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The Colosseum · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's
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  Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you
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  Speaker 2: should know as always.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks ever, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: I think we just broke our record for earliest edit
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  Speaker 2: and that came quick.
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  Speaker 1: You cleared your throat, and we for some reason are
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  Speaker 1: cutting it out because it's not good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well I want to hear that, do they?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe weird and you're fifteen. We've established
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  Speaker 1: our unprofessional qualities.
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  Speaker 2: True, it is true. Speaking of unprofessional qualities, you know
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  Speaker 2: who is terrible? Some of these emperors.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice segue. Have you ever been to the coliseum?
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  Speaker 1: You have right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Did you go into it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go into it. I walked around it. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, this was my big European jaunt was when
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  Speaker 1: I was broke and backpacking. So like my friend and
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  Speaker 1: I did the best we could we but we did
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  Speaker 1: walk outside of a lot of structures that many other
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  Speaker 1: people pay to get into.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't have money for a pottery shard.
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  Speaker 1: No, we had no do to get in these places.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just a wonder to walk around, and I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I love about Rome is just seeing Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: seeing stuff that old is just really humbling and cool.
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  Speaker 2: Rome is one of the very few cities that I've
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  Speaker 2: visited and been like, I could totally live here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a knee town for sure. And part of
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  Speaker 2: it is because you just be walking along and all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden the wall is suddenly three thousand years old.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's just like that kind of place, like
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  Speaker 2: everything's just kind of built up on top of everything else,
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  Speaker 2: but stuff has been preserved or accidentally exposed. It's just
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  Speaker 2: a really neat tone. I loved it for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And boy, just how good looking is everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Those Italians they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: When they were oh man, I was like, ooh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in love with her and her and I might be
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  Speaker 1: gay look at that guy they are.
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  Speaker 2: They are a good looking bunch for sure.
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  Speaker 1: All of them are just so attractive, Like the in
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  Speaker 1: on a Friday night at the Spanish Steps. It's just like,
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  Speaker 1: how many good looking, dark haired people can you get
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  Speaker 1: together in one spot?
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  Speaker 2: Chuck. I think like our our most dedicated listeners know
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  Speaker 2: that you're just buttering up the Italians because you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be busting out some Italian accents. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: them to be mad at you, or I should say,
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  Speaker 2: all oiling them up.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice. That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was nice or good, but
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate the kudos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're talking Colisseum and it's interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: how like and you might have gotten all this stuff
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  Speaker 1: from the tour, but I was just kind of knocked
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  Speaker 1: out in this article Lvia put together of how how
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  Speaker 1: sort of modern like modern stadium going experience.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like, yeah, and actually there's there was one
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  Speaker 2: fact that stood out to me. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: they've got current stadiums beat oh boy, Supposedly the packed
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  Speaker 2: cheek to jowl you could fit eighty seven thousand people
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  Speaker 2: in there and the whole place could be emptied or
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  Speaker 2: filled within fifteen minutes because the circulation was that beautifully engineered.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a slightly dubious claim.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, I bet it's seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I bet it was quick and like nothing like
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  Speaker 1: it is today and.
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  Speaker 2: Eighteen and I'm not going any higher than that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and back then, you would you know, you would
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  Speaker 1: just walk back to your place or take a mule
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  Speaker 1: or something like, you know, post traffic experiences near American
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  Speaker 1: stadiums or the stuff of the legend.
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  Speaker 2: It's awful, yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But parking decks the worst thing ever invented.
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  Speaker 2: They're pretty bad. They're awful, Yes, it's true. And do
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  Speaker 2: you know it's going to get a lot worse. They're
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  Speaker 2: developing that whole area that like kind of no man's lane.
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  Speaker 2: It's like old tring tracks and abandoned stuff in between
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  Speaker 2: State Farm Arena and Mercedes Benz Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, the gulch.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they're they're they're developing that. So it's just gonna
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  Speaker 2: get a million times worse down there. They should just
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  Speaker 2: set up helicopter service and drop people in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think what they're doing is trying to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: don't jump in your car, just go hang out at
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  Speaker 1: a bar restaurant, like there's gonna be stuff to do there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's not right now.
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  Speaker 1: No, there's not much, not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: There's some cool hotels down there, but they're kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Time coming around a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. So, but we're not talking about downtown
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  Speaker 2: Lan and everybody who to your horses. We're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the coliseum. Like you said, that was just kind of
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  Speaker 2: one fact, and I'm calling it a back chuck your
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  Speaker 2: your Yeah, I guess you're poop puing in a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: which is fine. We can agree to disagree on that,
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  Speaker 2: and I think you're probably right. But still it is.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of underscores how everybody in history has looked
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  Speaker 2: back at the call is just this marvel of engineering
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  Speaker 2: and a design and architecture. It was built in like
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  Speaker 2: eight years, astoundingly enough, and it's survived earthquakes and all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of terrible catastrophes, and it's still standing in a
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  Speaker 2: lot pretty good shape considering how old it is two
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  Speaker 2: thousand years. But what I didn't know when I was there,
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  Speaker 2: I knew, but it didn't really sink in. It is
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  Speaker 2: one of the most despicable places ever built in the
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  Speaker 2: history of Western civilization.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, we're going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that went on there. It's you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like the history of the Globe Theater or anything like that,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was much bloodier. Because everyone knows well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: the gladiators fought at the Colisseum I've seen that Russell
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  Speaker 2: Crowe movie. True, but it was much much worse than
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  Speaker 2: even that, and that was pretty bad. But like you said,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get into it. Let's talk about the actual Colosseum
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  Speaker 2: and where it came from first, how about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, there's a long history of theaters
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  Speaker 1: period in the world. The Colisseum certainly was not the first,
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  Speaker 1: but it was one of the first, you know, built
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  Speaker 1: in stone concrete amphitheaters. And if you're confused, like I was,
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  Speaker 1: the term amphitheater these days can can just mean a
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  Speaker 1: you know, a big concert venue. It doesn't necessarily mean
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  Speaker 1: it is just a round thing, right, because most things
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  Speaker 1: called an amphitheater day are the kind that were not
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  Speaker 1: like they wouldn't have used that term back then because
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  Speaker 1: they weren't fully encircled. It's like it's a theater like
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  Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl or something. You've got a stage and
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  Speaker 1: then the seats are sort of built in a big
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  Speaker 1: hill in a semicircle like those are called amphitheaters now,
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  Speaker 1: but technically amphi means around, and so it was these
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  Speaker 1: were the first theaters to be built all the way
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  Speaker 1: around whatever performance was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally and like today's amphitheaters are much more like
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  Speaker 2: the old theaters, which are exactly what you described as.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you go to amphitheater, you can understand what
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  Speaker 2: a theater was in Greece and ancient Rome, and back
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  Speaker 2: in the day, the Roman Senate decided that having these
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  Speaker 2: venues permanent as permanent structures was decadent, so there was
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  Speaker 2: a ban on building permanent theaters and amphitheaters. But that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that the ones that they built that were
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  Speaker 2: temporary weren't incredibly elaborate. Sure, our good friend Pliny mentions
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  Speaker 2: one wooden temporary theater in Rome. I believe that had
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  Speaker 2: three stories of columns, three thousand bronze statues, and they
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  Speaker 2: gave out free bobbleheads of nero when you came in.
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  Speaker 1: What's up with planning all over the place the past
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  Speaker 1: few years?
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  Speaker 2: Like, if you're a historian took especially of that era,
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  Speaker 2: you are so happy that that man lived because he
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  Speaker 2: sat down and said, you know what, I'm gonna write
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  Speaker 2: all this down for I'm sure people who come later
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  Speaker 2: are going to want to know what we were doing
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  Speaker 2: at this time. And sure, no because of planting.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we've just done more topics. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like we went I mean, he's the new fighter flight
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  Speaker 1: for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is totally So, like.
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  Speaker 1: We said, there were stone amphitheaters. The first one ever,
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  Speaker 1: I believe was in Pompeii, the very awesome and famous
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  Speaker 1: Pink Floyd Liva Pompei concert was full near so kind
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  Speaker 1: of nobody, which is a very cool, strange thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: And then finally get we get Nero as emperor, and
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  Speaker 1: he was around during the Great Fire of sixty four
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  Speaker 1: where a lot of the wooden stuff obviously went away,
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  Speaker 1: including wooden amphitheaters in Rome, and Nero was able to say, like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'm going to rebuild a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff and put my stamp on Rome, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: not He didn't get around to building an amphitheater before
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  Speaker 1: he went.
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  Speaker 2: Away, No he didn't. And it was a big deal
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  Speaker 2: that the amphitheater in Rome, the temporary one, was burned
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  Speaker 2: down because already gladiator battles had been firmly established in
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  Speaker 2: the popular culture. So all of a sudden you had
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  Speaker 2: like people who couldn't go to like, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: local blood sport event, and like vent all of their
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  Speaker 2: frustrations and not you know, stage an uprising against you
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  Speaker 2: as the emperor. So it's something you would want to have.
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  Speaker 2: But because of that fire, a lot of people still
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  Speaker 2: to this day blamed Nero for starting the fire because
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  Speaker 2: he rebuilt such opulent monuments to himself on the rubble
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  Speaker 2: of Rome. Anyway, he eventually was toppled by a coup.
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  Speaker 2: He died by suicide, and that left open a power
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  Speaker 2: vacuum that was filled within one year. I think Rome
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  Speaker 2: had something like three different no, four different emperors because
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  Speaker 2: a little civil war started, and the guy who emerged
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  Speaker 2: successfully was the first emperor of the Flavian dynasty, Vespasian.
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  Speaker 1: Vespasian very nice, yeah, he and you know, he took
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  Speaker 1: a look around. He had a couple of kids, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of sons, notably Titus and I guess Domaitian I think,
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  Speaker 1: so okay, and he got them established as successor. So
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  Speaker 1: he was pretty firmly rooted at this point. And he
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, Nero came in and tried to, well,
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  Speaker 1: not try to very successfully, built a lot of monuments
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  Speaker 1: to himself, kind of put his own stamp on Rome.
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  Speaker 1: Like Chuck will mention earlier, in the podcast many years
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  Speaker 1: from now, and I want to put my stamp on
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  Speaker 1: this thing, and so I'm going to build my own
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  Speaker 1: sort of huge colossus theater. He didn't say that because
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about where the name came from in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But his son had been out, you know, active as
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  Speaker 1: a military leader. I believe it was Titus. Yeah, for
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  Speaker 1: the siege of Jerusalem. Came back with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: war spoils, and so basically, you know, I've got all
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  Speaker 1: this money now besides raising taxes and claiming public land
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  Speaker 1: and doing you know, basically whatever Vespasian wanted as far
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  Speaker 1: as building infrastructure and probably monuments to himself. Sure, he said,
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  Speaker 1: now I've got these war spoils, so I can build
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  Speaker 1: like a proper concrete, permanent stone amphitheater.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one in Rome. And Vespasian was already
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  Speaker 2: pretty beloved. He was a really popular general, successful general.
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  Speaker 2: He was popular with the Senate. So when he became emperor,
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  Speaker 2: everybody was like, okay, this is cool. But he really
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  Speaker 2: won everybody over because Nero had been taking all of
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  Speaker 2: Rome's money and spending it on monuments to himself and
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  Speaker 2: like this enormous multi acre I think like one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty acre house called the Golden House, and Vespasian
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  Speaker 2: did the opposite. Yeah, he built some monuments to himself,
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  Speaker 2: but he also built a lot of public monuments. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what the Colosseum was. It was a gift to
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  Speaker 2: the citizens of Rome. Like remember that kreuddy wooden temporary theater.
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  Speaker 2: Remember how the Senate banned temporary theaters. Here is your
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  Speaker 2: first state of the art, permanent amphitheater that you are
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  Speaker 2: going to watch so many people murdered and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to just knock your socks.
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  Speaker 1: Off, that's right. Had a very crass joke that I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to keep to myself, okay, because this is a
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  Speaker 1: family show, but tell me later. I'll tell you later,
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  Speaker 1: all right. And he was so sort of take this
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  Speaker 1: anarro that he built the Colosseum on the site where
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  Speaker 1: that estate was where Nero lived domus Aria.
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  Speaker 2: That's the Golden House, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: That was the land on which the Golden House sat,
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  Speaker 1: and the lake that was built there. There was this
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  Speaker 1: artificial pond, so like I'm going to fill that up
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  Speaker 1: even and really just sort of eraise in Neuro's legacy
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  Speaker 1: as much as possible and can you tell him where
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  Speaker 1: the name Colosseum may have come from.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently there was like a hundred something foot tall nude
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  Speaker 2: statue of Nero and rather than it was bronze, and
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  Speaker 2: rather than melted down and reuse it, they put it
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  Speaker 2: up and they propped it up in front of the Colosseum.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the Amphitheater that had the colossus of
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  Speaker 2: Nero or the Colosseum. It's like museum but with coloss.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But they didn't pronounce it colossium.
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  Speaker 2: No, they called it like the Amphitheater.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one said colisseum until later. No one's ever
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  Speaker 1: said colossum except for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have never really threw me off before we
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  Speaker 2: started recording.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I say we take a break, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: then we come back and talk about the building itself.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back. We're talking coliseum, big theater, stadium,
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  Speaker 1: outdoor arena, whatever you want to call it. Amphitheater in
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  Speaker 1: ancient Rome. If you're talking about the building itself, it
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  Speaker 1: is six one hundred and twenty by five hundred and
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  Speaker 1: thirteen feet one hundred and fifty seven feet tall, which
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  Speaker 1: about fifteen stories. Obviously, we mentioned it was made of
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  Speaker 1: mostly concrete, but that's, you know, sort of the structure.
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  Speaker 1: There was also about three and a half a million
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  Speaker 1: cubic feet of stuff like wood, of course, travertine, marble, stone.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why you mentioned the coliseum is still
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  Speaker 1: largely standing through earthquakes and such two thousand plus years
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  Speaker 1: later is because this thing was built on wetlands. So
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  Speaker 1: they had to go very very deep with this concrete
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  Speaker 1: with their foundation, and that's what you get two thousand
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  Speaker 1: years later, it's still going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a historian of ancient Rome named Garrett Ryan
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  Speaker 2: has got a blog called Told in Stone, and he
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  Speaker 2: said that they built facing walls ten feet thick on
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  Speaker 2: each side that supported a ring of concrete foundation that
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  Speaker 2: they poured one hundred feet wide and forty feet deep.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the Colisseum is built on them.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what the ancient recipe for concrete was.
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  Speaker 2: Funny enough, I kind of looked that up because Roman
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  Speaker 2: concrete is very famous because it's still standing in modern
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  Speaker 2: concrete can crumble in a matter of decades, right, So
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  Speaker 2: the Romans kind of had us beat. And they figured
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  Speaker 2: out that it was because they mixed quicklimb in at
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  Speaker 2: really high temperatures, and it created this chemical reaction that
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  Speaker 2: was still kind of buzzing after the stuff was poured,
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  Speaker 2: so that it would cure much more quickly and solidly.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they think it was.
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  Speaker 1: So just the heat they heated up that quick crete.
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  Speaker 2: The heat, my god, the heat.
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  Speaker 1: If you love columns, you would be delighted with the
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  Speaker 1: Colisseum because there's a lot of columns and they go
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  Speaker 1: in order from lowly to I guess the most revered,
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  Speaker 1: as they start with a Doric style at the bottom,
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  Speaker 1: move on up to the ionic on the second level,
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  Speaker 1: and then finally, of course you get to the very
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  Speaker 1: fancy Corinthian columns on the top. And they even had
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  Speaker 1: a little, not a little, a pretty sizable retractable awningeah
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  Speaker 1: that went all the way around it. And if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever been to the Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, it
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  Speaker 1: sort of is like that, where there's a circle in
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  Speaker 1: the ceiling in Atlanta, of course that opens in huts
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  Speaker 1: like a camera shutter wood or I guess an old
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  Speaker 1: film camera shutter wood. So in Atlanta it has a
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  Speaker 1: circle around above like to where the field could possibly
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  Speaker 1: get rained on. Of course, they don't open it when
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  Speaker 1: it's going to rain, sure, but all the humans are covered.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the same deal as there was a
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  Speaker 1: circle in the center that always stayed open because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have retractable roofs, but they did have a
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  Speaker 1: retractable partial awning to keep everyone else dry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the so the building was huge. The
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  Speaker 2: actual like floor, the ground that the action took place
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  Speaker 2: on the arena floor, it was an oval shape of
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  Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy two by one hundred and fifty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Feet the sandbox.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was covered insand because they would soak up
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  Speaker 2: like blood and they needed it because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: blood was spilled there. And like I said, it took
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  Speaker 2: eight years to build, and apparently it was finally dedicated
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  Speaker 2: under Emperor Titus Vespasian son under his watch, and he
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  Speaker 2: was actually a pretty short lived emperor, although much beloved.
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  Speaker 2: And his little brother Domitian. Yeah, when he became emperor,
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  Speaker 2: he excavated that arena floor about ten twenty feet down. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: built the hypogium, which means basement or below ground. And
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  Speaker 2: it was here where suddenly this thing became like this
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  Speaker 2: magical marvel of special effects and technical wizardry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. This is where like you could really kick
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  Speaker 1: it up a notch when you could have six hundred
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  Speaker 1: dudes and a lot of you know, most of these
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: were slaves obviously, but they're down there all of a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: sudden with pulleys and ramps and trap doors and fully
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: operated elevators, and you could do all kinds of crazy
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: magical things down there. At the least, you've got a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: holding area for animals and gladiators and people, and you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: it was sort of like you would think of any
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: sort of backstage area of like a circus or something,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: except it was underground.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I think that they portrayed it in Gladiator, if I'm
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: not mistaken, but they would have. Like there's a production
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: company that build a replica of this for a PBS
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: documentary a few years back and actually donated it to Italy,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: so it's on display it in the coliseum. But they
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: showed how like you would put an animal in a cage,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: used some police to bring it up, and as it
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: was coming up toward the floor of the arena, a
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: trap door would open, and then all of a sudden,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: there's just a lion sitting there that wasn't there before,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So I mean imagine watching like a man fight a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: lion to begin with. Before it was like here comes
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the lion walk in, and here comes the man walking in. Pohum.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Now it's like a lion magically appears and starts fighting
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with the guy. This was like the kind of stuff
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that they were throwing at the citizens of Rome at
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the time, and from what I can tell, almost all
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of the citizens of Rome were eating it up. There
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: were some people who are like, this is an awful
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: barbaric place at the time, but most citizens of Rome
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: were super into it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: You know when I saw bon Jobi in concert, well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I saw them a couple of times, both by accident.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: They opened up for thirty eight Special when I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like in the eighth grade, when they were a very
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: small band.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Wake up like after having been drugged in like a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: bon Jovi concert.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: No. The second time was my senior year in high school.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Sort of a long story, but there was somebody at
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: our school that couldn't find anyone to go with them,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: so I went with them. But bon Jovi in that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: second one, you know, when they were the headliner at
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, there's like, you know, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: band is kind of coming out and they start off
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: their song and I'm like, where's John, Where's John? And
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: boom smoke. A smoke blast happens on stage and the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: smoke clears and bon Jovi is just standing there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So being bon Jovi exactly.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: He had a horizontal trap door that would instead of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: falling through it, it would shoot him up Nate in an instant,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and I was, even though it's not like I was
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: dying to go to that show, I was. I was
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: pretty knocked out.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta say, for sure, buddy, you better stand exactly
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: where they tell you to stand on that kind of
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: trapdoor play.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I think, so you don't want to. It went up
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: with some I think I saw behind this of it
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: one time. Even it went up with some speed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'll thought that was fun.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So one of the things, oh, we didn't mention that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the like, there were plenty of people who were in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that ring, including animals, that would have liked to have
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: gotten out of that ring. So they prevented this by
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: separating the seating area from the arena floor a rather
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: large stone barrier, twelve foot stone barrier with a bronze
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: fence on top of that and then on top of
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that they lined it with elephant tusks, so it do it, yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to get over. But that seating area was like a
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: snapshot of social hierarchy in Rome because they had it
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: very much divided up socially.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this, Like reading this, I was kind of like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it's sort of exactly how it is today. You've got
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: your very very special people are sitting courtside. Yeah, down
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: there on the hardwood floor, but they can yell at
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler or Lebron or whoever. Sure, senators families obviously,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and their guests. They could bring their own folding chairs,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: which is pretty special at the time, I think, sure.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But they also had their box seats, you know a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: little higher up what would we would call like a
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: luxury box today. And this is where you know, usually
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: see the emperor and emperor's guests, just just like you
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: would today any rich or famous person who has a
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: luxury box and their hangers on.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Right, kit you imagine those senators to just like assert
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: their individualism, like bedazzled some of their seats right that
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they brought. Sure, So after that I had not heard
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: of this group. There there was a social stratus stratum yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: in Rome called it equestrians. Yeah, the equestriane order were
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: people who had originally served in the cavalry and then
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: went on to become extraordinarily prosperous and wealthy business people.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So there were merchants, tradesmen, bureaucrats, sometimes artisans. And the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: reason that they were ticking up the slack for the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: business world in Rome, it is because the Senate was
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: forbidden from engaging in business, so didn't want the senators tainted.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: So all of that fell to these equestrians who made
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: up that I guess wealthy class, but not senators or
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the emperor.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're like in the what you would call
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the one hundred level seats, you move up to the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: two hundred level as far as modern arenas go, and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: then you've got your middle class. But within that middle
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: class in the coliseum it was subdivided more than three
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: hundred times for very specific areas, for very specific social groups,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, ambassadors are in this section. If you're
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a soldier on leave, you're over here. If you were
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a member of some sort of guild, in middle class guild,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: then you're sitting over here. And then of course you've
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: got your three hundred level those bleeds. It's always been
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that way. It'll alway these be this way. You have
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the cheap seats, and it's I don't think it's confirmed,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: but most of these were standing room only at the coliseum.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just basing that on the fact that they
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: are so steep and the seats so shallow. It's like
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: this has to be standing room only. Yeah. And there
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: there were times where, especially during events that the emperor
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: put on at the coliseum, where you couldn't leave. So
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: if you're uncomfortable ts you had to stay there and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: watch because the Emperor was putting this on for your benefit.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Who did they ban entirely though? I thought's done this interesting?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they banned grave diggers actors and former gladiators. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just high or low for you know what that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: what the reason was. And grave diggers is pretty obvious
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that you know, plenty of societies around the world in
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: different times have looked upon grave diggers is basically untouchable,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: like societies unwanted but incredibly necessary rights. The way you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: treat incredibly necessary people, that's how grave dig have been treated. Actors.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I saw a stack exchange explanation that said that they
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: were viewed as like lowly and untrustworthy and dangerous even
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: maybe and the former gladiators, I saw that they were
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: worried that they might attack other people out of revenge
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: or something. But the person who gave that answer doubted
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it well after worth with a grain of salt.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the actress in tracks, just because it's been well
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: established that acting as a profession was not something that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: was looked kindly upon or to aspire to for most
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of its history.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Right, but they were considered lowlier than slaves then because
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the slaves were allowed to go sit in the cheap seats,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the actors couldn't even come in. Yeah, it's strange. And
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I know that Rome had a much different view of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: their slaves than the West African slave trade that started
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: by the Portuguese in theeenth seventeenth century. That was I know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's still a lot different, but that's still pretty surprising, right,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of course, I'm with you, So, Chuck, I mentioned that
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you didn't have enough mind to get a pottery shart.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: That wasn't some random weird thing I was saying earlier.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: That's actually what the tickets were. They had a gate,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a section, and a seat number inscribed on a little
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: shard of pottery.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Can you believe that they're I mean, surely you turn
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: these things back in, right, I guess.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But I didn't see any examples of any that had survived.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: But surely there must be a couple left. As many
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: events as were held there.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine they carved, you know, fifty plus thousand
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of these for every single event that they had, But
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe so who knows. It was free to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: get in. That's kind of cool. You didn't have to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: pay any money. But they were not just anyone could
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: get the tickets. They were very much distributed in this
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: sort of the same way the seating was very structured
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in a hierarchical way. The tickets were distributed thusly as well.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And you know that's how you got in. You got
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in with your little ticket. Your little ticket said what
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: gate to go in, just like today, to get you
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in as quickly as possible. And like you said, they've
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: got people out of there, it seems like pretty quickly.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: The only reason I said was dubious because anytime they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: say something like very specific like fifteen minutes, and it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: was two thousand years ago. I'm always like, who was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: timing this back then?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Right, That's why I was going up to eighteen minutes.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I bet it was super speedy.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Though, so one of the other things about it that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: comes into play later. It was equipped with water fountains
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and flushing toilets, so there was running water that could
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: reach the coliseum. Yeah, but then your hat for later, okay.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that also means that during the games there
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: were drunk dudes at urinals barking out their sports opinions.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Essentially, some thing's never change, something's never changed.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So I guess it's finally time we talk about what
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: exactly went on there, right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when it first opened, Titus, do you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: know if if Dad was still around to see it
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: open at least, or was he dead or was he
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just out of power.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think they really curious, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: stepped out of power much before they died, those guys,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the emperors.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But they said, all right, big grand opening. Let's get
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: one hundred straight days of action going every single day
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: for one hundred days. We're gonna have a big show
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and a show at the coliseum. Was kind of an
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: all day thing. You know. After that first hundred days,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: it looks like they basically had stuff during the winter
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and then like special events like to celebrate the emperor
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or for big you know, the birthdays and not you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: just anyan's birthday, but you can rent it out like.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: A Jackie Donald or at the coliseum.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That's funny. But the very first thing that would happen
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was a procession. It was known as a solemn procession,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: had music, sort of religious themes, and then they started
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: killing animals.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that they kind of they kind of
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I guess justified or you know, put some sort of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: veneer of sanctity on this. By this whole thing basically
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: having religious themes throughout, good for them. So, yes, you're
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: gonna make me talk about the animals.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Huh, Well, I mean I said they killed animals.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go into somewhat greater detail. So what they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: would do is they would go procure animals from all
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: corners of the Roman Empire, some Saharan Africa, Asia. They
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: would bring in tigers, lions, bear seriously, if they would
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: bring in elephants, they brought in alligators Rhinocera just anything
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you can think of, any massive exotic animal that's deadly.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: They went and got a bunch of them and brought
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: them back for these events, which we should say took
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: months of planning and a lot of people working on
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: every single one. They were like, you know, half assed
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: one off, you know, to like a band in the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: park kind of thing, like this is a this is
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: like a really huge event, right, Yeah, So I'm really.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Say one hundred days is just like crazy impressive.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, there really is. So they would take these animals
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: and then they would they would convert the arena floor
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: into something like a jungle with potted plants or shrubs
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: or something like that, and then they would bring in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: either animal handlers or hunters venatois or bistiari who would
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: hunt the animals in front of everybody. And it wasn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: like any kind of equal stuff, but the animals did
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: sometimes kill some of the humans, and apparently the the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: spectators just love that kind of thing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean they brought them in from all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: over the world as sort of like a big show
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of hey, look at where we've been, look at how
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: vast we are. We're not just bringing in local The
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: cats of Rome. You know, there's kinds of feral cats
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in Rome, unsatisfying. Could you imagine someone getting killed by
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred feral cats attacking them though? That'd be pretty fun.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can I can see it now.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes they would have the animals fight one another.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: They would match up, you know, a cheetah versus a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: tiger or something like that, sure, or an elephant versus
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: a rhinoceros.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I saw a bear versus python. Really yeah, dude, they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: got really weird and disgusting.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that would even work. You can't go
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to python into fighting, can you?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I saw it written down on the internet chuck. Yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I can't remember where I saw it, but I think
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it was a legit source.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm not saying it didn't happen. But did
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you see the Yell review of the performance. No, Python
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: didn't do much, Bear was disinterested. One star.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder like how many of these animals just
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: didn't fight each other.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure they forced them to do whatever,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure they prodded and goaded them and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you know, injured them and did whatever they had to do. Yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: but they would also just have animal tricks and stuff
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like that, a little more circus like atmosphere at times
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: when they weren't killing them or making them kill each other.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So after this is done, enslave people come out and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: they clean up hundreds and hundreds of dead animals, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I guess rake the sand around to mix the blood
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in and sure the guts and make sure everything was
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: nice and tidy. Sometimes they would butcher the animals and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: give out the meat right there, so you could be
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: out there for a show in the early afternoon and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: get a lion's thigh to keep there in the arena
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the day until you can take
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it home and die of food poisoning.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Right, I thought about that too. That is not a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: great plan.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But they sometimes they would feed them real lunch. They
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: did have vending places, like what do you call them
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: concession stands where you could buy stuff, and it was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it was like a modern state em in a lot
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of ways.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, I mean like it's it's so much so
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: that I was like, oh, okay, is football and all
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like professional sports just all descended from the coliseum And.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: How did you sneak in your weed?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think they had to sneak it in back then.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably so.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: So after that, after they got all the animals cleaned
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: up in the sand raked and all that stuff, it
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: was about noon, and noon was the time for public executions,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: because hoy, they would most people think that gladiator battles
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: were to the death. That was actually infrequent as far
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: as gladiator battles, as we'll see, but they gave them
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: plenty of death of humans with these public executions, and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: they would really go to town creating these elaborate deaths
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like this is a person's death, but they would dress
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: them up like Icarus and pretend they were flying close
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to the sun and set them on fighter like that
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, crucifixions hack you to death with a sword. These
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: reenact reenactments are just like I had never heard of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that before in my life. I mean, it's bad enough
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: to have a public execution, but yeah, then to make
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: someone reenact some big famous like story from history where
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the hero dies or whatever, it's just like, it's pretty
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: unbelievable as far as Christians being fed to the lions go.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That's something that you've heard over and over throughout history.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: That surely happened but it wasn't like every single time
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the Colosseum had a show they would just throw, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: fifteen Christians out in the middle of a bunch of lions.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Persecution of Christians in Rome was happened over the course
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of a long time in a lot of places here
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and there. But it wasn't like that was what was
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: always happening at the coliseum.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Right, But yes they were. They were persecuted and executed
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: for their for their beliefs, like it did happen. One
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that was documented was saying Ignatious of Antioch, and he
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: was martyred in UH one ten and he was mauled
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: by animals, like he was torn to pieces by half
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: starved wild animals that were released on him. And he
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: apparently had asked friends in high places not to intercede
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: on his behalf. And he didn't fight back, by all accounts,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: he just stood there and took it and died. And
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that happened a lot like there was a There was
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of Christian and Jewish persecution in Rome because
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: they didn't conform to the Roman mythological beliefs, right right,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: They're pantheon of gods and so they and they were
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: also in the minority, and people on the margins have
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: always been persecuted. Maybe not fed to the lions, but
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: persecuted at least, and Rome was no different.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I worked in New Jersey at the restaurant
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: many years ago that I worked at, there was a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: bar tender named Pete. And if a football game was
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: on in the bar and you walked by and around, like, hey,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: what's up with the game, he would say, line's ten,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Christian's nothing. That was like his go to line for
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: anybody that asked the score.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I guess two thousand years later, it's not
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: too soon, right Bright.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: He always got to chuckle out of most people, Yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: but probably offended some people. Sure, looking back, I thought
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Pete was so old. It's funny. I was twenty five
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that that Pete was thirty two.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It is, though, it's so old. When you're in your twenties.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Everybody's still old.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody's so old.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Oh have you seen that that new naporghatsy special.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talking about being like forty two, and he
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: thinks he's still young hanging out with the twenties. Something.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Some forty five year ol comes over. He's like beat it,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: old man. There's a couple of young guys hanging out
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: over here. It is good, very good.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: He's but then the punchline of that, you're not gonna
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: do the punchline?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Remember the punch line. I think I was laughing too
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: ardor must not have heard it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: The punch line. He's like, yeah, you and young guys
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: just hanging out over and then he goes something like uh,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and also maybe let's sit down.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: That's right. That was a good punchline. He's good.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: If you're a Nate Barghetti fan. He was on an
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: episode of Movie Crush. We talked about the movie Scream.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good, good pick, so go check it out.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: You're not a Nate Barghesi fan, goes some of that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and go watch his specials.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has blowed up since that Movie Crush appearance.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: He's doing arenas now what Yes, dude, he's doing Phillips
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Arena or State Barn Arena.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: On his next show, it's crazy and it's great.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's going to half a new better guy.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Agreed. Speaking of better guys, maybe we should take a
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: break work on ourselves a little bit.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Work on our segs and then come back better guys.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, it's time to talk about gladiators, gladiators, gladiators.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of misconceptions, and we talked about this
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: in the Spartakuss episode. We talked about chariot racing and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: gladiator gladiators and stuff like that, and that's that's definitely
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: worth going to listen to. If this is if you're like, wow,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: ancient Rome is fascinating, you want to learn more about it,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: go listen to our Spartakuss episode. But there's a lot
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: of misconceptions still, one of which, like I mentioned, is
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that most gladiator battles were fight fights to the death,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and that's just not how it was, in part because
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: of how gladiators were brought into existence. They were usually criminals,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: prisoners of war, not look not not looked highly upon.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: That's another big misconception too, that they were like today's
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: modern mma fighters with all these fans that are like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: crazy for them. Not really accurate. But that's not to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: say that some of them didn't make like household names
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: of themselves and probably did have some fans, but it's
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: just not a really apt analogy. But as I was saying,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the the reason why you didn't want to fight to
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the death is because it took a lot of time
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and effort and investment to train a prisoner of war
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: or a criminal who had been condemned to fight like
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: well and be a gladiator that successful. So those gladiator
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: schools were like, we're gonna regular gladiers. Do not let
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: them fight to the death, We want them back rewind
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: first too.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, they're they're trying to put a good
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: product out there because they're charging well they weren't charging money,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I guess, but it was entertainment. And when they're all dying,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: then you're just you know, what's going to happen is
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's you know, the B team,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: then the C team is out there, right, And so yeah,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: they had a lot of time invested in these guys.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Uh and I say guys because it was one men,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: except for when they occasionally had like, hey, let's bring
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: some women out here to fight as sort of a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: novelty act kind of thing. But the Colosseum opened in
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: ady A, d and they organized this like everything else
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was organized to the team. You know, Colosseum. Wise, these
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: these gladiator battles were organized because they also didn't want
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: to throw in you know, Russell Crowe with you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: with me, because I would get pummeled and die so
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: quickly it wouldn't be any fun for anybody. So yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: they organized them by experience level, by their skill, maybe
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: by how they fought, Like, you don't want a grappler
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: in there with a swordsman, although that could be interesting,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: who knows, but they wanted a swordsman against the swordsman.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And then they had they had four different groups, right, yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: They had well five. They have Murmillos, which were heavily armored.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: They had a full helmet, they had a big old shield,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they had the gladiator sword that you think of, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: then kind of like Murmillo two point zero or Thraxis,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: where they had a smaller shield and a Thracian sword,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the curved sword, but were very similar to Murmillo's.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: That's right. Then you had the and you were going
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to leave this to me Reddiarius nice I guess they
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: had lighter armor. These guys had a net and a trident,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: so there was some sort of a nautical theme going
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: on so they could like throw a net over someone
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and tried it in them in the chest. Then you
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: had the chariot battlers, the chariot fighters, they were the Esidarius,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and then finally, what do we have the Hoppolo Maccus.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Nice job.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I think these are the ones that you think of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: when you when you think of a gladiator. They had
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a helmet that had a plume on it. They had
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a spear, they had a short sword, they had a
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: small round shield. I think they had like the shoulder armor. Okay,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that's what Russell Crow would have been a gladiator.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen I saw that once back then. I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it since then.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I think I've seen it twice, but it's been a
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: while for sure. Yeah. I think it was on TNT
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: once when I was watching TNT.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think I thought it was pretty good back then.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: But they would so like you said, they would, they
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: sometimes they would they'd put a Hoppolo Maccus against a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Ruddiarius or something like that, just to see what happened
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: with one guy with a net and another guy with
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a spear, you know, So they would have them fight
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: like that. But like you were saying, they they did
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: line them up according to skill level. And one thing
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that bears mentioning so that the events of the coliseum
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: were free, but the gladiator school still charged whoever was
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: on the event or sponsoring the event for renting the gladiators.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how did the money work if they weren't making
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: any money? Did the state just fund it all?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Yes? Either so, holding an event at the coliseum free
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to everybody who could get a ticket fifty thousand people
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: was a really good way of showing everybody how incredibly
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: wealthy you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Were, right or because he collected so many taxes.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Pretty much, or if you were the emperor himself. It
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: was a way of it was like a gift to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the citizen. Why it's a way to keep them like
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: kind of sedated in line like TV today. It's the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: exact same premise from the emperor's perspective, but it was
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: also a way to like generate belovedness and adoration from
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the populace by putting on a really good event at
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the coliseum.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be curious about and we probably will never
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: know these specifics, but coming from a world of like
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: TV and film production, I would love to know how
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it literally worked. As a production, like a big production
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like this, with budgets and production managers essentially whatever they
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: called them. Yeah, I mean they had to have people
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: doing all that, and I'm sure there were fights over
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you know, what they could afford and what they couldn't. Yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like how much money did that got to have that elephant?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: So he tried it out. Alligators three days in a row.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I can't get another alligator in there.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: We have ninety seven more days to go.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Wow, amazing.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: So I said that the gladiator battles have been around
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: for a while by the time the Colosseum has built,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: been around for at least three hundred years. They started
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: out as part of funeral games, and everybody was like, well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: we like this, so it kind of became like a
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: thing that wasn't just part of funerals, right, Yeah, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: some I said, some gladiators were like well known, And
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: there was one who might have been the most well
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: known of all time. His name was Flamma the Flame,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and apparently he was a captured Syrian soldier.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Did they call him play my jama don't?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Surely somebody did. Okay, we are from now on. Yeah,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: So he turned down his freedom three different times they
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: would offer you your freedom by giving you a rudies,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a wooden sword that was symbolic of your transition back
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: into normal society. Three times he turned it down and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: finally died in a battle at age thirty five. And
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it's blong been considered that he was, you know, just
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: in it for the money or the glory or the fame.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: But somebody I read suggested that he was doing it
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: because he was trying to stand for his culture, because
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the Romans viewed Syrians very lowly, very cowardly, and Flamma,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the Syrian soldier, is like the greatest gladiator in all
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: of Rome. So they suggested that that might be why
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: he kept fighting.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So flamm and Jamma was like, I'm not taking that wooden.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Sword exactly, he can, that's right.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: There was also an emperor who got involved a gladiator
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: style Kommodis, who was a real piece of doo doo.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: He rained from one eighty to one ninety two, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you know it was he didn't really fight people. He
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: would go out there, you know, to boost his own ego,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: apparently hundreds and hundreds of times as a quote unquote gladiator.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But you know, they would submit to him immediately, or
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: they would submit to them and he would just murder them.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: He had like people with disabilities out there dressed up
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: as monsters with sponges painted like rocks, you know that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: supposedly throwing at him, and he would hunt them with arrows.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He would come out in public with their blood smeared
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: on him. He would kill animals. He was just a
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: real awful human being. There's one story where he supposedly
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: shot one hundred bears in one morning. Yeah, and he
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: was terrible.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To make it even worse, he would charge the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Roman treasury twenty five thousand pieces of silver per appearance
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that he said, I'm going to appear, and so give
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: me twenty five thousand pieces of silver. And then there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: one other thing that I want to mention, because the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Colosseum eventually started to crumble, as we'll talk about in
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a second, but during its heyday and possibly toward the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: beginning of it, the air contemporary accounts of filling the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Colisseum with water five or six feet deep, putting ships
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in there, and staging mock naval battles. I'm pretty sure
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: we talked about that in the Spartacus episode. Or some
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: other episode because it's really familiar. Ye may have happened.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It definitely happened in an artificial lake meat outside of
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the Colisseum. But these some of these contemporary accounts are like, no, no,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the Colisseum itself.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what my bet is is that they
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: did it at least once in the Colisseum. And we're like,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: this is what do they call them? Nomachias? Nomachias? Yeah,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that they would that. They were like, we should build
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: our own place to do this, and they built one
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: near the Tiber River that was exclusively for these mocker
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: naval battles because I think the Colisseum was probably problematic.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That would be my guess.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I think you're a historian now, but you can stop
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: holding on to that fact that there was running water
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that could make it to the Colosseum. Everybody, that's right,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: So I said, the Colosseum started to crumble.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean quite literally and metaphorically. You know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: when the rise of the Christian Church in Rome, obviously
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: they would come along and say this kind of brutality
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: can't stand. The decline of the Roman Empire period and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you know, people weren't as into this stuff it was.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It was a moment in time that it was super
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: popular and like anything, yeah four hundred, your moment in time.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But that would wane, and the first earthquake hit in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: four forty three, which damaged it, but it still being
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: used like as an amphitheater I think, you know, into
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the sixth century, and then the medieval period comes along
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and for about five hundred years they made it into
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: sort of like a like a live work play space.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, with shops, warehouses, the common area, the arena
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: floor became a common area and then it got hit
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: by an earthquake again in thirteen forty nine and the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: structure collapsed partially and it ended up becoming like a
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: stripped for parts. A lot of people scavenge stone from
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: it and other kind of works, including our works. But
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: also they used it for like building materials too, and
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: they used some of this at the direction of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: various popes over the years because they would take in
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and build Christian churches and cathedrals with this. So because
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: so much of the Colisseum have been used to build churches,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and because so many Christians have been killed there, the
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: coliseum itself became kind of a Catholic holy place and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: became an official holy place in seventeen forty nine when
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Pope Benedict the fourteenth blessed it. He said, this is
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: now a Christian holy site, and that protected it from
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: any more pillaging or destruction and actually led to some
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: early restoration projects.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they started to get to work on it
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to protect it a little more. After the unification of
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Italy in eighteen seventy it became you know, a legit
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: national monument. They you know, of course, Mussolini comes along
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and fully uncovers the how'd you pronounce that hypogeum?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: That's where I'm going.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, further rebuilt it, further stabilized it,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: brought out some of the you know, restored some of
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the history for sure, and then you know, I think
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it wasn't until like the late twentieth century that it,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you know, modern restoration, like really nice techniques came along
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: to make sure that it was not only safe for tourists,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: but like a robust place to you know, keep making
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: money off of or not keep But I guess, you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: for some of the first times making money.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Off Yes, some people consider it the greatest tourist traction
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: of Rome. Apparently it brings in six million visitors a year,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and I think there were six million people there when you,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: me and I went.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of people.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: It is a lot.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I didn't go in.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: It's it's very neat. Though we didn't make it down
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to the Hypogium. I don't know if it was open
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: yet for visitors. Yeah, no, twenty twenty one. No, we
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: definitely weren't able to. I would like to go back
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and go down there.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to pay to go in this time.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll cover your admission. How about that?
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Well, since Chuck thanked me everybody, that means it's time
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: for listener mail.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: This is a good one. This is about skydiving. It's like, hey, guys,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: got a good story. I took my boyfriend now husband
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and skydiving for his thirty second birthday about ten years
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: ago in New England and had gone once before, so
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the nerves were gone. But I was just full of
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: pure excitement and adrenaline. I was in the middle of
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: having my front tooth replaced. Do you see where this
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: is going yet? No?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: No, yet?
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And I had a flipper retainer. Do you see where
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: this is going yet?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: No? No yet?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, Chuck, I think you went through this experience. Of course.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I remember the flipper retainer. I asked the staff if
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I should remove it, but they said, no, it's pretty
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: snug in there. You'll be fine. I was feeling vain
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and didn't want my toothless face in the video. And
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: guess what happened during the free fall. I was a
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: little frustrated by needing to interact and entertain to the camera,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and I really wanted to just enjoy the moment, so
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: half jokingly, I blew a kiss and flipped a bird
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: at the cameraman. As instant karma would have it, my
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: faith tooth flew out. Had panicked and motioned to the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: gap in my mouth to the cameraman, and he just
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: gave the thumbs up. All good, And I remember thinking, no,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: not all good. This just got so much more expensive
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and I have no tooth. And you can even see
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: me sort of looking around for it in midfall.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Which I did not see that coming.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I hope it would be magically floating next to me
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: because I plumbled to the earth. I just say plummeled.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's pummeled and plummeted at the same time.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's a great new word. Jesus made.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Not my smartest moment, but desperation took over. And this
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: is from Aaron Bogan, and Aaron sent the video which
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is on YouTube, and it's very funny.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: To watch airs.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: You can't see the tooth fly out, but you see
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: immediately Aaron grab her mouth and motion around and sort
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of looking around, and it's just very funny. So let
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  Speaker 1: me see if I can even find how you would skydive.
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  Speaker 1: New England presents colon Aaron's skydive from nine years ago
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  Speaker 1: and it's got five hundred and seventy three views, two
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  Speaker 1: of which were mine, So maybe we could make Aeron
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  Speaker 1: a little more famous.
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  Speaker 2: Take care, thanks a lot, Aaron. That was a indeed
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  Speaker 2: Chuck like Chuck said a good email. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry that happened, but at least you got a great
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