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The Mental Road to Victory: Dr. Jacques Dallaire on Performance, Focus, and the Psychology of Racing · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  in last the essence of competition is that we're all fighting to be the best.
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  Training, conditioning, practice, and even superstition all seem to go out
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  the window when the green flag drops.
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  Have you ever wondered why you can be in the zone and perform at your best
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  on a practice day, but during the race, nothing ever seems to come together?
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  Maybe it was bad luck, or maybe You mentally sabotage yourself
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  with us to discuss why people psych themselves out and how to
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  prevent it from happening is Dr.
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  Jacques Dallaire, PhD founder and president of performance prime,
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  where he spends his time working with race teams of all disciplines
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  to develop the mindset of champions.
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  That's right, Brad.
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  And let's rejoin the action as we recorded live with SRO Motorsports at VIR.
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  Welcome to break fix.
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  Dr.
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  Diller.
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  How are you?
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  Thank you, gentlemen.
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  I appreciate the invitation.
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  So before we jump into what your area of expertise is in the world of mental
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  therapy, let's talk about your motor sports background and how you got
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  into this field of sports medicine.
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  Okay, well, I think it's probably useful to clarify, first of all, I'm not a
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  psychologist, nor am I a psychiatrist.
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  My background is performance physiology.
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  But I've been dealing with the mental skills side of the high performance
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  world for just over 50 years.
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  In addition to the mental skills side, the physical preparation side
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  is something that academically I've spent a lot of time studying as well.
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  I got involved with motorsports.
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  of mine for a course I was teaching at McGill University back in the early 80s.
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  The course was called Scientific Principles of Training and Conditioning.
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  This gentleman raced karts and he was a real motorsports fan, as well as
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  a competitor at the karting level.
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  And he chose to apply a Project that I had given the students within
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  the class, he had chose to apply that to the sport of motor racing.
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  And that actually started off my involvement in racing.
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  That year, I found myself at the Formula One Grand Prix with heart rate monitors,
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  measuring the heart rate response of Formula One drivers during practice and
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  qualifying for the Canadian Grand Prix.
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  So that was a start.
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  What is mental sabotage?
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  Where does this stem from?
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  Why do people do it to themselves?
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  How do you reduce your insecurities and anxieties in the race environment?
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  And does this carry over to your life in general?
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  Wow, that's an interesting series of questions because we could probably spend
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  25 to 40 hours talking about those things.
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  Where does self sabotage comes from?
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  Unfortunately, society today sets us up for self sabotage.
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  Because results are so important, we are constantly reminded and
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  encouraged to worry about results.
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  And because everybody so desperately wants to be successful, they
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  actually do worry about results.
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  And that is fundamentally the cause of their self sabotage.
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  If you're focused on how you're doing, you can't be fully focused on what
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  you're doing at the same moment in time.
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  How do you control your focus more effectively?
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  In the race car and beyond.
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  It's a skill.
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  Think of a flashlight and a beam of light.
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  Consider that beam of light, your beam of concentration.
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  You get to aim it where you want.
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  You can shine it on one wall, or you can turn around and
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  shine it on an opposite wall.
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  You can take that flashlight, spin the head, and make it more like a
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  floodlight, and broaden its capture.
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  Or you can narrow it like a spotlight, and narrow what it focuses on.
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  So if you think about the skill set of concentration,
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  it's managing and controlling.
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  The beam of concentration and where we apply it.
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  So on the racetrack, there's a lot of things going on at the same time.
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  So how does any one person pick the one thing they should be focusing on?
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  How they broaden that floodlight or that spotlight?
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  Depends the situation they're in.
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  If you're on a straightaway and there's a gap between you and the guy
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  in front of you and the guy behind you, you can afford to allow your
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  shift in focus to occur internally.
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  To think about strategy, to think about a problem you're
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  having, how you might solve it.
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  If you're dicing with someone in a corner, you don't want to be inside your
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  own head because you want to be paying attention to what's happening around you.
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  Because if you're inside your own head, When you're in that corner, you're
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  not paying attention to the exact spot you're on on the track, where
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  the other competitors are, and so on.
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  So it's a constant adjustment, a focus of attention, based on the demands
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  of the situation in that moment.
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  Think about it.
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  If you're thinking about a corner you just messed up, as you drive into the
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  next corner, what is more likely to occur?
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  You're gonna mess that one up too, right?
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  Why?
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  Because your performance is defined by what you do in this corner right here and
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  right now, but your mind is preoccupied by what you did in the last corner or
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  what you might do four corners from here.
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  Either of those thought processes are counterproductive because rule
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  number two of the mental road says the conscious mind can only actively
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  process one thought at a time.
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  And if you're focused four corners away or two laps from now, what are
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  you not focused on in the same moment?
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  What you're doing right here and right now.
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  And that's when people get into trouble.
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  They make mistakes.
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  We'll talk more about the rules of the mental road as we move on here
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  in the conversation, but you brought something to light that I think was
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  summarized very well by Enzo Ferrari.
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  He says what's behind you doesn't matter.
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  We talk about that a lot in high performance driver's education as
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  coaches, where if we focus too much on what happened in, you know, two corners
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  ago, our students are suffering from the learning that we're trying to give
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  them in the fact that we're focusing on something that really isn't important.
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  We need to catch that the next time around and keep them focused on
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  driver's line, what's going on, being situationally aware, et cetera, et cetera.
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  So I would have said it a little differently myself than Enzo.
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  Yeah, honestly, I would have, I would have said it this way.
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  We can learn from what happened before, so it does matter,
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  but I shouldn't focus on that.
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  What I should focus on is what's happening right now.
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  So living in the now, per se.
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  Yeah, because there is value to what happened if I use it
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  as a learning opportunity.
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  When you say it doesn't matter, I know what he meant.
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  He meant it doesn't matter right now, but it actually does matter.
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  Much of what we're going to talk about in this session revolves around this
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  principle of a performance equation.
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  A lot of us are scratching our head going, math?
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  Really?
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  How does this all play in?
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  So how do you apply it?
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  How do you use it?
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  Let's expand upon this.
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  Can you explain to us what the performance equation is?
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  It's a simplistic, but I believe profoundly true, way of explaining
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  where results come from.
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  I've been doing this for more than 50 years and I've never had, as
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  you said in your introduction, I've never had someone visit with
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  me and say, I want to be a loser.
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  I'd like to fail.
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  I'm really hoping to come in last this weekend.
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  Can you show me how to suck at this thing I'm about to do?
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  Because I'd really like to suck at it.
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  No one's ever said that.
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  And that's because everybody wants to be successful, because success is
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  a heck of a lot better than failure.
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  For lots of reasons, right?
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  So the really important question is not, does everybody share the same goal?
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  Because I am certain, I'm at VAR as you guys are this weekend, I'm certain
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  that every single competitor, not just the drivers, but crew members,
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  team bosses, sanctioning body people, everybody hopes for success this weekend.
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  That's the goal.
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  It's not a single person who wants to lose.
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  More important question is how do you make results be as
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  good as they can possibly be?
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  And that's where the performance equation comes in.
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  Something I created about 35 years ago as a way of explaining
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  how results are generated.
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  And there are two components.
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  The equation reads as such.
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  A times B equals results.
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  This has been true since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.
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  And it will be true for the next 300 years or at least as long as we're on this rock.
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  So what does it mean?
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  The A in the equation represents my performance.
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  What I bring to the party in the moment when my performance is required.
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  In the race car, in a negotiation, in a presentation, on date night,
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  doing brain surgery, singing a musical piece on the stage at Carnegie
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  Hall, whatever it happens to be.
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  In that moment, the knowledge, skill, experience that I bring.
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  It's part of that A game.
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  It's not good enough just to have it, I also have to bring it.
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  Which means I have to put in the effort and make the
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  commitment to bring my A game.
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  Because I could be knowledgeable, skillful, and experienced, but be lazy.
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  Or sleep deprived, or dehydrated, or haven't been
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  eating well, or sleeping well.
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  All of those things contribute to minimize the quality of
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  the A I bring to that moment.
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  So, our A game is the best version of us.
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  Influenced by things that may reduce that to some degree.
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  So the question is this, if a driver on this paddock brings their honest to God, a
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  game to the party this weekend, and let's sweeten the pot, every member of their
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  team in their respective job brings their a game to the party as well, are they
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  guaranteed to get the result they want?
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  Brad, what do you think?
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  I'm gonna say yes.
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  No, of course not.
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  Of course not.
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  You know, some people say yes, absolutely.
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  I said, so, you're telling me that if I could guarantee you that you're
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  gonna bring your A game, and every member of your team will bring their
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  A game, you would bet your parents house that you're gonna win this race.
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  And then they think about it, and they say, Mmm.
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  I only bet if I know I'm going to win.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  If I know I'm going to win.
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  As we know, there are other things.
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  Because if that's all it took, the equation would read A
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  equals results, wouldn't it?
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  Right.
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  And who in their right mind wouldn't simply bring the best they've got,
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  and they'd be guaranteed to win.
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  So there's a second variable in the equation.
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  And you'll see where I'm going with this.
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  The second variable are the B factors.
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  By definition, all the things that I can't control.
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  Doesn't mean they're always B minus, and they work against me.
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  Sometimes I am the windshield.
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  Sometimes I'm the bug, though.
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  It's a B minus when it's bad, but sometimes it's a B plus.
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  Sometimes the B's are very big, and they have a significant
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  influence on the outcome.
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  Sometimes they're small.
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  They happen, but I can drive around it.
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  Is it not true that in life in general, In everything, the results we accomplish
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  are a product of what we bring to the moment of our performance, influenced
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  by the things we cannot control.
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  I think that's fundamentally true.
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  It is.
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  It applies everywhere.
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  So, where does the self sabotage comes in?
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  When I ask people this question, why do you not always have the mindset that leads
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  to those moments of personal virtuosity?
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  Where you're in your sweet spot, your groove and your zone.
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  How do we explain why someone does so well on a practice day, chokes in
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  the big moment of performance, only to come back and win practice again?
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  It's not because we forget how to do on Sunday afternoon what we did so
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  effectively on Thursday and Friday, and then miraculously remember again on
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  Monday, or lose the ability on Sunday and then find it again on Monday.
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  Something happens to corrupt our mindset that prevents us from bringing our skill
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  set to bear in that moment of performance.
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  So I ask the question, what is it that gets in the way and corrupts
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  your mindset that prevents you from bringing that skill set that you
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  obviously possess to bear when the chips are on the table and it's go time?
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  What do you think, Brad?
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  I think I need to know what this is.
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  Well, you tell me what you think it is.
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  I bet you do know.
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  When you have struggled to put that moment of performance, virtuosity, that
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  sometimes it can manifest, when it's not there, what is it that gets in the way?
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  Well, I mean, the obvious answer, I think, is myself.
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  What exactly?
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  That's a pretty broad answer, myself.
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  I have a tendency to overthink things over and over and over and over.
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  And what does that lead to?
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  Doubt, self doubt.
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  I've asked that question.
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  Of thousands of people around the globe, in many different
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  professions, very successful people.
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  100 percent of the time, I get the same two answers.
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  Doesn't matter what culture, language, gender, job.
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  Or how old they are.
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  I get the same two answers.
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  90 percent of the time, it is the same answer first.
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  Guess what I hear?
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  Fear.
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  A failure.
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  Self doubt.
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  Lack of confidence.
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  Worry over the consequences of failure.
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  Worry about disappointing someone.
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  Worrying about getting hurt.
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  Worrying about crashing.
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  In a nutshell, worrying about failing.
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  And the reason it burns the hottest is because that is the one that creates
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  the greatest amount of anxiety.
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  Think about it.
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  We never have anxiety unless we are worried.
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  Because when you're not worried, you're not anxious, are you?
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  You create the anxiety in yourself through worry.
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  And what is it that most people worry about?
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  Failure.
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  So, you'd say it's a little bit of a self fulfilling prophecy then?
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  Absolutely.
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  One leads to the other.
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  It's tied directly to how the unconscious mind takes its directives
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  from our conscious thought.
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  We don't have time to get into all that relationship, but it's all tied together.
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  But here's the key.
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  When you understand that your anxiety is a product of your thought process, and you
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  realize that you have a hundred percent control over how you choose to think,
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  then You can change your anxiety response.
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  By thinking differently.
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  So a couple things here to unpack to your point of earlier, stress and fatigue play
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  a big part in our performance as well.
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  And sometimes that will degrade our ability to perform at maximum.
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  And I think we get inside our own heads in that respect to going, Oh man, I'm tired.
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  I really don't know if I can do this.
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  I'm not in the mood, you know, all that whole thing.
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  But then there's also the other side of this.
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  When we bring it back to motor sports, I feel that for the guys that
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  are at the upper echelon of racing, it's really about risk mitigation.
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  How far can they go before it's too far?
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  And then if they do scare themselves, again, that fear factor comes
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  into play, then that's when their performance starts to fall apart.
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  But until that point, it's complete full send the whole way through
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  until something bad happens.
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  And maybe they're thinking, I'm just lucky nothing's ever happened.
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  I think there's an interplay that exists between experience.
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  And that comfort level that leads to confidence.
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  The experienced driver is willing to go straighter and more quickly
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  right to the edge of control.
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  Because he has more confidence in his ability to manage the
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  car at the edge of control.
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  The cushion is thinner.
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  He gets there faster and it is closer to the edge.
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  The novice or the person who doesn't have quite as much
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  experience takes a lot longer.
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  More laps to get to that.
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  And usually the cushion is fatter because he doesn't have the confidence
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  to trust that he can bring it back if it does go off the edge.
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  Because sometimes you can.
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  Right?
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  But with that point, it makes me think that there's a correlation
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  between experience and confidence.
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  There are other factors though.
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  Oh, for sure.
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  There is a relationship between confidence and experience.
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  If you look at the research literature in the area of confidence, it tells
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  us that there are two principal things that contribute to this
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  question, this issue of confidence.
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  The first is preparation.
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  The more well prepared I am, the more I've practiced, the more I've
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  rehearsed, the more I have trained, the more confident I become.
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  It is both a psychological and a neuropsychological influence.
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  The psychological influence is I prove to myself repeatedly through
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  practice that I actually can do this.
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  Because I've successfully done it in practice.
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  The neuropsychological piece is, I groove the neural pathways, in particular
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  when we're talking about skill sets, where I improve the efficiency of
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  that execution that simply reinforces that I'm getting better and better
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  at doing this, and then it builds.
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  So that's the first piece, that's that correlation between confidence
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  and experience or preparation.
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  And if you ask most people, When they start to lose confidence,
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  here's what they'll tell you.
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  When the results I'm getting, or I fear I might get, are not
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  good, my confidence goes down.
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  But when the results are good, or I believe they're going to be good,
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  my confidence tends to be high.
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  Isn't that true?
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  Simply put, I view it as confidence being a lack of fear.
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  Going back to that risk mitigation conversation.
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  If again, you try something, you try something and nothing bad happens,
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  you grow your confidence and I can continue to do those actions or those
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  behaviors or whatever that thing is, whether it be sports or otherwise,
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  I can keep getting away with it.
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  As long as I believe the thing we're doing is doable.
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  Correct.
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  As long as I believe it's doable.
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  The moment I believe it's not doable.
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  Confidence goes out the window.
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  Einstein said nothing's impossible, just improbable, right?
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  There you go.
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  There you go.
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  To me, when you talk about the luck and, you know, nothing bad has ever
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  happened, a prime example of the opposite happening is Nicky Lauda.
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  I mean, he had all the confidence in the world, and then he
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  had that terrible accident.
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  He was in the car two weeks later.
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  With his head wrapped up, uh, like a Yeah, I mean, any normal, sane person
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  like us would just be like, Well, I'm never getting in the car again.
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  But not a Superman like him.
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  So what gave him that Superman ability?
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  Fear is an interesting one.
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  Because it has to do with what I believe I am capable of, right?
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  I may be able to do it.
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  Actually, I may have the skill and the ability to do it, but if I don't
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  believe I can, I will have fear.
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  If on the other hand, I can't do it, but I believe I can do it.
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  I won't have any fear.
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  It's misguided because I'm going to put it in the weeds, but it is a product.
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  Like fear is a product of false expectations that appear so real.
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  If you think of the acronym FEAR, F E A R, false expectations appearing
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  so real in the moment, and yet the reality of it is, how often
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  do our fears actually materialize?
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  Not that often.
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  And yet they limit us.
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  Why?
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  Because we let them.
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  Because we think they might.
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  And that undermines our confidence, and when our confidence is
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  down, our willingness to go closer to the edge goes down.
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  And that affects our performance.
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  So the question is, how do we fix that?
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  I think the first thing that's useful to consider is cutting
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  the titanium cable that exists between confidence and results.
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  If the performance equation is true, the only thing in the A times B equals results
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  equation I can actually control is A, what I do, what I bring to the party.
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  I cannot control results because I can't control the many things I can't control,
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  all the B factors in the equation.
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  That's fundamentally true in everything.
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  And yet, we associate our confidence with outcome.
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  We tend to have good confidence when results are good and bad
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  confidence when they're not.
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  So it's a fallacy if you think about it.
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  If we've connected with that titanium cable, confidence and results,
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  confidence will only be good when results are good, but it'll be
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  bad when results are not there.
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  Perhaps through no fault of our own, because of a B factor in the
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  environment, and yet our confidence will not allow us to perform at
• 20:28
  the level that we're capable of.
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  We will sabotage ourselves.
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  It really is that straightforward.
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  So, what do you do with that connection?
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  You sever that connection, and you re establish a new connection
• 20:40
  between confidence and the belief and commitment that I will lean
• 20:45
  into every challenge in front of me.
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  Win, lose or draw, can't control that.
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  But knowing that I will lean into every challenge and bring the best I've got.
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  Confident that no matter how big the challenge is, I can do that.
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  And you know what the great thing is about that?
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  It's 100 percent in our control.
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  So why worry if it's 100 percent in our control?
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  All we have to do is work at executing that.
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  Confidence stays high.
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  You will be disappointed about lousy results on occasion, and that's A OK.
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  But those lousy results won't gut your confidence, because confidence
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  is not about something that you can't control and that hasn't happened
• 21:23
  yet, which is what results are.
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  So something tells me that the key to severing that connection lies
• 21:31
  in your rules of the mental road.
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  It does.
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  So let's let's explore those those seven rules.
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  The rules I created decades ago as a simple framework to help
• 21:44
  people to understand exactly what the thought process is that leads
• 21:49
  to mental self sabotage and also how they can avoid that trap.
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  Rule number one says, if you want to climb out of a hole, the first thing you have
• 21:58
  to do is recognize that you're digging.
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  Stop digging.
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  Then you can climb out of the hole because it's impossible to be digging and
• 22:06
  climbing out of the hole at the same time.
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  So what does that mean from a mental skills point of view?
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  What is mental digging?
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  It's the what if game.
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  It's the internal mind chatter.
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  What if I'm not good enough?
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  What if I can't do this?
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  What if I crash?
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  What if I fail?
• 22:21
  What if I disappoint someone?
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  All that internal dialogue That undermines our personal confidence and causes us to
• 22:30
  shift our focus to outcome and the fact that we're worried about that outcome.
• 22:35
  Rule number one simply says, if you want to climb out of the hole, you
• 22:39
  have to put the damn shovel down.
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  Rule number two is a really important rule.
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  The conscious mind can only actively process one thought at a time.
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  I could prove it to you easily enough.
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  You want me to prove it?
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  Because we can do it right now.
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  Yes, prove it.
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  Okay.
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  On Eric.
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  What we're going to do is, we're, the three of us, and the audience, we're
• 23:01
  all going to do an exercise together.
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  Here's what we're going to do.
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  When I tell you to start, all of us together, out loud, we're going
• 23:08
  to count backwards by threes.
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  While you're doing that, however, I'm going to ask you to solve a
• 23:14
  simple mathematical equation and give me the answer to as well.
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  Ready?
• 23:19
  Here we go.
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  One hundred.
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  Ninety seven.
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  Ninety four.
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  Ninety one.
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  Keep going.
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  Eighty eight.
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  Eighty five.
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  Two times three equals?
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  That's correct.
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  Okay.
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  And now we're at 82, and so on and so forth.
• 23:34
  Yes.
• 23:35
  So let's examine the cognitive processing that was going on in that little exercise.
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  I don't care if someone's good with numbers or not.
• 23:43
  If they're good with numbers, they can do it on the fly.
• 23:45
  If they're not, they have to picture in their mind's eye a piece of
• 23:48
  paper, put a hundred down, Put a three under it, subtract it out.
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  I don't care what cognitive strategy they employed.
• 23:54
  Their mind is fully occupied by that task until I ask the
• 23:58
  question two times three equals.
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  What happens to the first task?
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  It stops.
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  Listen carefully to the choice of my words.
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  Your internal focus of attention shifts.
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  You dip into auditory memory.
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  And you ask yourself, what did he say?
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  Oh, two times three.
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  That's six.
• 24:18
  Your internal focus of attention should have shifted back.
• 24:22
  You would have dipped into short term memory to remember where you were and
• 24:26
  you would have re engaged the task most people crash and burn on re entry.
• 24:30
  The same concept as how a computer works by interrupts.
• 24:34
  Absolutely.
• 24:35
  We are not multi core processors, and we are serial processors,
• 24:40
  not parallel processors, if you think of electronics, right?
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  And the reason of the structure is what leads us to being unable
• 24:50
  to process one thought at a time.
• 24:52
  So here's the significance of rule number two.
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  If I'm processing this, whatever this is, I can't be processing
• 24:59
  that at the same moment in time.
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  If that is what I should be processing, because this is what's relevant
• 25:06
  to my performance right in this moment, but I'm processing that
• 25:10
  other thing, what am I not doing?
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  Paying full attention to what I'm doing in this moment.
• 25:15
  very much.
• 25:16
  And that's when people make mistakes.
• 25:17
  So when they say, you know what, so and so, Eric, he's just not very focused.
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  If Eric just focused more, he'd do better.
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  They're actually wrong because I guarantee you that little Eric is focused.
• 25:31
  The problem is he's focused on the wrong thing.
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  So when we say that person just isn't focused, think about it.
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  Is that true?
• 25:40
  Is their mind completely blank or are they thinking about something?
• 25:45
  It just doesn't happen to be the thing that matters in this moment.
• 25:49
  There's part of the secret of this issue of concentration, isn't it deploying
• 25:54
  it to what matters in the moment?
• 25:56
  It starts with recognizing when it's incorrectly deployed so we can redirect
• 26:01
  our flashlight to what matters So in the context of motorsports and racing then
• 26:07
  What we're doing is with practice and more practice and laps after lapped after
• 26:11
  lap is we're building muscle memory to minimize the amount of Multiple things
• 26:15
  that we need to concentrate on, right?
• 26:17
  Because, you know, coming out of the combination 14 through 17 on the
• 26:21
  backside of EIR through a roller coaster and hog pen, it's very complicated.
• 26:25
  You can be very daring through there, but you can also do it almost innately.
• 26:30
  The car feels like it's driving itself autopilot.
• 26:32
  Exactly.
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  But you could be thinking on a million other things.
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  Who's behind me?
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  What's happening?
• 26:36
  You know, should I make that pass?
• 26:37
  How close am I?
• 26:38
  The guy, do I need gas?
• 26:39
  These are again, what does that?
• 26:41
  Right?
• 26:42
  Unconscious mind is where that happens, and the problem is we can't
• 26:46
  control our unconscious mind directly.
• 26:48
  We have to sneak up on it with our conscious thoughts.
• 26:51
  Here's a concept that is worth considering.
• 26:54
  Our conscious mind's thoughts serve as the rudder that engages our boat.
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  Our conscious mind's thoughts are taken by our unconscious mind and acted upon.
• 27:06
  Emotions are an unconscious mind thing.
• 27:08
  We can't directly control them.
• 27:10
  We can try and control how much of the emotion we're feeling we show to
• 27:13
  somebody, but we can't control the feeling part, because once we believe
• 27:17
  something to be true, the emotions flow from those beliefs automatically.
• 27:21
  Our unconscious mind salutes and says, Aye aye, Captain.
• 27:25
  The key is to understand that the access point to change emotions like anxiety,
• 27:31
  competitive anxiety, is to change the way we think in our conscious mind.
• 27:35
  Change the position of the runder, You change the direction of the boat.
• 27:39
  It's very simplistic, but it's profoundly true.
• 27:43
  And how many people do a good job policing their thoughts?
• 27:48
  Very, very few.
• 27:50
  Even though we have 100 percent control over our conscious mind's
• 27:54
  thoughts, because I can choose to think about one thing, or I can
• 27:57
  choose to think about something else.
• 27:58
  I can choose to focus on one thing, or I can choose to focus on something else.
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  It's my choice.
• 28:03
  Most people don't make that choice, and they don't execute control over
• 28:08
  their conscious mind's thoughts.
• 28:09
  They simply interact with their environment, and they allow the
• 28:13
  environmental situation and circumstances to infect their conscious mind's thoughts.
• 28:20
  They don't police their conscious mind's thoughts in the face of
• 28:24
  those environmental circumstances.
• 28:26
  It's not what champions do, but it's what the vast majority of people do.
• 28:30
  We don't do a good job controlling our thoughts.
• 28:32
  We just react to our environment.
• 28:34
  That's why people are good when things are going well,
• 28:36
  and they suck when they're not.
• 28:37
  That's a scientific term.
• 28:39
  So what do champions do?
• 28:41
  They control their internal environment.
• 28:43
  They control their focus of attention.
• 28:45
  I am absolutely confident of this fundamental truth.
• 28:49
  The single most important mental skill in any profession, in any occupation, from
• 28:55
  any culture around the planet is this.
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  The ability to control the deployment of my focus of attention so that
• 29:02
  it is directed to what matters in the moment that it does to the
• 29:06
  exclusion of everything else in that moment that exists as noise.
• 29:11
  That's also what mental toughness is.
• 29:13
  The ability to do that.
• 29:15
  In the face of the most hectic, crazy, chaotic environment.
• 29:20
  To control the deployment of my focus so it is correctly oriented
• 29:25
  in the moment when it must be.
• 29:27
  Simple enough, isn't it?
• 29:28
  And you know what the advantage is?
• 29:30
  When I do that, when I stay present, when I stay engaged with what I'm
• 29:36
  doing fully, I never have anxiety.
• 29:40
  Because anxiety only happens when I allow my focus to shift away from
• 29:44
  what I'm doing to start considering the consequences of what I'm doing,
• 29:48
  especially if I fear that I won't do it.
• 29:52
  So doc, I think we stepped backwards into rule number three, which is you cannot
• 29:57
  not think about whatever is on your mind.
• 30:01
  I don't want you to think about the next thing I'm going
• 30:04
  to describe for you, right?
• 30:06
  I don't want you to picture in your mind's eye a huge pink elephant.
• 30:10
  Wearing purple boxer shorts with great big yellow dots splashed all over it.
• 30:14
  Hard to do, isn't it?
• 30:16
  What is the only way you could not see the pink elephant with
• 30:20
  the purple shorts and yellow dots?
• 30:22
  You have to already be thinking about something else and blocking it out.
• 30:25
  Ah, use the truth of rule number two.
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  Because rule number two says the conscious mind can only actively
• 30:31
  process one thought at a time.
• 30:33
  If I was vividly picturing in my mind the blue squirrel with the orange bushy
• 30:37
  tail, I probably would not have seen the pink elephant with the purple shorts.
• 30:42
  I use a focus on one thought to deny my processor the capacity
• 30:48
  to focus on another one.
• 30:50
  But then, if someone's talking to you and they tell you to do something, you have
• 30:55
  to turn them off, so you have to turn off outside noise and outside inputs.
• 31:00
  It's a skill, you practice it.
• 31:02
  Have you ever been bred in a situation where, say, you're doing something
• 31:06
  and you're really focused on it and there's commotion close to you?
• 31:10
  And you don't even notice it.
• 31:13
  And someone says to you, Could you believe that thing that happened?
• 31:16
  And you look up and you say, Huh?
• 31:18
  Because you weren't even aware of it.
• 31:20
  Why were you not aware of it?
• 31:21
  Because you were so intently focused on what you were doing that
• 31:24
  you effectively had a shield up.
• 31:26
  And you never process that other distraction.
• 31:29
  You can still use directed focus to shut down the noise from elsewhere.
• 31:35
  Because rule number two is true.
• 31:36
  Conscious mind can only actively process one thought at a time.
• 31:40
  So I actually like rule number three quite a bit because I find it analogous
• 31:44
  to some of the things that we teach our students when we're coaching.
• 31:48
  And one of the things that came right to mind as we were talking
• 31:51
  about this is in a situation where you've lost control of the vehicle.
• 31:55
  Do not look where you don't want the card to go.
• 31:58
  Meaning if you see that guardrail or that arm co and you're focused on it, that's
• 32:03
  exactly where the car is going to go.
• 32:04
  Now everybody says your hands go where your eyes go.
• 32:06
  I get it, but it's a conscious decision to avert yourself and say, I need to escape.
• 32:11
  I need to look for an exit route.
• 32:13
  I'm glad you made that second point because I was going to jump on you a
• 32:18
  little bit because the reality of it is.
• 32:20
  If I say to you, now whatever happens, make sure you're not looking at the trees.
• 32:26
  What's the imagery that you employed as I made that
• 32:29
  suggestion, looking at the trees?
• 32:32
  As a high performance driver, coach, you want to tell them what you don't
• 32:36
  want them to do because it's of the consequence, but you never leave it there.
• 32:40
  You turn it and you add to it, what I do want you to do is this, I
• 32:44
  want you to look for the openings.
• 32:46
  Look for the gap.
• 32:48
  Keep your eyes glued on the gap, and your hands and your feet will take you there.
• 32:52
  You don't just say, whatever you do, don't get too wide there, because if you get out
• 32:56
  too wide, you'll end up on the marbles.
• 32:58
  And if you're on the marbles, front end's gonna wash out, and you're gonna
• 33:01
  plant the front of the car right in those tires, right near the pink bush.
• 33:04
  So whatever you do, don't get out too wide.
• 33:06
  What did you picture that whole time?
• 33:08
  The pink bush.
• 33:09
  And your hands and feet will do exactly what your mind led it to do.
• 33:13
  So you tell them what you don't want them to do, but you then tell them
• 33:16
  what you do want them to do, and how it looks and feels and smells and
• 33:20
  tastes when you do it the right way.
• 33:22
  And that is also true when you're self coaching.
• 33:25
  Don't just keep telling yourself what you don't want to do.
• 33:27
  Remind yourself of what you don't want to do, but then tell yourself
• 33:31
  as vividly as you can what it looks like when you do it the right way.
• 33:35
  How it looks and feels and smells and tastes, what the timing of it is, what
• 33:40
  the smoothness is, how the transitions feel when it's done correctly.
• 33:45
  Because the more of that imagery you can put in there, the more your unconscious
• 33:48
  mind salutes, snaps to attention, and in fact takes you in that direction.
• 33:53
  Rule number four.
• 33:55
  Yeah, I think we're backing into that one as well.
• 33:56
  But to your point about rule number three, one of the things that I try to employ
• 34:00
  with my students, slightly different technique than other coaches would use.
• 34:04
  But at some point during the weekend, I actually have them
• 34:07
  talk me through the track.
• 34:09
  Now they've learned in their own vernacular and their own syntax,
• 34:12
  what a lap should look like based on what I've instructed them on.
• 34:15
  But what I've come to realize not only by reciting, The track over
• 34:20
  and over again to themselves.
• 34:21
  They're memorizing it in that sense, but they're also catching their own mistakes
• 34:25
  because they say turn in and then they don't or break now and they didn't.
• 34:29
  So they begin that whole continuous improvement cycle.
• 34:33
  It's reprogramming.
• 34:34
  They're actually reprogramming their unconscious mind by using their
• 34:38
  conscious thoughts as a guidebook.
• 34:41
  It is the rudder.
• 34:42
  That steers the direction of the boat.
• 34:44
  So let's get back to rule number four.
• 34:46
  What is rule number four?
• 34:47
  Rule number four says your dominant thought, whatever you choose to make
• 34:51
  dominant in your conscious mind, it determines your emotions, your
• 34:55
  behaviors, and ultimately your ability to perform, but it must be dominant.
• 34:59
  Whatever thoughts you put into your conscious mind become the rudder that
• 35:03
  steer the direction of your boat.
• 35:05
  Be careful what you put in there, because once you believe something
• 35:08
  to be true, it becomes truth.
• 35:10
  Whether it's true or not is absolutely irrelevant.
• 35:13
  If you believe something to be true, it becomes your truth, and your unconscious
• 35:18
  mind acts on that, because that's its job.
• 35:22
  Its job is to accept what the conscious mind tells it, and
• 35:25
  to take you in that direction.
• 35:27
  It doesn't care if it's true or not.
• 35:29
  If you say, I'm a loser, there's no way I can do this, I'm a failure,
• 35:33
  your unconscious mind snaps to attention and says, loser, yes sir,
• 35:37
  I can take care of that for you.
• 35:39
  So how does one control their dominant thoughts?
• 35:42
  Ah, rule number five is the key.
• 35:46
  It says, we are in control of our conscious mind's dominant thought.
• 35:50
  We have 100 percent control.
• 35:52
  We have to prioritize.
• 35:54
  Well, the first thing is we have to recognize that we're in control and
• 35:58
  then accept that we are, then we actually have to execute the control.
• 36:01
  And what does executing control mean?
• 36:05
  It means we have to recognize when we're drifting.
• 36:08
  Off the ideal line, because the sooner we catch ourself drifting, the less of an off
• 36:15
  we're having and the less of a correction it takes to get back on the right line.
• 36:20
  If we don't catch ourself until we're way off, four wheels off,
• 36:25
  pointing in the wrong direction, the amount of correction and the time
• 36:29
  it takes is substantially greater.
• 36:32
  We have to become better at eavesdropping on the mind chatter.
• 36:37
  Going on inside of her own head.
• 36:38
  Think about this.
• 36:39
  If I eavesdrop on that little voice inside my head, and I think about the
• 36:44
  script that it's playing, Will that not give me a great deal of clarity on what
• 36:50
  it is I'm focused on in that moment?
• 36:52
  The script will define what I'm focused on.
• 36:55
  Whether it's an external focus or an internal focus, the little voice
• 36:59
  will tell me where my thoughts are.
• 37:01
  And if I check in and I just eavesdrop and I say, well, wait a second now, you're
• 37:05
  worrying about something that you can't control and hasn't even happened yet.
• 37:10
  Don't go there.
• 37:11
  Go here instead.
• 37:11
  This you can control.
• 37:13
  This matters now.
• 37:14
  Go here.
• 37:15
  And it's about small adjustments in the world of endurance racing, which
• 37:19
  I'm sure you've come into contact with many drivers that have participated in
• 37:23
  things like the 24 hours of spa or the 24 hours, the Nürburgring or Rolex, etc.
• 37:28
  Right.
• 37:29
  How do you get them to clear their minds, let's use that phrase, for long
• 37:34
  periods of time where they don't have thoughts that are domineering what they're
• 37:37
  doing because they need to be extremely consistent for long periods of time and
• 37:41
  those one hour and three hour and six hour stints that they're in the car,
• 37:45
  how do you train them to, to settle?
• 37:48
  What do you do with your students?
• 37:51
  You tell them to hit their marks and then rinse and repeat.
• 37:56
  If the focus that each of those people takes.
• 37:59
  Is a perfect approach, perfect breaking, perfect turn in, perfect
• 38:04
  apex, perfect exit, or however one divides the corner, right?
• 38:09
  Because there's different strategies.
• 38:11
  If that becomes my focus, And then I simply rinse and
• 38:15
  repeat throughout my stint.
• 38:17
  Simplifies things, doesn't it?
• 38:19
  I don't have to compete with a lot of other thoughts.
• 38:21
  All I have to do is focus on the perfect approach I'm doing now, then the perfect
• 38:26
  application of the break, perfect turn in, the perfect apex, and the perfect exit.
• 38:30
  I don't have competing thoughts intruding themselves in there if I
• 38:34
  steer my flashlight to those tasks.
• 38:37
  Isn't that true?
• 38:38
  It's not easy for an hour and a half on a double stint, an hour and
• 38:42
  forty minutes, but with practice you get better and better at doing it.
• 38:46
  And the more relaxed you are, the more calm you are, the more
• 38:50
  likely you are to pull it off.
• 38:51
  Looking ahead to rule number six and seven, your perspective
• 38:55
  concerning the challenges that you face determines your dominant
• 38:59
  thought and your emotional response.
• 39:01
  Choose your perspective carefully these rules before we dive into them.
• 39:05
  They actually make me think of a book that I read I don't know if
• 39:07
  you've ever heard of David Goggins.
• 39:09
  Yeah.
• 39:09
  Yes.
• 39:09
  He's a fascinating person He's got the concept of callous the mind which is
• 39:14
  very similar to what you were saying earlier where you've got to lean in
• 39:17
  to your challenges and your thoughts and everything and Exercise control.
• 39:21
  Yeah.
• 39:21
  If you have, if nobody, if the listeners haven't read his
• 39:23
  book, it's called Can't Hurt Me.
• 39:25
  It's an amazing read.
• 39:26
  I recommend the audio book.
• 39:28
  'cause he, he reads it to you and it's, it's fascinating.
• 39:31
  He's, he's a real BAMF mm-Hmm.
• 39:33
  to, to, to be a little crass.
• 39:34
  But rule six kind of strikes me as it kind of, sort of callous
• 39:39
  the mind kind of, kind of concept.
• 39:42
  Yeah, it is.
• 39:42
  In a way, I, I guess I'd add another layer to it.
• 39:46
  I would put it this way.
• 39:48
  Make sure that you make the right choice.
• 39:50
  Because perspective is a choice.
• 39:52
  I can choose to see the glass as half empty or I can choose
• 39:55
  to see it as half full.
• 39:56
  What people don't realize is that choosing to see it as half empty
• 40:01
  tends to make me a pessimist.
• 40:03
  We're choosing it as half full makes me an optimist that influences the
• 40:07
  direction of my boat because my unconscious mind keeps me there.
• 40:11
  A lot of people fail to do, I think, is to recognize that our
• 40:15
  mindset is highly infectious.
• 40:17
  People around us will catch it.
• 40:19
  And I think the question we should ask ourselves more often is this,
• 40:22
  is mine worth catching today?
• 40:24
  And if the answer is no, maybe it isn't, maybe I should change my mindset.
• 40:28
  Because the basic truth is people around us will catch it.
• 40:31
  Our mindset will impact other people.
• 40:34
  Just in the same way as theirs influences us.
• 40:37
  If you're always around a pessimist, what does it tend to do to a group?
• 40:41
  Brings a group down.
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  If you're always around an optimist, what does it do?
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  Tends to bring the group up.
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  Why?
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  Because we get infected.
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  Rule number seven.
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  Rule number seven simply says, If you do what you've always done, you're
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  going to get what you've always gotten.
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  If you want something different, you need to approach it with a different mindset.
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  Because if you keep doing the same thing time and time and time again and
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  expecting a different result, as Mr.
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  Einstein postulated decades ago, It is the definition of insanity.
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  It's physics.
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  In this case, it's psychology.
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  Relatively speaking.
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  Relatively speaking.
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  Exactly.
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  So, rule number seven is sort of the bonus rule at the end of the
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  car commercial where the guy says it with a low voice very fast.
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  The real key rules are the first six.
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  Because they tie together, and they present a framework that if I respect
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  those rules in the way that I think, I will not only bring the best version
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  of myself from a performance point of view to everything that I do, but
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  I will crush anxiety from my life.
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  If I violate those rules, I will sabotage myself.
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  My performance will be less than it is capable of, and I will create
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  states of anxiety that I live with.
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  Simple as that.
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  Fundamentally true, universally applicable, infallible.
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  So that said, you know, many of us are, as you said earlier, the average
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  Joe suffering from different forms of things on this list, whether it
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  be the A factors or the B factors.
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  How do we put all this together in summary and take ourselves to the
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  next level to become champions?
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  Okay.
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  I've given this a lot of thought over the decades, and I'm going to summarize
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  what I think the secret to performance is, and I don't care whether you're a
• 42:17
  surgeon, a musician, a combat pilot, race car driver, or a business executive.
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  The key is to control the deployment of my focus of attention so that I
• 42:26
  direct it to what I can control, to the right thing at the right time,
• 42:31
  so that I don't waste that capacity focusing on things I can't control
• 42:36
  and that haven't even happened yet.
• 42:38
  Control over deployment of my focus of attention so that it is on what matters
• 42:42
  in the moment that it does full stop.
• 42:45
  That is the holy grail of the performance equation.
• 42:48
  It's like the serenity prayer in a way, isn't it?
• 42:50
  It's exactly the serenity prayer.
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  It's nothing I've said today that people don't already know I just package
• 42:56
  it in a different way and create a framework that maybe helps people
• 42:59
  gain clarity on how the pieces are connected Because they are all connected.
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  We haven't talked about how the conscious mind and the unconscious mind work
• 43:08
  together There's a lot of things we haven't talked about but they're all
• 43:10
  tied together Ultimately, it's about conscious mind dominant thought and
• 43:15
  policing those thoughts So, Doc, are you going to tell us how to implement
• 43:19
  these rules or do we have to call you?
• 43:22
  Well, you know what you can do?
• 43:24
  There's things you can read, for starters.
• 43:26
  There's podcasts you can listen to.
• 43:28
  This is one of them, give you some insight.
• 43:29
  You can go to my, uh, link tree.
• 43:32
  address, www.
• 43:34
  dardelaire, my name, D A L L A I R E dot C O.
• 43:40
  That will take you to my link tree.
• 43:41
  You can check out the website, you can look at some books I've written, but
• 43:44
  there's also some podcasts there, of which this will be one of them at some point
• 43:47
  down the road, that I've been a guest on with the, uh, different people around
• 43:51
  the world where I talk about this stuff.
• 43:53
  And you might get some insight from that.
• 43:55
  Something that twigs you and you say, you know what?
• 43:57
  I never thought of it that way.
• 43:58
  That makes a lot of sense.
• 43:59
  I'm going to start controlling that, or I'm going to start trying
• 44:02
  to implement that thought process.
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  And the more you do it, the better you get at it.
• 44:06
  These are skills.
• 44:07
  So they're skill sets, mental skill sets.
• 44:10
  In closing, any shout outs, promotions, or anything else you'd like to share
• 44:14
  that we didn't cover, maybe some upcoming seminars, some tours that
• 44:16
  you're on, things like that, where people could get a more in depth look
• 44:20
  into what we've been talking about here.
• 44:22
  The books might be useful.
• 44:23
  I've written three, one in particular, the third one is a
• 44:26
  very niche book because it's about law enforcement and the military.
• 44:29
  Uh, the first one is a much broader, has more science in it.
• 44:33
  I call it performance thinking, mental skills for competition and for life.
• 44:37
  The second one I wrote out of frustration at seeing parents destroy
• 44:44
  their kids, meaning to help them, not realizing that they're sabotaging them.
• 44:49
  The title is helping kids perform mental skills.
• 44:52
  Every parent, teacher, and coach should master.
• 44:55
  I definitely need that one.
• 44:57
  Well, you know what?
• 44:58
  It goes back to the fact that society keeps telling us that it's good to worry
• 45:02
  about results, that we should focus on results because results are so difficult.
• 45:07
  And unfortunately our kids listen to us.
• 45:09
  So what they end up doing is they're constantly fearing that
• 45:12
  they're not going to live up to the results that are expected of them.
• 45:16
  And the more they fear that they're going to fail, the more they fixate
• 45:20
  on the gap between where they are and they believe they need to be at
• 45:24
  the expense of what they're doing.
• 45:25
  And it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and their anxiety goes through the roof.
• 45:29
  And those kids are afraid to try anything challenging in case they might fail.
• 45:34
  So they live in the middle rut of life.
• 45:37
  And that's a very important point that you bring up.
• 45:39
  And I remind my daughters constantly, I even have this
• 45:42
  posted on my eldest daughter's.
• 45:43
  door so that she sees it on her way in and out of school every day is that stop
• 45:49
  being afraid of what could go wrong and get excited for what could go right.
• 45:54
  That is in fact an expression of rule number six, isn't it?
• 45:57
  Your perspective on how These challenges appear influences your emotional response.
• 46:03
  Instead of worrying about failure, get excited about the potential
• 46:08
  to learn and be successful.
• 46:09
  You're looking at exactly the same challenge, but you're seeing it as
• 46:13
  half full rather than half empty.
• 46:15
  And that changes everything.
• 46:17
  Not to harp on David Goggins.
• 46:18
  I just find him fascinating, but he's got something similar, not
• 46:22
  quite the same, but he's got the account, the accountability mirror.
• 46:25
  So you, you, you list out all the things that you need to focus on and
• 46:29
  then you hold yourself accountable.
• 46:30
  Every morning you look in the mirror and did you do anything to further these?
• 46:33
  You know, these goals and these, this, this mindset, this belief system, this
• 46:37
  version of yourself really, right?
• 46:39
  And you have hard conversations with yourself every day.
• 46:42
  The ACT model process is a process that I teach that is effectively
• 46:46
  a behavior modification tool and it's incredibly powerful.
• 46:49
  It integrates neuro linguistic programming, control theory,
• 46:52
  psycho cybernetics, and rational emotive behavior therapy into
• 46:55
  something that's easy and doable.
• 46:57
  And it's proven around the world because I have a lot of high
• 47:00
  performance people who have act models.
• 47:02
  Many of them are on this paddock right now.
• 47:05
  I'm ready to sign up.
• 47:07
  So, well, first of all, thank you.
• 47:08
  You're welcome.
• 47:08
  Thank you for, for coming.
• 47:09
  This has been very insightful and I'm no longer worried
• 47:13
  or I've got more confidence.
• 47:14
  So I'm ready to go.
• 47:15
  Well, you know what?
• 47:17
  Just remember this.
• 47:19
  If you insist on aligning confidence with outcome, you'll always be on a roller
• 47:24
  coaster because you can't control outcome.
• 47:26
  Instead, align confidence with the commitment and the willingness
• 47:31
  to step in, to lean into the challenge, and to give it your all.
• 47:36
  It's probably the thing that has affected my life personally the
• 47:39
  most in the last 50 years, is this understanding and this belief.
• 47:43
  Not just an intellectual belief, but an emotional, I trust in the truth of this.
• 47:47
  It is impossible, impossible for me to do better than the best I can do.
• 47:54
  If in the moment I give the best I've got, wishing it to be better
• 47:58
  would never make it better.
• 47:59
  Worrying about being good enough will never make it better.
• 48:02
  If I bring the best I've got, it will generate the best result possible
• 48:07
  on that day, in that moment, except for the B factors I can't control,
• 48:11
  and there's no sense worrying about them because I can't control them.
• 48:15
  Simplifies life a lot, doesn't it?
• 48:17
  And you know what it does?
• 48:18
  It gives us license to stop worrying about results.
• 48:23
  So that we can pour all of our capacity into the execution of process, which in
• 48:28
  the end is what drives the results anyway.
• 48:30
  Dr.
• 48:30
  Delaer has helped more than 800 racers from around the world meet and
• 48:34
  even exceed their performance goals.
• 48:36
  To find out more about the Performance Prime Mental Skills program, be
• 48:40
  sure to log on to www.drdaire.co.
• 48:44
  That's D-R-D-L-L-A-I-R e.co for all the website social, as well as contact
• 48:51
  information so you can work with Dr.
• 48:53
  Delair to increase your focus mental control.
• 48:56
  And with that doc, I cannot thank you enough for coming on break fix and
• 49:02
  giving us an insight into this side of motor sports, the mental side of
• 49:07
  the game and having this conversation.
• 49:08
  I hope that people do reach out to you for assistance and how
• 49:12
  they can become champions as well.
• 49:14
  Well, thank you very much for the invite, and I think I would simply
• 49:18
  cast the net a little broader.
• 49:19
  The stuff we've been talking about applies not just in motorsport, but in every
• 49:23
  facet of life, so don't be afraid to apply it to your personal relationships,
• 49:27
  to your work life, to your hobbies, beyond motorsport, because this is about
• 49:32
  how human beings think, and how the way we think influences how we feel, how we
• 49:37
  behave, and ultimately how we perform.
• 49:40
  And everybody wants to be successful.
• 49:42
  I've never met a single person who actually wants to be a loser.
• 49:51
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