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Brain Trauma, TBI & the HERO Protocol: A Special Forces Medic's Path to Cognitive Recovery · Broken Brains with Bruce Parkman

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey folks, welcome to another edition of Broken Brains with your host, Bruce Parkman, sponsored by the Mac Parkman Foundation, where we look at the issue of repetitive brain trauma from two aspects: repetitive head impacts from contact sports, and repetitive blast exposure for our military veterans and what these two conditions are doing to the mind, well-being, and mental health of our veterans, our kids, and our athletes.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: And why is this important?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is because the con the relationship between repetitive brain trauma, brain damage, and mental illness is not taught in any nursing, medical, psychological, suicide prevention course in this country.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that makes you the front line of defense.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we bring in the authors and researchers and scientists and veterans and athletes and everybody we can find, treatment specialists, so that you get that 360-degree perspective on this issue, so that you can protect not only those that you love, but identify those that might be struggling so that you can get them the help they need.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: On our show today, another amazing guest, Chief Warrant Officer Yatzek Voleshevsky.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: I had to practice that about 30 times, is a special forces warrant officer, former special forces medic, and award-winning author.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: He earned a graduate diploma in strategy and innovation from the University of Oxford and is the founder of the Hero Protocol.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And while he's been in special operations for 20 years, his first operational act was when he was only three months old.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: As a Polish revolutionary, as when penalty Polish revolutionary paperwork was smuggled in his diaper because his father was the co-founder of the Polish anti-communist resistant moving Solidarity.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now, after 20 years of service in Army Special Operations, multiple combat deployments, and a medical career spent keeping teams and partners alive, Yatzik has turned his passion to the future.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Drawing from two decades of special operations and his own history with concussions and TBIs, he created the Hero Protocol, a supplement system built on resilience to protect cognitive performance and to give the edge to those who have to operate in extreme environments, i.e., our soldiers, first responders, leaders, and high impact athletes.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yatsek, welcome to the show, sir.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Bruce, for having me.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's an honor.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: No problem, man.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, doing counter-revolutionary activity at age of three, I guess you were kind of set up to be a Green Beret, huh?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that that that's the running, yeah, that's the running joke at home.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like my mom shoved those papers in my diaper as soon as she heard the commies coming up and kicking in the door.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, please don't pee on them.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, they raid they raided the apartment, they ripped up the couches and took down the uh half the kitchen, but they couldn't find any paperwork.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: And there and my mom was like, This is genius.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: No one's gonna check a baby's diaper.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, dude.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: But then uh two years later, uh Reagan administration took us in as political refugees.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: So cool, yeah.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Where'd you land in the United States?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: North Carolina, I think.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay so landed in North Carolina, was there for a couple years and moved around the states.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Became a bartender in DC before joining the Army and going SF.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that that that is a whole another chapter.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you'd have we'd need another podcast just for to cover the DC adventures.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we might have to have one then, man.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: But sound it sounds pretty good.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, perfect.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, what uh did you join, like did you go in SF right uh right off the street, or did you do some regular army time like a lot of us did back in the day?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I did I I I had a kind of congruent approach DC in college.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Did three years of that.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was about to commission.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm just not ready to commit to the army for X amount of years, you know.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was like, I still want some more adventures under my belt and moved to DC, became a bartender, did that for about two years, and uh I'm sitting there and this uh the guy comes in, he's angry looking, it's midnight, bar's already closed, and uh he comes in, but he's like, he's like, no, I'm coming into the bar, sits down, and I'm like, hey, we're closed.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know, I still want a steak and I still want a bottle of wine.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, all right, this guy's gonna be interesting.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I call my friends at the steakhouse next door.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: They drop a steak off.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I give him a big old bottle of wine, and I just pick his story, and he never once told me who he was or what he was doing.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: He disappears.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Six months later, I'm bartending.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: This guy comes in, tan is cardboard, he's got sand coming out of the cracks, he's got a huge beard.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, this guy's gonna be trouble, right?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is a high-end bar.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: He sits down, and I was like, I can help you, sir.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, I want that same damn steak and that same damn bottle of wine you gave me six months ago.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Turns out he was a Green Beret.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so we just became friends.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I was telling him, I was like, look, man, your timing is great because I am looking for a career change.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I really enjoyed ROTC and just the uh I was one of the first kids that got to go to Malcolm Warfare school uh when that opened up back in like I think 2001.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so I liked the army things.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: So he tells me all about the 18x-ray program, which I didn't know anything about.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Went to the recruiter the next day.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: The recruiter's like, he like rolls his eyes when I tell him I want an 18 x-ray contract.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with an 18 x-ray contract?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I've sent seven, none have made it.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, I'm I'm cocky.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, great.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Send me, I'll be your eighth, I'll make it.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'll write you a letter when I'm through.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: And two and a half years later, three years later, when I'm graduating, I put the uh my gray on of 18 Delta, I like write a letter to the recruiting station.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, forward this to Sergeant Johnson or whoever, and uh let him know that I made it.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, man, like so off, you know, off the street, not off the street.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then um in selection, though, that was hilarious because you know, when you're filling out your paperwork and everything, and uh you're surrounded by everybody else.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: A captain sitting in front of me, he looks around, he's looking at me, and I realize we recognize each other.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was in my ROTC class the year before.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: He looks at me, he looks at my rank.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a private, right?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, What the F did you do?
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's thinking I should have been a major by now.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh no, I got out, I got back in.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm starting from scratch.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I was a bartender, come on, man.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: I was a bartender, my my adventures were different, you know.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: So no, it's it's been great though.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh never you blink.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, you blink and uh five years have passed, and you blink twice and 20 years have passed.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been amazing.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: What groups were you were you all in the 10th group the whole time or yep, 10th group.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh being the fact that I grew up speaking Polish, learned Russian real quick.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: It took German was easy to learn enough.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so went to 110 from 09 to about 12.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Nice assignment.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it was great, great first assignment.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Hung out there, learned a lot.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was probably gone out of the three years, my ex-wife now.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's a you know, obviously there's a reason, but it this makes sense.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Out of the three years that I was there, I was probably only home for six months.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's how busy it was in those times.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but we made the mess of it, moved to Colorado, and went back to you know, stayed in 10th, made a whole career out of it.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: So Wow, you don't get the homestead.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: You do any switch time at Fort Bragg at all?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, I got lucky.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh wow, you did the entire 20 years in 10th group, bro.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Zero years.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: I hate you.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think numerically I looked it up.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm at plus or minus by like one or two, uh like 24 deployments in 18-ish operational years.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I mean, I've paid the price.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've got 11 surgeries.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had a uh part part of the reason you know uh the hero protocol became an actual thing was because it saved my life.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because I had a I took a thousand pounder uh when we were evacuating Afghanistan, because I was on the last, I was the warrant officer for both one of the last special forces teams out of Afghanistan.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: EOD was just blowing things up like uh, you know, like like the uh the the destruction show that it was, and one of them was a thousand pounder and that just wiped out my vestibular nerve, the the nerve that you know controls your mouth.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we can cover all that later, but you know, 11 surgeries, 24-ish deployments, like you know, you you might skip SWIC, but you're gonna get a divorce out of it, a bunch of surgeries and a lot more TBIs.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, the reason I asked is that nobody gets to stay a group for you know 20 plus years, dude.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you gotta go back to the school, which is, I mean, I'm saying it's cool, dude.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just you know that that that you know because you went warrant, you missed a crappy ass sergeant major course I had to go to back in the day, too.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that's good for you, too.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta look.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, what a stellar career, man.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: So how many times you're in the box?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: Three for combat once for 48 hours, because I was dropping some uh my buddy calls me.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't actually tell you the story.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I won't tell you what was in the box.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I take a box, there's a secret sticker on it, I fly in, I give him the box, and uh he shakes my hand, and that was it.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: So technically three with like a 48-hour stint there that that's off the books.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe you got a strike for a combat strike for showing up, man.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, three times there, and the rest were Africa, Europe.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they sent us to Alaska for six weeks to live with the Inuits.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of Polish and Russian speakers in Africa.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, yeah, right?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Rumor has it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: So no, that was fun though.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was uh right after uh I don't know if you remember a Westgate when the uh when Al Shabaab came in and executed everybody in the shopping mall.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like 200 people died, and um, you know, 50 of them, I think, were kids in the nursery, right?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Or and like it was brutal.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I got tasked on an emergency team to go with and uh help out that security issue.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, 18 Delta, you're employable everywhere.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Yeah, we know you just came off a deployment, but we really need you to go on another one.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because you guys are gonna be busy.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we were busy.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh you know, rewarding from like a moral perspective.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, dude, no, I mean absolutely that's you know, that's the kind of stuff, especially when you hear about kids being caught.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, 300 Nigerian kids missing right now.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, god dang.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty leave them alone.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, I mean, you just for the education of our audience, man.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are five jobs in, you know, well, there's yeah, four, five, five of them in in special forces, and our deltas are our medic.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, Yat's sake, just just just give our audience a little bit of background on like these aren't just your medics that slap a band-aid on you, man.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: These guys can do some stuff, man.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Tell you you've got a story or two, man.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Tell what you're you know, you Yeah, I mean, so yeah, I've been right, so the 18 Delta course, right?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you made the great point.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just a medic course, it's not CLS.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you are gonna be the guy behind enemy lines, taking care of people, working with medicine or uh, you know, herbal medicine, or just hoping for the best.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you've got to know it all because sometimes you're gonna be the only medical provider.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, in two years, just the medical course is two years, or it's six months, but it's a six-month course that you get slammed with two years of medicine, and on your and it really struck me on my first rotation when I was walking around doing sutures in uh ERs, I think the bust I put in 174 or 73 sutures in a girl once uh in Tampa General because she got beat up at a uh beat up with a stool.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I've got a fourth year residency students like looking over my shoulder because they can't touch the patient.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: But here I am doing all of it, right?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then my beeper beeps, and I'm like, oh, you know, the flight for life's taking off, so I gotta go.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then I go jump in flight for life, and then uh, you know, the nurses call because there's a belligerent dude that needs his blood drawn, so we're all jacked up and we go.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, then like two, three days later, I'm in you know, uh OBGYN and I'm catching my baby or catching the first baby coming out, right?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then helping in necessariums.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: So the theory with an 18 Delta, a special forces medic, is you're gonna go, you're gonna be the medical provider behind enemy line, and you have to know everything.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, down to veterinarian medicine, right, and dental care.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you you know, we are yeah, 18 deltas, you're certified, and we run surgery wards.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: The first time I was in Afghanistan, um, I had a few extra days to kill, so I went over to uh Craig and over at Bagram medical facility, and then you know, I'm over there helping the doc pop off this guy's skull cap because he got shot in the head with a sniper rod, and I'm you know, sucking out the remnants of his brain, right?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: So he could get packaged up for transport.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm I'm working the feet and everything else, working it up, and then nursing on the other side of the hospital because I want to be useful.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like an 18 delta isn't just a medic that does CLS and IVs.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: They literally, I could prescribe meds, I could help deliver babies, I could do surgeries, I can do veterinarian medicine too, if need be, or we can as 18 deltas.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's really the entirety of anything that could be considered medicine.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be exposed to it in the medic course, and it's phenomenal.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's dirty medicine sometimes, but uh it works.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: So that wasn't a recruiting video, but I will tell you, you know, these guys are amazing, man.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: I have watched them deliver babies by candlelight, rip teeth out by the hundreds, you know, and and and like Yat Sek said, these guys were literally the only medical professionals within you know 100 miles.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we used to do these med readies down in South America.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, just so, anyways, yeah, give you a little background because I'm sure that that background helped you on your way to build the uh hero protocol.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, so let's dive into this a little bit.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: So after 18, you know, missions, 24 years, obviously you had uh quite a uh, you know, you had you had some run-ins with concussions and subcussive trauma and probably a lot of blast exposure.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh tell us about that.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, tell us about that.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so and you know, I'll I'll caveat this with like when you know when I say a traumatic brain injury, I've talked to a few civilians and they're like, oh well, you know, they're I've never been deployed, so I don't I never got a TBI, and then they're like, oh, but I got a bunch of concussions in a football.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: So the word TBI and concussion, uh, I think we should equate that as an as an equal right descriptor.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: More or less.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen stars or anything else for for the audience who recognize that?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, okay.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: So first off, the lawyer advised me that, you know, quick disclaimer, nothing I say is medical advice.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: The hero protocol is a dietary supplement, not a drug.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: None of these statements have been evaluated by the FDA and not attended to diagnose, treat, cure, prevent any disease, and talk with your doctor before you do anything.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Very well remarked.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's out of the way.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's gonna be the permanent asterisk for the rest of this podcast.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, man, like, you know, when you're in your 20s and 30s, like uh as I was, like going and going to the the the the shoot house and blowing things up was just exciting, right?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And um you don't notice the amount of overpressure that you're getting.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like my I like my head rang and you know it was a little kind of floaty after a little while, but I'm like, yeah, it's fine, it's just part of the part of the game.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's literally part of the job, too.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: But then when I started hitting around 35 years old, I noticed that the the head ringing and the numbness in my brain started lasting a little longer than normal.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember coming off one range, we'd shot you know, in the neighborhood of 100 mortars.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: The next day we did 100 door charges and uh uh uh other other type of explosives.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then the third day we went to the rocket range and shot off like you know 100 AT4s and goofs and laws.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I came home and I'm standing in front of the house, you know, get out of the car, and I'm I'm beeping my my car fob, beep, beep, trying to open the front door.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting pissed off that the car is beeping.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, stop stop I was like, stop making noise, damn car.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like just let me in the house.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm getting angry at the doorknob because the doorknob's not opening, because I'm hitting it with the wrong key, and I stop after about a minute and I'm like, shit, like this is worse than all the other hundreds of times.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I switch the key fob out to the car, to the house key, and then I open the house and I go in.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've just got this ringing headache, this numbness that kind of just permeates the whole brain.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: It it kind of felt like a cleaver went right between the front half and the back half of the brain, and there was just a separation there.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was pissy the next day, like really just snappy, um, you know, and and still married, but I'm positive, I'm confident that my inability to process my angers, which were literally inside my own brain, they weren't, you know, it wasn't I had a bad day at work type thing.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like a almost like a slight personality shift.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh because I and I learned this only you know last year, you know, we're talking 10 years ago, five years ago now, um, I had a biochemical change due to scar tissue and you know all the uh the damage that had physically happened to my brain.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it feels like you know, when you're kids and you pillow fight, but you get that older kid who like really winds up that pillow and gets you.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, it's not no longer just like a bag of fluffy feathers.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like they hit you with a bowling ball, and you're like, oh, I'm I'm done pillow fighting, like that, but in your brain, um, for a hundred times.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, and so I right around 35 is when I noticed that I was angrier, used more curse words, um wasn't collaborative, wasn't happy, wasn't patient, right?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't patient with people, and um, but I wasn't quitting either, right?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like you know, SF, like you either complete the mission or you die trying, like that's it.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that just became the mantra.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so um fast forward a couple years to 2001, uh 2021, sorry.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're one of the last SF teams in Afghanistan.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're the last SF team in Helmand, just blowing up the base as we go.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: The OD had been instructed to limit their explosions down to 250 pounds, but they were like, well, you know, who's the authority here?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And we're short on time.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: We had literal hours to get out, so they build six 1,000 pounders and blow them up and just start, I mean, rocking them.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's effing amazing.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: But by the sixth one, I'm in front of the uh Mat V and I wake up and I look and the mushroom cloud is fading.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, yeah, I've been I've been knocked out for a while inside a Mat V from you know an MSD of 250 for for a 250-pound charge, but it was a thousand-pound charge, right?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's when I realized I was like, oh, like I've actually been officially knocked out.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: And the next day we're sitting there, you know, the mission is we're we're we're blown up the base, we're burning the base, get out.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sitting there and I eat my oat morning oatmeal and I look and the oatmeal's falling on the out of my mouth and it's hitting the table.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is the stupidest oatmeal I've ever dealt with.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Why is this oatmeal not doing its job?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, wait, and my you know, 18 Delta brain kicks in.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, wait a second.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: I take a biscuit and I put it in my mouth, and it just falls out.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh shit, my mouth doesn't work.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like the you know that sensation you get when uh a dentist numbs you up and like everything from here to include my tongue wasn't working.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So however big that blast was, uh, came in from the left side, it knocked out my ability to talk um and to use my tongue to eat oatmeal.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I did I did the operator thing.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna chill out, take an easy dig, lock myself in the room.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell the captain because I was the worn-off screen.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, like I got rocked.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm alive, but I really need to take care of this.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, but you're getting four hours of sleep a night, you're you're you're pounding mount uh you know, rippets just to stay alive.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Ripets.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Those didn't good, those didn't go away in 2021.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um Wow, they're still there.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so I'm sure the Taliban loved them too now, but uh they found a on X full of rippets somewhere.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and so after two, three days, it wasn't getting better, and I hadn't developed a stutter that I'd never had before.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so all this starts getting worse.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I come back to the States, you know, mission's over, and Afghanistan literally collapsing behind us as we're flying out.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I come home super angry, super frustrated, super short-tempered.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: But what's crazy about it is now, four or five years later, looking back on it, I thought I was fine.
• 20:39
  unknown: Right?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, no, no, this is just normal.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's the it's the toad boiling theory, right?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you turn up you put the the frog in the water, turn up the temperature slowly on the boiling water, and it'll won't jump out.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what had happened to the career's worth of concussions and traumatic brain injuries and subconcussive events, et cetera, that I'd gotten.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I just hadn't noticed because I was always in go mode.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I was yeah, I get a phone call one day, they're like, hey, where are you?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm at home.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, You haven't been to work in four months.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, where are you?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, huh.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, No, we just got off deployment.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Yeah, that was four months ago.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, So I look at myself in the mirror, I got a big old beard, and I'm just like, oh shit.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so my ability to tell time was gone, right?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's time I think the medical term is time dilation, right?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: So one day felt to me like either a year or a minute, I couldn't tell.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: And things like paying the bills started to fall off.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: I went through a divorce at this point.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: No surprise.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't pay the bills on time, couldn't do the laundry.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: When I did laundry, I did it wrong.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't check my pockets, car keys were in 'em, uh, wallet was in them, you know, and I'd be yeah, and then I'd I'd go to the my closet, you know, then and I'd be like, All right, I'm ready to get tr dressed because I'm an adult.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't have any clothes.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd look in the washing machine.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And all the clothes have been there for a week, right?
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So now I have to rerun them because they're all smelly moldy.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, uh, this isn't going well.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's an actual problem now.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: So finally, little things too, like going to the shooting range at this point.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Shooting an M4 would give me a headache to the point where I'd have a migraine the next day.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just an M4.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, uh, as a medic, I can't format.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is bad.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is beyond bad.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I need to take a humble pie uh moment.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: I quietly walked over to my boss.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, no joke, something's wrong.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just, you know, the Afghanistan blues, right?
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think I am like F'd up at this point.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so 22 went to Intrepid, did the whole gamut of um uh evaluations, and they found that my vestibular nerve, the nerve that controls the balance, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you if you swing around on a swing and you get dizzy, it's because your vestibular nerves go and giving you information.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this one was shot, which would explain why for the past two months I'd been falling downstairs and walking into walls.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's when a 39, 40-year-old man who was at the top of his career, is walking down the stairs with a plate of spaghetti, and then the next thing I know is the spaghetti's doing this.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm horizontal to the stairs.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: The spaghetti's arcing through the air.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's there's spaghetti splatter going everywhere, and then I go bump, dunk, dunk, dunk, dun, dunk, and just lay there as spaghetti just rains all over me, and I'm like, I am F top.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I because I can't perceive balance at this point, so I can't jump anymore.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't communicate effectively because I have stutter, and I can't remember what I'm trying to communicate because all the hardware up here is all mixed up.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: So finally, when I go to the Intrepid Center, they do all the neurobatteries, and they're like, Yeah, your vestibular nerve is functioning at like 25-30% of what it should be.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh your stutter, we don't know the army's like, we don't know what to do with that.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then the neuroscientist, it was supposed to be a two-hour like IQ test to try to figure out where the brain is uh misfiring.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: She ended up running it for nine hours.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, no, no, no.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: And she she was excited because she found out the part of my brain that had been knocked out by this shockwave was my processing center.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I was effectively running a DOS code or Windows 95, right?
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And in in 2022 at this point.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And she was then like, you know, there's a 15-point deficit in my IQ processing speed.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, it is undeniably your IQ processing speed that got knocked out.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, that's your executive function, that's why you can't.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, What color socks are you wearing?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, two different socks, you know.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: But simple things like that.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just like, oh man, you know, tie it to the fact that I have responsibilities as a dad, right?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm trying to hide all this from my kids who are trying to now compensate for me because I forget when their soccer is, I forgot where their school is, which order to go in, you know, which kid gets dropped off first, and they would have to start coaching me.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I am I'm a 65-year-old man in a 40-year-old man's body, and I'm not trending well.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like the 11th surgeries, great, hardware updates, got them, bolts, screws, other people's ligaments.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I can deal with that.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: But the brain is your own thing, like you're your entity, like you exist in your brain.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so to go to Intrepid and you know, met a bunch of great doctors and everything.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody had a you know VA or army-approved solution, right?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: But none of them were working.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as an 18 Delta who is trained in unconventional medicine and treatments behind enemy lines, because if you have too many patients, now you're a tactical liability or strategic liability, right?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you and so, and I can't call Walgreens when I'm behind enemy lines, and one of the tenets of special forces medicine training is if you heal, if you solve the right problem, the body will create its own solutions and heal itself, right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas, you know, Western medicine has its pros, but a con of it, I guess, to say is that they want to chase the symptoms and heal the symptoms because that makes money.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also easier to heal the symptoms.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: You get more feet immediate feedback.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you heal the problem, then the human doesn't become, but then the human's no longer a patient, right?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need to digress in that.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: But you also can't heal the problem if the treatment's not approved, right?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Especially in the DOD.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so for my ear, which remind, let me remind you, I was falling downstairs as a grown-ass man.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's a thing called vestibular therapy.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so all they do is they take your head and they shake it up and down, left and right, and they try to indu- I mean, it's archaic, it's barbaric.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably invented in like the 1700s.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, I'm like, what are you doing?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I grab this nurse and I throw her off me because it feels like someone was stabbing a knife in my ear.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and then I throw up in the wastebasket.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, explain to me medically why you just effing did that.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, oh my god, he's angry.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: She runs away, you know, another guy comes in.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, explain to me why she just grabbed my head and shook me like a ragdoll.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Well, he's like, Well, that's vestibular therapy.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, why?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this is the same as if like you came in with a broken bone arm to a doctor and said, Hey, I got a broken arm.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so he takes your arm and shakes it and says, Oh, well, if we deaden the nerve, it's not gonna hurt as well.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: You won't feel it.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I would expect everybody to punch the doctor in the mouth, right?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, I did not do anything violent, other than violently throwing up in a trash can.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, no, you can't do that to me.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm going to, and like, I knew that what was gonna happen to me.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm gonna be out for the next I'm gonna have a headache, I'm gonna throw up again tonight, I'm gonna wake up tomorrow really pissed off and dizzy, and for the next two, three days, I'm just gonna be an effing vegetable.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, no more vestibular therapy.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's our cake.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do something better.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't have anything better.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we can give you hearing aid.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I was like, no.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what about the mouth?
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, well, we you know, the fact that I'm stuttering.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, well, we can't do anything for that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what about uh the fact that I can't remember anything or executively function, run at like, you know, optimal IQ speeds?
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, uh, you can carry a notebook around to like record your notes better.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like people.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, and I have sympathy for them.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: They are limited by the uh type of medical care they are allowed to provide, right?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the VA and the DOD is a very conservative organization because it has to deal with a million people.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the treatment has to be correct.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: I can respect that.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I'm someone once did the math in in the warrant course, and they're like, hey guys, we're worth like three million dollars now.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, between the Q course, our career or paychecks, and now this warrant course and all the other courses that we're going through.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, we're million-dollar, you know, million-dollar men.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, right?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: So SF has an incentive to send guys to these to these TBI clinics because they're literally multi-million dollar, you know, assets walking around.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: And one injury that no one can see is the brain, right?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: But then you get personality shifts and everything else.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so finally, this goes on for about six months, and the army's like, look, you can't shoot, you can't jump out of planes because you can't risk another TBI.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Performance of work is terrible, even though you were great before.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, they're like, yeah, you're kind of useless to us now.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sort of like a like a 240 barrel on a machine gun that gets you know burnt out.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, oh, well, it's useless now.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna just throw a new one in.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like I felt like that.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'd, you know, gone cyc been going cyclic for years.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, I was like, I've seen this.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, it's a profession.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Professional stuff happens.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, if you medboard me, because my brain's still not working after a year, and even after your treatments, what do I do about my broken brain?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because right now I'm quite confident I cannot stock a shelf at Home Depot if they told me to.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, and they were like, well, you know, carry a notebook and hold the handrail when you go up and down the stairs so you don't fall down them so much.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you mother effers.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, done.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so, oh, and then they were like, oh, but you seem angry.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, I'm angry right now because you just told me I have you know a 1991 DOS-powered brain with all these other ailments, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And you're gonna kick me out of the army at my 18th year.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, why?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so, oh, you seem angry about this.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to go see a therapist?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: They could give you antidepressants.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what are you treating?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I have the right to be angry.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so I'm like, okay, this is the limit.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to stop being uh, you know, the bird that's trying to fly through a glass window.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm done, right?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so I go home and I take a huge out whiteboard.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, all right, what are my symptoms?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so I just start drawing out my symptoms.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, these are very Alzheimer's symptoms, okay?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: And these are very Parkinsy symptoms.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and these are PTSD symptoms because like I'm waking up at midnight and I can't go to sleep till two in the morning.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably screwing with my sleep.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: All right, and these are the other symptoms.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just and like literally, you know, I'm owning it.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, the other symptoms are that I just can't keep myself accountable because I can't get myself to that point.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so I drew out my symptoms and I was like, you know what?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: It looked like a flower puddle kind of thing.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm just gonna treat, I'm gonna find natural supplements to treat for this.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, yeah, I started researching what actually happens during a concussion process.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: How does the brain sell down to the cell?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: How does it fall apart?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: How then not only does it how it fall apart, because there's plenty of research on how things fall apart in the military, right?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: We have hundreds of years of research on how damage occurs to humans.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Ironically, we don't have a hundreds of years of research of how we fix it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started researching everything else, and I did have the an amazing experience, and I thank God, because this was pivotal, probably saved my life.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, when I was doing my medical rotations in Tampa General back in like 07, we were innovating coma patients because back in the day you you would innovate.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so we'd do that rotation, and the coma doc was there.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, like I have a theory.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have a theory that getting hit in the head, just having a headache, all the way to being knocked out into a concussion or into a coma and turned into a vegetable, it's the same injury.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just on a linear spectrum, right?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Little headache, big headache, you know, seeing stars getting knocked out, being being knocked out, and then being in a coma.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, so what do you do?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because my guys are gonna be exposed to repeated blasts.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And is this preventable?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And the doc's like, well, you know, your jobs are gonna be really complex.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like for my coma patients, when they show up, I recommend that they get 10 to 20 grams of omega-3s a day.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then after seven to ten days, they pop out of their coma, like the ones that have the right to.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, but it's the ability to.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, it's really odd to me.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's no FDA studies on this.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: But he's like, consistently, seven to ten days, these guys pop out of the coma.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, huh.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that number has never left my brain.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: And now, fast forward 20 years later, and I'm sitting there like, huh, maybe I should do something with omega-3s.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so I start researching the crap out of omega-3s and how they work, because that math isn't raw.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta 10, imagine this, 10 grams for seven days is 70 grams of omega-3s, right?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: 140 on the higher end.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, what's so magical about that number?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I research and find out your brain, your brain, my brain, most everybody's brain, other than like little people's brain, have 70 grams of phospholipids in their brain.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so what this doctor was inadvertently doing was getting, like literally doing an oil change for these coma patients' brains.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: And once they had a complete oil change at roughly the 70 gram level, the oil change did something to the brain, and they popped out of their coma.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, that's great.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, get on Amazon, didn't realize how many bottles I'd ordered on Amazon because I didn't have my executive function back, and so like I had like 16 bottles of omega-3 show the next day.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Get your own pharmacy going.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm just gonna experiment.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: So fish oil, krill oil, every oil, whatever oil.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Found out that 10 grams of omega-3s a day will give you uh diarrhea.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: So don't do 10 grams of omega-3s a day.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: But then I would also find, and I felt a little better.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, this isn't this.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, the math works, right?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: But the instant I stopped doing it, all my symptoms started.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, so I got to keep on a high dose, but on a manageable dose.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started doing that, but I also started finding out that um different omegas have different things.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, that's not on you.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's or that that's not normal.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I started researching manufacturing processes.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've been manufacturing the difference between fish oil, krill oil, and algae oil.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and we can go into this more on how I designed the hero protocol specifically, but like I had to find, do, because I was trying to save my own brain, the highest grade non-pharmaceutical omega-3, because the omega-3 that the army issues you, right, as a prescription, is low-grade shit.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: It is lowest bitter.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Lowest bitter for the highest price.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, if the army wants to do anything next to Motron, it needs to get with the highest grade omega-3, not fish oil.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: It has to be algae.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'll advocate for that for the rest of my life.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Algae.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: For reason.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for an idea.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, man.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah, yeah.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so once I started getting my you know, 70-ish, 60-ish grams of omega-3s uh in my brain, I was like, all right, what next?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, well, I kinda I've kind of got like the Parkinson's thing going on because my vestibular nerve shot, it's not communicating well.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: I still gotta stutter.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, okay, oh, tinnitus is through the roof and headaches.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, started researching uh there's NAD, NMN, NADH.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: There are these, it's a component that we all have as kids.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we everybody thinks clearly, you know, can process information in vast amounts, but as you get older, it starts dropping off around 50.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it started getting really popular as a rejuvenation anti-aging supplement.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I started researching the crap out of it and like where it interfaces at your cellular level, and it goes into the mitochondria, and it's basically like a fuel oil injection cleaner for the mitochondria.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: And this goes to the 18 Delta theory that if you can start, if you could solve the problem, all the symptoms would get fixed.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, okay, so I started taking NMN and ADA, I started just experimenting.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was the guinea print.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I started to feel a little clearer.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I could start having thoughts that would streak together.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, after about a week or two.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, what's next?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, I'm looking at my board, I'm just crossing things off, crossing things off.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, this is taking months.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, I'm still waking up at midnight and I'm patrolling the house because my dog farted, the branch hit the, you know, rubbed against the roof, or a car drove by that I didn't recognize.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, okay, why is that happening?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I was thinking back, I was like, all right, obviously it's you know, it's some post-traumatic stress type things, but my heart's not racing.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't go to sleep.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's always happening around midnight and lasts for about you know two hours.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, all right, I don't want to take ambient, I don't want to take Benadryl, I don't want to drink, right?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because alcohol is a numbing agent.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Most people drink in order to calm the nervous system down to get to sleep.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I don't want to do those things because those have byproduct uh effects.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, so through another beautiful happenstance, you want to talk about godlining people up uh in your life.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: My cousin's married to the CEO of a mushroom pharmaceutical.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I get her on the phone.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, what do I do?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, how do I interrupt my ability to this this issue?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: What puts me to what could keep me to bed, keep me to sleep at like a with like a natural supplement, right?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a mushroom.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: And her dad wrote a bunch of books on on the benefits of actual mushrooms, not psilocybin, but mushrooms.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so I've, you know, she told me I did, so I started, she put me down the path, I started doing all the research, and I found uh a blend of mushrooms that will bind with the cortisol and the adrenaline in your system.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because what the hell have we done as an operator specifically?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: What have I done for nearly 20 years?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I've woken up at 6 p.m.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: to operate at midnight, to have uh whether I'm jumping out of helicopters, you know, doing long-range movement on snowmobiles in Alaska, um, you know, or doing a litany of other things.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what am I having?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having an adrenaline rush from midnight to 4 a.m.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I go to bed around 6 a.m., right?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: My everything's inverse.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: So after doing this for about 10, 15 years, I realized my adrenal glands don't know not to produce adrenaline.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then my cortisol glands don't know not to dump a bunch of cortisol because that's what they've done, because they've literally done that to keep me alive.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: If they hadn't done that, I would have been dead many times over.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's biochemically genetically infused in me to have an adrenaline rush near Binda.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, ah, so I take all these mushrooms and I find the concoction that works because they bind to adrenaline and cortisol.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so they keep it sub-threshold.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: So when I take it and I go to bed, it'll bind and prevent them from it's like kids that are like frat party kids.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of giving them a Red Bull at night and letting them a party, you tell them just go to bed, right?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: Give them a glass of warm milk and they'll go to bed.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what my adrenaline glands were doing, because that's what they've done.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so through a huge, I mean, we're talking six months, easy.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: I have been, I had been experimenting with myself.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so finally get to a point where I'm like, okay, now the multivitamin, right?
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: The multivitamin is pissing me off, right?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because everybody knows about vitamin D and K, and you know, it's bet good for you, right?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, but the multivitamin is pissing me off because I take it in the morning and give me that upset hungover feeling, and I don't like that feeling for like an hour.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: And like just kind of feels like it's burning your stomach and makes you feel nauseous.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just like, you know what?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I bet if I just took it at night and brush my teeth, take this protocol that I've like, is that like yeah, it's a mix of pills now.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take them.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, even if I have the stomach issue, I'm gonna be asleep.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: So who cares?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so I go to bed, I wake up the next effing morning.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: I feel amazing for five minutes.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, that was weirdly amazing.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't felt that since I was in college, right?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like in my 20s.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think anything about it, go through my day, I struggle through it.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: The next day I wake up, I feel better for 10 minutes.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: The next day, 15.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: By the end of the seventh day, mind you, seventh day, I'm onboarding 60 grams of omegas, taking all my NAD and NMN mix, mushrooms are kicking in because now they're kicking in at night, and my multivitamins are kicking in because now I'm taking them at night.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: On the morning of the seventh day, I woke up and I said, huh, I just had a dream.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm thinking about it, it's like I I haven't had a dream in five years.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, that's interesting.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then the rest of the day was effing amazing.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so I keep doing it, and then I realized I'm like, oh my god, like it has to be not only the formula, but it has to be when I'm taking it.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I call my sister, who's uh in the middle of her PhD, and she's a genius.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: She scored uh perfect 1600 across the SATs.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, you're the smartest person I know.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: You have read more actual research papers than researchers.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me why when I started taking this at night, within seven days, everything started getting better.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: And she'd been only loosely following what I'd been doing.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: So she was like, Well, you know, this happens.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then she's like, I'll look into it, I'll get back to you.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: That afternoon, she gets back to me, she's like, your glimphatic system kicks in overnight when you sleep.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: It only kicks in when you're dreaming because the dream fluctuations allow the gymphatic system to clean out waste out of your brain.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, I bet your concoction, timed with when you took it, timed with your lymphatic system, is allowing it to kick back in.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's like putting a fresh battery in a dead car, you know, woo-whoof, and then you hear the engine kick, and then the power starts going, and you get a big plume of exhaust.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah, you you might be onto something.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, So what do I do?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, just keep taking it.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, honestly, I don't know.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: No one's done research on when to take anything.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: But she's like, based off what you told me, based off these other extravagant uh research papers, you know, and mice studies, dog studies, old people studies, like very little pieces of non-fully FDA certified studies, but they were indicators.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like having a compass, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna maybe follow it this way, right?
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I followed that protocol for about a month, and by the end of the month, I felt phenomenal.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I stopped.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I looked, you know, I was at work, I stopped, I looked back up, I was like, I didn't fall down those stairs.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I didn't even notice that I was going up and down stairs, but I didn't fall down them.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's what is magical about this moment.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: You'd know.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: When your win is that you're not falling downstairs, you know, you don't you don't have a very low bar.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so for a couple months, things started getting so much better that I go back to the uh the trepid clinic, I'm like, all those tests that I failed dramatically and that you guys were, you know, considering recommending me get kicked out of the army for, run them again, all of them.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the the same nurse that did the vestibular test on my ear that I almost like judo threw over my shoulder, she's like, I'm not gonna touch you.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, that's fine.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's understand.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like she still remembered me.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I bet.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so the main guy comes in, and so the way they do this, right?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: So there's an eye chart, you know, 10 feet away, and you sit in front of the eye chart, and then they shake your head like this, and then they shake your head like this, like left to right, left to right, up and down, up and down, as you read the eye chart up and down.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever line you stop at is how bad your vestibular injury is, right?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Mind you, I couldn't even get started where they started.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, go.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: So you start shaking my head, and I'm like, A B C D.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then I start reading it backwards.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started reading it back down, back up, back down, backed up.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, how many times?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, You've been at this for two minutes.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I feel phenomenal.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, shake it the other way.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: So he shakes it side to side.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: Two minutes.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, and I'm just reading numbers.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he stops and he likes stops and he steps away from me.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, How are you feeling?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know that fun feeling when you jump off like a merry-go-round as a kid and you're like, what next?
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, that's what I feel like.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: A little dizzy, but I'm not throwing up.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: My headaches are gone.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, oh.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: So then they put me in a balancing, like so it looks like you step into a giant, like living room-sized golf ball and you like step into it.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the pedal feet pedals move and like optics are moving and everything else.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I am sitting in there calm as a button.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: The first time I did that, but you know, now nearly you know, however many months earlier, I fell out and the guy had to catch me because I couldn't take the visual inputs and the feet inputs.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: But now I'm sitting there like a fighter pilot.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, is anything supposed to be happening?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: And like the test is over, and I look back behind me, and he's like back there, arms almost ready to catch me.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, How'd you do that?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I feel effing amazing.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so they ran all the numbers.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: My vestibular nerve had regrown, or not, I can't say regrown.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: And his vestibular nerve results were 150% better than before.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: And at best, his vestibular nerve, I had to research this, is spontaneous vestibular nerve recovery is maybe at best 10%.
• 45:27
  unknown: Right?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I hadn't had any vestibular nerve therapy.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then the uh the the guy he turns to me, he's like, Oh, guess what?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, What?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's like your setter's gone.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, it is.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, How'd you do that?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't know.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so because my theory was that uh vestibular nerve injury and and whatever however it was affecting my mouth was acting kind of like Parkinson's, where the actual sheath on the nerve cell was being damaged.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: The nerve ends were okay, but it's sort of like having a short in your electrical wire.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I somehow, something I did in that protocol had addressed that.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have to disclaimer that.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was only my stuff my my personal experience, right?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Not medical advice.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: This continues.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: I go back to the neuroscientist and was like, hey, run that entire IQ test on me again.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: It'd been at least six months.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think the statistical average is you might get a two-point IQ test increase if you have another test six months out.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: She runs it.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: 15 effing point jump.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I went from forced gump to back to where I was.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she looks at me, she's like, What'd you do?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I did this protocol.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, that doesn't make sense.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I know.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm agreeing with you.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make sense.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the only thing I did.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, I she's like, I'm gonna have to submit this to hire, right?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like from her research buddies.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, this guy is claiming he took a bunch of natural supplements and got better.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, huh.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I like I went around the clinic.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, does anybody want to know what's in this protocol?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Can I give this out to you guys for free?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because like I walked out of the clinic into the hallway, and like six of my buddies were in the hallway.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, you're here, you're here, you're here.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I've been here for like six months, I've been here for 12 months.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine, and the other guy just got there.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, what are you guys doing?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, well, they can't do anything for me.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: So in order to deal with how angry I am, they're gonna give me art therapy.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what the F is art therapy gonna do for your brain?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, I don't know, maybe it's gonna make me less less less angry.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, with like paper mache?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, we're adults here, right?
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's like if you went to a pilot who's an airline pilot and told it, you know, he has an injury, and you're like, oh, just do paper mache uh the broken arm theory, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well we can't fix the arm, but here's some art therapy for you.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Make some wallets.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you're just like, yeah, make some make some duct tape wallets, right?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: But it's so it was such a frustrating experience.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, not only have I fixed myself, as I understand it, and as the army has figured out that I have fixed it, realize the army didn't care.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: They genuinely didn't give a shit because it didn't fall into their parameter of capacity.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: They couldn't do anything about it.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm not blaming them, they just couldn't do anything with it.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: I might as well have given them a you know brick of gold.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: Couldn't have done anything with it.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so But then being in the hallway and seeing all my buddies out there, I'm like, well, I'm fine now, but what about my guys?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: I spent 10 years of my life in a career as an 18 Delta willing to put myself in front of bullets or between bullets in the body to save my buddy.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so here I am sitting, like, oh, and so I was like, hey, is anything you're doing here working?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh my one buddy was like, no, F no.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, art therapy is fun, but that doesn't solve the fact that I can't sleep, I can't talk.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I bump into walls.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: I want to kill her.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to, yeah.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, that you sound like me six months ago.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, I've got this thing, you know, like let me get back to you on this thing.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, okay.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I go home, I talk to some people, I tell them what my problem is, and I have this protocol, and it seems to have worked for me dramatically.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I have a bunch of buddies who need it.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, okay, so you need to patent it, you need to, you know, launch a company, it's for liability purposes, you need to do all these things.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: I run the numbers because yeah, Special Forces Green Beret, I can figure anything out, right?
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: I run the numbers, I just do checklists.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, shit, I need$75,000.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I look around, I'm like, I don't like this house.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd rather save my friends and do something, you know, meaningful with life.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, all right, so I call a realtor.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I need to sell my house.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: And uh they're like, okay.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: So they sell the house.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: I move into an apartment, I take, you know, the money that I have made from the uh apartment or the sale, get a patent, get a trademark, launch the company, talk to manufacturers across America, and I get uh the right ones who are willing to work with me because I can't afford these 10,000 unit production lines, right?
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not GNC.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, no, I can I only need 100, right?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I only have like 50 buddies, and I'm probably gonna want to give them some more.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, what the?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm just trying to help my buddies, right?
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's this?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's so effing complicated to understand.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: I want to make my buddies not drink until they pass out because they can't sleep another any other way.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I want them to stop yelling at their kids, you know, and I want them to enjoy life again because I knew these guys 10 years earlier before their versions of explosions.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're great guys, they're funny, they're hilarious, they're smart, they're capable, but now they're walking around shuffling in in little slippers, looking like old people patients down these hallways, not getting better, and being told art therapy or antidepressants are probably the most effective treatment they can get.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so the one manufacturer's like, okay, we'll do it, we'll figure it out for you.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I run um an initial production.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: I get the company at this point, it's called the Hero Protocol.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's a protocol, and I was like, no, no, no, everybody that's injured in this capacity has has been a hero in one version or another.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I start giving it to my buddies.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: And two to four weeks later, um, I start getting emails and text messages.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, I had my first dream.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: That was cool.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't had a dream in 10 years.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, that happened to me at seven days or ago, it happened to me at 10 days.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Another one was like, hey, my migraines are gone.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, that's good.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, well, that's what's crazy about it is I had really bad migraines for two weeks.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden they started fading away when I was on your error protocol.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't believe that it was your protocol, so I went off it.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: And within three days, my migraines came back.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I went back on the protocol.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: The next day, my migraines were gone, and they're like, So I need to order another three a month's worth.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, yeah.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'll have to run another production line because I'm out because so many green berets were coming to me.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: One wife calls me, she's like, Thank you for getting my husband back.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's not yelling.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's sitting with the kids.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's acting I actually heard him laugh.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, shit, like this, this is no longer just about me, and this is no longer just about my buddy.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is about their families.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is about the kids who were scared to talk to dad because dad was having a bad day from coming to work, right?
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: Stress, biochemical stress, etc.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: else.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, shit, like I, you know, I started thinking about it, and I started laughing because I'm talking to another friend.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is about a year and a half later, and uh, hold on, let me do the water, right?
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm talking to a buddy that, hey, I've stumbled into something.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it's really actually doing something positive.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: What do I do next?
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he looks at me, he's like, You do know you just graduated from Oxford, right?
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Yeah.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, you do know that three years ago, two or two-ish years ago, the army was considering kicking you out because you couldn't find the right pairs of socks.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Yeah, but as soon as my brain got kicked back into big gear, I was in Europe on a vacation, ended up uh talking to an Oxford person.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, you should definitely apply.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was on the protocol.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like in my ramp up, I was you know, heavy dosing myself, and I got through Oxford because I was on the protocol.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: And what's ironic is as I was dating a woman at this time, she made actually fun of me.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, Oh, you and your brain pills.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was like, uh, you know, I'm kind of I don't want to be, I'm still mad, I don't want to come off as like meek, right?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: And oh yeah, I don't need these brain pills, I'm fine now.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I got off, you know, my brain pills.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And two or three months later, like I was angry, I was frustrated, etc.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: else she pissed me off when we broke up, right?
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was supposed to say, wait, I was angry, I was acting out of out of step with myself.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: Went right back on the hero protocol within a month, I was back to feeling great.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Go on to uh publish, I think in one year I published four books, right?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wrote and published four books.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I did the math, it's over a million words.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they they won a bunch of awards.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started laughing.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, you know, like the component that there's another component to getting better, which is your support system, right?
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I went back to my whiteboard and dried out, but like, you know, that component of like human accountability, like you gotta take it, you gotta want to be surrounded by people who are patient enough to let you take it, right?
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing great, and then I got influenced by the woman I was trying to impress and date or be with because she made fun of me, right?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like my ego got hurt, and so I was like, no, I'm not injured.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't need these anymore.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: My damn ego, right?
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that human component of my ego got me to regress back to being a jackass.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, oh, okay, humility is a big one.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have to be willing to tell myself when I'm not doing well.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it's sort of like looking looking at yourself in the mirror and be like, oh, I need to go back to the gym.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've gained a few pounds, right?
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's that same kind of concept, right?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just buy looser pants.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I got all that together, and guys are getting better and the business is is building up.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I have to kind of sort of how do I prove that this is actually happening?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh, do you know Chris, uh Dr.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Chris Free with operator syndrome?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's been on the show.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: I emailed him.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, I got nothing to do, nothing to lose.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: I emailed him, hey Dr.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Free, yeah, love your podcast, love your stuff.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: Can we talk?
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm an 18 adult, just graduated from Oxford, and I think I stumbled on something amazing.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so we start talking.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're having a video call about a week later.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Doc Free, uh, this is what I've got.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: And he starts asking me everything.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, and he's like, yeah, I take all those supplements.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, but when do you take it?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, during the day, in the morning.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I started laughing.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you know, I'm laughing at the situation, not at him.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, think about this.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, if you took a marathon runner and you gave him a bowl of spaghetti and you said, Hey, I want you to carbload while running, and the marathon runner was running his marathon while eating pasta, we would all look at him like he was an idiot, right?
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if we all take our supplements in the morning when we're aware of it, and then our brain is running at full speed, running a marathon during the day, it's actually not absorbing nutrients other than sugar, water, and you know, basic basic running needs.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: The brain primarily, through research, absorbs all its nutrients at night.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: So why wouldn't we take our supplements at night?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: Marathon Runner car blows the days before the race, not the morning of the race.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we're doing the exact same thing with our nutrients for the brain.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, and like once I hit that, and one sense telling Dr.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Free, his mouth opens, he's like, You might be onto something.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, I know I'm onto something.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: I've got like 20 green berets telling me I'm onto something.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: I built a company because they told me I'm onto something.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so he helps me create a market survey.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think I afforded you the some of the charts off that survey, and the results start coming back.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: And people's, it's called the neuros uh the NSI.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: So neurobehavioral symptom inventory.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 22 questions, rank zero to four.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: Are you feeling dizzy?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: How often do you feel dizzy?
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you know have frustrations with things?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: How's how's your management of pain and whatnot?
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so he walks me through how to run a mark market survey because I've never done this before.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I reached back out to a bunch of other guys.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, if I give you a hero protocol for a month, will you take a day zero survey, a day 15 survey, and a day 30 survey?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: They all say yes.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: I got some MMA fighters on there, I got a retired general on there.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: 11 people were on this survey.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: All of them within 30 days had their symptoms drop.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, mind you, the average score for your NSI, it goes from zero to 88.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: 88 is terrible.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: Zero means you don't have any problems whatsoever.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: 20 and below is generally really good as a functional leper.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: Anything over 20 to 40 means, you know, you got problems, made notice them.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: 40 and above means you've got problems and you other people notice them.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: The average score for those 11 people was 44.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they were on the protocol, and within a month, the average score for all 11 people dropped 22.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh, I talked to Dr.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: Free, and I'm like, I reached back out to him like a month and a half later.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, I did, I did what you told me to do.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: I got the numbers back.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, he's like, what were the numbers?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, NSA, NSI score drop of uh about 22, 22.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he's quiet for a minute.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, is that good or is that bad?
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, a score of change of eight over the course of 12 months is considered clinically amazing.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, you did 22 points in 30 days.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, so that's good, right?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: I still don't know what I'm doing, right?
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, yeah, it's great.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, we're gonna figure some things out.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I started reaching out to other researchers, uh uh Dr.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis, who um found out he actually did a research paper in 2011 or 2020 2014, the army wanted to research omegas, right?
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: Go figure.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: The same thing I was trying to, I was rediscovering in 2022.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: He had already proven back in like the early, you know, in 2011, 2014 timeframe.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a stunning piece of information that 60% of the people that committed suicide in the army had low omega-3s, right?
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's not an accidental number, right?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: 17 to 22 veterans are killing themselves every day.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's one dead veteran right now, uh, in the time that we've been talking.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: His research comes out, and you know, back then, he gives it to the army.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: The army's like, oh, this is interesting, and then they just shelve it.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, this is too difficult to implement.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: They actually told him to stop his studies.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah, yeah.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: He came on the show, they said, You're gonna you are gonna cease and desist.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh see, so yeah, the conspiracy, or or maybe it's just we're not we're not gonna give it a word.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's a problem.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um so now I'm talking to Dr.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis and he's he's going through my format.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, okay.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, I do the same thing.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Yeah, but when do you give it to your guys?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's when they get their day gone.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, take it at night.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: Take it at night.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care if you take the hero protocol, take it at night.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he said he starts taking it at night.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what happens seven to ten days in?
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: He starts having dreams, which means so when you have a dream, it means your REM cycle's kicked in, you're in the deepest sleep you can get into, and you cannot have lymphatic function without dreams or without REM.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're like, holy smokes, like if you can activate the REM cycle to support the glymphatic system in a population that is already hyper-injured or uh problem pluck it might be as simple as take your damn supplements at night.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm sitting back one day, like after all yeah, I'm talking to world-class doctors.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just a burnt-out 18 Delta now you know warrant officer who's on the tail end of his career.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: By the by luck and the skin of his teeth and determination, you know, discovered some things.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm talking to world-class doctors, you know, and I'm just like, and then I'm giving it to Green Berets, and they're getting better.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so, has this ever happened before?
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember a story.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever ever heard of uh Semmelweiss?
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's a 90s doctor in Austria.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: So today we would never even imagine a doctor coming in to do a surgery on you.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's covered in blood, dead body parts, and then giving helping you give birth or doing a surgery on you, right?
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: But in the 1850s, that's exactly what Dr.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Semmelweiss discovered was that doctors were going in the morning, working on morgue patients, right?
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dead patients, trying to learn anatomy.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then afterwards, they would go and deliver babies in the afternoon.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: The death rate of all the women that gave birth in that hospital in the 1850s was about 50% because they would die a week later from an infection.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, that's not accidental.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he watched these doctors.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, mind you, bacteriology and virology didn't come out till like the 1890s, right?
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: So he was 30 years ahead of his time, but he could piece the algebraic equation together that if doctors are mess with dead people and then give and help give birth, the moms die a week later.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: Really high rates.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so he was like, okay, I don't know why, but let's start with the blood on your hands.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so he said, doctors have to wash their hands in lime water, that's a basic disinfectant, before treating any other patients.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: The very next month, the death rate of the in the maternity war dropped to 10%, from 50% to 10%, just because they were no longer transferring infections, right?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: And when he came out with this information, the doctors looked at him like he was an asshole for insulting their ego.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, no, yeah, they're like, there's no way we are the problem.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: We are, these are the hands of God, you know, like we've got the school.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're, you know, graduated individuals.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so he got actually laughed out of uh you know the hospital, the the medical situation.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until 30 years later that virology and bacteriology confirmed what he'd known all along, and they were like, oh, we should do antiseptic basic hygiene.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I'm sitting there, you know, the I started laughing, you know, talking to some guys in there.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: I got like, I can't believe that I could have accidentally discovered that you should take your supplements at night with a high dose omega, with a mushroom medley to capture the adrenal functions, but with a basic NADNM mix to help the cell function more efficiently, and uh a multivitam that's designed to be neurotropic.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: Throw them all together and then just convince the hardest part is convincing somebody to take them at night, right?
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: And or take them at all.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you tell a smoker you shouldn't smoke, you tell the person that should go to the gym doesn't mean they will, right?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the hardest part is the human could put.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: But once all that gets answered, it all works.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was talking to a buddy, and he was like, so we started laughing, and he's like, oh, he's just read a thing where the uh pencil and the eraser existed side by side for 300 years before somebody decided to put the eraser on the pencil.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: It made a billion dollars.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Made somebody a billion dollars.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, okay, so it's not impossible, it's just improbable.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: But holy shit, I have you know, a really intense market survey that shows everybody's self-reported symptoms get better.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if I want to run like a full FDA certified study, it's like half a million dollars.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, double blinder.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I can't afford that.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just dude in the army pulling an army paycheck, you know?
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's our big conversation with the VA right now.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey man, you know, we got all these modalities, including yours, that from a repetitive brain trauma perspective addresses the problem, which is an injured brain.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yet you want to produce, you want, or you want to hold these men to these FDA-backed pharmaceutical products and therapy that do not address the issue, number one.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: And number two, they have a 25% rate of possible effectiveness the first time around.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yet we have 90 plus percent of the population over here with these modalities saying this impacted and protected and possibly saved my life.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, why is this just not good enough?
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why do we need these double blind, you know, longitudinal studies that take forever?
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: And all your researchers will make a study, but they can't afford their Mercedes Benzes, so they they go ahead.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: And get more grants to research the same research again.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've researched concussions and TBIs, billions of dollars.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: And we still know it happens.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then the treatments for TBIs or whatever is the same thing that we had, you know, and we still got 22 people going a day.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: All this stuff, man.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's, you know, the the paradigm shift in in just perspective that the VA has to have on this and the medical profession, because they're boxed in with their guilds and and you know protective measures to ensure paychecks, whatever.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you're threatening that with a bunch of you know natural supplements, neurotropics that could that are are having a far better effect than you know they're shaking the head, right?
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, goddamn.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: Don't yeah, ever shake anybody's head.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: Please stop doing that.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like right there.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: Lobotomies used to be a medical procedure, like you know, 80 years ago, right?
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like they just put like a spike into the brain and hope it changed your personality.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like medicine.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: So where do you where do you go from here with this, man?
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: What do what's up now?
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um let's see.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: So the hero protocol is.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing story, man.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing story.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: So the hero protocol is live talking to some fire departments who are like, hey, like if your thing allows guys to get to sleep better and have better rest, like we want this because they do split work to shift work, right?
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: F specifically, right?
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the components or one in the market survey, guys are writing back.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I wake up ready to go, like a spring chicken.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready to go.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: So a fire department's looking into getting uh doing their own internal study or survey.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um the a couple dietitians have reached out.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking to, and here's the here's the fundamental problem.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I have all the building blocks in in line, but I think it's about 14 million people have some sort of concussion or traumatic brain injury a year between the military and civilian population.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: Even if I launch this with a billion dollars, like I'm not gonna be able to reach everybody.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so I've launched it, but I'm at that point where I can't help enough people fast enough.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm thinking, you know, license out the IP because it's a patented formula and timing and application and target.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then just if someone else wants to launch this faster and do it in a safe manner, partner with them.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it's because I can't keep product on the shelf fast enough because people go figure, people enjoy not having migraines, headaches, or yelling at the and getting sleep, you know?
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like holy shit, like it's like me, and it's easy, right?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if it's just you and me, I'm just gonna tell you to take it at night.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's like a business trying to make money, like you know, I had to suffer for 18 years to figure out what I had to discover.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then I spent a year researching it and everything else.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: And my fear is though that it's going to default into, you know, people are big pharma's gonna turn this into something that's inaccessible.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I'm very upfront with like, hey, the formula.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: We can talk off, we can talk offline, bro.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on my eighth company right now.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well then shit, I'm talking the right guy.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can absolutely provide you some good advice, some counsel on how to possibly keep control of it, make sure that it's properly used, because we had the same problem with these sub like this device right here comes from Australia.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is the only device commercially available for a parent to track subconcussive trauma in their kid.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a mouth guard, okay?
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you can't buy them.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone that's come out in the United States has mysteriously gone out of business because you know, sports doesn't want parents to know that these sports harm their brains.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, who's gonna why we we all play baseball or basketball, right?
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's no baseball basketball players in CT brain back.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the the issue is that there is a universe out there that will take your product off the shelf.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: There is a universe out there that does not want you to be successful where I think you could be very successful.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's a conversation we can have offline at any time.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: All free advice, bro.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I've blown myself up every way in business you could possibly do it.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I've made all the mistakes, bro.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody can make more mistakes than Bruce Park than running a company, dude.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I've still made the three X's.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: God's been good to me, man.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so yeah, definitely would like to talk to you about that.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm I'm I'm all for it.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as long as at the end of the day, people are getting better.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we were talking about the omega, right?
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: So omega is really important.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: I talked to Dr.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Lewis about this for hours on end.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: But the type of omega you get matters, right?
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: If I if I just tell you go get an omega, it's the same as if I tell you go to the gas station and get some gas or fuel, right?
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I didn't specify if it's diesel, fuel, natural gas, gas, or like 90 91 or 87, right?
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or ethanol mix.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it matters when you're talking about what goes in the brain.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so it has to be a high dose DHA because there's three subcomponents of omegas, right?
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you think diesel, natural gas, and you know, car gas.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: EPA, which is what your doctor tells you to take, fish oil, is good for your cardiovascular stuff, right?
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: It keeps your heart open.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it's good for immediate inflammation.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: EHA is a much more basic constructive uh omega.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then ALA, which comes from veg uh vegetables and like flax, is really hard to get.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: And people don't really like it because mathematically they're like, oh, it only gives me 10% EPA and 10% THA.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I look at them, I was like, yeah, but what about the other 80%?
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: What's that doing?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: And using 18 delta special forces medicine, we get taught how to intentionally have synergistic effects with medicine.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: So one medicine plus one medicine doesn't equal two, it equals five or ten.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can amplify like nubane plus plus promethazine, you can amplify it together, and it turns into basically um a morphine, which is like an effect of ten, where you just had an input of ones.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so I combined all three of the omegas, but after realizing that because fish, you gotta think about this fish and krill, they don't make omegas, right?
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: They don't there's no like omega gland in a fish or a krill.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: But how do big manufacturers get to fish and omega or omegas out of fish?
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: They literally grind them down and then wash them with an alcohol, and that alcohol grabs the oil, kind of like washing your dishes, and they catch it in a bucket at the end.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I'm hopefully hopeful hopefully it's more mechanically sound than that.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: They effectively catch it in a bucket, filter it, and alcohol is bound to that fat soluble, which is an omega, and then they put it in a bottle, right?
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just like, hold on, that's not good for you, right?
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because now you're ingesting all that, and all the other processes are are very labor-intensive and very mechanically intensive.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're paying generally anything less than$40 for your fish oil omegas, it's actually you might as well be you know drinking out of the garbage disposal.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like you just don't want that in your system.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because at that point, it turns out you actually then start absorbing even less than you're taking.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: And most of it is EPA, right?
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a whole negative return on investment.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: But if you take so where do fish get omegas?
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: They get it from algae, right?
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Turns out you get it from algae.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now, technology is coming up, these huge fermentation tanks, they grow algae.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: The algae is literally made out of oil.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Put them out on a big pan, they dry it, they chop it up, and then you get algae oil from it, right?
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I very specifically, every product is dry powdered because it is the least processed.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because every time you process it with a mechanical way or chemical way, you're gonna lose those fundamental components.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I found with myself is that when I switched to algae-based omega powder, my brain inflammation felt a thousand percent less.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right, like, and so if you think the EPA is great for your upfront, imagine there's a kitchen fire on your stove, grease fire.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: The EPA serves as a fire extinguisher, puts it out, right?
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: But doesn't have any fundamental building blocks.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: The DHA, however, is like replacing the oven.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_01: It might take a little longer, but you're now you're gonna have a new oven.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so the theory, the running theory now is that's why in about seven to ten days, plus thirty days, because that's when the major uh transformations seem to happen.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Once you've done an entire DHA omega-3 exchange, oil change in your brain, your brain, by my standards, by everybody else's reported standards, starts fundamentally feeling like it's back to normal.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'll tell you this, and this will definitely get me assassinated by like Eli, Lily, and Pfizer.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a buddy of mine bought three, this was maybe a month ago.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_01: He bought three, he's taking one, his neighbor he's going over his neighbor's house, his neighbor's Alzheimer's.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Six years old, has had Alzheimer's for 15 years, but the past five years have been the worst.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, he talks to the the mom.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, hey, see if C's will take this.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just open up the dry capsules, put it in his drink, let him drink it.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: She's okay.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Three days later, he remembers her name.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't remembered her name's the name in years.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Holy God.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Two weeks later, he remembers everybody else's name.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: He hasn't talked to anybody directly in weeks or in in in months.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then so he's Yeah, so my buddy calls me and he's like, Hey, I went behind your back.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Well, what'd you do?
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's a great guy.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, What'd you do, this son?
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I gave your hero protocol to my neighbor who uh's got uh Alzheimer's.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was like, I'm not liable for anything that happened to him, all right?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like he didn't sign any paperwork with me.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: What happened?
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, well, he's been on about three weeks because they work on a big farm.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: They would let grandma or grandpa go into the farm and help pick eggs just to keep him busy, right?
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, grandpa's just gonna shuffle around.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And when grandpa, before Alzheimer's, he could get eight trays of eggs because it's one of these huge uh chicken farms, and he would get eight trays of eggs.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_01: But when he got Alzheimer's, he started trending down, and now he on average gets one tray of eggs a day.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, but he's been on the protocol for three weeks and he's back to eight trays of eggs.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then then he's like, then they're like, yeah, but then he went out and he like popped the uh the uh the lever on one of the dairy farm uh containers and dumped$20,000 worth of milk out.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: But they're like, so he's still got Alzheimer's, but at least he knows our names and he's fun to talk to.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just like, holy shit, did we just did we just do a semelvice thing?
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Did we just accidentally discover by you know me almost dying that DHA omegas from algae taken at night with everything else can fundamentally change aspects?
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I I'm you know, I'm remiss to say that because it's literally just one dude that's been on for three weeks that has all time said is doing better by his family's accounts.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've never met the gentleman.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm told the family is ecstatic, and he turned to grandma the other day and said he loves her.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, he hasn't told me that in years either.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_01: So like something as positive is happening to him.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if it happened to me when I was 40, and it's happening to a dude when he's 76, and the longest running guy, two-star retired general, he's been on it for over 10 months now.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: His NSI score went from 38 migraines every three days to within two months down to 18, which is huge back to normal.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then for the past eight months, he's maintained a teen level value on his NSI score, which means he's functional, normal.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: These are all self-reported, not FDA'd, verified.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like so.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting there, I'm like, okay, what do I do?
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I just need to tell people.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: The age of the internet, why not?
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna hold on to this because every hour I hold on to this is a veteran killing himself.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the short of it is I don't care if you buy my product or the hero protocol or somebody else's, take all your shit at night, high dose DHA, like two, we're talking about two grams DHA a night, throw everything else in there as you see fit and want to.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: But for fuck's sake, like, options are on the table.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And as a Green Beret, I've been trained to ignore, I've been fired because I ignored bureaucracy, but I still got a result.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're like, oh, but the result was amazing, so we're gonna stop, we're gonna unfire you, get back in the saddle.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I have been trained specifically to look at problems and say, how do I solve this the fastest by rules or by standards or you know.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um I remember I was in Africa, we're talking about the uh the uh whatchamacallit, the Westgate incident, right?
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they couldn't figure out why the army, the special opposite unit, the African special opposite unit we're with, wasn't killing Al-Shabaab.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: We gave him, you know, millions of dollars in nods and NBGs and batteries and everything else.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: We gave them millions of dollars of you know, new rifles, scars, and they're still not effective.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Part of your mission is to figure out why.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so we finally take these guys to the range, as everybody does.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: And these these guys, these African you know, special ops guys, would take their rifle, tuck it under the armpit, and just start shooting this way, like up at like a 30-45 degree angle is the oddest thing.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: But they were using the front sight post to look forward.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, what are you guys doing?
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Well, we're using the front sight post like the British taught us to use.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, okay.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what about the rear sight post?
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was a scar.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, there is no rear side post.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we're like, click, and the rear side post pops up.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, there's a rear side post.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_01: These guys have been going on patrol for years with scars without using their rear side post.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So their effective uh firing capacity would have been five, ten meters.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: So we're like, okay, so we're at the range and they're shooting at 45 degree angles with you know 762, and we're like the Bravo starts laughing.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, What's three miles that way?
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, a village.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: How often do you kill somebody at that village?
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Oh, like once a year.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we're like, oh shit, like this is a real issue, right?
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so we start trying to teach these guys how to use their front and rear side posts in order for them to shoot flat.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so we'd put up paper targets, they'd shoot at it two or three times, and they're like, Oh, it's boring, we don't care.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then they'd go back to shooting under their arm.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started looking at this, I was like, There's been at least 25, 30 million dollars thrown at this problem.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, But these guys are not talking like professional soldiers, they're talking almost like you know, they just want entertainment.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I turned to uh one of my guys, I was like, give me a thousand dollars.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, What?
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, give me a thousand dollars, I'll be back by noon, or I'll be I'll be back in the evening.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I get in a truck, a thousand bucks, I drive to Nairobi, I go to the only party store in Nairobi, and I buy a thousand dollars worth of party balloons, and I drive back, we go to the range, and I blow them up, and the Bravo is flipping out.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, How dare you put party balloons on my range?
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you doing?
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're shooting paper.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, they're not gonna shoot paper, they don't care.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I line up the paper, put my bravo in front of it, and I'm like, all right, shoot, you know, all the balloons on off the paper as fast as you can.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, all right.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the entire African Special Ops unit goes, Oh my god, and they started doing their dance.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm like, we have to treat, we have to treat the problem where the reality is.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want to shoot paper to get better, so we gotta teach them to shoot balloons.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: So literally had to train uh the squad of these guys how to blow up balloons because they've never seen balloons before.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Part of the trip was teaching guys, it's it's not on any OER or anything, but it's like teach guys how to blow up balloons and then stable them to the board.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_01: We got these guys before couldn't shoot five meters because not only did they not have a rear site posts that they're aware of, and because they didn't care.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so you have two factors, it doesn't matter how much money you throw out, two factors.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: But now we got them shooting out to 500 meters with iron sights because we would blow up balloons 500 meters, every 100 meters, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Then you couldn't graduate that course until you could get all of them.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_01: What that does to an average soldier is if you put them anywhere on a hill, you can do 500 meters that way, 500 meters that way, effective target.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: You've just created a one kilometer kill bubble, right?
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: You string these guys across.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now they can secure their borders, now they can do cross-border operations.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: There has not been a single terrorist event in that country since my team left.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because of the balloons.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because$1,000 in party balloons solved a multi-million dollar international problem.
• 1:22:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you know what, Gotcha?
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: That same level of innovation is what's going to take your product to the next level.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's going to be it's an amazing opportunity.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you say it's luck.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is all God, man.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's no luck.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's no coincidences in this world, man.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's awesome what you're able to discover, not only for yourself, but for you know, the other veterans out there that need this so bad.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: So as we uh close out, because it's getting time, close time to go, tell us um, I always want to give my guests uh time to talk about themselves.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: How do people find you?
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: How do they find the hero protocol?
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and um, you know, what's out there for publications that they should be looking at?
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And what's next for Yatek and his amazing uh product and Yatzek on his journey.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, I appreciate that.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_01: As long as Eli and Pfizer don't assassinate me, you know.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: They they're not even threatened by you right now.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: They will be someday.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_01: They will be.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the heroprotocol.com.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right, you buy go on there, you buy a one-month protocol, and by the end of it, just tell me how you're doing.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of my ask.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_01: On Instagram, it's uh JW underscore Jack underscore official.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: And other than that, right now, I'm just trying to launch a company and be a good dad to my kids.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've been gone for 18 years of their lives, or 18 years, most of their lives now, and trying to try to give it back to them.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_01: So nothing complicated, man.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, man.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Service to others, man.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great way to start a new career, a new chapter, and you're exemplifying that.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_00: As we close out, I want to say thank you for your service.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your dedication.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I want to absolutely um you know pray for you and your company and your product and the future that it holds for our veteran population.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And if you need anything, reach out to me.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_00: We will talk about some of the possibilities of your company for sure.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'll have Denny link us up for sure.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're awesome.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, man.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_00: God bless, and we'll see you next time.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, folks, another amazing, amazing guest on Broken Brains.
• 1:24:37
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• 1:24:38
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• 1:24:49
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• 1:24:50
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• 1:24:54
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• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_00: We will start hosting webinars for veterans and athletes on the issues of repetitive blast exposure, repetitive head impacts, all about educating both those populations how to validate, diagnose, and take care of themselves, to apply for disability and competition to cover the uh wounds and the invisible injuries that they're suffering from doing the service to serving their country or for uh their dedication to their sport.
• 1:25:22
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• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, if you're a parent, your children and yourself only got one melon.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And this melon is the most complex organ that God ever, ever created.
• 1:25:51
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• 1:25:55
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• 1:25:57
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:03
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