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Top Twenty UFO Encounters in New Mexico Part One · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I've got a
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  Speaker 1: big episode for you today. I call it the Top
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  Speaker 1: 20 UFO Encounters in New Mexico. I've scoured all the
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  Speaker 1: cases I could find that have taken place in New
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  Speaker 1: Mexico and I've come up with a list of what
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  Speaker 1: I think are the top 20 cases. These are the
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  Speaker 1: ones that got the most attention, were widely publicized, unique,
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of evidence. or somehow shaped our understanding
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  Speaker 1: of the UFO phenomena, ones that contributed to how we
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  Speaker 1: feel about UFOs. I'm sure another researcher would have come
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  Speaker 1: up with a different list, but this is my list.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with number 20 and move all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the most influential case, number one. So let's
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  Speaker 1: get started, because there's a lot of information in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: And the first case I wanna talk about I call
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  Speaker 1: case 20, The UFO Contacts of Daniel Fry. Daniel Fry writes,
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  Speaker 1: and I quote, This is a true story of a
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  Speaker 1: unique event. Believe it or not, on the evening of
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  Speaker 1: July 4, 1950, I had the experience of seeing, touching,
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  Speaker 1: and writing in an unmanned, remotely controlled space capsule which
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  Speaker 1: landed near the White Sands Proving Grounds outside the city
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  Speaker 1: of Las Cruces, New Mexico. This is how Daniel Fry's
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  Speaker 1: controversial book, The White Sands Incident, began, in which he
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  Speaker 1: presented his experiences with UFOs and a being named Alon.
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  Speaker 1: At that time, Dr. Daniel Fry worked for an aerojet
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  Speaker 1: group as a missile engineering executive at White Sands Proving Grounds.
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  Speaker 1: He and his group helped to develop many guided missiles
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  Speaker 1: on the base and And on the evening of July 4th, 1950,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Fry planned to join a fireworks celebration in Las Cruces. However,
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  Speaker 1: he missed the bus and instead decided to take a
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  Speaker 1: walk around the base. He walked along a two-mile dirt
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  Speaker 1: road that ended at the base of the Oregon Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: And as he walked, Daniel Fry noticed that the bright
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  Speaker 1: stars above him were becoming blocked by a large, silent object.
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  Speaker 1: And he became alarmed and realized that it appeared to
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  Speaker 1: be approaching him. And when it was just a few
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  Speaker 1: hundred feet away, he could finally discern its shape. As
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  Speaker 1: he says, Finally, I could see what it was. At
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  Speaker 1: the same time, I realized why I had not been
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  Speaker 1: able to see it sooner. Its color appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: nearly identical to the color of the night sky so that,
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  Speaker 1: Even when it was quite close, it was difficult to
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  Speaker 1: make out anything but the outline. Its shape was an
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  Speaker 1: oblate spheroid about 30 feet in diameter at the equator,
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  Speaker 1: or the largest part. To his shock, this craft landed
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  Speaker 1: quietly on the ground about 70 feet away. His first
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  Speaker 1: thought was that this was something secretly developed by the
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  Speaker 1: Soviet Union. However, as he looked at it and inspected it,
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  Speaker 1: he quickly rejected that explanation. He estimates it was about
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  Speaker 1: 16 feet tall and 30 feet in circumference. And as
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  Speaker 1: he says, and I quote, a closer inspection showed that
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  Speaker 1: the highly polished metal surface was silvery in color with
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  Speaker 1: a slight violet iridescence. I walked completely around the craft
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  Speaker 1: without seeing any sign of opening or seams. His first
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  Speaker 1: instinct was to return to the base and get more witnesses. However,
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  Speaker 1: he was afraid this thing would leave, so he decided
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  Speaker 1: to remain there and watch it. And he actually approached
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  Speaker 1: the craft and touched it. As he says, it was
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  Speaker 1: only a few degrees above the air temperature and incredibly smooth.
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  Speaker 1: It's difficult to describe the degree of smoothness. If you
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  Speaker 1: were to run your fingers over a large pearl, which
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  Speaker 1: had been covered with a thin soap film, You might
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  Speaker 1: receive a sensation similar to that which I felt when
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  Speaker 1: I touched the metal of the ship. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: a voice spoke out audibly, and it said, Better not
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  Speaker 1: touch the hull, pal. It's still hot. So Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: stumbled backwards, astonished, and this voice told him, Do not
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  Speaker 1: be afraid in that you are among friends. And so
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  Speaker 1: this is how his contact with the being named Alain began.
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  Speaker 1: And this voice first explained to Daniel Fry that it
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  Speaker 1: was dangerous to approach too closely to the craft because
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  Speaker 1: its radiation is being given off by this ship. And
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  Speaker 1: he told Fry that it was his assignment to, quote,
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  Speaker 1: become an American and live undetected among humanity. He told
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  Speaker 1: Fry that he had spent the last two years studying
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  Speaker 1: the English language and would spend the next four years
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  Speaker 1: going through various procedures to adapt him to Earth's atmosphere, gravity,
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  Speaker 1: and germs and bacteria. He told Fry that one of
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  Speaker 1: the principal reasons for his expedition was to determine how
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  Speaker 1: adaptable people's minds are to the idea of their presence
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  Speaker 1: and that previous expeditions centuries ago met with, quote, almost
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  Speaker 1: total failure in this respect. Alain said that one of
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  Speaker 1: their main purposes was to, quote, stimulate a degree of
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  Speaker 1: progress which will eliminate the reasons for war on Earth.
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  Speaker 1: And finally, after all of this, Alain invited Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: on board the craft, which he called, quote, a remotely
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  Speaker 1: controlled cargo carrier. At this point, a door opened, And
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Fry was surprised to find that this craft was
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  Speaker 1: largely empty. Inside was a very sparse room with four
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  Speaker 1: chairs mounted to the floor, each facing the same direction.
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  Speaker 1: There were two rows. And he walked inside and following
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  Speaker 1: Alain's instructions, sat in the seat. Alain asked Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: where he would like to go and suggested New York City.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel was skeptical but agreed. There were no windows in
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  Speaker 1: the craft, so Daniel was surprised when suddenly the wall
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  Speaker 1: in front of him became clear as, quote, the finest
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  Speaker 1: type of plate glass or lucite window. Alain then began
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  Speaker 1: to provide a lengthy scientific explanation explaining how they were
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  Speaker 1: able to turn metal transparent by creating, quote, a field
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  Speaker 1: matrix between the atoms. And suddenly this craft took off,
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  Speaker 1: and Daniel watched in amazement as the ground fell beneath him,
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  Speaker 1: as he says, and I quote, The lights of the
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  Speaker 1: army base at the proving ground, which had been hidden
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  Speaker 1: by a small hill, sprang into sight instantly and began
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  Speaker 1: drawing together like a flock of baby chicks when called
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  Speaker 1: by the mother hen. A few seconds later, the lights
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  Speaker 1: of the town of Las Cruces came into view, and
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  Speaker 1: in the lower left-hand corner of the window... I knew
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  Speaker 1: that we had risen at least a thousand feet. I
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  Speaker 1: was also able to see the highway from Las Cruces
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  Speaker 1: to El Paso, a narrow but brilliant ribbon illuminated by
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  Speaker 1: the headlights of the many cars on it. So this
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  Speaker 1: craft kept rising until, according to Alain, they were 13
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  Speaker 1: miles above the surface of the earth. The craft then
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  Speaker 1: shot off at 8,000 miles per hour to New York City.
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  Speaker 1: At this time, Alain continued to talk to Daniel, providing
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  Speaker 1: detailed explanations regarding how the craft worked, how it was operated.
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  Speaker 1: Alain told Daniel Fry that they do plan on landing
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  Speaker 1: on Earth and publicly revealing themselves, but only when humanity
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  Speaker 1: becomes more evolved. And he explained that they often travel
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  Speaker 1: to Earth on mining expeditions as there are materials on
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  Speaker 1: Earth in great abundance which are scarce elsewhere. Alain did
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  Speaker 1: not communicate through telepathy as Daniel thought, but he said
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  Speaker 1: through a technology that allowed them to modulate the nerves
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  Speaker 1: in the eardrum to simulate speech. But he did say
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  Speaker 1: that they do have the ability to look into people's
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  Speaker 1: minds and examine their memories, their thoughts and feelings. And
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  Speaker 1: he told Fry that it was no accident that Fry
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  Speaker 1: had been contacted. They had searched through the minds of
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  Speaker 1: many other scientists, including Daniel Fry's, but found that most
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  Speaker 1: were too skeptical. But Daniel Fry, they believed, was open-minded
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  Speaker 1: enough to new ideas, and so they contacted him. And
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  Speaker 1: it was just moments later when Daniel Fry found himself
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  Speaker 1: over New York City at a height of 20 miles.
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  Speaker 1: Fry said that the lights of New York were incredibly
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  Speaker 1: beautiful and that the entire city was pulsing and shimmering
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  Speaker 1: with luminescence. Daniel Fry asked if he could take a
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  Speaker 1: tour of the mother ship and Alain said no. This
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  Speaker 1: was impossible due to the atmospheric conditions conditions on their ship,
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  Speaker 1: and said that they didn't live on a planet like humans,
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  Speaker 1: but permanently inhabited a mother ship which was much larger
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  Speaker 1: than anything humans had ever made. Alain did say that
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  Speaker 1: tens of thousands of years ago, they did live on
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  Speaker 1: Earth in a small continent called Lemuria, at which time
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  Speaker 1: there was another advanced culture, which we know as Atlantis.
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  Speaker 1: And these two cultures, according to Alain, were very scientifically
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  Speaker 1: advanced and exterminated each other through greed and the abuse
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  Speaker 1: of power. So after this, the craft that Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: was in returned to White Sands. Daniel was told to
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  Speaker 1: exit the craft, and Alain told him that they would
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  Speaker 1: meet again. So Daniel steps out of the craft and
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  Speaker 1: watches with amazement as it takes off, as Daniel Fry says,
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  Speaker 1: and I quote, the door closed behind me, and as
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  Speaker 1: I turned, a horizontal band of orange-colored light appeared around
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  Speaker 1: the central part of the ship, and it leaped upward
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  Speaker 1: as though it had been released from a catapult. I
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  Speaker 1: managed to keep my eyes on the craft with the
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  Speaker 1: band of light. while the band of light went through
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  Speaker 1: the colors of the spectrum from orange to violet. By
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  Speaker 1: this time it was several thousand feet in the air,
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  Speaker 1: and as the light passed through the violet band, the
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  Speaker 1: craft disappeared from sight. Once it was gone, Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: found himself consumed with a wave of sadness and depression.
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  Speaker 1: As he says, I felt as though my work and
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  Speaker 1: my life had lost all its significance. A few hours before,
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  Speaker 1: I had been a rather self-satisfied engineer setting up instruments
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  Speaker 1: for the testing of one of the largest rocket motors
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  Speaker 1: ever built. Now I knew that the motor for those
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  Speaker 1: rockets was pitifully inefficient and might soon be obsolete. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like a small and insignificant cog in a clumsy
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  Speaker 1: and backward science which was moving only towards its own destruction.
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  Speaker 1: Four years later, on April 28, 1954, in Oregon, actually,
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  Speaker 1: Alon contacted Fry again and told him that it was
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  Speaker 1: his mission to, quote, avert the Holocaust, which is otherwise inevitable.
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  Speaker 1: And they told Daniel Fry that they wanted him to
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  Speaker 1: go public with his story of contact. Daniel Fry asked him,
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  Speaker 1: why don't they just land on the White House lawn?
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  Speaker 1: And Alon said that They could not do that as
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  Speaker 1: it would seriously disrupt our civilization and that millions of
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  Speaker 1: people would go to great lengths to deny or disprove
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  Speaker 1: their existence. 30% would end up worshipping them and 70%
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  Speaker 1: would consider them tyrants. And he also said our military
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  Speaker 1: forces would feel very threatened and would try to surround
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  Speaker 1: and take over the craft and then cover up the event.
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  Speaker 1: Alain told Daniel Fry that our material science had advanced
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  Speaker 1: too quickly and that humanity was not evolving spiritually or socially.
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  Speaker 1: And because of this, we were on the pathway to
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  Speaker 1: imminent self-destruction. So that was the whole real reason for
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  Speaker 1: the contact. And Daniel Fry's book, The White Sands Incident,
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  Speaker 1: reveals no other contacts However, at some point, Daniel Fry
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  Speaker 1: was able to take photographs and apparently moving films of
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  Speaker 1: their ships. And at first, he did keep his experiences
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  Speaker 1: a close secret. He told only a few friends. But
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  Speaker 1: in 1954, under increasing pressure from his friends, he finally
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  Speaker 1: went public and began to lecture about his encounters. And
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  Speaker 1: 10 years later, his book was published. As Daniel Fry says,
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  Speaker 1: no report was made of this event at the time
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  Speaker 1: it occurred. partly because the U.S. missile proving grounds where
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  Speaker 1: I worked operated under a tight security cover. Unfortunately, factors
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  Speaker 1: involving the rules of military security prohibited the publication of
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  Speaker 1: a large amount of the specific data I received. This
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  Speaker 1: was the greatest and most exciting event in my life,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't keep it entirely to myself. He later
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  Speaker 1: wrote a second book called Alain's Message to the Men
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  Speaker 1: of Earth, in which he elaborated on the importance of
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  Speaker 1: social and spiritual progress and the dangers of abusing technology.
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  Speaker 1: So Fry's case is definitely controversial. Some researchers believe it
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  Speaker 1: to be a hoax or just a story, but many others,
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  Speaker 1: including Timothy Goode, a prominent researcher, believe that there is
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  Speaker 1: some validity to the case. In April of 1955, Two researchers,
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  Speaker 1: Bryant and Helen Reeve, actually visited Daniel Fry in his home,
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  Speaker 1: and they came away completely convinced. As they write, In
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  Speaker 1: our own private research, we have applied our own methods
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  Speaker 1: of coordination and comparison to our study of this contact.
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  Speaker 1: We have even studied the history of various efforts which
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  Speaker 1: were made to ridicule it. We only wish that in
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  Speaker 1: our reporting we could somehow convey to our readers that
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  Speaker 1: some of the qualities of Daniel Fry himself, especially his
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  Speaker 1: humility and sincerity. While our own ideas may not be
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  Speaker 1: too important for others, for the sake of the few
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  Speaker 1: who may wish to know, our own study indicated to
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  Speaker 1: us that this was a physical contact and we feel
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  Speaker 1: that the information gained will in time emerge as a
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  Speaker 1: historic landmark in man's effort to understand and master outer space.
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  Speaker 1: So that's case number 20, and I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: significant case, one that deserves to be well-known and certainly
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  Speaker 1: had an impact on how we view this phenomena. He's
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  Speaker 1: one of the major contactees of the 1950s. And now
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  Speaker 1: we move to case number 19. For case number 19,
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  Speaker 1: I chose... The Airship of 1880 On March 26, 1880,
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  Speaker 1: four men were walking outside near Galisteo Junction in Lamy,
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico when they saw, quote, a strange balloon shaped
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  Speaker 1: like a flying fish overhead. The craft was described as
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  Speaker 1: monstrous in size and seemed to be guided by a
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  Speaker 1: large fan-like device attached to the back of the craft.
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  Speaker 1: This turned out to be one of the first of
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  Speaker 1: many airship sightings, which really became more popular in the
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  Speaker 1: turn of the century, the 1890s to the 1900s. So
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the earliest of the airship reports.
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  Speaker 1: What's interesting about this case is there were strange written
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  Speaker 1: characters decorating the side of the object. And even more startling,
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  Speaker 1: the four witnesses described eight to 10 normal looking humans
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  Speaker 1: on board this craft. They spoke in a strange language
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  Speaker 1: that none of the witnesses were able to understand. They
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  Speaker 1: also heard sounds of shouting, laughter, and music. And at
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  Speaker 1: some point, a few objects were allegedly tossed out of
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  Speaker 1: this craft and fell to the ground. The craft flew
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  Speaker 1: at low altitude over the junction gained altitude and moved
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  Speaker 1: off towards the east. The objects tossed from the craft
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  Speaker 1: were quickly recovered and allegedly included a flower, a sheet
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  Speaker 1: of fine silk-like paper covered with what looked like a
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  Speaker 1: strange Asian-type writing and what appeared to be a strange teacup.
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  Speaker 1: And according to the Santa Fe Daily New Mexican newspaper,
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  Speaker 1: the cup was of, quote, very peculiar workmanship and entirely
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  Speaker 1: different to anything used in this country. These objects were
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  Speaker 1: apparently put on display temporarily, but were immediately purchased by
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  Speaker 1: an older gentleman who identified himself as a collector of curiosities,
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  Speaker 1: and these objects were never seen again. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: very strange case. It's caused quite a bit of controversy.
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  Speaker 1: One of the first airship sightings in the United States, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And it was just 15 years later that this huge
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  Speaker 1: airship wave struck the United States and the world and
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  Speaker 1: really kind of ushered in the idea of extraterrestrials from
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  Speaker 1: outer space. So it's a significant case for sure, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why I included it in this list. And now
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  Speaker 1: we move to case number 18, which I call Blue
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  Speaker 1: Book Case Number 139, Unidentified. This was the first New
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  Speaker 1: Mexico case to be declared officially unidentified by the Air
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  Speaker 1: Force's Project Blue Book staff, and it occurred on April 5, 1948.
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  Speaker 1: On that day, three trained balloon observers, also identified as
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  Speaker 1: Navy missile trackers and a scientist, they were from the
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  Speaker 1: Geophysics Lab section at Holloman Air Force Base and were
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  Speaker 1: conducting tests when they observed a white object with a
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  Speaker 1: golden aura fly at quote tremendous speed over the base
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  Speaker 1: this object perform incredible maneuvers including steep climbs and vertical
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  Speaker 1: loops and one of the witnesses described the object as
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  Speaker 1: an irregularly rounded craft with a slightly concave top, and
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  Speaker 1: all of the witnesses agreed that it was roughly disc-shaped
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  Speaker 1: in about one-fifth the apparent size of a full moon,
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  Speaker 1: or about 35 feet in diameter. What's amazing about this
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  Speaker 1: case is that one of the scientists was able to
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  Speaker 1: train a theodolite on the object, which allows sort of
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  Speaker 1: a telescope attached to a protractor which allows them to
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  Speaker 1: track the speed and trajectory of the object and after
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  Speaker 1: viewing it through a theodolite for several minutes this craft
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  Speaker 1: accelerated to the west at a speed that the theodolite
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  Speaker 1: measured in excess of 18,000 miles per hour. Air Force
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  Speaker 1: investigators were of course impressed that the men had seen
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  Speaker 1: something that flew faster than any known object and and
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  Speaker 1: they labeled the case unexplained, one of several cases in
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico that the Air Force was never able to
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  Speaker 1: identify as anything conventional. So a strange, strange case, one
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  Speaker 1: that should be more well-known than it is, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why I included it. And now we get to case
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  Speaker 1: number 17, which I call Case 17-1. UFO destroys water tank.
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  Speaker 1: This occurred in Tucumcari, New Mexico, on December 13, 1951,
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  Speaker 1: when numerous witnesses, including Lorenzo Gutierrez and others, looked up
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  Speaker 1: in the sky and saw a bright ball of light,
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  Speaker 1: what appeared to be a fireball, streak across the sky
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  Speaker 1: and actually land right next to the Tukumkari water tank.
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  Speaker 1: It then proceeded to move towards the tank and collided
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  Speaker 1: into it. And this tank, which had metal hulls about
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  Speaker 1: three-eighths of an inch thick, held an estimated three million
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  Speaker 1: gallons of water. And when this fireball collided into the tank,
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  Speaker 1: the tank immediately collapsed. This caused a huge flood A
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  Speaker 1: lot of damage. Many structures were knocked right over and
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  Speaker 1: four people were killed. 20 structures were destroyed. Property damage
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  Speaker 1: was estimated in the millions. And there was, of course,
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  Speaker 1: an investigation and accident investigators inspected the tank and were
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  Speaker 1: puzzled that the breach in the hull of this tank
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  Speaker 1: was so clean that it appeared as if it had
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  Speaker 1: been cut by a knife. There was no other clear
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  Speaker 1: evidence to show what exactly had crashed into this tank.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a very puzzling event which caused a
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  Speaker 1: lot of attention. UFO investigators like Jim and Coral Lorenzen,
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  Speaker 1: Harold T. Wilkins, and others heard about this event and
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  Speaker 1: investigated it. And news of this event spread and astronomer Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln LaPaz was actually asked about this case and after
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  Speaker 1: reviewing the details, he said that this object could not
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  Speaker 1: have been a meteor or a natural fireball because if
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  Speaker 1: it were, it would have left a crater or some
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  Speaker 1: evidence of meteorotic residue. Nevertheless, officially, the cause of this
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  Speaker 1: water tank failure, according to the authorities, was a welding
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  Speaker 1: fault no mention was made of this strange fireball-like object,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: which was seen by multiple witnesses. This was, of course,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a huge event, was published in many newspapers, and still
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: remains unexplained to this day. I don't buy the official
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: explanation that this was a welding fault, because they simply
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: refused to include any mention of this strange fireball. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: perhaps this was a UFO of some kind. Hard to say,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: but it's definitely a very interesting and puzzling case, which
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: is why I included it on this list. And now
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: we move to case number 16. For case 16, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: chose astronomer Robert Shaldak sees a UFO. This is a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: really interesting case and it shows it's a good example
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of how Project Blue Book officers appeared to be unfairly
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: biased in their investigations and would often discount really good cases. Remember,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Robert Shaldack is a professional astronomer. He worked at Lowell
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Observatory And this case occurred in January 25, 1954. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: at that time, Robert Shuldak was working in a civilian
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: capacity in the technical service unit at White Sands Proving Ground.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And it was his job to... It involved the camera
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: monitoring of missile launches. And at 10 p.m. on January 25, 1954...
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: He was setting up his ballistic camera to monitor a launch,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and as he looked up at the stars to calibrate
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: his instrument, he noticed a, quote, yellow-white light moving from
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the northeast to the southeast in a shallow arc. This
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: object seemed to pulse in brightness at regular intervals. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: unknown to Robert Shaldak, another White Sands employee said, 17
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: miles to the southeast, was also watching this object. These
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: were both trained observers, and after they discovered each other's reports,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they were able to perform triangulation measurements and determine that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this object was about 12 miles distant and moving at 12,000
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: miles per hour. As Robert Shaldek writes, I have observed
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: many thousands of meteors and can definitely state that that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: this object was not any kind of meteor. Robert Shaldak
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: worked with famed astronomer Clyde Tombaugh and quickly alerted him
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of the sighting, and Clyde Tombaugh encouraged Robert Shaldak to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: report his sighting to Project Blue Book, which he did,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: along with the other witness. And however, despite the fact
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that Robert Shaldak, a professional astronomer, insisted that this object
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was not a meteor. Project Blue Book investigators wrote in
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: their official conclusion of the case, it was astronomical, a meteor.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So that's ridiculous. Here's a professional astronomer saying it's not
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a meteor, and the Blue Book officers, who have no
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: astronomical training, called it a meteor anyway. this should have
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: been an unidentified case. So Project Blue Book was not
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: being objective, something that we now know to be true.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And it's an important case, which is why I wanted
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it on this list. And now we move along to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: case number 15. And for case 15, I chose the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: UFO contacts of Paul Villa. This gentleman, his full name
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: is Apolinar Paul Alberta Villa Jr., and he is a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: very controversial contactee case. Some investigators have tried to debunk
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: his case, others stand by him, but his case is
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: really interesting because he was able to photograph UFOs very
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: clearly on numerous occasions. Paul Villa was born in 1916.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: He's a Native American. He's also Spanish, German, and Scottish.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And he claims that from a very young age, age
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of five, actually, he was telepathically contacted by extraterrestrial intelligences
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and was taught by them. And he became very well-versed
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in mathematics, electricity, physics, mechanics. He had an unusual talent
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: for detecting defects in engines, generators, and other machines. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he worked as a mechanic, first for the Air Force,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and later as a private citizen. So a good witness.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, an Air Force mechanic. And he claims that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: his first face-to-face contact occurred in 1963. At the time,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he was working for the Department of Water and Power
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. And he was at Long Beach
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: one day in 1953, actually, when he had a strong
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: inclination to go down to the beach a very strong
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: impulse and there he met a 7 foot tall humanoid
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this humanoid scared him but called him by name And
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: at this point, Paul Villa realized that he was communicating
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: with a, quote, very superior intelligence, and that this was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: probably an extraterrestrial. As Paul Villa says, he knew everything
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I had in my mind and told me many things
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that had taken place in my life. He told me
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to look out beyond the reef. I saw a metallic-looking
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: disc-shaped object that seemed to be floating on the water.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Then the spaceman asked me if I would like to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: go aboard the craft and look around, and I went
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: with him. On board the craft, Via says he saw
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: more human-like ETs, though they were more refined in their
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: face and body. They were very intelligent with an advanced
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: knowledge of science, and they proceeded to give him all
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: kinds of scientific information. They told him that the galaxy
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to which our planet belongs It's just like a grain
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: of sand on a giant beach and that there are many,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: many other galaxies out there. And they told him that they,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: because of their advanced technology, they're able to evade Earth's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: radar and they can only appear on radar when they
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: want themselves to be seen, when they want to call
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: attention to the presence of their craft. They told them
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: that their craft are constantly active around our planet at
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: all times, and that as time went on, there would
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: be more and more sightings and landings, which was an
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: effort to increase public awareness of their existence, which is
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: exactly what we have seen. They said that they were
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: on a friendly mission to help the people of Earth.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: They told them that they had bases on the moon,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: on Phobos, which is one of... the moons of Mars.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: They told him that Phobos was actually hollow and had
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: been artificially constructed. So many investigators began to look into
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: this case, particularly because of the photographs. Investigators like Gabriel Green.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Another investigator was Brad Steiger. Timothy Good has looked into
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: this case. Many investigators have Wendell Stevens. Jim and Coral Lorenzen,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Timothy Green Beckley. In fact, Wendell Stevens published a book
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: on Paul Villa's contacts. And why Paul Villa's case generated
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: so much attention was because of later contacts in which
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he was able to actually photograph these crafts. One of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: these photographic sessions occurred on June 16, 1963, when Paul
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Villa received a telepathic message which told him to drive
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: alone in his pickup truck to a site near the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: town of Peralta, which is about 15 miles south of Albuquerque.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: At this point, a UFO appeared, which Paul Villa estimates
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: was about 160, maybe 170 feet in diameter. And this
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: ship appeared to pose and hover at low altitudes and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: at various distances as Paul Villa took photographs of it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: around the trees. He used his truck to show it
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: in the foreground and took many, many pictures. A couple
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of these photos show the ship as it flips on edge.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: And according to Paul Villa, the beings told him that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: they could created an artificial gravity field within their craft
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: so that it could assume any position, although the people
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: inside were totally comfortable and didn't feel like they were
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: moving around at all. At one point, this craft hovered
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: about 300 feet above his truck and actually caused it
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to rise slowly into the air about three or four
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: feet for just a few minutes. It was a little demonstration.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: showing them how they were able to levitate vehicles. And
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: when this craft was about a quarter mile away, a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: controlled flexible rod could be seen extruding from the craft,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: probing the ground and trees at different angles. And while
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: this was going on, a small, shiny, remotely controlled sphere
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: about six to nine feet in diameter exited the main
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: craft and shot around glowing a reddish color. And so
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: he took many photographs of this craft. Occasionally it would
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: change in color from a shiny chrome to a dull
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: aluminum and then back to amber. He said when it
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: glowed amber, it looked like hot metal. And at one
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: point it became so bright that he could barely look
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: at it. It passed over his head and he could
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: feel heat from it. and a prickly, tingling sensation all
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: over his body. At one point, it actually landed on
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: tripod legs, and nine crew members, five men and four women, disembarked,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and he said that they were well-proportioned, immaculately groomed, dressed
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in tight-fitting, one-piece uniforms. They told him that they came
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: from the constellation of Coma Berenice, which is many light-years away.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: distant this constellation is notable for the large number of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: galaxies that it contains and after communicating telepathically they told
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: him that they were able to speak many of the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: languages of our planet and he had a 90 minute
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: long conversation in which they conversed both in English and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in Spanish and uh told him all kinds of things
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: talked about personal issues as well as general uh They
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: told him that by 1966, 17 nations on Earth will
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: have obtained atomic technology and will have an atomic bomb.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And all of this communication was through telepathy. It was
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: their desire that Earthlings would rise above their aggressiveness, their
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: warlike instincts. And they told... Paul Villa that love is, quote,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the most powerful force in all the universe and when
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: used correctly could transform the hearts of men. They said,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and I quote, when the law of love rules the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: minds of the men of earth, then the people of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: other worlds will come in great numbers and share with
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: us their advanced sciences. So that was the end of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that particular contact, but it wasn't his last one. In
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: April of 1965, he had another visitation and was able
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: to take a bunch of photographs. This was on April 18, 1965,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: about 20 miles south of Albuquerque, very close to the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Rio Grande River. The ship again landed on tripod landing gears,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: which protruded from the bottom of the craft. Crew members exited,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: three of them this time. And yeah, he photographed all
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: of this. And this was thrilling for many researchers. Brad
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Steiger examined these photographs and calls it, as he says,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and I quote, these are among the clearest UFO photographs
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: ever taken, though controversy over their authenticity has raged for decades.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: His apparently last contact occurred in late June of 1977
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: at around 11.30 a.m. Paul Villa was washing dishes in
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: his kitchen when he heard a loud crashing sound and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: looking out through his window he saw that the truck
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: bed in front of his home had just fallen off
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: of its blocks and looking above the truck he was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: shocked to see a small silver, chrome-like flying machine. It
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was flat on the bottom with a domed top and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: appeared to be about 10 to 20 feet in diameter.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: He grabbed his 127 Instamatic camera and rushed out into
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the yard and quickly snapped a series of approximately 11
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: photographs as the object circled overhead. So yeah, this is
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely an amazing and controversial case. There have been accusations
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of a hoax, but no one has been able to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: prove it. No one has been able to determine how
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Paul Villa was able to take these incredibly clear photographs.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: So it's a very interesting case, which has had an
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: impact upon this field for sure, and that's why I
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: wanted to include it here. And that moves us along
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to case number 14, which I call Burned by a UFO.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: This is a classic case. It's been quoted in many books.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It was recently investigated in depth by researcher David Marler,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: who happens to live in the same town where this
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: case occurred, which is Hobbs, New Mexico. And this case
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: occurred many years ago. at 4 p.m. on June 2, 1964,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and the main witness was an 8-year-old boy by the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: name of Charles Keith Davis. And he had gone with
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: his grandmother to the local laundromat, the Deluxe Laundry, and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: he was playing outside the doorway of the laundromat while
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: his grandmother, Ms. Frank Smith, was inside. And she was
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: just about three feet away from Charles when she heard
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a strange sound, which she described as like a whizzing bullet.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And she told reporters, and I quote, There was a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whooshing sound and a blackish ball of fire covered Charlie.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: He was covered with black, his hair standing on end
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and burning. Charles was just as black as he could be.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: His hair was standing up on top of his head.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I grabbed him and tried to smother out his hair,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: which was on fire. She just barely had time to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: see what appeared to be a metallic object that looked
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: kind of like a top swooped down out of the sky,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: hanged just above her grandson's head, poured out smoke, soot,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and fire, and within seconds this object darted away. Other
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: employees at the laundry rushed out and helped extinguish the flames.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Charles Keith was badly burned, and his face and neck
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: immediately began to swell. There was a strange sooty substance
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: all over him, and he turned to his grandma and said, Grandma,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: am I going to die? Well, they quickly rushed him
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to the local Lee General Hospital, Lee County Hospital, and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: he was treated for second-degree burns on his hand and face.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And he explained to the doctors that while he was playing,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: he saw this, quote, small black object with flames, a
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: fire that came out of the sky. A bunch of
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: his hair was burnt off. One of his ears, according
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to his grandmother, looked like, quote, a piece of raw meat.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: His head and face were so swollen that his eyes
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: had been forced shut and his nose was just barely visible. This,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of course, did get the attention of the FBI. They
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: requested and were sent samples of the boy's burned hair,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: his skin, and T-shirt for analysis. This is according to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Charles' grandmother, and she said she never heard back from
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the FBI and has no idea if they found anything unusual.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Researcher Coral Lorenzen was able to speak with the doctor
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: who treated Charles Keefe And the doctor obviously believed the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: story and he told Cora Lorenzen that there was nothing
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: particularly unusual about Charles Keith Burns except for one thing,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: which is that Charles suffered no pain. And he recuperated
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in the hospital for about five days. at which time
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: he healed from his injuries. He felt no pain, only
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: intense itching that was so severe he had to be sedated.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: What's interesting about this case is David Marler was able
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to locate Charles Keith Davis many years later and did
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a follow-up interview on the Martin Willis UFO podcast. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Charles Keith Davis recounted the whole story there. I definitely
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: recommend taking a look at it. It's an incredible story.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: It's one of very few cases in which people have
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: claimed to be injured by an apparent UFO. What exactly
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: this was is hard to say. It's not a unique case,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: but it's certainly very, very unusual. It's an excellent case
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: involving physiological reactions and that's why I wanted to include
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it here. And now we move along. We go to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: case number 13, which I call the UFO wave of 1965.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And this was investigated largely by Frank Edwards, a UFO
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: researcher and broadcaster, and also by Coral and Jim Lorenzen.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And what's amazing about this case is it was witnessed
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: by tens of thousands of people. This is one of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the most widely viewed UFO incidents in U.S.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: History.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: And at the time, there was a huge wave going
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: on across the entire United States. On the evening of
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: August 1st, 1965, police officers in Hobbs, New Mexico, observed a, quote,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: round white object with an orange tail which moved overhead
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: from east to west. And it was just a short
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: time later, about 69 miles to the west, that a
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: police dispatcher in Carlsbad, New Mexico, reported his sighting of
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a similar or the same object. And at the same time,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: 36 miles northwest of Carlsbad, Policemen in Artesia received four
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: separate reports of a bright white round object with a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: red-colored tail which passed overhead northeast of town. So this
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: little mini-wave was spectacular in its own right, but the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: next night proved to be one of the most dramatic
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: events ever in U.S.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: History.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: And according to researcher Frank Edwards, and I quote, One
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of the great landmark dates in the unfolding UFO mystery
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: was the memorable night of August 2nd and 3rd, 1965. Again,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a huge UFO wave was going on, but this night
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: proved to be unbelievably active. Thousands of reports came from
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: all across the central United States, from North Dakota down
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: through New Mexico all the way to Arizona. And as
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Frank Edward writes, and I quote, tens of thousands of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: persons in the Great Plains states stood out on that warm,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: clear night and watched an awe-inspiring aerial exhibition. Sometimes the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: lights moved in formation. Sometimes it was a single pulsing light.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they went high, sometimes so low that they could
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: be photographed by amateur camera operators. They were tracked on radar,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: both civil and military, according to state police reports, and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they changed formation from time to time. They changed speed,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and they changed color and size. It was a magnificent
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: display that brought out an estimated quarter of a million viewers.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The next morning, the Air Force released an explanation that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And according to Frank Edwards, the Air Force's conclusion was, quote,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: four stars in the constellation Orion. This turned out to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: be an absolutely ridiculous debunking explanation. According to Frank Edwards,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this widespread sighting and the Air Force's weak response actually
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: inspired him to write his first UFO book, Flying Saucers,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Serious Business. which became the first UFO book ever to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: reach the bestseller list. And the Air Force explanation that
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: this was four stars in the constellation Orion is completely ridiculous.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Professional astronomer Dr. Robert Risser pointed out that this could
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: not have been correct because the constellation Orion at that
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: time was not even visible from the United States. which just,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: once again, goes to show that the Air Force is lying, lying,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: lying when it comes to UFOs. And that's why I
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to include this case, because it is one of
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the most widely viewed cases in the United States and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: remains largely unknown. And now we move on to the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: next case. For case number 12, I chose NORAD Confirms Lies.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: pilot encounter. This is definitely one of the most significant
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: sightings of the 1990s. On May 25, 1995, the crew
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of American West Airlines Flight 564 was flying from Tampa,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Florida to Las Vegas when they had a dramatic encounter
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: with a large unknown object which raced by their plane.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: This Flight was piloted by Captain Eugene Tolleson and First
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Officer John Walters. and they were at about 39,000 feet
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: heading north over Texas when at about 10.25 p.m. they
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: observed a strange-looking craft just below them at 30,000 feet.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: They estimate that this object was about 400 feet long
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: was thin, cylindrical, and had blinking, pulsating strobe lights flashing
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: in sequence along its entire length. And as Flight 564
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: was entering New Mexico, they radioed Albuquerque Air Control and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: asked them if there was any other traffic in the area.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: And at this point, the following conversation ensued. And I'd
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: just like to play the audio tape, which was released.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: And it basically presents the conversation that took place between
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: these pilots, Albuquerque Air Traffic Control and Cannon Air Force
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Base and eventually NORAD.
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  Speaker 2: What's the altitude about? I don't know, probably right around 30,000.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: So it's a drill that starts up going kind of clockwise.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And the length is unbelievable.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Hannah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, kind of 39,000 because you see something at 30,000
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: and the length is unbelievable and it has a strobe
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: on it.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: This is not good.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Right side, if you see anything about 30,000 feet, one
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: aircraft reporting to us something. If it wasn't a weather
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: balloon or anything, it was a long, um, funny looking
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: thing with a strobe on it. Let me know if
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: you see anything out there. Yeah, you traffic up all
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the way right now? Uh, I've got some passing up here,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: 9 o'clock, about, uh, 12 and 31 west now.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: I've got something unusual, and I was wondering if you
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: all happen to know of anything going on out here.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: I had a couple of aircraft reported something 300 to
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: 400 foot long, cylindrically shaped with a strobe.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: At 30,000 feet. We don't have.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Anything going on out there that I know of.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: This guy definitely saw it run all the way down
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: the side of the airplane. It's right out of the X-Files.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a definite UFO or something like that.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, he... Oh, y'all are serious about it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's real serious about it, too. He looked at it,
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: saw it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Holy... We had someone call me earlier about a pilot
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: spotting an unidentified flying object. Yep, that's us. Okay, well, hey,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: we're tracking a search-only track, kind of, where that might
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: have happened. We've been tracking it for about three, four
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: minutes now.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: We're tracking out there at 4 to 1 o'clock. We're
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: going to roll out at 5 p.m.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: We have the radar.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: Station, 59-59. That's a negative sir, I don't have anything
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: up front yet.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Can you do an estimate on an altitude on it?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: We're between layers here, I'm going to estimate.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: It 2,000 feet below us maybe, and a little more
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: city light about, I don't know, 10 miles out.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Is that northwest of the joint that you see that
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: light now?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: That's how I saw it, a real bright white light,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: sometimes flickered underneath the clouds. Air Shuttle 5959, is that traffic.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: That you saw earlier, do you see them up.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: There any longer?
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: But it looks like a little thing right around it,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: like a frisbee type thing that's going around it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: What's that, a 3179?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Do you see the same thing? I saw it coming
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: out of the chart. I wondered.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Well, my thought was just a couple real bright flashes.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Of light, but it looked like it was underneath the
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: cloud deck for me, maybe 10,000 feet.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Would you think it might be like a reflection, maybe
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: perhaps off a beacon, that for some reason it's just
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: one of those weird things? It's definitely a big whitish.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Well, they're looking a little red.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: And greenish, white sort of pulsating, and it is confident.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: It's not a beacon.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Can't claim it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: It's not a beacon. So as you can see, this
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: is a very significant case. The only other known traffic
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: in this area at that time, other than.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Flight 564, was an Air Force.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: F-117A Nighthawk Stealth Fighter from the 49th Fighter Wing at
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Holloman Air Force Base. And they actually spoke to this
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: stealth fighter pilot. So none of the people were able
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: to identify this. And this object, whatever it was, eventually
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: accelerated off into the distance and was gone. Albuquerque Control was,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of course, concerned about this unidentified craft, and that's when
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: NORAD became involved in this whole conversation, and NORAD confirmed
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that they were actually tracking this object. So later, researchers
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: were able to actually obtain copies of this recording, and
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: on December 16, 1995, After they had contacted NORAD, NORAD
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: responded with an official letter denying that they had any
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: information about this incident and that they knew nothing about it,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: that they had, quote, no reports and no recordings of
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the alleged incident. And they actually asked investigators not to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: attempt to use the Freedom of Information Act to get
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: records from NORAD as NORAD, they said, is exempt from
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the Freedom of Information Act. So this is just a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: blatant cover-up. It's an incredible event. We've got the proof
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of it, and that's why I wanted to include it
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: on this list of New Mexico encounters. And now we
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: move to case number 11. And for case 11, I
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: chose the invasion of Cannon Air Force Base. This is
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: an incredible encounter. This occurred in 1976 when a series
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: of UFO sightings over Cannon Air Force Base, which is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: located in Clovis, New Mexico, and this series of sightings
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: over this very sensitive Air Force Base caused deep concern
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: at very high levels of military and government. The actual
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: date was January 21st at 4.55 a.m. when security police
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: at the base observed two glowing objects hovering near the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: flight line on the base. The objects were an estimated
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: 25 yards in diameter, 75 feet. They were gold or
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: silver in color with a blue light on top, a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: hole in the middle, and a red light on the bottom.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Air Force launched an immediate investigation they looked into weather
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: data radar evidence and this sighting was eventually actually reported
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to the National Military Command Center in Washington D.C. where
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: it was recorded in a memorandum by Rear Admiral J.B.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Morin who was at that time the Deputy Director for
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Operations at the National Military Command Center So we have
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: actual proof that this encounter did take place. These objects
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: over cannon were also seen by a large number of
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Clovis residents. One of them was Scott Price, who was
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a journalism student at New Mexico University, and he actually
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: took a photograph of this object as it performed strange
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: maneuvers over Clovis. Another witness was a high school senior
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: by the name of Steve Moscato, And he was in
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the top floor of the Clovis Hotel when he saw
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: this object. And this was on January 21st. But the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: next day, on January 22nd, 1976, the UFOs returned. They
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: again appeared over Cannon Air Force Base, which on this time,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Cannon Air Force Base scrambled jets to try to intercept
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: these objects. These objects reportedly easily evaded the jets, darting
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: at 90-degree angles and accelerating at very high speeds. And
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the encounter wasn't over yet. The next day, January 23rd,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the UFOs came back for a third night.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: In a row.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Shortly after the objects appeared, the Clovis police station received
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a huge flood of calls. By now, everyone in Clovis
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: knew about the sightings, and a lot of people saw
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: this third sighting According to police dispatcher Diane Kennemore, it
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: seemed that, quote, nearly everyone, end quote, in Clovis called
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: in to report UFOs. Now she says, and again I quote,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that many people can't be wrong. They all saw them
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: at the same time. Plus our officers saw them. Every
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: citizen that called was really willing to give his name, address,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: and phone number. And according to the Clovis police, they
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: received well in excess of 30 reports made between nightfall
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and midnight. And according to Diana Kennemore, several callers reported
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: seeing up to 20 objects at once. hovering directly over
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the Sandia Elementary School, which was located in the north
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: part of Clovis. And it was at this same time
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that the town marshal, Willie Ronquillo, of the nearby town
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: of Texaco, received a UFO report, and going outside, he
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: saw an object, totally silent, hovering at about 900 feet,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: directly over the town of Texaco. And according to him,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: this object glowed green and yellow, and blue, and when
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: it moved northward, he actually chased the object in his
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: car and heard several other police officers reporting their observations
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: of the same object. One of the witnesses was actually
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: a newspaper journalist with the Clovis News Journal, and he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: was one of the less than 23 objects, he said,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: sliding in and out of formation across the sky over Clovis.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And a group of state police officers reported one of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the last sightings of that evening. They saw a single
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: object moving at a high rate of speed heading towards Tucumcari.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: So by this time, of course, the objects made front-page news.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: They were the talk of the town. And according to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: witness Steve Moscato, and I quote... Everybody was excited about it.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: All the major networks were in town, and they were
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: all on top of the Hotel Clovis. Various UFO groups,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: of course, descended upon the town in hopes that the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: UFOs would come back and make another appearance, but apparently
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: this wave of activity was over, and a spokesman from
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Reese Air Force Base, which is 90 miles east of Clovis,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: said that they had nothing on their radar. and officials
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: from Cannon Air Force Base were less forthcoming. They said nothing.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: A gentleman by the name of Major Bert Roton, who
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: was the command post controller on that day, did tell
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: reporters that the base had received numerous inquiries from citizens
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: about the sightings, but that, and I quote, as far
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: as the military is concerned, it is strictly no comment.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: So thanks so much. Again, these guys are covering it up.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. One serviceman who was a Vietnam veteran actually
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: reported to the National UFO Reporting Center that he was
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: stationed at Cannon Air Force Base during this incident, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: he watched these jets get scrambled after the bogeys, as
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: he called them, and he spoke with the radar operator.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: And as this officer says... He, the radar operator, said
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: he had never seen anything like this. The bogeys would
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: appear and disappear, seeming without cause, and would occasionally move
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: at incredible speeds over and near the base. So this
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: serviceman actually called the radar shack again and asked about
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the bogeys, and a man answered the phone, identified himself
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: as a captain, and threatened the witness and said, and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I quote, there were no bogeys and no scramble. What
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: you are talking about never happened. You are a lying bleep.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I'll censor that word. And I can prove it. I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: will have you busted. I will be watching your every move, airman.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: You are not to mention a word of this to anyone, ever.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Am I clear? The serviceman replied, Yes, sir. So here
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: we again have A valid incident viewed by dozens, scores
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: of people, including military officers. Jets scrambled after it, and
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: the Air Force is saying absolutely nothing. Researcher Brian Veik
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: actually interviewed a serviceman who said that he found several
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: burned circles in a rancher's field. and that each of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: the circles was 30 feet in diameter. And this same
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: serviceman told Brian Veick that he was interviewed by an
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: agent from Washington, D.C. regarding the events. Later, UFO researcher
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Ray Stanford also studied the case and came away convinced
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: that this was a real sighting. Researcher Richard Dolan also
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: looked into it and came away convinced of the authenticity
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: of this incredible wave of encounters. And as Richard Dolan writes,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: it appears that something strange was going on in eastern
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: New Mexico. This is actually not the first time Cannon
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Air Force bases had incredible encounters. It was some years
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: earlier on May 18, 1954, when there was a really
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: incredible sighting. So this is more than 20 years earlier,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: and this was investigated by Jacques Vallée, and a UFO
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: landed directly on Cannon Military Base. The witnesses were two
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: people who were on the grounds of the base when
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: they saw a lens-shaped object about the size of a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: house swoop down out of the sky and land next
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: to the railroad tracks. And as it landed, it disturbed
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the local environment, causing a minor sandstorm around it. And
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: after the dust settled, one of the witnesses started to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: walk closely towards this landed object. And as he got close,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: he became overwhelmed with fear and ran away. And this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: object took off and departed. So that is the invasion
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: of Clovis Air Force Base. It's an amazing case, not
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: that well known, and very well verified, though completely covered
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: up by our wonderful U.S. government and military. That's why
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I wanted to include it here. It's an important case
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: that should be well known. So there you have it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: That is case number 20, all the way to case
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: number 11 of the top 20 cases UFO Encounters in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: New Mexico. These cases are taken from my book UFOs
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Over New Mexico, A True History of UFO Encounters in
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the Land of Enchantment. So if you want to learn
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: more about these cases, please do check out that book.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I've decided to chop this episode up into two parts
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: because it was just getting too long. I have a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: lot of information I want to share. So part two
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: will come next week and will include case number 10
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: all the way to case number one. So please stay
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: tuned and check it out next week. Until then, thanks
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: very much for watching. I really appreciate it and keep
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: having fun.