  gonna go to other systems. So I think we're gonna.
• 1:00:56
  Get more of that. Windows is.
• 1:00:58
  Console like validity and almost like we want users to have a
• 1:01:04
  good experience versus have to track down drivers, Windows
• 1:01:07
  updates, 'cause you know what, that's not good for anybody and
• 1:01:10
  anybody. I mean, that's like it's and
• 1:01:11
  also half the reason I don't wanna PC stuff.
• 1:01:14
  This is all I hear about is Lauren fiddling with stuff on PC
• 1:01:17
  stuff for hours and I'm like, I don't want to do that.
• 1:01:19
  I don't. Painless.
• 1:01:22
  In my defense, and just in my defense, I like tinkering with
• 1:01:26
  that stuff. I know you do.
• 1:01:28
  I don't. That's the that's.
• 1:01:29
  What he likes looking at his BIOS and like I know I don't
• 1:01:32
  need to update it but there's a new version.
• 1:01:34
  I'm gonna tell you right now, I've actually broken some stuff
• 1:01:37
  because I was like, I'm going to get this BIOS update, right?
• 1:01:40
  I'll do this BIOS update right now.
• 1:01:42
  We all do. We run like we, we, we have to
• 1:01:44
  clean out our, our registry. We have to do this stuff.
• 1:01:47
  It's like, why? Because we're sick.
• 1:01:49
  Of this because or I go or or right before I go to bed at
• 1:01:53
  night like I see. Here's a graphics card update
• 1:01:54
  for my for my RTX 404080. So right, that sounds perfect.
• 1:02:00
  Something comes out every week and it's like for this new game,
• 1:02:01
  it's like, and it will destroy your community.
• 1:02:03
  Have to roll it back and it's like and you spend 18 hours
• 1:02:05
  doing that. So you guys aren't helping our
• 1:02:07
  we are sickos. No, no.
• 1:02:09
  That's what No, no, no, no, there's a sweet spot.
• 1:02:11
  There's a, but there's a sweet spot for guys like you because
• 1:02:14
  like we, we watch people do it forever with their fucking cell
• 1:02:17
  phones. Just don't do the updates.
• 1:02:20
  Don't do the updates until like until like.
• 1:02:22
  It gets to a point where I was like oh I cannot play this
• 1:02:23
  because I need to update it. Well, I, I, I would say, I think
• 1:02:29
  that's the whole point of this. It's, I think, I think both
• 1:02:32
  Steam and Xbox and Windows realize that if they want to
• 1:02:36
  really make, and Xbox has even talked about this like PC, they
• 1:02:39
  said they want to make PC the best gaming platform, which
• 1:02:41
  means, hey, Xbox is probably going to be the console's going
• 1:02:45
  to be. A lesser yeah, they got to get
• 1:02:46
  they got to get out of the way the.
• 1:02:47
  Next, the next console, the next console.
• 1:02:49
  If they can, they have to figure out either they have to leave
• 1:02:53
  their console, the community behind, or they have to figure
• 1:02:56
  out the licensing stuff because the next Xbox is going to be
• 1:02:59
  APC. Well, I would say actually PC
• 1:03:01
  does a better job at licensing because the majority of those
• 1:03:04
  games stay there. If you want the deepest library,
• 1:03:07
  you go at PC. Those games don't get away, they
• 1:03:10
  don't get delisted. You've got them for.
• 1:03:12
  Years, so I would say. Console's the worst experience
• 1:03:14
  because I. Was going to say, people have
• 1:03:16
  their original GTA4 and stuff, they still have the original
• 1:03:18
  music and all that, all that shit.
• 1:03:21
  I'm I'm saying like the people who have invested in the Xbox
• 1:03:24
  console like those games will. How many is that thou though?
• 1:03:28
  I mean, if we think about, I mean truly, if you think about
• 1:03:30
  the actual number of people that are would balk at that.
• 1:03:34
  I I have to say this in a all respect.
• 1:03:38
  Do it. Microsoft is looking at billions
• 1:03:42
  of gamers. They're not looking at
• 1:03:45
  unfortunately people. I know that's that's what I'm
• 1:03:47
  saying, but they're they're also.
• 1:03:49
  Those games are available elsewhere, cheaper and probably.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, but if you've already purchased them, how annoying is
• 1:03:55
  it to repurchase games unless. I'm.
• 1:03:58
  If you're a Dreamcast fan, I mean, if you're a Dreamcast fan,
• 1:04:01
  if you're a 3DS fan, if you're a Wii U fan.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah, but this is, I feel like this is different.
• 1:04:05
  Than at least I've been a lifelong PlayStation guy.
• 1:04:08
  I had two whole generations where I had to keep my old
• 1:04:12
  systems to play this shit. PS3, yeah, I mean, that's, I
• 1:04:16
  have my PlayStation 2, right? I mean, Corey, that's why I have
• 1:04:19
  a 360, so I can play all of those games that were delisted
• 1:04:22
  and no longer available on the OG Xbox.
• 1:04:24
  So you can't play anywhere else. So it comes to a point it's
• 1:04:26
  like, yeah, I'm going to probably not buy another
• 1:04:28
  PlayStation, so I'll keep my PlayStation 5 and there's a
• 1:04:31
  place to play it. I just think it's kind of silly.
• 1:04:34
  The old days of old hardware that was on disk and things like
• 1:04:37
  that, that maybe not even available digitally and had
• 1:04:40
  licenses will follow you forward.
• 1:04:42
  And I, I think Xbox is going to try, but I think they have to
• 1:04:46
  say that you have to be willing, just like Nintendo.
• 1:04:50
  Nintendo went to the Switch. How many games came to the
• 1:04:54
  Switch for free versus you had to start over again?
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, I mean I. There's a you got to cut off the
• 1:05:01
  limb eventually. I mean, I don't doubt that
• 1:05:03
  Microsoft is going to leave a bunch of people behind.
• 1:05:05
  I don't. I think they'll do as best as
• 1:05:09
  they can within what's in their control, just kind of like the
• 1:05:12
  Light, the backwards games that came forward where they said,
• 1:05:14
  hey, we'll do it as it's possible.
• 1:05:15
  But licenses, things like that expire and what they can bring
• 1:05:19
  forward and, and beyond that, then you can say, hey, hey, that
• 1:05:22
  game's available on Steam for $2.00.
• 1:05:26
  Awesome. And now you can get Steam.
• 1:05:28
  So I don't know. Or maybe Windows does it.
• 1:05:31
  You know, if, if I would say this as a devil's advocate, if,
• 1:05:35
  if Microsoft is better that it actually had a Windows Store
• 1:05:38
  that rivaled Steam back in the day.
• 1:05:40
  And they would, this would be an easy solution.
• 1:05:42
  Fortunately, as we know with Windows and Microsoft, they have
• 1:05:46
  not made a competent gaming platform for decades.
• 1:05:51
  And now they have the Xbox store within PC, which is great, but
• 1:05:56
  it's a very smaller library compared to Steve.
• 1:05:58
  So I, I think it's, it's looking back is something where they
• 1:06:02
  realize the people that care about the 360 and and older is
• 1:06:08
  going to be such a smaller group that yes, they're passionate,
• 1:06:13
  but quite honestly, they're not going to move their dollars,
• 1:06:16
  They're not going to have the dollars invested to move those
• 1:06:18
  games forward. And it's the it's the pre show
• 1:06:21
  topic we did, right? We're like, yeah, these
• 1:06:24
  companies are going to start moving away from old people like
• 1:06:29
  us and start focusing on the generations after us, right?
• 1:06:33
  And most of them want to be on PCs or tablets or something
• 1:06:37
  that's, you know, convenience, convenience Trump's quality
• 1:06:42
  every time doesn't matter, right?
• 1:06:43
  I mean, I think I honestly think that's why the switch was so
• 1:06:46
  popular, You know, at a point where like it was just
• 1:06:49
  convenient to it was cheap. It was convenient.
• 1:06:53
  You know, I mean, the Witcher 3 sold 3,000,000 units on the
• 1:06:56
  Switch, right? I mean, like why?
• 1:06:58
  It has no business selling 3,000,000 units on a console
• 1:07:01
  like that. But it did, right?
• 1:07:03
  Because it was convenient. It was cheaper.
• 1:07:06
  Well, I mean, MSRP cheaper, not, I mean, the Witcher is like $5
• 1:07:10
  all the time, but you know, it's, it's just one of those
• 1:07:15
  things. And so like I, I look at that
• 1:07:17
  and I realized that obviously generations behind us don't care
• 1:07:22
  unless they're like video game historians at this point.
• 1:07:24
  Like they're interested in the history of games and they look
• 1:07:26
  back at, you know, the, the previous generations and
• 1:07:32
  interested in what was popular and what wasn't and want to try
• 1:07:34
  them out. But like ultimately, you know,
• 1:07:38
  and I, and I, I know, like the only games that really matter in
• 1:07:41
  that way are Microsoft's published games.
• 1:07:45
  And Xbox is kind of, you know, what they're trying to do
• 1:07:50
  because everything is available everywhere else, right?
• 1:07:52
  And I, you know, I, I totally understand that.
• 1:07:56
  And you know, and I'm just in the minority of that group, but
• 1:08:06
  it's just, it's really hard to be, to invest in that platform
• 1:08:09
  at this point to because you know that most of that stuff's
• 1:08:12
  not going to move forward probably in one way or another.
• 1:08:16
  I am curious with Microsoft there there I I feel it's like
• 1:08:19
  there's been like a blind or sorry, a deaf ear on certain
• 1:08:24
  franchises with Xbox, Crimson Skies, Viva Pinata, certain
• 1:08:30
  things like that. It feels like it's like why
• 1:08:32
  don't they put their efforts to actually like just take that
• 1:08:35
  game or some of those games that are kind of like, you know,
• 1:08:37
  probably not going to be able to move forward.
• 1:08:39
  Just make a remake or a remaster or something like that.
• 1:08:42
  Yeah, doesn't, doesn't have to be a big effort, but at least
• 1:08:45
  make them a playable and available.
• 1:08:48
  What a studio that does those type of games and say, hey, it's
• 1:08:50
  free on Game Pass now as part of your subscription and we can
• 1:08:54
  also sell it on Steam and other platforms.
• 1:08:57
  Seems like it's a no brainer, right?
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, I mean, a lot of those, especially Viva Pinata is on
• 1:09:02
  Rare Replay, which is an Xbox One game.
• 1:09:04
  So those will move forward theoretically.
• 1:09:09
  But you know, I mean something like Crimson Sky, I mean,
• 1:09:12
  that's, that's backwards compatible on Xbox, but that's
• 1:09:16
  not moving over, you know? It's not available anywhere.
• 1:09:18
  It's I don't think it's even on PC right and people would love
• 1:09:21
  to play that game. I mean grab by the ghoulies.
• 1:09:24
  I mean I know it's on Rare replay, but once again, are they
• 1:09:26
  putting Rare Replay on other platforms?
• 1:09:29
  You know Otagi thing about Otagi.
• 1:09:31
  Let me know what that is. That is a From Software game.
• 1:09:35
  On Xbox I remember that. Exclusive and it's stuck there
• 1:09:40
  on the original Xbox did not travel forward because of things
• 1:09:43
  like that. Yeah, I mean, you even think of
• 1:09:45
  games like the Miss Walker games like Blue Dragon and Lost
• 1:09:48
  Odyssey. Those are Xbox 360 exclusive
• 1:09:51
  games that aren't anywhere else. Oh, I guess you could play Blue
• 1:09:54
  Dragon on DS if you want. Good luck.
• 1:09:57
  Maybe, Yeah. I mean, hey, and do you know why
• 1:10:00
  I bought my original Xbox? I'm sure I've told this story
• 1:10:03
  before. There was an exclusive Buffy the
• 1:10:07
  Vampire Slayer game by the Collective on the original Xbox.
• 1:10:12
  It's not playable anywhere, PC anywhere.
• 1:10:14
  It's stuck there. That's why I have a 360 that can
• 1:10:17
  play that game. I own the disc.
• 1:10:20
  It's criminal that Buffy can't come out and say play me on
• 1:10:25
  modern systems. So there we go.
• 1:10:27
  Corey, I don't want to tell you if Buffy's not on the system, I
• 1:10:30
  don't want it. Yeah, and we're getting a remake
• 1:10:36
  of a Buffy. We're getting a reboot of Buffy
• 1:10:38
  the Vampire Slayer on TV. So come on, let's.
• 1:10:41
  Is it going to be good, Todd? I want chaos bleeds.
• 1:10:44
  I want the original. This one I want.
• 1:10:45
  A chaos bleeds. Oh man.
• 1:10:48
  I know that one came out the GameCube and everywhere else.
• 1:10:50
  So I mean find it where you can play it, of course.
• 1:10:53
  Well, we not forward. Competitive.
• 1:10:54
  Never mind. Damn, But if you're a solid twin
• 1:10:56
  Snakes, please. I mean, that's yeah, I.
• 1:11:00
  Mean that they need to help you with that.
• 1:11:03
  I mean. It's not Dennis Dyac.
• 1:11:04
  What's your money? Yeah, I mean, that's that's the
• 1:11:06
  problem is it's Dennis Dyac is holding it up.
• 1:11:08
  It's not Nintendo or Konami. That's kind of like eternal
• 1:11:11
  darkness. What's that coming to GameCube
• 1:11:14
  NS? Night Night Dive said they
• 1:11:16
  wanted to remake it and they're trying almighty so which out of
• 1:11:20
  anybody they might be the. Ones who's a leg to humanity.
• 1:11:22
  That dude makes everybody unhappy.
• 1:11:26
  Well, you didn't. You didn't like him to.
• 1:11:27
  What was that last game he did too human too?
• 1:11:30
  Human. Oh yeah, and he tried to reboot
• 1:11:31
  Eternal Darkness or something else.
• 1:11:33
  He did too. Human was actually fun, but man,
• 1:11:36
  what he proclaimed that game to be.
• 1:11:38
  Yeah. Yeah, he over.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, he over. Advertised.
• 1:11:41
  That one sounds like Peter Mullen.
• 1:11:45
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:11:48
  And RIP Lionsgate or no Lions. Lionheads.
• 1:11:53
  Lionhead. Lion.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah, Lionsgate. That's that's, that's Lionsgate.
• 1:11:56
  Still exists. They're still making movies.
• 1:11:58
  They're still making. Yeah, Ripa.
• 1:12:00
  Lot of the a lot of those, a lot of those members moved over to
• 1:12:04
  Rare to work on Everwild. You know the games.
• 1:12:06
  Cancelled and they all got laid off again.
• 1:12:09
  I hope fable's good, I really do.
• 1:12:12
  Yeah. Well, I mean, next year is the
• 1:12:14
  25th anniversary of Xbox. We're getting four games that
• 1:12:17
  have built that platform and guess I mean, I think.
• 1:12:22
  What is that game that Phil Spencer mentioned that he didn't
• 1:12:27
  Halo tell us what it was Halo. It's Halo.
• 1:12:30
  It's a it's a remake of the first game they're remaking.
• 1:12:32
  Combat was coming evolved, so this will be like a from the
• 1:12:36
  ground floor. It's not a, it's not an Ultimate
• 1:12:38
  edition, right? Where it's going to be like, no,
• 1:12:40
  it's from a it's a ground up remake in Unreal Engine 5, Halo
• 1:12:44
  Combat Evolved. I think it's I think it's only
• 1:12:47
  the campaign because they're still supporting the multiplayer
• 1:12:52
  for Infinite and they are still working on Halo 7 apparently is
• 1:12:56
  still in the works so. So I'm going to ask you a
• 1:12:59
  question. This is open to everybody.
• 1:13:01
  So if we get that, but they say, hey, now the infinite
• 1:13:05
  multiplayer, it's it's on PlayStation.
• 1:13:10
  I mean that would be awesome. Is that a good?
• 1:13:11
  Is that? Is that like a good, like make
• 1:13:13
  good? I think it's awesome because you
• 1:13:15
  got a great. Well, I see.
• 1:13:16
  I don't see how it I don't see how it would not be successful.
• 1:13:19
  I do not. I did not see.
• 1:13:20
  I think, I actually think the Master Chief Collection is going
• 1:13:24
  to PlayStation before Infinite. Corey's been Corey's been saying
• 1:13:26
  this for like 2 months now. I I, I think he's literally
• 1:13:29
  trying to willing to existence. I've been saying it, I I think
• 1:13:32
  I've been saying it for like a year.
• 1:13:33
  Yeah, but you. But you got an hobby.
• 1:13:34
  Got it in the last few months. Yeah, so the Master Chief
• 1:13:38
  Collection is not exactly a spring chicken these days.
• 1:13:41
  No, but they're still support. Well, they they recently stopped
• 1:13:45
  support, but then they built. They have a team that is still
• 1:13:49
  running updates for it. OK, which what are you updating
• 1:13:54
  at this point? But it came out in 2011 I think.
• 1:13:58
  Sure, but people still love. 10 years old.
• 1:14:01
  I mean, I mean, Gears, Gears of War came out in 2006 and they
• 1:14:04
  just released it on PlayStation. I know, Corey, but what I'm
• 1:14:06
  talking about is to get that conundrum of are you just taking
• 1:14:09
  a really old game? Do you, when you want people to
• 1:14:12
  play like those games for the first time, do you want them to
• 1:14:15
  be like 16 year old versions of them that yes, they're prettier
• 1:14:19
  than when they launched, or do you want them to be like the
• 1:14:21
  best they've ever been? I know placing she gets roasted
• 1:14:24
  for like Last of Us, but because they wanted that game to look
• 1:14:28
  the best ever, it's the best way to play it.
• 1:14:30
  It's got updates all these days. I just feel like if Microsoft
• 1:14:34
  is, it just can't port stuff and get people excited about a
• 1:14:37
  franchise. It's like this is everybody's
• 1:14:38
  first, a lot of people's first experience with Halo.
• 1:14:42
  And if it's just an OK experience, it looks OK, but the
• 1:14:45
  textures are dated intentional. I think that the more
• 1:14:51
  intentional when they bring their biggest series now to
• 1:14:56
  these other consoles, especially when they're saying Halo matters
• 1:15:00
  in 2025. I don't know, I, I just feel
• 1:15:03
  like it can't just be here's the games, play them because maybe
• 1:15:07
  something's new is coming. Yeah, so within the Halo
• 1:15:12
  community, Halo 45 and Infinite are not looked at fondly.
• 1:15:20
  Halo 2-3 and Reach are looked at extremely fondly.
• 1:15:24
  And those are the games people want on the platform, on other
• 1:15:27
  platforms because of what they meant to the Xbox, what they
• 1:15:31
  meant to the franchise, what they mean to people.
• 1:15:34
  I personally think Halo 4 is the best game in the series.
• 1:15:39
  But it's got rare employees right that were on that game,
• 1:15:43
  beautiful on a on the 360. Metro I mean people left Retro
• 1:15:48
  to go work on that like it has total metro Metroid Prime
• 1:15:52
  influences which then once they got laid off from 343 they went
• 1:15:57
  back to retro to do Metroid Prime which looks.
• 1:15:59
  Just like Halo 4. So you know, it's one hand feeds
• 1:16:07
  the other, I guess, but like it's I think people want that
• 1:16:13
  because if you're going to remake the first games campaign
• 1:16:17
  and Halo 2 had that kind of remake remaster hybrid thing
• 1:16:22
  going on. Halo 4 looks like an Xbox One
• 1:16:25
  game, runs like an Xbox One game, essentially.
• 1:16:29
  I, I think people are, we'll be fine with that.
• 1:16:32
  I also think people know that these are old games and if you
• 1:16:34
  port them over like they're going to understand.
• 1:16:37
  Someone. With games I don't think people
• 1:16:40
  are as accepting because there's a lot of people that actually
• 1:16:44
  don't feel Halo is relevant these days, especially after
• 1:16:47
  their series on Playmint Plus did not deliver.
• 1:16:50
  Infinite had so many struggles in regards to delays and when it
• 1:16:56
  came out had a very small audience considering it was
• 1:17:00
  where it was. I, I, I kind of feel like Halo
• 1:17:02
  has to be handled, not just with, hey, it's Halo, you love
• 1:17:07
  that game. A lot of people that maybe don't
• 1:17:09
  have experience with it and it has to be like, this is the best
• 1:17:12
  way you'll play the first Halo games going forward.
• 1:17:15
  That's the best version. It's not going to be the 2011
• 1:17:18
  version. It's going to be the newest
• 1:17:19
  version of how you play 23456. And you know what, if they get
• 1:17:25
  slow rolled with the best version, I think that's the best
• 1:17:28
  thing You want to treat that franchise with versus just say,
• 1:17:31
  here's the Master Chief Collection.
• 1:17:33
  Yeah, it's dating looks old, but you just want to play that.
• 1:17:35
  I just feel like that's a disservice and that is not.
• 1:17:39
  Yeah. I mean for your biggest
• 1:17:41
  franchise that you ever had. Yeah, I, I just, I two things.
• 1:17:46
  First of all, I think I think they've done a lot of work to
• 1:17:48
  the Master Chief Collection to make it a very a very great this
• 1:17:57
  product in terms of of a history perspective.
• 1:18:00
  They've really done a great job of making it look and feel like
• 1:18:04
  classic Halo, right? And then the other point, which
• 1:18:09
  is a dumb point because I know this game is really popular and
• 1:18:11
  I'm going to get a lot of hate in the comments for this, so
• 1:18:14
  everybody go ahead. But the best the everybody's
• 1:18:18
  favorite multiplayer game on PlayStation is Hell Divers and
• 1:18:21
  that game plays like garbage. So you went there?
• 1:18:24
  Oh. Really, I didn't.
• 1:18:25
  I didn't have any problems with it.
• 1:18:27
  I mean I when you I the first time I played it was after
• 1:18:31
  playing Gears of War Reloaded and Fortnite and those games
• 1:18:33
  play infinitely better. Than wait, you wait.
• 1:18:35
  You played it after Gears of War Reloaded.
• 1:18:38
  I didn't buy it until I didn't. Play Oh OK, I got it got it, got
• 1:18:41
  it yeah. So I I mean, I played it launch.
• 1:18:43
  I had so much fun with it. I didn't.
• 1:18:45
  Have everybody, Everybody. I just I.
• 1:18:47
  Think I think I I think it control.
• 1:18:50
  I think the controls are really bad.
• 1:18:52
  Oh my God, Oh my God, Here we. Here we go, he said.
• 1:18:54
  It's about Monster Hunter Wild 2, by the way.
• 1:18:56
  It's like. This this is but here's the
• 1:18:58
  thing people people don't I, I feel like people don't care
• 1:19:01
  about third person shooting controls on PlayStation as much
• 1:19:04
  as they do as X as Xbox, as Xbox grew up with Gears right and
• 1:19:09
  gears is like the pinnacle of third person shooting mechanics
• 1:19:12
  in my opinion. And then?
• 1:19:14
  I will say this as. PlayStation grew up with
• 1:19:16
  Uncharted, which you know those. Games, I would say as a newbie
• 1:19:21
  who doesn't play a lot of multiple I I thoroughly enjoyed
• 1:19:23
  the game. I thought was fun.
• 1:19:24
  It's a different type of game than gears or others.
• 1:19:27
  So I, I, I think it's just hard to say like gears is this way
• 1:19:29
  because gears is very much a constrained experience where
• 1:19:33
  hell divers do is just a crap fest of things happen and you
• 1:19:36
  just got to get into it. And it's not like Halo where
• 1:19:39
  it's like it's like it's, it's so.
• 1:19:41
  Because halo's on the. Because Halo's on rails.
• 1:19:45
  Yeah. And it goes on rails and you get
• 1:19:47
  the audience, you get the like the AI which attracts to it.
• 1:19:50
  I feel like with Hell divers too, it's such a different
• 1:19:52
  experience. It's like comparing it to those
• 1:19:54
  and saying it's not, it's different, but not respectful of
• 1:19:58
  other people. I feel like.
• 1:19:59
  I think maybe we're Xbox players, maybe to say.
• 1:20:02
  Games have advanced beyond Gears and.
• 1:20:04
  Things no, then I'm I'm I'm saying from a purely a mechanic
• 1:20:09
  shooting perspective and. Well, I thought it was awesome
• 1:20:12
  perspective. I didn't have any issues with
• 1:20:14
  it. I played gears and those things.
• 1:20:15
  So I don't know, I, I kind of feel like maybe I disagree
• 1:20:18
  because I feel. Like you, I'm I'm so glad
• 1:20:20
  there's another voice of reason on the show tonight.
• 1:20:23
  I I just think, I just think Xbox players feel like their
• 1:20:26
  games are, and this is just weird.
• 1:20:28
  I hear about it. Xbox has a better controller,
• 1:20:31
  their games are better. They do this.
• 1:20:32
  I'm like, I feel like they're trapped in the past and it's
• 1:20:35
  like everybody. Is I think every I think every
• 1:20:37
  fan base. I think every fan base has that
• 1:20:39
  problem though, because like because like Xbox gamers are
• 1:20:41
  like are like this is what this is home of the shooters.
• 1:20:44
  So like every shooter has a play like it would on an Xbox, you
• 1:20:47
  know? But those shooters from the 360
• 1:20:50
  era, unfortunately, that's where Xbox unfortunately hit its
• 1:20:52
  primary cause Xbox One era, they didn't have a new huge franchise
• 1:20:57
  in. That type of mode, they didn't.
• 1:20:58
  Have they're just wanting every game to come?
• 1:21:01
  Well, exactly, but you know what I'm saying, Corey, it's like so
• 1:21:04
  I think like, and then PC it's like it's lauded.
• 1:21:06
  It's done great. So I don't think, and PC is the
• 1:21:09
  game that they don't care about any of the concept between place
• 1:21:12
  and I think they're just like agnostic.
• 1:21:14
  I feel like there's an Xbox arrogance about this is how you
• 1:21:18
  play and if you're different it doesn't feel as good.
• 1:21:21
  I mean I I feel like you guys are misunderstanding what I'm
• 1:21:23
  saying because I to me the Gears of War Reloaded feels old.
• 1:21:29
  I think I agree. I agree with that.
• 1:21:31
  It feels old. How?
• 1:21:34
  'Cause they didn't update the gameplay, they just made it
• 1:21:36
  prettier, gave it a better. Yeah, I'm talking purely about
• 1:21:41
  shooting a gun at an enemy like. Oh, I felt like I had no issues.
• 1:21:46
  And I've played obviously in every console.
• 1:21:48
  I don't like Splatoon. I play that.
• 1:21:50
  I feel like I've played Destiny of like, and I know what a good
• 1:21:52
  game feels like. And to me, it felt like it's a
• 1:21:54
  different approach to it, but still felt really good, Yeah.
• 1:21:58
  I, I don't know, I just I didn't, I, I don't think hell
• 1:22:01
  divers control is great at all. I think it's very poor,
• 1:22:04
  honestly. I.
• 1:22:05
  Played my son is so critical Corey.
• 1:22:07
  He would have told me that the the refresh rate or something
• 1:22:10
  that's bad and he's like he, he just keeps going.
• 1:22:13
  Back I wonder if it just runs bad on Xbox then because I like
• 1:22:16
  I had dropped frames it was like.
• 1:22:18
  Well, movement is probably the worst way to play unfortunately
• 1:22:22
  compared to beefy GPS and you know.
• 1:22:24
  Yeah, well. PlayStation and a good and a
• 1:22:26
  good SSD that that a good SSD handles load times like the
• 1:22:30
  Playstations does like that. Honestly their SSD is performing
• 1:22:34
  better in in most regards than like even like high end Gen. 5
• 1:22:38
  SSDs on the PC right now. Yeah, well, when my PlayStation
• 1:22:43
  stays on long enough, maybe I'll play a game on it.
• 1:22:47
  We're going to start, we're going to start, we're going to
• 1:22:49
  start a fun to help Corey replaces PlayStation Five with a
• 1:22:52
  brand new one. I mean, I I have the money to
• 1:22:56
  replace it. I just, and that's, but that's
• 1:22:58
  the whole point of this conversation is like I'm really
• 1:23:00
  struggling whether or not I should like the the whole
• 1:23:05
  problem is like I'm struggling on trying to play games where I
• 1:23:12
  think I should be playing it, where I want to play them and
• 1:23:17
  not spending $1500 on APC. Well, here's here's the thing
• 1:23:24
  about though. If you spend $1500 on APC, you
• 1:23:26
  won't spend that $1500 anywhere else for a long fucking time.
• 1:23:30
  That's all I'm going to say to that, Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  I don't know, the last time I spent $1500 on APCI, didn't get
• 1:23:35
  a graphics card, I didn't get a monitor, I didn't even get a
• 1:23:37
  plug for it. So.
• 1:23:39
  You bought. You bought from a crappy vendor.
• 1:23:43
  Well, well, I'm going to say this.
• 1:23:46
  I think what Corey needs is a more console like PC experience.
• 1:23:50
  I think that will solve the equation versus building your
• 1:23:52
  own PCI think that's great if you enjoy doing it.
• 1:23:55
  It's. Only another Steam Box is
• 1:23:56
  coming, apparently. I I think that's going to happen
• 1:23:59
  too, but I, I you feel like a ROG Xbox ally that's dockable
• 1:24:07
  will give you the experience you've been wanting in APC with
• 1:24:12
  a full light with the best library in gaming.
• 1:24:14
  Let's put it that way best library in gaming, because let's
• 1:24:17
  put it this way, console library suck.
• 1:24:19
  They are smaller they're less comprehensive, the less
• 1:24:23
  flexibility of doing mods and things like that.
• 1:24:25
  You want to do mods and games, you can PlayStation and
• 1:24:28
  PlayStation Xbox, it's limited and also gives you less
• 1:24:31
  flexibility in what you want to do with your system.
• 1:24:33
  I mean, I would say that. So unless you want to just say
• 1:24:37
  stick to $500 systems, great. You've got a PS-5 for that,
• 1:24:40
  you've got an Xbox for that. You've got a Switch for that.
• 1:24:44
  I think you can better spend your money with a Switch and a
• 1:24:47
  console like. PC Todd, they hear. 90% of your
• 1:24:53
  of your thing I I feel like that I feel like trying to get
• 1:24:56
  consoles over there you're going to spend more anyways because
• 1:24:58
  you have to pay for how much more like subscription services.
• 1:25:02
  I had to re subscribe to PlayStation Plus because I
• 1:25:05
  wanted to play split fiction online, which I feel is so dumb
• 1:25:10
  and I now I have to pay for online to do that where I could
• 1:25:12
  do it on for PC. So I feel like, I know it's dumb
• 1:25:17
  and yes, and PC gaming is sucky, but I think it'll feel like
• 1:25:19
  where we're going is someone will deliver a Steam Deck or a
• 1:25:24
  Xbox like experience with a PC that is a better experience.
• 1:25:28
  I think that's where we're going.
• 1:25:30
  Corey, I know it doesn't answer your question right now.
• 1:25:32
  No, PlayStation is not. Yeah, where it's going.
• 1:25:35
  I love it. You're going to spend 1000 bucks
• 1:25:37
  on boxes for PlayStation? Xbox, I mean, I'm moving
• 1:25:41
  forward. I'm only staying on one.
• 1:25:43
  I'm not going to be buying both moving forward because I just
• 1:25:45
  don't. I don't have all the time.
• 1:25:46
  I don't have the, you know, I mean, I got kids in school.
• 1:25:50
  I got other things there. You go, that's not, you're just
• 1:25:55
  not going to get that. Yeah, I would say.
• 1:25:56
  And unfortunately, being on console, you're just not going
• 1:25:59
  to get the library of both platforms.
• 1:26:03
  Well I mean PlayStation is getting on the Xbox correct,
• 1:26:06
  but. Delayed.
• 1:26:07
  Yeah, delayed, delayed getting a day one and all that stuff,
• 1:26:10
  right? Like you're going to have FOMO.
• 1:26:14
  And you're lacking a lot of those experiences that are only
• 1:26:16
  on PC because they are emerging. They're interesting, they're
• 1:26:19
  fun, they're goofy, they're weird.
• 1:26:21
  And that's where most of the energy is coming out of those
• 1:26:23
  spaces is PC Steam, which is crazy.
• 1:26:26
  I mean, think of a lot. What is it?
• 1:26:27
  What is Leron? What are the some of the crazy
• 1:26:29
  experiences that are coming out, like peak things like that?
• 1:26:32
  Yeah. I don't Yeah it.
• 1:26:34
  Seems like I don't care about those games like I saw peak like
• 1:26:37
  I don't it doesn't interest me at all like I have 0 interest.
• 1:26:40
  Even to save money, Corey or like games on Steam or in PC are
• 1:26:44
  far cheaper. Yeah, and I mean, I bought the
• 1:26:46
  Destiny collection and it was like 15 bucks because I thought
• 1:26:49
  I was going to get a wrong Ally at some point, but.
• 1:26:51
  Like Ninja Gaiden for, you know, 30% off, right?
• 1:26:54
  Right or no, Sorry the shinobi. Game right at the top. 30% off I
• 1:27:01
  didn't play the console tax and that game will be live living on
• 1:27:04
  in my steam library probably for decades and I have to worry
• 1:27:07
  about somebody saying, oh, this, this isn't supported anymore.
• 1:27:11
  I think yeah. I just feel like it's it's a
• 1:27:13
  more future proofed too Consoles.
• 1:27:15
  Unfortunately not Future proofed.
• 1:27:17
  Abandoned. Abandoned Whatever plans you
• 1:27:20
  had, you had Post secret friends unite.
• 1:27:22
  You're you're you're, you're part of Boston W From now on, I
• 1:27:26
  need you here. I know it's horrible.
• 1:27:28
  I know it's horrible. I I have I have ruined.
• 1:27:31
  No, no, I'm not firing ruined. Many, many, many years of my
• 1:27:35
  life. Yes, I've many years.
• 1:27:37
  I've ruined many years of my life on PC updates and things
• 1:27:40
  like that. That's why I'm so glad the
• 1:27:42
  industry is moving forward to make PC more like console.
• 1:27:45
  Because you know what? People just want to like?
• 1:27:46
  They like the platform, they just hate the nonsense that
• 1:27:49
  comes with it. 85 different drivers every 85 different
• 1:27:52
  manufacturer. Well, there was a time when PC
• 1:27:53
  gaming was was simpler, but that was back in like the Windows XP,
• 1:27:57
  Windows 90, Windows 95 days. And then, you know, like as as
• 1:28:00
  PC architecture changed, you know, like like, OK, so I think
• 1:28:05
  this is what I think this is what made PC gaming complicated.
• 1:28:08
  PC architecture changed for one, like, you know, like the X8 X
• 1:28:11
  3264 and 86 formats, you know, like, you know, like those those
• 1:28:15
  platforms, they changed. But then of course, like, you
• 1:28:18
  know, like hardware changed too. And I'm not talking about, I'm
• 1:28:22
  not talking about CPUs and RAM. I'm talking about GPU's.
• 1:28:24
  GPU's got GPU's got exponentially like like like
• 1:28:29
  like I don't know, like I don't know, like it just there was
• 1:28:32
  like there's like something that happened an explosion with GPU
• 1:28:35
  technology and stuff like that. And then, you know, all of a
• 1:28:37
  sudden now we had, you know, developers like, you know, like
• 1:28:40
  crusting getting crushed because like do we developer AMD?
• 1:28:43
  Do we developer for NVIDIA or do we concentrate in developing for
• 1:28:47
  Intel, which whatever, you know. But yeah, I feel like, I feel
• 1:28:52
  like PC gaming got got hard in that sense because like, you
• 1:28:55
  know, like we would turn on games and say powered by NVIDIA
• 1:28:58
  or or play best on AMD, on AMD, you know, or on Radeon.
• 1:29:02
  I mean, you know, stuff like that, you know, and I think
• 1:29:05
  that's where like it got complicated.
• 1:29:07
  And then, of course, like, you know, Microsoft is releasing all
• 1:29:09
  these, all these new, all these new operating systems, you know,
• 1:29:13
  and the operating systems, like for every operating system they
• 1:29:16
  say is optimized for gaming, they, they, there's another one
• 1:29:19
  out there that, you know, is like, oh, we just threw
• 1:29:21
  everything we knew about gaming optimization out the door.
• 1:29:24
  Windows 11. Yeah, I mean it.
• 1:29:28
  And it really became Steam became the leader in PC gaming,
• 1:29:32
  which which unfortunately when you got the leader in that,
• 1:29:35
  which is a third party versus the actual maker of the OS.
• 1:29:40
  All these are things that can't figure out how to make a store.
• 1:29:42
  It makes it very crazy. Then you've got multiple, you've
• 1:29:46
  got basically Intel, AMD and NVIDIA making GPU's.
• 1:29:50
  You've got chipsets, different RAM versions and things.
• 1:29:54
  It just makes it more complicated and more difficult
• 1:29:57
  for the developers to say, I'm going to make a great game that
• 1:30:01
  runs everywhere, Wait, oops, sorry, don't.
• 1:30:04
  I can't because oops, your stuff, your RAM didn't work with
• 1:30:06
  your GPU and your power supply sucks and all this stuff.
• 1:30:09
  It becomes more of a detective work, which I, I, I some people
• 1:30:13
  love to do a lot of people. Let's let's not start with
• 1:30:16
  Unreal Engine 5 tonight. Let's let's save that for
• 1:30:18
  another for the podcast. Engines are another thing.
• 1:30:22
  So Corey, sorry, I, I hope through all of this, we've
• 1:30:26
  supported you, we've cured you. We've we've holds you like a
• 1:30:29
  little baby and said, we want you to feel good.
• 1:30:33
  And I feel like there's a path forward.
• 1:30:35
  It just is going to be more simplified and it's going to be
• 1:30:39
  better for everybody because it's a better place to be if
• 1:30:41
  they can just elaborate. And make it.
• 1:30:43
  Easier, yeah. Consumers, yeah, like, like,
• 1:30:45
  trust me, I'm I'm still gonna fight the good fight.
• 1:30:47
  Whether you're here with plus or not, Todd, I'm still gonna fight
• 1:30:49
  the good fight for Corey because like I, I have faith in Corey
• 1:30:52
  and I believe that. I believe that he is.
• 1:30:54
  He is literally one decision away from having the best gaming
• 1:30:58
  experience of his life for the rest of his life.
• 1:31:02
  Sure. You know what, Corey?
• 1:31:03
  We're here for you. We'll make you better.
• 1:31:07
  We'll help you through it for your decision, regardless what
• 1:31:10
  it is. We won't mock you much, but we
• 1:31:12
  are here for you. I don't know.
• 1:31:15
  Laron will mock me a little bit. Look at him.
• 1:31:17
  Laron, be nice. OK, OK.
• 1:31:20
  You better be. Best be best.
• 1:31:29
  Oh my gosh. All right.
• 1:31:31
  Well, we're going to. We're going to wrap that up with
• 1:31:34
  a nice little bow that I don't really know how to exit out of
• 1:31:36
  it, so we're just going to say it's over.
• 1:31:38
  Or you just just just join the cult like we have snacks.
• 1:31:43
  Do. You, and not the tainted
• 1:31:47
  Kool-aid either. Look, the cult.
• 1:31:51
  The cult flavored Kool-aid. Was it the smalls?
• 1:31:56
  Oh. No man.
• 1:31:58
  Rest in peace, G Fuel. Oh God.
• 1:32:02
  They didn't close, they just rebranded.
• 1:32:04
  Is that what happened? Oh, OK, good.
• 1:32:08
  Job. Good job they made.
• 1:32:09
  They made they made it sound like they were done.
• 1:32:12
  I know they so. That's stupid marketing.
• 1:32:15
  Here's Here's what happened. Faze Clan ended their
• 1:32:19
  partnership with G Fuel, and so G Fuel is now partnering with
• 1:32:22
  PewDiePie, and they redesigned their logo to fit more in line
• 1:32:27
  with Pewdiepie's new channel initiative.
• 1:32:31
  And yeah, it would. It backfired.
• 1:32:34
  So you want a fun fact? Fun fact.
• 1:32:37
  Face Clan partnered with my company that makes pizza rolls.
• 1:32:42
  I got my I got, I got an old swag shirt for my son and had
• 1:32:46
  pizza rolls Face Clan on it. And he's like, dad, I don't want
• 1:32:50
  this. I'm like, sorry, I try to be
• 1:32:52
  cool. My kid, my my son would think
• 1:32:56
  you're cool. He likes pizza rolls.
• 1:32:58
  He loves pizza rolls. I mean, that's, I mean.
• 1:33:02
  I there's 2 bags of them upstairs in my freezer right
• 1:33:04
  now. I mean, I mean the bar.
• 1:33:06
  The bar doesn't have to be high for a three-year old.
• 1:33:10
  He's 40. Four.
• 1:33:11
  OK, I'm sorry. I was off by a year.
• 1:33:12
  I'm sorry. Pizza rolls are the original
• 1:33:14
  gaming fuel. It's true.
• 1:33:17
  Yeah. Pizza rolls, Mountain Dew.
• 1:33:21
  All right, well, I feel like we've been running a little bit
• 1:33:24
  long on this, so we're going to do we want to answer your
• 1:33:27
  question questions. We don't need to answer all of
• 1:33:29
  them. We can answer one or two I.
• 1:33:30
  Guess I'll I'll defer to Todd. Yeah, Todd.
• 1:33:36
  Todd shrugs. Todd, we're we're narrating
• 1:33:39
  Todd. Todd's movements now.
• 1:33:41
  Audio version. Now Todd's dancing to something
• 1:33:46
  Doctor Evil. Thank you, Finger.
• 1:33:49
  All right, here we go. So we'll we'll answer a couple
• 1:33:52
  of these if we. Hang on, let me start running.
• 1:33:54
  Hang on. I'm still here.
• 1:33:55
  Let me let me just turn my camera off because I know it's
• 1:33:57
  going to agitate a few people when they watch the when they
• 1:33:59
  watch the show later. I'm.
• 1:34:01
  Why? What are you doing?
• 1:34:02
  I'm trying to keep this computer that I built from melting down.
• 1:34:05
  That's that's I'm doing. I'm doing live testing.
• 1:34:09
  I'm doing live live. We know you're paying care.
• 1:34:13
  I'm doing live stress testing, you know, because like I
• 1:34:15
  promised, I promised a customer a computer by Friday.
• 1:34:20
  The the audience isn't like when they're on or Pat aren't paying
• 1:34:22
  attention. Yeah, yeah, I trust me.
• 1:34:25
  I'm invested. Like people just don't believe
• 1:34:27
  I'm invested well. Just hear a screenshot of around
• 1:34:30
  Fair. Quotes not paying attention.
• 1:34:31
  Yeah, so if I do this, but you see like the little, the little
• 1:34:34
  audio bubble around my photo, that means, you know, I'm
• 1:34:36
  engaged. He's intentional.
• 1:34:39
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:34:40
  Our first question comes from Alex Ramirez.
• 1:34:45
  He says he asks what what's 1 trend in gaming today?
• 1:34:49
  Like live service models, remakes or handheld PCs that you
• 1:34:53
  think will still be around in 10 years?
• 1:34:57
  Man, I feel like they're all going to be around in 10 years.
• 1:34:59
  Yeah, live service models are not are not going to be are not
• 1:35:03
  going to be as prominent as they were in like the last three
• 1:35:05
  years. They're not going to be as
• 1:35:06
  prominent, but they're still going to be there.
• 1:35:08
  And you know, like starting certain games like hybrids for
• 1:35:10
  live service models. Like, you know, like like like
• 1:35:13
  for example, we take Monster Hunters, Splatoon and stuff like
• 1:35:15
  that, like Mario Kart. Those have a live those are like
• 1:35:18
  live service light, you know, without like the full on
• 1:35:21
  investment and stuff like that. I think, I think handheld PCs
• 1:35:26
  are going to hit a are going to are going to hit equilibrium.
• 1:35:29
  Not saying that they're going to go away, but like the market's
• 1:35:31
  going to realize exactly what lane handheld PCs should be in.
• 1:35:35
  And that includes the entire gamut of handheld PCs,
• 1:35:38
  everything from the Android handhelds to like the like the
• 1:35:42
  pure cloud handhelds, even even our PC handhelds that, you know,
• 1:35:45
  in their iteration right now, PC handhelds feel like a gold rush
• 1:35:49
  right now because like, you know, like it's it's it.
• 1:35:52
  When the Steam Deck came out, it felt like untapped potential and
• 1:35:55
  now everybody's just flocking to it, trying to find like the
• 1:35:57
  best, the sweet spot and what works the best.
• 1:36:00
  And also trying to cater to us gamers that us PC gamers that
• 1:36:04
  you know, what good performance out of this stuff.
• 1:36:06
  We don't, we don't want these things to be like the best.
• 1:36:09
  We just want to be able to play every game.
• 1:36:10
  And unfortunately, you know, like, for example, like, you
• 1:36:13
  know, like I I said last week, like Unreal, Unreal 5 does not
• 1:36:16
  like does not like the current handhelds right now with the
• 1:36:19
  exceptional Legion go to which I haven't seen how like Mel gore
• 1:36:21
  solid, for example, plays on it. But I know right now Mel Gore
• 1:36:24
  solid delta cannot play on on my wrong Ally.
• 1:36:26
  Well, you know, ally or LAX stuff like that.
• 1:36:29
  You know, remakes, remakes I think are still are, are still
• 1:36:34
  going to be the thing that really has like a, a chokehold
• 1:36:38
  on gaming and the industry because we have some, we have
• 1:36:42
  some phenomenal remakes that, that, that, that have come out
• 1:36:45
  recently and are coming out. Like I, I'm going to disappear
• 1:36:49
  when Evil Lease chronicles Final Fantasy Tactics comes out.
• 1:36:52
  Like I'm probably not even going to be on podcast for that when
• 1:36:55
  that comes out. So so just prepare yourself find
• 1:36:58
  find a substitute for me that night.
• 1:37:01
  Yeah, I feel like, I feel like the way remakes are going,
• 1:37:06
  right. I mean, you're going to start
• 1:37:07
  instead of like, instead of something like Final Fantasy
• 1:37:11
  Tactics, Evilest Chronicles, I think you're going to see more
• 1:37:14
  classic games get the Resident Evil and Final Fantasy 7
• 1:37:17
  treatment of like full on reimagined RE, you know, redone
• 1:37:22
  from the ground up even maybe some of the stories even being
• 1:37:26
  retold in a way. Right, and the develop and the
• 1:37:28
  developers are starting are starting to not half ass it
• 1:37:30
  either. Actually, they're actually
• 1:37:32
  finding a good balance on giving us either good new quality
• 1:37:35
  content interspersed with the with the original content, or
• 1:37:38
  they're finding a way like mug or solid delta, for example.
• 1:37:41
  They're finding ways to make it a one to one recreation of the
• 1:37:44
  original game with enhancements and, you know, and, and
• 1:37:48
  enhancements and something that makes it look modern without
• 1:37:52
  like sullying the original product.
• 1:37:55
  Yeah. I'd agree.
• 1:37:58
  I think when you have great games that have a great
• 1:38:02
  foundation but the people that are passionate about them are
• 1:38:06
  significantly older and they no longer are controlling the
• 1:38:10
  narrative of the game and just bringing it forward is OK.
• 1:38:14
  I think of games like Chrono Trigger where great it's an old
• 1:38:18
  game and people are Revere it, but I think it's out of touch
• 1:38:21
  for a great new audience that would explore it.
• 1:38:24
  Maybe it's a 2 DHD version or something where you can make it
• 1:38:27
  bring life or maybe make it and. Trigger would be awesome if they
• 1:38:30
  if it was done like live alive. Oh my God.
• 1:38:33
  Yeah. Or or just make it a hand
• 1:38:36
  animated version. Think about that where these
• 1:38:38
  characters look amazing, like like anime characters and you
• 1:38:41
  could bring it and give it that life.
• 1:38:42
  Because I feel like there's so much reverence for a lot of
• 1:38:45
  these older series where I feel like you're missing out because
• 1:38:48
  you're getting these series where I feel like people are
• 1:38:53
  narratives have changed. And yes, it's great.
• 1:38:55
  There's great baseline, but you can break it and modernize it
• 1:38:57
  and make it respectful and make it amazing.
• 1:39:00
  The same final final Final Fantasy 7 Remake is finding in
• 1:39:04
  the audience. It's taking some of those
• 1:39:05
  revered and still play the old version, but you know, make it
• 1:39:08
  awesome. There's a lot of games that are
• 1:39:10
  like that. And that's why I feel like we've
• 1:39:13
  got to respect the old stuff that's out there, but make it
• 1:39:16
  the best version that people that have never experienced that
• 1:39:22
  and give it them that way. Because I feel like if you half
• 1:39:25
  assed it and just give them like a, a mild treatment, you're just
• 1:39:29
  going to get 1/2 hearted reception and move.
• 1:39:33
  So I think there's, there's a way to approach this in a way
• 1:39:36
  that Resident Evil's been great at.
• 1:39:37
  And I think other franchises could learn from that.
• 1:39:40
  And it's going to, I think that's where we go forward with
• 1:39:43
  it. But but other than that, Corey,
• 1:39:44
  I think it's the handheld, the option or the hybrid I think is
• 1:39:49
  the future of gaming. Handheld's great, but I still
• 1:39:51
  want a big screen experience where there is amazing stuff on
• 1:39:56
  screen that shouldn't just be squished to an 8 inch experience
• 1:40:00
  just like movies. If you told me I should watch
• 1:40:02
  Christopher Nolan's films on a six inch tablet, that's not a
• 1:40:07
  great, that's not makes sense, that's not respecting.
• 1:40:09
  That doesn't make sense. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:40:13
  So I think it should be a play how you want but don't restrict
• 1:40:17
  the platform or the game to just a the worst way to experience.
• 1:40:22
  Remember, remember back in the PS2 era, live in your world
• 1:40:25
  playing ours. Remember that.
• 1:40:30
  I, I love that. That's one of the best slogans.
• 1:40:33
  Yeah, so there's there's no lack of content that's available to
• 1:40:37
  be brought forward in an awesome new way.
• 1:40:39
  I wish that we would get there versus just taking games from
• 1:40:42
  the last 10 years and focusing on that.
• 1:40:44
  So that's what I'm hoping we would bring forward is older
• 1:40:48
  experiences and new modern, like kind of like Zelda.
• 1:40:50
  I think, you know, Link to, you know, Link to the Past could be
• 1:40:55
  brought forward in a great way. Same thing with Super Metroid,
• 1:40:59
  telling people that they should experience only those games in
• 1:41:01
  the old way. You know, you know, Corey,
• 1:41:04
  maybe, maybe you are fired. Man, Todd is speaking my love
• 1:41:08
  language tonight. This entire episode.
• 1:41:13
  I'm telling, I'm telling you, man.
• 1:41:14
  No, you're not fired. You're not fired like I need.
• 1:41:16
  I need you. But I will definitely take Todd.
• 1:41:24
  I mean, I I would also take Todd.
• 1:41:28
  No, I, I, I'm, I'm just here to. Say that the dark is coming
• 1:41:32
  back. Oh no.
• 1:41:34
  I'm of an age where I realize that I'm not the future, but we
• 1:41:39
  need to bring people along with us.
• 1:41:41
  And so we shouldn't just say be snobs and say you got to play it
• 1:41:44
  the the the original way as intended, because I think that's
• 1:41:47
  just silly. It's why it's why movies get
• 1:41:50
  remade. It's why experiences get remade,
• 1:41:52
  because we want people to play it in a way that is respectful
• 1:41:55
  and is amazing, whether it's just up resed and available on
• 1:41:58
  those platforms or it's in a way that brings in new fans.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, I, I think the, the, the two, well, not 2, but there's
• 1:42:09
  quite a few. But like when Paper Mario was
• 1:42:12
  remade on Switch and when Super Mario RPG were was remade on
• 1:42:16
  Switch, I think those are the best ways to play those games.
• 1:42:20
  You know, I think that the Dead Space remake is obviously, even
• 1:42:24
  though that game, there wasn't anything wrong with the 360 and
• 1:42:27
  PS3 version of it. Like the remake is clearly the
• 1:42:31
  the, the way to play. Like it's, you know, I, I think
• 1:42:37
  people would ultimately recommend Resident Evil 2 and 3
• 1:42:42
  Remake over the the originals at this point.
• 1:42:45
  So. Yeah, it's it's like Cotor,
• 1:42:48
  right? That Cotor remake that they keep
• 1:42:50
  talking. And I'm like, that's why I don't
• 1:42:52
  want to go back and play the old version.
• 1:42:54
  I want that new version that makes it amazing versus the
• 1:42:57
  version that showed up on the original.
• 1:42:58
  Xbox Yeah 20. Four years ago.
• 1:43:01
  So yeah, I think those properties need respect.
• 1:43:06
  Yeah, I can play them, but I'm not sure I'm going to have a.
• 1:43:08
  Great. Yeah, you missed it, Todd, for
• 1:43:10
  for a few weeks. I in the build up to to ready,
• 1:43:13
  getting ready for the Final Fantasy Tactics remake.
• 1:43:16
  I was actually playing the original version for for a few
• 1:43:19
  weeks. That was that was a prominent
• 1:43:20
  heavy hitter in my what we've been playing.
• 1:43:22
  And I got to a point, I got to a point of story.
• 1:43:24
  I was like, you know what, if I keep going, I'm not going to
• 1:43:27
  want to play the remake. So I had to put it down.
• 1:43:31
  Yeah, yeah, Link's awakening also on Switch was like.
• 1:43:36
  Oh, I loved that game. I'd I tried it on the original
• 1:43:39
  GBA and I'm like, I fell off and when I came out I'm like, I love
• 1:43:43
  this. So yeah, let's get let's get
• 1:43:44
  more respectful options to bringing people to the old in
• 1:43:49
  the past, right? That's what we want.
• 1:43:51
  These games are great. It's not because they just lived
• 1:43:54
  at a time, it's because they are great games.
• 1:43:59
  All right. Sam Hall writes in via YouTube
• 1:44:01
  comment. What's the last game that
• 1:44:04
  completely surprised you, something you didn't expect to
• 1:44:07
  enjoy as much as you did? I mean, my, my answer is very
• 1:44:12
  clear. It's clear obscure.
• 1:44:13
  Expedition 33, I wasn't even going to play that game.
• 1:44:17
  And it was on Game Pass and I was looking for a game to play
• 1:44:20
  and I thought, I'll just try it out.
• 1:44:22
  It's it's one of my favorite games of all time now.
• 1:44:25
  Like, hands down. Yeah, if we're talking, if we're
• 1:44:28
  talking new games like, yeah, probably.
• 1:44:32
  I think, I think also clear obscure would be it for me.
• 1:44:35
  But but also also I'd have to say Sea of Stars.
• 1:44:42
  Yeah. I didn't think I was going to
• 1:44:44
  fall in love with that game the way I did.
• 1:44:46
  I know you. You.
• 1:44:47
  You still talk about that? Yes, That's door for me also.
• 1:44:52
  Oh. That's another, that's another
• 1:44:53
  good one. And I and I and I bought the, I
• 1:44:55
  bought the, I bought the Steam version when it came out.
• 1:45:00
  I love that game, but. I bought the store before it
• 1:45:03
  came to a game pass. I'm like, I wish I waited
• 1:45:06
  because that game just did not connect with me.
• 1:45:07
  But yeah, I know I wish I loved it.
• 1:45:11
  I just, I just struggle with certain things of it, but I I
• 1:45:14
  totally get it. I didn't, I didn't really like
• 1:45:16
  it the first time I played it either.
• 1:45:17
  And then I, I was actually on when I played it.
• 1:45:20
  I was actually on vacation. I had just finished the Links
• 1:45:25
  Awakening and the second time I I had Death's Door on my Switch
• 1:45:30
  and I was like, yeah, I'm in the mood for Zelda.
• 1:45:35
  This kind of has a Zelda vibe. I'm just going to play it.
• 1:45:38
  And like, at first it was like really hard and I was like, I
• 1:45:40
  don't know. But then people were like, it's
• 1:45:42
  so good. It's so good.
• 1:45:43
  I'm like, I got it. I got at least give it the old
• 1:45:45
  college try and ended up finishing it on vacation.
• 1:45:47
  Like I played the whole thing on vacation.
• 1:45:50
  I got to a point. Where just clicked Tunic's
• 1:45:53
  another game is like I just really wanted to love that game
• 1:45:55
  and it just did not click with me at.
• 1:45:56
  All Yeah, I tried Tunic after Death's Door and it was too
• 1:46:00
  slow, it was too vague. I love the aesthetic.
• 1:46:06
  I just wanted it to be more of what I was expecting.
• 1:46:09
  But that's my issue, not the games.
• 1:46:11
  A lot of people love that game. Yeah, I totally get it.
• 1:46:14
  Yeah, that's one of those things.
• 1:46:14
  Just like, is it a game problem or is it a me problem?
• 1:46:17
  And I would say Death Store and Tunic are my problem.
• 1:46:20
  So enjoy those games. Benic was a bit my problem.
• 1:46:23
  Yeah, like, like, like I like, I was, I was seeing, I was hearing
• 1:46:27
  everybody falling in love with it and it just, it just did not
• 1:46:29
  latch on to me the way I thought it would have.
• 1:46:34
  Yeah, which is a disappointment because I love this aesthetic, I
• 1:46:36
  love the style and I love the story, but yeah, not great for
• 1:46:39
  me. For for me, I have two games.
• 1:46:42
  One is called Fist, which is just a weird name.
• 1:46:44
  I I remember that You're in the deep.
• 1:46:47
  Yeah, It's it's called Forged in Shadow torture this Bunny with
• 1:46:51
  these weird like Mac elements. It is so fun because it's a
• 1:46:55
  Metroidvania, but it's more like, I would say combat that
• 1:47:00
  involves like bashing rather than guns and things like that.
• 1:47:04
  It's great. I love it.
• 1:47:06
  It's beautiful, it's available everywhere and I just, that game
• 1:47:09
  just took my heart and I loved it.
• 1:47:11
  It was the right mix of difficulty, fun, beauty and a
• 1:47:15
  cool story. And it didn't have a lot of like
• 1:47:19
  fluff in it. So it's it's available.
• 1:47:23
  I mean, pretty probably pretty cheap, but it's great.
• 1:47:25
  I love that game. One of the.
• 1:47:26
  First Sony China hero projects they brought.
• 1:47:31
  Over oh really I did not know that and then one of the other
• 1:47:35
  games is called banishers that is by don't nod.
• 1:47:41
  It is an amazing game by that team that made vampire and some
• 1:47:46
  other games as well. But I would say banishers was
• 1:47:49
  great because it became a game that had action combat, but it
• 1:47:54
  was still focused on an amazing story about a couple who are in
• 1:47:59
  like a new world like America and coming in to explore
• 1:48:03
  supernatural occurrences. They're called banishers and
• 1:48:08
  horrible happens. It's it's amazing.
• 1:48:10
  I I. Didn't I didn't ever play As
• 1:48:12
  soon as you said that part I, I, I knew what game you're talking
• 1:48:14
  about that right there. And something very horrible
• 1:48:18
  happens to one of the couple right in the beginning, but
• 1:48:20
  you're eventually just essentially exploring these
• 1:48:25
  really amazing stories about loss and ghosts and things like
• 1:48:31
  that are that are haunting this community.
• 1:48:34
  And you have to understand what happened.
• 1:48:35
  You follow the traces and there is combat.
• 1:48:38
  But I would say the combat is getting better with this this
• 1:48:41
  this developer, they made Vampire, which is a very cool
• 1:48:44
  game, but I would say combat it would be almost it's like the
• 1:48:47
  stranger. What is that one game where
• 1:48:51
  you're doing the Oh God, I'm bling.
• 1:48:54
  Was it stranger colors or or? No strange.
• 1:48:58
  Yeah, like a strange. So there you go.
• 1:49:00
  Imagine they try to go forward with like an action combat game.
• 1:49:05
  They're doing great things. They have elements and I feel
• 1:49:07
  like this team with don't not is doing that.
• 1:49:09
  They're basically taking that concept of great relationship,
• 1:49:12
  great storytelling, but with adding a little bit more action
• 1:49:15
  elements to get people engaged. And I love it.
• 1:49:17
  And I feel like there's a lot with this game.
• 1:49:19
  So I've I always wanted to play those games and, and I just
• 1:49:23
  never got into them. And this I feel like is my been
• 1:49:25
  my entryway. So play Vampire, play banishers,
• 1:49:29
  'cause I think they're well worth it and they're probably
• 1:49:30
  pretty cheap. Nice that you reminded me of a
• 1:49:35
  plug tail was another game that I really liked.
• 1:49:39
  So all right, we're going to we're going to take this.
• 1:49:45
  We're just going to do one more question here.
• 1:49:49
  Do this is this comes from marine gamer 1289 loves Laurent.
• 1:49:57
  Do you think physical games will ever disappear completely?
• 1:50:01
  Well, Marine gamer 1289, if if, if you will allow me to answer
• 1:50:05
  this one. I don't think I don't think
• 1:50:08
  physical games will will completely disappear, but I do
• 1:50:11
  feel like it's not going to be as mainstream or prominent as we
• 1:50:15
  think it is. Like, you know, we'll have like
• 1:50:17
  the limited run games out there. Of course we'll have like
• 1:50:20
  developers that you know, developers and publishers that
• 1:50:22
  know like there's enthusiasts for it and stuff like that.
• 1:50:24
  You know, like, I don't think they'll completely disappear
• 1:50:27
  because like, I feel like physical, physical games has
• 1:50:30
  been like part of our gaming DNA.
• 1:50:32
  Like as PC gamers, we're the first ones to feel weak.
• 1:50:36
  We haven't had a physical game box in 15 years now.
• 1:50:40
  And you know, if we do, if we do get 1, you know, it's literally
• 1:50:44
  just artwork. You know, it is not, it is not
• 1:50:47
  something that you know, is basically like, you know, it's
• 1:50:49
  got a disk or like whatever, you know, to actually like get the
• 1:50:53
  medium into our into our devices.
• 1:50:55
  You know, it was Todd got there, Todd.
• 1:50:58
  Todd got something. This is like the last like
• 1:51:02
  physical PC game I own. Betrayal at or return to
• 1:51:07
  Krondor. It is probably from like 1998.
• 1:51:13
  That's where that's in the last, the last one, the last physical
• 1:51:19
  game that I have that actually had it, like it actually had a
• 1:51:22
  disc in the box is the Battlefield.
• 1:51:25
  It was the Battlefield. It wasn't 2042.
• 1:51:28
  It was the IT was the RTS Battlefield game that was in
• 1:51:30
  sci-fi setting. But yeah, oh God, it's the
• 1:51:34
  Battlefield RTS. I guess maybe if I do it that
• 1:51:37
  way, like you'll tell me which one it is.
• 1:51:41
  Was it? Yeah, that was Battlefield I.
• 1:51:42
  Feel like you're talking about. I feel like you're talking
• 1:51:44
  about. Commanding No, no, no, no.
• 1:51:46
  Battlefield had I, I, I, I, I promise you Battlefield had a
• 1:51:49
  freaking RTS game. Like like somebody out there,
• 1:51:52
  somebody on the comments, please, like, please, like chime
• 1:51:54
  in. You'll probably chime in before
• 1:51:55
  I can before I can. Well, they will let you know.
• 1:51:57
  Yeah, before I can figure it out. 2142 There we go,
• 1:52:02
  Battlefield 2142 that. 212142 Ron and you and two people play.
• 1:52:08
  I'm sorry it wasn't for it wasn't FPS.
• 1:52:10
  I'm sorry it wasn't FPS. I don't know why I thought was a
• 1:52:13
  RTS game. I don't know why it wasn't.
• 1:52:16
  It wasn't FPS game from 2006. You feeling all right, Lauren?
• 1:52:21
  Yeah, I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right.
• 1:52:23
  Well, that's 2006. That just shows how far back
• 1:52:26
  this, how far back this game was that I, I forgot like critical
• 1:52:30
  elements of what the game was. I promise you guys, I played it.
• 1:52:33
  I just, I just have fuzzy memory about it, that's all.
• 1:52:37
  Hey, I'm 50 year. Literally like 1.2 gigabytes
• 1:52:40
  right here. And yeah, I'm 50 years old.
• 1:52:43
  Please give me cut me some slack.
• 1:52:44
  Be nice. Yeah, I think I think physical
• 1:52:50
  games will stick around for a while.
• 1:52:52
  I think you're going to see more places like limited run and
• 1:52:56
  Super Rare games pop up and it's going to become more boutique
• 1:53:00
  and more that's going to be your special edition of the game is
• 1:53:05
  the physical copy. And they'll be tears of of that,
• 1:53:08
  right. But I don't think they'll ever
• 1:53:11
  really go away. They're.
• 1:53:13
  Not going the way of the dodo, Not.
• 1:53:15
  I think. I think certain companies will
• 1:53:18
  stop doing physical games right? Like Microsoft seems to be
• 1:53:21
  leaning that way already. Gears Reloaded didn't get a
• 1:53:25
  physical copy on Xbox, only on PlayStation.
• 1:53:29
  Hellblade didn't get a physical copy at all.
• 1:53:32
  I mean with Xbox, their biggest selling system is the Series S.
• 1:53:37
  It's A digital only system. So that tells kind of tells the
• 1:53:41
  tale right there. I mean, with Switch you'll still
• 1:53:43
  get it because it comes with the the base system comes with that.
• 1:53:47
  I'm hearing PlayStation with the PS6 will not come with a drive,
• 1:53:51
  but you can drive it, buy a Dr. optionally.
• 1:53:54
  That just tells you the tale right there.
• 1:53:55
  That is saying and then PCs have not had a physical drive in
• 1:54:00
  decades. So yeah.
• 1:54:01
  Nintendo. Nintendo would want their damage
• 1:54:04
  to phase them out too. And exactly with the the game
• 1:54:07
  cards, basically it's just a key that you can put in.
• 1:54:10
  I would say at best we should expect steel books and really
• 1:54:16
  cool ways to say you own a game but don't necessarily play the
• 1:54:20
  game because let's put it on this way.
• 1:54:22
  Digital is the king. And if we can have a way to show
• 1:54:25
  that we love a game with a digital, you know, a steel box
• 1:54:30
  or something like that, physically to show it, I think
• 1:54:33
  that's where we're going to end. So I think that's fine.
• 1:54:36
  Like CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray, great. I know there's collectors of it,
• 1:54:42
  but quite honestly, a lot of people will rarely have a way to
• 1:54:46
  watch a disc unless they buy a very expensive 4K Blu-ray
• 1:54:52
  system, which is super expensive.
• 1:54:53
  And if you're watching games on or anything on DVD, guys, you're
• 1:54:57
  doing it wrong. Sorry.
• 1:54:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Corey, mom, get it right.
• 1:55:04
  Get a Blu-ray 4K. Corey, get your mom a Blu-ray
• 1:55:09
  UHD system ASAP for Mother's Day.
• 1:55:13
  They have a 4K Blu-ray player with surround sound set up in
• 1:55:18
  their. Basement.
• 1:55:19
  They still buy DVD. And they still watch the DVDs
• 1:55:22
  like, and I don't, I, I don't know if it's by mistake or what,
• 1:55:26
  but like, I'm just like, Oh my gosh.
• 1:55:28
  So you probably have cataracts at.
• 1:55:30
  That age, so it's OK. It all looks this.
• 1:55:33
  Yeah, I, I, I, I, I feel your pain on this one, Corey, because
• 1:55:37
  like, I, I tried my best to like, give my mom the best
• 1:55:40
  experiences and it, it bites me in the ass every time.
• 1:55:44
  Look, you're talking to somebody who tried to teach their mom how
• 1:55:46
  to use the computer once, and she picked the mouse up and
• 1:55:48
  started tapping the screen because I told her to put the
• 1:55:51
  like, put the mouse over. The the that is wild.
• 1:55:54
  That's wild. On the screen.
• 1:55:57
  On the screen. Yeah, that was great.
• 1:55:58
  My mom called me because she wanted to figure out how to put
• 1:56:01
  pictures on her iPhone e-mail. That went well.
• 1:56:06
  My mom also thinks I work for the Internet so.
• 1:56:09
  My mom thinks I My mom thinks I work for the Internet.
• 1:56:11
  Too. Oh, Al Gore is your boss.
• 1:56:14
  The creator of the Internet, I guess.
• 1:56:15
  That's great. Tell Al I said hi.
• 1:56:17
  I don't. Even remember what we were
• 1:56:20
  talking about. Oh, physical games.
• 1:56:23
  I so I stopped physical game collecting a long time ago.
• 1:56:28
  I have physical games of the games that I truly love and
• 1:56:34
  that's only if the game is fully playable off the disc or off the
• 1:56:38
  cart, like Zelda or you know, like the the Xenoblade series I
• 1:56:45
  have physically or Pikmin or you know, I have my PS2 versions of
• 1:56:49
  God of War one and two sitting over here.
• 1:56:51
  You know, like those. But like, those are more for
• 1:56:55
  nostalgia sake than anything at this point, you know?
• 1:56:59
  It's a museum piece to say, like playable on a system.
• 1:57:03
  And you know what? We've got to be OK with that
• 1:57:05
  because nothing is. I think people feel like
• 1:57:09
  everything has to be available everywhere.
• 1:57:11
  But I came from a generation where if you missed a movie in
• 1:57:14
  the theater, good luck trying to watch.
• 1:57:17
  You had, you had to wait like at least a year.
• 1:57:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe. I mean, it wasn't it, it wasn't
• 1:57:24
  even until like really Disney started coming out with a big
• 1:57:28
  puffy VHS boxes that like it was like more popular to put things
• 1:57:33
  out. Yeah, there were.
• 1:57:35
  There's more times behind us that had no media that we're
• 1:57:40
  ready to play at all times than we do now.
• 1:57:42
  So I think we just have a short mindset of that and yeah, it's
• 1:57:47
  OK, but you know, get what you get what you can while you can.
• 1:57:51
  And don't expect others to produce that unless there's a
• 1:57:56
  financial reason to do it. And you know what?
• 1:57:58
  Limited run games will do what they can.
• 1:58:00
  Criterion does what it does with the movie movies perspective,
• 1:58:05
  but nobody's doing that for TV. Do you expect to find like Love
• 1:58:08
  Island 25 on immediate physical media?
• 1:58:12
  Yep, risingly. No.
• 1:58:15
  No, because we no, because we we have to beg for Star Trek now on
• 1:58:20
  physical media. We have to beg for Star Trek
• 1:58:22
  now. So Laron buy those series where
• 1:58:24
  they still exist. Buy the game on whatever I
• 1:58:27
  bought the game for what was it called the the the animated?
• 1:58:32
  Game Prodigy. Prodigy.
• 1:58:34
  I bought I bought a version. So you know what I think I was
• 1:58:36
  in Best Buy the other day and I saw I saw a probably game on on
• 1:58:39
  PS-5 for like 15 bucks. I should I should snatch it up.
• 1:58:42
  I should snatch it up. You should.
• 1:58:44
  Yep, Yep, exactly. So so Corey, your kids will
• 1:58:48
  probably not want in this. Remember this.
• 1:58:50
  Nobody wants your physical crap. I know as you old age, your
• 1:58:54
  children know. I want to, you know, my, my, my
• 1:58:56
  son doesn't want my comics that have been sitting there.
• 1:58:58
  And I'm like, I'm so glad of my comics.
• 1:59:01
  Nobody wants your old crap. Oh my God.
• 1:59:04
  Geek wills will be an awesome part of the future.
• 1:59:06
  So if you're a lawyer geek, Wills, that's how you're.
• 1:59:09
  Going to make your money? Professionally into holy crap.
• 1:59:13
  Oh my God, you talk about that as a future man.
• 1:59:16
  Being like being a state planner.
• 1:59:18
  Legacies. Being a state planner for us.
• 1:59:21
  Or a lawyer on this podcast, I know we talk about that.
• 1:59:26
  Oh God, Oh my God. I'm.
• 1:59:29
  My kids are going to hate me because I because like, I don't
• 1:59:32
  give a damn about physical content as much anymore.
• 1:59:34
  My kids would. My kids would hate me if they're
• 1:59:36
  they're waiting for me to pass away for they can get that giant
• 1:59:38
  video game collection to like cash in.
• 1:59:40
  Oh. In your way, you'll have to put
• 1:59:43
  all your steam your steam logins unfortunately around, sorry.
• 1:59:48
  I I got to say though, when our Internet went out, my kids were
• 1:59:52
  sure happy that I had Disney movies on Blu-ray.
• 1:59:56
  So that's right. That's right man, I still.
• 2:00:00
  Have a VHSDVD recorder combo unit.
• 2:00:05
  You jealous? I am a little bit actually.
• 2:00:07
  Yeah, I think everybody is. Yeah, I think.
• 2:00:10
  LeBron, he frozen. Yeah, he froze.
• 2:00:13
  Oh my God. Or he's very excited about all
• 2:00:15
  that and he just can't respond. I know, man, LeBron, you're
• 2:00:20
  killing it. You're killing us here.
• 2:00:23
  Yeah, I got. I actually like for games that I
• 2:00:25
  like, really love. Now I've just been getting like
• 2:00:27
  physical figures to put on my shelf.
• 2:00:29
  I. Love that I love that Corey, my
• 2:00:32
  son, when he went to his apartment, actually said, dad,
• 2:00:35
  can I have some of the MO meebo and I said yes, you can.
• 2:00:39
  It was a it was a magical thing. Oh my God, I almost.
• 2:00:42
  Cried. That's amazing.
• 2:00:45
  Yeah, I actually bought the, I've been buying these little
• 2:00:47
  Mega Man, the the those Mega Man collector collector toys that
• 2:00:52
  are like 25 bucks apiece. I just got, I got Fireman
• 2:00:57
  yesterday. So I've cut Man, Fireman and
• 2:01:01
  Mega Man now. Did you see the Genesis carts
• 2:01:03
  where they open up and they've got like like different versions
• 2:01:06
  of games or in the Genesis with characters?
• 2:01:08
  They're pretty cool. Yeah, they are cool.
• 2:01:15
  Well, this is awkward. We need the Ron to come back in
• 2:01:17
  so we get in the show so we can upload audio and get everybody
• 2:01:20
  out of here. You know what, Todd?
• 2:01:22
  We're going to answer this last question while he's away.
• 2:01:25
  Absolutely. With so many subscription
• 2:01:28
  services, do you think we're heading towards streaming
• 2:01:31
  fatigue in gaming like TV and movies?
• 2:01:38
  I don't know. I feel like, I feel like it has
• 2:01:40
  been proven that this the the subscription model of Game Pass
• 2:01:47
  and PS plus is more of a supplement than a primary form
• 2:01:52
  of income for them. Fatigue.
• 2:01:57
  I don't know, I guess it depends.
• 2:01:58
  Especially like PlayStation owners, like I mean, obviously
• 2:02:01
  PC players don't have this problem, but unless I guess
• 2:02:05
  unless you're a Game Pass subscriber, but you know,
• 2:02:09
  PlayStation Plus, the base version only doesn't it doesn't
• 2:02:13
  have anything with it. It's just the cloud saves in
• 2:02:16
  like your free games every month.
• 2:02:18
  So. Also online, unfortunately,
• 2:02:20
  Corey, as I learned because I couldn't play split fiction.
• 2:02:24
  So it's a it does feel like it's an antiquated thing with having
• 2:02:29
  to have pay for online when Sony do it for free these days.
• 2:02:34
  So I would say at this point, yes, I felt very much fatigued.
• 2:02:37
  So I let my subscription run out until I could not play split
• 2:02:41
  fiction online with my friend Chris.
• 2:02:43
  So I had to resub, which sucks that just because I want to play
• 2:02:47
  a game together. I would say Game Pass great, but
• 2:02:52
  I would I would love it if they decoupled online with that.
• 2:02:55
  Just let's play the games and we could play them however you
• 2:02:58
  want. And the only thing I would think
• 2:03:00
  is unique is NSO is the game subscription service that I feel
• 2:03:06
  like online is the least important part.
• 2:03:07
  Not well done, but people want it because they want to play the
• 2:03:11
  games that are available on those platforms like NESSNES.
• 2:03:17
  And now if you get the expansion pack, you get the other
• 2:03:20
  platforms as well. So I feel like that has the
• 2:03:22
  value, especially as they include like DLC packs as part
• 2:03:26
  of the value. But yeah, I, I feel like people
• 2:03:29
  are getting just subscriber fatigue is real in regards to
• 2:03:35
  God, I got to keep up with all these things annually.
• 2:03:37
  And then PC, you don't really have that on PC and Game Pass.
• 2:03:41
  You just get the games you don't have to worry about.
• 2:03:43
  You know, you know, it is wild to me.
• 2:03:46
  How, how is it that, you know, like these like Nintendo,
• 2:03:50
  Microsoft and and Sony are like, are like, we have to charge, we
• 2:03:55
  have to charge you money to play online, whereas the PC is like
• 2:03:59
  whatever, you know, like I, I don't, I don't understand.
• 2:04:03
  Like Xbox, because they were the first one that yeah, Microsoft.
• 2:04:06
  Was Microsoft. Was.
• 2:04:07
  Online, Yeah. Yeah, Microsoft was the one that
• 2:04:10
  basically cracked open the floodgates on that one.
• 2:04:13
  But I mean, you know, like, it's just, it's just wild to me that,
• 2:04:16
  you know, somehow the somehow like the infrastructure for for
• 2:04:20
  those 3 platforms all came down to like, you have to pay for
• 2:04:25
  online for us to, for us to live.
• 2:04:26
  Yeah. Yeah, it's it's antiquated from
• 2:04:30
  AI mean 20 year old diatribe and it's a model that is financially
• 2:04:36
  motivated that keeps it that way versus actually is a consumer
• 2:04:42
  actually favorable focus. So yeah, I I realize this once
• 2:04:47
  again, an area in PC where they they actually are better than
• 2:04:51
  console. But at this point, if you're
• 2:04:53
  tied into the console experience, which I'm going to
• 2:04:55
  be less and less, it is what it is.
• 2:04:59
  Unfortunately, yeah, like I think, I think just like you, I
• 2:05:03
  reactivated my PlayStation Plus for all of one year just to do
• 2:05:07
  just to do it when the first year the PS-5 was out, I
• 2:05:10
  reactivated my PS Plus for that, you know, and then as soon as it
• 2:05:13
  as soon as it expire. Well, actually when like credits
• 2:05:15
  pulled over because like, you know, PlayStation, that
• 2:05:17
  grandfather, that grandfather plan for when they beef.
• 2:05:21
  Now and all those, yeah, it's like 3 years with now it's same
• 2:05:25
  thing that like when Corey, I assume you were in this part of
• 2:05:27
  this, maybe everybody was when basically became Xbox Game Pass
• 2:05:32
  Ultimate. You could convert what was it,
• 2:05:35
  360 or or Xbox Live and you'd get like 3 years.
• 2:05:39
  We all did that and now it's done.
• 2:05:41
  It's like, is that a value? So once my GPU runs out, I will
• 2:05:45
  go to Game Pass PC. That's good enough for me.
• 2:05:48
  Yeah, I on play on on place it. I don't know if it's the same as
• 2:05:53
  Xbox. I knew it wasn't at one point,
• 2:05:55
  but I don't know if they changed it or not.
• 2:05:57
  But the one thing about PlayStation is that free to play
• 2:05:59
  games don't require PlayStation Plus, so Destiny doesn't require
• 2:06:02
  it. Fortnite, Apex Legends, which is
• 2:06:07
  wild to me. But yeah, whatever.
• 2:06:10
  Anyways, all right, well, let's let's get out of here now that
• 2:06:14
  La Ron's back for the third time and.
• 2:06:16
  I was going to say La Ron, before we leave, it looks like
• 2:06:20
  there's multiple people in your house that may be serial
• 2:06:22
  killers, so watch out for them. Yeah.
• 2:06:28
  We just witness it live on the Internet it.
• 2:06:31
  Might be this is entertaining. So you know what, you know what,
• 2:06:35
  you know my home address. So please like do the right.
• 2:06:39
  Thing call the cops if you want, I don't.
• 2:06:41
  Know if it'll. Help.
• 2:06:42
  But you know, Ron, you can do that yourself as well.
• 2:06:45
  But you. Know we're not.
• 2:06:46
  Worried. We're not worried.
• 2:06:49
  Look, if he doesn't show up next weekend, then we know what
• 2:06:51
  happened. Anyways, I want to thank
• 2:06:57
  everybody out there for watching or listening to this episode of
• 2:06:59
  the Bosphorus Podcast. Remember, you can catch us every
• 2:07:00
  Wednesday on your podcast service of choice and on
• 2:07:02
  YouTube. You can support us on Patreon,
• 2:07:04
  patreon.com/bosphorus Network. You can check out our website at
• 2:07:08
  bosphorus.net. Todd, thank you for your time
• 2:07:10
  tonight. I would where where can people
• 2:07:16
  follow you to find out what your next endeavor is?
• 2:07:19
  Yes, that's a great point. For now, Your Friends Unite is
• 2:07:24
  where I'm putting out content this week.
• 2:07:26
  But going forward, if you want to follow me and see what I'm
• 2:07:29
  going to do next, it's going to be at Todd Oxtra on Blue Sky at
• 2:07:34
  T Oxtra on Instagram Threads and Facebook.
• 2:07:39
  And I will be doing something new, but it'll be there'll be
• 2:07:41
  something cool with video games and I will be continuing to do
• 2:07:44
  the fantasy football stuff with Waver Wire Wizards.
• 2:07:48
  So check it out. I'm still working on my website.
• 2:07:51
  All that fun stuff. The stuff I actually don't enjoy
• 2:07:53
  doing is building that stuff. But the one of the stuff I want
• 2:07:56
  to do is make cool stuff. So yeah, check that out.
• 2:07:59
  And I will say this, if you're a aspiring creator, want to do
• 2:08:03
  something cool but don't care about all the nonsense about
• 2:08:07
  finding a host and things like that, let me know.
• 2:08:10
  I want to help people make stuff happen.
• 2:08:14
  There you go. Well, Todd, we will also be
• 2:08:18
  helping you promote your stuff as well, trying to get it out
• 2:08:20
  there because you know, you've helped us so many times.
• 2:08:24
  It's, you know, it's, it's what friends do.
• 2:08:28
  Or, as Thor would say, what heroes do.
• 2:08:30
  Yeah, you guys the best. Lauren Corey, you guys the rest
• 2:08:34
  of the Secret Friends Unite or the, the, the, the, the Boss
• 2:08:36
  Rush community has been amazing. I'm glad I have you guys as
• 2:08:40
  friends. And that's been one of the best
• 2:08:42
  things about making podcasts is making friends.
• 2:08:45
  Just have a good time. Yes, Todd, I'm glad we've been
• 2:08:49
  friends for so long. I'm glad we've continued to be
• 2:08:51
  friends for no forever. At this point, the only.
• 2:08:56
  We don't even know where it started.
• 2:08:58
  Corey. I don't even know remember at
• 2:08:59
  this point where it's been so long he's all forgotten.
• 2:09:03
  The only person missing is Matthew Keel, so.
• 2:09:06
  And I talked to Matt tonight, so.
• 2:09:07
  I talked to him earlier today as well, so.
• 2:09:11
  Oh, I haven't talked. I haven't talked some today.
• 2:09:13
  I'm I'm feeling kind. Well, he doesn't.
• 2:09:15
  Like you, La Ron, he only likes that.
• 2:09:16
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 2:09:18
  I heard you like too much like music that he doesn't like and
• 2:09:21
  that's that's Matt's like death symbol is music.
• 2:09:24
  So yeah, well, yeah, it is for sure, yeah.
• 2:09:27
  You're you're a Steely Dan fan, apparently.
• 2:09:29
  That's not good. That's not, I mean, sorry, side
• 2:09:35
  tangent, Todd, I don't remember if you were.
• 2:09:36
  I don't remember if you remember this podcast, the Nerds Gone
• 2:09:39
  Rogue episode where like you and him went back and forth about
• 2:09:42
  Steely Dan for like, Oh yeah, 40 minutes.
• 2:09:44
  Oh my God. Too long, too long, too long.
• 2:09:47
  And by the way, fun fact, I was just at a yacht rock concert in
• 2:09:51
  Chakapee where I live. It was fun.
• 2:09:53
  They did play Steely Dan and I did not puke.
• 2:09:56
  Don't. Anyways, everybody out there,
• 2:10:01
  thank you so much for watching and are listening.
• 2:10:04
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• 2:10:17
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