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- 0:00Welcome back to the Deep Dive. We're dedicating this segment to
- 0:02Reformed thinking, really zeroing in on some of those
- 0:06core, sometimes pretty dense theological ideas that shape how
- 0:11we understand the Christian life.
- 0:13That's right. And today, we're tackling
- 0:16sanctification. That's the, well, the ongoing,
- 0:20sometimes messy, day-to-day experience of being made holy.
- 0:23Yeah, and it's something that for a lot of people gets really
- 0:25confused with justification. It's easy to mix them up.
- 0:28Oh, absolutely. And getting those two tangled
- 0:29up, you know, it can lead you down some wrong paths, either
- 0:33towards a kind of crushing legalism or on the flip side, a
- 0:36dangerous sort of anything goes attitude.
- 0:39So our mission today is pretty clear.
- 0:41Then we're diving into the theological notes, the research,
- 0:45trying to sort out the mechanics of holiness.
- 0:47We need to clarify, you know, what does sanctification
- 0:49actually look like? Who's doing the work?
- 0:51Is it us? Is it God?
- 0:53Both. Yeah, that's a big one.
- 0:54And what's the biblical expectation, really, for
- 0:56becoming holy in this life? We've got a good stack of
- 0:59detailed theological material here to help us unpack.
- 1:02It all right, let's get into it. OK, so let's start right at the
- 1:04beginning, the core definition. We generally understand
- 1:08sanctification as this continuous action, God's action
- 1:12in the believer. An action that makes them
- 1:15actually holy. It's about cultivating a real
- 1:18likeness to God himself. It's basically the continuation
- 1:21of that new spiritual life that kicked off the moment we were
- 1:23regenerated. Exactly.
- 1:25Yeah, but the sources immediately throw a bit of a
- 1:29curveball or maybe a necessary complication.
- 1:33There are two really different senses of holiness or
- 1:36sanctification that we need to get straight first. 2 senses.
- 1:39And understanding of these is, well, it's absolutely crucial.
- 1:42The first sense is you could say objective.
- 1:44It's all about status separation.
- 1:46Yeah, it comes from the Hebrew word kwaitos, you know, meaning
- 1:49separate or maybe cut off. It's talking about that formal
- 1:52characteristic of being set apart from what's common or
- 1:55mundane or profane. And dedicated entirely to God
- 1:58and His service. Precisely, it's about being
- 2:00marked out for God. So this kind of separation, it
- 2:03isn't necessarily about how morally pure something or
- 2:07someone is at that moment, It's more like a designation of
- 2:10ownership or purpose. That's a great way to put it.
- 2:13Ownership and purpose. Think about the Old Testament.
- 2:16This idea was applied pretty broadly.
- 2:18Right. Like the Tabernacle furniture,
- 2:19it was sanctified, set apart for a sacred purpose.
- 2:23But you know, a table isn't morally righteous in itself.
- 2:26Exactly. Or the Sabbath day.
- 2:28He was sanctified, cut off from the other days for a special
- 2:30purpose. So the object or the person
- 2:33becomes holy because of its relationship to God, it's
- 2:36dedication to him, not because it's inherently perfect.
- 2:39Spot on. And in the New Testament, this
- 2:42objective sense translates to belonging to the Lord.
- 2:45OK, when Peter calls believers of chosen people, a royal
- 2:49priesthood, a holy nation, God, special possession, he's talking
- 2:53about this initial objective status.
- 2:55You're separated out of the world and dedicated to the Lord.
- 2:58And the timing on this is key, right?
- 2:59The source is really stressed that this initial setting apart
- 3:02this objective sense it's instantaneous.
- 3:05That happens right at the point of conversion.
- 3:07Yes, simultaneously, along with justification and regeneration.
- 3:11It's all part of that initial package, so to speak.
- 3:14Which then explains why Paul can write to the church in Corinth
- 3:17and call them Saints Hajioy. Right.
- 3:19And if you know anything about the Corinthian church, well,
- 3:22they were a mess. Definitely struggling.
- 3:24Division, immorality, Doctrinal confusion.
- 3:27Deeply struggling. Yet Paul still calls them
- 3:31Saints. The set apart ones.
- 3:33Why? Because their objective status,
- 3:36their dedication to Christ, their belonging to Him that was
- 3:39fixed, their legal standing before God was settled, even if
- 3:42their actual behavior was frankly disastrous at times.
- 3:46That's a huge point for listeners.
- 3:47I think you are instantly a St. a set apart person the minute
- 3:51you believe that's your status. Yes, but.
- 3:54But that objective status immediately raises the stakes,
- 3:57doesn't it? It demands something more.
- 3:59It demands that second sense of holiness.
- 4:01Exactly that brings us to the second sense.
- 4:03This one is progressive. It's subjective.
- 4:05It refers to actual moral goodness, spiritual character,
- 4:09spiritual worth. So this is the one we usually
- 4:11think of when we talk about growing as Christians.
- 4:14It is, and this sense gradually became the main meaning when
- 4:18people talk about sanctification.
- 4:20Because you've been formally set apart since one, you're now
- 4:24expected, even commanded, to live like it, to conduct
- 4:28yourself accordingly. The demand is for actual purity,
- 4:31actual goodness in life, yes. So it moves from just a
- 4:35declaration of belonging to an actual inward transformation of
- 4:38your character, your condition, who you are on the inside.
- 4:41Making the inside match the outside label, so to speak.
- 4:45That's it. The aim is to bring the
- 4:47believers subjective moral condition, how they actually
- 4:50live and think and desire, into line with their objective legal
- 4:54status before God, who they are declared to be in Christ.
- 4:56Closing the gap. Closing the gap.
- 4:58And because this involves changing really deep seated
- 5:00habits, desires, patterns of thought, sinful inclinations,
- 5:04well, this subjective work is inherently progressive.
- 5:07It takes time. It's a process.
- 5:08It's. Definitely a process.
- 5:09It starts the moment you're converted, but it requires
- 5:12really your entire lifetime to move towards completion.
- 5:15It's not finished overnight. OK, that distinction,
- 5:18instantaneous legal status versus a lifelong moral process,
- 5:23that seems incredibly fundamental.
- 5:25We probably need to spend some real time just comparing
- 5:28justification and sanctification directly.
- 5:31Absolutely critical. Getting this wrong is, as we
- 5:33said, a recipe for trouble. It can paralyze you.
- 5:37Either you get puffed up with self-righteous pride because you
- 5:39think you're doing OK, or you're crushed by guilt because you
- 5:42know you're not. Let's try analogy.
- 5:43Maybe the sources sometimes use them.
- 5:45How about the courtroom? OK, yeah, the courtroom works.
- 5:48Or maybe imagine you're a political prisoner, convicted of
- 5:51treason. Pretty serious stuff.
- 5:53Scenario, yeah. Justification is the moment the
- 5:56king intervenes, maybe surprisingly unexpectedly.
- 5:59He steps in, declares you completely pardoned, wipes the
- 6:03slate clean. He pays your debt.
- 6:05Pays your debt entirely, declares you legally righteous
- 6:07right then and there, and he puts you back into a position of
- 6:12favorite standing, maybe even adopt you as his.
- 6:14Child, and that's instantaneous. Instantaneous, complete.
- 6:17In a moment. The verdict is final.
- 6:19You're either pardoned and declared righteous, or you are
- 6:23not. There's no middle ground.
- 6:25That's your legal standing. OK, so that directly hits the
- 6:29first major distinction. Duration justification is a one
- 6:33time instantaneous event. Correct.
- 6:36Now, sanctification, using the same analogy, that's everything
- 6:40that happens after the pardon. You've been pardoned, your
- 6:43standing is secure, but you're still fundamentally the same
- 6:47person who had the mindset, the habits, the inclinations that
- 6:50led to treason in the first place.
- 6:51The internal stuff hasn't caught up with the legal reality.
- 6:54Yet. Exactly.
- 6:55So. The King in his grace doesn't
- 6:57just pardon you and leave you to figure it out.
- 6:59He takes you out of the prison, yes, but he puts you into, say,
- 7:02a palace, school, or maybe physical therapy for a lifetime
- 7:05of bad habits. Sanctification.
- 7:08Is that lifelong? Often difficult, sometimes
- 7:10sometimes painful process of learning the duties of
- 7:12citizenship in his Kingdom, shaking off the old prison
- 7:15habits, being retrained, remoulded into a trustworthy
- 7:18servant, even a child of the king.
- 7:21And that is continuous. It takes your whole life.
- 7:23It takes your whole life. So that analogy really
- 7:26highlights the 2nd and maybe the most critical distinction, the
- 7:30very nature of the work. Right.
- 7:32Justification is objective. It's forensic, like in a law
- 7:35court. It happens entirely outside of
- 7:37you. It's a legal transaction.
- 7:39It changes your standing before God, your relationship to Him as
- 7:42the Judge. It deals completely with the
- 7:45penalty and the guilt of your sin.
- 7:47Your record is cleared. Whereas sanctification, that's
- 7:50subjective, it's an inward work. It affects your actual
- 7:53character, your inner condition, your inner person.
- 7:55Yes, it doesn't change your legal standing.
- 7:58That's already fixed forever by justification, but it changes
- 8:01your moral conformity to that standing.
- 8:03It deals with the pollution, the power, the defilement of sin
- 8:07within you. So justification declares you
- 8:09holy. Sanctification actually makes
- 8:11you holy. Perfume Summary Justification
- 8:14gives you the right to stand before God accepted and loved.
- 8:17Sanctification works to give you the fitness, the character
- 8:20suitable for standing there in His presence.
- 8:22OK. And that naturally leads to the
- 8:24third distinction you mentioned, degree and completeness.
- 8:27Right, because justification is a declaration, a legal verdict.
- 8:31It's quantitative. You could say it has no degrees.
- 8:34You're either justified or you're not.
- 8:36Exactly. A person is 100% justified the
- 8:39moment they believe, or there's 0% justified.
- 8:43No one is more justified or less justified than any other
- 8:48believer. All believers stand on the same
- 8:50perfectly righteous ground of Christ.
- 8:52But in that palace, School of sanctification degrees are
- 8:56definitely a thing. Oh, absolutely.
- 8:58One believer might be significantly more mature, more
- 9:01self-control, more loving, more patient, more Christ like Yeah,
- 9:05than another believer, or even compared to themselves a year
- 9:07ago. We see that all the time in the
- 9:09New Testament, don't we? Paul talking to the Comminthians
- 9:11saying he can only give them milk, not solid food because
- 9:14they're still infants in Christ. Precisely.
- 9:17They were fully justified, but their sanctification was, well,
- 9:19lagging behind. They were immature.
- 9:21So sanctification absolutely has degrees.
- 9:23It's progressive. We grow.
- 9:25So to really nail it down, justification is what God does
- 9:29for us in Christ. Sanctification is what God does
- 9:31in us by the Spirit. That's the heart of it, and
- 9:34keeping those categories clear is so important for a believer's
- 9:37peace. It means you can struggle with
- 9:40sin and you will struggle without constantly fearing
- 9:43you've lost your salvation or you're standing with God.
- 9:46Your justification holds firm. OK, that distinction is clear.
- 9:51Now let's dig into the mechanism if sanctification is this
- 9:54process of being made actually holy, Who's doing the work?
- 9:58Who's driving this change? Right, and our sources are
- 10:00incredibly clear on this point. Sanctification is, at its root,
- 10:04fundamentally a supernatural work.
- 10:06Not just self improvement. Not just trying harder or
- 10:09reading a self help book or implementing some new discipline
- 10:12technique. Though disciplines play a role,
- 10:15it's primarily foundationally God doing the work.
- 10:18It's not mere self reform. It's God continuing what he
- 10:21started. Exactly.
- 10:22We have to found our understanding sanctification in
- 10:25the reality that God continues and completes the good work He
- 10:28began when He regenerated US Philippians 1.6 right.
- 10:31He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion
- 10:34until the day of Christ Jesus. So the power, the energy for all
- 10:38this growth, it rests entirely on God's resources, His
- 10:41Holiness, his initiative. Yes, which then brings us to the
- 10:45specific agents involved in this divine work.
- 10:48Let's start with the one most closely associated with the
- 10:51day-to-day process, the Holy Spirit.
- 10:53The spirits role. The Holy Spirit is, you might
- 10:56say, the divine Executor of sanctification.
- 10:59He's the one who applies the finished work of Jesus Christ,
- 11:03his death and resurrection to the believers actual moment by
- 11:06moment to life. Applying the benefits of what
- 11:07Christ did. Yes, He is constantly, actively
- 11:10at work within us, bringing about a real, substantial
- 11:13likeness to Christ, changing our minds, our wills, our
- 11:16affections, our desires. And this application involves
- 11:19that practical, sometimes gritty process of mortification,
- 11:22putting sin to death. Right, that's a key aspect.
- 11:25The sources point us straight to Romans 8 verse 3.
- 11:28If by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you
- 11:31will live. Notice the wording by the spirit
- 11:33you put to death. Crucial.
- 11:35It's not just gritting your teeth and trying harder in your
- 11:38own strength. That's a recipe for failure and
- 11:40despair. It's a spirit empowered
- 11:43activity. So the Spirit enables the
- 11:45putting to death of sin. He provides the power, the
- 11:48insight, the guidance, the desire, the strength needed to
- 11:52identify, resist and overcome the sin that still dwells within
- 11:56us. And when the Spirit is really
- 11:58the one guiding and empowering our lives, the results are
- 12:01tangible, aren't they? Absolutely.
- 12:03The result is manifest reality. It's the fruit of the Spirit.
- 12:06Listing Galatians 5 Lovejoy, peace, patience, kindness,
- 12:12goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
- 12:16These aren't just character traits we managed to drum up on
- 12:18our own. Not at all.
- 12:20They are the supernatural organic outflow of the Spirit's
- 12:23active presence and work within the believer.
- 12:25They are His fruit grown in us. But the Spirit isn't working in
- 12:29isolation. We can't forget God the Father's
- 12:31role in this whole economy of salvation.
- 12:33No, definitely not. God the Father is the ultimate
- 12:35source, the planner, the initiator of our holiness.
- 12:38The scriptures state that clearly.
- 12:40Yes, First Thessalonians 5.23 says it's God Himself, the God
- 12:44of peace who sanctifies believers through and through.
- 12:47And Philippians 2.13 tells us He is the one working in believers
- 12:51both to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.
- 12:54So he's orchestrating things, providing the means.
- 12:57He's orchestrating the circumstances, the challenges,
- 13:00the encouragements, the means of grace, word, sacrament, prayer,
- 13:05fellowship, all necessary for our growth.
- 13:07He's the architect of the process.
- 13:08OK, so Father plans, Spirit applies, but it all hinges on
- 13:12the foundation, doesn't it? Jesus Christ himself.
- 13:15Absolutely. We can't even begin to talk
- 13:17about sanctification in any meaningful way without Christ.
- 13:20It's utterly, completely reliant on our union with Christ.
- 13:23That phrase union with Christ seems central and Reformed
- 13:26thought. It is the key really to the
- 13:28believers entire spiritual life. Justification, sanctification,
- 13:33adoption, perseverance, glorification, it all flows from
- 13:36being united to Christ by faith through the Spirit.
- 13:38It's the concept used to express that biblical idea that Christ's
- 13:42own life is somehow lived in and through the believer.
- 13:45Yes, without that vital spiritual connection to Christ,
- 13:49any attempt at holiness is just, well, it's just moralism.
- 13:54It's self effort doomed to fail. It lacks the Divine life source.
- 13:58And the classic biblical picture for this is John 15, right?
- 14:01The vine and the branches. That imagery is absolutely
- 14:04essential. Jesus couldn't have been
- 14:06clearer. The branch cannot bear fruit by
- 14:09itself. It must remain connected to the
- 14:11vine. Apart from me, Jesus says you
- 14:13can do nothing. Nothing of eternal value anyway.
- 14:16Fruit bearing, effective prayer, lasting joy.
- 14:19Jesus links all of these directly to remaining in Him,
- 14:22abiding in that union. And This is why evangelicals
- 14:25often rely so heavily on this union with Christ's language.
- 14:28Yes, precisely because it captures this idea of active
- 14:31participation in Christ's life and power without implying that
- 14:34we somehow get absorbed into him or lose our identity.
- 14:37Yeah, that means the believer has been incorporated into
- 14:39Christ. Like Paul saying I have been
- 14:40crucified with Christ. And I no longer live, but Christ
- 14:44lives in me. That's not just poetry.
- 14:47Paul is expressing the literal, practical source of his new life
- 14:50and power for sanctified living. It's Christ's resurrection life
- 14:55flowing into the believer through the Spirit.
- 14:57So pulling it together, the Father plans and wills our
- 15:00holiness, the Son provides the life source and the perfect
- 15:04pattern through our union with Him.
- 15:06And the Spirit executes the plan day-to-day, applying Christ's
- 15:09work to us. That's a great summary that the
- 15:11divine teamwork involved. It's all of God from start to
- 15:14finish. OK, but this divine scaffolding,
- 15:16this emphasis on God doing the work, it leads us straight into
- 15:19one of the most, well, dynamic and sometimes confusing parts of
- 15:23sanctification, this tension. Tension.
- 15:25Yeah, between God's exclusive power and initiative and the
- 15:28constant and unavoidable commands in Scripture for us to
- 15:31actively participate. If God is doing all the heavy
- 15:34lifting, why am I constantly being told to strive to fight
- 15:37sin, to put off the old self, put on the new self?
- 15:39It feels like my effort is required.
- 15:41This is that critical juncture, isn't it?
- 15:43The paradox. And reformed theology doesn't
- 15:45shy away from it. It lives right in that tension.
- 15:48The classic text is Philippians 2, verses 12 and 13.
- 15:52That's the locust classicus for sure, Paul.
- 15:54Tell the believers, work out your salvation with fear and
- 15:58trembling. That sounds like intense, maybe
- 16:01even exhausting, human effort. It really does work out your
- 16:04salvation. But then in the very next
- 16:06breath, He gives the reason why you can and should do this.
- 16:10It is God who works in you both to will and to act according to
- 16:14His good purpose. So you work out what God is.
- 16:17Working in exactly the divine enablement is the foundation for
- 16:20the human responsibility. You're not working for your
- 16:23salvation in a justifying sense. You're working out the
- 16:26implications of the salvation God has already given you and is
- 16:29actively bringing to fruition within you.
- 16:31So the knowledge that God is the one ultimately working in US,
- 16:35providing the will and the power, that should change how we
- 16:38view this driving, shouldn't it? It should completely, completely
- 16:41change it. It should eliminate both
- 16:42paralyzing guilt when we fail and self reliant pride when we
- 16:46perceive success. We work because God is working,
- 16:50not to make Him work or to earn His favor.
- 16:53Our. Effort is the necessary response
- 16:55to His enabling grace. It's the corollary, the
- 16:58evidence, the means through which His Grace operates.
- 17:01The sources show this involves A2 fold action from the
- 17:04believer. First, there's the negative
- 17:06side, the removal of sinfulness, mortification.
- 17:11Putting to death the deeds of the body, Well, we saw in Romans
- 17:138, yes. Actively resisting temptation,
- 17:16starving sinful patterns, confessing sin, turning away
- 17:18from it. That's the putting off aspect.
- 17:20And then there's the positive side.
- 17:22Vivification making alive. This is the development of
- 17:25actual holiness, the cultivation of godly habits and character.
- 17:28This is the putting on aspect. Like Romans 12, presenting our
- 17:32bodies as living sacrifices being transformed by the
- 17:35renewing of our minds. Exactly.
- 17:37Reading the Bible, meditating on it, praying, engaging in
- 17:40fellowship, participating in the sacraments.
- 17:43These aren't just religious duties, they are the God
- 17:45ordained means of grace. They are the channels through
- 17:48which the Spirit does His transforming work as we actively
- 17:52engage with them. So this act of wrestling, this
- 17:54effort, this is the labor of the Christian life we hear.
- 17:57About it is it's diligent, purposeful effort, but effort
- 18:01empowered and directed by the Spirit working within us based
- 18:05on our union with Christ. OK, this talk of active
- 18:08participation naturally brings up a huge question, one that
- 18:11trips up a lot of people the law.
- 18:15Yes, the role of God's law. If we're justified by faith
- 18:19completely apart from works of the law, what legitimate role,
- 18:23if any, does the law, specifically God's moral law
- 18:26like the 10 Commandments, have in a life of a believer who is
- 18:29actively participating in sanctification?
- 18:31That's a really important question, and the sources
- 18:34drawing on Scripture are quite clear.
- 18:36The primary function of the law in the New Testament is not to
- 18:39justify anyone. Because no one can keep it
- 18:41perfectly. Precisely since fallen humanity
- 18:44consistently fails to obey it perfectly, its main use,
- 18:47especially in evangelism, is to act like a mirror.
- 18:50It shows us God's perfect standard, reveals our sin,
- 18:54establishes us as sinners, and demonstrates our desperate need
- 18:58for Christ's righteousness. So it drives us to Christ for
- 19:01justification. Yes, but Paul is also clear the
- 19:04law itself isn't bad, he says the law is holy, just and good.
- 19:10The problem isn't the law, it's our inability to keep it.
- 19:13OK, so post justification, once we're in Christ, does the law
- 19:17get a new job description for the Christian?
- 19:19It does. The Reformed tradition often
- 19:21talks about the three uses of the law.
- 19:23The first use is conviction of sin.
- 19:25The second is restraining evil in society.
- 19:28But the third use, sometimes called the normative use, is the
- 19:30most relevant for sanctification.
- 19:32What's that third use? It's that the biblically
- 19:34revealed moral law serves as a guide, a standard, a pattern for
- 19:38righteousness. It expresses God's will for how
- 19:41He's redeemed people should live.
- 19:42So it's like the blueprint for Holy Conduct, the curriculum and
- 19:46that palace school analogy. Exactly.
- 19:48We look at the 10 commandments or the moral principles taught
- 19:51throughout Scripture, not as a way to earn God's favor that
- 19:54settled in justification, but as a way to understand what
- 19:57conformity to Christ actually looks like in daily life.
- 20:00What does love require? What does justice demand?
- 20:03What does self-control involve? The law helps define those
- 20:07things. And Paul seems to confirm this
- 20:09connection between the spirit and the law's requirements.
- 20:12He does. In Romans 8, he says that the
- 20:14righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in US who do
- 20:17not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
- 20:20The Spirit enables us to begin to uphold the law's true intent,
- 20:24which is rooted in love for God and neighbor.
- 20:27And Jesus himself linked obedience directly to
- 20:29relationship, didn't he? Very directly.
- 20:31If you love me, you will keep my commandments, and you are my
- 20:34friends if you do what I command.
- 20:36Obedience becomes the evidence of our love and the expression
- 20:39of our relationship with Him, not the basis for it.
- 20:41But we have to wave the warning flag again here.
- 20:44Legalism. Where's the line between using
- 20:46the law rightly as a guide and falling into legalism?
- 20:49That's always the danger. Guiding your life by the moral
- 20:52principles of God's law is absolutely necessary for growth
- 20:56and holiness. It becomes legalism, and
- 20:59therefore spiritually destructive, when a believer
- 21:02starts following the law with a mistaken belief that by doing so
- 21:06they're earning merit with God, or maintaining their justified
- 21:09status, or proving their spiritual superiority.
- 21:12So legalism misuses the law, trying to make it do the job of
- 21:15justification again. Exactly.
- 21:17It puts the believer back under a performance based relationship
- 21:20with God which breeds either pride or despair.
- 21:24Rightly used, the law guides our gratitude fueled obedience.
- 21:28OK. And one final aspect of active
- 21:31participation mentioned in the notes is separation from the
- 21:34world. Yes, this flows directly from
- 21:36that first sense of sanctification being set apart.
- 21:39If we were set apart for God, it implies being set apart from sin
- 21:43and the ungodly values and practices of the world system
- 21:46that is opposed to Him. Jenks puts it pretty strongly.
- 21:48Keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
- 21:50He does, and this requirement stems from our objective status.
- 21:55Since we belong to a holy God, our lifestyle, our choices, our
- 21:58values must increasingly reflect His character, not the world's.
- 22:03But again, the notes urge a balance.
- 22:06We're not called to be hermits completely retreating from
- 22:08society. No, absolutely not.
- 22:10That's the delicate balance, the tightrope block we mentioned
- 22:13earlier. We have to maintain our
- 22:15distinctiveness as God's people being unspotted from the world,
- 22:19while simultaneously being actively involved in the world
- 22:22as agents of His grace and truth.
- 22:24Being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, salt has
- 22:28to be in the food to work. Light has to shine in the
- 22:30darkness. Precisely.
- 22:32We need to engage the culture, serve our neighbors, contribute
- 22:35to the common good, but do so without being absorbed by the
- 22:37world's sinful patterns or compromising our allegiance to
- 22:40Christ. That's a constant challenge in
- 22:42the sanctified life. OK.
- 22:43So if sanctification is this lifelong progressive process
- 22:47driven by God, involving our active participation, where is
- 22:51it all heading? What's the ultimate non
- 22:53negotiable goal? The specific theological aim,
- 22:57the target that God is consistently moving us towards,
- 22:59according to the sources, is likeness to Christ Himself.
- 23:02Conformed to his image. Yes, Romans 8.29 is key here.
- 23:07God, for new and predestined believers to be conformed to the
- 23:11image of His Son. And the word used therefore
- 23:14conformed indicates more than just a superficial resemblance.
- 23:18It points to sharing his characteristics, his qualities,
- 23:22his moral fiber, all stemming from that vital union with Him.
- 23:26So the overarching final destination point of this whole
- 23:28journey of progressive sanctification is ideally
- 23:31leading a sinless life, perfectly reflecting Christ's
- 23:34image. That is the ultimate standard,
- 23:36the final goal. Yes.
- 23:37Sinlessness. Perfect holiness.
- 23:39But this immediately brings us to that major fork in the road,
- 23:42theologically speaking, the perfectionism debate.
- 23:45Right. Is complete sanctification
- 23:47achieving actual sinlessness, something attainable before we
- 23:50die here on Earth? And here we find 2 main camps,
- 23:52historically and theologically. On one side you have what's
- 23:55generally called the perfectionist view.
- 23:56Often associated with Wesleyan theology.
- 23:59Yes, historically rooted there and common today in various
- 24:02streams, like some Armenian traditions, Nazarene churches,
- 24:06certain Pentecostal groups, they argue that yes, it is possible
- 24:10to reach a state of grace in this life where one does not
- 24:13consciously or willfully sin, a state sometimes called entire
- 24:17sanctification or Christian perfection.
- 24:19And they point to certain scriptures that seem to support
- 24:21this possibility. They do.
- 24:23They often highlight texts like Matthew 5.48.
- 24:26Be perfect. Therefore, as your Heavenly
- 24:28Father is perfect, they take the command as something achievable
- 24:31now. And Paul's prayer in First
- 24:33Thessalonians 5.23 where he prays that God would sanctify
- 24:36the believers through and through and keep their whole
- 24:39spirit, soul and body blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus
- 24:43Christ. Right.
- 24:44They interpret blameless and perfect as pointing to a
- 24:47potential state of actual sinlessness attainable in this
- 24:50life, even if it doesn't eliminate temptation or the
- 24:53possibility of future growth. OK, so that's one view.
- 24:55What's the counter position? Standing in pretty direct
- 24:58opposition is the non perfectionist view.
- 25:01This is generally the position held within the Calvinist and
- 25:04broader reformed traditions. Lutheranism as well.
- 25:06And their core argument is. That sinlessness, while
- 25:10absolutely the standard we must strive for, the ideal we aim at,
- 25:15is never actually attained fully in this mortal life.
- 25:18They emphasize the continued lingering presence and activity
- 25:22of indwelling sin within the believer, even the most mature
- 25:26believer. Their biblical support often
- 25:27comes from. The Apostle John is a key
- 25:29witness for this view. First, John 1 verses 8 through
- 25:3210 are critical. John writes to believers.
- 25:35If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
- 25:38truth is not in us. He says if we claim to be
- 25:40without sin. Present tense ongoing reality
- 25:43for believers. Exactly.
- 25:45He frames claiming sinlessness not as a mark of maturity, but
- 25:48as self deception. If you say you have no sin
- 25:50currently, you're fooling yourself.
- 25:52And then verse 10, if we claim we have not sinned, we make him
- 25:54out to be a liar. This seems to indicate that the
- 25:57struggle with actual sinning continues throughout the
- 25:59Christian life. And the interpretation of Romans
- 26:02Chapter 7 seems to be a major battleground between these two
- 26:05views. It really is often the crux of
- 26:07the exegetical debate. Romans 7 describes this intense
- 26:11internal conflict. For I do not do the good I want
- 26:14to do, but the evil I do not want to do.
- 26:17This I keep on doing. Paul speaks of sin dwelling
- 26:21within him, warring against his mind.
- 26:23The perfectionist view tends to see this as Paul describing his
- 26:27life before conversion, right? Or maybe the struggle of someone
- 26:30under the law without the spirit.
- 26:32Generally, yes. They argue it can't describe a
- 26:35mature Christian living in the power of the Spirit, which Paul
- 26:38describes in Romans 8. But the non perfectionist view
- 26:41reads Romans 7 differently. They typically argue strongly
- 26:44that Romans 7 must be describing the ongoing post conversion
- 26:47struggle of even the most spiritually mature Christian,
- 26:50including Paul himself as he writes.
- 26:52Why must it be post conversion? Because the person described in
- 26:55Romans 7 says things like I delight in God's law in my inner
- 26:58being. An unregenerate person doesn't
- 27:01genuinely delight in God's law. They also cry out, who will
- 27:05rescue me from this body of death?
- 27:07Thanks be to God who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord.
- 27:11That sounds like a believer aware of both the struggle and
- 27:13the solution. So for the non perfectionist,
- 27:16Romans 7 is proof positive that sin remains active and the
- 27:19struggle continues even in genuinely sanctified believers.
- 27:22Perfection isn't realistic this side of glory.
- 27:25That's the conclusion they draw. The ongoing battle between the
- 27:29Spirit and the flesh means sin remains present and active,
- 27:32making sinlessness and unattainable goal in this life,
- 27:35though still the required standard.
- 27:37So then how does the non perfectionist position handle
- 27:39Jesus's command be perfect? If it's unattainable, why
- 27:43command it? This is where understanding the
- 27:45Greek word helps. The word translated perfect
- 27:47there is tellyoy. It carries the sense of
- 27:49complete, mature, finished or goal oriented rather than
- 27:53necessarily flawless or spotless in an absolute moral sense in
- 27:57that context. So strive for maturity
- 27:59completion in Christlikeness. Yes, sinlessness remains the
- 28:04absolute standard, like the North Star, it gives direction,
- 28:07defines the ideal we must constantly press toward.
- 28:10But the non perfectionist view teaches that our progress toward
- 28:14that ideal in this life is always only partial.
- 28:17We grow, we mature, we become more like Christ.
- 28:20But true, final, flawless perfection, absolute
- 28:24sinlessness, is achieved only at our glorification.
- 28:27When we receive our resurrection bodies and are fully freed from
- 28:30since presence and the life to come.
- 28:32Exactly. Sanctification here and now is
- 28:34the striving. Glorification, then and there,
- 28:37is the final attainment. OK, that clarifies the main
- 28:39debate. Now, shifting gears just
- 28:41slightly, there's another term relating to the ultimate goal
- 28:44that sometimes comes up, especially from outside our
- 28:47usual reform circles, theosis or deification.
- 28:50This is prominent in Eastern Orthodoxy.
- 28:52It is, and it's a concept worth understanding, even if we might
- 28:55use different language. The Eastern Orthodox Church uses
- 28:58theosis, sometimes translated as deification or demonization, to
- 29:02describe the ultimate goal of salvation.
- 29:04Which they define as. As believers achieving genuine
- 29:07participation in God's own life, a famous phrase is that
- 29:10believers become by grace what God is by nature.
- 29:14OK, that sounds potentially problematic if taken wrongly.
- 29:19How do they maintain the crucial creator creature distinction?
- 29:23They are very careful about this.
- 29:24Historically, the standard way they preserve the distinction is
- 29:28by differentiating between God's unknowable, inaccessible
- 29:31essence, His fundamental being, and His knowable active
- 29:35energies, His operations, grace, glory, life shared with
- 29:39creation. So believers participate in
- 29:41God's energies, his life and glory, but not his fundamental
- 29:44essence. We don't become God in that
- 29:46ultimate sense. Right.
- 29:48That's the crucial qualification they make.
- 29:50We are united to God, transformed by his grace, shared
- 29:53his divine life, but we remain creatures.
- 29:55Some more recent Orthodox theologians might nuance it
- 29:57further, perhaps preferring to speak of theosis as
- 30:00participation in the personal, divine human existence of the
- 30:03Incarnate Christ. Conceptually, then, when
- 30:05carefully defined, it sounds like it might overlap
- 30:07significantly with the Western, particularly Reformed,
- 30:09understanding of the transformative effects of union
- 30:12with Christ. There are different points of
- 30:14contact and shared goals. Yes, the desire to express the
- 30:18profound reality of believers sharing in Christ's life and
- 30:22being transformed into His likeness is common ground.
- 30:25So why do evangelicals, especially in the Reformed
- 30:28tradition, generally tend to avoid using the term theosis or
- 30:32deification? The sources suggest that
- 30:35generally, evangelicals consider the language itself unwise and
- 30:39potentially misleading, particularly in our current
- 30:41cultural context. It's less about rejecting the
- 30:44entire concept when properly defined, and more about the
- 30:47inherent risks of the terminology.
- 30:49What are those specific risks of misunderstanding?
- 30:52Well, in a postmodern era where you have influences from new age
- 30:55movements, pantheism, and various eastern religions
- 30:58floating around, the word deification is just too easily
- 31:00misunderstood. People might hear it and
- 31:02immediately think. They might immediately
- 31:04associated with New Age ideas of achieving some kind of cosmic
- 31:07consciousness or becoming divine in a pantheistic sense, like
- 31:11being absorbed into the universe or realizing one's own inherent
- 31:15divinity. This is obviously miles away
- 31:17from the carefully qualified Orthodox meaning, and certainly
- 31:20alien to the evangelical understanding of being conformed
- 31:23to Christ through union with him.
- 31:25So the term itself just carries too much baggage, creates
- 31:28unnecessary confusion or potential for distortion.
- 31:32That seems to be the main concern.
- 31:34It requires a lot of careful explanation to avoid being
- 31:36misunderstood. So many evangelicals who grasp
- 31:39the underlying biblical truth that we are profoundly united to
- 31:42Christ and transformed by His Spirit prefer to stick with the
- 31:45established biblical and theological language of union
- 31:48with Christ. Because that language is clearer
- 31:50and less prone to misinterpretation.
- 31:52It seems so. Union with Christ clearly
- 31:55describes that profound supernatural participation and
- 31:58transformation into Christ's image while maintaining the
- 32:02necessary distinction between the believer and Christ.
- 32:05It makes it explicit that our spiritual life has lived in a
- 32:08vital living connection with Christ, ensuring the listener
- 32:12understands we are united to Him, dependent on Him, but we do
- 32:15not become Him. Ontologically, the goal is
- 32:18conformity to Christ, not absorption into divinity.
- 32:21OK, that makes sense. Let's try to pull the threads
- 32:24together now, reflecting on this deep dive into sanctification,
- 32:27right? We've established pretty
- 32:28clearly, I think, that sanctification is the
- 32:30subjective, internal, lifelong process.
- 32:33It's initiated and carried out primarily by Godfather, Son and
- 32:37Holy Spirit working together. And it's built entirely upon
- 32:39that instantaneous, objective legal verdict of justification.
- 32:43Justification is the foundation, Sanctification is the building
- 32:45constructed on. It the whole mechanism is driven
- 32:48by the Holy Spirit's application of Christ's work, and it's
- 32:51sustained crucially by our ongoing union with Christ
- 32:53himself. And the clear goal, the target,
- 32:58is conformity to Christ's own sinless image becoming like him.
- 33:03The key thing to grasp, it seems, is the progressive nature
- 33:06of this work. It happens over time.
- 33:08It has degrees of progress. And it absolutely requires our
- 33:11active, conscious effort, our working out, our striving, our
- 33:14participation in the means of grace.
- 33:17But crucially, this effort is enabled by the fact that God is
- 33:21simultaneously working within us, giving us both the desire
- 33:24and the power to act. That's the great paradox, the
- 33:27divine synergy it is. We work because he works in US.
- 33:30So thinking about this for the listener, sin sanctification is
- 33:33this progressive process demanding our act of
- 33:36participation every single day, and knowing that while
- 33:39sinlessness is the ultimate standard, it's likely not our
- 33:42current achieved reality. Here's something to consider.
- 33:46How does the knowledge that God's moral law remains the
- 33:48pattern for righteousness, the standard of conduct for you as a
- 33:51believer? How does that fact change your
- 33:54daily relationship with your own remaining sin?
- 33:56When you fail, When you fall short of that standard?
- 33:59Do you immediately despair? Do you question your
- 34:01justification? Right.
- 34:03Or do you treat those failures not as a sign that your
- 34:05justification has somehow failed, but rather as evidence
- 34:09that the process of sanctification, while real and
- 34:11ongoing, is simply not yet complete evidence that the
- 34:15working in and working out still needs to continue?
- 34:18That distinction is vital, isn't it?
- 34:20The ability to distinguish between your absolutely secure
- 34:23legal status in Christ justification, and your ongoing,
- 34:26imperfect but necessary moral effort and growth
- 34:30sanctification. That's what frees you to
- 34:32actually fight sin vigorously, pursue holiness diligently,
- 34:36without being crushed by fear or guilt when you stumble.
- 34:38Because, you know, the work continues.
- 34:40The work continues guaranteed by God Himself, and Our Calling is
- 34:43to actively, faithfully labor in the strength that He Himself
- 34:46supplies until the day He brings it to completion.