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Harmonizing the Divine Feminine with Daniel Du Bois · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Mystic Nerd School Podcast.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kelly Meyerson, and I am so happy to be joined today by my friend Daniel Dubois.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And before I have him say hello, I want to tell you a little bit about him.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is Daniel Fayo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Daniel Dubois is a spirit cultivated channeler and teacher who helps people build solid connections with the spiritual world by giving them a strong foundation of self-awareness and a sense of the spiritual forces around them.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: And he's the okayest brother if you read his mug, which I love.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: So Daniel, thank you so much for joining me.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for having me on.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited to be here.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: I I originally met you and was immediately like, oh my gosh, you have to come on my podcast.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're exactly the kind of person that I love to speak with.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: So could you start off and just tell us a little bit about your spiritual journey from whatever point it feels good to talk about?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I'll start off with this.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I will say the first time I remember having an experience, I was either two or three.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's a long time ago, right?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it's hard to actually 50 years ago.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: So and it's actually, I remember my birthday.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: People were, and I remember from the moment when people were gathering together to sing happy birthday.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I just had this overwhelming feel like of everyone's basically their their minds, their thoughts kind of crushing in on me.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's my but like I said, you know, you can look at that and say, Well, you were a little kid, you know, a lot of people.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: So my next really big event, I was six, and I had a well, frame per frame dream that told me frame per frame what happened the next day in a very small period of time.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: What made this dream stand out was that in the dream I was told, pay attention, pay attention to the details, pay attention, and it was snowing because it was a winter, it was winter, so look at the pattern of the snow.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I was playing with my sister, so it was like, look at what your sister's doing, listen to what she's talking about, look at what's going on in your environment.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so the next day, when I woke up and me and my sister went outside to play, she had the exact same clothes on.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: She had it was the pattern of snow, like in my dream, the voice was still as awake, was saying, look at the snow, how it's falling.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to what your sister is saying, look how things are going on around you.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: So at six years old, that was pretty, there was something.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: But even more than that, I was my whole uh spiritual path, my early spiritual path up until my early 20s, I was taught by a trickster.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: So for those who don't know a trickster, it's generally a spirit that uses trickery, deception to teach you a lesson.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some can be malevolent, some can be benign.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: I would argue in the own of the words of my own trickster teacher that they weren't benign, but they had a task to do.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I was taught.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so I learned a certain degree of skepticism from it, but not in a bad way, but so that I understood what was going on.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it took me 20 years to realize what the spirit was doing, but so I always I never lost that spiritual sense that you get as you get older because I was always connected to that world.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was never kind of allowed to leave it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can paint you a bunch of pictures of different experiences, like as a little kid, if I was left alone in a room, especially where in my own house.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I had to change to go to bed, I would go into the room, go around the walls, get to my dresser, grab the clothes, come back towards the door, change there, then get out of the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I could sense a presence, but I didn't know it was there.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh so but that's how I kind of I was brought into it.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had a trickster who basically used the uh survival, basically triggered my survival.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: What's the word I'm using for that?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, all the survival instincts to teach me because your subconscious is the one that's your barrier between your conscious and your and your spiritual self.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the one, it's your resource manager.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it worked on that.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of skills I picked up, like I was conscious, but it was all to cemented in the subconscious.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: So now I basically live in the flow all the time.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I have a sense of what's going on.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: So but that's the basically how I grew how I came up spiritually, how I got into my practice.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and it taught me how to channel because we did say my bio a spirit, a spirit cultivated channeler, right?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: And teacher.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I was it's actually a pretty interesting story.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I wanted to know something, like, oh, how does uh a good one is how does mind control work?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is an interesting story.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, okay, you want to know?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I would be hanging out with people, and I suddenly I would feel they're like, wait, there's missing something, and then the people would just stare blankly at me.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like, and for a little bit, right?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is a trickster and likes to use the hard way to get me to remember things.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: People would look at me, but then I start to feel like this uh malice.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: But they were just staring blankly at me, they're not like doing anything, but you're just staring blanketly, and I can feel malice coming off of them.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then I would go, like, you know, snap my fingers, they're like, hey, wake up.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: And they'd be like, you know, they come out of it and they're going like, like, oh my god, I just felt like killing you for that minute.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but it it taught me how to read people and how to understand how these things work.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I know, you know, going on in this episode, right, it's gonna sound when I talk about my trickster teacher, it's gonna, there's gonna be a lot of negative sounding stuff because again, that's how it taught me.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I learned how to learn, uh, it worked with the survival instincts first to cement the skills.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I was done with it and that period was over, I didn't have it as a teacher anymore.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: And moved on to other ones, but it basically spent time cultivating me in a negative fashion to make sure it stuck.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I was good at uh reading when things were bad or when something was wrong was gonna happen.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then slowly, slowly I started to be able to figure out when good things were happening.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: But it started off by exciting the survival part of my brain to learn.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a trial by fire.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean I I want to say that's kind of the purpose, right?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because I want to say I was set to work right away.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't understand it in the beginning.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: But so I would slowly, I like to say, I think I we I mentioned this when we were talking the first time.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I either worked as I would say in the shadows or invisibly.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it was so I would know what to do and I would know things, but I wouldn't necessarily understand why yet.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: But as I got through it, that's how I got trained, basically, was on the job, you know, and with a uh a strict taskmaster.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it makes me so curious.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So as this was all happening, did you have anyone in your family or anyone that you knew that was aware that this was happening?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or was this sort of like a solo experience for you that you know the adults and other people in your life weren't aware of?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, at first, right, like, no, there was no one who had this kind of uh there, there's a lot of very spiritually gifted people in my family, but they don't recognize they don't know it.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was only after seeing what I went through that they started, oh wait, no, I do understand this.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: I am picking up on this.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was the center of all the activity with my trickster teacher, but people weren't left alone either.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like some people would come to the house and think it was haunted, and it's like, and it was basically the methods of my trickster teacher to just so you know it wasn't like, oh, it's just you know, the nez imagination.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was like other people were having experiences too, not to the same degree I was, because I was the focus of it, but uh but it wasn't yeah.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like now my siblings, like most of my siblings will have like you know good intuition and they'll have like their moments of speaking with uh spirits sometimes.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Again, not to the degree I do, but it happens.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm actually teaching my mother because she had experiences when she was young, but she put them aside because she didn't know how to handle the thing because there's no one to teach her either.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, from a deeply religious environment, so anything she was told, right?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Was like, oh, it's either your imagination or it's the devil.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: So she kind of put it all aside.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: So now she's seeing that I'm starting to have success with it, so now she's curious as to now go into it and do it.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: So so I helped her, so I work with her actually.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's pretty interesting because she asks a lot of pretty interesting questions.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: So do you think this happens often to people that you know a spirit comes to teach them and it becomes like overwhelming for them?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: So they kind of suppress it and they don't they don't investigate it or get curious with it.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I mean, as you know, right, the on prem, the premise of your podcast, right, is there's the people view things scientifically, and there's the spectrum of people who view things mystically, but really it overlaps a lot.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had a career in tech and I went through did the sciences all the way through school, and I read books on psychology because I was trying to figure myself out what was going on, and I had a love for understanding the world, right?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, but yes, I believe there's a great number of people who go through it, but they're not ready.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's the uh I think I said it with you, right?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: The analogy, we're wearing a VR suit.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, some people get bumped and realize, hey, wait, this isn't just part of the normal thing that's normally happening.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting it's it's something, I don't know what it is, but this is something unusual.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Although I'm saying it to say that it's not unusual, but because you're getting experiences outside of your VR experience, you're you think it's unusual, but it's actually common.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: So people are actually, I was discussing this yesterday.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can probably find ask anyone off the street if they've ever had a premonition about something, or at least that feeling to avoid doing something or to go somewhere.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you can probably find someone who's had a precognitive event in their life, or some other, you know, what we would say supernatural occurrence happened to them.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's not uh it's not super common, but it's not uncommon either.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like you could probably find I want to guess, at least probably one in 25 people, maybe even more common than that.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: But not like uh to people who will have an event that they can't reconcile, right?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right, people actually being taught, it's probably a little bit less, it's probably less than that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't had too many opportunities to really get into speaking with people with those kinds of experiences.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, my mom when she was younger, but then she put it aside.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I haven't really run into too many people who have who have closed themselves off from those experiences, like other than just growing up and blending into the real world.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because when they want to talk to you, they want to talk to you, and it's it's hard to kind of ignore.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like it was hard to ignore.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you got to be like you said, it was about like 20 years that this was going on, and you started to sort of figure it out.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: What sort of led to you figuring out that this was what was going on?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: This was part of your your learning process and your spiritual journey.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like what was it that you were like, ugh, I totally get this now.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I understand what's happening for me.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, there came a like, so when I got to high school, by the time I got to high school, like when I was younger, I didn't really know what to make of it.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I didn't, I thought it was nothing, sometimes I thought it was a real thing, you know.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you only have your own experience, right?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Even people can tell you stuff, but you only really you make assumptions about the rest of the world based on your own experience.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: But when it came into high school, then I started getting like more and more premonitions, more and more ability to read people.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then by the time I was getting near the end of high school, I ended up actually having friends who were also had a very good connection.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: One of my friends' dad was a shaman, and so he had a little bit of understanding, like, and actually it was uh his dad actually gave me one of the most intense experiences I've ever seen.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was actually, I didn't really know he was a shaman until like about a month or so, or a couple of months before he died.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then he died, and I went to his funeral because for my friend, right?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I did the at this point, I was really starting to get a sense of the flow of things, like how energy flowed and stuff like that.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought, well, what does it feel like when a shaman is dead?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like what does that what is that how does that work?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so I kind of let myself sense what was going on in his body, and he felt like an empty husk.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, wasp paper, like you see in old uh wasp nest, how crunchy it is, and it can easily crumble.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it felt like energetically.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I saw like a if you're familiar with the astral projection, the silver cord idea, well, this is like a golden cord, so I followed it, and then there was like this large kind of radiant angelic being that I recognized as my friend's dad.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: He had basically taken all the energy out of his body, said, Okay, I'm done with this incarnation, because he didn't look like his, he didn't look like his dad anymore.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: He just, but I recognized it because I could tell, you know, sense the his vibe, right?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like he was just there for like whoever can sense these things.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is just me saying goodbye, like take your time, learn what you can, and then I'm out of here.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it was very like intense.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I was in a few of my friends who could also sense at that time, they also had that experience too.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, okay, it's definitely something, right?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's the and that was also, I should add, that was near the end of my time with my trickster teacher.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: So it was bringing up its activity.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people around me were experiencing things, so it was kind of hard to ignore when people would come up to me and go, I don't know what it is, but like, you know, we had this really deep conversation, I was really understanding things, and I went home, and there was just something there scaring, like you know, going out of its way to scare me.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and that was how my trickster teacher was.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: It would bring me to places to learn, and then when I done was done learning, okay, that's that connection is done.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because even when I was training, this might be a little bit off the question, but I had uh a person teach me at one point.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I went and signed up for a class, and so she taught me, and it was very very good.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like I learned a lot of skills of the skills that people normally get into when they, you know, uh tarot cards, crystals, energy work, that kind of stuff from the human perspective.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then when my time with her was done, it was like the okay, that relationship is severed, we move on.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of thing because when I actually went to take her next class, she went to take my phone calls.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And when I actually seen her in public, she would look like scared of me.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Well, what's going on?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, but I remember from its previous behavior with people who were where I was learning with, it's that this is how we sever the bond.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: We drive people away.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't have to be fear, it could just be misunderstanding, it could just be okay, it's time to move on, you know.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: But that was the most dramatic one.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: So tell me a little bit more about the work that you're doing now, now that you've fully embraced your gifts, you feel so much more connected, more in the flow.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: How is it that you're working with people, helping people on their own spiritual journeys?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So right now, what I'm doing is like I had taken a hiatus for a bit for well, because I was actually working with one person and it took a lot of my time and energy.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: So now I kind of got back into coaching, like teaching people how to eat.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I became a certified welfare coach for those of you who don't know what it is.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's just eating like your ancestors and then learning why you eat the way you do to make it to simplify it.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so then I started uh getting back into coaching that way and learning how to go online to coach people, you know, online instead of in person.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because most of my work I used to do on I do in person, or I used to do in person, but I'm being asked to move on to the internet, right?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Greater reach and get more people.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, to say when I used to work, uh basically, though, I'll uh I'll be what's that word?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be briefed ahead of time.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I won't know necessarily who the person is who needs help, or that's the model I'm coming out of, anyways.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I would kind of get a I would get either an obsession with something or I'd pick up a new skill and then I'd or a whole new training, you get a whole new job.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I get there and the person that needs the help I was gonna give, then it's like, oh, so this is why I'm here now.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can feel it, like I got it, you know.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm graduating onto people no need to come to me.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the podcast has been ways because I had already started a class online teaching someone, but interestingly, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Going to the female, you know, uh the rise of the of the female divine.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: I allegedly, if I am to accept this, have three women to teach first to make my not to make a version of the weird sisters, you know, from Shakespeare.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: But there's three women who have to be trained first before I can fully go into just training people in general.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a weird episode, eh?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like right on brand for me.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: We can get we can get into the weird.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: So um, I just want to punctuate something you just said.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: The the I'm gonna put words in your mouth, but like the rise of the divine feminine.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: So more of the female feminine leadership.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So what does that mean to you?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you think it's important, you know, and why is now the time um for that to happen?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, I mean, uh, so there's a whole new generation of people coming up who are very open-minded about things.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And they're seeing, you're gonna sound like an old person here.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: And they're online and they're seeing bad examples of things.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's why people like us have podcasts to kind of help clarify certain things.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, right now, like when you see in popular culture, right, a lot of times when there's like a woman-led piece of media, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's a very masculine energy to them.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: The the actual feminine qualities that you'd expect to have in a woman-driven uh piece of entertainment lacks that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: It has the because the view is for women to ascend, they have to be like men.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: But there's an incredible amount of power in the feminine way.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll I'll take a pause here for a second because I hate speaking like this.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I use gender-neutral uh wording a lot of times because I want people to imagine their own scenarios, their own things when I talk about something, because I want them to be able to assimilate into themselves, not have to go through you know the cognitive dissonance, the biases, just you know, even when I had relationships, when I would talk about having a girlfriend, I would say them.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: And people go, like, you're with a woman, right?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, I'm with a woman.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: I just got in the habit of not speaking that way.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And even in my own practice, I usually divide the I say the polarities into knowing and doing rather than male and female.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: But the reality is, like, just like your body has androgens and estrogens to build it, you need both to build your body, but one is more associated with developing females, and one is more associated with developing males.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so, kind of the spiritual energy, or even if you want the creative energy, because it's life, right, is divided sort of into what we would call male and female.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And one tends to take more residence in females, and one takes more residence in males, but the balance is still there in both, but it's an asymmetrical balance or a harmony, if you will.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And we're kind of being pushed societally away from those ideas that these two work together.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so, as the feminine is rising, a lot of people are being deterred into going into being more masculine and ignoring either the power of the feminine or you can be feminine, you don't need the masculine.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: But they're harmonious.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because this actually goes back to when I work with when I work with men, it's generally here, do this, and they go, okay, I'll do it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't really like I do get a spiritual connection, but with women, because the two energies start to work together, it's more like I can read minds, I can sense what people are doing.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I even, as uh have expressed one time, one of the things is there was a woman I was working with and she was sick, and she pulled me to sleep with her.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I wasn't in her, but you know what I mean?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: We were at two different locations.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, I'm like, why am I suddenly really tired?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's only like seven o'clock, and then I fell asleep.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I woke up the next day, I called her because I had sensed her presence just before it happened, and I said, What time did you go to bed last night?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: She says, Well, I fell asleep about seven o'clock.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Uh huh.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I thought.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because really I was just sitting there watching TV and all of a sudden it was like I felt the presence.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Then I was like, Why do I want to go to bed right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I, you know, why what is this pull to go to sleep?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Even though I'm fully awake.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then I did, I fell asleep.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: But when I work with women, because the two polarities get to work together, it's a more power powerful experience.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I was just like, okay, well, you're a straight man, right?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, you're gonna have a greater connection because you're more excited to have the connection.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, but I can't miss up on the properties of these two things trying to work together.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of where my work is kind of headed now.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: So that especially for women to see that connection and to work with it because I was gonna say the masculine energy is for like survival, basically, but the female energy is to once you've built the thing, once you've come out of survival mode, this is how we stabilize, this is how we grow, you know.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the two have to work together.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean, I agree with that.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you can sometimes hear the the language be more about like one or the other, or you know, it's not time for that, it's now time for this, and it becomes that polarity, whereas it's it's both exist in everyone.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the nuances of how how much the energy flows in one direction or the other.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: But if there's not a little bit of both, you know, it's hard to ever feel truly effective.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and it's when civilizations break down.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: When we get out of the male survival mode part, and then the feminine starts to rise, then well, society becomes more feminine.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing particularly wrong with that, but the balance falls out.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then because the male is about survival and the female is about maintaining what exists, we can go into further depth and more of the nuance about it.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very stark contrast.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it stops being about survival and it starts to be about, well, we see it today, right?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: More about your feelings than worrying about, you know, actually doing the things necessary, well, even to protect, even sometimes.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of and then from there, if it's not dealt with, that's when civilizations start to go.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So part of my brain, part of me is thinking, like, but you know, we could just balance this and then keep going because we've achieved a good place.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: This is a place where now you can kick off and do better things and not just go through a cycle of growth and falling apart, growth and falling apart, growth and falling apart.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to make that decision when you get to the peak of survival and start to get into really where the feminine divine power really shines.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of what we're going into.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's kind of my role, right?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's my role pretty much at this point.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do we do this better?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is the advice for your like general person on a spiritual journey?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: What does it look like to do this well?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: So there's two things.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Recognize the humanity of others.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because to to wield the divine feminine, you don't necessarily have to be a woman.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like right now, I'm chock full of divine feminine energy.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: To the point of like, my mother was going on a trip, so I went and gassed up for her.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And had not I just not thought it weird, I would have made her sandwiches for the trip.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I would ask her, like, okay, what are you gonna do?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Call me when you get there.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know, like the way a mother would do for uh I was like, Wow, like that's I I knew this energy was building, but whoa, that's that's a lot.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm like a generally uh, you know, not always a loner, but you know, I have my hermiting stage, and then I have my stage when I hang out with people, right?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm a two-floor, you're familiar with human design, right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the permanent opportunist, so it's like I like my alone time, so I don't usually go out.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like my my preferences don't depend on me.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: If I do something for you, then you learn those lessons and you go on, right?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: But so that kind of stuff is kicking in.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I know, but you don't like so to actually get to my point, you don't have to be a woman to to wield the divine feminine, and you don't have to be a male to devo to wield, but those categories are the usual wielders of those two forces.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna find males, right?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Using the male divine and females using the female divine.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have to like because I grew because right now I'm chalkloaded with the female divine, so but there's still that group, so women tend to need to know how to do it more, and men are learn, have to learn how to harmonize and allow women to take that place.
• 28:59
  unknown: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So women don't have to be cutthroat to get into their position of power like men had to be, and men had to accept that and allow that to happen.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: And yet, and this is why like I could I do kind of find find it a bit weird because this is only really kind of something I flewed into a few days ago.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's the I always just assume like with my podcast anyone can listen and I should just be teaching anyone, but I'm actually being asked asked to focus on women.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, well, then there's gotta be someone out there focusing on men, and it's probably a woman.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Could be that outside perspective.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love that you said that about trying to find the humanity in others because I think that's something that really makes a difference, you know.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and I was gonna say my second part, sorry about that, is you have to know yourself.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who are you?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Are you really who you are?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Are you being yourself?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because, and like you're familiar with human design, right?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: 2027, there's some big thing.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, 2025 is the year of getting your stuff together.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is your last year to really cement yourself in your spirituality, but not everyone is spiritual, right?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, my thing is that it goes like this be yourself for those of you who are spiritual.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: You will go deeper into your spirituality.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: But for those of you who are not there in your journey to be spiritual, still be true to yourself because those lessons will still apply.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: When things start to go haywire, you know who you are, so you know what you need, so you can focus your energy on being who you are and getting what you need to, and you might be the right person at the right place at the right time because you're following who you are.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you don't get the uh, you know, sensing the flow or getting the premonitions, you're still because by virtue of being you, you get into the right place.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: So for everybody, regardless of where they are, be yourself.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's the other component to it.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the see the humanity in others and be yourself, be truly yourself.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Those are some great pieces of advice.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love that so much.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think for so many of us who maybe didn't feel safe or comfortable to be who you truly are, or even just sat under so much conditioning from who you feel like you're supposed to be and what you're supposed to do to finally get to the point in your life.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I'm speaking about myself, uh, get to the point in your life where you say, This is who I am.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so much easier to just take a deep breath and be like, I'm just gonna be who I am, and that's it.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's almost sometimes the hardest and easiest thing to do because you just be, but it's all of that conditioning, I think, that makes it challenging because people expect you to be something different.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right, you know, depending on who you are, where you live, like being your true self maybe makes you feel more vulnerable and less, you know, less able to feel safe someplace.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, what do we do if that's the case?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: If being more true to ourselves, being more ourselves puts us in a position of feeling less safe, even if it's like true lack of safety versus like psychological safety.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I I actually talked about that in one of uh the earlier episodes of my podcast.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the it was about the value of being yourself, but there's when it's a good idea not to be yourself, one is survival.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like we have even our skin color, it lets us blend into our environment.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it matches the grayscale.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: So the things that trigger a predator, like you know, with your senses as human beings, we can load up clues to look for and exclude other things.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's part of our, you know, being being able to hunt is so we can look for little clues like movement and stuff like that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a time to camouflage for survival, and there's even a time to not be your to imitate someone else to learn, you know.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I had given the example of you're a little kid and you're trying to sneak up on your parent to try to scare them, but they always hear you coming because either you're giggling or you're stepping too hard or you knock things over, you know.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: But then you see you have a pet cat and you see how your cat is getting is sneaking up on people and doing stuff.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you start imitating the cat.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's good at first, right?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: So there's it's not wrong to imitate other people and put yourself aside for a little bit, but eventually the kid's gonna learn that they're not a cat.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have the same soft pads on the bottom of their feet, they can't maintain the same posture as a cat.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they have to learn to adopt what lessons they can from the cat and then bring it into how their body works, and then they can be quiet, and then they'll start finding themselves surprising people, you know.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the you cannot be yourself for purposes of survival, and you can do it for learning things, but eventually you have to come back to yourself.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can only ignore who you are for so long, but even just from a flow perspective, your body's designed to process the and let the energy flow a certain way.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you get away from that for too long, well, you start getting pains like even because when you like I said, as I divide it in my normal practice between knowing and doing, the doing energy puts stress on your body.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and the knowing part calms your body.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: So this is why right now, when you're asking what do you do, right now, because the feminine divine is coming into ascension, you can get you can be more open right now.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's the not being able to balance it with the male that's making it hard.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: What's the balance between the male and the female or or the harmony anyway?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: The harmony is a more better way of putting it.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because the balance is kind of asymmetrical, right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just like in a female body, you have more estrogens than you have, well, you have a certain balance of the two hormones, and in the male you have a certain balance to produce males.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: But right now, as a society, we gotta learn to balance it.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: But there is an opportunity to be more open.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I live in a small town, and the number of young men I see with you know frosted tips, fingernails done, lipstick, makeup, it's pretty surprising for like a town that's very small, and an inordinate amount of them for the population number.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: So there is an op there is an opening right now for people to be more who they are.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's not dealt with, then you get the crumble, you get that fall part where the male divine takes over because it's like, okay, you're doing this, but now we're not reproducing, now we're not doing the things we need to survive as a species, because we're basically falling away from the creation part of existence.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And we're just basically living in our own indulgences.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that I'm trying to say people have to be super disciplined and that, but you have to realize when the balance comes out because then the pendulum swings and then the masculine energy will take over again, and then everyone who is so now open will suddenly be vulnerable in the word.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's such a huge piece.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think also it's I see some of the younger generations are much more comfortable in self-expression, right?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and exploring self-expression that is just exploration.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like let I, you know, like you said, like wearing nail polish, wearing makeup, and not making it a gender specific thing, but being more open to expressing.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I've also noticed, just as a woman, I noticed that women in younger generations are so much more body confident that I don't feel like my generation had that kind of body confidence and still like struggle.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, in one sense, it makes me feel like, wow, like we've really come a far way.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure a lot of it is the work that my generation and I'm I'm a Gen Xer, Gen Xers and millennials have done to provide a more safe environment for women to feel comfortable in their own skin.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I also feel like, man, I wished there had been some of that when I was, you know, a young teenager in my 20s, and and there was so much conditioning and pressure to be a certain way.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Kelly, I'd say there was, but you were probably people were probably trying to keep you away from them.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's always uh people who go outside the norm.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I people kind of don't believe me when I say I kind of grew up in a matriarchy, even though you know I do live in Canada and you know the laws are fairly well, not as much anymore, but the law is but the women, especially on my mother's side, but even on my dad's side too, were always like take charge.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't, you know, it went together, they would laugh at the idea of someone said, Well, my husband told me to do this and I had to go do it, and they would be like, What?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you do that?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't matter what he said, go do what you want to do.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they've all had jobs, even when, you know, in the time when women weren't supposed to good women didn't have jobs, they had jobs, they had their own money, they made decisions for their family, they didn't uh, you know, they didn't worry about being if it wasn't good for polite society, they did what they wanted.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of grew up with women being like that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when I think of strong women, I just think of women who like, I'm gonna, you know, I I know what I need, I know what I want to do, I know what I have to do, I'm doing that.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't, you know, so I didn't kind of get I I found it odd to see other when when I kind of went out into the greater world right away from my family to see women complaining about not having power.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I come from a place where women pretty much just took the power they wanted, you know, they didn't uh they didn't worry about having it handed to them.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it was weird for me to go out into the outside world and see women having all these complaints, and I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was raised with women who do this.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Don't tell me it's not something that happens.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love that I think that probably shapes you in some way and and creates an openness that may not have been there otherwise.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that's true.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's why I say again, spirit cultivated, right?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of things in my life were basically ideal for me to learn these lessons.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes even if they were forced in a certain way, but basically, even just the way I grew up, it was like those examples were shown to me.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the so I learned kind of I know what greater society is saying, but I'm seeing, but in my personal life, I'm seeing different examples of what's happening.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna take with a grain of salt what greater society tells me.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you learn greater society sometimes manipulates things in their favor of whoever is in power at the time.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's kind of like, yeah, okay, greater society, I don't really care anymore.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna do what I have to do, and then see how that works out.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right now there's a great demand for that kind of harmonizing the male and female.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: But right now, basically the female the weel the wielders of the female divine energy have to kind of learn to wield that power.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: When you don't have power for a long time, you forget how to use it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you get people who do weird things, like that's where you run into people being tyrannical when they get their new power instead of knowing how to share and how to not be afraid of losing it because you trust in the power you have.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's there's like that kind of stuff happening.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, and I'm very I want to be very clear on the idea you don't have to be a woman to wield the divine, because I don't want it to come across as like, well, all women are being burdened.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, no, it's not just women.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just to be clear on that, it is mostly women because it is that part, it's the the energy that matches the female makeup, so or for the most part does.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, my whole trying to not gender words and not gender, it comes up in my vocabulary, even though I'm like, it's like, listen, this is what you have to do, so now you have to adjust yourself to this kind of a thing.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll get there.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're all we're all just just learning and trying to do our best.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you know, your your initial point of looking for the humanity and and everyone, trying to be kind, understanding, and you know, do the right thing is is always good.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Always, you know, even if we make mistakes.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh one of your guests had an interesting uh technique when she had said she couldn't make her mind go blank when she was trying to meditate, so she would let her thoughts like kind of be a like a child and sit with her.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, see, this is an advice you would get when the divine feminine gets to have a say.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of trying to beat your thoughts into submission, just let them sit with you.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought this this is I actually forgot about it because but I thought, you know, I'll mention it when we see each other.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then I forgot about it for a bit, but yeah, I'm kind of glad it came back to me because this is a good example of how you have to let in this day and age the divine feminine, because we're so busy trying to you have to be disciplined, you have to do it this way, you have to do it that way, but you need that freedom and you need to have that tender side to even like make it worth it sometimes.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that is such a huge piece.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think what comes to be a challenge for some people is not existing in the the ends of the spectrum, but somewhere comfortably in the middle.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you're running a business, you can't run a business without structure.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Structure tends to be more masculine in nature.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but if all it is is structure and there's no creativity and fun and you know um lightness and rest, then it it may not be successful.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so I find for me personally, the you know, some of the growth in the journey that I've had has been I I did the, you know, like let's run with it, the push, the hustle culture, the do all the things you're supposed to do, do it with like that very firm, hard energy and not even necessarily towards other people, but like the energy that I turned on myself, the expectations I put on myself.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: But um I did an experiment a couple of years ago.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: I took a break from social media and I did I did less things and I took more rest.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, well, this feels really good.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, what if I just like instead of being like, wow, I rested really too long, like lean even deeper into resting and taking a break and not putting a lot of pressure on myself to do things.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the really cool thing that happened was after that extended period, and it was probably like a total of 18 months that I had like pulled everything back, I was like, I sat in clarity and I was like, okay, I've pulled away from so many things, like what really matters the most?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Where do I want to go?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: How do I want to move forward?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: What's important to me?
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it there was so much more clarity in that.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that like super flex interesting, taking care of myself, you know, and really taking ownership and responsibility of like the person who's supposed to take care of me is me.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm the caretaker for the human form.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I need to get better at this, I need to do a really good job at this.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that just provided the perfect opportunity for me to get into creativity.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: And to then when I wanted to get something done, it was done because the energy was aligned.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I could sit in that like hyper vigilant, focused energy and get things done, but it didn't burn me out.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: That was the difference.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I I kind of went to dividing it between.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Knowing and doing instead of male and female.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because so I always and I when I tell people about when I teach people about this or have them use that energy to see what it feels like, when you do things without really taking the time to know what you're doing, and you're just focused.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's hard on your body, your body stresses out.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like we could run through an experiment, and you'll feel the minute you start to just purely channel the male or the doing energy, you'll feel your muscles actually, and you'll feel your stress and your anxiety start to build.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: So then you need to take in, like I always tell people, use both polarities at the same time.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Use the both the you know, the knowing and the doing, because the knowing soothes the body so that you can do more work.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, but you can break it down to instead of wasting all your energy trying to do something and not knowing what you need to do, you know, or confirming what you need to do, you're wasting a lot of energy and you're causing damage to your body, not just through like overworking without resting, but also just the anxiety of blindly trying to accomplish something.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you need to kind of balance that out.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually kind of have an expression to help people work with it.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell people help has to be helpful.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like when people who are always like, Oh, I want to help, I want to help.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, well, first of all, can you help?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first question you should ask yourself because you might not be able to help.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why it's important to know yourself, to really know who you are, because you may not be able to help in this situation as much as you want to, and then you're actually becoming an impediment to what needs to be done because you're letting your desire to do get in the way of what needs to be actually done.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you need to balance out with knowing and knowing who you are and knowing what needs to be done in a situation.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to, that's why you need that balance.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: You need definitely need the male to go and do the thing you need to do, but you should always know that is this what I need to do.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so taking 18 months off, that's a very good use of the divine feminine.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if you can hear that clap.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: I heard it, I felt it and I I receive it.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: I it was such a such a learning experience for me and such a departure from, you know, the kid who is always like the achiever, the doer, the like, I'm gonna try something else, I'm gonna go to another class, I'm gonna do this thing, I'm gonna, you know, to be like, I'm going to rest.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I sort of like made an agreement with myself that like if the result of resting meant that I never got to where I was before, I didn't have the same quote unquote success.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, you know what?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is life, it's learning.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: And there's gonna be so much depth to this because of the amount of intensity I put into it.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it really just is so it's so healing and such an underutilized tool.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and you know I'm a I'm a total nerd for teaching about sleep.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: And sleep and rest are like buddies, like they go together so beautifully.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: And on the spiritual side, right?
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you know how to use sleep and rest properly, like a lot of times, whatever I can't process in waking time, I'm just like, okay, you know what?
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hit it, give me a dream, work on it with me in a dream.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I've learned the difference between dreaming something and something coming into my dream.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, actually, it's it's the the minute I sense the spirit wants to talk to me and I'm dreaming, it's like, oh, you're not part of the dream.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll just wake up.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and you can we'll talk.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of a thing.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's these are skills acquired over time, right?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it's uh yeah, it's actually kind of uh almost kind of like to tell people, like in that episode where I said it's not what you think it is, you know, the spiritual stuff, the magical stuff works in a level that's subtle.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: And when you do it, it gives you such a command over who you are as a person and how you can function.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: And like where most people will say, Oh, well, I read Harry Potter, or I watched this anime, or I watched, you know, or I'm familiar with the stories of Merlin or whatever other wizard or whatever which you want to think about, and you're thinking of controlling the weather, throwing lightning bolts, whatever.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, don't get me wrong.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's a whole world out there, and I've worked with spirits who've done strange stuff.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not gonna say no, but I'm gonna say don't hold your breath.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: Your real work is the how you live in the flow of life.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not about doing these exceptional things, it's not about doing these extraordinary outside things.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's about helping people working at together and getting people harmonized and making things flow and making yourself a better person.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Really is the that's the full part of the magic.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the underlying thing of it.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you can do things like the first time I worked with crystals, I don't remember what the stone was, but I was able to read my teacher's mind the whole time, like with clarity, like but you know, and I'll I'll throw it.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: So when I first grabbed the crystal, the teacher was like, Okay, just sit with the crystal for a bit, let it talk to you, let it do things.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of went on this little journey into the inner world of the crystal.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then when it was time to just start doing other stuff, so I came back out of that inner world, and then I was able to read my teacher's mind.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: And even she was at the end, she was like, Yeah, I know.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: She says, I can hear I can feel you reading me, like, you know, because I was always a step ahead of her.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was already starting to do what she was gonna tell us to do before she said it, because I was already there.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: So these are, and this is an extraordinary thing, right?
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: But it's you know, uh something that you can end up doing when you start getting into your proper flow.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, what was I gonna say?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: This is just more for my it, this is a freebie on how to understand to learn what goes on in the spirit world.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, mind reading or telepathy if you want to go with it.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: You get the impression from you know movies and stuff like that where people read people's minds.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: They can read the surface thoughts, but it's hard to go into the deeper ones.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it's the opposite.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: The deeper ones are easy because that's where all your energy is.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you're getting a better signal.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's the surface thoughts that are hard to read because there's nothing invested in them.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to have a really strong connection to be able to read a surface thought, but you don't need a strong connection to read someone's inner thoughts unless they've got like a really good guard there going on.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: But because they're so focused on their inner thoughts and they're investing all their energy there, it's easy to pick up.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: So you can read someone's insecurities, you can read someone's secrets because they're advertising them because they're putting so much energy into them.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: That is so interesting.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's just a little tidbit for people.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: It makes sense.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I at first it didn't I didn't realize that at first either, because when you work with spirits, it's different.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're always investing energy in what they're thinking, and you do pick up more to borrow from an author, it reveals more than intended sometimes.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because you have your agenda and you're thinking about your agenda while you're having your conversation, so that leaks out.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you can understand kind of what the other person is trying to get across or the spirit you're working with is trying to get across because their intention is coming out with it, not just the words that they're trying to use or the images they're trying to share with you.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I had something else there, but uh, it went somewhere.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: I find that happens and it'll come back.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I love what you said about how, and as you were saying the word magic, I was thinking magical, you know.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um that when we think about, you know, magic, that isn't it magical to really facilitate somebody's claiming of who they are and their personal and spiritual growth.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as amazing as it would be to be able to fly or, you know, make a lightning bolt, like really truly making a big difference in somebody's life is such a beautiful thing.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that is magic.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the thing.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: And like uh one of the reasons why I kind of said kind of like the lightning bolt and the weather stuff is because I have had experiences of working with weather phenomena with working with spirits.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing huge, but like, you know, just playing around, moving fog and mist around.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really it was the mist was rolling in, and then I was working with someone else, and we're like, okay, let's see if we can push it back, and then it would roll back, and then we'd stop pushing, and then it would come back, and then push it again, and then it would go back, and then it would come back, and then we just kind of let it happen.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: So there is like uh, and if you think about it, like I was raised Catholic, so what would happen is every time you wanted there was like an event coming up, right?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: All of the older women would put their uh rosaries, rosary beads on the door and say, Okay, you know, and do a prayer to well, it's that's magic.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I know people in religions don't really understand a lot of times, or at least you know, uh the Abraham well, no, I want to say Christianity very much has a kind of an interesting view on it, but magic is loaded into religion, you know, prayers, rituals, ceremonies, they're all loaded with it, right?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because all you need for magic is an intention, the energy to do it, and for the most part, usually a willing spirit to help you.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: So and those exist in all religions, so magic is actually more prevalent than people think about.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's really a cool, you know, mind twist to think about things in a completely different way.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: I that's pretty cool.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: I never thought about it that way.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'll offer you this just so because people are gonna think hear this and they're gonna go, well, how come magic isn't happening all the time?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Why aren't all these miraculous things?
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's because so we're all spiritual beings in our little, you know, human VR suit experience suit.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: But we're still spiritual beings.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, if nothing else, we do have what I like to term a spiritual immune system.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you still have protections, you still have the ability to interact spiritually, even though you're not consciously aware of it.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: So if I were to like, let's say you were very skeptical about reading minds, and you were like, Well, they're not gonna read my mind, and you know what, that doesn't happen.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: So you're shut off, so you've already put up barriers.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: I can't get into you because you've already shut off your flow.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: But you're skeptical and you don't understand that part because you don't know about the idea that you have a spiritual immune system.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna say, see, you can't read my mind, it's not a thing, and then you just keep hacking on your skepticism because you don't realize it's a fundamental part of you to use this spiritual energy or this magic, if you will, and to interact, that we interact like that all the time.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: So because you lack that awareness and you're just looking at things on the surface, well, yeah, you're right.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because from your experience and your observation, because you can't, because you're not perceptive yet to that degree.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: So as far as you know, people can't read minds.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that's why you get these experiences, they're usually stories from mother to child or deep, you know, lovers or something like that, because it's the the connections open.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: You actually want to reach to each other and you want to hear each other.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that's when it works best because most of the energy is because that's where energy is being invested.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, it happens, but it's also easily blocked because we have the ability to block it without realizing it.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and that's I mean, that's a whole other conversation.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_00: The ways that that are the ways that we speak the things that we think can have a direct impact on what we're capable of.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Create our own feeling.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and people don't realize how much energy they're investing when they're especially when they're passionate about something they're talking about.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a reason why some people have that uh hypnogogic effect.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's they have tons of this spiritual energy, so they're using that, and they're I want to say closing a circuit between them and the person listening to them.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: So the words are carrying their words, and you get the acoustic vibrations that has its own impact, but then it's also carrying the spiritual energy, which is locking you into the scenario.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's one of the easiest things I've learned about uh from you know, mind control from my trickster teacher was that you just have to stimulate to get not numbness, but to get attention, to get people to focus.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're open and available because that's how hypnotism works.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: When you allow yourself to be open and available and basically programmed externally, it doesn't last very long because you're you'll take over and you'll stop it.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because once it starts to go against what you believe, right?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or what you accept for who you are, your morals and stuff like that, it breaks down and it doesn't last very long.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: But you can basically temporarily hypnotize people without realizing it.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: So there's all these interactions that are happening that people don't realize.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: One, because they have their own defenses and they don't understand that's what they're doing, they're defending themselves in that way.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like right before we knew about immune systems, we didn't realize there was small bacteria attacking us, but we were defending against it, we were protecting ourselves.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: White blood cells still existed.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, this has been such a cool conversation.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think I want to end on how can people connect with you?
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd love to link that episode that you referenced earlier uh in the show notes.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: So if people want to go and check out that episode, they can.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: But um, where's the best place for people to find you?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, all the ways that people can get connected with you.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: So the best and easiest way is probably just go to my Facebook.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's my name, so it's not hard.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, uh, so what was I gonna say?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know the logo that I had when I uh first logged in.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you see that logo, it's me.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like I've got a link tree with my name's Daniel Zubour, and there's so the Facebook and the podcast.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: The podcast is like has tons of ways of connecting with me.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's a built-in, you can well, you could use Buzzsprout too, right?
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: So you have that send a text option.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I have thinklikeawizard at gmail.com.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a number of options to get a hold of me in that way.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the podcast is the that's your gateway.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: It might answer, it sets you up, puts you in the the realm in the first place.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and even if you didn't reach out to contact me, just listening to the podcast will probably might answer some of your questions or might give you that thing you need.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: It seems to be actually.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a few people approach me.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: So perfect.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you were saying earlier before we started uh recording that season three starts in January.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, this is a this is a new era where I'm gonna start bringing guests on and we'll start working into the idea of 2025 being the year of you have to really start being yourself and really start getting to know yourself because it's time.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't even have to be magical.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: People can just look at the world and see, you know, the election, the election that you guys had is a big one.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: You see how many people didn't pay attention to who they were or didn't realize what people were doing, and you got constant the results you got.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's we really are at a time where you can't not be honest with who you are and not try to figure out who people really are.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's not happening.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: We can't we can't go to sleep to that again.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: We can't make ourselves blind to that anymore.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, agreed.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I want to thank you so much for being my guest.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've enjoyed this conversation.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: You've had my brain going in many different directions, which I love.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we'll be sure to link in the show notes so people can connect and check out your podcast.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: We'll look forward to season three starting in January.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll be using 2025 as a time to get to know ourselves.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna focus on the humanity and other people and being as true to ourselves as we possibly can be.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you, Daniel.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate your time.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I look forward to hearing updates.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks everybody for joining us, and we'll see you next time.