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Fortnite Coming To Solana?🚨Shaga Cloud Gaming🔥CEO INTERVIEW · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: Today we'll be diving into cloud gaming and how this
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  Speaker 1: may affect crypto. Obviously, Solana is a big part of this.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get.
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  Speaker 1: Into a couple of points I want to move into,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to start with this post before we
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  Speaker 1: bring on our guest today, and this is Tim Sweeney
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  Speaker 1: and as you guys know, the Apple. We did a
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  Speaker 1: whole video on this last week, so Apple is in
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a turmoil now as to how gaming
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  Speaker 1: may start to explode within the Apple ecosystem. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring on our guest today and that is Guido Pardini,
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  Speaker 1: who is the founder and CEO of Shaga. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about them before. Guido, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so for having the aple. I'm great ill
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  Speaker 2: with you. Excellent, excellent.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot happening in terms of mobile gaming, especially
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  Speaker 1: when you think about cloud gaming and what you guys
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  Speaker 1: are doing. For sure, when you look at the size
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  Speaker 1: of this market, and obviously you see Tim Sweeney there
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  Speaker 1: pretty much one of the titans in gaming over at Epic,
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  Speaker 1: what is your thought of how big this could be?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty big if you look at like many estimates, like
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  Speaker 3: they say around twenty thirty, the market should be a
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  Speaker 3: work between like you know, eighty two, one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: twenty billions. Like the thing is that it's always been
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  Speaker 3: a dream to like, you know, game on a screen
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  Speaker 3: over in your internet connection completely like outsourcing the computer
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  Speaker 3: to like beneather the cloud, like whatever that is that
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  Speaker 3: is out there. And yeah, I think like the thing
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  Speaker 3: that you showed before, like I believe that is a
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  Speaker 3: deepsick moment for like the marketplaces, like you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: the fee anymore on the Apple Store. I mean, think
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  Speaker 3: about what is going on right now in crypto with
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  Speaker 3: stable coins, lightning fast payments. You can just direct a
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  Speaker 3: link like outside of the up and just make the
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  Speaker 3: purchase going through, and you save the fees on the
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  Speaker 3: visa and the MasterCard, and on top of that you
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  Speaker 3: also say the fees on the store, Like, yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: thing is gonna takefully could dramatically well.
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  Speaker 1: And you have to look at the size of gaming
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  Speaker 1: in general. I mean you're talking about billions of players
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  Speaker 1: and the potential to really kind of expand, especially from
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  Speaker 1: a cloud side of things. And we'll talk about that,
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  Speaker 1: but before I go there, Xbox, of course, Microsoft had
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a faux pas, and they're talking
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  Speaker 1: about here in this particular post that the cloud gaming
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  Speaker 1: not well done on Fortnite, so gameplay looks awful. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the servers don't even work. There's there are some architectural
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  Speaker 1: problems behind this that I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were not aware of and now are starting to see
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  Speaker 1: that now. I know you guys are doing it quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit differently, But when you look at the potential
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  Speaker 1: of cloud gaming and what Shaga is doing, I'm logged
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  Speaker 1: into my account over here on Shaga. Explain to me
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  Speaker 1: how the technology can work so much better for cloud
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  Speaker 1: gaming via Shaga than what we've seen in traditional gaming platforms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty simple.
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  Speaker 3: Like in this physical union which we all live in
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  Speaker 3: through like, there's a fundamental limitation and that is the
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  Speaker 3: speed of light. When you are doing cloud gaming, Like
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  Speaker 3: you're gaming at a distance, so the information still needs
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  Speaker 3: to travel over the Internet. Now, if you're gaming on
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  Speaker 3: a data center that is quite far from the city center,
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  Speaker 3: it could be like one hundred kilometers or fress miles
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  Speaker 3: if you're far away, Like you know, the lights needs
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  Speaker 3: to travel, and it's not that the data center has
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  Speaker 3: a direct fiber connection with every single home. So what
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  Speaker 3: usually happens is that the data center sends these packets,
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  Speaker 3: and they are like walking through a very ramified the
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  Speaker 3: path of connections where the router just like move the
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  Speaker 3: data around and it arrives ultimately in your house. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the thing about Shank is that the only way to
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  Speaker 3: solve latency is through proximity. So if you are playing
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  Speaker 3: from your neighbor's house, like in your city, obviously the
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  Speaker 3: number of hops are going to be lower than if
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  Speaker 3: you're playing from a data centers.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the core thing there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at your data centers here on the map.
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  Speaker 1: You can kind of see some of them right here,
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  Speaker 1: spattered across the United States central West coast, three on
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  Speaker 1: the East coast. Right here, we're down here in Miami.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see a data center there, but I see
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  Speaker 1: one in the down in the Caribbean. So what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying is is that if you can start to populate
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  Speaker 1: more data centers nodes in a certain aspect of things,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to increase the potential of cloud gaming.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys can scale that versus say someone like a Microsoft.
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  Speaker 3: The environment in which we are right now is that
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  Speaker 3: there is all the hype and the phone into energy
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  Speaker 3: and nuclear powered data centers. So there's very likely going
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  Speaker 3: to be a split between like the big huge data
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  Speaker 3: centers for the AI goals or like whatever these guys
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  Speaker 3: are doing, and then something that is very close to
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  Speaker 3: the city, because I can imagine that the majority of
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  Speaker 3: the population doesn't want a nuclear reactor close to the city,
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  Speaker 3: like they want it a bit farther apart. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 3: the thing that we're doing with Shaga is that we're
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  Speaker 3: enabling you to just become the cloud where they have
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  Speaker 3: an Internet connection in their home and they can simply
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  Speaker 3: become a provider where they become the data center.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like so I'm European and Italian, and I know that
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  Speaker 3: in those places there's been some mismanagement and now we
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  Speaker 3: have very nigh electricity prices. So Shaga is like, it's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be super profitable in a place in
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  Speaker 3: Europe because ultimately the gamer needs to pay at least
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  Speaker 3: some amount for you to be worthy to keep your
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  Speaker 3: PC on, because if you are earning less than your
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  Speaker 3: spending with.
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  Speaker 2: The electricity, like you're just gonna turn that off.
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  Speaker 3: So in terms of node numbers, like you know, we
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  Speaker 3: launched in March and we actually got a campaign going
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  Speaker 3: right now and we have around around two thousand, know's
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  Speaker 3: like eighteen hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Teen hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 3: We have around the four point fifty seven petaflops in
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  Speaker 3: the network. The total energy consumption is around forty three
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  Speaker 3: thirty six like kilobat, and the total bendwidth at the
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  Speaker 3: moment is something around fifteen point twenty seven vigabit per second.
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  Speaker 2: So we are we're.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like aggregating all the specs because ultimately, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: the real thruit is that the majority of compute power
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  Speaker 3: in the ends of civilians is in gaining PCs. That's
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  Speaker 3: where like if you think about edge AI, if you
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  Speaker 3: think about like where is the computer going to come
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  Speaker 3: from with a very low latency, it's right now.
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  Speaker 2: Pecs for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at one of the tweets that was on
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  Speaker 1: here on play on Chaga, and this goes back to
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  Speaker 1: the GP the GPU model.
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  Speaker 3: You know this, This is a very very old the
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  Speaker 3: TROVAC poll like a right, you dig the love.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me when you look at the cost for
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  Speaker 1: gamers to be able to access a note that's out
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  Speaker 1: there serving up a mobile cloud gaming platform, where do
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  Speaker 1: you think is going to be the sweet spot for
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  Speaker 1: cost you know, in terms of gamers to pay for access.
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  Speaker 3: The baseline is going to be driven by economics, so
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  Speaker 3: like it's not going to go lower the elecricity costs.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is, many different pieces have different power consumptions,
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  Speaker 3: Like if you have a forty ninety, if you have
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  Speaker 3: an Intel I nine like that, that that drinks all power.
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  Speaker 3: If you have something that is lightweight, then you can
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  Speaker 3: run it and spend less money. So the gamer if
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  Speaker 3: they want to play four K resolution one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: twenty fps, they need to chunky machine, So that's going
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  Speaker 3: to cost a bit more. If you are playing something
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  Speaker 3: at an ADPE six differents per second, like, you're obviously
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  Speaker 3: not going to spend the like that much. So there's
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  Speaker 3: actually a tiering of different pieces that you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: very similar to how Jeffer Snow and the like and
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  Speaker 3: media Jefferson Now and Xbox Cloud, like they are picing
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  Speaker 3: things like if you want premium quality, then you know
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  Speaker 3: you're going to spend a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: You look at the big Landslide decision coming out of
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  Speaker 1: the courts last week against Apple, Uh, clearly that's going
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  Speaker 1: to change the whole framework. We've talked to the Star
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  Speaker 1: Atlas team before. I know Star Autlis now of course
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  Speaker 1: in partnership with you guys on a strategic investment. But
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  Speaker 1: the other thing that you know a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: Star Outlass has kind of really identified, is that for
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  Speaker 1: web three gaming to really excel, obviously, the Apple ecosystem
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  Speaker 1: is going to have to change.
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  Speaker 2: Now it has. Do you think that's going to open
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  Speaker 2: it up wide open?
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  Speaker 1: I mean Tim Sweeney's kind of alluding to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to see a completely different ecosystem and
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  Speaker 1: potential for gaming.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what are your things?
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  Speaker 3: We definitely see that the opportunity is opening up now.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is, like, you cannot force the market. The
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  Speaker 3: beautiful thing about America and freedom is that you win
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  Speaker 3: in the market if the consumer chooses you. Now, why
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  Speaker 3: why did the web tree gaming like not succeed and
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  Speaker 3: why is there a cryptophobic approach in the gaming community.
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  Speaker 3: It's because so far it's been a sh shoe like
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  Speaker 3: let's let's be real, like you you don't convinced gamers
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  Speaker 3: to join your thing by giving them lowthier projects that
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  Speaker 3: are not fun and they require payment up fronts. If
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  Speaker 3: you obstruct away the term like web tree, and you
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  Speaker 3: just think about like you know, payments, micro transactions, there's
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  Speaker 3: all there's all of micro transactions. In Formaite is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest example of micro transaction and games. I think ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: like even Fortnite my might silently move to a blockchain
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  Speaker 3: because think about how much might they could make if
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  Speaker 3: they simply didn't process with the credit cards. But just
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  Speaker 3: so wanna like that's pretty huge, So that I think
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  Speaker 3: that the incentives are aligned for you know, a revoo
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  Speaker 3: showing the way that we market these things like no
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  Speaker 3: longer web tree, you know, you no longer have to
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  Speaker 3: sell like you know, the very jargone off cryptos very
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  Speaker 3: it's going to become Yeah, it's going to become like
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  Speaker 3: it's cheap, it's fast, it's good, you save money, you
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  Speaker 3: get stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the Shaga device Odyssey and showing
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  Speaker 1: this on screen just to kind of showcase this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be designed for both handheld use but also
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  Speaker 1: could be adapted to where it could function with a
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  Speaker 1: mobile device as well. What are your thoughts, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what's what's kind of the potential of what this is
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  Speaker 1: going to enable for gaming in the future.
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  Speaker 3: So the reason why we came up with this thing was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, early in February twenty twenty four, I had
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  Speaker 3: this moment where I was like, we're supposed to bring
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  Speaker 3: very computationally expensive games on everywhere, and how are you
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  Speaker 3: going to play some of us on a television? Because
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  Speaker 2: I know in the.
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  Speaker 3: Interro you share like some self custody wallets, so you
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  Speaker 3: cannot like, I'm a bit of a cryptonative guy, so
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  Speaker 3: I really value self custody. You get the compute fan
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  Speaker 3: the edge, like you get gaining delivered to you from
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  Speaker 3: Chaga notes, and you have this gaining device which can
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  Speaker 3: be used with any screen because it falls into like
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  Speaker 3: this when or you can use it on a phone
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  Speaker 3: or a small tablet where you put like the screen
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  Speaker 3: in the middle. And the amazing thing is that you
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  Speaker 3: go from like evving your assets, having like ownership of
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  Speaker 3: your games in the Epic game servers or in the
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  Speaker 3: Steam or steamwork servers. Yeah, and you always bring it
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  Speaker 3: to you with you. So like let's say you might
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  Speaker 3: you're migrating and you're in like an hotel room, you
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  Speaker 3: bring your Odyssey with you. You have your entire library
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  Speaker 3: and if hopefully there is coverage in your area, which
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  Speaker 3: we were targeting, like the major stitties in the world.
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  Speaker 3: If you're playing in the desert, like you know, that's story,
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  Speaker 3: Like it's not magic, but yeah, like the autist is
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  Speaker 3: meant to bring your library with you, like you can
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  Speaker 3: share it and use it on the goal.
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  Speaker 1: You look at what swe has been able to do
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  Speaker 1: with sweet Play. They're claiming now that the ten thousand
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  Speaker 1: pre orders that are already in place are going to
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  Speaker 1: be out there by September. If you think about that
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  Speaker 1: and you look at in general both the you kind
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  Speaker 1: of mentioned TVs in general, but also with just what's
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  Speaker 1: happening with sweet Play, do you think this will have
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  Speaker 1: the kind of effect especially for cloud gaming. Well, this
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  Speaker 1: because this could be the very first device that truly
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  Speaker 1: is a cloud gaming device.
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  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts, askingate Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Where we are evolving is you don't need like the
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  Speaker 3: generation anymore. Like the console is the screen itself, like
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  Speaker 3: the game, the content is being delivered over the internet
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  Speaker 3: the cloud. You just need some interface to send the controls.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't imagine like maybe in the
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  Speaker 3: future we have like rings that you can do like
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  Speaker 3: stuff like this instead of instead of a joypad or
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  Speaker 3: a game pod. But ultimately the next generation is definitely
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  Speaker 3: like content that is streamed over the internet. Like the
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  Speaker 3: thing with like with crypto, with distributed systems that we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing is that the fiber connection that is being built
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  Speaker 3: up like over the world is only going to intensify,
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  Speaker 3: Like we're only going to get more and more connected,
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  Speaker 3: and you can you're going to be able to stream
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  Speaker 3: this content over these uh eater like cables.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you know when when you look
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  Speaker 1: at devices like the Sweet Play, you look at the
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  Speaker 1: Salona Seeker, the air drop component, obviously you guys are
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  Speaker 1: know are going to be doing an air drop as well. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's in your roadmap here coming soon. I'm assuming we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about roadmap in a second. But in general, that
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  Speaker 1: really creates a value proposition because it's something that we
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  Speaker 1: have not seen on the Nintendo Switch. It's not something
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  Speaker 1: we've seen on the consoles out there, the traditional gaming consoles.
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  Speaker 1: So this could really change the dynamic of gaming in general.
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  Speaker 1: And the more that I see the potential of regulation
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  Speaker 1: being loosened up, especially now we're starting to see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the situation obviously with Apple starting to loosen up. The
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  Speaker 1: opportunity here could be pretty significant. For instance, with Shaga,
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  Speaker 1: will you be will you guys be doing a Q
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  Speaker 1: two token air drop for an on Shaga?
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  Speaker 2: Is that going to happen? Harry, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: I can see for Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm looking at your roadmap here. Okay, so it
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  Speaker 1: says air drop and token generation events.
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  Speaker 2: So what's up here? Give me some.
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  Speaker 3: Sight here, so we'll just confirm this that is on the.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, what we can say is that Seeker
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  Speaker 1: is going to be coming out here pretty soon. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be dropping. I anticipate they're
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  Speaker 1: going to drop this at the event in New York
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  Speaker 1: this month there it is early May. Solana Accelerates happening
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  Speaker 1: in NYC. My anticipation is a Seeker is going to
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  Speaker 1: be delivered at that event. What about Shaga integrations with
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  Speaker 1: the Seeker, Are you guys planning anything?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like actually probably Shaga is lying on the
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  Speaker 3: Saga dup store, like the you know, for the generation
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  Speaker 3: one right, So yeah, I mean, at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, it's very compatible with Android.
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  Speaker 2: So Shaga is available on iOS, on the.
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  Speaker 3: Apple Store, and on the place store, So bringing in
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  Speaker 3: on the dup store was was very easy.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I see a very bright future there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a lot of cool things I think
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  Speaker 1: that are brewing here for the future of cloud gaming.
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  Speaker 1: One last question to you, Guido, It's a hard one.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say is currently the best gaming blockchain?
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  Speaker 3: You know that's interesting, like common, I think that the
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  Speaker 3: approach that Avalanche is taken is interesting, but I think
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  Speaker 3: that ultimately, uh, there's this project on Suana is called
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  Speaker 3: Magic block. What they're doing is very interesting and keeping
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  Speaker 3: the composibility like intact with Sowanna, and the possibility that
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  Speaker 3: this enables is you are going to end up having
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  Speaker 3: these up nodes where like what matters is that the
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  Speaker 3: history in time is cryptographically very viable. So let's say
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  Speaker 3: for a game like you know, maybe there is a
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  Speaker 3: match or something. You know in col of Duty, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of lobbies. If you get hacked, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of hackers that you know, inject some malicious
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  Speaker 3: code and they modify state and whatever. If you have
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: a multiply your server that is using these unchained gaining
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: the thing that it makes possible is that the state
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: transitions in the game like they become cryptographically verifiable, computational
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: integrity is preserved on that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so magic, but yes, I know what you're talking about,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: but it's it's very new to the Salona ecosystem in general.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: You look at Avalanche, they're very very far along obviously
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: with Off the Grid. Most likely that could be one
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of the key games that does start to get crypto
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: integration because it's going to have a player base. So Avalanche,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, within it, and then you got
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a sweet over here running a new handheld. So I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: still kind of on the fence about which game chain,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: which game chain is going to be the gaming chain overall.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So you're saying Solana is the one.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that's you know, Ron, what we're talked about
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  Speaker 3: before about the consumer chasing, choosing the experience, not chasing
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: by the name brand Like for the consumer, like this
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: is just a name that we give to a database,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the cheapest solution for the game developer will be the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: one that gets adopted. And the game developer, at least
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: outside of the crypt to Twitter babble, it's not going
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to brand to their gamers like hey we're.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Using this, we're using that, because yeah, if you go
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: on Steam, like they say, I don't care like this
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: is a game.
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  Speaker 1: Factly, the ecosystem itself is you know, it's part of it, yes,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: but I think to your point, it's the adoption curve
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in gaming that will take off and you never know
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: which game is going to start to fly and or
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: which ecosystem starts to move. So, hey, Guido, it's been
• 19:39
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