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REPLAY FROM SEASON 3 | LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH SHANETTE W JOHNSON | 1ST & 3RD MONDAY LIVE ON DA CREW PODCAST...... · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Don jumping.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody coming road, don't then.
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  Speaker 3: No pass to the village of then the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Say away Friday, lukkk.
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  Speaker 4: Legs and gentlemen, may I have your attention please? The
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  Speaker 4: show starts in tenne eight seven six five four. You shooting.
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  Speaker 5: Cool.
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  Speaker 6: I am so sorry about that. I didn't realize I
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  Speaker 6: was milted melted. But welcome to let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 6: I am your host at Johnson. I am happy to
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  Speaker 6: be back. This is my second season on the Crew podcast,
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  Speaker 6: and the first season I was working through it. I
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  Speaker 6: had to work through my jitters. On to night, me
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  Speaker 6: and Cornell will be going taking a look inside of TDCJ,
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  Speaker 6: which is Texas. We're gonna go inside of there. We've
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  Speaker 6: been getting quite a few feet complaints and stuff about
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  Speaker 6: what's going on inside of the prison system over there
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  Speaker 6: in Texas. But until Cornell call and oh and we
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  Speaker 6: also also mister Legate will be joining us as well,
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  Speaker 6: because he has some things that he had to talk
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  Speaker 6: about about what's going on where he's at. He's also
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  Speaker 6: in the state of Texas. And I believe I have
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  Speaker 6: one more guest that's going to join me on tonight,
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  Speaker 6: mister young mister with sixteen when he did his committed
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  Speaker 6: his crime, and he has served over forty years inside
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  Speaker 6: of Texas State Prison. He's also going to be joining
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  Speaker 6: me on this evening, but once again, but until they
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  Speaker 6: give me a call, because we all know how the
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  Speaker 6: phone systems work in there. Sometimes they can get a
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  Speaker 6: call out, sometimes they jam the phones. Sometimes it's just
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  Speaker 6: it's just hard to get in touch with you get
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  Speaker 6: in touch with us. But let me tell you about
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  Speaker 6: my weekend. So as everyone knows, my husband is currently
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  Speaker 6: incarcerated wrongfully in Denver, Colorado. I had the I was
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  Speaker 6: able to fly out on Thursday morning for a special
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  Speaker 6: visit to see him. And when I got there, when
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  Speaker 6: I walked off that plane, I couldn't believe it, it
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  Speaker 6: was six degrees six degrees. It felt like I was
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  Speaker 6: insight of a freezer. But once I got able to
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  Speaker 6: got to the prison where I was able to see him,
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  Speaker 6: I felt so much better, you know, just to see
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  Speaker 6: the smile on his face and it just warmed me up.
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  Speaker 6: I was able to visit him Friday, Saturday, and Sunday,
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  Speaker 6: so as long as I was in town, I was
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  Speaker 6: able to go and visit him. Yesterday was a little
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  Speaker 6: hard for the both of us. When it was time
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  Speaker 6: to leave. Usually we look back at each other because
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  Speaker 6: we know I was coming back the next day. But yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: he when he walked out, he just he didn't look back.
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  Speaker 6: So that was a little hard, but it was it
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  Speaker 6: was enjoyable, enjoyable just to sit there and talk to
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  Speaker 6: him and talk to the other guys that was there.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, just to see them interact with their family
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  Speaker 6: because some of them, by them being like probably about
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  Speaker 6: two hours away from their family, they don't get the visits.
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  Speaker 6: And by me being in californ you know, it all
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  Speaker 6: depends on when I'll give vacation time to go over
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  Speaker 6: and visit while but I keep we stay on the
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  Speaker 6: phone all day and constantly talk, just keep in touch
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  Speaker 6: with each other. Then this morning I flew back in
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  Speaker 6: and so now I'm at home and I'm here with
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  Speaker 6: you guys, just sitting up here, just waiting to call.
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  Speaker 6: and got the conversation.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hello Cordell, Hello, ma'am, how are you doing tonight?
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  Speaker 6: I am doing good. I was just sitting up here
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  Speaker 6: for the last six minutes just mbling on and I
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  Speaker 6: know everybody was waiting to hear from Cornell. So how
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  Speaker 6: have you been doing, Cornell, ma'am?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great tonight them and I'm alive, and thank god,
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  Speaker 1: I'm way yeade, ma'am, And tonight I like the beautiful man.
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  Speaker 6: And you and I'm doing one wonderful as you. I
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  Speaker 6: was just telling them. I just flew back in from
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  Speaker 6: Denver from seeing Juan, so I am back and I'm
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  Speaker 6: ready to get you know, let's get this work that
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  Speaker 6: keep keep continuously being a voice for the ones that
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  Speaker 6: doesn't have a voice. We was waiting on mister Legate
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  Speaker 6: to come in, but mister Legate haven't called yet. I
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  Speaker 6: know that when I talked to mister Legate last week,
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  Speaker 6: he was telling me that a situation was going on
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  Speaker 6: over there where he's at, where the the CEOs is
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  Speaker 6: really not doing their jobs. That since there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of drugs coming in there and that the men's is
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  Speaker 6: caught with drugs, they expect for the other inmates to
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  Speaker 6: discipline them.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So he been over there dealing with that. They've
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  Speaker 6: basically been on lockdown, and and he wanted to come
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  Speaker 6: on and he wanted to share about, you know, what
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  Speaker 6: was going on over there where he's at. But I
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  Speaker 6: just wanted to go ahead. Let me go ahead and
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  Speaker 6: just read this right quick. Texas have over one hundred
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  Speaker 6: and four prisons, that's including state, federal, private, and juvenile facilities.
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  Speaker 6: Texas is the largest runs the largest prison system, second
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  Speaker 6: it to California. So California is you know, California and
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  Speaker 6: Texas is running neck and neck. They also Texas also
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  Speaker 6: house one hundred and thirty four thousand and sixty six
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  Speaker 6: sixty six prisoners at their facilities and California house more.
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  Speaker 6: So those are the two top states that have more prisons,
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  Speaker 6: and they also house more offenders. Let's see, Texas have
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  Speaker 6: eighteen federal prisons and let me see, and they have
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  Speaker 6: they employed thirty six thousand. They have thirty six thousand
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  Speaker 6: employees running their facilities. But right now, me and Cortnell,
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  Speaker 6: we're gonna bring you up to bring you guys up
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  Speaker 6: to date, because, as you guys know it, Cornell had
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  Speaker 6: made parole and we're just waiting for Cornell to them
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  Speaker 6: doors to open up for him, but they have transferred
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  Speaker 6: him to demingus unit. So I'm gonna let Cortnell go
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  Speaker 6: ahead and fill you guys in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, s'am, thanks you very much. Yess'am. I have
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  Speaker 1: abol and I have to trumsfer to the division. Guess
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  Speaker 1: they facility that they call this a rehabilitation program. And
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  Speaker 1: just being here, you're gonna have learned a lot about
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  Speaker 1: you know, being ready back society, even though it's not
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  Speaker 1: the best program in the world. Steal some new information
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  Speaker 1: to learn, now, okay, And like I said, since been
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  Speaker 1: here from what I have already been the Negatives, which
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  Speaker 1: is the true podcast, and let's talk about it and
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  Speaker 1: the platform that you guys have. You know, I have
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  Speaker 1: been a positives who wants.
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  Speaker 5: Over here with you guys, and they guys love me, okay,
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  Speaker 5: and they respect me for who I am because you know,
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  Speaker 5: like you say, we know.
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  Speaker 1: Avocates for criminal justice reforming.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that we speak on behalf of everybody.
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  Speaker 1: So you know they love me over here. So with
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  Speaker 1: that being said, ma'am, I'm doing all right. Uh, yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: So tonight's still basically we're gonna be talking about we
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  Speaker 1: were as versus a still Federals class action civil lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: that transformed the prism uh Letiedition Reforms uh uh, the
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  Speaker 1: Texas Reform Legations Act Okay. And basically, as he was
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  Speaker 1: just identifying, ma'am, the number.
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  Speaker 3: Of prisons that we have to see was out the
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  Speaker 3: number of.
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  Speaker 1: Prisons we started out with, right, okay. And Texas started
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  Speaker 1: out with twelve prison systems from nineteen seventy six up
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  Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy nine or seventy eight okay, and then
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  Speaker 1: they went on to include a couple more.
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  Speaker 3: Part of facilities Okay.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one ninety two they came in to
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  Speaker 1: start build up prison and this spot they now have
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  Speaker 1: a number of prisons just have identified it now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: But tonight it showed basically not to say, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be talking about you red versus sales stipulation case and
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  Speaker 1: uh and your opinion.
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  Speaker 4: Madam.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have anything any questions you may want to
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  Speaker 1: ask about it before I get started?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I just wanted to know basically, you gave me
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  Speaker 6: a little brief. Then we talked a little bit about it.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I couldn't. I really didn't read the the
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  Speaker 6: the case because I had mid turns and I did
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  Speaker 6: pass my mid terms. I did pass my mid turn
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  Speaker 6: so we got that out the way and then by
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  Speaker 6: me flying to Denver, so I wasn't really I didn't
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  Speaker 6: really put the work in to read the case. And
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  Speaker 6: then I had, you know, other the men's was calling
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  Speaker 6: me check it in and you know, letting me know
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  Speaker 6: what was going on with them.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, just.
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  Speaker 6: Right, just let us know about the about the case.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when I come to prison nineteen seventy eight, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy when we came to put my prison system was
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  Speaker 1: basically at the lord that you could get the system.
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  Speaker 1: My prison conditions was the all for the most degreat
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  Speaker 1: uh conditions that anybody could live in. And back we
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  Speaker 1: had you know, American City if they's unions and different
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  Speaker 1: organizations being allowed to come in and check on innates and.
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  Speaker 7: You know, stuff like that to see what the prisoner
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  Speaker 7: was like.
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  Speaker 1: But still a lot of things are not being you know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: our medical departments, they were basically not running to the
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  Speaker 1: capacity that they needed to provide people with the proper
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  Speaker 1: medical care commedia Okay. Inmates were saying the highest rate
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  Speaker 1: that event because of team related incidents and you know,
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  Speaker 1: not forgiven proper medical assistance, and you know, individ was
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  Speaker 1: being shot up different types of medications that were not
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  Speaker 1: suitable for them and they were dying from that. And
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  Speaker 1: then not only that back then was like you know,
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  Speaker 1: because of over crowding. Process was saying there was three
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  Speaker 1: inmates told sales okay, and when three inmates to sale,
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  Speaker 1: they were so overcrowded back then that in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 1: two were in all of clarisisfaction lawsuits about the condition.
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  Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on, Cornell, We got we we got
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  Speaker 6: a visitor just stepped in. Our our good friend, mister
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  Speaker 6: James Legate has joined us. Okay, mister Legate.
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  Speaker 7: Forgive Hello, Hello, Hello, forgiving her coming party. But I
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  Speaker 7: didn't have a call to this pone. It's not recognizing
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  Speaker 7: my voice forever.
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  Speaker 6: Reason, you know what, mister Legate, That's okay. Cornell's told
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  Speaker 6: me that yesterday when he did. I believe it was yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: I talked to Cornell. He said that it wasn't the
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  Speaker 6: phone wasn't recognizing his voice as well. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: I did explain to our listeners that you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 6: it's hard for you guys to get through to us.
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  Speaker 6: But that's okay. We're still going to push it. We're
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  Speaker 6: gonna still make it, go through it. And I gave
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  Speaker 6: him a little background of what was going on with
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  Speaker 6: over there were the facility that you located, and Cornell
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  Speaker 6: was giving us a little background on the case. So
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  Speaker 6: now we all caught up.
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  Speaker 7: And so.
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  Speaker 6: Again, mister Legate, I'm gonna go ahead and you introduce
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  Speaker 6: yourself and then we're gonna jump right back into the case.
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  Speaker 7: Hello, okay, thank you forget me for being made and hello,
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  Speaker 7: my name is Change. We gave the common unit it
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  Speaker 7: be the Texes and I'm glad to be here. Thank
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  Speaker 7: you for having me.
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  Speaker 6: Shun you doing drum?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sir, how you're doing at all?
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  Speaker 7: Back, great, great man, I'll back there too.
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  Speaker 3: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, okay, okay, Well I was training to the audience.
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  Speaker 1: So the ruin person the sale stipulation of prison litigation
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  Speaker 1: reform James right, and I was basically saying that that's
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  Speaker 1: through where that bill of class Actions Civil laws because
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  Speaker 1: of the conditions that inmates were being coursed upon them,
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  Speaker 1: these conditions that vib late to eight Amendment rights of
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  Speaker 1: inmates because we were being denied proper medical assistance, were overpowered.
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  Speaker 3: People were sleeping on draws, people.
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  Speaker 1: Were sweeping on the box, and you know, our facilities
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  Speaker 1: were just degrading, and the state Detexas was not putting
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  Speaker 1: enough money into the prison system in order to aliviate
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  Speaker 1: the problems. So the class Action Litigations actor was only
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  Speaker 1: desired to release the op problem of inmates. Okay, back
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  Speaker 1: then there was that ninety five percent capacity. So what
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  Speaker 1: happened then when you got the ninety four percent capacity,
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  Speaker 1: that all the prinon systems had to be shut down
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  Speaker 1: and that was forcing them to at least all of
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  Speaker 1: the inmates who were overcoming they feel right back up.
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  Speaker 1: So the prison litigations that it only allowed them to
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  Speaker 1: be able to come from federal guidelines to state guidelines,
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  Speaker 1: and when they've done that, the safe guidelines have allowed
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  Speaker 1: them to shine around and rebuild more prison systems. So
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  Speaker 1: now the prison's capacity is that one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent capensity.
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  Speaker 3: So being that they have fill up more.
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  Speaker 1: Prisons and help build these prisoners up, they are trying
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  Speaker 1: to get away from the idea of claiming to be overcrowded.
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  Speaker 1: But our prison conditions are just as messed up to.
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  Speaker 3: Day as they were back then, because the toilets don't work.
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  Speaker 7: The toilets are over blood, the shoe but don't.
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  Speaker 1: Work, the sinks don't work, the water's contaminated and made
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  Speaker 1: the diamond from all different types of bacteriavor in the
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  Speaker 1: water and catching all punchs of.
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  Speaker 3: Diseases and stuff like this.
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  Speaker 1: So now, because our state residencies are responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: fundings that's being provided to the prison system, they are
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  Speaker 1: laying on their jobs now because they're not doing anything
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  Speaker 1: to be able to put the funder their prison systems
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  Speaker 1: that's needed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, you know we're.
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  Speaker 6: At and you know, I believe I talked to both
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  Speaker 6: you and mister Legate. Well when you got to Dominica
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  Speaker 6: was telling us that they was washing the trays in
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  Speaker 6: trash cams and that you guys didn't have no hot water.
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  Speaker 6: They didn't have no hot water where they can just
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  Speaker 6: wash the trays. They was just dipping the trays and
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  Speaker 6: water that has a little bleach in it. I believe
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  Speaker 6: that's what one of the guys had told me. That's
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  Speaker 6: how they was cleaning the trays. Mister Legate, Can you
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  Speaker 6: let us know what's going on with over there with
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  Speaker 6: at the facility that you're at.
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  Speaker 7: Right well, you know, uh, the interview the little stuff
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  Speaker 7: that uh that I was talking about it sure about
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  Speaker 7: the dishwashing that we have the samp out of here.
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  Speaker 7: The dishwashers don't work period, all right, So what they
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  Speaker 7: do is they got at it. Were supposed to have
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  Speaker 7: bleached you, but you know, nan disappears so because you
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  Speaker 7: want to rinkt it off with the with the with
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  Speaker 7: the wash and just having out springs like that. That
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  Speaker 7: continues to go on now and when the reason balls
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  Speaker 7: who started there wasn't that many units. They were talking
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  Speaker 7: about twenty four thousand, five hundred and seventy five inmates
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  Speaker 7: total system. Four percent of that Doltner were females because
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  Speaker 7: there was two female units and there was sixteen male units.
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  Speaker 7: Now within the years of the time because of the
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  Speaker 7: building tenders, the lack of love my Ferry and psych medication,
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  Speaker 7: of psych evaluations and dealing with the unconditional conditions of
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  Speaker 7: the confinement. That's what David Release and several other offenders
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  Speaker 7: built into a class actions against GDC J, which was
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  Speaker 7: supposed to be if that's been over thirty years, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 7: A team of maybe two thousand and one GDC finally
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  Speaker 7: said hey, you know, let us call. We're going to
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  Speaker 7: keep up the wets and we're never going to violate
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  Speaker 7: these stipulations. That's a lie because within time that you
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  Speaker 7: can see, it's already been violated. Now in the unit,
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  Speaker 7: it became system wide. It's und the table it I
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  Speaker 7: know local reddit about any time a defender is caught
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  Speaker 7: with either either on drugs or whatever, you know, any
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  Speaker 7: kind of country band, they're gonna lock down that unit,
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  Speaker 7: that section of the of the prisons for fifteen days.
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  Speaker 7: They're gonna punish everybody for one bad apple.
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  Speaker 3: So what they're doing is.
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  Speaker 7: They're they're taking away your TV, and they're taking away
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  Speaker 7: your commissaries. They're taking away your your your phone calls,
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  Speaker 7: your vegetations. And this is creating a problem because in
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  Speaker 7: the nutshell, they're trying to say, hey, well, look, we
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  Speaker 7: need to stop all these people doing, we need to
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  Speaker 7: stop drugs going on. So what we're gonna do is
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  Speaker 7: just to take care of it, even though they're not
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  Speaker 7: perfectly saying it. When you're punishing another inmate for what
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  Speaker 7: another inmate does, you deprivate him of all forms of
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  Speaker 7: new process through the mechanism of displinary all right, and
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  Speaker 7: they made this part of Rui's stipulations. And so what
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  Speaker 7: happens now and create the problem with these offenders because
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  Speaker 7: now my mother, my grandfather or anybody, my wife, my kids,
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  Speaker 7: they're all going.
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  Speaker 5: To come visit me.
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  Speaker 7: Some guy clucks up and now I can't give my
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  Speaker 7: visit because this guy so of course, because you're made
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  Speaker 7: him up for do whatever the scenariohood. But what's also
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  Speaker 7: gonna happen is that Germany can help them too, and
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  Speaker 7: if thenother offender wants to, he can actually press charges
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  Speaker 7: on it. And so now you're going to have an
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  Speaker 7: assault charge and it's going to be a stack sentence.
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  Speaker 7: TDT is going to say, no, we're not doing that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: We're not we're not condoning that type of action. When
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: you root get it, they really are. It actually violates
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: their whole policy. They got an AD's eighty eight three
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: oh two what you Administrative Directive Writers and Provisible Health
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: under content. In other words, it says contender shall not
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: submit orders or instructions from staff from a staff member
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: to another offender. Okay, so now this is what they're
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: trying to say. They're doing because it's bad. So their
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: vibration right there, it says recommend actions for again it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: for own to get any privilege to another offender. Well
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: you're telling them, look, it's if you continue this, we're
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: gonna beat you up because now you're taking away my privilege.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: You see, TDH has this policy when they're doing and
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: it's Broni Caller who with the director of GDCJ, they
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: implemented this policy. In other words, also orders got together.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: What the directors are saying, Look, you got a baked
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: a problem in the system that's causing a lot of deaths.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: So when you call us all these dands, what happens?
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: They don't have no justification. They try to say, well,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: with the cardiac cares. Whatever it was there, it was
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: that well. Actually, if people were wise, if they were
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: going to have their sons or daughter or whatever have
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: an octop feeling and find out why did they die?
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: Because yes, K two cause cardiac rist But if they're
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: you young, why they die? They shouldn't have to die
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: like this. They're just drug addicts and a lot of people.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: I can't admit, there's a lot of people that are
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: drug addicts in this penitentiary. And I'm not talking about
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: just you this year. They don't copy system wide. You
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: see what I'm saying. But now now comes to question
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: who's giving them the drugs? If they know that these
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: drug addicts and that people are going to get punished
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: for what these drug addicts do, all right, they need
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: to also consider it for who's supplying it. If you're
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: giving it to this person knowing that he's a drug
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: addicgn knowing that he made me cause this problem, for
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: their contributing to this factory, which is really a sad,
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: sad situation because who's right and who's what. I can't
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: tell another man how to do his time. I cannot
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: do that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: And so I believe, I believe talk.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: About second job. Okay, okay, I'm going up the line
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that I gave him and has spend more money on
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the border than.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: He has the technics crement systems.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Now, okay, maybe rules that's now enforsulated in the legacy processes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: They have taken rehabilitation out of our systems. So now
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: these people don't have no incentitives in order to do better.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: They claim that these little programs that they do have
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: are classify the rehabilitated programs, but they don't have the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: staff and the resources in order to provide these can'ts
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: put the resources that they need in order to reabilitate
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: back into the facts.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: So what they're doing they make.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Up these make ship programs classifiers MTC, which is Management
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Training Corporation programs, and they.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Sticking these inmates and these programs as.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: An angle management in an A and A program and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: they don't.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Have nothing to provide these individuals just to allow.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Them to get up and speak for five minutes and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: that's it for the curriculum that's backdated to the last
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and that's it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So now these unions don't have nothing to hold on
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: to man.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: So what do they do?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: They forced to turn the drugs, They force turn the box,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: They forced to turn the other things as a negative
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: because they don't have nothing here in the system that's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: helping them to reintegrate back into the pot.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Then the drugs.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Man, so you know what else can they do? My
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: my question is this, how is the drugs getting in
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: there at the if the visitors that's coming in there
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: are being searched in everything, how how you know, how's
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: the how's it getting in there?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: I believe, I mean I believe, I believe that some
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: of the staff have a have a contributation of that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: That's just why they were supposed to pass out the
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: body camps uh January impact. They were supposed to pass
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: them out before then, but they didn't changed it to January,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: and they still have this do this because they go
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: for one the the the officers quick and they already
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: goes that if I were there's money camp, they're gonna
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: see everything I do. So that's gonna put them in
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: a spot instead of a pretty to to. I believe
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: it was the Sunset Committee they had they had an
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: open session on YouTube, I believe it was, and they
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: were talking about about there there are six thousand jobs
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: to opening right now, and they recommended TV clos some
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: units so they can staff them. And if they did
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: staff them, they can have an officer. They said that
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: for that around each on each pod and whatever to
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: their job. But they don't do this, they don't have none,
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: said that they expect a fighter to do that for them,
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: you seem seeing. So what happens is it was I
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: believe that would be a contributation because there's a lot
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: of people that are pretty uh kicking it and how
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: they do things, maybe how they smuggle stuff or whatever.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: But I believe that the most because everything's on paper
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: now and it's hard for us to be because we
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: can't get no paper no more. You know, our letters
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: have to go straight to Dallas and it goes to
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: a mail system processing seperate. We get it on our tablets,
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: don't email. We get actually it's either from a modified
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: approved in a Bible class or Bible study place or
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: are you or your lawyer. So so taking that into consideration,
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: you try to blow it down to one of the
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: most obvious or the most a successful way to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: bringing it in. You see, i'ctually people coming in every
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: day and every day and every dingy and taking you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, it pops up, It pops up,
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: It pops up, it pops up. So I mean, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: that's my opinion. Do I have proof? No, And I'm
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: not going to say I do because I know, But
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: do I believe this? If they do, that's my that's
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: my opinion. And uh, because I know that they got
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: so many cameras can be in the visitation that uh,
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: if they do catch somebody, they may catch maybe want
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: or to do something. You see what I'm saying. But
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: nine times undertended a the leader. It's it's the officers
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: bringing it in.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: And you know, and fentanyl is such a protent drug.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: You know from what I understand that if you can
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: just smell it or touch it and you know, you
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: go down and you know that I wouldn't understand how
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: a visitor will be bringing fentanyl in or or even
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Haron I heard well one of the mothers had posted
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: on a group that they had shut down a unit
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: because someone had hairon in there.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Right, right, It's like that. But you know a lot
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: of a lot of people can mate like mcmum unit
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: has a family and friends white website on right and
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: right there. A lot of family and friends of the
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: presidents of Facebook actually you know, and that family or
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: the union of macomma unit actually talk about a lot
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: of stuff that's going on in here, so that people
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: don't believe it. They can either go out there and
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: just google aco see everything that's going on. They're also
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: because of lobination that I hear because I don't ever
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: have access to it, or nobody tells me. But the
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: people who do, they do tell me that that's just
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: what they talked about. They we're talking about this. It's
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: a new policy that they just implemented by saying how
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: wrong it is. But it's hard for anybody to do
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: anything about it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: What can we do?
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I can. I can agree ince and
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: say hey, look you buy an agent hundred. That's this constitution.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: We're the only ones that just had the privilege concluded
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: in their work. It's not included in the United States Constitution.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: So in all my actuality, everything that I've earned, my
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: being doing my time in a positive way, right, I
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: earned that privilege. So if you take away my privilege,
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: you have to give me due course of law, in
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: other words, give me the pace. Tell me what I'm
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: being punished for and so forth, so forth. They don't
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: do this, they're doing might now they're punishing everybody for
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: somebody in elections. And to me, it's a constitutional But
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: what can we say, what can we do what prisoners?
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It takes people like anybody.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Out there if they want to like maybe they got
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: to considers. Hey, do you know what I gotta use media.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: I'd like to know what's going on over the coming
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: or with TVC with Brodan Coffin. Why did he in
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: one this poplicy in the first place? You know, because
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: some people are gonna get beat up. Some people are
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: going to get a get they got to catch out.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: In other words, they're gonna force him to move out
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: of that section or whatever, because it's already has to
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: go over here. That some guy got caught up with
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: something and they ran him off and he goes to
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: another door. Don't know, you can't get over here. Come on,
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: get out of here. If the prisoners are running those
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: doors stuff and kept their administration is allowing them to
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: do this, So we to some other section of the building.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: You got to do with the wrong car and putting
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: them in one stition of the of the of the
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: unit and a I was even together.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: So the problem also, right, I think Cornell want to
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: jump in Cornell, Well, I guess ma'am.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: See, that's a system that's been going on for years
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: now where they try to punish. It's called the corporal punishment.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Corporal punishment is a punishment that if one man may
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do something, we're gonna punish everybody so that jempardizes the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: light that individual while because if some guy feel like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: he needs to be punished, their do that. Okay, But
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: what's going on right now?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be hard to time a lot
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: of this stuff that's going on until we can get
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: our families involved in this and have our families go
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: ahead and put the pressure on the state representatives and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: need take the senators now, and our detective government now,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and the force deep and these advocacy groups who's claiming
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: about crying about criminal justice reform this in this textor
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: they made Families Association and the Texas Prism Alliances and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: all of these individuals will.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Claiming criminal justice reform.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: We need pressure on these individuals from our families in
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: order to get people.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: To do their job.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: To create govern medical assistant to create Dottle programs for
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: these individual kids up in his sphere, going back into
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the plot to get the.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Tools that they need.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And this is what we do need, man, because we're
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not gonna stop drugs from coming.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Here and at these also are the ones were running
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: in ringing in right, So what do we do?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: We have to put pressure on our representatives through.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: A paying the bills. These are the walls, put the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: funds for the but.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: You know, like that how to get involved, like you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: like we be talking Cortnal and mister Legable and we
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: be talking also and you know, and I tell you guys,
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: what was personally to me? I believe that with with
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: this new administrator that's that's in office right now, that's
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: taken everybody focuses on what or what they're doing. What
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: what are they doing? They taken off they whatever they
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: was applicant applicating for. They don'e took the focus off
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: of that and they don't put it over here on
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: number forty seven. See what he you know, oh he's doing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Is he's doing that? Let's stop worrying about what he's doing. Okay, yes,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: we understand that. You know what he's doing. He's he's
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: running the monk, that's what he's doing. Were putting our
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: we're taking our our focus off what the big picture
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: is and putting it over here on this when he's
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: gonna do whatever he's going to what he's what he's
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: going to do. You know that's why I you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: when you said that applete the I talked to some
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: of them and that their focus is not right here
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: with the men and women that's currently serving time rover
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: conviction over a sentence. And I reached out to some
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: of the applicants over there in Texas and I told them,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: you know, you guys got James Legate there. You guys
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: haven't even talked to them. You know, i'd be going
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: on the prison show, so.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: And I and I put you guys name out there,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: and I get a message backward like how do you
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: talk to them? Like they called me?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want to know how we're talking to talk. Yeah, yes,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that's that's that they want to know that now they're
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out our program. But the corner that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I can concern about the real from reform that we're
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: trying to get them nothing they're talking about some just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: some little spoons uff that we're here the only family.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Aware of the problem.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: But they're not just to make families aware of the
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: problems of how do we pick.
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: That's what? And you and you're right about that, they're not.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Because I'm in them groups. I look at them groups.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I may not say anything to them, but I see
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: what some of the focuses is mainly about some.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Of the some of the wives.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: They want to know how do they get their husband call? Okay,
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: how do they get their call off? That's not that's
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: not important. Why do you need his call all your
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, who can I mean, I understand what?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: What he cheating on you?
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: And something?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: That's not the focus right right now, Let's talk about
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: how to change some of these laws and not calling
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: a counselors getting called AFT. Let's stop making foolish petitions
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: about things instead they gonna they probably deny. Let's let's
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: do something else with that time and energy instead of
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: just like talking nonsense inside of the groups. Mister legate,
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: do you have anything.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: Well, I just like you. I would just like to
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: say that people really need to understand that there's a
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: lot of a lot of yes that are going on
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: in TV TJ A lot of them, and it's despibly
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: being that somebody questions the feel for the family. I
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: feel for the for the family because passed away. I mean,
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: I've seen people in here, especially if my exception was
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: in tax Us, people die because of well when I
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: hear it, because of of that K two stuff that
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: they smoke. Some of them iey need to even talk
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: to I don't even know. I've mis see him around.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: And because I'm really I'm really I'm not like anti
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: super but I only uh, I don't like to deal
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: with people who who pass their time in a negative way.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: I said it was something but positive people and if
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: they wouldn't even want to help, like too helpful even
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: if you want to do time in any way. But
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: I'm asking is if people should really reach out to
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: their senators, the slats, the representatives, you know, and and
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: and ask hey, you know, g is up at maybe
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: two o'clock in the morning doing random shatdowns and the
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: kind of get to go off guard. And so now
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: they're giving a big deprivation because they want these people
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: to come in, you know. And and it's all because
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: of the trucks and all because they do not want
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: to set up platform that can actually try to help
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: and educate the younger offender. Center and President, you got
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: people come in with with my senators. We've got murders,
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: you got a rapist, you got all kind of kind
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: of criminals. Criminal uh, people who done all kinds of
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: criminal activity. But the fact is to the to be realitated.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: So, I think everybody chance, everybody deserves a space to
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: vote so that they can try to do something positive
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: with your time. Yeah, they can get a couple of
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: programs here that some of them like do which is
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: from around Betters program.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: But other than that, some of them.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Use it as a game.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: You know, everything is basically get game now. And it
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: saddens me because especially when I see these young individuals,
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: you know, how they're wasting their life away. They could
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: not realize it. And what's said, is it because they
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: always can constantly getting money from their families who love them,
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: you know, instead of finding a compensation for themselves to
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: using all that money, all that conversary to give it
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: to the guy who's given them the drugs.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: So we have a question from Patrees. She would like
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: to know are there any drug programs available inside of there.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Do they offer drug programs in there?
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Well, but you haven't any However, to give that program
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: is very hard. But the way it is, right, you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: short of stass, I mean, they're super short of stuff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: They're not having no kind of program. Know, they do
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: have a program that's along with the recovery uh little
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: recovery program, right, but you don't have people in there
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: that shouldn't even be there, people who don't even do drugs,
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: People don't do this or do that. But they kick
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: down people who have a problem, if you have a problem,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: trying to help them to rehabilitate themselves to become a
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: better person. They're not saying, oh no, well you can't
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: do this because if if we find out that you're smoking,
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: we're gonna kick you out. Well, that's not the recovery program.
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: The recovery program might think that you have. If you
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: do have that problem, you can stop them, talk to
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: them and try to get helpful. But they're not doing that.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: So that I also asks your.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Question, Yes, did that answer your question for trees?
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: So you so without the programs, they just I just
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: I just hanging.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: Out you I mean, and now there's nothing they can do.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: There's over Yeah, there's nothing they can do. There's no recreation.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: We don't have no recreation because short of staff. See
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: the trade, you know it. Yet there's a long waiting
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: lints and stuff like this, and you have to be
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: case free. But even now because for three years to
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: be close the creators. Now you have certain people that
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: get you go and have it in daught this program,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: you know, And I've not way for myself. I've been
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: on three years, so I can't do nothing. I can't
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: practice by trade. But that's okay because I do my
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: time in a positive way anyway. You know me, I'm
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: always parting my cage. I'm always looking at reading and
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: searching and trying to keep myself out so maybe I
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: can do something when I do be now trying to
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: help somebody, trying to help the system, trying to get
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: that change, trying to talk to legislators myself. If I can't,
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: I would go to the magisterior session and speak behad
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: with the whole system, because I do believe it needs changed,
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: you know, I do believe it because people do need
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: to be punished for a crime and they come in.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: I do agree with that. However, there's a certain point
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: and time where everybody needs to gain some kind of
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: a discipline, some kind of education, some kind of motives,
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: you know, to help them, you know, to help uh
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: uh bring them back to society and to see what
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: life is really about, what they're really missing. You know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: it's not all about the hustle, is the puzzle or
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: just the party and all this stuff, or trying to
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: be anxious that you're not you know, it's just trying
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: to be a humble person that can go out into
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: the world and be responsible. And that's what that's the
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: way they're supposed to do this. They're supposed to commit
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: rehabilitation toward these offenders, and just maybe they're.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: Not doing and and yeah, and and it is very
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: sad because once the one want, once their release and
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: they haven't been given the proper tools to come back
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: into society, they're going to reoffend the again. And I
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: sometimes I be thinking that that's what they depend on. Oh,
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: you know, he gonna go out there, he gonna get
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: in trouble, or she gonna go out there and get
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: in trouble. She'll be back, she'll be back in and
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: probably little do we know they probably be putting back
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: so like, oh he'll be back in here like two months,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: three months, and you know, and then here he comes
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: back in. You know, So how do I mean? Once again?
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: You know, I do believe that there's power and voices
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: if we all come together and speak out against what's
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: going on in these prisons. You know, you can go
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: on Facebook and enter into these prison groups and you
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: can see how many men, how many women, especially the
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: men are in these prisons as getting the fentanyl, the
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: pay too in their overdose. Mister Legate, I know you
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: got one minute left, so I'm gonna go ahead and
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: let you give your final thought and also, well I'll
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: do it for you. I will give them your change
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: dot Org. Go ahead, Okay.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: What I'd like to say is that you know most
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: about TVC what they implemented, because you have to have
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: self rehabilitation. If you want to rehabilitate yourself. They're saying
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: they will go to school, get a gd do whatever
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: you're gonna do. But there is no most for these people.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: Everybody takes care of these because they're in love them.
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: They send them money, they do whatever they can because
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: they help them out. Now when they get up into
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: the world. They say, hey, well, now you've got to
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: get a job. You gotta get responsible, you.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: Gotta do this.
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: But they can't do that. They rather they rather work
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: for a cent or or or a problem, you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: flint stuff here Redily. They go out there making money
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: and they get productive.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: But I believe because.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: I love Okay, okay, So we have Cornell back. Mister Legate.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Time ran ran out. And you know, mister Legate is
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: currently in Texas fighting a brown for conviction. We had
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: him on here many a time talking about his conviction.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: If you guys haven't got to change dot org, look
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: up just where's the justice for James Legate, and please
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: sign his change dot org because he is an innocent
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: man in prison. So Cornell, welcome back.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, I'm back, and I appreciate being back, man, ma'am.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: Okay, So we.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Was talking about we had a a question come up.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Patrice asked a question about drug programs, if there were
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: any drug programs in the prison.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's a good question to be asked, man,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I have been Okay, was just put it like this.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: This is a sham process, man, Okay, I am getting
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: one right now. This is specified as the Management Training Corporation,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: which is a profit facility, a private entity. And what
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: they're doing is that the roller board would make you,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: would recommend you to be playful one of these programs.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: What in TDC, we do have a programs and other
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: church programs in order.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: To help people to try to stay away from drugs
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: But no, we do not have any positive programs here
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: in the prison system Texas that would help these kids
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: get off of drug man, you do not have that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So we can't tick the code it in line and
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: say that we do.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: We don't because mister Legate was telling us that it
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: wasn't any programs over there for them to do that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: They basically, I just guess they just hanging out, not
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: doing nothing. So if they just over there hanging out
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: and not doing anything, that's a prime way to start,
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: you know, indulging, you know, thinking that Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: go over here and I'm gonna do this, and it's
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: just gonna send me floating out of prison for a
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: minute and then I come back to reality. But sometimes
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: some of them gonna snap out of it. They over
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: there down overdose.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, madam I'm speaking, ma'am. Okay, if kids can't
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: have no intentions, ma'am to do better, it will not
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: do better. If we don't have no programs kids have
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to do better. They don't know that they can do better.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: So with that being said, now, since I've been in
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: this prison system now all my life now, there has
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: been no productive drug realitation programs within the system to
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: be able to help these kids to be able to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: refrain from using dugs. Okay, Now, when the black market
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: came in, when they stopped selling cigarettes in the physic system,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the black market came in. Wow, because you had TDC
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: officers knowing that they can make an extra bug by
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: banging in baccles. Then they started bringing in other stuff cocaine, weed, ecstasy,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: everything else that thema could use in order to medicate
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: themselves from the reality of being incarcerated behind prison walls
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: in these unsanitary prison conditions.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: And this is what's going on right now.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: So what our Texas for Overboard did was this, they said, well, okay,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the only way you can make the role is that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: we're going to recommend you to get paid to a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: drug real beef build a station program. At the end
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of your cinemas once you make the rollers, but mine yours.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: That so many people have a fifty or even life sentences. Man,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: the little programs that they do have in here, a
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: program that's the inmates trying to teach other inmate away
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: from juniors. Man, they don't have no counselors that come
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: up in here and to be able to teach you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: how to get away from drugs and to give you
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the tool of theay able to you that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: We don't have that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: You know now, I just.
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: Gotta say this before I forget it. You said that
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: they offer you the program at the end of your sentence.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Why they don't, Why do they do that, and why
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: they don't offer it? Doing your doing the incarceration, I
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: would think why they're incarcerated, you would want to start
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: introducing them to that then that where they can start
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: making the changes before their time the exit the system.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, because this is what they're doing. They're placing us,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: They're persing us.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Into this Management Training Corporation program, which is a private
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: chief that contracted with the State of Texas.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: That's making millions and millions of dollars off of the state.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: From some other meetings and everybody got their hands.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: In the cookie jar man.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Now, mind yourself.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: This is a private facility that we're in.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: This is not the parole board.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: The parole board put.
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: Us in this.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: So how is it logic and possible that this private
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: entity right now is making billions of dollars off of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: six thousand inmates who have already made parole but they
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: only got two thousand days. So you've got people that's
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: waiting and waiting and waiting to.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Get for this program, and they.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Can't get you a while because they don't have enough
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: minus space for these independents.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Treat those things.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Individual corporations getting paid money for us.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Just shouldn't you? And you know, and I think that's
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: just just crazy.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Crazy, Okay, that's just crazy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: You know, you know how you gonna hold how would
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: somebody made par role? You would think that, Okay, you
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: gave them a fund, They made par role and they're
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: gonna be out this day, whether I know in California,
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: I believe it. They give thee one hundred and twenty
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: more days before.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Their release, yes, ma'am, But they send you, they send uh.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: You guys to program, yes, yes, And so the program
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: that they're sentemas too, was like that, I make the
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: role today and the recommend man f I six and
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: the alf I pick is a six month program.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: That's this program that I'm in.
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Give you a three month extension day, so you have
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: to be at the program from that day. You want
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: to roll three months later like me, I can't and
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I opposed to hear in Octo, but.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I can't get here until January. So these four months,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: if they had waiting you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: To get here, they put that on the ends of
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: the air fix.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: So none of my release date is not until July
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the fourteenth.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: But how is that likely principle, But you gave.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: Me an air fix six far from October to April
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: the first. No, my release date now is ju Lie
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: the fourteenth. But these people are getting money from me
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: being here in this program because they don't have enough
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: their says, ma'am, And they are holding us behind and
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: making these people to eighteen nineteen more even to get here.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: And you know, so this is a problem.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Did they just get a million dollars to make a key?
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, okay, I'm here for the mean gains.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Stay there studding the facility units man okay.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: And I just come from the colony.
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: You're in the colony.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: You're just as get bad as the as a as
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: the common unit.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, these people don't care. Got a million dollars
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: to fix the security up. Now, Mandy is the bottom
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: of the medical department.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: And the bottom of the kitchen. Man, it's flooded with
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: water all the way to the top of the fins.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: So because of that, they don't have no hot water
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: in the.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Kitchen whatsoever, man at all. So the food trade that
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: they're using it of being washed in trashcans with a
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: little beef water and that disappears, aches out, and then
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the water sold, and the trades that we're eating from
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: a crazy train.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: So now with that being.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Saidment the heat, the contaminated trades, and.
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Now they don't have no water popper water to give
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: us because the walls contaminated.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: So now he hit it. So officers they get bottle water.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: They bring eat pepy bottled water. I'm looking at they
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: stacked the bottle of.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Water in the picket right now for the office cases
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: of the.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Bottle of water. And they eat from paper trades.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: But we can't eat from the paper trade. We have
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: to eat from the same fruit treading that they give
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: us the department. And if I tell you, these treatings
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: are so briefy that ma'am can.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Say, and the food and I can only imagine. I
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: can just you know, talking to the men's over there
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: Domingos Unit and knows, listening on the gate and seeing
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: and everybody telling me how they water them trades. They
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: just dipping them in water and trash can.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: And that right now, man, who are complaining about some
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: partner with they kicking from something and uh, I forgot
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: the name of it. Get up for second up here,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of, ma'am.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Now it's coming to be a problem of the coming
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: up with these body diseases and they don't know what
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: it's from. I do identify it today.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: And you know, when this guy told me about it
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: the other day, I didn't know for sure that's what
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: it was. He said, his kidney is or something that's
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: wrong with him.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Man, that's another duo. Were doing the same with generical things.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Man, So it's got to be from this world up
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: something that's you know, that's these people are feeding us.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, kidney stone, that's what he was trying to figure out.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to say.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: All we don't.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a holidays. This is holiday.
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: Mister holiday is the one I have that was recently
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: diagnosed with m mess.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: Right, No, ma'am, that's not the young but the holiday
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: is the one that has to recall. Man, that kid.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, yes lam, Yes so man, this is
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: the problem. So the people are not giving any problematical
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: assistance lens. When these people electric.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: People get off of these debuty trade I'm talking about
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: washing trade.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: In cover water.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: And as far as the facility, we don't get no
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: recreation over here.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: It's a twenty four hour lockdown, so we don't get
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: no recreation over here. And as far as the compound
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: on Erogan, it can't do nothing, man.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: So you know, the conditions are.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: So bad that it's sad.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: And we're asking for representatives to come and walk through
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: these suits to look at them, because if they can see.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: For themselves what we're complaining about, that's.
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: All we ask, man, So that they can see what
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: we're seeing and what we're saying, that's all we.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: Ask, man.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: And you know.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: When I look in the uh in the groups and
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: I see what they're what they're posting. They're not posting
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: anything that's really alarming that people need to go check
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: out the prison system or anything like that. They just
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: talking a bunch of nonsense. So how do we get
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: We got three minutes for now? How can we get
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: a good how?
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: What's what would y'all like for us?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, ma'am, you have opened the door all rid
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: of yourself.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, the the Prison Show, it's an power that here
• 59:42
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• 59:43
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• 59:47
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• 59:50
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• 59:52
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• 59:54
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• 59:57
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• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:16
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• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: system and the issues that are any matter, And we
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: with Will being a dead horse man? We have a
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: program system amount that will never be sick until we
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: fix it.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: The question is what is wrong with our comp justice system?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: How do we yeah the question?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: And on that note, we got two minutes. I just
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: want to say thank you for the on for joining us,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: joining me again tonight, and I want to thank you
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: guys for listening.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: In and.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: Encourage you guys to get involved. If you have loved
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: ones that's currently incarcerated, I can't stress this enough. Please
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: check on them, regardless whatever, please check on them. Don't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: just don't leave them in there. And let's be a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: voice for them, for the wives and mothers and stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Stop calling their counselors asking for their car laws. Leave
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  Speaker 6: that alone. Let's bring something else. Let's talk about laws,
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  Speaker 6: changing these laws, getting our men's back home, getting them
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  Speaker 6: rebilitated so they can be protected citizens when they come
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  Speaker 6: out when they're release. I love you guys and I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: look forward to talking to you guys again. I believe
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  Speaker 6: next month I have the first and third Monday of
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  Speaker 6: every month, me and Cornell is going to be here.
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  Speaker 6: And on that note, don't forget to drink your water
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  Speaker 6: and stay your own own lane.
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  Speaker 3: We love you and see you later, Okay,