Latest / BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show / 1965: When Engines Roared and Rockets Soared
Transcript
- 0:00Break Fix's History of Motorsports Series is brought to you in part
- 0:04by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the
- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argo Singer family.
- 0:16On this episode of the Logbook, we stepped back into 1965 a year when
- 0:21engines roared rocket soared, and history was written across two frontiers,
- 0:25motorsports, and space exploration.
- 0:28It was the time of bold technologies, ambitious plans, and unforgettable
- 0:31achievements on the racetrack.
- 0:33Legends like Richard Petty, Jim Clark and Dan Gurney redefined
- 0:36competition in orbit and beyond.
- 0:38Pioneers, such as Frank Borman, Jim Lovell, and Ed White carried
- 0:41humanities aspirations to the stars.
- 0:44Together, their innovation set benchmarks that continue to shape both racing
- 0:48and exploration six decades later.
- 0:50Guiding us through this pivotal year is Dr. Mark D. Howell, a lifelong
- 0:54motorsports scholar and cultural historian with a PhD in American Culture
- 0:58Studies and a career spanning decades of teaching, writing, and leadership in
- 1:01the Society of Automotive Historians.
- 1:03Dr. Howell brings unmatched insight into how 1965 became a turning
- 1:07point in both speed and space.
- 1:09His work connects the roar of engines to the silence of space, showing how one
- 1:13extraordinary year continues to influence the way we race, explore, and dream.
- 1:18Join us as we uncover the sociocultural significance of 1965 a year that
- 1:22proved innovation, knows no boundaries, whether on the track or among the stars.
- 1:27Thank you.
- 1:28It's good to be here.
- 1:29I'm working on a book manuscript right now that is juxtaposing, as Kip was saying,
- 1:34kind of the connection between motor sports and space exploration because there
- 1:38is a connection and as a kid who grew up wanting to both be a race car driver and
- 1:44an astronaut, and couldn't quite determine which of the two was going to win.
- 1:47To my surprise, I noticed as I got older and became a cultural historian
- 1:52and started in academia that there was a connection between the two.
- 1:55So today this is an ongoing part of that research, and the
- 2:00reason I selected 1965 in part is because this year is significant.
- 2:04I mean, if you think about it, this is the 75th anniversary
- 2:07of what we know as Formula One.
- 2:09It's the 75th anniversary of the Wood Brothers getting into racing.
- 2:13So you've got these different kinds of anniversaries that kind of pop up around
- 2:17this year and 60 years ago, it seemed like there was a lot going on both in
- 2:23space exploration and motor sports, things that were going on that ended
- 2:27up setting the course for the future of both occupations and both endeavors.
- 2:33So that's where this comes from.
- 2:35The year 1965 stands out as a turning point in American technological
- 2:40and cultural history in both space exploration and in motor sports.
- 2:44Two fields that are often seen as unrelated, but they are connected.
- 2:49You had engineers, astronauts, drivers, and institutions that were simultaneously.
- 2:54Pushing the boundaries of speed, endurance, and human capability.
- 2:58It was a moment when advances in materials design and engineering
- 3:02converged with national ambition.
- 3:05It was also the year I was born and I haven't changed much.
- 3:10I still lean forward and I'm still kind of round in the face.
- 3:14So that's me.
- 3:15While these events meant nothing to me at the time, they have
- 3:18become meaningful through what was recorded, remembered, and retold.
- 3:23Looking back across six decades, I propose we understand 1965, not merely
- 3:29as a collection of milestones, but as a year whose significance is shaped by
- 3:33collective memory using the frameworks of societal logics and cultural identity.
- 3:40I submit that the narrative constructed around 1965 stories of innovation.
- 3:45Competition and national purpose continue to shape how we understand
- 3:50the relationship between technology and culture when examined through
- 3:54this lens, 1965 becomes more than a year of achievements.
- 3:58It becomes a cultural touchstone that reveals how societies make
- 4:02meaning from historic, competitive, and technological triumphs.
- 4:07As 1965 began, the United States was in the midst of the space race running
- 4:12second to the Soviet Union in placing satellites and animals in low Earth orbit.
- 4:19America was also chasing the technological and ideological target set
- 4:24by President John F. Kennedy in 1961.
- 4:27Of landing a man on the moon.
- 4:28By the end of the decade, NASA was caught off guard.
- 4:32When on April 12th, 1961, Yuri Guerin made a 108 minute flight aboard his
- 4:39VO stock won spacecraft scoring.
- 4:42Two monumental firsts for the Soviet Union.
- 4:45The first human in space and the first human to orbit the earth.
- 4:48In 1963, Russia's Valentina Ter Cova made 48 orbits over three days to
- 4:55become the first woman in space.
- 4:57And as a point of comparison, the first American woman in space was Sally Ride.
- 5:0320 years later, in June of 1983, in 1965, project Gemini tightened the space race
- 5:11by demonstrating the versatility and technology needed to reach the moon, not
- 5:15that Gemini got off to a rousing start.
- 5:18An article in the Bulletin of the Atomic scientists highlighted a rift
- 5:23between the US military and nasa.
- 5:26Because the agency, according to some people, was more interested in
- 5:30landing on the moon than developing America's military capability in space.
- 5:36Some believed, and this was precisely the case, this is what the Soviet
- 5:40Union was doing with their vehicles.
- 5:43So the rift was actually pretty well meaning.
- 5:45We weren't spying like the Soviet Union was using their technology to do.
- 5:50Now, that said, astronauts had been photographing the earth since.
- 5:53John Glenn took a store-bought Minolta point and shoot camera into orbit on
- 5:59Friendship seven In 1962, while American Space flight was seen as more scientific
- 6:05than spying, there were some in the federal government who thought manned
- 6:09missions were missed opportunities to observe America's enemies.
- 6:13From afar, the United States Air Force was in fact working with McDonald
- 6:18Aircraft, adapting Gemini hardware to develop a manned orbital laboratory
- 6:24that would conduct essential research as long as that essential research
- 6:29meant spying on other countries.
- 6:31The project stalled in 1966 as satellite technology was improving and funds
- 6:37were needed to fund the war in Vietnam.
- 6:40All the while the Soviet Union fully believed it was capable of beating
- 6:45NASA to the cratered lunar finish line.
- 6:48The Soviets upped the lunar ante in March with Alexi Land's Surprise
- 6:5313 minute extra vehicular activity.
- 6:56A move that forced NASA to fast track an American response.
- 7:01The first American EVA was scheduled for Gemini five later in the year, but
- 7:06Russia's awkward, yet successful, and I say awkward because when Leon F got
- 7:11out in the vacuum of space, his pressure suit inflated, and for a while they
- 7:16weren't sure how to deflate it enough to get 'em back through the hatch.
- 7:20Period of time when they thought they would just have to cut him
- 7:22loose because he was essentially the Michelin man in space and they had
- 7:26to figure out a way to get him back.
- 7:28They did.
- 7:28But anyway, his early spacewalk led the agency to assign America's
- 7:33first EVA to Gemini for only the second man flight of the program.
- 7:39Astronaut Edward White was assigned to conduct the spacewalk in early June.
- 7:44On the second orbit of Gemini Four's 66 orbit flight Commander James
- 7:49McDivitt assisted white in opening his hatch, allowing white to float
- 7:53free of his spacecraft, tethered by a 15 foot umbilical cord that provided
- 7:58communications and life support.
- 8:00White spent 23 minutes in space taking photographs and creating
- 8:04optics that unlike Leonardo's, EVA would promote Gemini Four's
- 8:09accomplishment throughout the world.
- 8:11More than a technical demonstration, ed White's EVA
- 8:14quickly became a cultural moment.
- 8:17The image of an American astronaut floating freely against the blackness
- 8:21of space, tethered only by a lifeline offered the nation a powerful symbol.
- 8:26At a moment when Cold War anxieties were high, this is the first mission where
- 8:31astronauts wore the American flag on their spacesuits, and that was actually
- 8:36at the bequest of McDivitt and white.
- 8:39They kind of knew that this was going to be a big moment for the United States, and
- 8:43so they went ahead and said, Hey, can you put the American flag on our space suits?
- 8:47NASA didn't stay with that, but if you look at the majority of space
- 8:50suits from this point on, you see an American flag, Gemini five flown in
- 8:54August by Gordon Cooper and Charles Pete Conrad, who were, by the way.
- 9:00Recognized outside the space program as both being competitive.
- 9:04Racers in their own right Cooper raced sports cars and hydroplane boats.
- 9:09Pete Conrad raced sports cars with the SCCA and he actually
- 9:13raced at Watkins Glen at least one time back in the early seventies.
- 9:18But their mission, Gemini five was to be the first spacecraft to use
- 9:22fuel cells instead of batteries as a source of internal power.
- 9:26Cooper and Conrad described their mission as eight days in a garbage can.
- 9:31Since their sole purpose was to live in Earth orbit and demonstrate that
- 9:35fuel cells could generate enough energy for a minimum duration lunar
- 9:40mission, they also had the EVA.
- 9:42Taken away from them.
- 9:43So they were kind of frustrated at that.
- 9:46They would also test a new radar technology that enabled vehicles
- 9:50to rendezvous in orbit with great precision, which was another
- 9:53critical aspect of going to the Moon.
- 9:56Cooper and Conrad being racers in their own right, commented on how loud and
- 10:01fast the Titan two launch vehicle was.
- 10:04Which was understandable given that Gemini crews went into space atop and
- 10:09ICBM designed to carry nuclear weapons Astronauts compared the Titan two to a
- 10:14sports car, maybe a Corvette Stingray.
- 10:17That's what they were driving.
- 10:18Given its quick and steady acceleration, which interestingly
- 10:22enough led to a sharp change in trajectory at a particular altitude
- 10:27that aimed the vehicle toward Russia.
- 10:29So what the astronauts had to learn to do was to counter that change in trajectory
- 10:33because that wasn't their intent.
- 10:35At least in the Gemini program.
- 10:37Gemini five ultimately earned the United States a new flight duration record of
- 10:417.96 days in orbit exceeding cosmina.
- 10:46Valerie Bukowski's record by 72 hours.
- 10:50The flight duration record of Gemini five was shattered four months
- 10:53later in December by Jim Lovell and Frank Borman on Gemini seven when
- 10:58they spent 13.77 days in orbit.
- 11:01This mission was the most ambitious of 1965 and probably of the entire Gemini.
- 11:07Program.
- 11:08It included a pretty big to-do list.
- 11:10The astronauts were gonna spend two weeks in space.
- 11:13They were gonna try new extra lightweight space suits, which you can see here.
- 11:17Their helmets are like, almost like big bags.
- 11:19They're wearing over their heads and executing a controlled reentry
- 11:24near their recovery location.
- 11:26Borman and Lovell were also tasked, and this is a direct
- 11:29quote from NASA three Scientific.
- 11:31Four technical, four spacecraft, and eight medical experiments.
- 11:35The medical experiments involved Frank Borman going into space with electrodes
- 11:40stuck in his skull under his helmet to get physiological data on their condition.
- 11:46Gemini seven became part of an unplanned exercise when Gemini six,
- 11:50an unmanned rendezvous target vehicle.
- 11:54Was lost after liftoff, which delayed the launch of Gemini six A, which was
- 11:59going to meet up with the target vehicle, Gemini six A, which was going to carry
- 12:04astronauts Tom Stafford and Wally Shirah.
- 12:07NASA planners suggested that Gemini seven liftoff before Gemini six A,
- 12:13so the two vehicles could attempt a manned rendezvous, which would
- 12:17be necessary for a lunar mission.
- 12:20In December, 1965, NASA achieved the incredible two Gemini
- 12:24spacecraft, one piloted by indie team car owner Wally Shara.
- 12:29He was a silent partner with AJ Foyt actually in 1967.
- 12:33Their car finished second at Indianapolis with Joe Leonard behind the wheel.
- 12:38But Wally Shara got the spacecraft together.
- 12:41They did kind of a side drafting sort of a thing.
- 12:44They got to within three feet to actually, at one point they got
- 12:47to within one foot of each other.
- 12:49At 17,500 miles an hour for five and a half hours at an altitude
- 12:54of 160 nautical miles, the astronauts could see each other.
- 12:58They could read signs held up to windows, and they were able to visually inspect
- 13:04the condition of both spacecraft.
- 13:06It was a technological achievement that gave 1965, added historical
- 13:10significance just as NASA rushed to match Soviet achievements
- 13:13through technical improvisation.
- 13:16Motorsports organizations in 1965 faced parallel pressures, organizational,
- 13:21cultural, and technological that shaped their own collective narratives.
- 13:27Take nascar for example.
- 13:28By 1965, American automakers were focused on engine development and horsepower.
- 13:33Nascar, on the other hand, stuck to its 1949 notion of showroom
- 13:38stock, stock cars, and the slogan, win on Sunday, sell on Monday.
- 13:44Another factor was the sanctioning body's homologation rules requiring manufacturers
- 13:49to produce a specific number of high powered creations for commercial sale.
- 13:54Many of these specialty engines like the 4 26 Hemi, which you see here, Ford's
- 13:594 27 camera and GM's 4 27 mark two.
- 14:04Were simply not available in showrooms.
- 14:07In October of 1964, NASCAR founder Bill France announced that in 1965, all engines
- 14:14used in competition had to meet strict guidelines limiting their displacement.
- 14:19Among other restrictive measures meant to govern on track performance.
- 14:24While manufacturers wanted to park their big engines in Victory Lane, big
- 14:28Bill France wanted stock cars to carry stock motors available to consumers.
- 14:34During the 1964 NASCAR season, Chrysler and Ford repeatedly criticized each
- 14:39other's creative engineering efforts while addressing NASCAR rule changes meant
- 14:45to level the high banked playing field.
- 14:47It was Chrysler's 4 26 Hemi that received the most public attention.
- 14:52Hemispherical combustion chambers were nothing new in 1964 and 1965.
- 14:57They were actually developed by Chrysler for the P 47 Thunderbolt.
- 15:02In World War ii, but World War II ended before the design
- 15:05could be put into production.
- 15:07This technology led to the development of the 4 26 Hemi, which big Bill France
- 15:12banned from competition in late 1964.
- 15:16Chrysler's Hemi allowed Richard Petty to dominate the Grand National Division
- 15:20earlier in 1964, winning his first Daytona 500 and his first grand National title
- 15:26with nine victories and 43 top tens.
- 15:29For 61 starts in a Plymouth Belvedere, powered by the Now Outlawed in
- 15:351965 by NASCAR 4 26 Hemi Engine.
- 15:39As such, the Chrysler Corporation took extreme measures after Chrysler announced
- 15:45it would boycott the 1965 NASCAR season.
- 15:48Richard Petty went racing with the National Hot Rod Association driving a
- 15:52petty enterprises prepared Hemi powered Plymouth Barracuda, given Petty's
- 15:57national fame and competitive dominance.
- 16:00In 1964, he was usually matched against a full-time drag racer.
- 16:05He ran against such NHRA regulars as.
- 16:09Don Nicholson and Ronnie Sox, and they were pretty much more like celebrity
- 16:14shootouts than elimination heats that you would see in competition.
- 16:19Petty's 1965 drag racing sabbatical was marred tragically in late February.
- 16:25When a component in the left front of his Plymouth failed during a
- 16:29race at Southeastern International Dragway near Dallas, Georgia, the car
- 16:33careened through a chain link fence.
- 16:35Went into the crowd, injured seven spectators, and took
- 16:39the life of 6-year-old Wayne Edward die Petty enterprises.
- 16:44Then built a second Hemi powered Barracuda, which carried Richard
- 16:48to an NHRA Spring Nationals win at Bristol Motor Speedway in 1965.
- 16:54Chrysler's Boycott of the 1965 NASCAR grand national season worked to
- 16:59the Ford Motor Company's advantage.
- 17:01Illinois native Fred Lorenzen led 25 of 133 laps to win the
- 17:07rain, shortened Daytona 500 in a top 11 sweep by Ford products.
- 17:12Lorenzen also won both grand National races at Charlotte
- 17:16in 1965, the day of my birth.
- 17:18By the way, was well timed and conveniently sandwiched
- 17:22between Fred Lorenzen win at Martinsville on 4 25, April 25th.
- 17:28That's the day before I was born, and then Tiny Lund drove
- 17:31a Ford to victory at Columbia.
- 17:34South Carolina on April 28th, and in the middle was me.
- 17:39Chrysler's.
- 17:40NASCAR boycott ended in late July of 1965 when the company met
- 17:45those homologation guidelines.
- 17:47Chrysler's first 1965 Grand National win came when Richard Petty won
- 17:53at Nashville in a 1965 Plymouth.
- 17:56The damage, however, had already been done.
- 17:59Ned Jarrett won the 1965 Grand National Championship with 13 wins
- 18:04in 54 starts in a Ford while Fred Lorenzen ended the year 13th in points
- 18:10with four wins in only 17 starts.
- 18:13Ford easily won the 1965 manufacturers championship
- 18:17with 50 victories in 55 races.
- 18:21One of the 50 wins, interestingly enough, was by Curtis Turner, who returned from
- 18:27his four year NASCAR induced suspension.
- 18:30He was suspended by Bill France for trying to bring organized labor,
- 18:34bring the Teamsters into organized nascar, NASCAR drivers at least.
- 18:39And so he returned from his sabbatical, shall we say.
- 18:43To win the very first grand national race held at Rockingham Speedway, and
- 18:48that was, uh, on October 31st in 1965.
- 18:52No discussion about the Ford Motor Company and 1965 would be complete without
- 18:58mention of that year's Indianapolis 500.
- 19:01The 1965 Indy 500 was a perfect storm as Scotsman Jim Clark dominated the
- 19:07race in his Lotus 38, a streamlined, lightweight Monaco chassis.
- 19:12Designed by Colin Chapman, who was an aviation engineer
- 19:16at one point and Len Terry.
- 19:18The car was engineered with an offset suspension and powered by
- 19:22a mid mounted 4.2 liter double overhead cam Ford V eight.
- 19:28The Lotus 38 was based on the Lotus 29 that finished second at Indy
- 19:32with Jim Clark in 1963 and the Lotus 34 that finished 17th at Indy with
- 19:39Dan Gurney in 1964, Jim Clark and his Lotus 38 averaged 150.686 miles
- 19:47an hour to win at the Brickyard.
- 19:49Breaking the 150 mile an hour barrier, as well as a J FO's 1964
- 19:55record of 1 47 0.35 in the final Indy 500 won by a front engine car.
- 20:02By the way, 64 was the last front engine win.
- 20:06Only six front engine cars were on the grid in 1965, making
- 20:11it the first Indianapolis 500 to feature mostly rear engine.
- 20:16Entrance teams at Indianapolis in 1965 face new rules in response
- 20:21to the tragic events of 1964.
- 20:23If you remember, that's when Dave McDonald and Eddie Sacks died in that fiery
- 20:27wreck right near the start of the race.
- 20:29These new rules included a new minimum weight restriction and new guidelines
- 20:33for fuel management guidelines that required cars to have a 75 gallon onboard
- 20:39capacity fuel tanks with rubber bladders.
- 20:42And no crossover tubes located in front of the driver teams at India in
- 20:471965 were encouraged to run methanol, which made more horsepower even though
- 20:52gasoline provided better mileage.
- 20:55That said, teams were now required by the roll to pit at least twice and
- 21:00to connect to their newly required.
- 21:03Another new rule, gravity fed fueling rigs, which eliminated any advantage
- 21:08to be had by running gasoline.
- 21:11The 1965 Indy 500 featured one of the largest and most impressive
- 21:15rookie classes in the events history.
- 21:17A roster that included Mario Andretti, Gordon Johncock,
- 21:21Joe Leonard, and Al Unser.
- 21:23The front row was comprised of a J Foyt who qualified with a new track record.
- 21:29Jim Clark was second and Dan Gurney on the outside of row one.
- 21:34Andretti was the fastest rookie starting fourth on the grid.
- 21:38When it comes to the 1965 Indy 500 and the influence of collective memory, the
- 21:43story of the Wood Brothers comes to mind.
- 21:45Popular meaning comes from our memories of the famous NASCAR pit
- 21:50crew servicing Jim Clark's Lotus and Route to Victory at the Brickyard.
- 21:55Despite such memories.
- 21:56Fact over fiction suggests the wood brothers were more of a
- 22:00Ford public relations stunt than a competitive necessity.
- 22:05Teams at Indy knew the wood brothers and their reputation in nascar, yet
- 22:09the crew was new to USAC competition.
- 22:12So any advantage they brought.
- 22:14To Team Lotus was unproven.
- 22:16Both time and history have suggested that the Wood brothers were not as
- 22:20much of a secret weapon, quote unquote.
- 22:22As our recollection of the 1965 Indy 500 leads us to believe the Wood Brothers
- 22:28turned 41.9 total seconds on Pit Road into team Lotus's dominating win.
- 22:35But the truth is.
- 22:36The Lotus 30 eights potent blend of aerodynamics, chassis design,
- 22:40and horsepower when put in the hands of an incredibly talented
- 22:44driver, enabled Ford to win.
- 22:47The Wood Brothers notable contribution at Indianapolis, which led to
- 22:51the Venturi tube that the Wood Brothers added to the gravity Fed
- 22:57fuel rig that was now required.
- 22:59The idea that Venturi tube made the fuel flow smoother and faster.
- 23:03But anyway, after getting through USAC inspection.
- 23:06Leonard Wood then devoted several hours to polishing and fitting, making sure all the
- 23:11connections and nozzles worked right to ensure maximum efficiency come race day.
- 23:16Jim Clark had to stop precisely in his box to maximize his refueling strategy.
- 23:22Leonard Wood quoted Clark as saying, you tell me where to stop and I'll stop.
- 23:26Wood showed Clark the exact location the crew needed and
- 23:30the world driving champion.
- 23:32According to wood, squatted the Lotus 38 down on the exact spot every time.
- 23:38Stops were simpler for the wood brothers because Clark went the entire
- 23:42500 miles on a single set of tires.
- 23:45The first stop took only 17 seconds, which is an amazing time given
- 23:50that pit stops during the era.
- 23:51Typically ran about a minute or so.
- 23:54Colin Chapman was taken aback by the efficiency of the wood brothers after
- 23:58their first record breaking stop.
- 24:00Chapman apparently looked over at Glen Wood and asked, I say, did you fill it up?
- 24:07Wood assured him the car was full, and Chapman simply turned
- 24:10away and said, jolly good.
- 24:12In a way, they went.
- 24:13Even the wood brothers themselves downplayed the significance of their role
- 24:18at Indianapolis in 1965, giving credit not only to Team Lotus and Jim Clark, but to
- 24:23the powerful 4.2 liter double overhead cam Ford motor that took them to Victory Lane.
- 24:30As Leonard Woods said many years later, it was their engine, so it was
- 24:34all about Ford and what they brought.
- 24:37The Ford Motor Company wanted to gain a stronghold in European style endurance
- 24:41racing, so they turned to racer.
- 24:43Turned innovator.
- 24:44Carol Shelby for guidance.
- 24:46Not only did Shelby oversee production of the 4 27 Cobra in 1965, finding a
- 24:52practical use for the high performance motor, but he also assumed control of
- 24:58the company's GT 40 program that it struggled mightily at LA Mall in 1964.
- 25:05At Daytona in February, 1965, Carol Shelby brought a roster of competitive
- 25:10cars and drivers to open the FIA World Sports Car Championship season.
- 25:15Shelby went to Florida with four Cobra Daytona coops and a
- 25:19pair of brand new GT forties.
- 25:21When the checkered flag fell, Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby went to Victory
- 25:25Lane earning Ford's GT program.
- 25:28Its First World Sports Car Championship win.
- 25:31Taking first place with a five lap advantage and setting the stage
- 25:36for the GT Forty's future success.
- 25:38All in all, Shelby entries that day took five of the top six finishing
- 25:43positions, the global presence of Shelby and his GT forties, and his
- 25:47Cobra Daytona coops turned forward from a pretender into a contender.
- 25:53While Daytona Coops performed well in World Sports Car Competition and won
- 25:57the CCAs United States GT title in 1964, the cars did even better in 1965,
- 26:05winning not only at Daytona, but also at Sebring Monza, the Berg Ring and Ream.
- 26:12To take the International Championship for GT manufacturers in November
- 26:17of 1965, Carol Shelby received a call from Goodyear with an offer.
- 26:23The company had four days available to run at the Bonneville
- 26:26Salt Flats, but no viable car.
- 26:28The forecast for weather wasn't good and the clock was ticking.
- 26:32Art Arfons was preparing to make a record attempt using Firestone
- 26:36Tires, and the rules at Bonneville dictated that cars not ready to run,
- 26:40had to yield to other competitors.
- 26:43Shelby sent a Daytona Coop that competed at Lima in June to the
- 26:48Salt Flats with a new motor.
- 26:50New Goodyear tires and the same rear axle ratio used in France.
- 26:55The Shelby entry traveled the 700 miles from California to Utah overnight,
- 27:01and upon getting there, the car wound up setting 25 FIA records.
- 27:06One of the records was when Bobby Tero and Craig Breedlove teamed up
- 27:11to run 1,931 miles on the 12 mile Bonneville loop, and they reached an
- 27:18average speed of 150 miles an hour.
- 27:21No review of motor sports during 1965 would be complete without
- 27:25the Bonneville salt flats.
- 27:27The dry lake bed in Utah was a hemi friendly environment, uh, where the big
- 27:31engine was enthusiastically welcomed in November, California and Bob Summers
- 27:36set a world land speed record for wheel driven vehicles achieving a two
- 27:41pass average of 4 0 9 0.277 in his revolutionary golden rod car measuring
- 27:4732 feet long by 48 inches wide.
- 27:51Its frontal area was calculated to be 8.53 square feet with a drag coefficient
- 27:57of 0.1165 making the vehicle literally more aerodynamic than a bullet.
- 28:04Goldenrod was designed by Bill Summers.
- 28:07Bob's brother using four Hemi Motors borrowed from Chrysler.
- 28:13The hemis ran in line two-faced front, two-faced rear with a five speed truck
- 28:17transmission mounted at each end.
- 28:20The entire powertrain linked by custom built drive shafts.
- 28:24Bill and Bob Summers handcrafted the car's entire chassis roll cage and body in a
- 28:30converted vegetable stand in Ontario, California, creating a vehicle that set a
- 28:36land speed record that stood until 2010.
- 28:39In addition to the record, Craig Breedlove.
- 28:42Set in Carol Shelby's Daytona Coop, he and Art Aons, they took turns
- 28:48breaking speed barriers in their renowned battle of the jet cars.
- 28:52The rivalry between breed love and Aons actually began in late 1964 when breed
- 28:59love's Spirit of America reached 526.28 miles an hour before his parachute
- 29:05failed and the car was wrecked.
- 29:07Art Aons set a new record about a year later in his green monster, only to
- 29:12lose it to Breedlove the following week.
- 29:14The one upsmanship came to a head when Breedlove hit 5 55 0.485 on
- 29:20November 2nd, only to be outrun by Aons on November 7th at 5 76 0.55.
- 29:27Three breed love made yet another.
- 29:30Record attempt on November 15th in his Spirit of America, Sonic One, and this
- 29:36time, the third time was the charm as Breedlove's fighter jet shaped race
- 29:41car broke the 600 mile an hour barrier.
- 29:44He hit 600.601 miles an hour, and Craig Breedlove was instantly labeled
- 29:49by the media as America's quote.
- 29:52Astronaut on Wheels Breed Loves 1965.
- 29:56Records stood until Gary Gli ran 6 22 in October of 1970.
- 30:031965 was populated with an incredible assortment of motorsports talent.
- 30:08Mario Andretti won the 1965 USAC National Championship, taking the title
- 30:13by 610 points over a j Foyt in 1965.
- 30:18Andretti drove Roadsters.
- 30:21Rear engine cars, dirt cars, and was named Rookie of the
- 30:24Year at the Indianapolis 500.
- 30:27An example of the young driver's tenacity at the Trenton one 50 in July,
- 30:32Andretti wrecked his Dean Van Lines entry and failed to qualify for the race.
- 30:38Even after missing Trenton and including back-to-back DNFs at
- 30:43Milwaukee and Decoin, Mario Andretti took the 1965 U Sac title with one win.
- 30:4912 top fives, 13 top tens and three poll positions across the Atlantic.
- 30:55A young Scotsman named Jackie Stewart Advanced from Formula two to Formula One,
- 31:00making his first championship start in South Africa and finishing sixth for BRM.
- 31:06His first World Championship victory came in the Italian Grand
- 31:09Prix at Manza, where he finished ahead of his teammate Graham Hill.
- 31:13Stewart's rookie season in 1965 was an impressive one as he scored
- 31:18one win three seconds, a third, a fifth, and a sixth performances that
- 31:23put him third for the World Drivers Championship that year behind Jim Clark.
- 31:28And Graham Hill.
- 31:29No review of 1965 would be complete without considering the
- 31:34historic accomplishments of a sheep farmer from Fife named Jim Clark.
- 31:39Jim Clark's modesty was only overshadowed by his immense driving talent.
- 31:44His racing career began in 1958 with road rallies and hill climbs
- 31:48eventually leading to Formula two, and then a quick promotion to Formula
- 31:52One partway through the 1960 season.
- 31:55Jim Clark won seven F1 races in 1963 to claim his first world driving title.
- 32:00In addition to finishing second at Indianapolis.
- 32:03At India, 1964, Jim Clark started from the pole but finished 24th.
- 32:09The we, Scott also came parly close to winning another world driving
- 32:14championship that same year.
- 32:16He won the most races in 1964, but struggled with late season engine problems
- 32:21and finished second behind John Certes.
- 32:24It was in 1965 that Jim Clark experienced a season that remains 60 years later.
- 32:31Unmatched Clark not only won the Indy 500, but also his second
- 32:36world driving championship with five consecutive victories.
- 32:40Jim Clark spent the 1965 Formula One.
- 32:42Off season racing against other F1 and regional drivers to win the Tasman series
- 32:48in Australia and New Zealand taking the title with one race to go on the schedule.
- 32:53Clark also won the British and the French Formula Two championships in
- 32:581965, making him the first and so far the only driver to win multiple
- 33:03championships in a single year.
- 33:05To his legendary credit, Jim Clark still holds the Formula One record for
- 33:09the most Grand Slams with eight, his closest competition being Max Tappin and
- 33:15Louis Hamilton who were tied with six.
- 33:18It is highly unlikely we will ever see another driver who exceeds the success
- 33:22that Jim Clark experienced in 1965.
- 33:25Now a conceptual foundation that lies beneath the historically significant
- 33:29events of 1965 can help us understand the many levels of meaning we commonly
- 33:34apply to such narratives from our past as Aca o Mossoff, and Steele
- 33:41suggest in their 2016 article in the Academy of Management Review.
- 33:47Quote, societal logic serve as the organizing principles for
- 33:51distinct domains of social activity.
- 33:55The authors theorize that there are at least seven societal logics, including
- 34:00the family, religion, the state, the market professions, community.
- 34:05And the corporation.
- 34:06Now, they continued to explain their idea, and it's one that's actually
- 34:10rooted in organizational studies.
- 34:12They said, and this is a quote, collective memory making is not just a cognitive
- 34:17process, but a social one generated through communication and dynamic patterns
- 34:23of interaction and stored in material artifacts and collective consciousness.
- 34:28Each of these societal logics related to motor sports and space
- 34:33exploration, especially with regard to the events of 1965.
- 34:38That year highlighted our shared understanding of family via the Petties,
- 34:42the woods, and the summers, while showcasing the almost religious nature
- 34:47of an event like the Indianapolis 500.
- 34:49The man space program in 1965 identified the state as in the United States through
- 34:54our acknowledgement of professions like astronauts and engineers as managed by
- 34:59the corporation as in like, say nasa.
- 35:02For every player in the market, whether it be Ford or Firestone or
- 35:05Goodyear, there is a community of fans, competitors that supports their cause.
- 35:11What makes this history relevant to historians is the fact that
- 35:14societal logics are established through collective memory.
- 35:18Collective memory creates resources we use to better understand and navigate societal
- 35:24logics, which in turn, shape cultural identity and institutional legitimacy.
- 35:30Through the lens of collective memory, 1965 emerges not just as a
- 35:35year of remarkable accomplishments, but as a moment when Americans
- 35:39organized their understanding of technology, identity and ambition.
- 35:44The stories that endure from Ed White.
- 35:46Floating Above the earth to Jim Clark dominating Indianapolis
- 35:51to the summers brothers.
- 35:53Engineering Marvels at Bonneville reflect the interplay of societal
- 35:57logics that shape our shared narratives.
- 36:01What we remember of 1965 reveals how technological power becomes cultural
- 36:06power, rockets, engines, chassis, and speed records gain, meaning only
- 36:11when filtered through the stories we tell and retell stories that craft
- 36:16identities, legitimize institutions, and shape our understanding of history.
- 36:21Over time, these events have been distilled not simply into facts, but into
- 36:27symbols that express national purpose, corporate competition, and human ambition.
- 36:32I was only an infant in 1965, unaware of the significance unfolding around me.
- 36:38Yet the records, the recollections, and the narratives passed down through
- 36:42family, community, and institutions have shaped my understanding of that year.
- 36:47History gains meaning because we give it and ourselves, meaning the human
- 36:53experience, whether on a racetrack in orbit, or in everyday life, becomes
- 36:58more powerful when it is shared.
- 37:01And with that, I thank you for your time and your attention.
- 37:11That was terrific.
- 37:12Mark questions?
- 37:13I think Eric has a question.
- 37:14Alright, mark.
- 37:15Ben writes, this is a fascinating talk.
- 37:18You mentioned the collective memories influence on how
- 37:20we recall the 1965 Indy 500.
- 37:23Do you think there's similar influence on our memory of the space race?
- 37:27It's such a great story of triumph over adversity.
- 37:29I wonder how much is clouded by our desire for everything to fit into that narrative?
- 37:34That's a great question because that's something that I'm
- 37:36wrestling with in this manuscript.
- 37:38When the space race started.
- 37:40We, pardon my language, sucked.
- 37:42The United States couldn't do anything right.
- 37:44The Soviets put Sputnik into space, into orbit.
- 37:47We tried to counter with putting our own satellites in space.
- 37:50Most of them blew up on the launchpad to the point where the national media started
- 37:55to wonder if maybe we were doing the wrong thing in the wrong sort of prioritization
- 37:59that we should be thinking about.
- 38:01Other ways to put our technology because we just couldn't get a satellite in orbit.
- 38:05It took a couple years.
- 38:06We missed out on the first man in space.
- 38:08Gagarin went up first.
- 38:10He went up and orbited went up for 108 minutes and orbited the earth.
- 38:14We scrambled.
- 38:15About three weeks later, Alan Shepherd went up and his time in space.
- 38:20Was five minutes.
- 38:21If you remember Shepherd's flight.
- 38:22It was a suborbital hop.
- 38:24He went up and then came down.
- 38:26The whole flight lasted 15 minutes from lift off to splash down.
- 38:29It's a swing and a miss.
- 38:30The Russians are still ahead.
- 38:31Second flight, Gus Grissom, same thing up down in his case.
- 38:36The hatch blows off the spacecraft while it's in the ocean.
- 38:39Fills with water, spacecraft sinks.
- 38:42He gets accused of making a mistake and it's a whole big kerfluffle.
- 38:46Again, swinging a Ms. John Glenn goes up, okay, we're gonna orbit the earth.
- 38:49John Glenn goes up, gets the go ahead for seven orbits on orbit.
- 38:53Number two, there's a problem with, they think the heat shield, meaning that
- 38:57they're gonna have to stop the mission quickly instead of doing seven orbits.
- 39:01They've got what they think is a defective spacecraft, they cut it
- 39:04down to three and they bring 'em back.
- 39:06So right off the bat, I mean, we were struggling and it seemed like everything
- 39:10we did, the Russians could do a little, is that whole thing, you know, whatever
- 39:13I could do, you could do better.
- 39:14It was really the space race was not really going our way at first.
- 39:19But that said, we immortalized Alan Shepherd.
- 39:22We immortalized John Glenn.
- 39:24I didn't talk about 1966.
- 39:26That's a whole nother speech, but in 1966, Neil Armstrong and Dave
- 39:30Scott on Gemini eight Dock with one of those Gina Target vehicles.
- 39:35They dock as soon as they get there.
- 39:37It's about half hour after they're docked one of the thrusters
- 39:40on the Gemini spacecraft.
- 39:41It's a steering rocket, activates short circuits and puts the thing
- 39:46into a spin to the point where they almost lose consciousness.
- 39:49It's only after they get rid of the Gina.
- 39:51Well, that actually makes it worse.
- 39:53They get rid of the Gina and the Gemini spun even faster, and they had to cut
- 39:57that mission short because otherwise they would've passed out and probably died.
- 40:01So right off the bat, we are compartmentalizing a lot of these
- 40:05events and making them collective memory and making them significant history.
- 40:10When if you match what we did versus what the Soviets did, we weren't
- 40:14that great, but we got better.
- 40:16And finally we won the space race, Gemini seven.
- 40:19That puts us ahead, you know, we could do things that nobody else could do.
- 40:23And then in December of 68, Apollo eight goes around the moon, orbits the moon,
- 40:27and that's the end of the space race.
- 40:29We got to the moon first.
- 40:30We didn't land first, but it was a matter of semantics.
- 40:33Who could get there first?
- 40:35And actually the Russians were in the process of sending a
- 40:38cosmonaut to the moon to orbit.
- 40:40So NASA hurried up and scrambled and said, okay, we're gonna change
- 40:44the whole flight routine here.
- 40:46We're gonna move this flight up, move this crew back.
- 40:48Apollo eight went with an untested Saturn five rocket.
- 40:52No human had ever ridden on a Saturn five rocket, the biggest,
- 40:55most powerful vehicle ever built.
- 40:58But Frank Borman, Jim Lovell and Bill Anders got on top of the thing and.
- 41:03Went into space because they had to do it.
- 41:06We had to beat the Soviet Union.
- 41:07So I hope that answers Ben's question.
- 41:10It's a whole nother tangent there.
- 41:11Sorry.
- 41:12Hey, mark.
- 41:12Yes, mark A. Okay there.
- 41:14You're over there.
- 41:14Good to see you.
- 41:15So I think actually my question is maybe even a development on that.
- 41:18So in talking about the societal logics, these collective memories that play
- 41:23together, I'm sort of a historian.
- 41:25I work at a museum.
- 41:26I interpret objects.
- 41:27I interpret material culture from history, and yes, I can observe the.
- 41:31Collective memory and societal logics and just put the objects
- 41:35in a place that people understand because hey, it plays into the
- 41:38story you already have as a culture.
- 41:39But actually, how much of my job is bursting that bubble?
- 41:43So for example, most people come in, look at our GT forties
- 41:46and think Ford versus Ferrari.
- 41:47How much is my job talking about Roy?
- 41:50And Don Frey, how much of it is actually saying it's not
- 41:53just one guy in a cowboy hat.
- 41:55It was a huge organization, the equivalent of billions dollars today.
- 41:59That's a great point.
- 42:00You know, one thing that doesn't play into this is popular culture and that
- 42:04adds a whole new wrinkle to it because so much of our collective memory
- 42:08is shaped by not historical fact.
- 42:10You know, we kind of know history a little bit, but we know movies.
- 42:14TV shows books, and that's what we often use as sort of the guidepost for artifacts
- 42:21and personalities and things like.
- 42:23Yeah, I mean, Ford versus Ferrari totally changed our narrative of the GT
- 42:2940 program because it was a hit movie.
- 42:31And it was, it was a fun movie.
- 42:33People went to see it.
- 42:34I remember when the movie came out, the first weekend it came
- 42:37out, I came back to my office.
- 42:39People started coming to my office to say, Hey, did you see forward versus Ferrari?
- 42:43You must have seen Ford versus Ferrari.
- 42:45I saw Ford versus Ferrari.
- 42:46Now tell me all about it.
- 42:48Was that real?
- 42:49You tell me.
- 42:50What did you think was real?
- 42:51What did you get from that?
- 42:52That was real?
- 42:53Because popular culture often takes it upon itself to sort of recreate
- 42:58fact, you know, this idea of based on a true story, all these movies
- 43:02that are based on a true story.
- 43:03Well, how do you define that?
- 43:05Is it a true biographical depiction or is.
- 43:085% based on fact and artifacts work that way.
- 43:12You know, especially cars, race cars are amazing museum exhibits because when you
- 43:18get a race car, as anyone in this room could attest, what car are you getting?
- 43:22Race cars are in constant states of change.
- 43:24So when somebody comes up and says.
- 43:26Here's a car that won such and such an event on this day.
- 43:30It's like, what's the provenance on that?
- 43:32If I'm the archivist or the historian who's gonna bring
- 43:35that car into a collection?
- 43:36I wanna know, are those the same shocks?
- 43:39Are they the same brakes?
- 43:40Are they the same tires?
- 43:41What has happened to that car from that victory?
- 43:44To this point when it's being donated, you know, and I think
- 43:47NASCAR kind of got the jump on that.
- 43:48The whole Daytona USA thing, you know, the car wins the Daytona 500.
- 43:52It's immediately impounded, even with the confetti and all the stuff on it.
- 43:56The next morning it goes into Daytona USA, and it stays there
- 44:00for a year, and it's what you run is what you brung to the museum.
- 44:03So in that case, there's a sense of authenticity.
- 44:06And that's kind of like real history.
- 44:08So much of this other stuff, we just play fast and loose with it and we make
- 44:12it what we want it to be, and that's what a lot of these societal logics do.
- 44:15We can kind of compartmentalize and subdivide what we know and
- 44:19what we experience into these neat packages that we can then share.
- 44:23They help us understand these complex events.
- 44:26They also help us understand ourselves and where we fit in.
- 44:30This may be a topic for another discussion, but uh, I was just thinking
- 44:34about the amazing influence that the Space Age had on automotive styling and even.
- 44:40Industrial products like toasters and things.
- 44:43Yeah.
- 44:43I mean, if the whole Fins concept, as soon as the jet age rolls around, you start
- 44:47seeing that sort of absorbed by the auto industry and you start to see concept cars
- 44:52that look more and more like aircraft and the, yeah, the space age was the same way.
- 44:57Anybody drink Tang?
- 44:58When they were a kid, you know, there's like no history at all that
- 45:01astronauts drank Tang, but that's how they marketed that for years it was,
- 45:06this is the drink of the astronauts.
- 45:07The astronauts who did drink it just as like a sample kind
- 45:10of thing, didn't like it.
- 45:11They didn't want to take it on missions, but.
- 45:13General Mills or whoever it was, that's the way they sold it.
- 45:16Astronaut ice cream.
- 45:17Go to a museum and see, you'll see freeze dried ice cream.
- 45:20That's what the astronauts eat on the Space Station.
- 45:22No, it's not.
- 45:23There's no such thing on the Space Station.
- 45:25Even though what the space station's involved with Gemini seven and
- 45:29Gemini six, what happened when those spacecraft were able to fly in
- 45:34formation for that length of time?
- 45:36That's what led to.
- 45:37The International Space Station, we could not have an international Space
- 45:40station if it weren't for the ability for two vehicles at that speed, at that
- 45:44altitude to come together and do stuff.
- 45:47And so we forget that.
- 45:49My quick question is about the uh, Lotus at one in 65.
- 45:53I'm so used to seeing it appear at events in the UK year after year, after year.
- 45:59I was surprised to see it listed as resident at the Henry Ford Museum.
- 46:03You know, the, the Henry Ford has that whole big section that's
- 46:06devoted to racing and that's where the car actually has been kept.
- 46:10But that raises a good question.
- 46:12What's the car that's going around Europe?
- 46:14What's the car that they've got?
- 46:15That's my, yeah.
- 46:15What's the car that they're taking to Goodwood and places like that
- 46:18and saying, here, here's Jim Clark's, you know, Lotus 38.
- 46:21Really?
- 46:22Prove it, you know, is that the one, and I dunno if you noticed too, in
- 46:25the car in the background, that was the Wood Brothers car from this year
- 46:29in honor of Jim Clark's Indie win.
- 46:31They took their stock car for this year for one of the races for, uh, Darlington,
- 46:36and they painted it to look like.
- 46:37The Lotus and they put the number just the way it was.
- 46:40And so it even said on the side it said, you know, wood Brothers powered by Ford.
- 46:45You know, it had all the same kind of nomenclature and
- 46:47it was a slick looking car.
- 46:48They should have run it more than just at Darlington, but that's on
- 46:51display with Jim Clark's car as kind of a, this was then here's now.
- 46:56And interestingly enough, it's the wood brothers, it's their car mark.
- 46:59That was terrific as always.
- 47:00Thanks everybody for the questions.
- 47:02Um, thank you.
- 47:03Thank you very much.
- 47:13This episode is brought to you in part by the International
- 47:16Motor Racing Research Center.
- 47:19Its charter is to collect, share, and preserve the history of motor sports.
- 47:24Spanning Continents, eras, and race series.
- 47:28The Center's collection embodies the speed, drama and camaraderie
- 47:33of amateur and professional motor racing throughout the world.
- 47:37The center welcomes serious researchers and casual fans alike.
- 47:41To share stories of race drivers race series, and race cars captured on
- 47:47their shelves and walls, and brought to life through a regular calendar of
- 47:51public lectures and special events.
- 47:54To learn more about the center, visit www.racing archives.org.
- 48:01This episode is also brought to you by the Society of Automotive Historians.
- 48:07They encourage research into any aspect of automotive history.
- 48:11The SAH actively supports the compilation and preservation of papers, organizational
- 48:17records, print ephemera, and images to safeguard, as well as to broaden and
- 48:23deepen the understanding of motorized wheeled land transportation through
- 48:28the modern age and into the future.
- 48:31For more information about the SAH, visit www.auto history.org.
- 48:40We hope you enjoyed another awesome episode of Break Fix Podcasts, brought
- 48:45to you by Grand Tour Motorsports.
- 48:47If you'd like to be a guest on the show or get involved, be sure
- 48:49to follow us on all social media platforms at Grand Touring Motorsports.
- 48:54And if you'd like to learn more about the content of this episode,
- 48:57be sure to check out the follow on article@gtmotorsports.org.
- 49:02We remain a commercial free and no annual fees organization through
- 49:06our sponsors, but also through the generous support of our fans,
- 49:10families, and friends through Patreon.
- 49:13For as little as $2 and 50 cents a month, you can get access to more behind the
- 49:17scenes action, additional pit stop, mini SOS and other VIP goodies, as
- 49:22well as keeping our team of creators.
- 49:24Fed on their strict diet of fig Newton's, Gumby bears, and monster.
- 49:28So consider signing up for Patreon today at www.patreon.com/gt motorsports.
- 49:35And remember, without you, none of this would be possible.