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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
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  Speaker 1: Total Group, Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst
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  Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shaddrick
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  Speaker 1: bring you the latest go on your Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars Huddle Up starts right now and welcome in. It's
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  Speaker 2: a bye week edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: November twentieth, JP Shadrick, John Oser, and of course Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 3: The week twelve bye is upon us.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have the aftermath of Week eleven, Ryons fifty two,
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars six, and an early look ahead at what to
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  Speaker 2: expect in the stretch run after the bye week, six games.
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  Speaker 3: To go in the regular year for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: The bye week It's upon us, Bucky, good afternoon, How
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  Speaker 2: are you?
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  Speaker 4: What's up? Guys? How are we doing? How's everything?
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  Speaker 2: It's going as good as can be expected after a
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  Speaker 2: beat down like that in Detroit in Motown in week
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  Speaker 2: eleven fifty two to six, there were all those reports
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  Speaker 2: pregame Bucky and then it's been quiet after the fact,
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  Speaker 2: and it's now just moving forward and trying to patch
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  Speaker 2: things up here in the bye week and then get
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  Speaker 2: to the stretch run. That's you know, it's a disappointing
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  Speaker 2: end to the pre bye week schedule.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say it that way.
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  Speaker 4: That's for sure, Yes, the disappointing end.
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  Speaker 5: And I feel like the report that came out probably
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  Speaker 5: set everybody up to look for something to happen Sunday night, Monday,
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  Speaker 5: even early Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: And you haven't seen anything happen.
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  Speaker 5: And as distracting as it's been for fans and observers,
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  Speaker 5: imagine the distraction that it's been for not only the players,
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  Speaker 5: but what about the coaches, what about the people in
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  Speaker 5: the building. You always know whenever you are in the
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  Speaker 5: middle of a losing streak and you haven't had a
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  Speaker 5: success that the team hasn't had in the last year,
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  Speaker 5: you always know that things are going to come up.
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  Speaker 5: But I would say just the volatile nature of the
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  Speaker 5: report led you to believe something, and I think it
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  Speaker 5: has had a negative impact on the team. Now that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't excuse the performance that we saw on Sunday, but
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  Speaker 5: you certainly feel like there's a black cloud hanging over
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  Speaker 5: the team, and at some point you were like a
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  Speaker 5: resolution one way or the other.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I guess I'm not shocked that nothing has happened,
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  Speaker 6: because you're never he's've been doing this long enough to
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  Speaker 6: never be shocked when the issue, when the question has changed,
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  Speaker 6: when the question is what is an owner going to
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  Speaker 6: or not? Do you just don't know because owners don't
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  Speaker 6: usually talk.
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  Speaker 7: About it a whole lot.
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  Speaker 6: I think it would defy logic if if Shod wasn't
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  Speaker 6: thinking about things. But what that means in terms of action,
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  Speaker 6: h JP, You and I have been doing this together
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  Speaker 6: for a long time. Yes, And I say with ownership changes,
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  Speaker 6: don't think that you know what's going to happen because
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  Speaker 6: it's up to one person.
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  Speaker 7: That's so it leads to speculation stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And then you know, there's no board, there's no you know. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: it's not an election, it's what Shod decides.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: Timing details, action, Uh, we just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So Monday went along as scheduled, locker room was open
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  Speaker 2: to the media, and then in the afternoon head coach
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  Speaker 2: Doug Peterson visiting with the media. No changes, no changes
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  Speaker 2: to the coaching staff either.
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  Speaker 3: He explained why.
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  Speaker 8: I think you gotta be really really careful when you
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  Speaker 8: start pointing fingers at certain people.
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  Speaker 4: It's a dangerous thing.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not gonna do that, not doing it, not
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  Speaker 8: right now, because that's as a head coach in this
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  Speaker 8: league that's going through what we're going through. You're you're
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  Speaker 8: you're pointing a finger, and if it's going to be pointed,
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  Speaker 8: it needs to be pointed at me to start with me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 9: So that's enough on that.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I got to say about that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the head coach on Monday, Bucky, And all right,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's saying.
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  Speaker 4: It how it is.
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  Speaker 5: That's how he believes that is in and it is and
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  Speaker 5: and and meanwhile, JP, while we're going through the podcast,
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking at my notes from the spring and the
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  Speaker 5: summer and the optimism and all of the things that
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  Speaker 5: we expected from the team. And Uh, the reason why
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking at is because coach talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 5: not finger pointing in those things, and I just remember
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  Speaker 5: like the comments and talked about familiarity, UH, players signing
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  Speaker 5: with Doug because they kind of knew what the program
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  Speaker 5: was going to be, how hard they worked in the offseason,
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  Speaker 5: the chemistry and attention to detail was there, and the
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  Speaker 5: urgency and how they talked about how tough the camp
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  Speaker 5: was and those things, and it's amazing when you have
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  Speaker 5: all of that conversation. It really didn't take but a
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  Speaker 5: half for a kind of unravel and I would say
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  Speaker 5: the first half, I would say the first game of
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  Speaker 5: the season, the Miami Dolphins game, where the team was
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  Speaker 5: up and really about the open a can on the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 5: Travisy Tenn is really on the on the verge of
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  Speaker 5: scoring a touchdown fumbles, and from that moment on, the
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  Speaker 5: season has absolutely spiral.
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  Speaker 4: And I am surprised.
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  Speaker 5: I'm surprised that it has kind of been that because
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  Speaker 5: the team talked about the toughness and the resilience and
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  Speaker 5: bouncing back from a disappointing fish finish to last season.
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  Speaker 5: That this team is sitting at two to nine, and
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  Speaker 5: I would say, based on the feeling down on the sideline,
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  Speaker 5: it felt pretty bleak and hopeless. I just can't believe
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  Speaker 5: that the team feels broken like it does based on
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  Speaker 5: the optimism that everyone in the building had heading into
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  Speaker 5: the season.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I would say if if that causes this.
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  Speaker 6: Then you weren't very good to begin with, ye meaning,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, if there's been plenty of seasons
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  Speaker 6: start off with a loss. I mean, you know, my
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  Speaker 6: favorite team growing up was the Washington team eighty three.
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  Speaker 7: They lost to Dallas week.
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  Speaker 6: One, and I'm going way way back, but it was
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  Speaker 6: devastating and it went fourteen to two. One of the
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  Speaker 6: best cold teams I covered lost to New England on
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  Speaker 6: a Thursday night in heartbreaking fashion, won the division at
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  Speaker 6: twelve and four, and Peyton through forty nine touchdowns. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's it can't end like I mean, that can't end it,
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  Speaker 6: and you Bucky's saying. I'm not saying what he said
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  Speaker 6: is wrong because I think it's I give some truth
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  Speaker 6: to it. But if that happened, you weren't mentally tough
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  Speaker 6: enough to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's reminded me a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twelve season. Right, first game of the season
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  Speaker 2: in Minnesota, Jaguars take the lead twenty seconds to go,
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  Speaker 2: Gabert to Shorts touchdown, then they give up a fifty
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  Speaker 2: five yard field goal lose it over time, and it
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  Speaker 2: was pretty much all over.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah it can't. I mean, and I do think there's
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  Speaker 6: something too. I mean, they were going in if Travis scores,
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  Speaker 6: I think they win that game. But to me, that's
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  Speaker 6: more of a what this team is than something that
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  Speaker 6: caused it. Meaning thank if you look back over three seasons,
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  Speaker 6: this team's a team that there's codd some deficiencies, because
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  Speaker 6: in every one of these seasons they've had a couple
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  Speaker 6: of games where they just got blown out of the building.
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  Speaker 6: I mean Detroit and not twenty two started it. They
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  Speaker 6: were still building at that point. But last year in Tampa,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you'll forget that game, but that was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 4: Oh it's horrible then.
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  Speaker 6: And then in I mean ninety two and twenty three,
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  Speaker 6: they they had the ability to win close games. They
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  Speaker 6: won close games. At the end of twenty two they
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  Speaker 6: won ed it. They started twenty three, there was there
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  Speaker 6: was a little bit of a confidence. I've been trying
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  Speaker 6: to figure this out, so I'm kind of thinking about it,
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of a confidence there for some reason,
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  Speaker 6: they could get over the humping close games this year.
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  Speaker 6: That's the element that's been missing.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 7: Bucky's the football. Yeah, hey, Bucky, your name's on the show.
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  Speaker 3: We got questions for you, Bucky.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it felt like they I think in twenty
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  Speaker 2: two and this is just me thinking, Bucky, correct me here,
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  Speaker 2: but they had a defensive swagger about him.
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  Speaker 3: At least in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: They had guys in the back end that could make
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  Speaker 2: plays in big moments, interception returns. You know, they had
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  Speaker 2: a little more obviously a lot more life than they
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  Speaker 2: have right now on the defensive side.
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  Speaker 3: I think that might have had something to do with it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, because the one thing that they could do
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  Speaker 5: the last two years prior to this year, they could
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  Speaker 5: turn the ball over, and the turnovers would kind of
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  Speaker 5: create a fees, a feeding frenzy.
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  Speaker 4: When it came to the energy, changing the energy in.
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  Speaker 5: The stadium, the offense would kind of pick up on
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  Speaker 5: the energy and you would see this team overcomes some
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  Speaker 5: slow starts because the defense would make a player two
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  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, it would spark like wildfire.
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  Speaker 4: This year hasn't been the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, let's be honest, like the last three
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  Speaker 5: years and the last two years in particular, we expected
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  Speaker 5: the offense to be the part of the team that
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  Speaker 5: would carry the team. The defense was supposed to be
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  Speaker 5: the part that could close it out. We've since changed
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  Speaker 5: our expectations where we expect the defense to carry the
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  Speaker 5: weight when the offense has really been the unit that
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  Speaker 5: is underperformed. The team is flawed, the team is not
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  Speaker 5: playing well, the team lacks confidence. But it all goes
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  Speaker 5: back to what John talked about, the mental toughness. So
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  Speaker 5: the lack thereof has really shown through and has been
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  Speaker 5: an issue because you don't finish the way that you
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  Speaker 5: finish and you don't play or start the way this
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  Speaker 5: season has started unless you lack a level of toughness
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  Speaker 5: and grit and determination to get jobs done.
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  Speaker 2: Let's come back in a moment and dig into the
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence future this season and beyond coming off a
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  Speaker 2: left shoulder issue.
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  Speaker 3: We're often running a tunnel up with Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe they're letting go of the road.
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  Speaker 9: I don't. It is a good football team.
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  Speaker 8: They are good, and they're gonna play for a long time.
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  Speaker 8: I think this year, you know, I mean, that's that's
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  Speaker 8: just without without question in the NFC.
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  Speaker 9: I look at it and and.
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  Speaker 8: Even visiting with guys today and seeing the guys today,
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  Speaker 8: you know they are they're they're tired. It's it's been
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  Speaker 8: you know, each week, each Monday, you know, we haven't
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  Speaker 8: felt very good and that also weighs on it.
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  Speaker 9: You're going into the next week.
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  Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson. Earlier this week the full press
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  Speaker 2: conference at Jaguars dot com or the Jaguars YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to huddle up with Bucky Brooks. Get down
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  Speaker 2: to the bank. Sunday, December first, when the Jaguars go
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  Speaker 2: head to head with the division rival Houston Texans.
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  Speaker 3: It's the My Cause, My Cleats game. Lock in your seats.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, the Texans beat the Cowboys on Monday Night Football.
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  Speaker 2: This week, JP Shadwick, John Osier and Bucky Brooks. As
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  Speaker 2: we continue to huddle up on this bye week, Let's
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  Speaker 2: get into this Jaguars offense.
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  Speaker 3: And what are you laughing at?
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  Speaker 4: Bucking Odo Man?
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  Speaker 5: Like, I gotta say this because I think every Jags fan,
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  Speaker 5: everybody who supports this team would be disgusted.
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  Speaker 4: At the comment that Doug just made about the team
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  Speaker 4: being tired.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's hard for civilians to really look
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  Speaker 5: at pro athletes and say that, oh my god, they
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  Speaker 5: lost a bunch of games in the row.
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  Speaker 4: They're so tired, let's give them the week off. I
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  Speaker 4: just think that's hard for a blue collar worker.
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  Speaker 5: To identify with that, And if anything, it goes back
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  Speaker 5: to what we're talking about the lack of toughness when
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  Speaker 5: it comes to the team.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you lost some games.
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  Speaker 5: In a row, but that should not impact your ability
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  Speaker 5: to come to work and do your job. To me,
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  Speaker 5: that's giving them a way out. Like we can talk
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  Speaker 5: about the coaches, we can talk about the front office,
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  Speaker 5: but at some point this also falls to the players.
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  Speaker 5: And if they don't have the energy where they need
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  Speaker 5: time off, or they just don't feel well and they're
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  Speaker 5: down because they're getting their tails kicked, they ultimately determine
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  Speaker 5: whether they get their tails kicked or not.
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  Speaker 4: So I just don't understand why the coach would let
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  Speaker 4: them off the hook.
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  Speaker 5: I understand taking a bullet for your but hey man,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes they got a walla wind, this muck, and for
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  Speaker 5: them not to be on the practice field this week,
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  Speaker 5: I just I don't know how you get better without practice.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought the same thing Bucky when he said it.
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  Speaker 6: I related to what he was saying, because Bucky, you
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  Speaker 6: and I before a couple of games I've expressed to you,
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  Speaker 6: I said, I wonder if this is the game where
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  Speaker 6: that stamina we talked about, you know, I forget which
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  Speaker 6: game it was, maybe Philly or you know, and I
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  Speaker 6: thought it might catch up with him in Detroit where
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  Speaker 6: they had that kind of a game, because the Lions
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  Speaker 6: are the kind of team that can sort of take
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  Speaker 6: that and really test it and then you can fall apart. Right,
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  Speaker 6: But look, this is the widest margin of the total
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  Speaker 6: yardage since what seventy nine? Yeah, there's been plenty of
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  Speaker 6: tire teams in the NFL in the last what forty
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  Speaker 6: five years?
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know. I kind of agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I think they are a mentally tired team, and
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  Speaker 6: I think this kind of a season can wear on you.
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  Speaker 6: But it goes back to what we talked about at
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  Speaker 6: the beginning of the show, right like, if if you
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  Speaker 6: can't recover from that, if you can't push through this,
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  Speaker 6: they're not very good. And that's sort of it feels
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  Speaker 6: like maybe the same thing, and I'm not getting into
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  Speaker 6: it very well, Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: No, it is what you said.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So part of why you have a tough training camp,
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  Speaker 5: because remember everyone talked about how tough training camp was,
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  Speaker 5: like Trevor Lawrence, they talked about having the joint practices
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  Speaker 5: with Tampa Tampa talking about how tough things are. We're
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  Speaker 5: part of the reason why you put your team through
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  Speaker 5: a tough camp is to prepare them for the tough
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  Speaker 5: stretches of the season that are.
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  Speaker 4: Inevidently going to come. And if they are not able
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  Speaker 4: to push through the adversity.
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  Speaker 5: Part of the season, how could they ever be a
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  Speaker 5: championship type team. And so to me, it's flawed not
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  Speaker 5: only in the building process, team building, camaraderie, building, whatever
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  Speaker 5: you want to say, it's flawed in terms of the
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  Speaker 5: type of people that you have because of the team
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  Speaker 5: is not prideful enough to try and bounce back from
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  Speaker 5: those moments and what kind of team do we have?
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  Speaker 5: What kind of players are you bringing in if they
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  Speaker 5: don't want to go. Ultimately, this is a very competitive
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  Speaker 5: game and competitors have to show up, and so the
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  Speaker 5: fact that the team is saying, oh, we're tired we
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  Speaker 5: don't feel good, we're discouraged, we don't. It's just hard
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  Speaker 5: for me to say, let them off the hook with that,
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  Speaker 5: give them a week off and they're gonna bounce back,
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  Speaker 5: and everything's gonna be magically fixed.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, they didn't wear pads the second day
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  Speaker 2: against the Bucks in practice, that was just the first day.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot of time. Yeah, it's just what it's crazy.
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  Speaker 6: That's particularly good because look, but I don't I don't
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  Speaker 6: be the old man here, but even tougher now are tough? Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, and I'm not saying I could do it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying within the context I'm fifty eight and I
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  Speaker 6: could have don them as twenty four. But within the
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  Speaker 6: context of professional football, come on.
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  Speaker 4: It's look, man, it's it's apparently it's not tough.
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  Speaker 5: And even if we talk about let's just say like
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  Speaker 5: toughness just in the terms of like what the current
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  Speaker 5: state is, right, the teams that are at the top
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  Speaker 5: of the list, when we look at the teams that
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  Speaker 5: are flourishing right now, the Detroit lines, we just saw
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  Speaker 5: their identities built on toughness and physicality. We look at
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  Speaker 5: the upstart La Charges, Jim Harbough came in, talked about toughness,
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  Speaker 5: physicality the Pittsburgh Steelers, who may not I would say,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how talented the Pittsburgh Steelers are, but toughness, physicality,
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  Speaker 5: all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: There appears to be a trend that the teams are
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  Speaker 4: successful in this.
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  Speaker 5: Lead are tough, minded, grizzled, heartened teams were. We obviously
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  Speaker 5: don't have that if we're unable to respond to a
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  Speaker 5: little adversity. And so it's look, man, everyone is to
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  Speaker 5: blame for that. Players, coaches, front office, everyone gets some
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  Speaker 5: of that. But I'm saying from the players standpoint, you
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  Speaker 5: just may not have the right composition to players in
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  Speaker 5: the locker room if they can't bounce back from some
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  Speaker 5: of these tough moments.
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  Speaker 2: All right, guys, let's come back and we'll get into
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence and what the futures are for him after
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  Speaker 2: the bye week. A lot of the plate today during
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  Speaker 2: a bye week at two and nine, that's what happens.
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  Speaker 3: It's huddle up with Bucky.
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  Speaker 9: Brook I'll say this, and I told the team this today.
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: I told to him after the game.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: That the team that was out there yesterday that was
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: not us. That's not who we are, that's not who
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: we stand for. There's enough pride in that locker room,
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: enough pride on the coaching staff.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: To whether we win, you know, whether we win the
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: game or not.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Right how we performed, it's not who we are.
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: It's not who we are.
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: It's not it's not how I coach, it's not how
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: we prepared during the week. It's not how the players
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: practice and what they put their bodies through.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Head coach Doug Peterson earlier this week and welcome back,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: AND's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 18:12
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• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's the bye week edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence left shoulder injury, has missed the last two weeks,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and I guess we'll find out after the bye week,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: maybe on Monday, probably later than that, if he is
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: getting a green light to go play, or if there
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: are bigger issues, Bucky. But this is where it gets interesting.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: With the franchise quarterback making as much money as he
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: is for the next six years after this season, the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: balance of long term hell to competing and playing if
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: he's healthy enough to play right now in a season
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that is essentially lost. This is a big organizational decision
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: coming up. And I mean, we'll see how Trevor responds.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe he comes back healthy, Bucky.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Who knows he shouldn't come back healthy?
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: I think, I mean he shouldn't play like I mean,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: why tried him out there when, like you're not playing
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: for the postseason.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Why risk an injury to your franchise player.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: And I understand the locker room, and I understand how
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: we want all.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Players to be created equal, But he's the quarterback.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: He's your franchise quarterback, and you're locked in to him
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: at fifty five million annually for a long time. So
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: why not let him rest and rehab, allow him to
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: be fully healthy when it returns next offseason, whether it's
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: OTA's training camp or whatever. To have the opportunity to
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: put forth your best team in twenty twenty five. To me, like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I don't know what benefits there are to try to
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: number sixteen out there.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: If he has an injury that is going to require
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: more evaluation, more rehab recovered, Let's start it right now
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: so he can be ready to go next year. Let's
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: not prolong it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it depends a little to a degree
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: on the time frame, like if it needs surgery, if
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: it can get if he can get back by whatever
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: is April fifteenth, whenever that starts. There's part of me
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see Trevor play through that, because I'm sure,
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: knowing him, he wants to. But if it, as Bucky said,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: if it does anything at all to if you think
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: you're unduly risking anything that affects that timeline or him
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: not being back raring to go as they say, then
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: I agree with you, And I guess I just don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: know because we don't have any firm knowledge of severity
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: and how much it'll affect potential return. To have the
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: facts make the statement, I agree, But if it affects
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: it at all, if the risk is higher than if
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: this wasn't going on, then I think he said.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, what's the reward if he you know, let's say
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he's out there right and.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: Well, he's still developing quarterback.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, and but how many of the weapons are
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: going to be around for the long term. Brian Thomas Jr. Right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Evan Ingram is still under contract for another year or so.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Right, I would say this, he has to be healthy
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: enough to benefit from what he's doing right, Right, And
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I guess what I mean Bucky is last year, in
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: the last six games when he played five, it didn't
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: feel like he was healthy enough to be improving at
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: that point or to be playing at his highest I
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: think he was healthy enough that they thought he was
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: a better option than the backup. And I think I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: saying that verty well, but if he's just struggling through
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: to gut out a win, then I don't think you.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: I absolutely don't think you're playing right.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Now, look, here's the thing, Like, after watching two games
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: of the offense with Mac Jones, it is clear in
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: the parent that Trevor Lawrence is needed for this team
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: to score points. Trevor Lawrence is needed to get the
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: rest of the team hope that they can win a game.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Like that's the feeling in the sense that I get
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: when I'm on the sideline.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: They don't believe that there's a path to victory if
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence is not at quarterback.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Part of your job.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: At the top is to make sure you protect your franchise, asset,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: your franchise quarterback. And despite the competitiveness that Trevor may
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: exhibit and wanting to play, risk reward, what are the
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: rewards of risking putting him out there, even if us
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: as non throwing show in those things, what are the
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: potential rewards of doing that. Okay, you win a game
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: or two, you fall out of maybe the number one position,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: to now you fall to number three in the draft.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: To me, I don't know if that is enough to
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: risk putting number sixteen out there. And as the leader
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: of the franchise or whatever, like, someone needs to say, hey,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: look he wants to go, he can do it, but
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: we just want to make sure that we have number
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: sixteen healthy and ready to go, and we want to
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: make sure we protect his long term interest and we
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: just play out the string because that's what it is.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I don't know how much is going to change over
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: the next few weeks, whether Trevor plays or not. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: just want to make sure that you protect a franchise
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: by protecting the quarterback.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Guys, let's come back.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: We'll try to salvage the defense when we return, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: we'll get our final thoughts to huddle up with Bucky Brothers.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Very disappointed, very very angry. Today was not our day at.
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: All, no phase of the game, and we got a
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: lot of work to do, especially going well. We got
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: it by week, so everybody hopefully give give first come
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: back divisional game, come back im fourth one.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: We gotta win. But right now, man, the feelin's are
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: you know, be angry? And uh so we got a
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: got a bye week.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Josh heinz Allen after the game at Ford Field, Detroit,
• 24:32
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• 24:34
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• 24:43
  Speaker 2: John Osier and Bucky Brooks defense second most yards the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Jaguars have ever allowed in a game, most in a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: sixty minute game. The overtime loss in Houston and twenty
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: twelve was the most to go allowed and then the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: most yardage in the ninety five year history of the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Detroit Lions organization. And their ninety first year in the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: city of Detroit. That includes the years in Portsmouth, Ohio
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: in their early days. That's a lot of football to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: be played. To give up six hundred and forty five yards.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Jaguars is going into that game where the worst defense
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: in the league overall, bottom or near the bottom in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: most every major metric, the lowest blitz rate in the league.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: What is there to salvage the rest of the way here, Bucky,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: mister defensive minded guy, what do you got?
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know where you can salvage.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: But what you're trying to do is you're trying to
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: take the butt by week And I heard coach Peterson
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: talk about they're gonna look at everything, look at all
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: the tactics, to personnel, the rotations, all those things, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: see what they can do to put a better product
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: on the field the last six weeks. I think if
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: you're Ryan Nilson and the coaching staff, you have to
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: look at everything that you've done.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Who are the players that you put on the field.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Does the scheme put them in the best position to succeed?
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: If not, what are the things that can change. It's
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: hard to do a major overhaul of the personnel. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: what can you do from a X and O standpoint
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: to help the players play better. We've seen this team
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: go from being I would say an aggressive, man demand
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: team to trying to be one that is a little
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: more ban but don't break.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: But both approaches have not yielded the results that you want.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I think what you have to do is look at
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: the strengths of the players, put them in a position
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: to play to those strengths as much as possible, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: you just got to live with the results.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: But what you want to do now is.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: You have to become a process oriented group more so
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: than a results driven group, because as a coach, you
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: got to assume that I'm gonna be here beyond this year.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Let me lock in and figure out what I can
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: fix to help us build some momentum down the stretch.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: First of all, some of those Portsmouth teams could hang
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: a number on you, so discount that absolutely. I thought
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: I thought, I thought they played ben but don't break.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: The other day.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: The problem was the Lions offensive line was so good
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: that once you got down into the point where you
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: would normally stop bending, the Lions could just break you.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: I mean, so that that approach makes sense except when
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: you're completely overmatch with the line of scrimmage. So that
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: was just kind of a thought that didn't was very
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: able to do with your question, what do they do?
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: I I think they'll play better defensively going forward. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: think they can get back to when they're playing lesser offenses,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: which pretty much any offense in the league right now
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: is gonna be lesser than Detroit because they match up
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: so well against Jacksonville, meaning their front being that overpowering.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: You worried beforehand, Bucky, that they would expose what we
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: all sort of felt was the Jaguars weakness the interior,
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: and that if they couldn't get off the field, they
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: were gonna be able. They were gonna be able to
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: impose will opening up everything. I'm not sure any other
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: team can white do that to that degree this year.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, let's look at the schedule.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm saying they're saying that that doesn't matter
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: because it shows you how far behind you are elite
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: right now. And I got off track, But that's that's
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: too bad.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: To your point, John, Texans, next Titans, after that, Jets, Raiders,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Titans again, and then the Colts.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: That's the remaining six games.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, so you can get some traction and
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: not be as bad as they were the other day.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: But the goodness, they were as bad as you can
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: get the other day. So I don't know if that
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: traction makes any difference get worse.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But we weren't.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: We weren't surprised because I remember JP asked the question
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: in the pregame talk about where, uh where, if anywhere,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: does do the Jaguars hold an advantage over the Detroit liance.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: And I couldn't give an answer. I couldn't give a
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: positive answer like offense, defense, O, line, D line, secondary nowhere.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: And that's a problem just from a personnel standpoint. And
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: then when you try and match the tactics to the personnel,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: what you're trying to do is accenuate your strengths and
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: mash your deficiencies.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: But the problem the way the team.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Is constructed right now, you're not dominant on the interior.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: You have two pass rushes in.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Trayvon Austin Josh einz Allen, but you have to have
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: more to be successful in the league. At linebacker, we've
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: had problems when we've been forced to match up in
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: man demand so you want to play more zone, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: when you are a defense that is not as fast
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: as the opponent, zone leaves too many holes and voids
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: and the catch and run stuff can get you. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: then on the outside we're still having I would say
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: communication issues when it comes to the coverage. Where am
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I supposed to be, who do I have? How do
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: we play this? And those things. So everyone is to
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: blame coaches, players, front office in terms of the the
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: pieces of the puzzle not matching up. But I will
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: say this, what you try to do is you try
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: to sell the team on Let's play these next six
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: games the best that we can do. Let's reset everything
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: when we come back on Monday and see if we
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: can build game plans that gives us an opportunity to
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: win the majority of these six games, and if we
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: can build some positive momentum, maybe we can realize some
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: of the potential that we thought that we had as
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: a team heading.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Into the season.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Easier said than done, but I think from a mental standpoint,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: that's what you have to do.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: If you're Doug Peterson the company.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the same thing applies to the other
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: side of the ball, too, But I mean every email.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: I get it keeps them talking about how quote predictable.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: The offense is.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: My experience is that typically when play callers feel like
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: the players that they have are somewhat limited, that tends
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: to limit what they call offensively because they're trying to
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: put these guys in situations where they can succeed. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: it feels to me like that's a little bit of Okay, well,
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: we don't really want to call this set of plays
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: because we feel like that puts us at a disadvantage
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: and not being able to execute it, So we're going
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: to stick to these. It gets predictable because there's not
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: that many things you feel confident in. And again, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: may not be saying that that well, but I think
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: I think Mac clearly the arm there limits a little
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: bit of what they're going to call downfield. That's just
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: how it feels to me. And then the fact that
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: you don't feel confident that you can establish the run,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, there's a limit to what
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: you can call in this, which I think is sort
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: of the offensive version of what you're talking about.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Buck.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, let's be honest, because it starts with the
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: quarterback first, right, the one thing that every team will
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: tell you is what you hope for is the quarterback
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that is in the game gives.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: You hope that you'll be able to get it done.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: When the defense believes in the quarterback, what they do
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: is they spend their time saying, hey, if we can
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: just get the ball back, I can lead us down
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: the field. Offensively, wide receivers run a little faster. They
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: give a little more energy and effort to getting open
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: because they know if I win my route, the ball
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: is gonna be right there for me and I'm gonna
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: be able to make a play. Same thing for the
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: offensive line. If we give right I got time, we
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: can make it happen. And unfortunately, right now, mac Jones
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: is not played well enough to inspire that kind of
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: hope on either side of the ball. Now he's trying to,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: like as hard as he can to be that guy, but.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Right now it just hasn't worked.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: That then forces the coaching staff to kind of shift
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: gears and try and figure out how can we win
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: working around.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Some of the things that he's struggling with. Can we
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: run the ball more?
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Can we do some different things screen passes, quick game
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: rhythm throws, play action, all of those things, and so
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: you're spending the wheel trying to find the right combination
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: of plays and concepts to help the quarterback, and then
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: helping the quarterback you help the rest of the team.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: But I'll be honest, the offensive line hasn't been good
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: enough to run the football successfully. We've had the same
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: issue the last two years in terms of being able
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: to convert third and fourth in shorts. On the outside,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: we're not winning consistently outside of Brian Thomas Junior to deserve.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: To have the ball go in their direction more often.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: And then when it comes to the quarterback, we just
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: haven't been accurate enough to be able to put the
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: ball on the playmakers when they do win. So it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: just been a failure in every aspect when it comes
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: to the offensive plan.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, other than that, everything's going fine here in Jacksonville.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: The bye week, you know, I'm real positive about it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: gonna happen moving ahead. After this show today, Bucky, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: must say, hey, Bucky, do you have a bye week?
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: How does that work? It is a bye week. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: been kind of crummy. So the good thing is being
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: able to kind of reseaid, you know what, I'm gonna do.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a queue from Doug Peterson and the
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: team and I'm just gonna reset.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I'm a little tired.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: All of these games have made me tired, so I'm
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: gonna try and rest and recharge and make sure that
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: I come back next week on Huddle Up fully ready
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: to go back to the positivity, trying to go one
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: and on next week. So yeah, I'm I'm gonna do
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: like the players, I'm gonna take some time off and
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna try and get it right next week.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: So that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna enjoy the
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: rest of the week and make sure I'm recharging, ready
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's a long stretch.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Run Joe on top that tough too. I'll do the same.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: I will take the rest of the show off.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I will.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I will do it just because that's what we do
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: during the bye week. Bucky will talk to you next week.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it all right, man, looking forward to it. Bucky
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Brooks joining us from Los Angeles. John Ozier, I'm JP Shattercker.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks to Joe Fortunato, Brent.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Reaver and our entire crew, and thanks
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: To you for watching Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,