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PODCAST: Episode 973: Sun Dont Shine's Kenny Hickey and Todd Strange on From Birth to Death, Don't Call It a Supergroup · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  When I, if I have to know that is a vocal melody that I can
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  relate to, that can go through that's good and catchy.
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  So I usually I won't go forward until I do.
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  He was like thrown back by a meal.
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  You like the the the melody and the vocal line and the wrist at
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  the same time Did. Yeah, I never did that before.
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  So like, it was two different approaches, you know?
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  Right on. I love it so, but it worked.
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  Yeah, no, it worked. And then when it, you know, when
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  it was when I threw him the reins, he just went with his her
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  faith thing. I'm just going to go with this.
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  And it was always great, you know what I mean?
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  And then vocal melody would always so like, but Kirk's got
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  that kind of magic and that kind of faith.
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  And, you know, I guess maybe I'm a little more faithless.
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  I don't know. So anyway, what's up everybody?
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  It's keith.com and I am hanging out with Kenny and Todd of Sun
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  Don't Shine and many other projects you know them from.
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  How are you guys doing today? Doing great.
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  Doing good. Glad to have Todd with me.
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  Yeah, I'm so glad to have Todd because we've talked to Johnny
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  and Kenny and Kirk a lot here at Coast Court.
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  You guys have been really humble and gracious to us.
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  I haven't seen you in person, Kenny, since like the plague
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  times before the plague. But like, I moved to California
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  from Brooklyn. I'm here now.
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  And Todd, we met a few times on tour, especially when you did
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  the comeback tour with Crowbar was really a blessing.
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  Honestly, I don't use that word a lot.
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  It was a blessing. I'm a huge fan.
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  It's a blessing to see you up there with the guys and do your
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  thing. But let's talk about I'm so
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  excited about From Birth to Death, the new album from the
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  Super group. Most super groups are not that
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  super. I know Johnny in his interview
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  with Omar was like, I asked super group.
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  I don't know, I don't like that word.
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  I. Hate that word, I know you.
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  Do too, it is super stupid but stupid group but stupid.
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  No really smart guys though musically smart guys and maybe
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  probably book smart. Too.
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  Bunch of old farts. That, too, speak for.
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  Yourself, I'm not a wisdom. Wisdom comes with age, right?
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  Wisdom comes in with the age. So don't you know, so does body
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  aches. No man, my back is killing me
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  every day. But yeah.
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  From Birth to Death is the debut album by Sun Don't Shine.
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  Shout out to Andrew from Corpse Paint Records who helped bring
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  this all together and make it happen.
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  I'm super proud of him, watching him develop and grow his skills
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  as a as a label owner and manager.
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  He was a super fan basically and has worked in the business a
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  long time. But I like he's so proud of this
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  and I'm proud for him. I know, let's just reel it back
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  for a second because we have like the singles, the EP and now
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  the record. What was like the the original
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  like urge to get this thing to happen?
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  Or what's the name of our urge? It was it was Andrew's urge.
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  Andrews Yeah, it. Was Andrew's urge.
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  I mean, you know, I've been close to Andrew for years now.
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  We've been like, in our drinking days, we were always the last
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  men standing, you know, so we had a deep relationship with
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  alcohol and I was best man in his wedding and Peter was there
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  and, you know, a great story. All right?
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  We got so drunk at his wedding that on his wedding night I
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  passed out and he passed out on the chair next to me and his
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  wife was sleeping in the room and then she had to drive me to
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  the airport the next morning, 8:00 in the morning.
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  That's how close to drinking buddies we love.
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  But so also he was also drinking buddies with Kirk because he
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  lived in New Orleans. So like, you know, he hung out
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  at all the usual watering holes and was a huge fan of of crowbar
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  too as well and down and he was touring the typo for a long
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  time. I had him out as my merch guy.
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  So he's more than just like a, you know, big fanboy.
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  He was actually a work working in the business, you know, so I
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  know it was his brainchild who's like, I want to see what would
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  happen if I put all you guys in a room and we were just like, I
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  mean, I don't know Kirk for years, you know what I mean?
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  And I, I, I, you could hear the similarities and styles and
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  like, it might work. You know what I mean?
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  So I got to hear it. And Kirk Brook taught in, you
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  know, Andrew, he found some time when we were all like available.
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  And he was like, I'm going to book the.
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  Miracle. That's the whole miracle, I
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  think the. Only way you're going to get
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  lazy musicians to do anything. I booked all the flights, I
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  booked the time in the in the rehearsal studio.
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  I booked everything, I paid for everything.
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  That's the only way you're going to get us to do anything.
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  Right. And you got two days to do it.
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  Always said was OK, OK. And then before we knew it, it
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  was like winter and we had tickets to go to Florida.
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  I think. Where did we rehearse again,
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  Todd? It was.
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  It was in Sarasota. Yeah, I think it was Sarasota
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  and then we went to Gainesville, I think there.
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  It was a pretty famous rehearsal.
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  I think we I didn't a famous band.
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  I don't know. Yeah, I forget.
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  I was too nervous because I hadn't skipped with anybody for
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  five years. Lynyrd Skynyrd have recorded
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  this rehearsal space. So I just remember having AI
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  looked at my phone. I had a couple of riffs.
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  The riff to be opening riff for Dreams Always Died with the Sun.
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  All right, wasn't called that wasn't called anything, but it
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  was really slow and turds like it was totally different.
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  And I sent that over to Kirk and the guys and and another idea.
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  And then Kirk was like, oh, I got an idea to go with that and
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  got on a plane and got into a rehearsal studio and just like
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  laid the ideas down out on the line.
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  Within like an hour, I think we had the arrangement, loose
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  arrangement for a song. It was just like muttering
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  bullshit lines into the microphone.
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  You know, I had no idea what we were gonna do.
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  It's always nerve racking, right, Todd?
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  I mean, we didn't know, you know, you never know until you
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  get into a room was gonna happen.
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  It'd be really embarrassing or. Well, with me, I hadn't been
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  jamming with anybody for years. I had to knock the dust off the
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  base day whenever he called me up.
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  But that's good though, at least you know.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back of life, you know what I
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  mean? And you know.
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  Oh, yeah. But so it could be that it could
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  be really embarrassing or mediocre or it could be, you
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  know, chances are one in the million, it could be great.
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  So we kind of like threw some arrangements together and the
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  next day we got in a van, a Roche infested van that Andrew
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  rented. You remember that motherfucker
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  sitting in a van? We drove to Tallahassee, I
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  think, or Jacksonville. Jacksonville, The Gator House,
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  right? I don't know.
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  I think we went to Gainesville. Gainesville, yeah.
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  It was like a four hour drive, I remember that.
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  We just noticed suddenly that there was roaches all over the
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  place. You know we're in.
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  Just like home. Just like.
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  The next day we're like, OK, let's jam this.
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  And we just jammed it and like Johnny was leaving the next day.
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  So like, well, we got to have drums, but we don't even know
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  where the song is going, how it's going to end.
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  So we tried 18 different endings we had down with the.
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  Drums, right? Literally he left and I was
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  left. Like we were left like, all
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  right, we got to arrange this into something.
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  And that's what we did. We just cut, slipped the rings
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  into something. I think the next day I was
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  writing the lyrics in the van and the way there, you know, the
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  rest is history. But we thought that, you know,
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  we were just going to come in, do a song, have a good time, say
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  goodbye, guys. But like, I don't know, it was a
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  really big feeling of energy, of great partners of energy when it
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  was done. And it was a lot of adrenaline.
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  And we're like, wow, this is really cool.
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  So it kind of motivated us to say, well, maybe we, you know,
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  we want to do some more. So we grew from there.
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  Yeah. But that was the C It was all
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  Andrew, No. Killer.
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  Yeah. He's the best man.
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  I've gotten to be friends with him.
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  We bumped into each other in Vegas, weirdly, at Danzig and
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  down. It was great.
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  Like, you know, there's a love there.
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  He's great. Yeah.
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  I don't want to misspeak. He talks so little about himself
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  that I think, like, the full story is not quite out there.
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  I know that he worked. Like he's like Auntie LA.
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  I think that's probably a NOLA thing, right?
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  By the way, the the studio we recorded at was called the Moat
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  House and the engineer and Co producer was Roger Lima.
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  We want to put, we put it together, arson him with like in
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  a four or five hour time period. So like, you know, if you you
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  know, the records killer, we heard some of it in the way of
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  the singles in the EPI think it was brilliantly put out.
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  And then like for me, like obviously it, you know, like
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  when you imagine all these players coming together, what
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  it's going to sound like. But then there's all new
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  flavors. And I know from talking to you,
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  Kenny, that you like a lot more music than you're known for.
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  And I've talked to Kirk many times and we usually land on
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  like, Thin Lizzy hardcore punk and like, you know, yeah, but
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  yeah. But also like, you know, there's
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  like a heavy Beatles thing in here.
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  There's like AI hear like a King's X thing in your vocals,
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  probably your best vocal performance.
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  And I love, you know, how I feel about the Silver Tomb stuff,
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  which you're waiting for new one, the new one.
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  But like, like a phenomenal melodies and vocals, man.
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  And I know that's a thing that's really important to you, and I
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  think you absolutely knocked it out of.
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  The park. Thank you.
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  That's mostly important for me. Yeah.
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  I mean, like, me and Kurt got a little bit of a different
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  approach. He's like, we'll write all the
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  rips first and then you vocals will come later.
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  I can't like I don't have that kind of faith.
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  So when I when I, if I have to know that is a vocal melody that
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  I can relate to that can go through that's good and catch
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  you. So I usually I won't go forward
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  until I do. He was like thrown back by a
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  meal. You like the the the melody and
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  the vocal line and the wrist at the same time Did.
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  Yeah, I never did that before. So like, it was two different
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  approaches, you know? Right on.
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  I love it so, but it worked. Yeah, no, it worked.
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  And then when it, you know, when it was when I threw him the
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  reins, he just went with his her faith thing.
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  I'm just going to go with this. And it was always great, you
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  know what I mean? And then vocal melody would
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  always come. So like, but Kirk's got that
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  kind of magic and that kind of faith.
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  And, you know, I guess maybe I'm a little more faithless.
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  I don't. Know like I got to trust.
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  Myself, I got to know, you know? I got to know.
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  That freaks me out, you know? Yeah, yeah.
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  And I love his confidence. That's that's got to be like
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  exciting to be in a band with a dude who's like, I know anything
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  I put out will be tight, you know, tight.
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  He taught me a lot. And just being, you know,
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  anytime you work with great musicians, you learn.
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  I mean, that's why you should always get out of your closet.
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  There's a lot of kids today recording their closets, you
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  know, and you never get better when you're playing with great
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  musicians. It makes you better, you know,
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  And I learned just to shoot from the hip a little bit, loosen up
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  and have faith. Like that's, that's how Kirk
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  approaches it. And I think it's, it's a great
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  organic, great approach it you know.
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  Right on. And Todd, once you've knocked
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  that rust off and got comfortable again, man, you got
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  to lay down the rhythm with, you know, put down baselines, you
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  know, against these guys and Johnny, who, you know, we know
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  what a what a great drummer Johnny is.
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  How is it for you? Like when you start to put your
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  own, you know your market? I've been fortunate because I've
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  always played with good drummers, you know, I mean,
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  pretty much every drummer I've played with, it's been good.
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  So it kind of forces you. No, it is too.
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  It's very rare. I consider myself very lucky.
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  Very, very lucky. There's too many guitarists,
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  there's not a whole lot of drummers and it's definitely.
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  Good drummers. Not a whole lot of good
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  drummers, that's for sure. And with, yeah, I mean, I don't
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  know. I still think I knocked the dust
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  off. I'm still knocking the dust off
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  my play. But no, I mean, we, we, we with
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  Kenny, you got to watch him, especially once he gets on his.
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  What was that you were drinking those drinks to?
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  You were drinking your energy drinks.
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  I'm off for them now. Because I'd be in there laying,
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  laying a trying to lay a bass track down get.
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  Out. Yeah, I tell everybody I'm
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  probably the least talented one in the band, but I mean, you
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  know, I listen very well. It's not true you came up with
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  that big riff for for what you are.
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  Yeah, but You Are is one of the best songs on the record.
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  That's his riff. He started that.
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  Yeah, one of my favorites, man. And of course it sounds like you
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  like yeah, man, don't knock yourself.
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  It's the world's going to kick you all the time.
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  Don't help it, you know bro. I don't worry about that.
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  If I worried about what I what people thought, I'd never get
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  out of bed in the morning. That's it, That's it.
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  That's it, man. Yeah.
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  What a what a wonderful record to come together and and what a
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  good record for the like. We already have a very strong
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  year of music. It's only the first third of the
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  year is gone somehow because time is crazy now.
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  But I'm saying time warping. Flying.
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  Reality is terrible but like this music is wonderful man.
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  I needed this to help me heal, healing me from my shit this
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  year and I'm sure it was helpful for y'all you know?
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  Obviously, you know, the, you know, we don't get a lot of
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  records like this. This is just stands by itself.
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  There's like, OK, like there's a lot of new music coming every
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  day. Like it's cool to hear something
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  really original sounding and, and, and great.
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  You know, it's, it's tough, it's tough out there to to like, you
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  know, it's lucky you guys, you know, it's, it's a lot of bands
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  have reputations, but you actually lived up to the the
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  combination of. It well, I think we, you know,
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  we put a lot of hard work into it.
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  You know we didn't. We tried not to fall short, you
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  know what I mean? And not only that, we didn't
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  limit ourselves either to not, you know, whenever it came to,
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  to writing and all that, I mean, it, it, it wasn't like we
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  figured we had to write a certain genre of music.
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  I mean, we just pretty much, it came from our hearts and it came
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  from what we grew up on, so. Just mixing stuff up, everything
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  we want to hear and then we like to hear.
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  Yeah. Right on.
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  So then of course, the next question I've been asked so many
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  questions about this is, you know, I know you guys signed
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  with a booking agency and Crowbar is very busy.
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  Johnny's very busy. You know, will we see some tours
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  or festivals at some point in the next year or?
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  So yeah. I hope so.
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  I think we all hope so, yeah. Kirk's really busy right now, so
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  we just we got to get a window of charm.
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  I think it would be great if like if we just toured with
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  Crowbar. Might be the only way we get the
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  tour. Yeah, they do.
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  They doing great right now man. They're doing fantastic.
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  So, yeah. And it'd just be more, you know,
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  it'd just be promoting more of his own music, Yeah.
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  Maybe we'll just chain Kirk to the stage.
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  We'll make him do his solo material.
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  We'll get Josta in there. We'll make him do all the bands
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  down. Crowbar.
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  Sun don't shine, you know, and I know again, like I know Johnny
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  is book solid for a while, so I know it's hard to get time.
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  Kirk just sucks me. Oh, yeah.
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  Nice. We're talking about you.
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  His birthday. A good wedding.
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  That's it. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's good. I love that guy.
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  Kirk and Robin are some of my favorite people in All the Rock
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  Man. Like I love.
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  Them. He's an amazing person.
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  Yeah. Sweetest guy ever.
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  Very genuine. Yep.
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  Yeah. You get what you you get what
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  you see with Kirk, you know what I'd say he's a real thing.
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  He seems genuine. Yeah, it seems.
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  Like it so obviously touring and then, you know, I would hope
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  this is just came out, but I would hope it would be, you
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  know, the seed to eventually come back someday and do some
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  more get a lot of. Ideas.
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  I think we're talking about doing more.
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  Right now. But let's enjoy this like, you
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  know, I want this record to have whatever, you know, the best
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  possible legs it can have. And I I hope if you guys, you
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  know, I know that bands, they don't really make a lot of money
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  unless they get on the road. And the road is very expensive
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  and challenging now. So, you know, I'm rooting for
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  the best possible case. I can't imagine that like the
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  big European festivals would love to host you guys and.
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  We're going to, yeah, we got off.
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  You know, we do have off. It's just a matter of getting
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  everybody available at the same time.
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  I, I think the main thing is once we get in a room and we
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  actually play these songs as a band, I, I, I think the, the,
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  the actual touring, I think that way it'll fall in his own.
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  It's going to be. Great.
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  I mean, I think it's. Going to mean you got to you got
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  to realize so many songs we've never played together as a band.
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  It's all just been studio so far.
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  Well, you know, yeah. Not, not in the arrangement like
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  some of the stuff, like just like playing along with Johnny
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  into an illusory arrangement and then coming home to my studio
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  and actually arranging it and making it.
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  So are you right? Some of the songs we never
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  actually played through at all. Yeah.
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  Yep. And then I mean the last three
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  songs. I mean, we got that thing with,
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  but basically we we do the songs, but then we wouldn't
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  really play them and Johnny had to leave.
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  Yeah. And then we'd finish the songs
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  up, so. We did actually play through
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  power to live. We we actually live created that
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  from beginning to. Act, that's amazing.
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  I couldn't tell. If you told me I couldn't, I
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  wouldn't have known. And then also all you wasted
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  too. We can't we we stood with it
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  like the whole. Thing and then we just Oh yeah,
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  when we're doing the videos. Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Don't which hopefully we get our videos pretty soon.
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  Yeah, man. You wanna get on Hold the beast,
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  Hold the beast is holding video. Ohh.
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  He's OK. He's holding our beast.
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  Holding. Eyes.
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  Ohh, gosh, his his poor hands with all those guys.
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  Anyway, I know he's great too. Yeah, I love yeah, like I we'd
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  love to see some more content and stuff like that.
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  But you know, Todd, you mentioned Crow.
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  You know crowbar is doing huge right now.
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  They're having a. Moment.
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  Oh yeah, they're doing awesome. A lot of people are discovering
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  them for the first time, and you're part of that history
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  also. And also we just had the
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  anniversary for Down. So like this is a very nice, you
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  know, I hope that like your people are, you know, reacting
• 17:09
  positively and including you in their good, you know, vibes
• 17:13
  about all these projects you contributed to over the years,
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  Man, because I, I'm a. Huge fan.
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  It's like revenge of the old guy.
• 17:20
  Revenge of the Nerds is revenge of the old man that.
• 17:25
  Could be revenge. Revenge of the Fools.
• 17:28
  Revenge of the senior citizens. Right on, right on.
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  But yeah, man, I'm really proud of Utah and I'm really happy.
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  Like I hope this blow up for Crowbar helps include you in
• 17:37
  that, you know, and again in those fives.
• 17:39
  Oh yeah? Well, you got to realize if you
• 17:43
  look at the band now, there's no more fat guys in the band, so.
• 17:47
  Yes, all the fat guy memes, the cat crowbar memes, the jet How
• 17:52
  do I get how do I gain weight and masses of you know, listen
• 17:56
  to this crowbar album right so. You're right.
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  I'm living proof, check me out. I was the before and the after.
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  Guy, but yeah. Kirk.
• 18:04
  Kirk is trimmed down a little bit, so that's nice.
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  He's. In great shape.
• 18:08
  Zach Zach is a very high calorie person.
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  I've hung out with him. He's he might be a Red Bull fan.
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  He's probably like his he's got like a metabolism like a
• 18:17
  superhero. So like, I don't know, he would
• 18:19
  never get with fat that guy. And then and then for you,
• 18:25
  Kenny, just really quick. I know again, I said offline
• 18:28
  it's a heavy day in general, But like I know there's a lot of
• 18:30
  chatter about like this live typo album and I don't know if
• 18:33
  you have any updates to share with us or and or maybe I know
• 18:37
  you guys both said you'd be open to like a tribute show or
• 18:40
  celebratory one off thing with other people singing, but I
• 18:44
  don't know. There's nothing in the definite
• 18:46
  works right now that we've just been talk about.
• 18:48
  As far as the tribute show, I would be willing to do it, of
• 18:51
  course. And As for the live tracks, I'm
• 18:53
  up to Love you to death right now.
• 18:54
  So I'm going over those traps. I'm deaf from notes right now.
• 18:58
  But it's a trip. It's a trip is delving into this
• 19:01
  stuff and it's like a teleportation back in time.
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  So like, I feel like I'm on stage, like I can, you know,
• 19:07
  like playing along to Johnny's hi hat, you know, I feel like
• 19:10
  I've just been teleported back, you know, And it's it's it's
• 19:12
  just a wild experience, you know, and everything comes back
• 19:15
  to me like second nature because I guess, you know, played these
• 19:18
  songs 1000 * 1000 years ago. But it just floods back to me.
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  And it's been a great experience so far.
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  So I'm going to enjoy going through every track in in the
• 19:26
  whole set and getting it all right, you know, because I don't
• 19:30
  think anybody knows the way really should sound except for
• 19:33
  be Josh and Johnny, you know, So I'm going to have to help the
• 19:35
  mixer get through it You. Know is Josh involved at all or
• 19:38
  is he just? Yeah, she was here for one day.
• 19:40
  He drove me crazy for one day for about four hours.
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  But no, no, But he had some great scope of, you know, ideas
• 19:47
  on how to make it more typo and get the identity back into it
• 19:50
  and stuff. You know, as far as production
• 19:52
  tricks and and what to do. Nice.
• 19:54
  Work. Well, of course, he produced a
• 19:55
  lot of records himself, right? And he's, he would know.
• 19:58
  He was part of it, yeah. Do we do we know what label
• 20:02
  that's going to come out on? I felt like you guys were signed
• 20:05
  to Nuclear Blast for the type of but.
• 20:07
  I wasn't sure. It's going to be a new blast.
• 20:09
  Yeah, All right, cool. Just just confirming for me.
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  That was cool. I'm sorry to sidebar off on that
• 20:13
  stuff, but I get. No, that's fine.
• 20:15
  That's cool. No, I respect.
• 20:16
  It's just another thing I'm doing, you know?
• 20:18
  Just one more thing you're working on Silver Tomb,
• 20:19
  hopefully coming soon. As yeah, you know, Dwayne,
• 20:22
  Dwayne Seminole saying that who produced the Sunshine stuff is
• 20:26
  producing, is mixing that stuff. So all the Silver Tomb tracks
• 20:29
  were recording in in in my studio fucking some of the best
• 20:31
  guitar tracks I've ever done, definitely.
• 20:33
  And bass tracks and vocal tracks.
• 20:35
  All right. Drums Johnny recorded on his own
• 20:37
  and I compiled it all and through to Dwayne, he's mixing
• 20:39
  it. So we're just got the whole
• 20:41
  sequence of the album that we're doing right now.
• 20:44
  Getting ready to deliver it to Long Branch Records.
• 20:46
  Killer. That's all right.
• 20:47
  Another one and another one great.
• 20:49
  I'm loving it. Just for a last question, I
• 20:52
  always like to end with wild card question and again, we've
• 20:55
  talked many times, so I try to make these interesting for you,
• 20:58
  Kenny. And now Utah, what is a band
• 21:01
  people would not expect that doesn't identify with anything
• 21:05
  in terms of the music you make that you love, but people would
• 21:07
  be surprised. You can go first, Kenny.
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  Simon and Garfunkel. Yeah.
• 21:12
  I love Simon and Garfunkel. I know like 4 songs on guitar
• 21:15
  you know? I mean full.
• 21:16
  Simon is one of my favorite guitar players, one of the
• 21:19
  greatest finger picking guitar players out there.
• 21:21
  Love his tone, love their vocals, all of their vocal
• 21:24
  layers and melodies and harmonies.
• 21:26
  You can hear it and influence in some of my stuff as well,
• 21:29
  believe it or not. Yeah no 100% I definitely hear
• 21:32
  it and feeling groovy is like the best weed sall never like.
• 21:35
  That one's a little too happy for me.
• 21:37
  I like it. I like the really depressing
• 21:38
  stuff that's. OK, OK.
• 21:43
  And. What about?
• 21:45
  I'd say probably the early Queen stuff.
• 21:49
  I Was Queen was the first concert I went to in 1978
• 21:52
  Halloween night, so I got to see the original band.
• 21:56
  No feelings and. I never got to see that.
• 21:59
  That's awesome. Freak me out.
• 22:01
  My first album I ever bought was News of the World with my own
• 22:03
  money. Yeah, he's 75.
• 22:05
  Whatever. That's amazing dude.
• 22:08
  Deacon is the shit man. He is one of my my heroes along
• 22:10
  with. Fantastic song.
• 22:12
  Wagon, John. Jones, Cliff Philo.
• 22:15
  I love Deacon's bass, man. It's just you can pick.
• 22:17
  Well, forgive him. Well, forgive him for doom,
• 22:20
  doom, doom, doom, doom doom. It's not his fault.
• 22:22
  But forgive him for that. He's a.
• 22:25
  Drummer go crazy. I know.
• 22:27
  Yeah, but look how much money he made off of that I.
• 22:30
  Mean it's it's it's one of those amazingly catchy, incredibly
• 22:34
  bass lines that drive you crazy. I mean, I think about that song.
• 22:38
  I think about especially Bowie and Freddie, like, whatever that
• 22:42
  would be. That would be like, you know,
• 22:44
  Peter. And no, the history of that
• 22:47
  song, they met in I think Ibiza, they were both recording, both
• 22:50
  fans recording the same studio, and they stood up all night
• 22:52
  doing fucking mountains of cocaine and wrote.
• 22:54
  That wrote that together. They were all crap out of their
• 22:58
  minds. It totally shows.
• 22:59
  That's great, man. Kenny, maybe you need to do a
• 23:01
  book, man. You have a wealth of stories of
• 23:03
  your own and other people. Oh.
• 23:06
  God book and I got to mention people and I get pissed at me
• 23:09
  and I went to the years of that with drinking.
• 23:11
  I'm not I'm drinking anymore and I'm have to wake up in the
• 23:13
  morning mistake. Oh my God, who did I piss off
• 23:15
  last night? I don't need to sober and say,
• 23:19
  Oh God, I'm going to hear the the the blowback is coming right
• 23:22
  now. All right, I'll.
• 23:23
  I'll ask Johnny, actually not going to ask Josh.
• 23:28
  He won't do one, I'm sure. Guys, just congratulations and
• 23:32
  thank you. I don't really have anything
• 23:34
  else flowery to say. I said it already.
• 23:35
  Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 23:36
  Thank you. Thanks for being cool with us
• 23:39
  and we'll keep we'll keep sharing and following along on
• 23:43
  the story of Sun Don't Shine. Thank you so much.
• 23:45
  Thank you, Andrew, and I'll see you guys in the next one.
• 23:48
  Peace. Thank you.
• 23:49
  Thanks bro.