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Credlin | 15 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up in the program tonight, Preferences. Now for many seats,
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Speaker 2: this selection will come down to preference flows, but how
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Speaker 2: many people really understand how the system works? A lesson
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Speaker 2: in Preferences one oh one coming up as a bit
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Speaker 2: of a refresher. A landmark court ruling two that will
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Speaker 2: likely impact children and transgender medicine. Will speak to legal
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Speaker 2: expert Chris Merit on that. More evidence tonight too on
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Speaker 2: the operation behind the tears, as I reveal an influencer
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Speaker 2: approach to spruit for a leg respender and proof to
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Speaker 2: the Climate two. One hundred of the so called independence
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Speaker 2: are working hand in glove. Labour's big ten billion dollar
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Speaker 2: housing lie exposed. The PM might be trying to buy
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Speaker 2: votes with this one, but almost none of the money
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Speaker 2: is actually in the budget at best. Two it's only
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Speaker 2: a twenty thousand dollars grant per home and just twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred homes that's all to be built over the next
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Speaker 2: four years. It's a long long way off that one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars new homes promise from the PM on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: Labor willing there's ten billion dollars to build one hundred
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Speaker 3: thousand new homes reserved for first home buyers only.
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Speaker 2: And look, we're going to stay with that big policy
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Speaker 2: announcement from the weekend because housing is dominating this campaign.
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Speaker 2: So it's worth asking a few hard questions about how
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Speaker 2: the party's policies might actually work, especially Labors, given all
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Speaker 2: the housing policies it's an out so far that have
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Speaker 2: been epic fails. The first of these Labors housing Australia Fund,
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Speaker 2: that was part of Labour's overall plan to deliver some
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Speaker 2: one point two million new homes over five years, that
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Speaker 2: so far failed to build a single new home, not one.
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Speaker 2: But doubling down on failure, Anthony Albineasy made housing a
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Speaker 2: feature of Sunday's launch, announcing ten billion dollars in new
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Speaker 2: funding that would supposedly deliver he said, one hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: new homes. Okay, Well take him on face value. Let's
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Speaker 2: do the maths on that ten billion and one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand new homes. That's one hundred thousand dollars per home. Now,
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Speaker 2: how's that work given the average cost of a dwelling
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Speaker 2: in Australia is four hundred and forty seven thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: What's more, of the one hundred thousand dollars per dwelling
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Speaker 2: the Labor's offering, only twenty thousand dollars of that is
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Speaker 2: grant funding, so cash, with the rest supposedly in concessional
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Speaker 2: loans from an unspecified source. Now, so far there's not
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Speaker 2: actually been any policy documents released, meaning it's clear that
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Speaker 2: they don't want the journalists to do those sums. All
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Speaker 2: we got is some commentary from the Treasurer that of
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Speaker 2: the ten billion dollar promised, just a fraction of that,
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Speaker 2: some six hundred million would be spent over the forward estimates.
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Speaker 4: So that's a.
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Speaker 2: Shortfall of nine point four billion dollars. Mean he'd have
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Speaker 2: to vote for Labor again at the next election to
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Speaker 2: see most of that funding eventual weight. But here's the
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Speaker 2: real con with only six hundred million actually on the table,
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Speaker 2: forget that promise of one hundred thousand new homes, all
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Speaker 2: we're going to get if they are elected is just
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Speaker 2: twelve hundred new homes over the next four years. That
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Speaker 2: works out to be three hundred homes a year, or
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Speaker 2: just two new homes per electorate just two. And we
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Speaker 2: need the media in this campaign to do their homework
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Speaker 2: on this stuff. I mean, where are the tough questions
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Speaker 2: on this in those daily press conferences? Do the numbers? Media,
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Speaker 2: It's not hard. Seriously, how stupid does Labour think we
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Speaker 2: are to be conned by this stuff? And it's precisely
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Speaker 2: because so much of this government's policy falls apart upon
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Speaker 2: examination that it's too far. So far, it's too early
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Speaker 2: to say that Peter Dutton can't win. At the halfway
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Speaker 2: point two thousand and four election, newsfol had Labor under
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Speaker 2: Mark Latham ahead fifty two point seven against the Coalition
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Speaker 2: John Howard on forty seven point five. Now that's where
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Speaker 2: Albanezy was yesterday. We know what happened to Latham. He
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Speaker 2: didn't just lose the House of Reps in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and four. Labor was wiped out in the Senator as well,
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Speaker 2: giving John Howard his famous majority. I've said this before too,
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Speaker 2: in relation to Tony Abbott, he was behind throughout the
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Speaker 2: twenty ten campaign before he ended up winning more seats
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Speaker 2: than Labor. Scott Morrison too well, he was behind all
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Speaker 2: year in twenty nineteen, including the campaign race, and then
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Speaker 2: he had his miracle win. The fundamental question for every
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Speaker 2: voter this selection must be are you better off now
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Speaker 2: than you were three years ago, to which the clear,
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Speaker 2: resounding answer has got to be no. And given that
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Speaker 2: the fundamental job of government is to make people's lives better,
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Speaker 2: that should be enough to rule out a second term
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Speaker 2: for a government that's clearly failed.
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Speaker 3: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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Speaker 3: reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 5: By twenty twenty five two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 5: a year one.
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Speaker 3: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.
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Speaker 6: Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 3: A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the
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Speaker 3: average house lower twenty five than today.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albertezi's refusal to even acknowledge and learnt apologize for
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Speaker 2: that lie should disqualify him from a second term. That said,
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Speaker 2: my mailbag from News full of good advice that I'm
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Speaker 2: being asked to pass on to Peter Dutton, such as
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Speaker 2: dumping net zero, cutting immigration harder, and coming out with
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Speaker 2: a few punchy three word slogans. Now I get it.
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Speaker 2: I understand it. There's a lot of people out there
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Speaker 2: that desperately want the coalition to win and fear that
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Speaker 2: it might not, even though our country desperately needs a
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Speaker 2: better government. Having worked on campaigns for over a decade,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to give Team Dutton free advice through
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Speaker 2: the television because last thing they need halfway through a
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Speaker 2: campaign is to respond to panic. To be honest, if
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Speaker 2: you look at the facts and the Albanezer government's first
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Speaker 2: term performance, I can't fathom how this election race is
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Speaker 2: even close. They've racked up a trillion dollars worth of debt,
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Speaker 2: They've settled us with deficits for the next decade. They've
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Speaker 2: turned our one comparative advantage, cheap energy, on its head,
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Speaker 2: whether it's reckless renewables obsession, that's just making Chinese factory
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Speaker 2: owners making wind turbines and solar panels richer, while our
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Speaker 2: pensions here can't even afford their power bills, not to
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Speaker 2: mention lining the pockets of all those foreign wind farm
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Speaker 2: owners with all those subsidies. We need a government that's
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Speaker 2: not keeping mortgage rates higher for longer, rather than one
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Speaker 2: that's lifted the size of government spending to a peacetime
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Speaker 2: record of twenty seven percent of GDP. A government that's
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Speaker 2: not flooding the country with low skilled migrants, some of
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Speaker 2: them at least like the three thousand from Gaza, unlikely
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Speaker 2: to share Australia's values. And we need a PM that's
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Speaker 2: not making excuses for comingist China, even when they deliberately
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Speaker 2: injure Australian sailors and conduct unannounced and unsafe live fire
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Speaker 2: exercises off the Australian coast. Your politicians always say you've
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Speaker 2: got to trust the voters. That's right. We have to
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Speaker 2: trust the voters, even those exposed to constant leftist brainwashing
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Speaker 2: in our schools and universities in a democracy. And sometimes
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Speaker 2: it's sad to admit this. We the people get the
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Speaker 2: government we deserve. Please Australia. We do not deserve another
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Speaker 2: three years of this. All right, let's go out to
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Speaker 2: the two campaigns. We'll start, of course, with the PM
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Speaker 2: his camps in the air, so political reporter can redder
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Speaker 2: and far this report a little earlier.
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Speaker 7: Well, Peter, the Prime Minister is attempting to focus on
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Speaker 7: two core components of his campaign, those being health and housing.
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Speaker 7: But again foreign politics is inserting itself in this election.
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Speaker 7: Reports emerging today that Russia has requested Indonesia allow it
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Speaker 7: to host long range military aircraft less than four fourteen hundred.
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Speaker 8: Kilometers from Australia's coastline.
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Speaker 3: We are ascertaining having a look at those reports as so.
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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister and Defense Minister have said, we have a
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Speaker 3: good relationship with our friend in Indonesia and we're seeking
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Speaker 3: further clarification.
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Speaker 6: Obviously do not want to.
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Speaker 3: See Russian influence in our regions.
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Speaker 5: We would want to hear from the Prime Minister about
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Speaker 5: what if it's have been undertaken. Obviously, surely they must
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Speaker 5: have known about this before it's been made public, and
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Speaker 5: if not, then that is a catastrophic failure of Penny
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Speaker 5: Wong and Anthony Obnesian.
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Speaker 7: Sky Neese understands there have already been questions asked of
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Speaker 7: Indonesia to explain the nature of this request and exactly
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Speaker 7: whether it will be accepted. My understanding, Peter, is that
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Speaker 7: there is no engagement between Australia and Russia at this stage.
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Speaker 7: The ambassador from Moscow recently left Canberra when his post
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Speaker 7: ended those questions. That dialogue just beginning today, We're yet
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Speaker 7: to see more of what the government's response might be.
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Speaker 4: We are here in Melbourne where.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister looks to focus on domestic matters, but
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Speaker 7: after a Chinese boat and American tariffs, it's now Vladimir
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Speaker 7: Putin's Russian regime poking its head at the halfway mark
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Speaker 7: of this campaign.
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Speaker 2: And it was a bit of a where's Wally two
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Speaker 2: in Victoria again? Just into Allen that one picture we've seen,
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Speaker 2: We've not seen her again. We'll see what happens in
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Speaker 2: the next few weeks. Now to the opposition leader's campaign.
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Speaker 2: Joining me from the Dutton team bus political reporter Ruben Spargo, Ruben,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. You're leader there. Peter Dutton using
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Speaker 2: today to sell his housing message. What can you tell us?
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Speaker 9: Yea the coalition today. Peter spent today attempting to capitalize
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Speaker 9: on vulnerable Victorian seats. Mister Darton started the day in
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Speaker 9: the seat of Hawk, which is held by a margin
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Speaker 9: of seven point six percent. Labour holds the power there.
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Speaker 9: Mister Darton was spooking his first home Buyers policy, which
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Speaker 9: would allow first home buyers to deduct Morgan for repayments
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Speaker 9: on from their taxable income.
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Speaker 4: He was flanked by his son Harry.
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Speaker 9: Mister Dutton while he was there was also facing questions
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Speaker 9: on whether Australia was living beyond its means when we
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Speaker 9: look at a decade of deficits and the debt which
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Speaker 9: is set to hit one point two trillion dollars.
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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty eight twenty twenty nine. It was from
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Speaker 4: there that.
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Speaker 9: Mister Dutton visited the seat of Gorton, held by a
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Speaker 9: margin of ten percent.
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Speaker 4: Was there he went for round ten of filling.
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Speaker 9: Up at a fuel station, sprooking his halving of the
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Speaker 9: fuel excise. He also got to chat with punters there.
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Speaker 9: I spoke to one truck driver who was speaking to
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Speaker 9: mister Dutton. He thought the harving of the fuel excise
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Speaker 9: was a good idea.
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Speaker 4: Did show a little bit.
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Speaker 9: Of skepticism about whether the fuel companies would try and
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Speaker 9: drive the prices up once that price came down by
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Speaker 9: the government's actions.
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Speaker 4: It was then mister Dutton went.
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Speaker 9: To the seat of Gorton, excuse me, McEwen held.
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Speaker 4: By a margin of three point eight percent. He visited
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Speaker 4: an earth moving company.
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Speaker 9: This was a two and one where he was talking
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Speaker 9: about the fuel and the housing policy.
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Speaker 2: Fredlin, that's it. I think they're Reuben, Thanks, Reuben, will
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Speaker 2: leave it. There a lot of labor seats they're visited too.
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Speaker 2: I might add lots of discussion in this campaign about
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Speaker 2: the role of influencers and social media players and whether
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Speaker 2: or not there skewing voters. I want to show you something.
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Speaker 2: This is exclusive that was sent to a prominent lifestyle
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Speaker 2: commentator from a PR agency seeking her interests to work
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Speaker 2: with the Allegal Spender campaign and climb at two hundred. Now.
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Speaker 2: On the first point, the email reads, we are looking
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Speaker 2: to partner with creators and voices in the community that
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Speaker 2: we believe aligned with her vision and values. Allegra was
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Speaker 2: running on policy platforms that focus on climate action, political integrity,
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Speaker 2: economic reform, and social inclusion, and with regards Climbate two hundred,
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Speaker 2: they were seeking interest in quote exploring the possibility of
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Speaker 2: collaborating with you on some content for use in social
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Speaker 2: media ads. All this for coin joining me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this. The more journalists The Daily Telegraph, James Willis
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Speaker 2: and senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center, Nick Kata,
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Speaker 2: will welcome James two things in this email that was
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Speaker 2: sent to me from one of these big influences, one
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Speaker 2: that shows their rise in the campaign not to be underestimated.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that the independent Legal spenders media strategy
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Speaker 2: is to work hand in glove with Climate two hundred.
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Speaker 2: This pr firm in the one email admits they're working
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Speaker 2: for both. They're not even trying now to maintain any
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Speaker 2: semblance of separation.
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, that's right, and good evening to you and
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Speaker 10: to Nique. And look these individual posts, young people will
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Speaker 10: tell you an influencer can often be paid tens of
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Speaker 10: thousands of dollars even more to post something on a
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Speaker 10: very popular Instagram or TikTok account to spook another product.
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Speaker 8: But the problem with this, as we know, is.
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Speaker 10: That it is a political ad, a political push being
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Speaker 10: dressed up as getting to know someone, and we've seen
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Speaker 10: a few examples of this already throughout the campaign. It's
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Speaker 10: a couple of things that are really really important about
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Speaker 10: this one. The first one is the link between Climate
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Speaker 10: two hundred and the independence is just so obvious.
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Speaker 8: And on the northern beaches there's a big sign with.
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Speaker 10: Zalie Stegel and doctor Sophie Scomps, who are the two
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Speaker 10: independent MPs, but they've managed to get the same billboard
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Speaker 10: together to spook.
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Speaker 8: How independent they are.
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Speaker 10: We know that a lot of the funding comes directly
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Speaker 10: from Climate two hundred. We know that a lot of
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Speaker 10: the donations from Climate two hundred have come from people
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Speaker 10: that have links to the.
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Speaker 8: Fossil fuel indus.
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Speaker 10: That's been reported by the Daily Telegraph in recent days.
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Speaker 10: And so when you talk about integrity from MPs that
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Speaker 10: should be leading from the front and calling this stuff down.
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Speaker 10: And we saw the appalling interview, the train wreck interview
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Speaker 10: Monique Ryan gave on the AVC the other day where
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Speaker 10: she didn't really have an opinion on social media influences
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Speaker 10: getting involved. I mean, come on, these people are proving
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Speaker 10: that they are likely just to be a blip on
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Speaker 10: the history of elections in this country rather than long
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Speaker 10: term because they haven't been able to keep their nose
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Speaker 10: clean on some of this stuff. This is really really
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Speaker 10: dirty and the problem for the major parties is that
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Speaker 10: they now have to invest a lot more time and
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Speaker 10: money and resources into convincing young voters that what they're
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Speaker 10: seeing on social media is not what it seems. So
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Speaker 10: it's a messy one. But in regards to the tials,
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Speaker 10: I mean it's hypocrisy.
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Speaker 8: Ritt large.
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Speaker 4: Nick.
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Speaker 2: I think the AEC, the Electric Commission's got it seriously
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Speaker 2: wrong here. If you were yourself to do an ad
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Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party, let's say a TV ad, you'd
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Speaker 2: have to have a written and authorized at the end
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Speaker 2: of that would have to disclose your relationship with the party.
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Speaker 2: But if you were to post something about the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party to your social media, nothing's require there in terms
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Speaker 2: of disclosures. They could use then probagate even further what
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Speaker 2: you've put out. You can be paid on MATSA. We'd
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Speaker 2: never know any of that. I think it's cash for comment.
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Speaker 2: I said that yesterday and I maintain that position.
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Speaker 11: I absolutely agree with you, Peter. I mean, this is
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Speaker 11: just one of the ways. What are the many ways
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Speaker 11: in which Climate two hundred of being caught out trying
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Speaker 11: to skirt around the electoral laws and given kick glove treatment,
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Speaker 11: as it seems by the Australian Electoral Commission. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I high lanted last week the case of all these
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Speaker 11: fake five fake local newspapers that have been set up
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Speaker 11: looking to all the world to be independent community newspapers.
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Speaker 11: The North shore LORI keep being one of them, just
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Speaker 11: running puff pieces, absolute puff pieces for the climate two
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Speaker 11: hundred candidates, an absolute terrible piece about the Liberal candidates,
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Speaker 11: and running really terrible scare stories about nuclear power, absolutely
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Speaker 11: ridiculous scare stories about how nuclear fallout is going to
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Speaker 11: hit the north shore of Sydney. They are ludicrous. But
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Speaker 11: they're doing all this outside the electoral laws, and so
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Speaker 11: on top of the two million or more they'll be
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Speaker 11: spending on each of these campaigns, they're spending millions more,
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Speaker 11: tens of millions of more propagating this cause. And they're
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Speaker 11: the ones that have bought big money politics, big money
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Speaker 11: into Australian politics that wasn't there before.
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Speaker 2: James Willis I mentioned this last night. It's got more
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Speaker 2: legs today the Prime Minister's interview where he says if
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Speaker 2: elected this time, he's going to run a third term,
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Speaker 2: he's going to be there at the next election. And
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Speaker 2: I could absolutely Betty, you'll be decking out the lawns
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Speaker 2: of Kurabilly House for his upcoming upcoming wedding. I met
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Speaker 2: he's already planted out the garden. He's decided. I know
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Speaker 2: they've been doing renovations there that's interesting in itself, but
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Speaker 2: I bet you he's got it all all right down
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Speaker 2: to the menu organized on the presumption he's just going
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Speaker 2: to walk in on the third of May.
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Speaker 10: What we know by now that Peter, when it comes
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Speaker 10: to daily briefings and performances, the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Leaves a lot to be desired.
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Speaker 10: Is rarely across his brief He's picking fights with journalists
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Speaker 10: every day. And he's been doing this weird thing at
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Speaker 10: press conferences now where he's not allowing other people at
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Speaker 10: the press conference to answer questions. He wants to take
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Speaker 10: center stage, pushes to the front. I've seen that on
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Speaker 10: a few clips on social media today. I mean, most
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Speaker 10: people would hear these comments Peter and think that the
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister is honestly going to be lucky to survive
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Speaker 10: from his own party through another term. It was only
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Speaker 10: a few months ago, off the back of the quantit
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Speaker 10: saga when he bought the house on the Central Coast.
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Speaker 10: Remember the Voice referendum as well, that the PM's polling
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Speaker 10: numbers were dreadful.
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Speaker 8: Now they might have improved slightly, but.
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Speaker 10: Still certainly people inside the Labor Party in the next
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Speaker 10: six to twelve months if they do survive May three
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Speaker 10: would be looking at the PM and whether he is
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Speaker 10: the right man to get them through another term. I
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Speaker 10: can't see it happening, And I think the big problem
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Speaker 10: for Anthony Alberanezi Peter, as you know, he's part of
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Speaker 10: the old system. He's sitting on a small fortune in
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Speaker 10: terms of super and entitlements. When he does finally leave,
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Speaker 10: I don't know what he's going to do after he
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Speaker 10: leaves Federal Parliament. I think he'd be really concerned and
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Speaker 10: confused about finding another job and maybe hopes that it
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Speaker 10: lasts forever. The problem is, as I say, I don't
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Speaker 10: think the labor caucus will allow that to continue. If
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Speaker 10: the next six to twelve months plays out after the election,
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Speaker 10: as it may well do.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you'll end up on an industry super fun board.
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Speaker 2: That's where all the labor guys go in their retirement
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Speaker 2: to get looked after by the unions and sit on
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Speaker 2: their big pensions. Hey, let's go to the coalition's defense policy.
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Speaker 2: This staggers me, Nick, I have to say, and I
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Speaker 2: made the point, I'm not going to give them free
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Speaker 2: advice through the but I'll tell you I have been
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Speaker 2: on the phone a few times. Why on earth would
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Speaker 2: you launch the campaign on Sunday and not have your
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Speaker 2: defense policy front and center. We say all the time,
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Speaker 2: these are dangerous times, these are uncertain times. The talk
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing is they want to align it with ANZAC Day.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, we'll start voting in pre polls next Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: ANZAC Day is at the end of so Friday week,
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Speaker 2: at the end of that week. I mean, come on,
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Speaker 2: this is a huge equity for the coalition. It should
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Speaker 2: be out there front and center, So too should be Andrew.
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Speaker 11: Hasty absolutely, Peter that this is a huge, huge issue
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Speaker 11: in the community. I know we say it's cost of living,
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Speaker 11: cost of living, cost of living, but the issue of
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Speaker 11: national security is really bearing down on people. There was
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Speaker 11: that discussion in one of the papers this morning about
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Speaker 11: the Trump effect. I think the big part of the
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Speaker 11: Trump effect is people fear not just the tariff, but
20:54
Speaker 11: more so whether America will buy its agreement with US
20:59
Speaker 11: under an and come to our aid, you know, if
21:02
Speaker 11: we're invading, because that Bingers crossed is not on the cards.
21:07
Speaker 11: But we have seen that Chinese warship do a victory
21:12
Speaker 11: lap around Australia and do live fire exercises off the
21:15
Speaker 11: coast of Sydney that is really scaring people in the community.
21:19
Speaker 11: It really really is. And this is where the Coalition
21:22
Speaker 11: should be playing to their strengths to be talking about
21:24
Speaker 11: defense big time, to be talking about spending big on defense,
21:28
Speaker 11: because that's the only thing I want them to spend
21:31
Speaker 11: big on, quite frankly, and I want them to spend
21:33
Speaker 11: very big on it. We should be really making this
21:36
Speaker 11: our strength at the moment. And absolutely let's see Andrew
21:39
Speaker 11: Haysey out the beut.
21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll come back to the issue of Vans Day.
21:44
Speaker 2: There's something there with the Greens. I'll give you an
21:46
Speaker 2: update to my deviewers a bit later on the show.
21:48
Speaker 2: But let's go back to the War Memorial. We saw
21:50
Speaker 2: that story that you've broke in the Telegraph yesterday, James.
21:53
Speaker 2: The Australian War Memorials made an official complaint against the ABC,
21:57
Speaker 2: alleging that four Corners used footage to make it look
22:02
Speaker 2: like that the construction going on at the War Memorial
22:06
Speaker 2: was done in a very disrespectful way during the last post.
22:11
Speaker 2: Have a listen, We're gonna have a serious look at
22:29
Speaker 2: the ABC here, James, because this is not the first time,
22:33
Speaker 2: they've been leveled a very serious allegation of doctoring audio
22:37
Speaker 2: and footage.
22:40
Speaker 10: Well, that's right, Peter, and having exhausted their avenues of
22:45
Speaker 10: going after veterans and the SAS and the military with
22:48
Speaker 10: dozens of stories over a five to six year period,
22:52
Speaker 10: they turned their attention to the War Memorial a month
22:54
Speaker 10: ago and basically, as a quick summary, the War Memorial
22:58
Speaker 10: is undergoing a five hundred million dollar redevelopment and expansion
23:02
Speaker 10: so we can tell the stories of Iraq and Afghanistan
23:05
Speaker 10: and all the brave people that served in those wars.
23:08
Speaker 8: And as part of that there is construction going on.
23:12
Speaker 10: The ABC put this footage to air, and the War
23:15
Speaker 10: Memorial's concern is that it made it look like the
23:19
Speaker 10: last post was being drowned out by construction, when they
23:23
Speaker 10: have very very clearly had no construction stop work orders
23:27
Speaker 10: during any commemorative service since twenty twenty.
23:31
Speaker 8: Now they've made a formal complaint.
23:32
Speaker 10: The complaint involves a number of points, including that vision
23:35
Speaker 10: that you've just played. Veterans groups are outraged by this.
23:39
Speaker 10: Today the ABC is refusing to apologize and saying we
23:42
Speaker 10: stand by the story, but ultimately the words from the
23:45
Speaker 10: War Memorial director Matt Anderson are At best, this was insensitive.
23:50
Speaker 10: At worst, it was deliberate and designed to mislead as
23:54
Speaker 10: the ABC did a one hour hit job that was
23:57
Speaker 10: critical of.
23:58
Speaker 8: The five hundred million dollar Exis Benson. So it's a
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Speaker 8: big story.
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Speaker 10: And as you say, not for the first time the
24:03
Speaker 10: ABC under fire for their coverage of veterans.
24:07
Speaker 8: And our defense force. And I think it should be condemned.
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Speaker 10: I think it's been terrible and it's been very, very
24:12
Speaker 10: one sided in my view.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will make the point for all the ABC
24:18
Speaker 2: carping about the cost of this multi million As you say,
24:21
Speaker 2: five hundred million dollar redevelopment's not just a renovation, it's
24:24
Speaker 2: a huge endeavor. It's the biggest expansion of the Warman
24:28
Speaker 2: Worial in its history. Five hundred million. Well, that's only
24:32
Speaker 2: half of what the ABC spends every single year, so
24:36
Speaker 2: they were to be careful of budget comparisons. Hey, Nick,
24:39
Speaker 2: just quickly. The Herald's Sun today, multiple sources from the
24:43
Speaker 2: left of the Liberal Party are quoted saying they want
24:46
Speaker 2: to challenge Moira Deemings number one spot on the Western
24:50
Speaker 2: Metro Upper House ticket. So this is the lower House,
24:52
Speaker 2: so the upper House of the State Parliament in Victoria.
24:56
Speaker 2: She's number one on the ticket. She obviously took on
24:59
Speaker 2: a job Perzzuto after he defamed her. We can say
25:02
Speaker 2: he defined her because that's what the court found. And
25:06
Speaker 2: I know she's got the support of the rank and far.
25:07
Speaker 2: But what is it with Victorian liberals the moderates in
25:11
Speaker 2: particular the left liberals that they want to make themselves
25:15
Speaker 2: the issue here yet again? Why would they try and
25:18
Speaker 2: roll her?
25:20
Speaker 11: Hadn't they learned their lesson Peter? It was incredible And
25:23
Speaker 11: look you make the point there the rank and file
25:25
Speaker 11: behind Baurer. So they've got to know they're not just
25:28
Speaker 11: taking on more redeeming. They're taking on the base of
25:32
Speaker 11: the party. The people that come out and do how
25:34
Speaker 11: to vote cards and give up their time to hold
25:36
Speaker 11: raffles and raise money for the party. That's who they're
25:40
Speaker 11: taking on. I mean, I was at a state conference
25:43
Speaker 11: there in Victoria when I saw the leader booed by
25:47
Speaker 11: the crowd, and that was over the more redeeming issue.
25:49
Speaker 11: We don't want to go back to that. Surely we
25:52
Speaker 11: put all this behind us with what happened now and
25:56
Speaker 11: she's now back in the party, thank goodness. Just leave
25:59
Speaker 11: well alone. I say the party has got enough difficulties
26:02
Speaker 11: getting elected these days with that that sort of nonsense
26:04
Speaker 11: going on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Red Batten's a real healer. I mean he's tried
26:09
Speaker 2: to move on from this. He wants to get to
26:12
Speaker 2: you know, get all the policy work done early, take
26:14
Speaker 2: the fight up to Allan. He's presuming, of course, that
26:17
Speaker 2: they'll dump her and they'll move to Labour's Ben Carroll.
26:20
Speaker 2: He knows he's in for a fight. But I'll tell
26:22
Speaker 2: you what the moderates down in Victoria deemi which he
26:25
Speaker 2: just wants to get on with the job and fight
26:27
Speaker 2: for Western Melbourne. How hard is that to just let
26:29
Speaker 2: her get on with it?
26:30
Speaker 4: All right?
26:31
Speaker 2: Jensa' leave it there, thank you very much. Hey, something
26:33
Speaker 2: before we go, bit lighthearted. Master Foods they've got a
26:36
Speaker 2: new special edition of tomato sauce out for the campaign.
26:39
Speaker 2: They're calling it Democracy Sausage or Democracy Source in this case.
26:43
Speaker 2: I think that's fantastic. I'll be getting a bottle of that,
26:45
Speaker 2: all right, quick break after the break. Why preferences matter
26:50
Speaker 2: not just at every election, but this one in particular,
26:53
Speaker 2: will break down some of the key seats where it
26:55
Speaker 2: could be the real difference between a win and a loss.
26:57
Speaker 2: Plus why is one rule for the tears and one
27:00
Speaker 2: rule for everyone else? Welcome back is still to come
27:08
Speaker 2: massive legal judgment in a gender medicine case that could
27:11
Speaker 2: have wide ranging ramifications for the family court and children.
27:15
Speaker 2: The first preference flows will likely decide the majority of
27:18
Speaker 2: seats at this election and in overall terms of course,
27:22
Speaker 2: the limbs have beaten labor and primary vote at most
27:24
Speaker 2: recent elections when the preferences come into play, So every
27:29
Speaker 2: other vote, after your first vote, after the number one vote,
27:34
Speaker 2: well for labor, that can shift the dial. It's why
27:37
Speaker 2: there's often such a big move between the primary vote
27:41
Speaker 2: and the two party preferred number. And yet despite how
27:44
Speaker 2: critical the preferences are, lots of voters don't know any
27:48
Speaker 2: idea how the systems work. So here for a quick refresher,
27:52
Speaker 2: I'm joined by our Sky News chief election analyst Tom Connell. Well, Tom,
27:57
Speaker 2: millions of Australians don't vote for the two major parties,
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Speaker 2: as we know, that's a trend that's likely to accelerate.
28:04
Speaker 2: So preferences are critical.
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Speaker 4: They absolutely are.
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Speaker 12: They will decide the vast majority of seats, and we
28:11
Speaker 12: saw an increase in the non major party vote last time?
28:14
Speaker 4: Will it happen again?
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Speaker 12: Let's have a look at the latest news poll compared
28:18
Speaker 12: to the past election. First of all, so the twenty
28:20
Speaker 12: twenty result, you can see the coalition vote, the primary
28:23
Speaker 12: vote is actually slightly down on the news bowl compared
28:26
Speaker 12: to last time.
28:27
Speaker 8: Labors are slightly up.
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Speaker 12: But has it a little bit of caution there, because
28:30
Speaker 12: last time we had Labour's primary way over estimated in
28:33
Speaker 12: the polling. So if that's the case, you'll see the
28:36
Speaker 12: amount of vote overall going to the two major parties
28:38
Speaker 12: down again and an even bigger emphasis on preferences. How
28:41
Speaker 12: many are we talking? Then let's have a look at
28:43
Speaker 12: the size of the vote that is affecting the election.
28:46
Speaker 12: So nearly four point seven million votes for non major
28:49
Speaker 12: parties in terms of that primary vote thirty two percent
28:52
Speaker 12: of formal votes overall. Every vote counts, of course into
28:55
Speaker 12: Canada preferred contests because you know a lot of people
28:58
Speaker 12: think I'm voting one and they might take a how
29:01
Speaker 12: to vote card. Parties don't swap preferences. You own your vote,
29:04
Speaker 12: you can do what you like. And as a result,
29:07
Speaker 12: we're not talking about someone voting for the Greens and
29:10
Speaker 12: are automatically going for Labor or voting one nation that
29:12
Speaker 12: goes to the Liberal Party. So how did that actually
29:14
Speaker 12: work last time around in terms of the national preference flow.
29:18
Speaker 12: If we look at the Greens, one point eight million votes,
29:21
Speaker 12: fourteen percent flow to the coalition. So I'm just looking
29:24
Speaker 12: at all these in terms of how much in other words,
29:26
Speaker 12: eighty five percent flowed to Labor In relevant to candid
29:30
Speaker 12: preferred contests, you can see how significant that was. Independent
29:34
Speaker 12: again very low to the coalition thirty six They get
29:36
Speaker 12: more one nation and UAP and Libdems, but that's not
29:39
Speaker 12: as much of the vote. So you can clearly see
29:41
Speaker 12: the big factors in seats are Greens and Independent, and
29:45
Speaker 12: that obviously has helped Labor in plenty of seats get
29:48
Speaker 12: over the line against the Liberal Party even when they're
29:50
Speaker 12: trailing on that primary vote.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, going on what you just outlined there,
29:57
Speaker 2: take some of that into some of the races we're
30:00
Speaker 2: looking at in the twenty sorry, in the twenty twenty
30:03
Speaker 2: five elections. Some of that learning into the current race.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, this is what's interesting, So we can see
30:11
Speaker 12: what happened last time and how that will influence similar
30:14
Speaker 12: type seats Let's start with a till seat Goldstein one
30:17
Speaker 12: by an independent by two point nine percent. I'll point
30:19
Speaker 12: out Zoey gold Zoey Daniel on this got thirty percent
30:22
Speaker 12: of the vote, eight percent behind her Liberal counterpart, So
30:25
Speaker 12: how did that switch. She got an eighty one point
30:27
Speaker 12: five percent of Labors votes and eighty six point six
30:30
Speaker 12: percent of the Greens. So, in other words, after someone
30:32
Speaker 12: tipped labor or the Greens first, then they went Zoe
30:35
Speaker 12: Daniel ahead. So as a result, the percentage flow to
30:38
Speaker 12: the independent Zoe Daniel there completely changed that seat thirty
30:41
Speaker 12: percent of the primary and yet she managed to win
30:43
Speaker 12: the seat.
30:44
Speaker 4: And we look at the seat of Ryan.
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Speaker 12: This was won by the Greens, again from the Liberal party.
30:49
Speaker 12: So the Greens won that by only two point six percent.
30:51
Speaker 12: Again their primary vote had a three in front of it.
30:54
Speaker 12: But look at the preference low eighty three point five
30:56
Speaker 12: percent of labor and that's the vast majority of the
30:59
Speaker 12: rest of the vote. He so even though they only
31:01
Speaker 12: got forty three percent of UAP, that's nowhere near as
31:04
Speaker 12: many votes. So again as a result, well behind in
31:06
Speaker 12: the primary, they win because of those labor votes.
31:10
Speaker 4: Then we go to the seat of Wills.
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Speaker 12: This was an interesting contest because it's actually what seat
31:13
Speaker 12: that was won by labor last time around by eight
31:16
Speaker 12: point six percent, and why was it won by labor
31:19
Speaker 12: with such strong vote liberal seventy three point three percent,
31:22
Speaker 12: So liberal voters went Liberal first, then Labor ahead of
31:26
Speaker 12: the Greens. If they'd done the other way around, if
31:27
Speaker 12: you flip that seventy three percent, you'd actually see the
31:30
Speaker 12: Labor hub party lose that seat.
31:32
Speaker 4: So this is what's interesting.
31:33
Speaker 12: You're getting Labor helped the Greens win seats, but it
31:36
Speaker 12: doesn't happen the other way around, which brings us to
31:38
Speaker 12: the seat of McNamara. Now we have heard Josh Burns
31:41
Speaker 12: say he's going to run an open ticket this time around.
31:44
Speaker 12: Why could that be relevant, Well, this was the primary
31:46
Speaker 12: vote last time around, thirty one point eight percent Labor
31:49
Speaker 12: twenty nine point six percent Greens twenty nine percent Liberal.
31:53
Speaker 12: In other words, it was really really close. When we
31:55
Speaker 12: see what happened in the exclusion as well, remembering they
31:58
Speaker 12: slowly cancel out for the lowest vote all the way
32:01
Speaker 12: up to the highest.
32:02
Speaker 2: When they canceled people out one by one last time around.
32:05
Speaker 12: If we bring that up, you can see how close
32:07
Speaker 12: this was at exclusion point to this being a labor
32:11
Speaker 12: was an in the end being a labor Liberal contest.
32:14
Speaker 12: With those votes, those Greens votes, they got Josh Burns elected.
32:17
Speaker 12: If that slightly changes though, you could see a Greens
32:20
Speaker 12: Liberal contest in that case with an open ticket, theoretically
32:24
Speaker 12: Labour could actually help the Liberal Party defeat the Greens.
32:26
Speaker 12: Now will that happen from labor voters. I'm not convinced, Peter,
32:30
Speaker 12: but at least the how to vote cards would leave
32:32
Speaker 12: the issue more open to voters, I suppose, versus what
32:35
Speaker 12: we've seen in the past, which is the how to
32:37
Speaker 12: vote system from Labor and the Greens being exchanged and
32:39
Speaker 12: helping to defeat Liberal Party.
32:44
Speaker 2: Excellent, Tom, I think we can't say this stuff and
32:46
Speaker 2: now we might even get a ballot paper and go
32:50
Speaker 2: specifically through how we even fill out a ballot paper,
32:53
Speaker 2: because I worry sometimes people work out, walk out and
32:56
Speaker 2: throw away their vote. Thanks for your time. I know
32:59
Speaker 2: you're getting ready for the camp, but appreciate it. Tonight,
33:01
Speaker 2: I'm going to go into this a little bit further,
33:03
Speaker 2: and we're going to look into the Gucci Greens, the Teals,
33:05
Speaker 2: because there's news about them today I'm joined now with
33:08
Speaker 2: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger. Peter, you and
33:13
Speaker 2: I talk about preferences. We talk about how critical the
33:16
Speaker 2: flows are and butt four Green preferences laboured hardly ever
33:19
Speaker 2: get to government in Canberra. The specific case of mac Namara.
33:24
Speaker 2: You've looked at this closely, haven't you.
33:26
Speaker 13: Yeah.
33:27
Speaker 1: This is the old seat of Melbourne Ports, which Labor
33:29
Speaker 1: have held for one hundred years, formerly represented by Michael Danby.
33:33
Speaker 1: This is a fascinating seat. Right, twelve percent of the
33:36
Speaker 1: electorate are of Jewish background, and Josh Burns, even though
33:41
Speaker 1: he came first, as Tom Connell's just pointed out, he
33:43
Speaker 1: came first in twenty twenty two, the Liberal Party candidate
33:46
Speaker 1: will come first this time. Our vote dropped dramatically in
33:49
Speaker 1: the twenty two election for lots of reasons. So Benson Salo,
33:52
Speaker 1: the Liberal candidate, will get a minimum of about thirty
33:54
Speaker 1: eight percent. Right, he could get forty forty two, hopefully
33:57
Speaker 1: forty five, but most likely high thirties. Josh Burns is
34:01
Speaker 1: likely to come third. Right, his vote's going to drop.
34:04
Speaker 1: The Labor Party primary votes often Victoria by about two
34:06
Speaker 1: to three percent, and a lot of Jewish voters won't
34:09
Speaker 1: have a bar of him. He could drop to twenty six,
34:12
Speaker 1: he would come third, the Greens come second. So it
34:14
Speaker 1: was Josh Burns' preferences that are going to get distributed. Now,
34:18
Speaker 1: this is where it gets interesting. Burns's Thomas said he's
34:22
Speaker 1: issuing a fifty to fifty hatavote cards. So the only
34:26
Speaker 1: way the Greens can get elected in McNamara is with
34:29
Speaker 1: Josh burns preferences. The only way the Greens can win,
34:32
Speaker 1: They're going to get twenty eight to thirty percent of
34:33
Speaker 1: the vote. They get to fifty one by getting majority
34:36
Speaker 1: of Burns's preferences. Burns has been incredibly weakened cowardly in
34:40
Speaker 1: issuing an open ticket. If he had any sense of decency,
34:44
Speaker 1: he'd say to vote as particularly Jewish voters in McNamara,
34:47
Speaker 1: you've got to put Benson Salo's second, the liberal guy
34:50
Speaker 1: after Burns, to stop the Greens. So he's trying to
34:53
Speaker 1: say to people, I've vote for me, vote for me
34:55
Speaker 1: to stop the Greens. No, No, the Greens we got
34:57
Speaker 1: elected if they do on Josh Burns's preferences.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's the point there, isn't it that if
35:02
Speaker 2: you are of labor persuasion, but you can't stand the
35:05
Speaker 2: Greens in a seat like that. You vote for Labor,
35:08
Speaker 2: you most likely will elect.
35:10
Speaker 1: A Green, going to elect the Green if you follow
35:13
Speaker 1: the Burns thing, where Burns is saying to Jewish voters
35:16
Speaker 1: there's a moral equivalence between liberals and the Greens on
35:20
Speaker 1: the Middle East.
35:21
Speaker 4: That's effective.
35:22
Speaker 1: What Burns is saying by is shooing an open had
35:24
Speaker 1: of our card. Now, if this guy had any decency,
35:27
Speaker 1: any morality at all, he'd simply say to the Labor Party,
35:30
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I cannot be in a situation where I'm
35:33
Speaker 1: doing a fifty to fifty Greens or Liberals are equal.
35:36
Speaker 1: He'd say to the Labour Party, I have to put
35:38
Speaker 1: the Liberal Bens and Salo ahead of the Greens. I
35:40
Speaker 1: have to put the Greens last on principle. And you
35:43
Speaker 1: don't like that, but my preferences might elect the liberal
35:46
Speaker 1: because he's going to be far better for my constituents
35:49
Speaker 1: and there was about their communities. Then there'll be a Green.
35:52
Speaker 1: So this ball is right in his court. It comes
35:55
Speaker 1: back to Peter what we've talked about before, which is
35:57
Speaker 1: the Labor National Executive as we know one by Alberanizi
36:01
Speaker 1: ten left, ten right, He's got the casting vade. This
36:04
Speaker 1: is his decision when he says to people, oh, it's
36:06
Speaker 1: a matter of the organization. No, no, no, he is the organization.
36:09
Speaker 1: The federal executive for the LP is the organization. He's
36:12
Speaker 1: got the swing vode. He and Burns will have had
36:14
Speaker 1: a discussion or through their offices, where Albanizi has said,
36:18
Speaker 1: do not preference the Liberals do a fifty to fifty,
36:21
Speaker 1: and Burns and said, if that's what I've got to do,
36:23
Speaker 1: that's what I do. Well, that's a disgrace. But this
36:25
Speaker 1: is not Burns's decision. He's too weak to stand up
36:28
Speaker 1: and he's being run over by Pennywog and Alberzi on
36:31
Speaker 1: this issue.
36:32
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the teals broadly. There's a number
36:35
Speaker 2: of stories around today and I don't want to miss
36:36
Speaker 2: any of them. Michella Roman Bishop's old seat currently held
36:41
Speaker 2: by Sophie Scamp She's a teal. She was at an
36:44
Speaker 2: RSL recently and they were reciting the ode. It's a
36:48
Speaker 2: moment you normally can hear a pin drop. She kept
36:51
Speaker 2: flapping her jaws, she was talking, she was moving around.
36:54
Speaker 2: She didn't stand to honor the ode when pushed about it,
37:01
Speaker 2: rather than just say look I got it wrong, I apologize.
37:04
Speaker 2: As is the case with most of these tears, there
37:06
Speaker 2: was an excuse, there was an explanation, something was going on.
37:09
Speaker 2: She didn't hear it. She's up against a soldier, former
37:13
Speaker 2: soldier in this race this time, James Brown, I think
37:17
Speaker 2: this is dangerous for her, given our proximity to Antec Day.
37:20
Speaker 1: You've got to remember, Peter, the Teals are superior to
37:23
Speaker 1: ordinary folk like us. They're not ordinary working class people.
37:27
Speaker 1: These people are intellectually superior, morally superior to all of us.
37:30
Speaker 1: You know, they're above the ordinary working fote folk. These
37:33
Speaker 1: people are a wealthy, privileged, selfish, arrogant and we saw
37:39
Speaker 1: that money ground on Sunday. What a preposterous interview she
37:43
Speaker 1: gave on the Insiders when she was asked about this
37:46
Speaker 1: whole issue of paying influences to back you and then
37:48
Speaker 1: not disclose the fact that you're paying them to support you,
37:51
Speaker 1: and she had to think about it. She couldn't even say, oh,
37:53
Speaker 1: that's morally wrong.
37:55
Speaker 4: No.
37:55
Speaker 1: The Greens these are people, you know, engulfed by their
37:59
Speaker 1: own arrogance and they can't admit any wrong. I mean,
38:02
Speaker 1: anyone who went to a ceremony like that would know
38:04
Speaker 1: to be very sensitition to what's going on right in
38:07
Speaker 1: that room. And when they play the Ode, when they
38:10
Speaker 1: recite the Ode, recite the olde, that great, that extraordinary
38:13
Speaker 1: poem that we've all many times. When they recite the Ode,
38:16
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's why the Anzac Day football, right,
38:20
Speaker 1: people say, well should it be held on an Anzact day?
38:22
Speaker 1: There is there is such a ceremony around football. There's
38:26
Speaker 1: a reverence and you know, you get ninety thousand, one
38:30
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people standing and as people you know we've
38:33
Speaker 1: been to that game. You can hear a pin drop
38:36
Speaker 1: amongst one hundred thousand people as they play the last post.
38:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's seats are real smoky there with
38:42
Speaker 2: James grauyp it is Michael Craig, thanks better all right
38:45
Speaker 2: after the break the landmark transgender ruling that could up
38:48
Speaker 2: and family called judgments, plus what on earth were the
38:50
Speaker 2: Greens thinking scheduling a rave on Anzac Day? Welco Bateke's
38:59
Speaker 2: still to come more on the rought that his labour's
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Speaker 2: housing policy, but first last week, one of the nation's
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Speaker 2: most prominent gender medicine experts, was ruled to have misled
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Speaker 2: the Family Court when giving evidence to support a mother
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Speaker 2: who wanted her child to be prescribed puberty blockers. Just
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Speaker 2: as Andrew Strom's judgment stripped the mother of custody, effectively
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Speaker 2: preventing the child from accessing gender change medicine. Today, a
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Speaker 2: former family called judge has suggested the landmark ruling could
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Speaker 2: upend precedents which allowed children to receive treatment without a
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Speaker 2: court intervention. Stuet Lindsay told The Australian he's concerned about
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Speaker 2: the impact of secrecy statutes and believes it could be
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Speaker 2: in the best interests of parents and children for identities
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Speaker 2: to be known. Joining me in now our legal affairs
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Speaker 2: contributor at The Australian, Chris merit Well, Chris, I think
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Speaker 2: the circumstances of this case are pretty important. Take us
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Speaker 2: through what was decided by the court and why.
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Speaker 6: Okay, this was a tragic case. It's about a twelve
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Speaker 6: year old boy. His parents lit up. The mother has
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Speaker 6: been taking this philow to a transsexual gender clinic from
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Speaker 6: the age of six. He's now twelve. She wanted to
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Speaker 6: proceed on a course of puberty blocking treatment. The father objected,
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Speaker 6: and that's how we got to court, and that's what
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Speaker 6: needs to change. Had the father believed the misdiagnosis his
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Speaker 6: former wife had received that their son had suffered from
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Speaker 6: gender dysphoria, there would be no role for the Federal
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Speaker 6: Circuit and Family Court in running a rule array over
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Speaker 6: this and just checking the rigor of that diagnosis. There's
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Speaker 6: a precedent, and this is what the former judge was
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Speaker 6: talking about. There's a president that makes it clear that
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Speaker 6: if both parents agree and are not in dispute about
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Speaker 6: a course of gender blocking treatment, it will go ahead
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Speaker 6: without any further involvement of the court. But in this
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Speaker 6: particular case, because the father objected, it found its way
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Speaker 6: into court. And when the medical experts were subjected to
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Speaker 6: a bit of cross examination and their evidence was tested
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Speaker 6: quite rigorously over a long period, huge flaws emerged. Some
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Speaker 6: obvious treatments were obvious, Potential causes of the boy's gender
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Speaker 6: confusion were not pursued. There was no attent, for example,
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Speaker 6: to test whether he suffered from autism, which can have
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Speaker 6: an effect on gender confusion. But that needs to change.
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Speaker 6: That's a role for the court itself. It needs to
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Speaker 6: go back and have a look at that existing precedent
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Speaker 6: and provide a role for itself in these cases. Because
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Speaker 6: if we've got a misdiagnosis in this case based on
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Speaker 6: what the judge said was evidence infected with ideology rather
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Speaker 6: than facts, there could be other cases like this proceeding.
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Speaker 6: So you have confused young people proceeding on a course
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Speaker 6: of life changing treatment because their parents trusted the diagnosis
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Speaker 6: of clinicians who have been clearly found who have engaged
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Speaker 6: in some very sloppy practice. Once their practice was subjected
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Speaker 6: to scrutiny by the court. Now that's not the end
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Speaker 6: of things. There's a role here for the next federal
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Speaker 6: government as well. The judge made the point that it's
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Speaker 6: a criminal offense to identify any of the witnesses involved
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Speaker 6: in this case. It's a criminal offense for anybody to
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Speaker 6: say who these doctors are who gave evidences that was
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Speaker 6: rejected by the court. But more importantly, diagnosed a young man,
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Speaker 6: a young boy wrongly as suffering from gender dysphorior and
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Speaker 6: had that not been picked up, this could have started
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Speaker 6: him in a course of action that doesn't stop. With
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Speaker 6: purity blockers. It's usually followed or sometimes followed by a
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Speaker 6: course of opposite sex hormone treatment and in the final
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Speaker 6: stage surgery, all based on a misdiagnosis. Now that's incredibly
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Speaker 6: significant and that needs to be addressed by the federal government,
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Speaker 6: the next federal government.
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Speaker 2: Well, we want to see both sides take a spine
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Speaker 2: on an issue like this, because, as you say, only
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Speaker 2: for the fact that the dad called into question what
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Speaker 2: was on the table in terms of treatment for his
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Speaker 2: son often you know, life changing treatment. Do we have
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Speaker 2: this outcome? Otherwise it would have just been way through.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. Thanks for your time, Chris, really
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Speaker 2: important subject. All right, quick break, I'm going to tell
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Speaker 2: you what the long game for the Greens is over
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Speaker 2: ANZAC day and Australia Day plus plummeting testless sales in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: What's that mean? Welcome back. Well, the PMCAS is going
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Speaker 2: to build one hundred thousand new homes just for first
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Speaker 2: home buyers, but he didn't say where they'd be built,
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Speaker 2: who would be eligible, or even how much they would cost.
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Speaker 2: And as I showed you at the top of the show,
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Speaker 2: with only six hundred million of the ten billion actually
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Speaker 2: even in the budget. All we're talking about is three
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Speaker 2: hundred homes a year tops. That's a long way off
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Speaker 2: what's promised here to discuss this a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: other issues. Liberal MP from Adelaide James Stevens and Senator
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Speaker 2: for Queensland James McGrath. James Stevens, When I do the numbers,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about two houses only per year in your electorate.
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Speaker 2: But it's worse than that. We look at the numbers,
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Speaker 2: he says, it's one hundred k per home out of
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Speaker 2: the ten billion. No, it's not. It's only an actual
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Speaker 2: committed grant of twenty thousand. In that one hundred k.
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Speaker 2: The rest is from some sort of loan that don't
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Speaker 2: tell us who's providing the loan or how you even
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Speaker 2: apply for it. No eligibility grounds. And second point is
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Speaker 2: who the heck's going to build these homes? Says the
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Speaker 2: building industry.
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Speaker 13: Spot on Peter. I mean, this is just another example
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Speaker 13: of Labour announcing a policy to look like they're doing
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Speaker 13: something to solve a problem they have frankly created. It's
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Speaker 13: not going to work. Like every other policy they've announced,
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Speaker 13: They've had three years to do something meaningful to address
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Speaker 13: the crisis in housing affordability. Here in Adelaide, our population
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Speaker 13: is about one point three million people. That's how many
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Speaker 13: migrants have come into the country since Albanezi came to power.
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Speaker 13: It's putting enormous pressure on the housing market. Young people
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Speaker 13: have lost the hope of buying a house. And this
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Speaker 13: is just a cruel hoax, this announcement. It's complete rubbish.
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Speaker 13: Like you say, the numbers don't stack up. They're trying
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Speaker 13: to look like they're doing something rather than actually helping
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Speaker 13: people get into the housing market.
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Speaker 2: I'll say it again. At best it'll be twelve hundred
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Speaker 2: homes across the country over four years. That's the best
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Speaker 2: case scenario. Let's go to wa James McGrath. We all
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Speaker 2: know what happened on the twenty fifth of April, Like
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Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of January, that day is in the
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Speaker 2: gun for the Greens. They'll get Australia Day. They reckon,
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Speaker 2: then they're going after Ranzai Day. Well, they've already started
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Speaker 2: going after Ransack Day. So they knew bloody well that
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Speaker 2: organizing a rave on the twenty fifth of April would
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Speaker 2: be a rave a dance party on Anzac Day. So
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Speaker 2: the PM couldn't call it out today. He said, you know,
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Speaker 2: protect the day, but it couldn't call out the Greens.
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Speaker 14: This is outrageous, It's beyond outrageous. Peter, and your viewers
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Speaker 14: should be so angry about this, about how the Greens
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Speaker 14: disrespect our historage and how they disrespect the sacrifice of
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Speaker 14: being made by men and women to make this country
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Speaker 14: so great, a sacrifice that the Greens just disrespect. I
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Speaker 14: can talk about that the federal seats of Ryan and Brisbane.
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Speaker 14: We've got the inaugural Army barracks, a lot of soldiers there,
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Speaker 14: but guess what, none of them, none of the community
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Speaker 14: groups in Ryan or Brisbane can get Australian flags. You've
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Speaker 14: got a Greens who refuse to condemn the vandalism on
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Speaker 14: the Australian War Memorial. The Greens hate modern Australia because
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Speaker 14: it was built by the men and women who did
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Speaker 14: so much to make this such a great country. And
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Speaker 14: Albanize is the guy who's going to do a preference
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Speaker 14: deal with these people to make sure he can stay
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Speaker 14: in power.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay with the Greens. We'll go to Brisbane because
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Speaker 2: they're about to announce one eleven and a half billion
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Speaker 2: dollars eleven point six billion dollars to give every child
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Speaker 2: in every public school across the country a taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: lunch per day. Now, James, I think this is first
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Speaker 2: of all, it displaces parents. It's saying you can't afford
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Speaker 2: to provide for your own children. And most parents I
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Speaker 2: know would do everything. I mean that they wouldn't eat
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Speaker 2: in order to be able to provide for their kids.
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Speaker 2: They want to look after their families. Most parents do.
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Speaker 2: But if we need to help families, we do it
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Speaker 2: on as needs basis. We shouldn't be funding an eleven
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Speaker 2: billion dollar tuck shop policy. This is outrageous.
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Speaker 13: Again I have to say, sorry, Peter, I'm not sure
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Speaker 13: if it's this James or the other James that's you.
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Speaker 2: James, even I couldn't do.
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Speaker 13: I couldn't agree, couldn't agree more. It is very offensive
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Speaker 13: to parents. It's treating them like they can't be trusted
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Speaker 13: to properly care for their kids, and of course they can.
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Speaker 13: And as you say, there are definitely children in need
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Speaker 13: and we should be targeting support to them. Another big
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Speaker 13: cash splash of money that we don't have from the
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Speaker 13: Greens that just is going to drive everyone's taxes up
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Speaker 13: everyone's costs up. All this kind of expenditure is enormously inflationary,
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Speaker 13: and it's just a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Frankly,
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Speaker 13: it's insulting to parents who very proudly look after their
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Speaker 13: kids and don't want the heavy hand of government having
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Speaker 13: more influence over their lives.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I'll leave. They're gents, Thanks for your time,
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Speaker 2: see you next week. That's it for me. Andrew's up next.