Latest / Be It Till You See It / 606. The Truth About Gender Bias at Work

Transcript

606. The Truth About Gender Bias at Work · Be It Till You See It

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Fakia Friday.
• 0:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fakia!
• 0:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get ready for some wins!
• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Beat till you see it podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also Logan, Ply's instructor, and fit this business coach.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've trained thousands of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: My friends, action brings clarity.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it's the antidote to fear.
• 0:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Each week my guess will bring bold, executable, intrinsic, and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a practice, not a perfect, let's get started.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Happy to be.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you?
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost there.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost to the holiday and then the chaos and I'm going to go on winter tour.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost there.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not there yet.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got an extra week before that.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: One holiday comes up and I think that's great.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't live in the States and you are just doing great.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, see if I have episode.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is where it's short sweet.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've sent a question as well, and so there's on the recap, those up and on Thursdays.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you've just happened on Tuesdays, I'm fucking love in the interviews that are coming up.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a really great one coming up that's going to lead into our Habit series.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, hope you're subscribed to the channel, if you've never missed an episode from us.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this was an interesting thing.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it inspired me or pissed me off, so we're gonna remind ourselves together.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it says, around 76% of high-performing and women reportedly receive negative feedback from their managers compared to just 2% of high-performing men.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, this one pissed me off.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: This comes from data collected from 23,000 employees across 250 organizations, by the way.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So not a small, not a small thing.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why is this happening?
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unconscious bias leads managers, male or female, to typically evaluate women during performance reviews on their personality rather than the work they contribute.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are they easy to work with?
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do they go along with everyone?
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are they likable or collaborative?
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: because then I just want to be fucking pissed off, right?
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So no one's asking if a guy is likable, which by the way, often they smell or things like that.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one's asking.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are the value on the work they do.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's always been this way.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we have to figure out how to change this.
• 2:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it comes from raising girls to be quiet, stop doing that.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to raise them to brag, you know?
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we need to raise, like we need to raise them.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: not to be like, oh, you know, make sure you're kind of, no, tell people how you feel.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's important.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is an interesting thing.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how we solve this problem.
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you are a leader who gives reviews, maybe make sure that if you're calling women that their personality has some issues, make sure you do it with men too.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or don't do it with either of them, right?
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: These areas of feedback don't necessarily touch on women's performance, which hurts both the employee and the employer.
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: the employee remember is a high performer.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to be looking for concrete ways to grow and progress in her career.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: If she's receiving feedback on how nice she is, well, she might not so she might start looking for a work elsewhere.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Managers keep it constructive and hold on to top talent.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is so true.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you've got this high-achieving women working for you, but you're busy working on things that they need to change about themselves, they're going to go somewhere else who wants them, right?
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're also not helping them better themselves for the work that they're doing
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I love it.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to consider the expectations on women because they are doing so much.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to shit on the men because like there's some really great men out there, but I do think that we are missing out on some good stuff and we're not treating people in a way that allows everybody to win.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a way like that there's no pie, right?
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to do performance reviews around like ability that I do for everybody.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're just going to do it on performance, you had to do it for everybody.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't have that bias.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you do have that bias, it's probably a good time to get that checked out.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you need to change your review process.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's happening to you at your review process, get inspired by these other ways and find work somewhere else, where you can be challenged because you're fucking amazing.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And start celebrating your wins in front of them.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That might help them.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes it's really easy to go, oh, you know, like to downplay the things that you did.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start bragging about you guys.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have Charlotte Coker.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said, I finally launched my website after several months of working on it little by little.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very proud of myself for doing something so outside my comfort zone.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: My home studio feels like it's really rocking and rolling.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Charlotte.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is really rocking and rolling.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are doing a lot.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know like it's really easy to go on my gosh I expect to be done by now, but like little by little.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the thing is is you actually Nothing happens overnight like websites especially they take time so I'm super proud of you I think you're doing great work and I am so excited that you are kicking off your home studio before it is even ready
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is being it till you see it full and on and so way to go.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for sharing that with us.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys need to share your wins at beapod.com.
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So questions.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: My win.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you've been this as podcasts for a long time, you know, I've been on a hobby hunt.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I have found my hobby and it's not going to be my nails done.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am so excited.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had guests come on to talk about terror and I was so obsessed with her and she sent me a deck.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not really sure if for episodes out yet or not.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll say more information on that later.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But ever since then, then I found this book that helps me study terror and I can do it with writing.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then I found another book that's a little bit different.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The same, they all have the same things, but in a different way, which helps me to repeat what I'm learning.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I found an app, it's like the duo link, they call the duo lingo for terror.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to reach out and say if they want to do ads, because I'm kind of obsessed with it.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every single day, I...
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do this and it's not easy, right?
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's definitely something I feel like I'm gonna have a better grasp on the more I practice out loud.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of one of the ways I have to like read out loud and do it out loud.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But at any rate, I'm super excited because I was a little like, should I call it a hobby?
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've only been playing it.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But now we're like four months.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I do it daily and I really love it.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it is a great way for me as a person who's like, I want to turn, well, I want to have some more self-reflection time.
• 6:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It helps me have some self-reflection.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't wait for you to hear the episode because you're in here someone who's never done to tear out like interview this person.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now you'll know I'm like a hobbyist right now.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying I'm going to do readings for people, just maybe for myself, but I am just like feeling really excited that I think I have a hobby that I like want to stick with.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have been trying to find a hobby for years, and I'm feeling joy around it, and that's my win.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's yours?
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stand it into the pot.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here is your affirmation for the weekend.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I deserve information, and I deserve moments of silence, too.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I deserve information, and I deserve moments of silence, too.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I deserve information, and I deserve moments of silence, too.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys, as an impurevert who likes people, I love my moments of silence.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: As much as I love seeing you and getting your information.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that affirmation really feels like it's very representative.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, be it TAC yet.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I got for this episode of The Beat Tell You See A Podcast.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at The Beat Pot on Instagram.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to know more about you.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Help us and others be a tell you see it.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have an awesome day.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be it till you see it is a production of the blue pod cast network.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at plus one and three one oh nine oh five five three four or send a DM on Instagram at be it pod.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Leslie Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is transcribed, produced, and edited by the epic team at disenio.co.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our theme music is by L.E.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: at Apex production music and our branding by designer and artist John Franco Chilfe.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And finally, the Meredith route for keeping us all on point and on time.