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Occult Rejects on Government Cheese · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, you're a gangstato. It takes at a tangle.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: Mess with me, Mess with me, baby, you're a GANGSTERA.
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  Speaker 4: Tou ouch baby, you're a Gangstattoo.
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  Speaker 5: For the warning.
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  Speaker 6: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
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  Speaker 6: comfort zone and make you question reality. Listening discretion is
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  Speaker 6: a vibe the fellas.
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  Speaker 2: This ain't my first time at the rodeos.
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  Speaker 7: M m hm.
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  Speaker 5: This episode we got myself obviously, and we got a
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  Speaker 5: couple of the rejects with us today, and we've got
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  Speaker 5: Bennett joining us from broadcasting Seeds today. I'll let everybody
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  Speaker 5: go around and introduce themselves. Lisa, what is going on?
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  Speaker 5: The mid scientist?
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  Speaker 7: How?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 9: How are you? I am excited this. When you sent
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  Speaker 9: me the notification on the title, I was like, this
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  Speaker 9: is gonna be a killer episode. Can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: No pun intended.
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  Speaker 9: Killer ye ye, pun totally intended. So I'm really looking for.
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  Speaker 9: Julie usually brings the heat I love when she covers,
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  Speaker 9: especially serial killers or whatever. It's it's always a fun ride.
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  Speaker 9: So thank you so much for having me on and
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  Speaker 9: invite me on.
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  Speaker 5: Oh of course, thank you. I'm glad you can make
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  Speaker 5: it and we got Brooke joining us as well tonight.
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  Speaker 5: What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm happy to be here with the fellow rejects
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  Speaker 1: as well. I'm super excited to get into this topic.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, definitely should be something something interesting. Just put the
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  Speaker 5: name you're like, what's the fun? So awesome and thank
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  Speaker 5: you very much for joining us. And we got Jewels
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  Speaker 5: from Great Pill Podcast. What is going on? Man?
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  Speaker 10: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 10: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody? Jewels the Great Pill Podcast. You probably see me
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  Speaker 3: on here a lot. I'm more into the occult esoteric
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  Speaker 3: realm of things, but I do love true crime and
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  Speaker 3: the pair of political so it's always fun to get
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  Speaker 3: in on these conversations.
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  Speaker 10: And I appreciate you invite me man.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all go find me on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash
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  Speaker 3: Great Pill Podcast.
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  Speaker 10: You get a free sticker pack and yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome, Yeah, thank you very much for joining us. And yeah,
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  Speaker 5: for the other people who may not know who he
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  Speaker 5: is yet, I mean, even though he's been on the
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  Speaker 5: show a few times, he does cover occult stuff and
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  Speaker 5: he does like specific topics. We've had him on for
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  Speaker 5: one of them. I highly suggest to go check out
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  Speaker 5: his channel if you're into the oculty does have stuff
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  Speaker 5: that's worthy of listening to. So thank you very much
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  Speaker 5: for joining us. Jewels, I appreciate it. And we got
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  Speaker 5: Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds. What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: My man?
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  Speaker 5: I'm so happy you were able to join us today.
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  Speaker 4: How how is everybody? I appreciate you having me on again?
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  Speaker 4: Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds Broadcasting Seeds dot Com. I
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  Speaker 4: pretty much talk about everything in the High Strangeness realm
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  Speaker 4: from and I would include true crime in that too,
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  Speaker 4: because some of that shit gets freaky. So so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on, and it's a pleasure
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  Speaker 4: to be here.
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  Speaker 5: Of course. No, thank you very much. I was just
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  Speaker 5: on your show recently. I had a blast, so I'm
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  Speaker 5: happy to have you.
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  Speaker 4: Good time.
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  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, yeah, it was good chat, good chat. And finally,
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  Speaker 5: you know the guests of the hour, hour and a
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  Speaker 5: half Julia from Cosmic Peach. What is going on? Julia?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you?
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  Speaker 2: What's up? Nick? I'm so excited for this one. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for having me on to present this. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a blast. And obviously I've covered similar topics like this
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  Speaker 2: before on Occult Rejects. As far as the program Serial Killers,
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  Speaker 2: and the like. But this one I found on my own.
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  Speaker 2: This one did not come from the Program to Kill book.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like if David McGowan would have known
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  Speaker 2: about this guy, he would have been in the book
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  Speaker 2: because damn, you know, there is a lot of connections
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  Speaker 2: with this guy to the whole Program to Kill Blueprint.
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  Speaker 2: And you'll see that as as the presentation moves along.
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  Speaker 2: But so you look at this Bennett first comment of
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  Speaker 2: the night s ASMR channel they want you to read
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  Speaker 2: them bedtime stories.
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  Speaker 4: I was always I've always been told that I should
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  Speaker 4: be doing a bedtime stories with uncle Bennett.
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  Speaker 2: So we have we have jewels over here. Sounds like
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  Speaker 2: fucking Matthew McConaughey, Bill be reading kids bedtime stories, ghost
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  Speaker 2: bedtime stories. This is gonna be an interesting This is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a really good show. I already have a
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  Speaker 2: feeling already.
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  Speaker 4: It was a dark and stormy night.
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  Speaker 10: That's not the first time I've heard that.
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  Speaker 7: Love.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so obviously I want you guys to bust
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  Speaker 2: in if you have any questions or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: and or if you I mean, are you guys familiar
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  Speaker 2: with this guy at all? Randy Kraft, have you heard
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  Speaker 2: about him. Do you know what he did anything?
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  Speaker 10: I know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like legit. I mean, well, part of it
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  Speaker 4: is because I was in the Marines and he killed
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  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of Marines. So oh that's how I know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when I saw the topic for the show, I
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  Speaker 1: did research thinking we were going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: the government cheese stores.
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  Speaker 5: So no, yeah, that's what I was hoping for too.
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  Speaker 5: Even when I made the thumbnail, I was like, yo, cha,
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  Speaker 5: GPD can throw fucking cheese in the picture.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I always get pissed off because a
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  Speaker 2: lot like what's talked about in Program to Kill is
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  Speaker 2: how these guys get these like super Bitch and monikers
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  Speaker 2: like Green River Killer, Hillside Strangler, BTK, you Bye, Torture Kill,
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  Speaker 2: and they go down as like these mega villains and histories,
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  Speaker 2: you know, deadly at crime and all that. They almost
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  Speaker 2: get like sensationalized and almost like they're a celebrity or
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  Speaker 2: something because they get these like the Zodiac Killer and
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  Speaker 2: shit like that. So Randy Kraft is actually known by
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  Speaker 2: many things. He's known as the Scorecard Killer, the Southern
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  Speaker 2: California Strangler. But I gave him my own moniker because
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  Speaker 2: I think obviously if you have a last name like
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  Speaker 2: Craft and you are in the Army I think air Force.
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  Speaker 2: Actually he's in the air Force. His last name is Craft,
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  Speaker 2: and he's a piece of human dog shit, and so
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  Speaker 2: he deserves to have a ridiculous moniker because he's a
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous person. And so I named him the Government Cheese
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  Speaker 2: Killer because yeah, fuck this guy. He doesn't get to
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  Speaker 2: go down as like history's mega villain. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: he just doesn't like this some of the stuff. It
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  Speaker 2: is so repulsive. It was hard for me to almost
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  Speaker 2: get through the research because it was turning my stomach
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  Speaker 2: like inside out. And I couldn't believe I had never
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  Speaker 2: heard of this guy before. You hear about all of
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  Speaker 2: like the top dogs like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, the
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  Speaker 2: Zodiac that those, they're all infamous and everybody knows about him.
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  Speaker 2: But my husband was listening to this podcast the other
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  Speaker 2: day and they were talking about Randy Kraft and like
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff he did, and I was like, who
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  Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy? And then you look at
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  Speaker 2: his crimes and you're like, what the actual fuck is this?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's it deserves definitely its own episode, But
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  Speaker 2: at the end of this, I'm actually going to show
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  Speaker 2: you how he could have been possibly confused for like
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  Speaker 2: three other guys who were doing the same thing around
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  Speaker 2: the same time, and whether or not they knew about
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  Speaker 2: each other remains a mystery, But it just seems odd
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  Speaker 2: that three serial killers would be in the same area,
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  Speaker 2: perpetrating almost identical crimes to each other, all in the
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  Speaker 2: southern California area, and not know about each other. It
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  Speaker 2: just seems a little bit too much for coincidence in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion. But yeah, did you guys have any questions
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  Speaker 2: about this guy before we get started, I.
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  Speaker 1: Just want to say I like that you gave him
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  Speaker 1: a crappy name to go with it, because it kind
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  Speaker 1: of reminds me a btk. He wanted to be called
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  Speaker 1: something cool, He wanted that notoriety, and you're right, they
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  Speaker 1: just don't deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: They don't, right, Thank you, Broke. It's like you don't
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  Speaker 2: get to go down as like buying torture killed. Did
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  Speaker 2: you see that guy? First off, his name is fucking Dennis.
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  Speaker 2: His name is Dennis, and he looks like, yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: does look like a Dennis, And he wore these fucking
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  Speaker 2: huge ass eighties dad glasses and he like helped out
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  Speaker 2: at his church's youth group or something like that. If
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  Speaker 2: you saw him, if you saw Dennis Raider at Walmart,
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  Speaker 2: you'd be like, for sure he has like a boy
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  Speaker 2: scout camp somewhere that he runs like. He just looked
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  Speaker 2: like this totally upstanding, like nerd, douchebag guy that you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is your typical you know co in eighties dad.
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  Speaker 2: But no, he's buying torture kill crazy shit, right, So.
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  Speaker 9: Julia, isn't it weird that like most of these notorious
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  Speaker 9: or infamous killers are from southern California or Southern California esque,
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  Speaker 9: or they visited southern California or they have some sort
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  Speaker 9: of association with Southern California.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lisa is hitting it right on the head with that,
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  Speaker 2: because if you read Programmed to Kill, one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that he talks about is how just in California alone,
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  Speaker 2: like all of these Cereal Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Randy krat Richard Ramirez, I mean, they all
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  Speaker 2: come out of California. And it is even documented that
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  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy flew to California for a considerable period a
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  Speaker 2: time when it was doing something before he went back
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  Speaker 2: to Seattle and became the ripper that we just do.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he was doing something.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Mormon. I don't know if people know that he.
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  Speaker 2: And he had the complete backing support of his local
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  Speaker 2: Mormon church the first time he got arrested, and they
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  Speaker 2: all made fucking signs for him, and they said we
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  Speaker 2: love Ted, and they were outside the courthouse rubbing their
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  Speaker 2: fucking nipples. He go, Ted is a good guy, Ted, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? He's literally a fucking rapist, murderer.
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  Speaker 2: It just kills me. It kills me, like you guys
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to have great intuition and be so close
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  Speaker 2: to the Lord, and you guys got Joseph Smith and
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  Speaker 2: all this shit going on. You're supposed to be all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, intuitive, and you got literally a poster saying
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  Speaker 2: we love Ted. He probably raped and murdered sixty your
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  Speaker 2: kids and you gotta sign outside the court ouse saying
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  Speaker 2: we love Ted. Like that, to me is how crazy
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  Speaker 2: all of this gets. Because these people side and plain sight,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think that it's an accident. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's by design. They're master manipulators. They're highly functioning psychopaths,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that they are chosen because of this
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of these programs highly functioning psychopaths, narcissists, manipulative,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, you don't get chosen
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  Speaker 2: to be a part of the program to kill academy
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  Speaker 2: if you're just like a normal guy who has a
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  Speaker 2: podcast and works for progressive you know, that's you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to get chosen.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of leads into like, you know, how
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  Speaker 3: how long were these people prepped before they started to
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  Speaker 3: commit these crimes, like where they kidnapped as children, where
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  Speaker 3: they bred into it, you know, and that goes into
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  Speaker 3: s R and a whole nother uh, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: whole a whole other topic.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, well, Jules think think of it like this.
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  Speaker 2: They set up all these gifted and talented programs at
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  Speaker 2: schools looking for something. Okay, they set up a lot
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  Speaker 2: of programs for young kids. Then they're clearly looking for something,
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  Speaker 2: you know, They're they're organizing field trips. Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: story about Jeffrey Dahmer going on a school field trip
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  Speaker 2: to Washington and he makes some kind of anomaloust phone
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  Speaker 2: call to who we don't know, and he is able
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  Speaker 2: to arrange a private tour of the White House for
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  Speaker 2: him and all of his uh student friends in his class,
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  Speaker 2: Like why who the fuck did he call? And how
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  Speaker 2: does he know somebody at the White House where he
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  Speaker 2: could call and arrange a private tour for him in
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  Speaker 2: his class?
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  Speaker 10: Matter ask those questions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, it's like, all right, everybody knows
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  Speaker 2: about that. Everybody knows that Jeffrey Dahmer. Oh, he's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: He made a phone call and he got this private
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  Speaker 2: tour at the White House. He's also said to be
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  Speaker 2: a highly functioning psychopath, a narcissist, manipulative. He was in
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  Speaker 2: the army. I mean, it's like, I think that they
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  Speaker 2: find these kids at a young age, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that they're looking for these specific markers and if you
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  Speaker 2: fit the you know, whatever it is, if you check
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  Speaker 2: all the boxes, you get to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: something like this. And most of the time I think
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  Speaker 2: that they are programmed to either forget their crimes or
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  Speaker 2: to not even remember that they've been programmed at all,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like Manchurian candidates. It's like, go out, they
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  Speaker 2: do this stuff, they come back, they don't even remember
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  Speaker 2: doing it, or they don't remember being programmed to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people's oh, not everything is, CIA,
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  Speaker 2: Not everything is, And that's true, But there is a
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  Speaker 2: blueprint actually that you can look for. Not every serial
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  Speaker 2: killer meets that criteria, but the ones that do, it's
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  Speaker 2: too much in common to just be a coincidence. And
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  Speaker 2: this guy is one of them, just like Ted Bundy Dahmer.
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  Speaker 2: They all fit this blueprint and this guy and.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to add, sorry to interrupt you, but
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  Speaker 5: real quick before you go. And I know it's going
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  Speaker 5: off a little off topic, but like you had mentioned somebody,
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  Speaker 5: uh yeah, he got to go to the White House.
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  Speaker 5: I mean even when Gaysey was in prison, he had
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  Speaker 5: I forgot what you call it, but it's like when
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  Speaker 5: you just have one hole in golf that you just
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  Speaker 5: keep on trying to get it in. You had one
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  Speaker 5: of those installed in the prison he was in. How
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  Speaker 5: you get this dumb while.
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  Speaker 4: You're in jail.
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  Speaker 2: He also had like McDonald's delivered to his fucking cell,
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  Speaker 2: and he had like civilian clothing delivered to him, and
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  Speaker 2: he had like all this stuff. He has a picture
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  Speaker 2: of him in the first lady.
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  Speaker 5: Just ye close to the carters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he used to run that. He used to run a
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  Speaker 5: parade in his town.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so he was a part of the j
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  Speaker 2: c S, which like trained in prison in to like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: he was a part of the Jaycy. I mean that,
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about if you look, because Ted
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  Speaker 2: Bundy was also involved in politics, and you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was a Mormon. He was you know, as been. It
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  Speaker 2: was saying, he was really involved in his community, and
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  Speaker 2: it made people think like, oh, they couldn't he couldn't
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  Speaker 2: possibly be doing this stuff because he's such a stand
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  Speaker 2: up guy. Look at him. He's great. And it's by
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  Speaker 2: design that these guys just blend right in. Just like
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  Speaker 2: BTK he's like helping out at his church and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know whatever. So it's not an accident that these
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  Speaker 2: guys are master chameleons and they just kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you know, blend into their surroundings. This guy, Randy Kraft,
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  Speaker 2: he was enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and
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  Speaker 2: he was also involved in some kind of campaign rallies
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  Speaker 2: for Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four. And he was
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  Speaker 2: also like really involved in supporting the Vietnam war, and
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  Speaker 2: that was like his first taste of like becoming political.
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  Speaker 2: And he actually ended up organizing campaign rallies for Robert F. Kennedy,
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  Speaker 2: and he got real tight with Robert F. Kennedy, and
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  Speaker 2: he got like some kind of letter of recognition or
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  Speaker 2: something from Robert F. Kennedy because he was helping him
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  Speaker 2: out so much with his campaign. So again, if you
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  Speaker 2: look for like the subtle clues in the background, they're
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  Speaker 2: always going to be there somehow political, somehow in a
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  Speaker 2: gifted and talented program at school, highly functioning psychopath narcissists.
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  Speaker 2: It's like always hidden somewhere in there, and if you
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  Speaker 2: look hard enough, you'll find it. So a lot like
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer and Teddy Randy Craft also seems to be
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  Speaker 2: able to elude police officers multiple times or downright just
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  Speaker 2: get away with shit, get arrested and get almost no bail,
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  Speaker 2: a very small bail, or not arrested at all, Like
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  Speaker 2: how like that has to be another part of the
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  Speaker 2: blueprint is how can you keep getting arrested? How can
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  Speaker 2: you keep getting in trouble for the same bullshit over
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  Speaker 2: and over again and nothing ever happened to you, Like
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  Speaker 2: in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer, he had victims that
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  Speaker 2: actually got returned back to him by police officer.
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  Speaker 5: Story. It's like, how to come on.
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  Speaker 2: This guy did too Randy Craft police officers brought a
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  Speaker 2: victim who just said that guy raped me in the asshole,
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  Speaker 2: beat me over the head, drugged me, molested me. He
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  Speaker 2: was in the hospital. They took him back to Randy
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  Speaker 2: Craft's apartment, never filed any charges against him, He didn't
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  Speaker 2: even get he didn't even get a night in jail,
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  Speaker 2: and just skirt it on the whole thing. That was
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  Speaker 2: his first victim. So again, if you look at this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: it's too much to be a coincidence, Like, how does
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy who have so much in
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  Speaker 2: comment from their past end up getting victims returned to
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  Speaker 2: them no jail time they alluded to release at every stop.
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  Speaker 5: I Mean, another common thing I've noticed too is this
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  Speaker 5: could maybe just be happens, you know, just coincidental. But
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  Speaker 5: you will also get a lot of people where it's
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  Speaker 5: like if they would have gone to jail either for
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: the right amount of time for the first crime they
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: committed or things that they should have gotten arrested for
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: to begin with, all this other shit never would have happened, dude,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: you know, like Bundy Gacy and this guy, if they
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: would have gotten court or case, you would have stayed
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: in jail as long as you would have supposed to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: have had first time. We wouldn't have killed all.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: These other folks.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And Charles Manson the same thing happened with him. He
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: was arrested and let go a lot.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Wow, these guys there, many of these serial killer guys,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: right that the folk they're they just what ends up
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: happening is that they they're nice, clean cut guys, right,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: And it's all a persona literally a dual personality, right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And most of them are highly intelligent, and they do
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: this stuff to just cover it up, and they end
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: up getting into positions where they wheeld influence. That's part
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: of the reason they get into politics, right. I mean
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: they literally, you know, uh, mold themselves into high functioning
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: organized killers because that's the one thing about Craft is
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: he's so organized, well, all of them, don or Bundy,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: so they're able to get away with it for so long.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: You know, they're polished, intelligent, well integrated into society, all
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: that stuff, respectable. They put that respectable mask on.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they even you know, I feel like they
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: go out of their ways to even pick kind of
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: attractive people because you do hear about, like there's one
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that I really want to talk to you guys about
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in a future episode. His name is Rodney Alcola. He's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: also known as the Dating Game Killer, and they made
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: a movie about him on Netflix is called The Woman
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of the Hour and it talks about his crimes and stuff.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: What they won't tell you in that movie though, or
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: any Netflix documentary, is this guy's also definitely fits the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: blueprint for program to Kill. But he's a good fucking
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: looking guy. He's like a fair of faucet haircuted, fucking
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: freak strangler and if you saw the guy, you would
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: definitely be interested in him. Like some people talk about
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy was attractive, Rodney, I'll call it was like
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a Native American guy or something like that. He had
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: like real dark hair, you know, tall, dark and handsome,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: ended up fucking raping and murdering one hundred and thirty women.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like that's to me, it's like they go out of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: their way to like find attractive, extremely intelligent, manipulative psychopaths
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to be a part of this, you know, the only one.
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: You're saying, Julia. What you're saying, Julia is that them
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: and the pharmaceutical reps also look for attractive people too.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: One hundred. The pharmaceutical reps are horrible for that shit.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: They'll send like a girl with their tits half out
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: pretty much up into a place that literally just gut
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: these in like a handful of pills. And the thing
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that I love Chick fil A. The thing that I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: always say, though, is the one person I can think
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of that doesn't fit that uh stereotype would be John
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Wayne Gacy because he was just a fat, gross motherfucker,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just a nasty He just looked like he like mopped
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: floors at KFC, Like you just see him and be
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: like gross.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: No, he did, if I remember correctly, No joke. Didn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: he actually run KFCs before he started doing He.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Did, He did, and he requested KFC for his last meal.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't one inspiration too for Captain Spaulding, so
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: kind of the same vibe. I'm pretty sure when Rob
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Zombie was crafting his character that he played on that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: influence A big question for motherfucker Yea, he ant so
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and he and Captain Spaulding sells chicken right freaking gas station.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that's funny question.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: When you were when you were talking about how there's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: several I think you'll probably get to it, but how
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: they were all some other active serial killers in the area.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you watched the show Sandman or not,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: but okay, So basically, there's this convention of serial killers
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that all come together once a year and they break
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: off into many groups, like depending on if they're like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: religious killers or people who poison or go for organs,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they like break up. When you said that, yeah, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you said they could be working together, my mind went there.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And I know in the past on the Rejects, you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: guys have talked about a potentially a serial killer ring
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in the United States. I think that that's incredibly possible
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that they could have been, in some facet aware of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: what one another was doing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Forty eight serial killers in California, Julia, that's what it was.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That's too much. I mean, that's too much. And it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like Brooke was saying, Actually, Nick, if maybe you were
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: too high at the time, but maybe not, you could
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: remember this. We actually covered the Sandman together in an
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: episode called Netflix and Chill or something like that, do
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: you remember, And we talked about that serial killer convention
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: because it was like pedophile serial killer and they all
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: get just go to this one one convention at a
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: hotel and talk and exchange notes and like you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: trade secrets and ship like that, and they put their
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: heads together. But it seems to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: Me, kill a con by the way, kill a coon,
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: Kill kill a con, Kill a con. I'm just kidding.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: That's that'd be a good I think in the show
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it was a serial convention, but like the Cereal you Eat?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, I was.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Sitting here thinking like they had some kind of a cover.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Of a magazine up and they're like, where's the fruit looves, Like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: we don't see any cereal?
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That's actually a really good show if anybody hasn't watched it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It's full of esoteric and occult symbolism, as Nick pointed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: out in the show we did together. But I do
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: think they're aware of each other. I do think that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: some serial killers can just be random psychos that go
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: nuts and just end up killing people. I'm not gonna
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: say all of them are programmed killers, but the ones
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: that you find that are almost sensationalized to a degree
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of becoming a celebrity or something like that. Or their
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: crimes and their backgrounds are so similar to each other
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that you're like, what are the odds? Like they had
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to have known about each other. They're they're like killing
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: their victims in the same exact way. They live a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: couple of blocks from each other. Like, how does this happen?
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: You know they write letters to each other. I know
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: that there have been a couple of people that Nick
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: and I have covered that they were exchanging letters with
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: each other. I think he was exchanging letters with BTK.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he shy?
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: They're having conversations.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: They were having conversations that that is not uncommon for
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: for these convicted serial killers, that they will exchange letters
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: with each other.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Well, we covered that to each.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: Other or whatever, Right, So do.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: You remember when we covered that. I can't remember exactly
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: what it matched, but I saw it taking like bt
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: K and putting certain words through Jamatra and like certain
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: things were actually matching, like Oyster Bay or like the town,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: like the area where fucking should happened. I was like, yo,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: is this something like weird like cult stuff going on
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: here in the news and.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: It was it was btk's daughter. And then the what
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: was it, not the Sunshine killer, but the Smiley killer,
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: not face killers, but.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know it was it was happy Face, happy
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Face killer, Happy.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Face Happy his daughter and then btk's daughter came out
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: and were in support of rex Hureman's family as well
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: as her daughter and they were very vocal in protecting
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: her and trying to provide some sort of support. Started
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: up an entire goal fundme. We kind of did a
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: little bit of background on the daughter of Happy Face.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: She's wanted for.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: And scam outists.
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: She's like, but she has I think money crime.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a money crime and it's not illegal.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: We used to tell us we had a two week
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: trial and we threw a name in there, and that's
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: what came up. She's already committed crimes with money and
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: the only reason like we were even getting into that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: and you know, we can get back to the topic,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: but like when it comes to true crime, there is
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: something in my opinion, you sawm looking at these it's
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: always the weird ones are the ones that make no
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: sense and seem off the wall that everybody's got gofundme's
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: going on. It's a fucking grift. There's something going on.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: The people who are even involved in the crimes that
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: possibly or even playing games with money, who the fuck knows,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: but something's up. There's always these weird gofundmi's going on,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: people raising them fifty grand so I can go watch
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: the Colburger trial. What the fuck you need fifty grand?
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: You go watch a trial for I had a question
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: for Juliet. Do you think that there is like an
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: A team B team streams?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Lisa think about it like this, Not only
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: could these be government programs that are broken up into
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: sub sex for like whatever, mixing business with pleasure essentially
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: like gay guys. Obviously you got like Jeffrey Dahmer, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: then you got guys like Rodney Alcalla and Ted Bundy.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: They're not gay, but they murder. They're victims. In a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: really similar way. I think that they're also mixed up
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: with magic in some way. The ritual behind the crimes,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the areas in which they're perpetrating the crimes, the neighborhoods.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: And sorry, have you found any kind of significance to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: the date of the certain crimes.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about because I actually think a
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: lot of the victim they'll say like, oh, we found
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: this body at this time, and we found this body
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: at this time. But there were so many active serial
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: killers in and around the time Randy Craft was ripping
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and running through dude's buttholes during this time. I don't
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: know who killed who. There was too many. It's like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: there's like eighty victims and three serial killers and they
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: can't tell who the fuck did what. And it's like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: obviously this is significant someone because they're murdering in clusters
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: around the same time, all three of them in the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: same exact way, like how.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: And they're still finding people like DNA evidence. Shit, they're
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: still trying it to like cold cases to these to
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: the sky.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So yes, yes, So he actually joined the United States
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Air Force and he was stationed at Edwards Air Force Base,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: which is also the same Air Force base where a
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: lot of the Laurel Canyon cast of characters came out
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of Edwards Air Force Base also. Uh So, he was
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a supervisor of teaching people how to
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: paint test planes. That's what he was supposed to that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that was his official job title. Uh is supervising the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: painting of test planes, and he became an airman first class.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But he they found out that he was gay, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: they released him on medical grounds quote unquote, which you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: on surface level you'd say, oh, well, that might have
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: been common back in the sixties, UH to get to
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you know, released on medical grounds for being gay. But
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, they don't let somebody like this just go.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: He's too valuable obviously, so maybe the cover is we
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: let him go on the medical grounds, but he just
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: got repurposed in some you know, unclassified you know, program
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to kill type academy thing because he had a genius IQ.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And after they dismissed him from the Air Force, he
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: found employment for the Aerospace program. So I mean a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: lot of the victims that they say he killed were
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: all around his business trips, traveling around for the aerospace program.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So you know what I mean, It's like he didn't
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: travel too far outside of the uh sus a's fuck
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: category as far as employment goes. When he started killing
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: all these guys, it's like, oh, you were in the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Air Force. Now you're working for the Aerospace program. And
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: every time you have a business trip like six dudes
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: get murdered in the area, Like, is that a coincidence?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And then they find like pictures in DNA evidence later
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that would link him to the crimes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: That's interesting. I want to just say real quickly. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: know it's kind of a between aerospace and NASA. I mean,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: there's a difference there, But I do find it interesting.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Remember how I mentioned it to you, and it's something
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: that I probably would like us to cover. At some
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: point I mentioned it to some of us here at
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: covering it where I had started noticing leases even notice
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: that other people have noticed it that, like, why is
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: there always somebody in NASA popping up with all these
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: new fucking true crimes. There's always a link to somebody's
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: in fucking NASA. What's up with that?
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: And when I you know? And again I always say,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: I think NASA is basically like a Nazi magical operation.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: So like, if I think that they're handling you shit
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: and portraying it in a different way and people are
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: believing it, why would they not do that with other
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: shit they're there. I've just mass the manipulators with the
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: film and shit, you know, they make you believe whatever
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the fuck they throw on the screen.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And it's like I said before, it has to be
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: integrated with a magical aspect. It can't just be like, oh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the government program, you know, case clothes, that's it. There's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: always like this weird magical aspect to it too, where
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it's like you said, they they fake all this moon
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: landing stuff, they fake all this space stuff. They lie
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to us constantly, right, and then it's there's just this
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: aspect of like serial killers and weirdos working for them
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and shit like that, like, oh, nothing to see here,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just something I noticed, you know, and I
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: just find it weird, all right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh I thought Lisa.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Lisa was about to sea interrupt. You know what's interesting,
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: Julie you were talking about, because I was going to
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: ask you what year did all this kind of start
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: to you know, transpire or whatever. It's interesting. I think
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: you said somewhere around the sixties, and you know, we've
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: covered at length this sixties on this podcast. What's interesting
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: is that you do have a lot of presence of
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: certain ops or certain operations from the government occurring in
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: bath houses during the sixties, especially in California, especially in
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: these big cities, especially in these cities where a lot
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: of tech is happening. Tech back then was aeronautics or
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: space programs or government programs and stuff like that. So
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: it's interesting that they would have this guy who was
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: sexually active in the community that he would, you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: be potentially has anyone looked at the victimology of like
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: if his victims were involved in some sort of programs.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: There were mostly marines, that's right, you said that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: Sorry, I apologize.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I think actually Bennett had mentioned it. He killed a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: fuckedn of Marines and other military men actually league, So
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: it's it was it's kind of like I was saying before,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: they find people. It's like they mixed business with pleasure.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: This guy's gay, he loves murdering assholes, and they got
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of marines they gotta get rid of.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Well, I think what it was is he like really
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: tried to tried to find well he they were always
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: drunk or or on drugs usually.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Or he or he drugged them, And that's what I know.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, even the way they caught him, dude, don't even.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Get started on that. Yeah, I was gonna I got
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a whole fucking thing on how they caught him because damn.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: It was a marine, Lisa.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: That was great. That was great a question because I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: did connect that they were mostly like military or marines
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: or something like that, and like.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: The rage issue against like macho guys or macho guys
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: kind of, and that was like his em was like,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: this is who I fucking hate because they've ruined my
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: life or whatever, and I am going to take control
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: and show the power over these bastards.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely could have been and I will
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: entertain that only if you'll entertain the possibility that these
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: guys were like people that they wanted to get rid of.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking that I was going to bring
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: that up.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe these are That is a good point though, to
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: an assassination.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, it's like we need
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: to get rid of private you know Smith over there.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, here's a list of these guys.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we got some, but you can Christmas right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make you wonder what sort of programs that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they were involved in.
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: That's also I don't know something something.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Because it's like I said, his first victim got returned
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: back to him, no charges wherever filed. You know, the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: kid was like thirteen, He got raped, he got drugs,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: he got beaten, nobody cared, So obviously there's something else
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: going on here. But what I find interesting, and you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: guys need to, you know, throw your two cents in,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: is the type of things that he did to his
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: victims go beyond just killing a person. It's it's you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and if anybody in the livestream whatever, if you're sensitive
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: or you know, you might just want to puss out
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: now because I'm gonna just say all the details. Okay.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't just like sodomize a guy. He would sodomize
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a guy, but then he would like cut their dick
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and their ballbag off while they were still alive. He
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: would make sure that they were still alive for all
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of it. Sometimes he would take their dick and ball
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: back and then shove it up their ass. Sometimes he
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: would take his car lighter out of his car and
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: burn their nipples off and burn their eyeballs out, so
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: he would shove dirt.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask, what was he sodomizing them
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: with like his penis?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: He did, Yeah, I mean he did rape them. Sometimes
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: it was just more about the kill because they found
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: like ballpoint pins inserted into their penises. They found a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of them decapitated. They found a bunch of victims
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that were just in pieces and parts, And it's like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: this goes beyond just like killing a guy to rip
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: somebody's dick and ball bag off, put it in their ass,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and then like burn their eyeballs out with the car
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: cigarette lighter. This goes beyond, This goes beyond just killing someone.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: What sounds like some of the some of the torture
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: methods that they used back and like antiquity or ancient times.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: So maybe it is some ancient like some dark spirit
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: that is not only taking them over, but being like
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: invoked to take them, like he's being whoever it is,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: is just being groomed to be a vessel for a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: particular entity.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Well, Jules, have you ever heard this saying like what
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: would possess someone to do that? I don't know, why
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: do we use that terminology? What would possess someone to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: do something like that? I don't know, A demon maybe
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: like or something they've tapped into something. Obviously that there's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a dark passenger driving like they say in Dexter, because
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you know that the average person is not thinking to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And some people might say that they have kind of
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: trained these people to switch on, like to switch on
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: their shadow self, to switch on their dweller right to
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: where they can immediately just you know, change consciousnesses. But
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: it's them, it's just their deep, deep, dark subconscious right, yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of why they have to
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: break you down in the programming, is so they can
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: something else, something else has to get inserted in there,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you know, something else has to take over.
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: Where was he doing most of.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: His work, So the reason they called him the freeway
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: strangler is because they never knew where he was doing this,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: but he always dumped his body on the side of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the freeway, so they didn't know if he was killing
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: him in his car, if he was taking him back
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: to his apartment and killing him and then dumping them.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: But all the victims were found either in Portland when
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: he was on a business trip, Seattle when he was
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: on a business trip, or southern California, all by the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: freeway and all that. They started to put things together
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: because he his he finally found his signature, which was
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: after he you know, raped them, murderedom dismembered them, whatever
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: he would take one of the victim's socks, ball it
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: up and put it in their bee hole, and that
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: was his signature. Every time they found a body with
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a bald up sock in their bee hole. They started,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: they started, you know, realizing that these could these victims
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: could be connected. And the only thing that they could
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: think of of a reason why he would be doing
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: this is they said, well, the killer must have military background,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: because in the military they they train you to shove
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: socks up dead bodies beeholes to prevent them from purging
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: until you can get to the body or whatever. So
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: what they surmised is that he was taking them, killing
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: them somewhere else, putting the sock in the bee hole
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to prevent purging until he could dump the body.
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well that comes to mind is that it's almost
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: like was he doing this for someone else? And that
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: was the worth these experiments to see the level of
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: pain and torture and worthyse methods of potential interrogation to
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: be used later in other operations in that yes, it
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: looks like a serial killing. Yes it looks like somebody
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: is disturbed or was Randy contracted by the government to
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: inflict these types of torture to measure the level of
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: whatever the pravity.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then now.
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: It's a data point and you can feed it back
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: to the to whomever contracted you as a way of saying, yeah,
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: they break at this point, or if you do this,
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: they'll they'll do this, or what have you. And then
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: the like you said, the signature ready to be like, well,
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: that was my calling card. I did that one. The
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: other guy did the other one. I did this one, right.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean it kind of goes hand in what
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: she's saying, kind of goes hand in hand with why
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: they called him the scorecard killer.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: M m.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's checking boxes in a cryptic.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very cryptic.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's how he was able to delineate who
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: who is who.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Too, right, because they found in his car when they
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: busted him the scorecard with all the victims' names and
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: like a little description. And it's kind of like what
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you were saying, lisays, is he taking him somewhere else
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and doing this for God only knows what reason, And
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: then he has to use this b whole sock because
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: he's got to drive him then somewhere and dump the body.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But the problem is It's like, he's supposed to be
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: in charge of supervising people painting test airplanes. At what
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: point did shoven a sock in somebody's bee hole come
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: up in the painting of the test planes training? Like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm not a rocket scientist here,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: but I would say, if you're in charge of painting
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: test planes, a sock in somebody's dead bee hole is
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: not going to come up. Another thing that I don't
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: understand why they said this is they said, well, the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: killer obviously has military background, because not only is there
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a sock in the victim's bee hole, but he would
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: take tissue paper and he would shove it in the
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: nostrils and down the throat, which is another thing I
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: guess they do in the military because fluids come out
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: and whatever after somebody dies. And it's like, again, when
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: did the tissue paper nostral technique come up in the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: painting of the test planes? Can somebody explain that to me? Like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: obviously he has further training that we don't know about.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Obviously, I mean, I spent ten years in the military
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: and I never was trained to that ship. But I'm
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: just saying, you got at the end of the day.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: It could have been some Vietnam stuff. I mean that
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: that's when this was happening, So it's like maybe that
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: was training then, But I've never heard.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I know, you're not trying to just about that Bush.
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: I'm just saying I'm not trying to do that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you a sock in my butt hoole
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: when it's too when it's too hot outside.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but it isn't some of these paints on any
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: of the military planes because you're highly classified.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well not yeah, I mean even back then. Yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: I guess you had a point. They were extreme line
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: you had especially now, but not so much back then,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: but maybe maybe especially especially like in that area you
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: had the SR seventy one Blackbird and the the other one,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: the other spy plane, the big it's like something fifty yeah, whatever.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Either way, they had radar reflecting paint.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, and most of that stuff was patented and
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: highly classified. Yeah, and not anybody could handle that that
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: type of paint because they would have to pass a
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: clearance in order to handle that type of pot because
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: of extreme class Like we were the only country that
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: had the patent for a while on some of the
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: reflective paint to evade radar to didn't.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: We Yeah, for sure, what we still do? I mean
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: they're like they don't even know, Like the F twenty two,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I have no idea what it's coded with, zero nobody
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: and we won't sell it to anybody either, So.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: Nobody's And it's weightless because every single paint is has
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: has a certain weight.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: And that's the ship we know about. That the ship
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: we don't know about who even fucking knows? Frankly, I
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: mean that, And people have to understand the F twenty twos.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: It's almost a thirty year old plane in the grand
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: scheme of things, and it's far and beyond anything anyone
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: else has. So probably I mean, if he's painting, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: guess it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Depends on tell me, tell me when the fucking bhole
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: sock comes in.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never I've never heard that in my life.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you. I'm telling you that God's down the street.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Never heard that ship in my life.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna have to do a deep dive and to
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: book whole socks.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually writing it down right now. I've never
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: heard of that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I just found it interesting too that all of
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: this is happening in the sixties, right around the time
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: that MK ultr is happening, and Charles Manson is running
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: around getting out of jail working with the CIA. It's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: just interesting timing. And and she hit the nail on
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the head with Laurel Canyon. I wrote that down because
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it was like, I wonder if there's some sort of
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a connection there, you.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Know what I was. I was wondering, and I was
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: going to ask you believe because I know this is
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: something that me and you have, you know, kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: researched but never covered. Do you think it's quite possible
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: that they had to voice the skull stuff? Then yes,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: because I do think that's actually being used now to
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: make it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: Remember when we cover the whole Esslon thing, and we
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: started to look at some of these scientists from U. C.
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: L A, Harvard, Stanford and all that this was and
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: off late fifties, early sixties, and this was the psychological angle.
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: This is the angle that we just know about. We
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: didn't even touch upon any of the physiological anatomical We
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: were just looking mainly at the psychological angle of some
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: of these tests. And so yes, it was right around
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: the same time. All of it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Sixties, late sixties seventies were wild, especially with psychological stuff.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: The shit that they were doing, the folks, shit that
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: they were doing the prisoners, it was unbelievable. I mean,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: like just heinous.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And I think to your point, Lisa, they couldn't be
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: testing the capabilities of what's possible, Yes, you know, as
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: far as mind control goes, and yeah, taking people to
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: their breaking points and what they can invoke exactly.
• 50:57
  Speaker 9: And I don't mean to keep going on this, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: remember we just brought the boys from Germany over and
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: they were doing all kinds of tests on twins, on pain.
• 51:07
  Speaker 9: Most of what we know about pain response comes from
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: these scientists. Most of the stuff that we know about
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: manipulating viruses, bacteria and all kinds of infectious agents comes
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: from these scientists. So who's to say that we're not
• 51:20
  Speaker 9: employing the B Team or the A team of program
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: to kill to see what's happened, you know, what can happen.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I think the A Team is this group that we're
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: talking about right here that came out of the sixties,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: because it was, like Brooke was saying, Randy Kraft was
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: at Edward's Air Force Base at the same time, like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Frank Zappa's dad and like all all of these these
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: assholes parents were there. I mean, it's it's it's too
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: much to be a coincident. Then, Charles Manson, like you
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: were saying, I think the sixties, especially like with with
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Randy Kraft and a couple others that I'm going to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: tie into at the end, But they were part of
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the A team, I would say, you know, and then
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: they manufactured based on their results with the first round,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: future generations of serial killers. So I would say that
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer is probably like B team because he was
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: like in the eighties or nineties something like that, so
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he's later on they've perfected it a little bit more.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Now he's like got vats of acid in his apartment
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and cooking dudes dicks off and like cannibalizing him and
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: feeding them to his neighbors and shit like it just
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: becomes more depraved as as time goes on. It's like
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: they got to up the echelon to the next you know,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: worst thing they can terrify people with. Jules, did you
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: have something you wanted to I thought I saw a
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: comment on the side there. Did you have something you
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to touch on.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I was just I was apologizing, Nick,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I was laughing for a minute. My audience has been
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: making sexual remarks at me.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And uh, do they want to put socks in you?
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want me to put stickers on my on
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: on my nipples and uh, because I've done it before.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: So it's not happening.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Guys, as long as you don't put a sock in
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: your b hole.
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah, we're not doing that either. I think they. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: think they're talking about doing that to each other. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: don't know.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I can't control what this guy say.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: They're insane. Oh and then here's Joey Pootbags here. Now, okay,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: well cool.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: So I did want to I wanted to just give
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: one other example of a time where they found a
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: victim and they basically let him totally off the hook
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: for it. They he abducted two cousins, two male cousins.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: He let one of them go and the other one
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: he kept overnight. And the next morning they found this
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: guy's decapitated head in a jetty somewhere nearby where he
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: picked these two guys up. And the cousin said, I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: can identify the car. I can identify the guy. I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: can tell you all about it. He drugged us, he
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: was weird, he threw me out of the car. He
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: took my cousin. I don't know what happened to him.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: The police brought him in for questioning. He admitted picking
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: both of them up. He said, yeah, I was with
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: him last night, but I dropped him off at home
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what happened to him after that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: And the police were like, well, that's funny because we
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: just found his fucking decapitated head right nearby where you
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: picked the guy up. And he's like, yeah, well it
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't me. No further questions, no further investigating, nothing, They
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: just let him walk right out of the police station. Literally.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: The guy's cousin said, this is a guy who picked
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: us up. He drugged us, he tossed me out of
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: a car, he took my cousin. Now my cousin's decapitated
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: and he has a sock in his bee hole and nothing.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: They do, nothing like it. It's crazy to me how
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: many times this guy looked police officers in the face
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and just was able to walk right back out of
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: the police station, no consequences. And he went on to
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: murder another like fifty sixty guys after that. If they
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: would have busted him on that murder, it could he
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: could have saved sixty men's lives.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of like Epstein, Okay, when he got
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: arrested down in Florida and he basically got that sweetheart
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: deal where he was running the jail down there for
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: a little while. When pressed about it, the Attorney General
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: of Florida at the time just said it was above
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: his pay, great and that there was nothing that he
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: could do. Because you're right, he would have, like take him,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: for example, would have been busted then and gone to
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: jail for the trafficking charges and the molestation charges. We
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: may not have that giant blackering, you know, black girl
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: ring that we had today. So if he would have
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: gotten the appropriate sentencing then, But I think that there
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: are some high level people allowing these people to walk free.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, and to me, it's like, how do
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: you justify that the cousin who saw this man was
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: in the car with him, said that he drugged us
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: and was and pushed me out of the car while
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: it was going down the highway. And now my cousin's
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: heads decapitated off, and he's got to suck in his asshole. Like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: how the fuck do you justify in just letting him
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: walk right out, Like no investigating the car even to
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: see if they can find the drugs or the like. Nothing,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you're gonna do nothing. Like that's crazy to me.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you think it's just the cops being
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: lazy or do you think that they were told to
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: maybe stand down.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I think that just like in the case of Jeffrey Dahmer,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: when they they said, hey, we're gonna, you know, respond
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: to this, you know whatever. It was that some ladies
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: called the police and they said, there's a kid out
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: in the street. He's got blood running down his asshole.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got all this stuff wrong with him.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: The police show up, they'd say, hey, we're responding to this,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: you know, complaint whatever about this boy being in the
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: street with blood running out of his asshole. And then
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, as soon as they get to
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: the scene, Jeffrey Dahmer's there and they're like, oh, well,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: this is just some gay guy stuff that we don't
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: want any part of. Let's just take him back up
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to the apartment. They get into the apartment, he's got
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: two dead people in his bedroom that have been fulay
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: open with all their freaking lungs and everything out. And
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: the police officers, these are supposed to be highly trained
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: police officers, right, you're gonna tell me they don't smell
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: that with the second he opens his apartment door. What
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: did they open the door and go, oh, this is
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: what fucking gay sex smells like. Just fucking leave him
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: here and let's go like, are you serious. There's two
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: dead bodies in the next room, and they let this
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: kid sit in there. He drilled a hole in his
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: brain and put They were like what they walk in
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the apartment, they were like, this is what dank asshole
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: smells like. Let's just drop this kid off and go like,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: are you serious as a trained police officer. You didn't
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: suspect anything, You didn't smell anything, you didn't see anything,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and you just let this kid who has blood running
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: out of his asshold down his legs all looped out
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: with no clothes on, wandering around in the street. You
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: took him back to the apartment and you left it
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: there with Jeffrey fucking Dahmer. It's too bizarre. So, in
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: my opinion, I think that they are told to leave it,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: drop it, get rid of it, cover it up right,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: act like you didn't see it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: Maybe not the momps ourselves, but they're the cops themselves
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: are told to leave it their chief.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. So in this particular instance with the guy who
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: had his head decapitated, the order to release Randy Kraft
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: came from the LA District Attorney's office specifically. So does
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: that say anything for you? The orders came down straight
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: from the l A District Attorney's office to let Randy
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Kraft go.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's what I mean. There's just some high level
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: players in these cases.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So he basically goes on ripping and running
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: through dude's buttholes for like ten to twelve years. Nobody
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: suspects him, nobody, He never gets caught, nothing until let's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: see here, I have it in my notes when he
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: gets caught. I believe it was in the eighties, Bennet,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: do you remember it was the eighties or.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: It was oh for the.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: When he gets busted.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in here. I can give you exact day.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 10: That's so many holesteen.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three. It says
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: at one ten am he's driving all erratically all over
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the place down the highway. He gets stopped by police
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: officer and they're like, hey, you need to get out
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: of the vehicle. You're driving like shit. And they noticed
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: that he's drunk. They make him do like a field
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: so variety test, which he fails because he's fucked up.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, he's just standing there waiting for the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: other police officer to inspect the vehicle because one police
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: officer is giving him the field sobriety test, the other
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: police officer is checking out the car. They go over
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: to the passenger side of the car and they realize
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: that there's another man in the vehicle, and you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: he's like trying to get the man to respond, poking him,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: talking to him whatever. He's not responding. He removes the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: jacket from the man's lap to uncover that Randy actually
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't driving erratically because he was drunk. He was driving
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: erratically because he was in the middle of sawing this
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: guy's pecker off. And this guy is dead as fuck,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: and you know, he's had all the things happened to him.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: All the Randy Craft special has happened to this guy,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: and they still do not arrest him for murder. They
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: arrest him for driving under the influence, even though he
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: has a whole dead guy in his passenger seat with
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: his pecker halfway sowd off murder. He gets arrested for
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: driving under the influence, not for having a halfway cut
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: off pecker guy in the passenger seat of his car.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Tell me that makes sense. It was only after he
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: was arrested for driving under the influence when they finished
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the investigation in his car where they found the scorecard
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: book with the names of victims, and they found several
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: photographs that he had taken, much like Jeffrey Dahmer, of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: men posed in different sexual positions who were deceased, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: they put all the puzzle pieces together. In my opinion,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: this is a case of he cooked his own goose.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: There was too much that was visible for them to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: try to save or salvage this guy. I think like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: at that point he was busted and they were gonna,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: you know, he was gonna have to pay the piper.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: But he.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Was able to get away with this forever, forever, long
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: you know, and uh, it's like, how do you how
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: do you respond to that? It's like the police officer
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: stops you and it's like you've been drinking a night. No, officer,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm actually just trying to saw this guy's pecker off.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: How about you? Like what you how do you? At
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: that point? You're fucked, You're done. You have a dead
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: body in the car. You can't you know, you can't
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: get out of it. So he did. He did get
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: the death penalty, but they were only able to get
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: him on like Bennett, do you remember like teen sixteen? Okay,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to say a fraction of the actual
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: number they have.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: I think they have him. I think it's sixty seven
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: sixty seven, even though we're sixty one in his book,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: so I don't know, you know, maybe started making his
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: book later or something.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: And also because there were those three guys doing crimes
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: all around the same time that were identical to Randy,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: it's like, was it did Randy kill sixty seven of them?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe just sixty one and the other were from the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: other guy, or it's like they had a hard time
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: kind of pinning this shit on him because there was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: so much much confusion around who was actually doing this ship.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: And he still has never admitted to anything. He swears
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: that he's innocent.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about the two other serial
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: killers who were ripping and running through dude's bat holes
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: around the same time. But before we do that, Nick,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: could you pull up a picture of this guy so
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: the listeners can see. Yeah, I just I just want
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: everybody to look into the eyes of the government cheese
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: killer before we move on, because I'm telling you this,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: whatever you've imagined in your head, he looks just like that.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: He looks like a little fucking pencil dick, fucking nay motherfucker.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want me to pull it up?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: And I got it? I think so.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Here he looks like a young mister Rooney from Ferris Bueller's.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Day Off.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: The mustache. He's gotten this dugshot.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: It's serious, yeah, he So, I just wanted everyone to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: look into the eyes of Randy Kraft, the government She's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: anus killer before we move on with the presentation, because
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: look at this guy.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: He was like almost those dead shark eyes though his
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: eyes just seemed really dead.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: And for me, the thing is, he looks kind of spindily,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: almost and it's like the kind of guys he was abducting.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: They almost have come to the conclusion that he would
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: have had to have an accomplice because a lot of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: the crime scenes, there were two pairs of footprints where
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the body was dumped. There have been seamen analysis that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: don't match him, so either somebody else killed him, but
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: he has pictures of them, so he was there, so
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: he they're thinking that he actually might have had an
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: accomplice for all of this, in which case I would
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: say a lot of people think that the Son of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Sam was multiple assailants. A lot of people think the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Zodiac Killer was multiple assailants. A lot of people So
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Randy Kraft government, she's a as killer, could have been
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: in cooots with someone and we may just never know
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: about that because it's all part of the program. Stuff
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you're not supposed to know about that. You're not supposed
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: to know about multiple assailants carrying this shit out. He
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: could have been working with one of the other serial
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: killers who got busted for doing these same crimes in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: and around the same area. It's like the Sandman. They
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: met up, they had a fucking cheeseburger together, and they
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: went and ripped and ran through a couple of dudes
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: beeles and you know, called it like this could be
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: a real club that they're in. But I'll let you guys.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I'll let you guys jump in and say whatever before
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I move on.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: What's something like anything that?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, he looks better than I expected. I guess,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know after knowing what he's done. It's kind
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: of yeah, that mental image.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: It looks like he I don't know, I snuff film
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: all over his face.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: Sorry, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: I looked. I looked up something really quick. It said
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: that his dad worked for Douglas Aerospace Company.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: His dad got him a job, obviously, so you think.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 9: That was already involved in aeronautics of some sort.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: But I've said that. I think actually Jeffrey Dahmer's dad
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: helped him out a lot because his dad was a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: scientist doing something. His dad got him into taxidermy. And
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: nobody can figure out how this guy, Jeffrey Dahmer, who
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: had no car, was able to get a five gallon
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: drum of acid into his apartment which was on the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: second floor, no elevator, with no help and where did
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: he get it from? So I mean, I think that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: he literally his dad was helping him the entire time.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Who taught him about dissolving bones into a big drum
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: acid and stuff like that. I don't know, maybe a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: scientist guy. His dad was always his fucking cheerleader throughout
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the whole tribe. Every interview, his dad was there.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: His dad was a chemistry guy, wasn't he.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa, you would know. I mean
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: it's like, if that's what you're into and your son's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: a serial killer, would you not have some aspect of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: like influence over how he perpetrated the crimes? I mean
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: to me, it looks like go ahead, or you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: like whenever we talk about the Laurel Canyon kids, their
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: parents were in the military and they were serving the country,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: doing these songs and influencing culture and what have you.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: Right, who's to say that these scientists they don't all
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: have to work at a military base. They could have
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: had private contracts in their university that the respective universities
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: that they worked at, and then they were employing their
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: kids kind of you know, following in daddy's footsteps, just
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: like the Laurel Canyon kids did. Yes, that's not supposed
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: to happen.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred, one hundred. I'm actually going to close
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: this window right here because the sun is getting in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: my ab I'll hang on a second.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm really excited to kind of hear more
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: about the other serial killers that could have potentially been
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: helping him, because I think even with Son of Sam,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I think we give these guys way too much credit
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: for them to be just a working alone.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, not to go back to the show, but like Sammon,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: like they were like like exchanging business cards, like hey,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: let's work together, you know, like it was like that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: whole creepy ass network. You know, it's just like.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you find out that he was tied
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: into the Processed Church as well. Yeah right, and he
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: talks about it, you know, and it's like you find
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: out who else is tied to the Processed Church is
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: a huge network, and it ties him to the Temple
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: set of course.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: I mean, Michael Loko, I think so many of us
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 10: know that.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: The places of power are controlled by some fucked up people, right,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: I mean that's pretty evident. I think all of us
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: here have seen behind that curtain, and this just kind
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: of is one of those things, Like I mean how
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: many times Julie did he get there? There was multiple
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: reports of him getting pulled over with bodies in the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: car and them not even searching the car or whatever
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: because you know, and I'm sorry, but you can only
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: act normal and like, oh, yes, officer, you know so
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: many times? Six times?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you pull a guy over with the mustache
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: like that and it smells like dead bee hole in
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: the car and you're telling me like nobody ever thought,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: just like Jeffrey Dahmer's apartments, Like nobody smelled anything, nobody
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: saw anything. It's like, yeah, as a police officer, are
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: you not trained to like use all your five senses
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: to like pick up on it? Like every is every
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: police officer really just that incompetent or is there something
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: going on with this guy?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: So just well sorry, I don't want to cut anybody off.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: But I was also a cop.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: So were you.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: I there's no guess, but don't judge me too late.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like that's that's
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: this is like policing one on one and again, you know,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: do we give it a pass? Because it was like
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: the seventies and it was just weird and.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Red bodies smelled this thing from the beginning. It's That's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it's like at some point this
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: guy's car had to be a picture because he used
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: to carry like photographs of the dead people in his
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: car with him. So somebody, yeah, nobody saw, nobody saw anything.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: Nobody like you, Doc, Well, I think that maybe as
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: far as you know, having so many run ins with police,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: like you said, you can only act normal so many times.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: But what if you know you're not going to go
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: to jail, you're not going to be arrested. You have
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: that confidence that you're going to be let out. Of course,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: you're going to be calm, cool and collected, even when
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: you have a decapitated corpse because you know you're going
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: to be out in three hours or twelve hours.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: They're not going to hold you because.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, your buddy's the eighty eight on shift.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. And that's why I think they were
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: so brazen a lot of the time, especially Ted Bundy.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, he escaped from prison twice. Twice, you escaped
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: from prison. It's like this guy knows, you know, like
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: there's something up here. So the two other guys that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: were ripping and running through dude's buttholes in and around
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: the same time as Randy Craft, the first guy's name.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: He was also known as the Freeway Killer. Just like
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Randy Craft. His name is Patrick Wayne Kerney. And I'm
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: not sure if you guys have ever heard of this guy,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: but he's a prolific serial killer out of the sixties
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: as well. That, just like Randy Craft, was from southern California,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: and he murdered by dismembering, disemboweling, and cutting his victim's
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: hearts and lungs out. And he's known to have killed
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: at least twenty eight young men in the way he
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: raped them and then he would dismember them, disembowel them,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: and just like Grandy Craft, it's like, how do you tell?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And then he would dump them on the side of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: the freeway. How do you tell who's doing what? When
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: you got two guys in southern California who are both gay,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: ripping and running through young men in various ways, and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: you look at Patrick Kearney and it's like, Okay, what
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: are the other similarities. Patrick Kearney was in the Air Force,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: just like Grandy Craft. Patrick Kearney was highly intelligent and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: he spent a lot of time stationed at some type
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: of Air Force base in Texas, where he became best
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: friends with Lee Harvey Oswalt. I can't make this shit up,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: you guys. Of course he did. After Patrick Kearney joins
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: the Air Force, he is sent to Dallas, Texas, and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: he befriends Lee Harvey Oswald and they go to language
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: school together. They become best friends, and he has he
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: said that he drove Lee Harvey Oswell to the Mexican
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: border and went to Mexico City with him on top
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: secret operations, then returned to California to rip and run
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: through dude's buttholes with Randy Kraft also in the airs,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: shoving socks up people's bee holes. And it's like, okay,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: what are some other weird things about Patrick Kearney that
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: fit the program to kill Blueprint? When he returned to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: California before he started his murder spree, he bought a
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he used to pick up all
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: of his victims, just like fucking Ted Bundy. So it's like,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: come on, you guys, is that just the murder vehicle?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: That's just so random? He's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: He's in the Air Force. He's ripping and running through
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: dude's buttholes. He has a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. I mean, yeah, he's just checking all the
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: boxes literally literally. So he was also a necrophile, something
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: that Randy Kraft did not do that Patrick Kerney was
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: involved with. But much like Ted Bundy, he was into necrophilia.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of like I said at the beginning
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: of this episode, you got to understand that there's like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: this governmental program aspect of it, but there's also a
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: lot of ritualism. And I think that there's a lot
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: of ritualism in the way that they killed their victims.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of ritualism in necrophilia and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of the like taking the hearts out of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: the victims, you know, doing this stuff. It's it's significant
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: to them. And you know, just the fact that he's
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: documented as being friends with Lee Harvey Oswald, it should
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: bother people, you know, because this guy was getting away
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: with it for a really long time, just like Randy
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Kraft was, and they couldn't even tell the victims apart.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: They were so similar. Tell me, these two didn't know
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: about each other. They had to have. And then in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, the third guy pops up and his
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: name is William Bonnen and he was also referred to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: as the Freeway Killer. So Randy Kraft, Patrick Kearney, and
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: William Bonnen were all known as the Freeway Killer. They
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: all were raping and torturing and murdering boys in southern California.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: And he's he confessed to twenty one murders and he
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: was also specifically in the Air Force. Around the same time,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Patrick Kearney and Randy Craft were in southern California perpetrating
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: almost identical crimes as each other, and was able to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: get away with it from nineteen sixty eight until nineteen eighty. So,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys, it's it's too much. It's too much.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this so far?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like too much to be coincidence, you know,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: it freaking wild spot.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of them, all three of them, or
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: one just just.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: The main guy, but I mean, yeah, all three of them,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: even looking into serial killers, I've never He's never crossed
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: my path so well.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Out of this southern California area, the Golden State Killer,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: also military. Right in California, there was a guy named
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Lonnie David Franklin Junior, known as the Grim Sleeper, also military.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: He started murdering in and around nineteen eighty five Richard Ramirez.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Did you guys, Do you guys know about the military
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: connection with Richard Ramirez? I didn't, Okay, let me tell
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: you what I found. Would you say name?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: I know I've come across it somehow, but I don't
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: remember what it is.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: So people don't actually relate Richard Ramirez as having military connections.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: But I found this interesting little article on him, and
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: it says that at the age of twelve, Richard Ramirez
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: was taken under the wing of his older cousin named
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Mike Valez, who was a soldier in the US Army
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: who himself had become a serial killer and a rapist
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: during his service in the Vietnam War, and Valis often
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: boasted of committing gruesome war crimes in Vietnam and shared
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: polaroid photos with young Ramirez showing Vietnamese women who he
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: had raped, murdered, dismembered, and decapitated. So, in my opinion,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: he has military esque connections right because his role model.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: His older cousin, Miguel Mike Valles, was in the US
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Army during Laurel Canyon, right Vietnam shit, dismembering, disemboweling, and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: decapitating women's heads off, and this is who Richard Ramirez
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: grew up as his role model. So to me, that counts.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: That's like a sub sect of the program to Kill Academy.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: That's that's weird stuff.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 9: Julia Fie, Yes, go ahead really quickly. In that you
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: talked about how these three, these three men were they
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: all air Force. Yes, author, So we have the Air
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: Force being created in nineteen forty seven. It is an
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: offshoot of the Navy. It's brand new, and they're doing
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: a lot of testing. They're doing a lot of experimentation.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: A lot of the guys of some of Los Alamo's,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: the Atomic Commission and all that other stuff is kind
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: of in this whole realm esque of things. And if
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: you hear by Los Alamo's, you know it's not just
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: looking for the splitting of the atom. There were doing
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 9: all kinds of other stuff as well. And then you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: have the connection that you made with Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: and I think Nick and I kind of flirted with
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 9: the idea of doing a show on this because Lee
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 9: Harvey Oswald has intense connections to have never left the military.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 9: He was always doing some sort of secret op with
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: the military. He comes from a prominent family. He was
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: also involved in the testing in a medical government contracted
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 9: facility in New Orleans where they developed a weapon to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 9: potentially kill Fidel Castro in the form of fast acting
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: cancer vaccine. He is very intimately related with that entire
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: project as too far that the girl he was dating
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: at the time who was doing the experiment, they were dating,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 9: so he was there. So you have the Texas Louisiana connection,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 9: you have the military connection, you have the experimentation, you
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: have going down to Mexico. You have all of that,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 9: and then now have these serial killers who were in
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: the Air Force, and you're having the Air Force and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: all kinds of testing. I don't know that you need
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: any more connections.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Lisa, one hundred Yeah. I mean you
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: painted a beautiful picture of what I think even Brooke
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: it and Bennett and Jules would agree is this is
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: definitely by design. This is an experiment. They're figuring shit
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: out right. It's all part of this Laurel Canyon esque era.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: And I think that the music scene and the serial
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: killer scene are the were projects that they were interested
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: in and pursuing during this time. They were the training
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: wheels for what was to come. I mean, look at
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: how serial killers and how music has changed since then.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: It's like they just it gets worse with time, it
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't get better.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: I wish the CIA would come back and fix some
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: ship up because I'm so fucking sick of like Lady
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: Gaga and stuff like that, Like bring back like the
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon Jim Morrison ship. I love, Yeah, because.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: Like since eighty nine, the amount of serial killers is
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: just gone straight down.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I would love. I would love a
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: renaissance ofthing.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: That'd gone away or anything. I'm just saying that it's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: way less since nineteen eighty nine. That seems to be
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: the tipping year.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: So here's a question for you. So how many of
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: these serial killers do you think are organic? And like
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: just hypothetically in how money are by design, Like if
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: I had to put a.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Percentage on it, like you know I have in my lifetime,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: which I'm not older any shit like that, But I've
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: never met a serial killer. I've never known anyone who
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: has met a serial killer. So it's like it makes
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: you wonder how many of them there actually are, or
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: if the numbers are inflated, and how many of them
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: are organic?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 11: So yeah, and how these strange connections you know, it's yeah,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 11: they all seem to have these strange connections, and so
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 11: it's kind of like, you know, does it just a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 11: natural I mean, side psychopaths obviously exist, but to go
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 11: so far as to, you know, do what some of
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 11: these guys do, it's just I don't know.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I want to say, like maybe maybe ten percent I
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys could agree with me, but
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: maybe ten percent are just random psychos that like murder
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: their mom or something or less.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like Ed Kemper, did he have any ties
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: to the military or anything or probably.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: It seems like there is a lot right of folks
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: tied to the military. Now, the one thing I am
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: going to say about that is that you do have
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: an an exorbitant amount of psychopaths in the military, and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: they can go one of two ways. So it's just like,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry too, but the way that cops are you
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: cops are just their psychological profiles are right on that
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: razors edge of either you can neither be a cop
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: for good or you can just be a fucking psychopath, right, murderer,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: like the perfect criminal. Right. So I not I'm not
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: saying all cops. I'm saying a lot of them psychologically. Especially.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: You have those guys in the military, especially guys and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: special ops who frankly a lot of them are and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: we all know who they are that that are there
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: for not because they love God and country. They're there
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: because of clout or because they frankly want to kill
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: people or they we everyone that's been in the military
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: knows one of those guys. So it's like, so, do
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: those psychopaths just live and then and then if they
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: go to war and get broken by shit that they
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: have to do or whatever, does that just exacerbate things?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Who knows? I don't know. I'm just thinking of psychological trauma.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: Is trauma is a crazy thing.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 8: And so.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Said too it also maybe they do some bad ship
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: and then that opens the door for them to get
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: corrupted by whoever or whatever.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 10: Physical or non physical entity.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: That's right, I mean, Doc, Doc brought it up in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: the thing. It sounds like, you know, terrestrial spirits sometimes
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: like some of these things like fuckers do some wicked
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: ship and open some crazy fucking doors and let in
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: some crazy stuff. I mean, because when you get bored
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: in the military too, they just do dumb shit. It's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: teenagers doing dumb shit.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: I think if you're if you're highly functioning enough and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: it's and it's scouted out early enough, yes, that they
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: will choose very young men to be you know, used
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: in unspecified capacities inducted into the military.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: And so many of these people and again I'll say it,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: it was brought up in the chat adults that were
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: bullied as kids flexing now like flexing, Oh we've got
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: the power now. You see that a lot with police officers,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: You see that a lot with the military folk and
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: people in power, and then they just get addicted to that. Right,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: So I mean, but.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: To the point, but to the point of murdering is
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: what we're Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Now, it's crazy.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: And because serial killer or.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Just yeah it's possible.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Still, I still would say only ten percent are the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: ones you're talking about, like from a young age or
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: like you know, a.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: Power saying I'm saying that they there's an mo right. Definitely,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: people that can be manipulated. Yeah, the folks and the
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: people that that we've been talking about and that you've
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: been alluding to the fact that they're controlled. That's how
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: they recruit them anyway, because they can be molded and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: manipulated and twisted and boom there you go.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know who else I think it's like best
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: I think I think cops, military surgeons, and doctors.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: I think they killers were doctors.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: You heard of that one doctor who was literally running
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: around fucking murdering the shit out of people.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: I have one. I have one in my hometown in Connecticut.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 10: Family.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: He put his whole family through a wood chipper.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: There's been a few of them that were also just interested.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: And I found this interesting because because of certain things
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: like when it comes to the occult, you know, we've
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: me and Lisa have covered like you know, there's books
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: back in like the sixteen seventeen hundreds of people are
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: drawing like detailed ship and it's just like, how are
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: you coming across that? And probably fun cutting open dead
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: bodies or whatever, you know, who knows what's going on?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: And like in the movie from Hell, didn't she Like
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: in the movie from Hell, they show kind of like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: Freemason's cutting people open and looking at him and stuff,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: and that Jack the Ripper movie. But like, I uh, fuck, oh,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: you know how many there has been a few serial killers,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: and I've just wondered, like it's just like some weird
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: shit that's like common and maybe is the occult somehow
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: you know, involved in it where they're very interested in
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: cutting people open and seeing their insights. There's been a
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: few of them that even say that.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Like they taken of the heart out, the taking of
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: like the like Jack the Ripper, one of the very
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: first serial killers to ever by the way, definitely if
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Programmed to Kill was around for that time period, fucking
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Jack the Ripper would have been one of them. Because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: I have heard that it was like Auster Crowleys.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: I've heard he was he was an English lord.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: He was part of one of those bloodlines and they
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: just kind of let them out on the loose at
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: at night.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 10: We're just like he'll come back in the morning.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Also heard that he was acting on behalf of the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: one Petrova what's her names king, Yes, she was acting
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: on her behalf because she was actually more popular.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: He was kind of doing these these kind of uh
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: you know, these murders as these rituals in the field,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: and she was maybe doing the incantations and stuff behind
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: the scenes.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: She was the mind behind the murder.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 10: The magic or the Yeah, if.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 9: You look at the victims, there were certain victims that
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 9: had missing body parts. Yeah, female, it was almost like
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 9: a stuck curement.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 10: Were they making a freaking star.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: It was like uterus tits, like weird stuff like that.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: They would they were removing that like specifically.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: You can look it up right now.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 10: Or they were trying to make some timunculous something.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: Uh, you could look it up now on the internet
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: if people, you know, want to check it out. Alista
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Crowley blames Helena Bolovotsky for Jackson River.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Nick, Like, there's always an aspect
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: of this that's magical.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: He said that other people were doing it for like
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: a ritual some sort of shit.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: But when you look at like modern day serial killers,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: don't you get that same vibe Like with Jeffrey he
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to. He said, I want to build an altar
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: out of the bones. I want to build an altar
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: with the skulls and the bones and the he was like,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: I'll paint it black and I'm going to turn this
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: guy's skull into a lamp and like do all this
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: stuff with it. And then he said he couldn't get
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: charged up to like go murder people unless he watched
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: The Exorcist Part three or some shit like that, and
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: like he would wear yellow contacts and he would do
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: all this. It's like, to me, there's a lot.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 9: Of ritualism, but it's almost like, why does he need
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 9: to get charged up? I thought you would if you're
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 9: a serial killer, you ought ramatically just do it on
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: the fly. I mean, like it's on it's on drip right,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 9: Like you know, you don't need to get charged up
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 9: for it.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: Like he's he should be juiced up and ready to
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: go at all times.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 9: Like you got you got you know, your to do list,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 9: You've got your honey do list for the week, and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 9: you're like, crap, no, I have to go do this.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Well have you been in Oh go ahead, Britt, I
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: was going.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: To ask, have you guys seen the show The Hunting Party?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 9: I have not.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So when you were talking about, uh, you know,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: potentially some big players involved Basically the premise of the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: show is it's about serial killers who either go to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: jail or get caught, and they're supposedly say they get
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: the death penalty or go to jail, but really they're
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: taken to this black CIA site where they testing on them,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and they they're not really dead, and long story short,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: it's it ties back to the Attorney General who's actually
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: running this site, and they're running tests on these serial
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: killers and somebody like explodes this silo and they all escape,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: and then it's up to this like CIA black Ops
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: team to go procure them all because they want to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: test their empathy. They want to test to see if
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: they can cure them or fix them or Wow, they.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Really thought outside the box on that one. Like I
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: wonder where they got their fucking inspiration from. I don't know.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I'm saying, but that that's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: just just that's just real life stuff. Like sometimes I
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: watch a show and it's supposed to be like fantasy
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and I'm like, dude, that no, that's real,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: like that black mirror shit. No, sorry, that's our reality
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: right now. Like we're living in American horror story. This
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: is all real you know, murderers, witches.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: Methods, what they're doing anyway.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and actually I wanted to mention as one
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: of the other serial killers that I want to talk
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: about eventually with you guys, is that Dating Game Killer
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: came out of Southern California as well in the sixties,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: also military background, and he was said to be he
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: had like a genius IQ and shit, and he went
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: on to study film under Roman Polaan Ski, shocker, and
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: he found his way onto the Dating Game Show, one
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: of the most popular shows on television back then. So
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: you tell me there's not some type of connections with
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: these fucking guys. The Dating Game Killer murdered like one
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty women and he was friends with Roman
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Polayan Skis from Southern California. He was in the military.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: He has a genius level IQ. He found his way
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: onto the Dating Game show and he won that round
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: of the dating game. And it's like, that's why they
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: made a movie about it on Netflix, because that girl
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: refused to go out with him even after he she
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: picked him because she said he gave me the creeps.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: That just goes to show you a woman's intuition. But
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: that guy definitely checks all the boxes for program to kill.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: And Randy Kraft didn't he have a really high IQ
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: as well, like one hundred and twenty nine.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, don't they always have a really high IQ? Most
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: serial killers have.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I think i Q. I think that's the that's that's
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: what they look for. I think that's their preference. I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: think John Wayne Gacy was halfway retarded.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: I think I think that's IQ.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, there's been a couple where I've
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: been like, were you like the last pick? You know,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: like everybody else you know, and it's like I have
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: to pick one. I guess I'll take me. That's class
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: d U, Yeah, class D.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, There's been a couple of serial killers that
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: have been like, how the fuck did you even murder anybody?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: You're so stupid.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 9: It would be like setting apex predators in that they
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 9: are not necessarily killing for survival, they're killing just to kill,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 9: and the fact that they are high IQ. That that
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: pretty much, I mean, I would think constitutes apex predation.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you know who else kind of fits this mold.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever heard of him,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: but his name was Herb Baumeister and he took a
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: bunch of he was gay serial killer that took a
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys back to his house and said, you know,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: I'll give you some drinks and you can swim in
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: my indoor swimming pool, and then he would drown him
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: in the pool and do all kinds of weird stuff
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: to him. William Ramsey actually talks about her Baumeister because
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: he's another one that fits the program to kill model.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure he has a military background. I'm
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: not sure if he's from California, but he's said to
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: be like genius level IQ type of guy. He was
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: a family man, had kids on the side, was a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: gay serial killer. Like where do they where do they
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: find these guys? Like literally.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah to Brooks question, I think prior to nineteen forties,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 9: I think if we were a serial killer, you're probably organic.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 9: But after that I think you were astroturfed, had the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 9: high potential to be That's that's what I think.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Well, so government, She's anus killer is still alive. Actually
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: he's on death row. If you want to write him
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: a letter, tell him, you you know, tell him you
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: listen to a rather interesting episode about him on a
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: podcast and just wanted to know. I heard you were
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: the government cheese anus killer. Please let me know if
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: you are CIA or and ormentaryan candidate. Thank you, and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll see before the grim Reaper comes for
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: him on death row if he ever fesses up. He
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: still says he has no memory of his crimes. Yeah,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I mean that, that to me is really interesting. If
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: that's true and he has no memory of doing any
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: of that's like, what type of deprogramming shit are you
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: on that you just don't remember? And he will stand
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: by that that he just doesn't remember any of it.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: So find it crazy too that the most active period
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: of serial killers in the US is between nineteen seventies
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: and nineteen nineties. Specifically, the eighties saw the highest number
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: of active serial killers.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think were they?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 9: I think so?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: And some of the most well known serial killers operated
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: during peak period. Bundy Dahmer, Mira's, Kasey Kemper, all these
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: guys crazy.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: I forget the research into a lady in there.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's another one. The guy that like
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: made lamps out of people's uh fores games and ship
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: there's they're supposed to be doing a Netflix documentary thing
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: on that guy with the same guy that did Dahmer,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: Evan Peters. I think he's supposed to be playing ed
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Gian in an upcoming You know, it's always like the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: ones that gets face realized he is fucked.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: But in my opinion, that guy Psyche is gone, like
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: from him being on American Horror Story to portraying all
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: the characters he did on there than Domer now this, Yeah, man,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: that guy's cooked.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: He probably is, But I just think there's got to
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: be more to this story if they want to make
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: a docu series on Netflix about it, Just like The
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: Menindas Brothers, there's more to that story too.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: And it's crazy. Like the seventies you had three hundred
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: individuals active serial killers, right, yeah, the eighties was two
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty, and then from by the twenty tens
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: you were down to fifty. And that's I mean, of
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: course these numbers are you know, what what what they what?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: They they think they know, right, but what a decline
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: that's insane, Like I mean, it just shows what was
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: happening exactly, and that's what I'm saying.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Mastered it and they moved on yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: mean one hundred. I think I think the sixties were
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: the training wheels. The eighties were like boom, now we
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: really got it. And then it was like, okay, now
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: now that we've you know, mastered this, let's move on
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: to a new, bigger and better things.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: Who knows, you could have gone to different countries.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Too, just saying, right, and I think they've taken their
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: sacrifices up to a whole new scale.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: There you go, different, different.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: Coming in with the mass murder, Sandy Hook and call
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: them bye.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: They could have also diverted their attention to these weird
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: cult scenes. We got Waco, we got I mean so yeah,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: after the eighties things started to look a little bit different,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: but the body count didn't change.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: I was even going to say, I wonder if some
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: of the serial killers have higher body counts near the end,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: but less of them.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: And also we got into two giant wars. Ah, yes, yep,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: ye talk about body counts. I'm not saying our guys
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: necessarily either.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 9: How much of it has gone online and you don't.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah right?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: You know, well, yeah, we know every media tells us.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: So if it's not being reported, you wouldn't know unless
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: you you know where to look.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I oh, go ahead, Lisa.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 9: No, just real quick, sorry, Julia, I don't, I can't.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry about interrupting the whole episode. Just it's so exciting.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: The entire the entire content is just so exciting.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: I love hearing. Go ahead.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 9: But everything you said, how they all have military background,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 9: the commonality with the serial killers at this time frame,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: all have commonality of being in the military. If we
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: look at these mass murderers, especially some of the people
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 9: that are involved with with big shootings and what have you,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 9: they all wore under surveillance of FBI, every single one
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 9: of them. So there is a commonality with some of
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: these signatures that there there's a thread, right, So it's
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 9: almost like it has the signature that you're looking for
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 9: in these serial killers or these mass murderers. Probably is
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 9: behind the payroll.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: You see that thread run through the colts too. Oh,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: the FBI was watching. I was watching.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 9: Where are their pensions coming from?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, Lisa, definitely, I mean you nailed it. Where is
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: some money and like some of this stuff, well, they have.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: A job and then a lot a lot of these
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: FEDS end up going missing later committing suicide or you
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: know that it's uh.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: On a yeah, well, and it's like how did they
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: if you really look back in time, It's like how
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: did they sustain their lifestyle? Because Jeffrey was supposed to
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: have worked at like a chocolate factory during the day,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: and like, I had all this money to buy five
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: gallon drums of acid, power tools, rent for his apartment,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: and do all these things. He's working part time at
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: a fucking chocolate factory. He's taken dudes out to bars
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: every single night. He's got money for drugs, he's got
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: money for alcohol. He's got It's like, who's the same.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: Thing with Columbine and all the guns at Columbine. It's like,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: how did those kids get those guns?
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 10: You know what I mean?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: And all that AMMO the like, no, it was given
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: to them, it has.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: To be right. It's like, where are they getting the
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: fucking funds?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know how truthful this is. I mean,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: I guess I'd have to ask somebody that was in
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: the Vietnam War. But when you watch it portrayed on
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: TV or in the movies, you see these people living
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: in like mud huts. But yet they're like shooting helicopters down.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: How the fuck did you even get those weapons?
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: Someone gave it to a obviously if that's it's the case,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: somebody funded these people too. I mean, all you do
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: is you drop off a creative fucking shit. Somebody's gonna
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: start touching with him, playing with it. Just have a helicopter,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: Just drop it in the village there you go have.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Fun, right or I mean it's like, do you guys
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: ever remember Ted Bundy ever having a job ever? Like,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: did it ever say? He worked part time at Wendy's,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: He shined shoes at a train station, Like, did he
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: ever have a fucking job ever? But he's able to
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: buy train and plane tickets to Florida, He's able to
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: live in multiple areas of the US, Florida, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: He's always on the move, he's always staying at luxury
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: hotels and shitept.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: That he came from the family, that Bundy family, you know,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: which is a well known American Illuminati bloodline. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: His dad was definitely military, so maybe.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: He did come from that bloodline and they were just
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: well to do, but still getting funded.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: You know, somebody's funding this shit, somebody's given them stuff.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, the second I see a Netflix movie or
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: documentary pop up about a serial killer, I immediately want
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: to start looking into them because it's like, oh, this
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: is one of yours, right, this is the this is
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: one of the It's like it kind of makes me
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: want to look at Scott Peterson. It kind of makes
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: me want to look at you know. I talked to
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: JJ about OJ and I learned a lot of interesting
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: information because it's like these ones that get propped up. Please,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: for the love of God, look into him, because you
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: will find stuff that will rock your fucking world. It
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: will make you look at everything differently. And it's like
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: they got zac Efron to play Ted Bundy, like really
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: like one of the sexiest guys of all time, so
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: you fan what fantasize about him. It's weird, maybe a
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: pretty good job. He like there's like a sexualization to
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: it though, right, Like, why would you pick such a
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: handsome man to put And it.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 10: Was wasn't Bundy.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: He's supposed to be like handsome or whatever, like that
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: era or whatever.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: He would he wouldn't know, Zach Effer.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: You know, it was weird though, Like now when you
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: want to get into like the drue crimeer, nowadays you
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: had like supposedly mad crazy chicks are going nuts for
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: sucking the kid from Idaho four and it's like, yo,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: that dude was like fucking funked.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Up, looking like people who said the Columbine one of
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: the Columbine was attractive? Am I wrong about that?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: You could just be like people who are attracted to
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: sick folks. What it could really mean is that just
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: humanity's at that point right now.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: There's women who get off on right, and.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: It's just become so desensitized. And I think I used
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: to be really big into the true crime. I used
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: to love listening to true crime podcasts, and I think
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: I just got to this point where I'm like, I
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: just can't consume it as much anymore, looking into such
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: a dark psyche like that. And it's like, you're right,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: all of these crime shows are so mass produced. It's
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: these documentaries and people like drool over it and feed
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: over it, and it's kind of I've gotten to a
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: point now where I'm kind of disgusted by it, Like
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: how people get so excited over I know you're talking
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: about the guy who remember the guy who killed his
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: family I think can't remember his name, and then he
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: had that girlfriend on the side and he literally killed
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: his baby.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Girls in the oil fields.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 10: Chris.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: He's another one of those guys that women go crazy over.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: And I just think that the way that true crime
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: is pushed out in this murder and you know, just
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: all this girls, it's just gross how much.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: Idolizes they idolized.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, it idolizes it. And to me, like, I'm with
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: because I I used to watch the crime shows. I
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: used to listen to crime junkies podcasts. I used to
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: listen to There was a girl that I used to
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: follow on YouTube that would do her makeup and like
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: talk about serial killers and shit, she's real cute. But
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: the problem is, it's like, and I don't want to
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: sound like I'm better than anyone, but it's like, you're
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: not giving people the full truth when you talk about
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: this stuff. If you're not going to mention that these
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: are most likely by design murderers who have been turned
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: against their own people and created by secret military programs,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like you're sensationalizing the death part in
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: the murder part and the killer part, but you're not
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: talking about where they came from or why they even exist,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: because until like the sixties, nobody was worried about you know, hey,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: did you make sure the front doors? We don't want
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: fucking Richard Ramirez to come in here and rape grandma,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: Like nobody was talking about that. So, I mean, if
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get into the true crime, you have to
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: back it up with where it potentially came from the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: whole serial killer movement, much like the Laurel Canyon. It's
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: it's a setup, and you know, we've we've fallen for
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: it totally, and.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: How much money it has generated as a genre, yes,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 9: huge energy.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: Oh energy, Yeah, you know there's even I've even mentioned
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: this with uh. It's about with Lisa, Uh, just talking
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: about the podcast in general, just like sometimes like either
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: the show not going through so much growing pains, but
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: maybe like me deciding like what do I really want
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: to do? What do I enjoy doing? And I had
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: said at one point, even with the True Crime, I said,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: it's almost like uncomfortable because it's like you are kind
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: of like pimping out, like real fucked up shit, and
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: like at one point, yeah, and I was like and
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: at one point, like when the show first started, that
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: was a different co host that I had, and they
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: were very much geared to like always covering pedophilia shit,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: you know, very like hashtag save the children type dude,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: and even that shit was sorry to get to me
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: because I was like, oh, this is just like fucking
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: like something like you know, it's like yo, like I'm
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: not for nothing, but I was just like putting this
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: shit out, I'm gonna fucking break the internet and stop
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: it from happening, like what the fuck? Like I don't know.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: Just after a while, it's like this is just weird
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: and just that and true crime. It's just like I
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: kind of wanted I mean, I know we're doing a
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: true crime now, but like if people were to kind
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: of look at how the show was in the beginning, uh,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: you could definitely say that it definitely changed with that.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: I think it was like a little too much, and
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: I just looked at it as kind of like a
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: little weird. Yeah, and I just hate I'm gonna be
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: totally honest with you people that are huge into both,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just throwing it out there every cult minded and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: that sort of get me wounded out to just be
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: totally honestly.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's good to take it in small doses.
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  Speaker 3: That's why, you know, my show is not mainly about
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: true crime or the pair of political realm. But I still,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I produce a show every Tuesday that dives
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: into Mark, Mark Dutroux and the Process and Temple is City,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: you know, so I get my feel of all that stuff.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel you on just like the constant
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: consuming of it.
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  Speaker 10: I couldn't do it. I couldn't talk about it like
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 10: that either.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: Well even for me, it was just like even for
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: the whole thing of the show, it's like I'm like,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to actually pedle fear. I'm actually trying
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: to pedal like, you know, not so much knowledge but information.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: And it's like all I'm doing is just handing fear
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: and hate to my listeners when I cover that stuff
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: over and over and over.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: For me, I think the problem with presenting it in
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: certain ways is that it's like Nick and Jules was saying,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: it can almost drain you to a certain degree if
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: you present it in certain ways. I like to present
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: it in a way that I would feel like it's
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: more empowering to the listener, like, can you believe they've
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: ran this program on us? Can you believe the connections
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: between these guys. This isn't on accident. There's not random
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: crazy people that are going to come to kids, right
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: It's like they are running game on us, and we
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: need to wake up to the fact that there is
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: not random serial killers in your neighborhood that are going
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: to come and kill you in your fucking house with
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: your kids. There's unless there unless, But you look at
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: the victims most of the time, they're they're chosen for
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: a reason. Even with the Manson murders, Sharon Tate and
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: all those people were chosen for a reason, you know,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: And it's.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that that was a sacrifice right there, because
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: wasn't Polanski shooting Rosemary at the time.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there is something there.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. For me, I think it's
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: empowering to talk about the programmed aspect of it, because
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there are serial killer
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: shirt Most of them are fucking psychos that have been
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: ran through some kind of a program. A lot of
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: the victims, a lot of this stuff is staged. Even yeah,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of stuff is, numbers are inflated,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: stuff gets there's crisis actors, there's you know. So when
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I talk about it, I like to come at it
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: from an angle of yes, this stuff is real, it's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: not what you think it is. You got to look
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Most of these people are connected and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: just be weary when you see something in the news,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: when you see a Netflix documentary, when you see something
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: like this, you have to look in the background because
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: when you do, it almost makes you feel better, like,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: ah shit, this is all like stage scripted, this is programmed,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: this is you know, it gives you back the uh
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: discernment of is this scary or not? And most of
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: the time it's not because it's like, oh it's another
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: fucking CIA program. Thanks guys, fuck you.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's always those guys.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 9: You know me.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: Even even like the last thing that I think that
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: this show even covered, like true crime like me and List,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: I covered the Zizians, and when we covered that, I
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: think we might have spent a total like four minutes
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: actually talking about what the fuck they did, and the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: whole other two hours was actually their connections all through
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: AI and we're to actually show there's something that's created this.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, see the funding, the you know, how it's being
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 9: propped up potentially.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a little bit different too, And the
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: way you covered that way, I'm a little bit more comfortable,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: but some people just don't know it's different and.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 9: It covers it. I absolutely love it, like it's.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: Very That's why I have heard it all the time.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 9: Though, Yeah, in that it's in depth, but it's not
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 9: it's not heavy, yeah for sure. And I know, like
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 9: the reason that I was very into true crime and
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 9: I still am, I'll admit it, is that I have
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 9: a hyper analytical brain that if it's not over analyzing
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 9: and piecing and tearing apart things and putting them back together,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 9: I tend to go mad a little bit. And and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 9: so that kind of serves as an outlet as a puzzle, like, oh,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 9: there's this puzzle that you my brain can kind of
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 9: work on in the background. But then when we started
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 9: covering the Smiling Face Killers and seeing how all of
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 9: it was contrived and how multiple areas where there were
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 9: corners or medical examiners not even investigating the case, I
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 9: was like, this is this isn't even a real investigation.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 9: You start to loose my brain start to lose the
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 9: ability to want to piece it all together because of
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 9: evidence it was being presented was manufactured. Almost. So, yeah,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 9: it definitely definitely everything you said really at one hundred
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 9: percent agree.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Lisa. I'm glad you can see it the
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: same way too, because I think there's a lot of
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: power and just knowledge, like make yourself aware of simple
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: explanations for things. Don't make it like a crazy bunch
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: of killers out there and you never know when one's
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: going to strike and or if you're going to be like, yeah,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: I get it. There is crime. There are real rapists,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: there are real psychos out there. But the ones that
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: get their own Hulu special I mean the ones that
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you you check those sure to.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: Make sure it's locked it's I think those are all
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: for sure fake. I think those are ways that they
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: still drain and make money off.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: Of the fucking thing.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: It's part of the theater, just like politics are part
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: of the theater, right, just like assassination attempts can be
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: part of the theater. Just like I mean, it's all
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: part of the theater. Just like as we were talking
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: about with Lee Harvey Oswald a little bit ago, how
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: he knew one of these serial killers, Patrick Ernie, and
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: like we all know what happened with JFK and stuff
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: like that, and it's like, dude, it's all part of
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: this show. They all know each other, they all probably
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: fucking hang out. This is not an accident. And you
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: know when you know shit like that, you start to
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: feel better about Like, Okay, they're doing this intentionally to
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: terrify people. And how about fuck you?
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: But mine is if my notes say butthhole socks in it,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: it's a good freaking episode.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean the next time, next time you
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: see a body on the side of the road, make
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: sure you check their be hole for a sock, because
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Randy Craft is still alive and he could very easily
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: escape prison and murder someone near you.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: All right, Uh I realize that's the title is episode, right,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: be whole Sick.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 10: It's a good title.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Kraft Government cheese, be whole sock killer.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, mm hmm oh damn. All right, Uh well, thank
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 5: you very much, Julia. That was awesome as usual. That's
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: what we love having you on for these Let everybody
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: know where they can find only your amazing stuff again.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: Please, thanks Nick and thanks. I absolutely love tonight's show
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: and everybody that was a part of the conversation. Matthew McConaughey,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: Bennett with this ASMR voice broke amazing, Lisa always insightful,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: loved every minute of it. I have my own show.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: It's called Cosmic Peach Podcast and it's available wherever you
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: listen to podcasts. And I am in accult reject part time.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: Have a show once a week on the Cult of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: Conspiracy that you can check out on Saturdays. And yeah,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: I I just I like having a good time working
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: with people having these type of conversations. It's just it's
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: fun and entertaining but also informational. And thanks for having me.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 5: Definitely, no, thank you for presenting it. I appreciate it. Uh.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 5: You know, when I let the other reject real quick
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: plug plug theirselves as well, we'll go with Jewels real Quick.
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• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: Can find you, guys, another banger of a show.
• 2:02:31
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• 2:02:31
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• 2:02:37
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• 2:03:13
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• 2:03:20
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• 2:03:22
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• 2:03:30
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• 2:03:34
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• 2:03:38
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• 2:03:42
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• 2:03:43
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• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: Well, and go check out our episode of All Yeah
• 2:03:51
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• 2:03:54
  Speaker 10: Another banger.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: So appreciate you guys. Thanks all, appreciate it and Bennett so.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: So thanks for having me on. Guys, it was great.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: It was so much fun. Be holes and all. You
• 2:04:12
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• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: Thank you much.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 10: I'll followed you over there by the way, Deniciata, thanks
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 10: yeah man.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: And our bedtime stories with Bennette.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: Hey, you know I'm always looking to do another broadcast,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: So there you go. Keep if I don't do enough, and.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, Brock. Please let everybody know what they can
• 2:04:44
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• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for having me on,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: and thank you Julia for presenting the topic. I think
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: you showed us tonight that the web is so much
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: wider than we thought and it goes deep. But thank
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: you again for having me on. You can and find
• 2:05:00
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• 2:05:04
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• 2:05:08
  Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Brook, I always appreciate you coming
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: on the show. And last and not Elise Lisa the
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: occult reject demanded scientist, what is going on?
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  Speaker 9: Thank you for inviting me? Julia, amazing presentation always and
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 9: I know that you know we would, don't I want
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: to do more serial killers with you. I'm sorry. I'm
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 9: just going to come out and say it. I love
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 9: the way you cover them. I love discussing them with you.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 9: I would like for this entire Panelytics stay exactly the
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 9: same when we discuss another serial killer, please please, please,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 9: And so just going to put that out there. Thank
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 9: you everyone. I very much enjoyed the discussion. And the
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 9: only thing I would like to plug is the Occult
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 9: Research Institute dot org, where some of the rejects have
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 9: contributed in a literary form content to things that have
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 9: been discussed on the podcast or not. But it supplies
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 9: a lot of information esoteric, ecoteric, what have you. But
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 9: please check us out there on a cult research institute
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 9: dot org.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Lisa, and thank you everybody again
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 5: on the paddle. That was awesome. I had a great chat,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 5: and thank you for everybody in the chat as well.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: That's what's up. I saw a lot of people there
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 5: in the YouTube chat from the beginning to end. I
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 5: appreciate that. That's where we go live and until the
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 5: next one, everybody be well.
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  Speaker 7: Lada doctor, my, I have seen the slow great of
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  Speaker 7: without bride. Now I want to understand.
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  Speaker 2: I have done all that I.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 7: Could see theble and the Gude's without hating.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: You must help me a few can.
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  Speaker 7: Doctor, tell me where.
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  Speaker 3: It is going?
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  Speaker 4: John by.
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  Speaker 10: July the moment, for so long
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