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Well ... he's back. · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 3: So Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 3: We did it, guys. We did it. It's Monday afternoon,
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  Speaker 3: East Coast time, and in the words of Florida Congressman
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  Speaker 3: Byron Donalds, daddy's home. The lame duck presidency of our
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  Speaker 3: oldest and first criminally convicted chief executive has begun as
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  Speaker 3: former President Donald J. Trump just became current President Donald J. Trump.
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  Speaker 3: during a ceremony held in the very place the mob
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  Speaker 3: he incited four years ago tried to overturn the election
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  Speaker 3: he lost. What a country. Tommy Lovett and I are
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  Speaker 3: here at the SiriusXM studios in snowy New York. Dan
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  Speaker 3: is joining us remotely from rebel-held San Francisco. Obviously, lots
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  Speaker 3: to go through here, but let's just start with the speech.
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  Speaker 3: The inaugural address was moved inside the Capitol building because
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  Speaker 3: of extreme cold, and maybe as a result of that,
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing felt A little bit more like a
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  Speaker 3: State of the Union address than a traditional inaugural. Let's
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  Speaker 3: listen to some of the clips.
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  Speaker 6: My recent election is a mandate to completely and totally
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  Speaker 6: reverse a horrible betrayal and all of these many betrayals
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  Speaker 6: that have taken place and to give the people back
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  Speaker 6: their faith, their wealth, their democracy, and indeed their freedom.
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  Speaker 6: From this moment on, America's decline is over. January 20th,
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  Speaker 6: 2025 is Liberation Day. As we gather today, our government
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  Speaker 6: confronts a crisis of trust. For many years, a radical
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  Speaker 6: and corrupt establishment has extracted power and wealth from our
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  Speaker 6: citizens while the pillars of our society lay broken. Many
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  Speaker 6: people thought It was impossible for me to stage such
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  Speaker 6: a historic political comeback. But as you see today, here
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  Speaker 6: I am. The American people have spoken.
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  Speaker 2: Here I am.
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  Speaker 3: The American people have spoken. Can't argue with that. Dan,
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  Speaker 3: let's start with you. Thoughts on the speech?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just the whole thing was so surreal, right?
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  Speaker 5: As you pointed out in your opening, you have Donald
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  Speaker 5: Trump standing in the Capitol, the He delivers this speech,
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  Speaker 5: which in some ways feels like you say it feels
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  Speaker 5: like State of the Union because he's in the Capitol.
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  Speaker 5: It also felt like a State of the Union in
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  Speaker 5: the sense that it was a laundry list of policy
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  Speaker 5: ideas sort of woven together in a very incoherent fashion.
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  Speaker 5: And you take the words, if you just read the
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  Speaker 5: transcript of the speech, it reads like the words of
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  Speaker 5: a fascist dictator, but delivered with the energy and cadence
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  Speaker 5: of a middle manager at a sales conference. Like just
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  Speaker 5: very low energy speech. And we would soon learn why,
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  Speaker 5: because then he would go give a second speech moments
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  Speaker 5: later where he just did the full shtick, all the
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  Speaker 5: things he wanted to say, did the whole Trump routine.
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  Speaker 5: This was the speech for the aides who told him
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  Speaker 5: to be disciplined.
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  Speaker 7: I guess.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, not a great speech.
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  Speaker 3: Love it. What'd you think as a speechwriter yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, yeah, as a speechwriter, I was disappointed. So
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  Speaker 4: there was a moment when before Trump even got up
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  Speaker 4: there when Franklin Graham got up there to give, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what it's technically called, invocation, convocation. And he said,
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  Speaker 4: the last four years have been very dark, which is
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  Speaker 4: just not what you would typically say in a moment
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  Speaker 4: like this, especially since Joe Biden is sitting right behind him.
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  Speaker 3: That woke him up.
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  Speaker 4: It did.
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  Speaker 2: And you had- Just kidding.
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  Speaker 4: It did. No, he was up.
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  Speaker 2: He was up.
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  Speaker 4: He was focused. But it's very, look, like the inaugural-
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  Speaker 4: Address is meant to be, I mean, he like kind
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  Speaker 4: of tilts at it being this unifying event. But first
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  Speaker 4: of all, this is a speech taking place in a
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  Speaker 4: weekend of political rallies and was immediately politicized by the
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  Speaker 4: reverend meant to be doing a kind of religious invocation.
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  Speaker 4: And so he gave basically a version of his stump speech.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, it was the one, the stump speech version
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  Speaker 4: when he takes out all the stuff that they beg
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  Speaker 4: him to take out, which they successfully got him to
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  Speaker 4: take out, which he does later. But it was still
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  Speaker 4: a stump speech, still a deeply political and small speech
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  Speaker 4: for inauguration.
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  Speaker 2: Tommy?
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  Speaker 1: January 20th, 2025 is Liberation Day. It's just a giant
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  Speaker 1: Bill Pullman ripoff from Independence Day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no aliens.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you, first of all.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny also that Dan criticized Trump for being too wonky,
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  Speaker 1: too policy focused. Didn't expect that. I sort of had
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  Speaker 1: a similar reaction. It was sort of remarkable in how
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  Speaker 1: unremarkable it was. My memory of the 2017 inaugural address
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  Speaker 1: is all that one line about American carnage. And then
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  Speaker 1: I rewatched that speech again. after I watched the 2025 version.
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  Speaker 1: And it's actually amazing how similar the two speeches are.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to make America great again. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: protect our borders. Some hand waving about unity. He updates
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  Speaker 1: this one with new, more modern grievances, like the judicial
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  Speaker 1: system being weaponized, the battle against inflation, and the need
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  Speaker 1: to invade Panama. But there's like verbatim lines at the top.
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  Speaker 1: Like in 2017, he said, for too long, a small
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  Speaker 1: group in our nation's capital have reaped the rewards of
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  Speaker 1: government while the people have borne the cost. 2025, for
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  Speaker 1: many years, a radical and corrupt establishment has extracted power
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  Speaker 1: and wealth from our citizens while the pillars of our
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  Speaker 1: society lay broken and seemingly in complete disrepair. So it was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just kind of like stump-like, the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: I did note, though, for all of Joe Biden's attempts
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  Speaker 1: and efforts to be a decent person and have a
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  Speaker 1: dignified transfer of power, Trump still took a dump on
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  Speaker 1: his entire presidency and existence right next to him. So
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  Speaker 1: that was kind of him, cordial of him.
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  Speaker 3: Gracious, gracious. It does feel like this speech, as much
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  Speaker 3: as I didn't care for the content that much of
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  Speaker 3: the speech, I kind of like the trend overall of
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  Speaker 3: getting away from the sweeping rhetoric of an inaugural address
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  Speaker 3: that's like meant for the history books and just like
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  Speaker 3: getting right to business. He didn't quite do that completely.
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  Speaker 3: Like half of it was the Stephen Miller sort of
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  Speaker 3: cliched fascism, I'll call it. That's the sort of Stephen
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  Speaker 3: Miller style. It's like, Proud Boys crossing the Delaware. It's
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  Speaker 3: a fascistic rhetoric that's not like we've all heard before.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not a lot of creativity behind it. It's
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  Speaker 3: just sort of lame. And then it just got like
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  Speaker 3: very specific, very, very quickly. But to me, that's like
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  Speaker 3: a little more modern, you know, like the next Democratic president.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like them just to get to business. Just talk
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  Speaker 3: to just talk about what they're going to do for
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  Speaker 3: the country.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. What I was really feeling when I was watching
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  Speaker 4: him speak is, oh, eight years ago when Trump addressed
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  Speaker 4: the country, he did it really kind of unsurely. of
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  Speaker 4: what it meant to be president and what rules he
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  Speaker 4: had to respect and what rules he didn't, what customs
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  Speaker 4: he believed in and had value in, which customs he didn't.
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  Speaker 4: And now I do think he, like, these speeches that
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  Speaker 4: are for everybody, he just doesn't give a fuck about them.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't care what the media says. He doesn't care
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  Speaker 4: how they're covered. He doesn't really see much of the
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  Speaker 4: value of it. Donald Trump gave two speeches. He gave
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  Speaker 4: his inaugural and then he went to this overflow. His
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  Speaker 4: speech at the overflow, where he really let rip, was
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  Speaker 4: over 30, right? That was the real Donald Trump. This
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  Speaker 4: is the Donald Trump he has to do once in
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  Speaker 4: a while for the squares.
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  Speaker 3: Not for nothing. It was also the most like self-involved,
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  Speaker 3: self-referential inaugural of all time, maybe. I think that beats
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  Speaker 3: his first, but I don't know, Tommy, you just listened
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  Speaker 3: to the first one again. So you tell me if
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  Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but like talks about the assassination attempt, fine.
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  Speaker 3: But then, You know, it is my hope that our
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  Speaker 3: recent presidential election will be remembered as the greatest and
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  Speaker 3: most consequential election in the history of our country.
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  Speaker 4: First inaugural to reference swing states, I imagine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he starts talking about swing states, his election results.
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  Speaker 3: They tried to take away my freedom and my life. Again,
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  Speaker 3: he conflates him breaking the law and then people trying
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  Speaker 3: to investigate him with an assassin that had apparently no
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  Speaker 3: political leanings, really, that just tried to take his life.
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  Speaker 3: So it's very... You know, he's focused on what's important,
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  Speaker 3: which is him.
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  Speaker 5: He said he's on a mission from God to save America.
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  Speaker 3: You think, yeah. So you want to say there's a
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  Speaker 3: dose of humility.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: No, I thought so. Speech wasn't the only component of
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  Speaker 3: the weekend's big celebration. He also did a big victory
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  Speaker 3: rally at Capital One Arena on Sunday. That also served
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  Speaker 3: as the overflow room for most people to watch the address,
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  Speaker 3: unless you were, a member of the incoming cabinet, leadership
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  Speaker 3: in Congress, former president, and of course, a billionaire tech
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  Speaker 3: founder or CEO. Those are the people who got the
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  Speaker 3: good seats. Trump swung by the overflow room afterwards to
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  Speaker 3: say hi, signed some executive orders. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about that. We're room, which is longer than the 29-minute
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  Speaker 3: inaugural address, which also, by the way, I guess is
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  Speaker 3: the longest inaugural address since Roosevelt in the modern era,
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  Speaker 3: which is wild. There were also a lot of balls,
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  Speaker 3: big parties, Snoop performed, Peter Thiel held a ball, Mark
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  Speaker 3: Zuckerberg held a party, CEO of TikTok had a party.
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  Speaker 3: What do you guys think of this, the weekend in
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  Speaker 3: general and sort of the optics of the event, the vibes,
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  Speaker 3: the vibes in Washington this weekend? Anyone have any thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think moving all the events inside and
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  Speaker 1: only doing things with tech CEOs and billionaire donors while
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  Speaker 1: the MAGA faithful have nothing to do or go to
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  Speaker 1: some giant arena where they get ignored, that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a perfect metaphor for how I imagine this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is going to go.
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  Speaker 3: And look, if history is any good, you want to
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  Speaker 3: keep those folks busy, especially in D.C.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. Well, there were Proud Boys marching through the streets.
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  Speaker 4: Idle hands, devil's playground.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I do think this is why you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing like the Steve Bannon fight against Elon Musk and
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  Speaker 1: the tech oligarchs, because they're worried that their populism is
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  Speaker 1: erasing the minute.
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  Speaker 2: The votes were counted. And they're not wrong.
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  Speaker 4: This weekend is the, you know, he's about to take office.
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  Speaker 4: It's his final chance to do open corruption before he's
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  Speaker 4: actually president so that the corruption he can do while
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  Speaker 4: president begins. But it felt like the end of any
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  Speaker 4: kind of pretense that he's not going to just be
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  Speaker 4: openly corrupt and basically sell access to the White House
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  Speaker 4: to these people. I mean, that's what this weekend was.
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  Speaker 4: It was a big sale. And I was thinking like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: like maybe he's maybe he's sort of empathetic to people
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  Speaker 4: who like waiters and servers who work for tips because
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be the first president that does work
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  Speaker 4: for tips, which I think that is exciting. Don't forget
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  Speaker 4: to tip your president, which is, I think, the motto
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  Speaker 4: of this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: He just wants to be a host.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. He loves it. It's just the tip presidency. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the tip presidency.
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  Speaker 5: Pod title?
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  Speaker 3: Workshop in that.
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  Speaker 2: Stan's idea.
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  Speaker 3: Workshop in that. One other notable moment to that end
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  Speaker 3: in the speech, he referenced the fires in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: at one point. Apparently, he's going to Los Angeles on Friday. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he brought up the fires. He also brought
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  Speaker 3: up Hurricane Helene because he wanted to basically show that
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  Speaker 3: leadership that's not him is incompetent and all that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. But he also said this when he was
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  Speaker 3: talking about the fires.
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  Speaker 6: Or more recently, Los Angeles, where we're watching fires still
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  Speaker 6: tragically burn from weeks ago without even a token of defense.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: They're raging through the houses and communities, even affecting some
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  Speaker 6: of the wealthiest and most powerful individuals in our country,
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  Speaker 6: some of whom are sitting here right now.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a home any longer.
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  Speaker 6: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That is interesting. Who is he talking about that lost
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  Speaker 3: a home that was on the dais?
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that natural disasters could harm rich people.
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  Speaker 2: That is his point of information. That's exactly what he said.
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  Speaker 5: Legitimate shock that the rich and powerful could be affected
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  Speaker 5: by something like this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it's somewhat reassuring to know that
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  Speaker 4: we have oligarchs in Los Angeles, because at least that
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  Speaker 4: means we'll have to get some protection from the federal
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  Speaker 4: government if we need it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's summer house in Malibu probably got hit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think we're getting protection from... I don't think...
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  Speaker 3: I think they're going to hire their own protection.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's right. But yeah, it was just sort of.
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  Speaker 2: It was a weird line.
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  Speaker 4: Well, just a reminder, like... That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Also, it was a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like, oh, maybe someone started it to target them. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that was my takeaway in the moment.
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  Speaker 4: What I took away from it was there's some rich
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  Speaker 4: person there who may have lost their house, which is terrible.
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  Speaker 4: And this is how Donald Trump governs. Someone nearby him
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  Speaker 4: told him this story, and now he is recounting it.
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  Speaker 3: He literally thinks it's interesting. Maybe we're reading too much.
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  Speaker 3: He just thinks it's interesting. And whether it's.
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  Speaker 4: Flipping on TikTok or any other policies that are going
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  Speaker 4: to come out of this administration, they are going to
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  Speaker 4: run through a gauntlet of rich people talking to Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump directly about them casually in the places Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: hangs out with his biggest backers. And that's what I
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  Speaker 4: took from this.
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  Speaker 1: He also said that in the overflow speech that maybe
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi wanted January 6th to happen, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: she turned down the 10,000 troops he says he offered
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  Speaker 1: and noted that she's guilty as hell. So that was
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  Speaker 1: said in the Capitol where the insurrection happened four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: He says she was guilty.
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  Speaker 5: Of a crime. Just to be clear, not just like
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  Speaker 5: morally guilty. He called it a criminal offense.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get to the overflow room speech at
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  Speaker 3: the end. It's a good one. So speech is pretty
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  Speaker 3: light on foreign policy. Trump welcomed the Israel-Gaza ceasefire deal,
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  Speaker 3: said the usual stuff about defending our own borders instead
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  Speaker 3: of other countries' borders and blah, blah, blah. Nothing new there.
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  Speaker 3: But he also made what sounded like some conflicting promises.
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  Speaker 4: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 6: My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I want to be, a peacemaker.
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  Speaker 7: And a unifier.
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  Speaker 6: A short time from now, we are going to be
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  Speaker 6: changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the
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  Speaker 6: Gulf of America. China is operating the Panama Canal, and
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  Speaker 6: we didn't give it to China. We gave it to Panama,
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  Speaker 6: and we're taking it back.
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  Speaker 3: Tommy, is China operating the Panama Canal?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 1: The Panama Canal Authority, it's a semi-autonomous government entity controlled
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  Speaker 1: by Panama.
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  Speaker 2: Operates the canal. There are.
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  Speaker 1: ports and infrastructure getting built by the chinese on either
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  Speaker 1: side of the canal uh panama is one of the
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  Speaker 1: countries that signed a deal with china for the bell
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  Speaker 1: and robe initiative so maybe he's referring to.
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  Speaker 2: That but there are a lot of factual errors in
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  Speaker 2: this part of the speech he.
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  Speaker 1: Says the united states lost 38 000 lives in the
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  Speaker 1: building of the panama canal most of the deaths happened
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  Speaker 1: during the french.
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  Speaker 3: Construction portion such a good fact check.
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  Speaker 1: They quit on but also well uh Also, the people
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  Speaker 1: who did the work were from the Caribbean. They were
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  Speaker 1: not American citizens. They were people who were basically indentured
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  Speaker 1: servants doing this work.
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  Speaker 4: Several thousand Americans died, but it's not 38,000.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not 38,000. Not even close.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: So I guess.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I'm for this. I think we should take the Panama
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Canal back.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: You want it back?
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: By force.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Let's hope it doesn't come to that. But that's not
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: really up to us.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Why do you want it back?
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: We built it. And then Jimmy Carter, may his memory
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: be a blessing, just gives it back because of some protests.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: We're taking it back.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: What if France takes the Statue of Liberty back?
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: They can try. What are they going to do? What
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: are they going to do?
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Do a lot of eggs go through the Panama Canal?
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I'm just wondering. Through the price of eggs? The price
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: of eggs? Is that how we're lowering inflation?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I guess so.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Speeding more things through the Panama Canal?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: A huge chunk of American shipping goes through the Panama Canal.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: It has gotten more expensive, but that's mostly because of drought.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: People usually attribute to climate change, not China.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Listen, Donald Trump is pretty clear about this. He is
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: very comfortable with the Chinese government controlling the brains of
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: America's young people, but not the canal.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Do you see the TikTok CEO sitting next to Tulsi Gabbard,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the future director of national intelligence?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: What a country.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: What a country.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: What a time.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Dan, what do you think, just from a public opinion perspective,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: how do you think the country is clamoring for A
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: new name for the Gulf of Mexico. He also said
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: it's going to be Mount McKinley again. It was Denali,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Mount Denali for a while.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: We're saying Mount McKinley again.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: We're saying Mount McKinley again. We're saying Merry Christmas again.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: We're saying Gulf of America for the first time. We're
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: seizing Panama, hopefully not by force if necessary. But we're
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: not ruling it out. But we're not ruling it out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Greenland.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Greenland got the shaft in this speech. Didn't hear anything
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: about Greenland. Nothing about the 51st state either and Justin Trudeau.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: outgoing prime minister. Dan, what do you think? Is this
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: what people wanted when they voted in November?
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Well, fortunately for us, John, we have polling that shows
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: that 57% of Americans oppose Donald Trump using coercion, either
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: military or economic, to seize the Panama Canal back.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: So Trump and Lovett on the wrong side of that one.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Similar numbers on Greenland. American people are not interested in
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Greenland or the Panama Canal.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I heard a talk once about Greenland and how harsh
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: and unforgiving climate there, obviously. It isn't green, and I
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: hope someone tells Trump that soon. But that person in
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: this sort of Danish accent said, describing the mile-high glaciers
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: and the impossible conditions, and was asked what would happen
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: if someone invaded Greenland. And he said, if someone were
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to invade Greenland, we'd immediately rescue them.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Another kind of foreign policy Jason won is he's going
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to designate drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. And I'm
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: just very interested to see what that means in practice.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Cause there's lots of reporting about connections between the Mexican
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: government and the cartels elected officials or the Mexican military.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And these cartels, I want to know, are they going
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to get tagged with providing material support? Are we going
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to go back to the campaign rhetoric where we all
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: were talking about, um, using the U.S. military to bomb Mexico,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: bomb the cartel drug manufacturing facilities.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like they're already going to be down
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: in Panama, so kind of a pincer move.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess my, like, we'll talk about this later,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: but my modus operandi for Trump 2.0 is to take
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it all literally and assume he's going to do these things.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So if we're going to call them terrorists, presumably then
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you kill the terrorists because that's usually what you do
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: with terrorists if you're an American government.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So stay tuned.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I would just say, Tommy, this is the entire plot
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: line of Special Ops Lioness Season 2. It doesn't end
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: well for anyone. What is that?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Is that a video game? Is that a TV show?
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: That is, it's on Paramount Plus, Taylor Sheridan show.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: For the makers of Yellowstone.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Got it. It's also adjacent to- Elite.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Tommy Vitor just watching his prestige TV.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Well, Dan's- Enjoy Severance, you elite prick. We're watching, Dan
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: and I are watching Yellowstone.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: What was it? Was it Lioness 2? What was it called?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: It is also the plot of Clear and Present Danger,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: which is a movie where the whole plot revolves around
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: once the American people find out, they'll be hell to pay,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: which is a simpler term.
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  Speaker 3: the whole Panama thing, how does this work? What are
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the options here outside of the military force? He tries
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to levy tariffs on Panama, economic pressure. I don't understand.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I think that Greenland, he really does want the territory.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I think with Panama, he's probably just trying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: To get a better deal, a better rate.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But as far as I can— I looked into this a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago when he started talking about it again.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I think that they are charging us the same rate
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: as everyone else, this ACP, the Panama Canal Authority.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And there is a company based in Hong Kong that
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: won a bid to control some aspect of shipping, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: they charge everybody. I think this is all kind of
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: a bullshit way of describing what is ultimately a commercial debate, right?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I think the- Big, big picture on this is Trump's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: brain was frozen in the 70s. And he remembers when
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Reagan used to attack Jimmy Carter over the Panama Canal
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: all the time. And it was a huge political issue.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And he's just bringing it back.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And there was a mention of manifest destiny in the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: speech again. That was about we're going to Mars.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Sick.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Elon was very excited behind him. We're going to Mars.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: We're taking Greenland. We're taking Panama. You can tell that
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: he is serious about all right, I'm a lame duck president.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: What's my legacy going to be? I want to name,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I've named buildings Trump my whole life. Now I want
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to name large land masses Trump and take them over
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: for America. It seems like that's a vibe that he's
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: quite serious about.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: And I think it's the kind of thing where like
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a studio during pilot season, he's going to throw a
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: couple pitches out there and hope one becomes a hit.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Much like Lioness.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, much like Lioness season two.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Tommy, what's the process for renaming the Gulf of Mexico?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I think Lovett was Googling this feverishly during the speech.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Don't tell people how the magic happens.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: As I said to that professor on the phone beforehand,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: it seems like he can unilaterally name things, but other
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: countries don't have to recognize them. He can just order
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the federal government's maps and so forth to identify the
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Gulf of Mexico as the Gulf of America. But that
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean other countries are going to suddenly print Gulf
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: of America.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Well, then they'll be pretty sorry once they're invaded.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: When we were laughing, what did Claudia Sheinbaum, the new
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: president of Mexico, threaten to call the United States like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: greater Mexico or something?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Mexico-America? Mexican-America? Something like that?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: A little nationalism meeting nationalism.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Good for her. Trump did spend a lot of the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: speech laying out his plans for signing a slew of
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: long-rumored executive orders, which he described this way.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Today I will sign a series of historic executive orders.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: With these actions, we will begin the complete restoration of
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: America and the revolution of common sense. It's all about
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: common sense.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I think Biden chuckled at that one, the common sense,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: which good for him.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: He should.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: So here are just a few of the ones he
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: talked about and the ones that have been reported. Some
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: he has already signed. Some he's in the process of signing.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Hard to tell. Eleven executive orders on the border alone,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: including ending birthright citizenship for the kids of undocumented immigrants.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: reinstating the Remain in Mexico policy, laying the groundwork to
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: send troops to the border, as Tommy mentioned, designating drug
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, and also invoking the Alien
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Enemies Act of 1798 to expedite the removal of foreign-born criminals.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: That's immigration. He also is going to sign an executive order, quote,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: declaring that there are only two genders, aiming to end
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: trans protections and the idea of gender identity within any
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: kind of federal government system. office, service, etc. So, for example,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: passports will only be to genders. He'll also require the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: prisoners in the federal system be housed according to their
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: sex at birth. He'll be declaring a national energy emergency,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: whatever that means, in order to expedite more drilling and
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: fossil fuel production and ending the electric vehicle mandate that
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: wasn't really a thing that he says is killing America.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: He's signing an EO creating the Department of Government Efficiency
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and or as we've all come to know and love it,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: as Doge, which, by the way, Vivek Ramaswamy, he's out
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: at Doge because he's running for governor of Ohio. Good luck, Ohio.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That's why he's out, yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Just think about how bad your fucking personality has
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: to be. That you are co-lead of something with Elon Musk,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: and everyone's like, one of these guys has to go,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: and it's you, Vivek.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Well, Little X was like, can you please stop carrying
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Vivek around on your shoulders?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That's my job.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: That's my spot.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So they got him a governorship.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I think he's just ambitious and wanted to be an
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: elected– he's dying to be an elected politician.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: There's been a ton of leaks out of the Doge
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: people that this.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Guy– But they don't like the– They don't like him.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: He was also B-team the whole time.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also he was– yeah. Well, I'm sure the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: people of Ohio– He's also begging DeWine to make him
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: the senator.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work out either. Ending all– Allegedly. Ending
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: all federal government DEI initiatives, including in the military. There
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: was also an order– he's saying in order to bring
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: down inflation. It's a whole-of-government approach. To bringing down inflation,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: because that's how it works. You just have to sign
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: an EO and then the inflation comes down.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Inflation's quivering in its boots.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Inflation is quivering in its boots. What do we know
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: about what here is real, what's new, what's impactful, what's
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: just for show? What do you think, Dan?
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, much of the immigration stuff is real. There
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: are really horrible stories you're hearing right now from people
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: who had appointments with CBP, people who are seeking asylum
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: at appointments for 1 p.m. today who had them canceled
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: at 12.01. The app that the Biden administration set up
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: so that people could set up their appointments, they shut
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: that down at 12.01 today. The birthright citizenship is potentially fake,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: but maybe not. Most legal scholars believe you cannot, the
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Constitution is pretty clear on this, and you cannot declare it.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: But the Trump administration can start thinking about it in
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: that way. And up until it goes through the court system,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: people can be affected by it. A lot of this
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: stuff is all, as you point out, it's just, it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: like Trump creates this fake reality and then he creates
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: a series of fake solutions to solve the fake problems
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: from the fake reality. Like you, the electric vehicle mandate,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: just declaring the government will stop censorship. We'll stop censoring things.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: All of that is really fake, but the immigration ones
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: I think are quite real.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Trump says it's liberation day. And then you look at
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: this swath of EOs and yes, there's sort of these
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: fake censorship ones, but for the most part, uh, There's
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: nothing you weren't free to do yesterday that you're free
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: to do today. There's nothing, I know, I love to
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: see the list of things that Trump MAGA people would
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: like to be free to do that they're not currently
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: able to do under the, under the yoke of Joe Biden.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: And so really what liberation day.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: You can buy a Trump shit coin and a, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a Melania shit coin.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Right. But you, those are for sale before Trump even
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: took office. But, but it's more that like, well, what
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: does it really mean? What does liberation day mean? It
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: means you get to watch on television. All the people
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Trump has said are your enemies finally get their due.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: It's sort of a, It's like nothing good is happening
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: to you. Nothing better is happening for you. You're not
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: free to do anything different. It's that Trump is targeting
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: the enemies he's promised he was going to target. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: that gives you a wonderful, I guess, liberated feeling.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have saved a lot of time by
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: just signing one EO on liberal tears. Just watch the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: libs cry.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Can't spell Liberation Day without lib.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Can't spell a lot of things.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I mean. Like the Doge thing, I know they're trying
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to do like shock and awe, like a ton of
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: executive orders. Birthright citizenship, even conservative legal scholars don't think
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: this stands a chance.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Look, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: The 14th Amendment is very clear.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: And the only reason we're even entertaining it is because
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court has lost its mind. But it is
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: completely blitheringly obvious that this does not make sense, that
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: birthright citizenship is not something the president can eliminate with
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the stroke of a pen. The 14th Amendment is crystal clear. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, who knows? Because it's the Supreme Court. They
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: can always surprise you. But I'm watching more like, do
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: we get three votes for this? Do we get two
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: votes for this? Do we get one vote for this?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think Roberts goes with this. I don't think...
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Barrett and Kavanaugh go with this, but Alito, Gorsuch, and Thomas,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you never know. And who knows? Maybe we also thought
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: this on the fucking criminal immunity case and got surprised there,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: so who knows? But it seems this one is pretty clear.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Kavanaugh was there today and was looking... Rough.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I think he and Hegseth had a night.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: That's a joke. That's a joke.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It could have been a night of just dancing.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Revelry. Fellowship.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: They might have danced a lot. Trump did not mention
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: the TikTok ban in his speech, but he previously said
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: he would sign an executive order delaying enforcement of the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: law banning it in the U.S. This after TikTok users
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: spent the weekend with access only to messages from the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: app praising President Trump, even though he wasn't president yet,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: for his valiant efforts to save the service. Trump Truthed.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Save TikTok. Of course, he was once for the ban.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Now he's trying to save it. Then TikTok's now back
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: for people. It's all in limbo right now. But basically,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the law says it gives the president the authority to
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: delay the implementation of the ban by 60 or 90
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: days if there is a potential deal in the offing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like there is a potential deal, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it seems like they're just going with this anyway. The
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Biden administration had said in their final days, we're not
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: going to enforce the law. So TikTok can remain operational.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Which is cool, by the way. Cool.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Right. And then TikTok being like, we don't want Biden
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to say that we can be operational and not get
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: people's attention. So we're going to do a stunt and
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: shut down. And it worked, of course. because everyone then
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: got everyone's attention, everyone at TikTok who hadn't been paying
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: attention about that. What do we think about this, Trump
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: being the savior of TikTok? Dan, I know you wrote
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: a box on this.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't think this is going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: be the thing that defines his presidency, but he played,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: put us, we can talk about the national security concerns,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: we can talk about the dangers of TikTok, but from
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: pure politics, he played it exactly right. And I think,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: I do think the Democrats fumbled.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And so did TikTok and the many Republican and Democratic
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: lobbyists they hired that have been working full time for them.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's really not that complicated that if you are,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: we're doing pure politics here, that if you're going to
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: take something of tremendous value from six and 10 voters
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: under 30, and then you never talk about why that
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: should happen from the moment you pass the law in
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: the dark of night until the day it disappears. Like
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: no one ever made the case for it. You know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Biden could have tried to make a public show as
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Trump did in the first administration of trying to facilitate
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: a deal. It's like they all passed this thing. They
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: passed it without really thinking about it. They didn't sell it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: They didn't make a case for it. And Trump understood
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: right away. I mean, for entirely... cynical, ridiculous reasons. We
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: understood the politics of it. Because at the time, a
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: lot of these Democrats voted for it, and Republicans too,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: because your choice was anger the youths or look soft
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: on China. And they defaulted to what was always theoretically
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: better politics, being tough on China. And there's just a
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: real difference between taking something that matters a lot to
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: a group of people. You and I used this example
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: with you on Friday. For voters of a certain age,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: taking away TikTok is like taking away cable TV from
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: us in our 20s. Like it just disappears one day.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: And that is– taking something away from someone is always
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: going to be worse politics than generically being tough or
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: soft on another country in a way that doesn't really
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: affect people. And so, I mean, from a political perspective,
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Trump did very well here. This is– he got a–
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: probably the most expensive free ad in American history to
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: have a push notification sent to 170 million Americans first
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: begging you to save the app and then crediting you
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: for saving it all within a 12-hour period.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: It's like– Yeah, profoundly frustrating 24 hours. I mean, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: thought Dan's piece on this in Messagebox, his newsletter, which
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you all should subscribe to.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Tommy. It was excellent.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: There was lots of less thoughtful commentary on Twitter about how,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: once again, Dems suck and Republicans rule because we gifted
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Trump this political win. And I just wish, and while
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that is true, the politics of this did not end
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: well for Joe Biden or the Democratic Party. I wish
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: people were pointing out, though, that the vote in the House...
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to ban was 360 to 58. So like 186 Republicans
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: voted for banning TikTok or divesting TikTok. It was 79,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: 18 in the Senate. So you had 31 Republicans in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the Senate. So this is a overwhelming bipartisan decision. The
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: reason they did it was national security concerns, which they've
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: done an absolutely terrible job explaining to anyone.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So no one understands why this happened.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: But I also think part of the story of how
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Trump went from wanting to ban TikTok and trying to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do it on his way out the door to getting
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to saving TikTok is also that he met with a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: big donor named Jeff Yass or Jeff Yass, who said
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: something to him that led him to flip-flop on this issue.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And I think Jeff Yass owns 15% of ByteDance, the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: parent company of TikTok. So there was a big money
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: angle here. And then TikTok wasn't shut down. They shut
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: themselves down preemptively so they could put up this little,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: please save us, Mr. Trump, that they shouted from their
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: tall tower. And then they gave him the win and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: they were like, oh, Mr. Trump saved us to suck
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: up to the incoming administration. So it was just like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it was so obviously a stunt and people were like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the commentary on Twitter in particular was just so fucking credulous.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I think that they, I don't even think it's, I mean,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there could be a money angle to it,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: but like, I'm sure Kellyanne Conway like talked to Donald
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Trump and was like, hey. one of the reasons you
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: won is because of TikTok and they love you on
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: TikTok now. And TikTok's a great place to get your
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: message out. And he's like, really? What's a TikTok? And
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: they're like, well, here it is. And he's like, you
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: know what? Sure.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I'm into it now.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But Jeff Yass bought like a ton of shares of
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Truth Social at the time and like put a bunch
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of money into the Trump team's pocket.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: So.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: I think it could be a why not both situation.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, my, like, it really is to me is
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: like just the as Joe Biden goes out the door,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: it's like just these three big problems. One of them
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: being like, the reason they did this was never communicated
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: and Joe Biden could never communicate it. They never made
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: the case. They passed it too quickly. It was always
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: these kind of vague invocations of, of national security without
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: explaining why then the same spyware was fine in the
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: hands of Americans. It was ever baffling.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: It's a perfect example of institutional failure.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's everything.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: It's every, that's, it's like, We're– and this is– it's
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans and Donald Trump doesn't care what the
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: fuck people think about Republicans either. You're right that like
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the lefties on Twitter who are mad about– who are
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: against the ban, right? Or like blaming Democrats because they
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: love blaming Democrats for everything and Democrats get blamed here.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I also think that like it is a Republican's fault.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Trump doesn't care if it's a bunch of Republicans going
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: to the bus too because he is separate from the
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: mass in Washington. But for the mass in Washington, the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: establishment in Washington that tried to work together in a
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: bipartisan way to do the right thing, it's just the
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: same story of the last however many years, which is
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: we know it's right. It is the right thing. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: they could be right. I'm persuaded that there's some national
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: security threats here too. But we don't need to tell you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: They never explained it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Just trust us. Trust us. No one trusts them, but
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: trust us.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And they made a big show of like declassifying all
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: this information around the Ukraine, Russian invasion of Ukraine. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: why not do that again here? You know, there's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: way to put information into people's hands.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: So that's one. So then you have two. You know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump teaches all these Republicans that you don't need
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: to have shame, that you can live without shame. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: they embrace it. And it is amazing how few guardrails
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: there are once the shame guardrail was gone. Now, this
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: moment is everybody outside of politics learning that lesson for themselves.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: All these tech companies and these guys realizing, wait, if
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I just kiss his ass, I get a bad op-ed
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: in the Washington Post and then I get everything I want.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I don't care about the Washington Post. I don't care
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: what the elite says anymore. All I have to do
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: is ignore it or pretend it doesn't bother me.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: He's got the power. They don't have the power. They
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: can't hurt me with their words.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: And so there was a time when people had a
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: certain amount of dignity. Where you might not, if you
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: lead a company, go into a room full of people
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: that work for you and say, put up a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: supplicating message that says Donald Trump has a huge penis
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: and how beautiful it is. And then we'll say that
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: we saw it ourselves and then he'll be happy.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: You're doing the Pornhub case?
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, boy, we have very different TikTok algorithms because that's
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: not the.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Message I got. But that TikTok is willing to put
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: up a ridiculous message like this and say, thank you, Mr. Trump.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: We used to make fun of the people that said,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: thank you, Mr.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Trump.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Now the biggest leaders in the American economy are doing it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Who I'm sure did not come up with the idea
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: on their own, which is not a really brilliant idea
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: to come up with. But again, they have had uh
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: republican and democratic consultants lobbyists they're all everyone in washington
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: is on tiktok's payroll they hired them all and it
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: is the easiest fucking money to make to go in
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: there and be like hey i got an idea just
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: say thank you donald trump.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: So then the third piece of it though the third
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: piece of it which is i think about like the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: difference between what it is like to be a democrat
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: online versus a republican online is when democrats do something
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: bad uh or Republicans criticize Democrats when they achieve something.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: When Democrats achieve something, Republicans attack Democrats. When a bipartisan
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: bill like this happens, the online left attacks Democrats. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: it's not, oh, this is actually Donald Trump. There's no
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: one making that argument. It's a bunch of people declaring,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: this is why Democrats are terrible. This is why Democrats
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: are terrible. And I agree they're terrible. But if we want, like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I agree with all of that. But like so much
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: of the time that you see these two things side
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: by side, which is how do Republicans get away with
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: this stuff?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: How do they do it? How do they do it?
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: And then you look at our media and it's a
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: bunch of people that are much more interested in being
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: part of the discourse of strategy than actually doing the attacking.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people saying, oh, Donald Trump's going
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to get credit for this, as opposed to a bunch
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: of people saying Donald Trump doesn't deserve credit for it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: And here's why.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Like we don't have there's like Republicans have so many
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: more soldiers in the social media wars than we do.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: We have analysts and we have observers. And and like
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: if you want to talk about how Donald Trump managed
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: to change politics so much over the last eight years
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: and how things are possible now that weren't possible for
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: it was that slow, and steady work of those people
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: making acceptable things that weren't acceptable. We just don't have
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: those people.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Fixed bayonets, love it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so internet, social.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: And there's, look, I think- I will, I'm ready. Digitally.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: There's actually a Steve.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Bannon thing, he always says, we're fixed bayonets, we're going
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: after this.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know the lingo.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: But I'm also somewhat like, I'm in complete agreement with
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Dan's message box, that the politics are what they are
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: for Democrats. And also, I'm for the ban. I think
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the ban is a good idea. I think that having
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the CCP control one of the largest media platforms that
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: 170 million people in the United States are on, that
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: is like melting their fucking brains, our brains. I'll include
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: myself there too, just to not, I don't want to
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: offend the youth. We're all part of it. Again, I
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: think it's bad.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, by law, ByteDance has to provide the Chinese
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Communist Party with whatever it wants, basically. And, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the broader context is the Chinese have hacked into basically
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: every single telecom company in the United States. We've been unable,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the United States government's been unable to get them out.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: We've learned over time that this op that's called Salt Typhoon,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: they've managed to get audio and text messages of calls
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: from Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, senior political officials. So there's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: this ongoing hacking war happening. And the idea that the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Chinese national security state wouldn't use TikTok.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: When it's on all our phones. Everyone just read the
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court opinion, the 9-0 Supreme Court opinion. ByteDance is...
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: collecting the content of private messages on TikTok. It is
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: also collecting the email and contact info of anyone in
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: your contacts, if you're using TikTok, their emails too. So
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: now the Chinese government, when they want to, can have
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: the names, location data, like what you're buying, email of
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: every single American. So like, again, maybe you're fine with that,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: but it's also a legitimate concern to address.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Right, but this to me is, so I, this is
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: the problem, right? And all of that would be okay
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: if it were in the hands of an American. And
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: to me, like, what I take away from.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: This- Yeah, we're a nation. That's why we have borders.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Right, but if we're talking about it, yes, it is
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: worse when China does it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm just saying.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: But we have accepted an incredible level of invasion by
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: these companies, which also should not be allowed. What I, like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: we went through a cycle of this with Facebook- in 2016,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: and then Elon Musk's Twitter and how that's changed and
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: misinformation on TikTok. And whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or Elon
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Musk or the Russians or the Chinese communists, what all
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: these people have learned is that if you throw a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: bunch of throwing stars and nunchucks and bayonets and knives
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: into the center of a digital circle, Americans will pick
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: them up and kill each other with them. And that
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: to me is still the problem, right? And so whether
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: people go from TikTok to fucking Reels, I don't like
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: that this.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a bigger problem.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: The law remains the law, right? Donald Trump's allowed to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: extend it, but they have to put it in other
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: people's hands. But the problem of misinformation... And the way
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: in which these technologies are fucking terrible for us continues.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, no one has Joe
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Biden to kick around anymore. And the people who are
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: now most opposed to Trump saving TikTok, Tom Cotton, Republican senator,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: has already posted. Mike Johnson on Meet the Press was
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: very like, we're going to try to, you know, the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: law is the law. Like, I do think he's going
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: to have at least at the beginning, like always, some
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Republican pushback on this. Yeah, Trump wants to force a
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: sale to someone more supportive of him, like Elon Musk.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I think the critics of this ban... are right to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: point out comments from senior U.S. government officials where they
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: said that like real momentum behind TikTok's ban came when
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: there was tons of pro-Palestinian content on there about Gaza.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And I do think that was sort of bizarre.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Stupid argument. U.S. government officials were making that argument. But anyway. Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: How about they, how about people do try something, make
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: the case for why it should be banned, just like
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: talk and like declassify or put, make public some of
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: these actual arguments that have clearly scared members of Congress
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes that we are still not seeing.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And again, Katonji Brown-Jackson and Sam Alito.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see that the billionaires got the second row
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: behind Trump?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: And then the cabinet gets the third row behind Trump.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: It's in a row of declining influence.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: The Republican governors were in the overflow.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Donald Trump, when Donald Trump went to the overflow,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: he started talking about Texas, and somebody shouted, he's here,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: he's here, he's in the room with you now.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: It's merit-based now, guys. That's one thing you should remember
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: about the second Trump term. Speaking of merit-based, I alluded
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to this earlier, but Trump did launch a Trump coin
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: over the weekend, and then Melania launched a Melania coin.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Like Kennedy and Jackie O.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Does anyone want to explain these meme coins, what they are,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: why they're a scam, what's going on?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: You're buying nothing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: You are technically buying a digital playing card, but it's
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: not supposed to be viewed as a security or an
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: investment or a donation to Trump. You're buying nothing because
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: you like the thing. But people buy and sell and
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: trade these things because they know with some of these
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: meme coins, also called shit coins, you can see huge
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: rips to the upside, whether it's like Dogecoin and all
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of a sudden Elon Musk likes it. And you can
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: see people pile.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: In and the price goes up.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Can you talk about what rips to the upside means?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: You can see the value go way up.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And if you bought a million of them for one
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: cent and it goes to a dollar, you make a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: ton of money. So that's what seems to have happened here.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: A company connected to Trump owns 80% of these Trump coins.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: They also get a fee on the sale of these coins.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I saw a guy named Conor Grogan, who is a
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: director of Coinbase, estimated on Saturday that Trump's team had
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: made 58 million in fees from all of the Trump
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: coin sales. So Trump, they launched this Trump coin, Trump
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: promotes it on true social. The thing goes to the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: moon and then they launched the Melania coin. And it
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: seems like a bunch of people saw that happen. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: maybe they sold their Trump coin to buy Melania coin. Well,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: maybe you sold the Trump coin cause you're like, oh no,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: they're going to launch a thousand of these things.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: The value is going to go down.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever happens, people just started selling like crazy. And the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: price just collapsed. And it's called a rug pull in
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: the coin world.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. We'll find out.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Who loses out here? Because it seems like a bit
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: of a pyramid scheme.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: All the schmoes who buy late lose out. And all
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the people who own it early win. This is the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: hock to a coinification of the presidency. And normally, you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: might see regulators investigating what happened here. Maybe law enforcement
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: gets involved. You think Trump's going to have his DOJ
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: dig into what happened?
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: No, we're all crypto friendly now.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: The SEC or the SEC?
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: The war against crypto is over.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And he's now going to write the regulations for how
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: crypto is regulated. So this is the new world, folks.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: I really want 10 years from now, someone to have
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: to explain what the sentence, the hock.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: To a.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Well, during the next financial crisis, which is caused by
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: a crypto meltdown that has infected the entire economy and
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: banking system, we'll be able to look back on that moment.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: A couple years from now, AOC's campaign for president being like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: would you believe how many Melania's eggs cost?
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I did enjoy though? There's all these
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: like crypto bros online who are, you know, like self-described
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: huge Trump supporters. And they're like, this is stupid. Why
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: did he do this? This is going to sully our
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: reputation as an industry. And one crypto lobbyist was quoted
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: as saying, like, this is not going to help our
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: reputation as hucksters and scammers. And now people are going
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: to think that we're just a bunch of fraudsters because
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Trump did this. And, you know, I was a big
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Trump supporter, but this is really disappointing that he's doing this.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I think credit, good for those people.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Like there are arguments you can make for the utility
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: of Bitcoin or the blockchain or other of these technologies.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: There's no utility to a meme coin or a shit coin.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: It's just for shits and giggles. And for the president
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of the United States to launch this thing the day
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: before he's inaugurated and then someone pull the rug on
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: everybody who got in late, like he's harming his own
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: people who might've bought in.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: No, I say, I say good for them because you're right.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: You can make arguments in favor of it. But but
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: to trust that Donald Trump is if he just like
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: just emerged out of nowhere, like, oh, yeah, this guy
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: has our best interest. This guy's going to this guy's
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: going to put the proper guardrails on this on the agents.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: What you should take from what I think we take
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: away from those quotes, though, is just how egregious this was.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: This is like shockingly irresponsible, borderline illegal.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Well, and and look. where did all that money, right?
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Where does that 50 million in the pockets of this
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: entity come from? Or the people who bought in a
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: too high a value before it collapsed, like where does
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: that money come from? Like it may be, a lot
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: of it may be from MAGA supporters, people that don't
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: know any better and are just sort of following the trends. People,
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: you know, you can't count an honest man, people who
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: think they're going to get one over and try to
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: get in early. and fall prey to this. But this
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: is also a vehicle for all kinds of corruption that
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: we may not be able to see. We have no
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: idea who's buying this. We have no idea who's sending
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: $ 30 million or $ 50 million to Donald Trump via.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: This kind of crypto coin. Foreign actors, foreign adversaries, they
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: can all just sort of curry favor with the president
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: of the United States now. It's just easier. I mean,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: they could before because it's Donald Trump, but this is
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: just sort of.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: An easier way to do it.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the outgoing president, Joe Biden.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Here's how we greeted Donald Trump at the White House
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: before the inaugural ceremony.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Welcome home. Welcome home. Okay, that's a tough one. I
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: thought like a simple hello would have sufficed. I don't
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: think you need to like punch him in the face
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: or anything or be mean. I think he could have
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: just been like, hello.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's the same mattress? No. You think
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: they get a new mattress in there?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I bet they go with the Don Lux.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: You think it's a Don?
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, very good.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: See, always think of the sponsors.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: Call it out.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: They have a new elite collection.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe they went for that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: I bet if Donald Trump gave Felix a shout out,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: they'd send him a free one.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Biden also made some last minute moves. He issued preemptive
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: pardons for Liz Cheney, members of the January 6th committee,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the staff, Benny Thompson, Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, General Mark Milley,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: and then his entire family. So his brothers, sister, in-laws.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Dan got one.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: The whole Biden crime family. No, Dan pointedly did not
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: get one.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Basically, my son, Dan Pfeiffer from Delaware. Everyone from Delaware
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: got a pardon.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Pelosi didn't get one. Pelosi didn't get one because they're
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: not speaking.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: She's getting a different something from Donald Trump.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Biden made sure of that too. What'd you guys think
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: of the last minute pardons?
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: I like the ones for the people that tried to
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: protect democracy. I'm confused by the ones for his family members.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: There are people that I didn't even know they were
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: on Donald Trump's radar. I think Cash Patel is going
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: to find out some about these people existing via these pardons.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: What did you think, Dan?
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: There has been, one of his brothers has been a
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: target for a long time and it's been a target
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: from Trump, a target of the Republicans, a target of
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: the Republican Congress. So I think if you're doing that,
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: I guess you're doing the whole family to make next
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: year's Thanksgiving less awkward.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was in a stocking or something?
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: How do you get these.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Out?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Stocking stuffer.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: It was one of those things where you pull it
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: and it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's a gender reveal.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: The preemptive pardons, fine.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's weird he didn't do Jack Smith.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I know why he didn't do Merrick Garland. Maybe he
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: shouldn't have prosecuted Biden's son.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Or just like everyone who was involved in investigating Donald Trump,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Judge Marchand.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Cassidy Hutchinson, did she get one?
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: No. That's a good question.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think the witnesses did. They did for the
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Capitol Police officers that testified.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: So I don't know about Cassidy.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would love a little more specificity if
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I were her.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very true.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: I think the people who got it know. There are
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: names out there, I think.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: With them.
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: But people in DOJ, people like Alvin Bragg or, you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Tish James, like all those people. I mean, I guess
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: you have to draw a line somewhere.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: He should have put something up by the auditorium, like
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: everyone's finding out if they made Cheer Squad.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: And if your name's not on there, you're just like.
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: What do you open the thing? It's like, oh, commutation.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Pardon is so much better. But like back to Cassie Hutchinson,
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know her. She's been on the show. She
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: was a witness.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: She was someone that Republicans accuse of committing perjury before
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the committee. And also someone who is at the lowest level, right?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: She was an assistant in the White House, has no resources,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: is not going to be able to hire like the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: fanciest lawyers out there. So I would be a little nervous.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: If I were her.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I will just say because.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: And Trump called her out at his overflow speech. Yeah,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: he did. He went after basically by name.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I will just say though that when he... Did the
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Hunter pardon? I said then that if he does the
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: preemptive pardons, it will at least put the Hunter pardon
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: in a better light. I still disagree with it, but
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I am good for Joe Biden. I think the preemptive pardons,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: it is sad that he has to do preemptive pardons
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: for a bunch of people who committed no crimes. But
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: when you have a person who just became president who
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: literally almost every day of his campaign threatened to prosecute
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: people for no reason because he was mad that he
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: was being investigated for his lawbreaking. then, you know, I
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: probably would have done the same thing.
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Good for Joe Biden for doing it.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: It's an umbrella. Better to have it and not need
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: it than need it and not have it. It clearly
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: annoyed Donald Trump, and we'll get to that speech, but,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: you know, Donald Trump is pissed about these pardons. Yeah,
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: it is just a strange list, and it is funny
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: to also throw in your whole family. It's funny to
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: do the Hunter one in advance.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, just as the other thing is, like, they
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: released him at, like, 1158. Like, it's his final act.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: was to release Leonard Pelletier from prison to pardon Jerry Lundgren,
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: who was a Kentucky politician who was in prison for
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: campaign finance violations, and his whole family. Doing it in
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: the sort of dark of night like that just makes
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: it seem worse. Just do it all. And it's the
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: same thing with the Hunter Biden pardon. It's just like,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: do them and defend them. Make the case for them.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Every personal political decisions Joe Biden makes, he tends to
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: make only with his family and like one or two
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: aides and then just roll it out right away. And
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it creates a political nightmare, right? I mean, this is
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the- Clearly.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: The family influence has its fingerprints all over this one.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: There's all this reporting about how he decided to run
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: for reelection without really running it by staff. There's reporting
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: that the Hunter pardon was made in concert with, you know,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: like a family meeting and then they kind of rolled
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: it out weeks and weeks ago and then did the
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: The timing, the communications plan wasn't really there.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: For a lot of these.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: I do think it's going to really hurt Joe Biden's
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: reelection chances.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: It hurt like how he was talked about. He could
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: have put Hunter in this last batch and buried it all.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I guess there was kind of the question, the issue
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: of sentencing that complicated things timing wise, I guess.
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: And I still don't get that because it's like. say
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Hunter was sentenced, then there's still the pardon is the
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: pardon or the commutation is the commutation.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: The Leonard Pelletier one is interesting though. He's a Native
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: American activist who's been in jail since 1977 for allegedly
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: murdering two FBI agents. But it's been very controversial. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, people have been trying to get
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: him released for years and years and years now. I mean,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Amnesty International called him a political prisoner, et cetera.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And I think he's not completely free. I think he's
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: now on a home confinement and moved him to home confinement.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: I'm glad Fauci got one.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Our boy Fauci can rest easy. Yeah, but also like.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: There is this presumption of guilt. And you see shitty
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: people like Rand Paul tweeting about how now we know
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Fauci is guilty for his actions during the pandemic.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: And maybe that maybe who cares?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I don't care about that. The only reason this matters
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: is Chip Roy was out of the gate saying, OK, well,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: now that they're all pardoned, we can haul them all
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: before Congress and they can't take the fifth. And so
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: either they tell us the truth or they lie and
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: then we can get them on perjury.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Well, look, Joe, we can't stop the fact that they've
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: taken over the government. We can't stop them from abusing
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: their offices on a going forward basis. And we can't
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: stop them from, in bad faith, interpreting this however they want.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: But I think I would rather have a pardon in
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: my hand and Rand Paul yelling at me than neither,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: You know what else we can't do? Fake declare a
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: new amendment to the Constitution.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Now, now, Jonathan, you can, you go outside and you say,
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: I declare the equal rights amendment is the law of
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: the land.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: This happened on Friday. Biden declared that the equal rights
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: amendment to the constitution was now the law of the land,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: even though basically no one else agrees. Love it. You
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: want to unpack this one for us?
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: So, uh, Legal rights amendment, the original draft had a deadline,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: I believe, of 1977. It was extended to 1982. It
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: was passed by almost enough states to become a constitutional amendment.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: It was one away. Then in the years that followed,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: several states rescinded their ratification. And then Virginia became- No
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: takebacks on amendments. No takebacks. And then Virginia became the
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: 37th state to ratify the ERA.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: And there was a movement to say that Congress setting
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: a deadline is not constitutional because the Constitution doesn't make
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: any provision for deadlines for ratification of amendments. And therefore,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: that part of the amendment doesn't matter. And the National Archivist,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: who is somehow, for whatever reason, very important in this process,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: should declare it part of the Constitution.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: They said no.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Well, but she prints all the pocket constitutions, so.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: And the big ones.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And the big ones.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: And the big ones.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: She's got all of them.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: All sizes. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: You just do a PDF.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: But Biden could have ordered her to do it. And
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: he did not.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Well, right. He could have ordered her to do it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: It's not clear what happens after that. And it would
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: then end up before the Supreme Court. And the Supreme
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Court has in the past ruled on these kinds. The
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: court has found that setting deadlines is a reasonable thing
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: to do under the Constitution that they have every right
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: to do. do it. It does, to me, like what
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: I was comparing it to is like, okay, so Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden is doing this kind of vaguely extra legal thing
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  Speaker 4: on his way out the door. And Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 4: doing this extra legal thing coming into the door of
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  Speaker 4: declaring that undocumented, the children of undocumented immigrants are not citizens.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just, I feel like we're like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Biden is the institution guy. And there's a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of critiques of Joe Biden from the left saying, he
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  Speaker 4: defends the institution, but he should use his power and
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  Speaker 4: he should go further. And then he does something like this.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, he does it. And the archivist says no.
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  Speaker 4: And then he's out of office and it's fucking dead.
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  Speaker 4: And it just felt like a strange, I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: like kind of a statement of principle or a fuck
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  Speaker 4: you out the door. It didn't lead to anything. It
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  Speaker 4: was purely ceremonial. It was very strange.
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  Speaker 3: The substantive case for trying to weigh in on this,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, would be that the supporters of the view
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  Speaker 3: that the amendment has been ratified, say that the president
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  Speaker 3: putting his weight behind it lends some credence to the
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  Speaker 3: legal case should it go before the courts, right? Now, fine,
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  Speaker 3: but in that case, maybe Joe Biden goes up and
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  Speaker 3: gives a statement that says like, while I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if I can do this, I believe it is, and
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  Speaker 3: actually explains this. What made it sort of mocked, what
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  Speaker 3: led to it being mocked is that you know, just
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  Speaker 3: like a graphic that he tweeted that is like, I
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  Speaker 3: declare the amendment is.
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  Speaker 4: The law of the land.
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  Speaker 2: I declare bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 3: Once again, once again, the way they went about it
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  Speaker 3: was just sort of like, what?
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  Speaker 5: It was very typical. It's like enough to please the
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  Speaker 5: groups who are, who've been pushing very hard for the
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  Speaker 5: white house to do this, but not enough to actually
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  Speaker 5: go all the way. Like let's say he had ordered
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  Speaker 5: the archivist to do it. And the archivist had printed
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of new constitutions with more amendments before you
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  Speaker 5: go out the door. One, those would be worth a
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  Speaker 5: lot of money when it's eventually struck down.
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  Speaker 4: That'd be cool.
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  Speaker 5: Right, but then it's just pure symbolism, right? And also
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: with no other communications plan around it. No communications plan
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  Speaker 5: around it.
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  Speaker 3: No explanation for why they did it, why they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: do it, what was going on, just nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Or by all the alternative, by the way, he's right
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  Speaker 4: at the other door. He orders the National Archivist to
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  Speaker 4: print to do it. The Archivist is like, no. And
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  Speaker 4: then where are we?
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  Speaker 3: And again, this is not just like beating up on
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden as he goes out the door that this
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: was a weird thing to do. It's like, this is
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  Speaker 3: a good lesson for the future for Democrats. Don't do
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: shit like that. Don't just declare stuff. It's symbolism, performance
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: of stuff. It just doesn't matter. What matters is explaining
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: to people why you can do something and then actually
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: getting the power to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Whether it's the pardons, whether it's TikTok, whether it's this.
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  Speaker 4: We have paid, it's the last time I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: say it for a while, we have paid so dearly
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: for having an empty bully pulpit for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And that is the sad end to the Joe Biden presidency,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: despite a lot of good that he did.
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  Speaker 2: Well, poor Phyllis Shafley.
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  Speaker 2: It was very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of someone who really knows how to command the
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  Speaker 3: bully pulpit, Donald Trump, even though he gave the longest
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: inaugural address in in modern history decided he was not
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: done yet, went to the overflow room and spoke to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: that crowd in Emancipation Hall, 33 minutes. And basically it
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: was like, it was the director's cut from the inaugural address.
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  Speaker 3: All the things he wanted to say.
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  Speaker 2: It was the drunk DVD commentary. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: All the things he wanted to say, but couldn't say
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  Speaker 3: in the speech. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 6: And between J.D. and Melania... And anybody else that heard, please, sir,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: it's such a beautiful, unifying speech. Please, sir, don't say
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: these things. I was going to talk about the J6 hostages,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: but you'll be happy because, you know, it's action, not
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: words that count. And I was going to talk about
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: the things that Joe did today with the pardons of
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: people that were very, very guilty of very bad crimes.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: Why are we doing Millie? He was pardoned. What he said,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: terrible what he said. Why are we helping some of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: the people? Why are we helping Liz Cheney? I mean,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: Liz Cheney is a disaster. She's a crying lunatic and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: crying Adam Kinzinger. He's a super crier.
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  Speaker 5: I never saw the guy not crying.
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  Speaker 6: He's always crying. And I think this was a better
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  Speaker 6: speech than the one I made upstairs.
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  Speaker 5: I think this was better, J.D.
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  Speaker 2: It's not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: It certainly was... A truer speech to who Trump is.
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  Speaker 3: That's sort of the moment I think we all heard
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  Speaker 3: this was going on. We're like, this is the next
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  Speaker 3: four years. This is what we're in for.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a rally speech. One after the other.
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  Speaker 3: Did you catch that, Dan? Did you catch the overflow speech?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 5: And it's exactly– you described it right. It is the
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  Speaker 5: director's cut. It's just– I mean– It's just like sometimes
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  Speaker 5: I can never stop looking at these things from the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: perspective of a communications staffer. But you do this whole speech.
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  Speaker 5: This is your message. You have– I mean it's poorly written,
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  Speaker 5: but someone did write it. And you have it out
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  Speaker 5: there and you've decided these are the things you're going
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  Speaker 5: to do. And then he just calls Nancy Pelosi a
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  Speaker 5: criminal and talks about– and calls Liz Cheney a crying
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  Speaker 5: psychopath minutes after your speech is over. It's just– it's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: like a truly wild choice.
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  Speaker 1: I also– Everyone should go watch this just to see
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: the look on J.D. Vance's face at the top where
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: he starts talking about all the things he didn't want.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: And he looks like so pained and kind of constipated.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson is like twitching and looking around and staring
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: into the middle distance.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice.
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  Speaker 4: Well, part of it also, like this was supposed to
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  Speaker 4: be 10 minutes. And so, you know, it's a little
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: bit like they're like, OK, so Trump's going to be
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: a little toast to say thank you to all the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: people in the overflow because we couldn't do this outside.
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  Speaker 4: And then we'll go do the parade and and whatever other.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: and the heinous executive order ceremonies and all the other
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: things we've got big plans for the day. And so
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: they're just standing behind him. They wouldn't have stood behind
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: him if he was going to speak for 30 minutes.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: So part of it is sort of like, can I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: shuffle to the fucking side here? I'm standing right behind him.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: He's supposed to be a greeting. He's doing a tight
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: 15 on how the border wall was going to be
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: made of cement, but there's acid that goes through cement.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: And I didn't think it was going to be pretty.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be ugly. There's Greg Abbott.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: There's this guy. There's that guy. And they're standing behind him.
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  Speaker 1: And Melania and her big, goofy fucking hat is just
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: hiding her eyes and looking down. And it's so pissed
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: the whole time. And then Trump starts talking about how
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: her feet hurt and how she wanted to go home.
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  Speaker 1: But he made her come here.
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  Speaker 2: It's so weird. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But it was like to Dan's point about the communications
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  Speaker 4: piece of it. He basically, you know, takes us on.
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes because he gets up there and he said,
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  Speaker 4: these are the parts I really wanted to say, but
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: they told me I couldn't say today that I should
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  Speaker 4: save it for tomorrow. but I'm not going to save
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  Speaker 4: it for tomorrow. I'm going to do it right here,
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  Speaker 4: right now.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? He was right.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's his thing. He said, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: going to affect the coverage because the coverage of my
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: main speech is already out there and it's looking pretty good,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe I'll get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what? It will affect some of the coverage.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about it. MSNBC is probably flipping
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: out about it. New York Times will mention it, right?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: And then it won't fucking matter because most people that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: voted for him don't pay any attention to any of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: those media sources. And so it's like, they just pay
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: attention to Donald Trump, what Donald Trump says. So if
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  Speaker 3: he wants to do his fucking tight 33 on his
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  Speaker 3: stump speech revised one last time, you know, that's what
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  Speaker 3: he's here for four years for.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I assume all the headlines, even the mainstream headlines,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: that'll be slowly that people will catch and see disperses
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: are things like America's decline or over America's golden age.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: They are the headlines that Donald Trump would want it
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  Speaker 4: to be. And by the way, there's not a criticism
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: of them. When a president gives an inaugural, the headline
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: should be, headline line from the speech. That is what
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: it should be. So of course he's free to fucking
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  Speaker 4: do this. And by the way, all of his biggest
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: fans are going to see this. They're all going to see,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: don't worry, the real Trump is still there. We're going
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: to get exactly what we want from this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just to end, Dan, you wrote a message box on Monday, today,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: this morning. Is it Monday? Today is Monday.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: We're recording this on Monday, as.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: You all know, because we're talking about the inaugural, about
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: how to survive the Trump presidency. What are some highlights?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: What are some tips for everyone on how to survive
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: the Trump presidency? And then we can ask a Tommy
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: and love it. What they think too.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: I'll do a few.
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  Speaker 5: And then for all of them subscribe, but in all seriousness,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: I think there are just a few things I would,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: you know, I've is there are going to be after today, 1,460
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: more days of the Trump presidency. And we've got to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: get through all of them.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: And we've got to try to get through them by staying,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: let's get through them with our faculties intact. And so
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: just a couple of things that I've been thinking about
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: is one.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Trump won a really big victory. As he pointed out
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: in his inaugural address, he won all the swing states.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: The country did move to the right. He did win
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: the popular vote. But he also only won the presidency
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: by about 100,000 votes in three states. And that's just
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: worth keeping in mind, not to tell ourselves some story
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: about how we don't have to make huge changes to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: the Democratic Party. We absolutely do. But just that victory
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: is much closer than it appears right at this moment.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: Just keep that in mind. Second, And I think this
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: is a lesson we've all learned from the Trump years now,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: is we don't have to follow him down every rabbit hole, right?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: He wants our attention 24-7. He wants to just flood
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: the zone with shit all the time. And our attention
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: is our greatest resource. And we can decide when we.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Give it to Trump.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: We don't have to give it to him all the time.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: We can just depict between the things that actually matter,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: where he's making a real impact, and the things that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: just so much annoy us and distract us. And so
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: I think it's a very important thing. It's not something
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to do with the newsletter. I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: think it's something we can do this podcast is try
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: to help people separate the signal from the noise, understand
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: what matters. I think the most important thing is we're
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: all angry. We are anxious. We are worried. And the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: best thing to do, and that's always been true ever
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: since Trump was first elected, is to channel that into action.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: And people should go to Vote Save America to figure
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: out ways to do that. But I want to give
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: people a North Star for this, which is Right now,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: the Republicans have one of the narrowest House majorities in history.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: You have a bunch of Republicans who are existing in very,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: very purple districts. The voting patterns in the Trump era
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: suggest we have a phenomenal chance to take the House back.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: And if we take the House back, Donald Trump will
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: never pass another law that does not have Hakeem Jeffries okay.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: We will have the ability to investigate Donald Trump. We
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: have the ability to hold hearings, to issue subpoenas. And
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: we can do that. And that is of just, we
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: have to get through these two years together. focused in
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: working on taking the house back. And if we do that,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Trump will still be president. He can still do really
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: bad things, but we will have so much more power
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: and ability to limit what he does, limit the damage
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: he does, and expose him for who he is.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Anyone else?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Watch what he does, not what he says, and focus
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: on those midterms.
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  Speaker 3: He said that in his speech. He said, actions matter
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: more than words. I think that was right.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a strong silent type. Just two thoughts. One is,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: things change less than you think in a year and
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: more than you think in five years. And I think today,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: to me, was like a reminder of that. We wonder,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: how did we get to a place where corruption doesn't matter?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: How did we get to a place where Donald Trump
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: can abuse the office in this way? Well, it took time.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: It took a slow degradation of basic values of the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Republican Party being slowly and steadily corrupted, but it did
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: change and it changed a lot. But it did it
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: in a matter of just a few years. And we
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be so cynical or apathetic or resigned to believe
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: that it can't change just as much in the other
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: direction in another couple of years. We have to slowly
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: work towards that in all the ways we can. And
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: that's a very big goal. And then that's a hard
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: goal and it's hard to think about. And then when
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: you get anxious or bored or frustrated or mad about
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: thinking about that big problem, can focus on the very
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: concrete of just winning the House.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's taken me 43 years to
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: do this, but I don't doom about the future as
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: much anymore because, not because there's nothing to doom about,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: but because nothing we can do. Like worrying about it
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: is not going to change it. So really trying to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: take the Trump presidency one day at a time and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: focusing on like what we can control and what we can't.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: And also recognizing that to Dan's point, You know, he
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  Speaker 3: won by 100,000 plus votes in all the swing states.
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  Speaker 3: And we should also recognize, though, like why he won.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems like the, you know, not the Trump fans,
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  Speaker 3: but the additional people that got him over the hill,
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  Speaker 3: that got him over, you know, they got him close
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  Speaker 3: to 50% and won in the swing states. They were
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  Speaker 3: pissed about the cost of living. And they didn't think
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  Speaker 3: that the Democratic Party gave enough of a shit about them. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, right now, price of eggs.
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  Speaker 7: $ 4. 15 price of eggs. Mortgage rate is 7%. Gas is
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: $ 3 a gallon. So we're just going to check back
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  Speaker 7: in on those because let's just take Donald Trump at
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  Speaker 7: his words. We've tried resistance politics. Let's try normal politics.
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  Speaker 7: Normal politics is he made a bunch of promises, big
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  Speaker 7: promises that he was going to do. He's going to
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  Speaker 7: fix the country. We're not going to be in decline.
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  Speaker 7: Everything's going to be great. It's going to be affordable.
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  Speaker 7: Prices are going to fall. You're going to be doing great.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: If that happens, good for Donald Trump. But if it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen, we should point it out. We should point
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  Speaker 3: it out along the way. when he breaks his promises,
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  Speaker 3: or when he declines to fulfill them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a moment in the speech where he says
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  Speaker 4: that the country is unifying behind my agenda. It is not.
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  Speaker 4: That is wish-casting, that is hopeful thinking. But the policies
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  Speaker 4: that are deeply unpopular a week ago remain deeply unpopular today. No,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: the country doesn't want giant tax cuts for the rich. No,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't want a president who's focused on bathroom policies
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  Speaker 4: and ridiculous right-wing grievances over their basic day-to-day concerns.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll be here with you guys the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going anywhere. So stick with us. And our
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• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: for a little bit, but you know what? There's going
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: to be 2025 elections in Virginia and New Jersey. Then
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: there's going to be the midterms before you know it.
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  Speaker 3: other and shares their ideas. And we want to hear
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: from you guys as well, uh, because democratic party has
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  Speaker 3: a lot of work to do. Uh, we are, we
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: are at rock bottom.
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  Speaker 4: Let's hope, let's hope.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: And as Dan said, yeah, party for a party, maybe
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: not the country, but for the party, we're pretty much
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: at rock bottom. So, uh, it's going to take everyone
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  Speaker 3: to figure out how the hell to get us out
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  Speaker 3: of this.
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  Speaker 4: And as Dan said in his message box, got to
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  Speaker 4: support progressive media. We've got to have some alternative to this.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right, everyone. Dan and I will be back with
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