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Top Twenty UFO Encounters in Arizona: Part One · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I call
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Speaker 1: this episode the Top 20 UFO Cases in Arizona. I've
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Speaker 1: gone through literally thousands of cases in the state of
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Speaker 1: Arizona and picked what I think are the top 20
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Speaker 1: best UFO cases. And by that I mean the cases
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Speaker 1: that are most well known in some cases, very influential cases,
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Speaker 1: cases that have something unique to offer in terms of
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Speaker 1: our understanding of UFOs, cases that have really shaped our
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Speaker 1: understanding of this phenomena. I think another researcher may have
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Speaker 1: come up with a different list, but this is mine
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Speaker 1: and I'm super excited about presenting it to you today.
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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a countdown of the top
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Speaker 1: 20 cases from 20 all the way to number one.
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Speaker 1: Because there's so much information To present to you, I'm
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Speaker 1: actually going to break this down into a two-part episode.
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Speaker 1: Part one will be case number 20, all the way
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Speaker 1: to case number 11. And part two will be the
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Speaker 1: top 10 cases. So let's just get started. And for
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Speaker 1: case number 20, I chose astronomer Seymour L. Hess sees
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Speaker 1: a UFO. Despite allegations of skeptics, there are actually many
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Speaker 1: accounts on record in which professional astronomers have observed UFOs.
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Speaker 1: And that's true in this case with astronomer Seymour L.
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Speaker 1: Hess of Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona.
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Speaker 2: At 12.20 p.m.
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Speaker 1: On May 20, 1950, Seymour Hess was at Lowell Observatory
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Speaker 1: when he observed a disc-shaped craft moving slowly against the
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Speaker 1: prevailing wind at an estimated altitude of about 12,000 feet.
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Speaker 1: So it was quite high up there. But he observed
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Speaker 1: this object through binoculars and became absolutely convinced that it
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Speaker 1: was a powered vehicle of some kind. As he says,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, It was extremely prominent and showed some
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Speaker 1: size to the naked eye. That is, it was not
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Speaker 1: merely a pinpoint. He heard no noise from this object
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Speaker 1: as it moved across the sky and disappeared into a
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Speaker 1: large cloud bank, but he estimates that it was no
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Speaker 1: larger than five feet across and moving at about 200
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Speaker 1: miles per hour. Researcher James MacDonald, an atmospheric physicist from
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Speaker 1: the University of Arizona, was really impressed by this report
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Speaker 1: Because Seymour Hess was an astronomer, a trained observer, and
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Speaker 1: knew about objects in the sky, and was still convinced
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Speaker 1: that it was highly unusual. And in fact, James MacDonald
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Speaker 1: recommended that the Robertson panel, who was studying UFOs for
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Speaker 1: the University of Colorado, recommended that they pay more attention
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Speaker 1: to this report. Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and the Condon
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Speaker 1: Committee refused. came up with a negative conclusion as to
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Speaker 1: the veracity of UFOs. But this is a really interesting case,
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Speaker 1: one of many in which professional astronomers have seen UFOs.
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Speaker 1: So I think it definitely deserved a place on this list.
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Speaker 1: That's case 20, a really remarkable and influential case that
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Speaker 1: deserves to be more well-known than it is. And that's
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Speaker 1: why I gave it slot number 20 on this list.
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Speaker 1: And now we move along to case number 19. And
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Speaker 1: for case number 19, I chose Mass Sighting over Tucson.
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Speaker 1: This is not a very well-known case, but it certainly
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Speaker 1: deserves to be more well-known because it's really quite remarkable.
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Speaker 1: Early on the morning of April 1, 1958, literally hundreds
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Speaker 1: of people in the Tucson area observed a group of
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Speaker 1: five or six silvery objects floating leisurely eastward over the city.
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Speaker 1: Calls flooded into the local news stations, and eventually these
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Speaker 1: reports found their way to researcher James McDonald, who began
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Speaker 1: a formal investigation. James McDonald was able to locate and
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Speaker 1: interview no less than 80 separate witnesses who observed these
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Speaker 1: objects from locations more than 70 miles apart. And after
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Speaker 1: collecting and analyzing all the data, he was able to
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Speaker 1: triangulate the reports. He contacted the local Air Force bases
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Speaker 1: and local weather stations and ruled out any type of
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Speaker 1: natural atmospheric phenomena weather balloons, and conventional aircraft. He tried
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Speaker 1: to get radar information from the Air Force, but was
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Speaker 1: told that, quote, radar information is classified. But after all
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Speaker 1: his research, a full picture of this incident emerged, and
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Speaker 1: his investigation showed that around 6 a.m. on that morning
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Speaker 1: of April 1, 1958, A group of five or six oval-shaped,
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Speaker 1: silver-colored objects, an estimated 25 miles high, moved overhead. And
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Speaker 1: all the witnesses described essentially the same thing. And here's
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Speaker 1: another very interesting thing about this report. After the objects left,
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Speaker 1: a group of six Air Force jets appeared moving in
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Speaker 1: the direction of the UFOs, so apparently chasing after them.
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Speaker 1: James MacDonald interviewed multiple groups of people who observed these
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Speaker 1: objects together, including a group of weathermen, trained observers, several residents,
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Speaker 1: a Navy seaman, a military pilot, a group of Greyhound
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Speaker 1: bus passengers, and more. He made numerous inquiries trying to
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Speaker 1: find the identity of these jets, but received the runaround
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Speaker 1: from the Air Force, and it was this treatment, which
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Speaker 1: first convinced James MacDonald that our military, the U.S. military,
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Speaker 1: was withholding information about UFOs. He eventually prepared a 40-page
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Speaker 1: report on this sighting, which unfortunately was never published. His investigation, however,
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Speaker 1: opened doors, and he soon became inundated by new witnesses
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Speaker 1: who had heard about his interest in this subject. It's
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Speaker 1: a really amazing encounter. So that's case 19. And now
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Speaker 1: we move to case 18. And for case 18, I
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Speaker 1: chose Ranch UFO Encounter. This case is virtually unknown, but
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Speaker 1: it's got some really interesting and unusual elements, and I
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Speaker 1: think it deserves to be more well-known, and that's why
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Speaker 1: I gave it slot number 18 on this list. On
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Speaker 1: July 21st, In 1985, ranch hand Scott Wilkins, that's his pseudonym,
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Speaker 1: was working at the K4 Cattle Ranch in Yavapai County.
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Speaker 1: This is located some miles northwest of Prescott, Arizona. And
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Speaker 1: it was 9 p.m. in the evening, and Scott was
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Speaker 1: working in the maintenance barn when he was called outside
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Speaker 1: by three other ranch hands who stood with their families
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Speaker 1: looking upward at the sky. Scott looked upward and saw
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Speaker 1: this strange object moving at, quote, a snail's pace towards
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Speaker 1: the main house on the east edge of the ranch.
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Speaker 1: And this object, says Scott, was, quote, over 100 yards long, triangle-shaped,
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Speaker 1: with three huge bright blue lights on the bottom and
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Speaker 1: smaller porthole-like lights all the way around the object. Now,
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Speaker 1: according to Scott Wilkins, this craft moved until it was
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Speaker 1: directly over the main house, at which point it came
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Speaker 1: to a complete standstill. And at this point, all the
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Speaker 1: animals on the ranch became totally silent, and Scott saw
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Speaker 1: that the horses were bunching up together against the fence
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Speaker 1: as far from the object as they could get, and
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Speaker 1: the dogs, who were normally very loud, were retreating to
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Speaker 1: the barn and hiding behind the hay bales. So he
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Speaker 1: runs to his house and he got his wife and
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Speaker 1: daughter and they went outside and observed this object. And
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Speaker 1: at the same time, he and the other ranch hands
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Speaker 1: grabbed their rifles and pistols just to hope, you know,
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Speaker 1: try and protect themselves from what this thing might be.
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Speaker 1: And a few of them actually brought cameras and began
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Speaker 1: to take photographs. And here's where it gets very strange.
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Speaker 1: The next thing everyone on the ranch knew, they were
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Speaker 1: all back inside their homes, waking up the next morning.
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Speaker 1: The owner of the ranch paid out yesterday's wages as
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Speaker 1: he normally did, and they began the next day as usual.
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Speaker 1: Scott Wilkins and the other employees at the ranch began
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Speaker 1: the long drive out to town to cash their checks
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Speaker 1: at the local market. This is quite an isolated ranch.
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Speaker 1: And when he and the others arrived at the store,
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Speaker 1: they got an incredible shock. As Scott Wilkins says, and
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Speaker 1: I quote, it was three days later. The store employees
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Speaker 1: had expected us two days prior. They showed us that
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Speaker 1: day's newspaper. We just stared at each other in disbelief,
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Speaker 1: but we weren't alone. Walnut Creek Station has four ranch
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Speaker 1: headquarters and one Forest Service firefighters facility there. The store
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Speaker 1: employee and night manager told us we were part of
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Speaker 1: a stream of people who worked in Walnut Creek that
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Speaker 1: showed up on the wrong day to buy our monthly
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Speaker 1: stock of food. The local feed store reported the same
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Speaker 1: strange event as dusty old cowboys and their families came
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Speaker 1: to buy tack, clothes, boots, shirts, barbed wire, etc. So
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Speaker 1: apparently there was three days of missing time with multiple people.
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Speaker 1: And according to Scott, this strange event caused major shockwaves
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Speaker 1: throughout the entire community. Several of the wives moved off
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Speaker 1: the ranch and back into town. Others nailed their windows
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Speaker 1: shut and placed deadlocks on their doors. Some bought new
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Speaker 1: guns and new guard dogs, and some left the ranch
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Speaker 1: and refused to ever go there again. Several of the
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Speaker 1: ranch hands reportedly found strange marks on the backs of
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Speaker 1: their children, next to their belly buttons as well. Other
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Speaker 1: ranch hands and their wives found marks on or near
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Speaker 1: their knees. And around the same time of this incident...
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Speaker 1: the ranch experienced several strange cattle mutilations. And according to Scott,
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Speaker 1: these involved mainly pregnant cows, the calf laying there still
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Speaker 1: in the birthing sack, but the mom cut to pieces,
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Speaker 1: the rear end just gone, eyes, tongue, guts just gone,
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Speaker 1: and hardly any blood. And there were other strange effects,
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Speaker 1: as Scott says. What was really strange was We all
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Speaker 1: seem to just forget about it, never discussing it. And
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Speaker 1: in fact, according to Scott, it wasn't until the Phoenix
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Speaker 1: Lights incident more than 10 years later that he even
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Speaker 1: thought about the event at all. And according to Scott,
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Speaker 1: he says that the object returned a number of times,
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Speaker 1: usually around late July, July 21st. He later had the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to examine some of the photos taken of the
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Speaker 1: UFO over the main ranch house, and the photos from
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Speaker 1: the digital cameras did not come out. The only camera
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Speaker 1: that worked was an old Instamatic, and this photo showed
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Speaker 1: only a big blur shaped like a triangle. So this
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Speaker 1: is a very strange case involving what appears to be
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Speaker 1: three days of missing time, animal effects, photographs, multiple witnesses.
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Speaker 1: It's really a remarkable case and deserves to be much
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Speaker 1: more well-known, but it is, and that's why I gave
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Speaker 1: it this slot. And now we move to case number 17.
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Speaker 1: For case number 17, I chose the Cave Creek UFO crash.
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Speaker 1: Arizona has actually quite a few reports of UFO crashes,
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Speaker 1: and this is one of the more prominent ones, certainly
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Speaker 1: not the only one, as we shall see. But this
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Speaker 1: is one that is not super well known, and I
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Speaker 1: think definitely deserves a place on this list, and that's
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Speaker 1: why I wanted to present it to you today. Early
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Speaker 1: one morning on October 1947, a gentleman by the name
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Speaker 1: of Selman Graves, who was then 22 years old, and
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Speaker 1: his brother-in-law, Bob Malody, who was 16 years old, decided
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Speaker 1: to go rabbit hunting and explore some of the many
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Speaker 1: abandoned mines in the area of Cave Creek. They drove
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Speaker 1: over to their friend Walt Salyer's ranch house because he
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Speaker 1: was supposed to join them. Strangely, however, Walt was nowhere
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Speaker 1: to be found. So Selman Graves and Bob Melody retreated
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Speaker 1: to the basement of the ranch house to wait for
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Speaker 1: Walt Sawyer. And he arrived 20 minutes later and seemed
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Speaker 1: strangely agitated and upset. And whenever Walt or Bob got
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Speaker 1: anywhere near the large freezer in his basement, Walt Sawyer
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Speaker 1: seemed to become, quote, especially nervous. And finally, he told
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Speaker 1: his friends that they couldn't go hunting on the west
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Speaker 1: part of his ranch. because the Air Force was there
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Speaker 1: and had restricted the area. He said that the Air
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Speaker 1: Force might be spooked by any gunfire. And when he
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Speaker 1: didn't elaborate, Selman Graves and Bob Melody set off alone
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Speaker 1: on horseback, believing that Walt would join them later. So
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Speaker 1: while they did that, they climbed to the top of
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Speaker 1: a large hill, which gave a perfect view of the
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Speaker 1: surrounding area. And to the west of Walt Sawyer's ranch house,
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Speaker 1: they saw something incredible. And I'll just let Selman Graves
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Speaker 1: describe what they saw as he says, and I quote,
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Speaker 1: What we saw can best be described as a large
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Speaker 1: aluminum dome-shaped thing sitting upright in the desert. According to
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Speaker 1: Selman Graves, this object was about 36 feet in diameter
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Speaker 1: and about one mile away. So he and his friend
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Speaker 1: wondered if this object might be some kind of observatory dome.
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Speaker 1: But what was strange was that there were two military
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Speaker 1: vehicles parked next to the object and five men were
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Speaker 1: milling around next to it. None of these guys appeared
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Speaker 1: to be dressed in military uniform. So Selman Graves wasn't
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Speaker 1: sure what to think of this incident. And after going hunting,
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Speaker 1: they returned to Walt Sawyer's home And at this point,
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Speaker 1: Selman's memory becomes confused. As he says, there were men
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Speaker 1: running around in the basement asking us questions about what
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Speaker 1: we saw. I'm not sure what I told them, but
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Speaker 1: I do remember telling myself not to forget, not to forget.
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Speaker 1: He now thinks that he was brainwashed and actually made
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Speaker 1: to forget. So here's a little audio clip from Selman
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Speaker 1: Graves describing what happened.
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Speaker 2: The size of the house, as far as saying how
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Speaker 2: big it was as a cross and so forth, which
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Speaker 2: I learned later. And that was approximately 36 feet. We
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Speaker 2: had no idea what we were looking at. And we
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Speaker 2: kicked things around. In fact, this is the first thing
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Speaker 2: that we said was, the Air Force sure didn't apply.
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Speaker 1: To this thing.
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Speaker 2: Here. What are they doing? wouldn't they do it somewhere else?
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's something, even we thought maybe this is something
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Speaker 2: to do with solar energy collection, some sort of a farming,
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Speaker 2: but in any case there was nothing that made sense
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Speaker 2: of us being there instead of being on a little basis.
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Speaker 2: We arrived there at about 10.30 in the morning and
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Speaker 2: when we left it was about 10.30 at night. After
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Speaker 2: we had finished looking at the shafts and seeing it
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Speaker 2: very returned to Saunders' house.
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Speaker 1: We didn't leave there until about 10.30 at night because
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Speaker 1: there were some other men that came on the scene
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Speaker 1: that detained us with various questions and so forth. Two
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Speaker 1: years following this incident, something else strange happened. Selman Graves
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Speaker 1: saw a man with a bulldozer right at the same
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Speaker 1: exact area where he saw this object. And as Selman says,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out what he was doing. First off,
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Speaker 1: he was rather well-groomed for that kind of work, and
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Speaker 1: he seemed to be digging ditches helter-skelter. So intrigued by this,
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Speaker 1: Selman Graves approached the man on his break and asked
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Speaker 1: him why he was digging random ditches in the area.
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Speaker 1: And as Selman says, and I quote, So many years later,
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Speaker 1: in 1962... Selman Graves drove out to Sawyer's ranch on
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Speaker 1: a whim, he says, to ask what Walt Sawyer remembered
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Speaker 1: about the 1947 incident. And Walt was not happy about this.
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Speaker 1: As Selman Graves says, he immediately got angry. He said,
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Speaker 1: nothing like that happened. And furthermore, you have never been
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Speaker 1: here at my ranch before. So this was really confusing
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Speaker 1: to Selman Graves. Because he knew what he saw. And
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Speaker 1: this is when he started to connect us all to UFOs.
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Speaker 1: So sometime later, the television program Unsolved Mysteries heard about
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Speaker 1: the case and decided to do an investigation. Unfortunately, by
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Speaker 1: this point, Walt Sawyer had died there. some years earlier. However,
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Speaker 1: they were able to obtain some confirmation of the event.
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Speaker 1: Reporter Don Devereaux of the Scottsdale Progress newspaper found a
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Speaker 1: resident who had spoken with Sawyer about the UFO event.
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Speaker 1: And as Don Devereaux says, and I quote, he was
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Speaker 1: supposedly talking about the incident, including the bodies in the freezer.
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Speaker 1: The people in the bar thought it was funny and
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Speaker 1: were razzing him about it. Strangely, Bob Melody, Selman Graves' friend,
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Speaker 1: has no memory of this incident at all, but he
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Speaker 1: does believe that his friend is telling the truth. And
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Speaker 1: as Bob Melody says, I don't doubt it. Now, Selman
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Speaker 1: Graves remains convinced that both he and his brother-in-law were
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Speaker 1: victims of some sort of, quote, mind-bending hypnosis, end quote,
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Speaker 1: by military officials to make them forget what they had seen.
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Speaker 1: Researcher Sean Castile, who published an article about this case
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Speaker 1: in UFO Universe magazine, writes, So there you have it.
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Speaker 1: Arizona produces one mystery after another, some rooted in the
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Speaker 1: ever-changing present, while others seep up from the dark well
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Speaker 1: of the almost forgotten. If there are answers, they continue
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Speaker 1: to elude us, at least for now. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: An amazing case of an apparent UFO crash retrieval, including
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Speaker 1: bodies and a government cover-up. It's really quite interesting. So
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Speaker 1: that's case number 17. Now we move to 16. And
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Speaker 1: for slot number 16, I chose the William Rhodes UFO photographs.
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Speaker 1: This is quite a controversial case, but it's a very
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Speaker 1: interesting story and one of the first really interesting UFO
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Speaker 1: photographs out there. I think it should be much more
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Speaker 1: well-known than it is, and that's why I gave it
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Speaker 1: slot number 16 on this list. On July 7, 1947,
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Speaker 1: around the exact same time as the Roswell UFO crash
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Speaker 1: in New Mexico, amateur photographer William Rhodes of Phoenix was
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Speaker 1: drawn outside by a strange sound. Hoping to photograph a jet,
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Speaker 1: he was surprised to see instead what appeared to be
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Speaker 1: a flying disc. He said it was semi-circular, flat, encircling
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Speaker 1: the area about 2,000 feet away. So William Rhodes quickly
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Speaker 1: snapped two photographs of this object, which then veered and
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Speaker 1: flew quickly off to the west. And realizing he had
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Speaker 1: just captured two photographs of a flying saucer that the
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Speaker 1: newspapers were talking about, he rushed to his laboratory and
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Speaker 1: developed the film, and the two pictures came out perfectly.
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Speaker 1: He offered them to the newspaper, the Arizona Republic, who
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Speaker 1: published them on July 9, 1947, under the headline, Saucer
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Speaker 1: Flits in the Sky at Unbelievable Speeds. So the story
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Speaker 1: develops from there. Kenneth Arnold, who is most famous for
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Speaker 1: the sighting over Mount Rainier, viewed the photographs. And seeing
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Speaker 1: that they portrayed pretty much exactly what he had seen
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Speaker 1: earlier that year over Mount Rainier, he publicly declared his
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Speaker 1: belief that Rhodes' pictures were genuine. And it was Kenneth
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Speaker 1: Arnold's endorsement that caught the attention of the Air Force
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Speaker 1: and actually the FBI. And according to William Rhodes, the
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Speaker 1: FBI showed up within 48 hours of the photograph being published.
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Speaker 1: And these two men presented themselves as Lieutenant Colonel Beam
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Speaker 1: from Hamilton Field, California, and FBI agent Mr.
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Speaker 2: Letting.
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Speaker 1: And they interrogated William Rhodes about the sighting and the photographs.
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Speaker 1: And as William Rhodes says, and I quote, they confiscated
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Speaker 1: the negative and said I could get it back soon.
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Speaker 1: But that never happened. And according to William Rhodes, in 1948,
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Speaker 1: he was asked to travel to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
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Speaker 1: in Ohio for an interview, but he declined. And it
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Speaker 1: was shortly later that military and government officials arrived at
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Speaker 1: his home to interview him again. As William Rhodes says,
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Speaker 1: Years later, when I called the FBI, they denied all
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Speaker 1: knowledge of the incident. But then the bombshell occurred on
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Speaker 1: March 5, 1985, when the Air Force declassified the Air
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Speaker 1: Intelligence Report No.
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Speaker 2: 100-203-79.
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Speaker 1: This formerly top-secret report, originally dated December 10, 1948, presents
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Speaker 1: an analysis of the then-current UFO situation at that time,
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Speaker 1: reporting on different types of UFOs and speculating on their
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Speaker 1: possible origins and intentions. And this report concludes that, quote,
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Speaker 1: some sort of flying object, end quote, has been observed.
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Speaker 1: So what are these flying objects? The report takes a
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Speaker 1: very hesitant, conservative stance and says, it is not known
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Speaker 1: at this time whether these observations were are misidentifications of
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Speaker 1: domestically launched devices, natural phenomena, or foreign unconventional aircraft. But
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Speaker 1: important here is the appendix, Appendix C, which is called
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Speaker 1: the Selected Reports of Flying Object Incidents. And several cases
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Speaker 1: are mentioned, including the sighting by William Rhodes, which the
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Speaker 1: Air Force conveniently said that they forgot. And this report
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Speaker 1: clearly says that William Rhodes, and I quote, allegedly saw
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Speaker 1: a disc circling his locality during sunset and took two photographs.
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Speaker 1: The resulting pictures show a disc-like object with a round
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Speaker 1: front and a square tail. These photographs have been examined
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Speaker 1: by experts who state they are true photographic images and
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Speaker 1: do not appear to be imperfections in the emulsion of
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Speaker 1: or imperfections in the lens. Today, some UFO researchers speculate
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Speaker 1: that William Rhodes may have photographed one of the actual
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Speaker 1: UFOs that crashed at Roswell, or one that's identical to them.
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Speaker 1: This case is not without controversy. Some believe that Rhodes
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Speaker 1: hoaxed these photographs, though no explanation is given to how
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Speaker 1: he did this. But the fact that the FBI and
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Speaker 1: government officials showed so much interest in these photographs, I think,
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Speaker 1: lends credibility to this case. And the fact that they
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Speaker 1: denied it, and we now know that that was a lie, also,
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Speaker 1: I think, shows that they were taking this very seriously indeed.
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Speaker 1: Whatever the case, I think it's an important and influential
27:38
Speaker 1: case and could very well be an early, genuine photograph.
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Speaker 1: of the UFOs that were flying around during this massive
27:48
Speaker 1: wave during the time of the Roswell UFO crash. All right,
27:53
Speaker 1: moving along, and now we get to case number 15.
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Speaker 1: For case number 15, I chose Luke Air Force Base
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Speaker 1: UFO Cover-Up. This is another incident that's virtually unknown. but
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Speaker 1: it involves an insider at Luke Air Force Base who
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Speaker 1: admits to covering up UFO information. It's a very important case,
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Speaker 1: and that's why I wanted to include it on this list. Now,
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Speaker 1: it is well known that Air Force bases are primary
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Speaker 1: targets for UFOs, and that certainly seems to be true
28:31
Speaker 1: in this case, where Luke Air Force Base had an
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Speaker 1: incredible sighting. And here's a direct quote from... an individual
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Speaker 1: who worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time
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Speaker 1: of this incident. This actually occurred on August 10, 1974.
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Speaker 1: And as this witness says, and I quote, as a
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Speaker 1: former staff sergeant in the USAF and a tower crew
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Speaker 1: chief at Luke Air Force Base Control Tower, a former
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Speaker 1: Phoenix firefighter and engineer, a business owner, a jet aircraft
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Speaker 1: mechanic for Lockheed Martin and NASA, a husband, father, and
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Speaker 1: an American patriot. I promise you these comments are true
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Speaker 1: and honest. So this is how this witness is introducing himself.
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Speaker 1: And this gentleman worked as the tower chief when a
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Speaker 1: colonel from Luke Air Force Base command post telephoned him
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Speaker 1: on the hotline saying that he had a civilian resident
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Speaker 1: from nearby Sun City who was looking at a UFO
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Speaker 1: at that very moment and this colonel told the tower
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Speaker 1: chief who's anonymous to take the call So the chief
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Speaker 1: answered the phone and spoke with the resident, a woman,
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Speaker 1: who said that there was a bright object hovering over
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Speaker 1: the White Tank Mountains. And she asked him repeatedly, do
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Speaker 1: you see it? Do you see this object? And as
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Speaker 1: the chief says at Luke Air Force Base, and I quote,
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Speaker 1: the UFO was real and clearly visible. It glowed orange
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Speaker 1: to red and seemed to move all about an approximate
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Speaker 1: 2 to 10 degrees each time it moved. The lady
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Speaker 1: repeated several times, do you see it? And this chief
30:39
Speaker 1: from Luke Air Force Base lied and said no. He
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Speaker 1: lied to her. And as he says, and I quote,
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Speaker 1: I wish to point out at this time that we
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Speaker 1: lied to the lady We saw the object all too well,
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Speaker 1: but due to the extremely heavy amount of paperwork we
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Speaker 1: would have had to undergo, not to mention a psychological assessment,
31:05
Speaker 1: we answered her no, and that was a lie. To
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Speaker 1: this day, I regret lying to this lady. So according
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Speaker 1: to this witness, this chief, he and four other officers
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Speaker 1: in the control tower observed this glowing object for 45
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Speaker 1: more minutes when, as he says, suddenly and in the
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Speaker 1: blink of an eye, it shot up and off to
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Speaker 1: the right. At that point, it disappeared off into the distance.
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Speaker 1: What's important here is that this chief at Luke Air
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Speaker 1: Force Base and other witnesses saw this object, knew it
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Speaker 1: was a UFO object, and still lied about it and
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Speaker 1: covered it up. And this just goes to show how
31:58
Speaker 1: badly our military has bungled this whole UFO situation. And
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Speaker 1: he didn't tell the truth because he knew that it
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Speaker 1: would cause not only paperwork, but it would actually put
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Speaker 1: his own job in jeopardy. It's such a shame. And
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Speaker 1: one can only wonder how many other incidents there are
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Speaker 1: that occurred that we don't know about. And I have
32:27
Speaker 1: to give credit to this chief from Luke Air Force
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Speaker 1: Base for coming forward, even though it was years later.
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Speaker 1: It's an amazing case. So that's case number 15, and
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Speaker 1: I think you'll agree that that's an amazing encounter. And
32:42
Speaker 1: now we move to number 14. And for number 14,
32:46
Speaker 1: I chose a radar visual UFO encounter. This is an
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Speaker 1: amazing encounter involving multiple witnesses and a UFO that appeared
32:58
Speaker 1: on radar. This case comes from J. Allen Hynek, and
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Speaker 1: I think you'll find it quite interesting. So this case
33:07
Speaker 1: occurred on January 13, 1967, and as I mentioned, it's
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Speaker 1: a particularly well-verified sighting involving multiple eyewitnesses and radar confirmations.
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Speaker 1: It was at 10 p.m. on the evening of January 13,
33:25
Speaker 1: and at that time, two pilots in separate planes, one
33:29
Speaker 1: was a National Airlines jet and the other was a
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Speaker 1: Lear jet, each crew observed a mysterious red flashing object
33:41
Speaker 1: which appeared to be elongating and increasing in size. In
33:45
Speaker 1: addition to these two witnesses... An aircraft controller in nearby
33:51
Speaker 1: Albuquerque was watching the object on his radar screens and
33:55
Speaker 1: was also in communication with both pilots. And the radar
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Speaker 1: operator noticed a very interesting and curious fact. Whenever the
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Speaker 1: pilots reported the light flashing off, the object would disappear
34:11
Speaker 1: from his radar scope. And when the pilots saw the
34:14
Speaker 1: light flash on, the object would reappear on his screens.
34:19
Speaker 1: So this object was in view for more than 25 minutes.
34:24
Speaker 1: This did reach Project Blue Book and was investigated by J.
34:29
Speaker 1: Allen Hynek, who investigated this incident in depth. And as J.
34:34
Speaker 1: Allen Hynek writes, and I quote, as the tower warned
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Speaker 1: the jet that the object was getting closer, it seemed
34:42
Speaker 1: to play a cat-and-mouse game with the jet involving some
34:46
Speaker 1: rapid accelerations. And according to Hynek, during this incident, the
34:52
Speaker 1: following conversation ensued between the controller in Albuquerque and the
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Speaker 1: National Jet Airlines. The control tower said, do you want
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Speaker 1: to report a UFO? And the pilot of the National
35:08
Speaker 1: Airlines jet replied, no. Then Albuquerque control asked the pilot
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Speaker 1: of the Learjet, do you want to report a UFO?
35:18
Speaker 1: And the pilot of the Learjet replied, no, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to report. At this point, the object took off
35:26
Speaker 1: at a 30 degree angle upward and accelerated at super
35:31
Speaker 1: high speeds and was out of view in less than
35:35
Speaker 1: 10 seconds. So J. Allen Hynek pointed out this case
35:41
Speaker 1: in particular as an example of how attitudes toward UFOs
35:46
Speaker 1: can affect the reactions of the witness. So once again,
35:50
Speaker 1: it is the Air Force's policy of ignoring and ridiculing
35:57
Speaker 1: witnesses that led them to not want to report it.
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Speaker 1: It's quite a shame. It's an important case that deserves
36:05
Speaker 1: to be really well known. So that's case 14. Definitely
36:10
Speaker 1: a substantial case. Now we move to case number 13.
36:17
Speaker 1: For 13, I chose a disabled UFO. There are not
36:22
Speaker 1: many cases of apparently disabled UFOs. This is one of them,
36:28
Speaker 1: and it comes from Jim and Coral Lorenzen. It's quite
36:31
Speaker 1: a fascinating case, and that's why I gave it number
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Speaker 1: 13 on this list. On June 26, 1962, UFO researchers
36:41
Speaker 1: Jim and Coral Lorenzen received a UFO report coming from
36:44
Speaker 1: their hometown of Tucson. The witnesses were two brothers, John
36:49
Speaker 1: and James Westmoreland, who were camping out in the backyard
36:53
Speaker 1: of their home with their friend, Ronnie Black. John was
36:58
Speaker 1: 14 years old and James and Ronnie were both 11
37:02
Speaker 1: years old. Around 9 p.m. on that evening, they noticed
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Speaker 1: what appeared to be an unusually bright star. It seemed
37:11
Speaker 1: to move slowly, becoming lower and lower in the sky,
37:15
Speaker 1: and when it became stationary, they lost interest. And this
37:20
Speaker 1: object remained in place for at least two hours. And
37:23
Speaker 1: it was around 11.45 p.m., began to descend again, moving
37:29
Speaker 1: so close, so low, that the witnesses were able to
37:33
Speaker 1: discern a triangular shape. And at this point, it suddenly
37:37
Speaker 1: emitted three smaller green objects, which darted away. And at
37:42
Speaker 1: the same time, another object swooped down and hovered in
37:46
Speaker 1: place above the first. So naturally the boys were amazed
37:51
Speaker 1: and watched the first object emit another three green objects
37:56
Speaker 1: which went into the second object. And next, the second
38:02
Speaker 1: object moved close enough that the witnesses could see what
38:06
Speaker 1: appeared to be some type of landing gear. And the
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Speaker 1: second object retrieved one more of the smaller green objects
38:15
Speaker 1: from the first, and then it slowly faded away. And
38:20
Speaker 1: now a third object appeared, this time close enough to
38:23
Speaker 1: see a white cone-shaped superstructure above a round aerofoil. The
38:29
Speaker 1: boys watched as a small door opened from underneath and
38:34
Speaker 1: three objects were emitted. It moved lower, and a cable
38:39
Speaker 1: was lowered for about five minutes and then drawn back up.
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Speaker 1: into the craft carrying a large dark object. The door
38:47
Speaker 1: closed and the object moved upward and to the east
38:52
Speaker 1: until it was out of sight. So Jim and Coral
38:55
Speaker 1: Lorenzen were very much impressed by this report. They questioned
38:59
Speaker 1: the boys extensively and concluded that the third and closest
39:03
Speaker 1: object was about an estimated 80 feet in diameter and
39:08
Speaker 1: a quarter mile from the witnesses. They also concluded concluded
39:13
Speaker 1: that the object seen being pulled back up into the
39:17
Speaker 1: object was the same size as the smaller ships that
39:20
Speaker 1: they had seen. So the Lorenzans seriously considered the possibility
39:28
Speaker 1: that this was a disabled UFO UFO being retrieved by
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Speaker 1: a mother ship and as they write and I quote
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Speaker 1: in view of presence of the smaller objects we can
39:40
Speaker 1: theorize at some time or another one had become disabled
39:44
Speaker 1: and lost a search was initiated and and a recovery
39:49
Speaker 1: eventually affected. The latter phase of the observations, in which
39:54
Speaker 1: a device was lowered to the ground and retracted to
39:56
Speaker 1: the third saucer at the end of it, could have
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Speaker 1: been that recovery. This idea may be further supported by
40:04
Speaker 1: the saucer's prompt departure after the object was taken aboard.
40:10
Speaker 1: Recovery of the object from the wash may have been
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Speaker 1: the sole purpose of the presence of the saucers that night.
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Speaker 1: So whether or not this was an actual recovery operation
40:24
Speaker 1: of a disabled UFO is still a matter of speculation,
40:28
Speaker 1: but this is what Jim and Coral Lorenzen of APRO,
40:32
Speaker 1: the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, thought, considered. It's a very
40:39
Speaker 1: interesting case, to say the least, and I think it
40:41
Speaker 1: definitely deserves a place on this list. So yeah, as
40:45
Speaker 1: you can see, it's quite an amazing case, case number 13.
40:49
Speaker 1: And moving along, we now move to case number 12.
40:54
Speaker 1: And for case number 12, I chose Blue Book case
40:59
Speaker 1: number 2388, Unidentified. This involves a weatherman, a very credible witness,
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Speaker 1: who had quite an incredible encounter involving two UFOs, which
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Speaker 1: he viewed through a theodolite. I think you'll find this
41:18
Speaker 1: quite interesting. So this next case took place at Yuma, Arizona,
41:25
Speaker 1: at 1.50 p.m. on February 4, 1953. Now, as we
41:31
Speaker 1: have seen, most Blue Book cases that were labeled unidentified
41:36
Speaker 1: involve witnesses of high credibility, and that's certainly true in
41:40
Speaker 1: this case. The main witness is weather observer Stanley Brown,
41:46
Speaker 1: and he was using a theodolite, which is a camera
41:50
Speaker 1: attached to a telescope, and he was tracking a balloon.
41:55
Speaker 1: A theodolite allows the observer to sort of triangulate an
42:00
Speaker 1: object and measure its size and distance and movement. And
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Speaker 1: as Stanley Brown is observing this balloon through a theodolite,
42:12
Speaker 1: to his amazement, he saw two UFOs approach right close
42:18
Speaker 1: to this balloon perhaps to investigate it. And as Stanley
42:24
Speaker 1: Brown wrote in a written statement to the Air Force,
42:28
Speaker 1: and I quote, I saw one object going upward and
42:33
Speaker 1: curving to the left. Although it moved rapidly, I was
42:37
Speaker 1: able to see it clearly and follow the flight. About
42:41
Speaker 1: 30 seconds after sighting the first object, a second object
42:44
Speaker 1: came into the field and swooped upward and and across
42:48
Speaker 1: the path of the first object. The first object flew
42:52
Speaker 1: toward the west, while the second object swooped across or
42:56
Speaker 1: near the path of the first object three or four times,
43:00
Speaker 1: going out of the field about two times for a moment.
43:05
Speaker 1: The two objects passed near the lower portion of the
43:08
Speaker 1: sun and were traveling westward, the second object below and
43:12
Speaker 1: behind the first object, when a cirrus cloud came into
43:17
Speaker 1: the theodolite field, and I lost sight of the two objects.
43:24
Speaker 1: The objects were both the same size, almost round, a solid, dull,
43:30
Speaker 1: pure white color with a thin mist completely edging around
43:35
Speaker 1: each object. I am absolutely certain of what I have seen.
43:42
Speaker 1: So Stanley Brown says he observed these objects for about
43:45
Speaker 1: five minutes until they were lost in the clouds. And
43:49
Speaker 1: after being investigated by Project Blue Book, they were unable
43:53
Speaker 1: to come up with any explanation for what this object
43:59
Speaker 1: might be. And it's one of very few cases that
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Speaker 1: made their unidentified list in Arizona. And again, this is
44:06
Speaker 1: case number 2388. quite an amazing case and now we
44:14
Speaker 1: move to case number 11 the last one for this
44:17
Speaker 1: part one episode and for case number 11 i chose
44:23
Speaker 1: congresswoman isabel greenway king sees a ufo there are not
44:30
Speaker 1: a lot of cases of government officials seeing ufos but
44:35
Speaker 1: this is one of them it's virtually unknown I think
44:38
Speaker 1: it should be much more well-known than it is, and
44:41
Speaker 1: that's why I gave it the number 11 slot on
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Speaker 1: this list. I think you'll find it quite interesting. On
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Speaker 1: September 6, 1952, in Tucson, Congresswoman Isabella Greenway King, who was,
44:56
Speaker 1: by the way, Arizona's first female congresswoman, she observed a UFO.
45:04
Speaker 1: It was at precisely 4.55 p.m., and she was no
45:09
Speaker 1: longer a congresswoman at this point, but she and her
45:14
Speaker 1: friend Bill McLean observed an orange tear-shaped object overhead. According
45:22
Speaker 1: to the witnesses, it first whirled on its vertical axis,
45:27
Speaker 1: then descended very quickly, stopped, and began whirling in the
45:31
Speaker 1: opposite direction and retraced its path upward. It was a
45:37
Speaker 1: pretty brief sighting, but definitely unexplained. And Blue Book officers
45:43
Speaker 1: were called in to investigate. And after interviewing the witnesses
45:48
Speaker 1: and investigating the incident in detail, Blue Book officers were
45:52
Speaker 1: totally stumped. They could not identify it. And it became
45:56
Speaker 1: another one of the cases in Arizona that they labeled unidentified.
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Speaker 1: And that's Blue Book case number 201. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: That's case number 20 all the way to case number 11.
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Speaker 1: I did cover all of these cases in my book,
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Speaker 1: UFOs Over Arizona. And next week I will be covering
46:24
Speaker 1: case number 10 all the way to number 1. And
46:28
Speaker 1: I think you'll find that even more interesting. I certainly
46:31
Speaker 1: hope so. But that's it for now. I hope you
46:35
Speaker 1: found that interesting. And I want to thank you very
46:39
Speaker 1: much for watching. I truly appreciate it. Until next time,
46:44
Speaker 1: keep searching for the truth, keep asking questions, and keep
46:48
Speaker 1: having fun.