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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, February 17 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast Wednesday, February sevent JP Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: John Osier and Bucky Brooks and plenty to get to,
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Speaker 1: including Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer setting the tone at
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Speaker 1: the Trevor Lawrence Pro Day, the Jags trying to move
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Speaker 1: on from the Chris Doyle fall out, and then some
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Speaker 1: additions in the player personnel department. We'll get to those
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Speaker 1: coming up, and our weekly look at a few pending
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Speaker 1: free agents and one that's already a free agent somewhat unexpectedly.
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Speaker 1: We'll continue our look at that coming up. Remember to
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Speaker 1: Welcome in, and hey guys, what's up Bucky? You know
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Speaker 1: how about this teal stuff? Right? The Jaguars Twitter handle
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Speaker 1: had these cryptic messages the last couple of days spelled
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Speaker 1: out teal primary and now they've got to get twenty
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Speaker 1: one retweets to make teals the primary color. You wore
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Speaker 1: teal a lot when you played here, Bucky, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: look at that. I kind of woke up to the message.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, gonna gonna turn back the clock
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Speaker 1: and make Teal the primary. I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: I really didn't know till wasn't the primary color. I
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Speaker 1: just thought it was kind of like throwing away. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know black. It's a planet. Teal as the color.
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Speaker 1: But I like the Teal. I think the teal is
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Speaker 1: a nice look. I think it was unique and different.
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Speaker 1: But the uniform is so clean that I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it necessarily matters. There's a time where I kind
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Speaker 1: of like the all black. I mean, it's a lot
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Speaker 1: of flexibility. But if we want to make tell the primary,
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'll retweet it. I find a
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Speaker 1: way to retweet it after the pot. I appreciate that,
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Speaker 1: Bucky and John, I know you're a fan of the
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Speaker 1: Okra or the mustard some people are call it. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm the guy I like the I did like the
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Speaker 1: gold rest uniforms. I was all for it, Bucky on
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Speaker 1: Fortunately for mankind, there is a picture somewhere of me
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Speaker 1: in the gold mul and they all mustard and as
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Speaker 1: you can imagine, you can. I am looking buff as
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Speaker 1: the kids say, so it's it's uh, I'm fine with it, JP.
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Speaker 1: You know me, I'm not a mammoth uniforms guy. I
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Speaker 1: guess I just never You know, some of my friends
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Speaker 1: are obsessed with it. They can name every uniform, you know,
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Speaker 1: they can rank uniforms across the league. I guess I'm
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Speaker 1: fine with the deal. I you know, I sort of
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Speaker 1: like I didn't mind the two tone helmets. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just not a passion of mining the uniform thing.
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Speaker 1: But I do know this, the fans who write the
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Speaker 1: Ozone mail bag, the fans who are passionate about it,
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Speaker 1: great majority of them love the deal. So you know what,
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Speaker 1: after what this fan base has been through, if they
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Speaker 1: want deal, give him some teal tape. If if this
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Speaker 1: team wore pink and blue polka dots, as long as
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Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs, I really don't care. Yeah that
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Speaker 1: no offensive polka dots. But hey, let's get to our
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Speaker 1: first big story of the day. That's Trevor Lawrence pro Day. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I know it happened this past Friday, but it's still
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Speaker 1: causing storylines around Jacksonville, around the NFL and apparently guys
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Speaker 1: urban Meyer gave him options. One of those was wait
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Speaker 1: until March eleventh for the Pro day Clemson, but recovery
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Speaker 1: time of the shoulder issue would have been pushed back too.
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Speaker 1: Don't throw, He's a good enough player to be able
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Speaker 1: to do that. Or three, grabbed the ball and throw
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Speaker 1: a bit and the coordinator in passing incordinator wanted to
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Speaker 1: see you, and apparently Trevor Lawrence said, let's go, which
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Speaker 1: is a good sign, Bucky, and he went, all right,
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Speaker 1: looked pretty good. He absolutely looked good. I think the
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Speaker 1: best thing about Trevor Lawrence. We can talk about the
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Speaker 1: on field performance all that was terrific, but the reports
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Speaker 1: coming out about what he did and the way he
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Speaker 1: interacted and engaged with all of the personnel that was there. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they reports about him going and fist bumping everyone that came,
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Speaker 1: all the NFL personnel, um Clemson staffers talking about man
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Speaker 1: to kid just gets it. He just gets the responsibilities
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Speaker 1: that come along with being the franchise quarterback. He has
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Speaker 1: understood and he is welcomed and embraced it, and he
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Speaker 1: has a level of maturity where he thrives with all
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Speaker 1: those responsibilities on the shoulders on the field, and mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much more we were going to
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Speaker 1: gain by watching him throw, but he throws it pretty
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Speaker 1: I mean those are pretty well. Uh. Steve Smith Jr.
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Speaker 1: Who was on the call, just talked about how he
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Speaker 1: throws a catchable ball, meaning it's not always the fastball.
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Speaker 1: He throes the change in the curve. He he will
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Speaker 1: vary it up depending on what is needed. And I
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Speaker 1: think that is a nice sign for the playmakers that
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Speaker 1: are on the perimeter. And you'r Urban Meyer, you have
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Speaker 1: the ability to kind of coax him into performing because
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Speaker 1: your offensive coordinating, your quarterback coach would be the first
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Speaker 1: time that they see it. I think it bowls well.
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Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, we'll talk about urban flexing. Uh.
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Speaker 1: That certainly was Urban kind of letting the league know, Um,
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Speaker 1: hey man, it's the big show. I'm the big cheese
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Speaker 1: and the quarterback me. I'm sure John, if if if
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Speaker 1: Trevor's over there giving fist bumps to the other NFL
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Speaker 1: personnel guys, he's probably saying, Hey, enjoyed the s O
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Speaker 1: Club lunch, Thanks for coming down. I'm going to Jacksonville, right, John.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the feeling we got, especially
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Speaker 1: with Urban standing in the middle of the field. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I guess I took it more as not necessarily
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Speaker 1: urban and you know, laying down three choices for Trevor,
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Speaker 1: But more I took it that they've talked a few
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Speaker 1: times and it sort of came up in the conversation.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Urban was trying to intimidate Trevor into
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Speaker 1: doing one thing or the other. But I do think's
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Speaker 1: significant that they're talking and having zoom calls and and
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Speaker 1: there's dialogue. I'm wandering from Bucky on this. Do you
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Speaker 1: think there was any with Urban standing so close? And
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Speaker 1: so much has been made and this has become like
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Speaker 1: that is Paul Dead stuff with the Beatles back in
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Speaker 1: the sixties. Everybody's just picking apart the entire you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: pro day, looking for signs. But was there anything to
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Speaker 1: him standing there so close, trying to create a little
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Speaker 1: urgency for Trevor, trying to see how he would perform
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Speaker 1: within that close or was it just him talking to
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Speaker 1: Dabbo about the weather. Oh no, no, no, I think
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Speaker 1: all this by design. I think all this was about
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Speaker 1: setting the tone and creating the culture I think Urban
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Speaker 1: knew that cameras were on him, that this was going
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Speaker 1: to be broadcast not only everywhere, but in every NFL building,
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Speaker 1: and I think he was trying to create the visual
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Speaker 1: of I'm coaching my player, I'm coaching the franchise quarterback.
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Speaker 1: Let's start the tone right now. I thought it was
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Speaker 1: very interesting in the interview he talked about the three
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Speaker 1: choices that he gave Trevor, and you know how he
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Speaker 1: just kind of talked about competing, and I think you
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Speaker 1: could see competition being very central to the theme and
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Speaker 1: the fact that Trevor quickly embraced it. I mean, regardless
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Speaker 1: of what agents and quarterback coaches whatever. At the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, he appealed to the competitiveness of the
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Speaker 1: key it. And obviously we've been around great quarterbacks enough
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Speaker 1: to know that as the quarterback goes, the rest of
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Speaker 1: the franchise goes. And if he is in lockstep with
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Speaker 1: how Urban thinks about the game and winning and competitiveness,
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Speaker 1: you know everyone else is going to fall in line.
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Speaker 1: And so I think it was really great that they
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Speaker 1: were able to kind of create that chemistry and synergy
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Speaker 1: right away. I think your bowls will going forward you know,
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Speaker 1: I think to JP, that's significant is and Bucky can
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Speaker 1: probably speak to this more than me. He's been to
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Speaker 1: more pro days and maybe I've been to a few
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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks and so have you. JP. Sometimes they feel
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Speaker 1: like the guy has been training for them forever, meaning
7:38
Speaker 1: you know, we went to boardles a few years ago.
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Speaker 1: It's been well seven years ago now. They talked about
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Speaker 1: how much he had trained for it, and how much
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Speaker 1: he had worked at he had worked with Jordan Palmer,
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Speaker 1: who was also Trevor Lawrences guy. This to me, Bucky
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Speaker 1: was the NFL equivalent of Trevor woke up one morning
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Speaker 1: and his mom said, hey, you gotta go throw because
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Speaker 1: there was almost no preparation for this, and he said
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Speaker 1: he had bed head. And he walks out and he
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Speaker 1: throws a few passes. He looks great. But there really
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Speaker 1: wasn't that woman of look, I don't need to prepare
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Speaker 1: for this. This is what I do, and I don't
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Speaker 1: need five weeks to prepare for it. I can go
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Speaker 1: throw at Disney World and look good. If you want
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Speaker 1: me to coach. Yeah, I think there was something to it.
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Speaker 1: I actually think it was great for him to do it.
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Speaker 1: I know he had only worked with Jordan maybe two
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Speaker 1: weeks before this and before everything comes out and he
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Speaker 1: gets it and kind of rips it, and I think
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Speaker 1: it was very pure, as pure as a pro day
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Speaker 1: can get. I think I think the way that you
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Speaker 1: said it where hey man, he just woke up, kind
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Speaker 1: of rolled out of bed and went to the high
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Speaker 1: school field, grabbed a couple of his fellas and tossed
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Speaker 1: the ball all over the yard. That that is exactly
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Speaker 1: what it felt like. And I also think it speaks
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Speaker 1: volumes to him that I didn't feel like it was
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Speaker 1: a show or a production. I felt like he went
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Speaker 1: out there, I'm gonna throw. He was originally just scheduled
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Speaker 1: to throw thirty passes. He ended up throwing fifty two.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it around a little bit. You can
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Speaker 1: see what it is, but it's not a music blaring.
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Speaker 1: Look at me, Look at me, spin around and do
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Speaker 1: these things. I'm doing things that I would normally do
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Speaker 1: if I'm working out. And if you like it, you
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Speaker 1: like it. If you don't, you don't. But this is
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Speaker 1: who I am. You know what it was. You want
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Speaker 1: me to throw, I'll throw what's next? Okay? That's fun? Cool?
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Speaker 1: And President Bush wasn't there. That was Drake wasn't blaring
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Speaker 1: to your point, Buck, that was the Johnny Menzel scene.
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Speaker 1: No help us on the should to pass Hey man,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just going through it. I think the one thing,
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Speaker 1: because we talked about not having pass on, he was
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Speaker 1: just a little lighter than I anticipated. Two d and
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Speaker 1: thirteen pounds. Um. I think that would be the one
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Speaker 1: thing that you're like, oh man, that's that's a little
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Speaker 1: life on them. But then I also wonder when did
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Speaker 1: he suffer the injury? How long ago? Like how long
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Speaker 1: does that how far back does that go? Because did
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Speaker 1: that impact his ability to get in the weight room
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Speaker 1: and do some of the normal training that he would do. J. P. Shatrick,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Oh, you're the Huddle Up podcast. They're
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Speaker 1: still gonna do due diligence on the other guys though, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they're turning in the card today.
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Speaker 1: They have to go look at him, but he may
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Speaker 1: I'll be standing in the middle of the field in Columbus,
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Speaker 1: I guess. I mean it's it's it's the bachelors, So
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Speaker 1: those guys will have an opportunity to have their um
10:17
Speaker 1: hometown date. But I don't think that any of those
10:19
Speaker 1: guys will get the Rose. I think the rose is
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Speaker 1: designated for Trevor Lawrence. So you've been watching The Bachelor.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like I might have watched it a few times,
10:28
Speaker 1: or you might have. My daughter and I might have
10:33
Speaker 1: might have tuned in and watched a couple of seasons. Plural. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's move along. We can talk about Trevor all
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Speaker 1: before the draft. We've got plenty of time to do that.
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Speaker 1: But let's move along to the staff auditions. And obviously,
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Speaker 1: the big news that was the same day of the
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence throwing session was the fallout of the Chris
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Speaker 1: Doyle announcement and then his resignation. You know, I get
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Speaker 1: why urban Meyer wanted him on STA half From two
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Speaker 1: thousand through the draft, Iowa put out seventy five draft
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Speaker 1: picks through that system, and he was involved in all
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Speaker 1: those guys, obviously, so they have a track record of
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Speaker 1: putting players in the NFL, big guys up front, especially
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Speaker 1: out of Iowa. We get that, So I get why.
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Speaker 1: But when the announcement comes down from Prince Paula to
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Speaker 1: Alliance and all that, you had an idea that this
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Speaker 1: thing probably wasn't going to last too long, and Bucky,
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Speaker 1: they just they pulled the plug on it. He resigned,
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Speaker 1: and now it's tigning to move on. Yeah, it's tiding
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Speaker 1: to move on. And I think understanding the why why
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Speaker 1: originally he was brought on. You brought up seventy five
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Speaker 1: draft picks, but not only seventy five draft picks because
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Speaker 1: of their talent, but the way Iowa develops their players.
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Speaker 1: And so if you think about Urban stepping into this
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars rebuild, it's about creating a culture and a
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Speaker 1: developmental process to get the team to the next level.
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Speaker 1: Having watched Chris Dole, I would say this, regardless of
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Speaker 1: whether he's a jerking on all of them, is treatment
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Speaker 1: those things. You cannot deny that what he is being
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Speaker 1: able to do in the way room has helped Iowa
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Speaker 1: produce players and play at a high level. Urban was
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Speaker 1: attracted to that part of it. I want this team
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Speaker 1: to develop. I want the big guys in particularly in
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Speaker 1: the trenches, to develop and and be able to play
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Speaker 1: at a high level. And so he was banking on that. Well,
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Speaker 1: now that you made the move, he's resigned, he's no
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Speaker 1: longer there. I think the big thing is, Okay, what's next?
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Speaker 1: What's the next? Um? What is the direction to go
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Speaker 1: when it comes to that sports performance because Urban and
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Speaker 1: we have to hold him because I saw you think
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Speaker 1: he said he's committed to having the best sports performance
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Speaker 1: staff in the National Football League, and so he was
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Speaker 1: trying to do that in terms of the best developers,
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Speaker 1: the best dietitians, nutritionists, whatever it is to really help
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Speaker 1: the players. Well, what's next, who is the person that
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Speaker 1: leads the charge um in that department? Yeah, and JP,
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Speaker 1: I've talked so much about this last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I have that much more to say.
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Speaker 1: But I do agree with Bucky that this was not
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Speaker 1: about Urban trying to flaunt some concept or or or
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Speaker 1: trying to ignore some issue. You know, and you know
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Speaker 1: probably even word that that well you know what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. He was not tone death to what the
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Speaker 1: issues are in the country. I don't think. I think
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Speaker 1: it was really more of look a, I believe this
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Speaker 1: guy is the best and be he does have a
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Speaker 1: track record throughout his career of second chances to many,
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Speaker 1: many people, so it sort of fits his philosophy. And
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Speaker 1: you know, it didn't work out, it didn't happen, But
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Speaker 1: I never got the idea that it was a matter
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Speaker 1: of just absolutely wanting to ignore anything that was going on.
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Speaker 1: It was far more about what he is as a
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Speaker 1: second chance person and as a person who believes in
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Speaker 1: trying to have the best possible people around him. And
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Speaker 1: so where do they go from here? I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I do believe in listening to his conference on
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Speaker 1: Thursday that sports, performance, injury prevention, all of those things,
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Speaker 1: he believed that Chris Doyle was the right guy. So that's,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how much more I have
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Speaker 1: to say on that, but that's sort of what I
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Speaker 1: believed about the whole situation. So we'll see what what
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Speaker 1: is next over the next few weeks. I'm sure at
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Speaker 1: some point Urban will make a move if he hasn't
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Speaker 1: already that we don't already know about in that department.
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Speaker 1: You know how that goes sometimes. Now, let's there's been
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Speaker 1: some additions on the personnel side as well. Trimp Balky
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Speaker 1: has been a busy man adding some names to that
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Speaker 1: side of the hallway. Tom Gamble, senior personnel executive, Michael
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Speaker 1: Davis added a senior personnel executive. Was with Balky at
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Speaker 1: the Jets, and he'll focus on college prospects. Trip McCracken
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Speaker 1: the director of roster management, eighteen years in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: He's the lead contract negotiator, he has been in his
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Speaker 1: past that will likely be his role here. And Drew
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Speaker 1: Hughes a player personnel coordinator. He's been a recruiting coordinator
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Speaker 1: for three different SEC schools. What are you about any
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Speaker 1: of these guys? No really good staff that they're putting together.
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Speaker 1: So Gamble has always has been with Barking a few
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Speaker 1: different stops. So I think they were together in San Francisco.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I know he was there with Chip Keller was there.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, So Gamble is a guy who um is
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Speaker 1: his right here man, a trusted confidante when it comes
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Speaker 1: to building the team and division. Mike Davison know really well.
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Speaker 1: He and Trent worked together with the Jets. He's been
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Speaker 1: a long time scout. He will handle a lot of
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Speaker 1: the college stuff. And so as they're trying to blend
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Speaker 1: this staff with what is already there, particularly doing this draft,
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Speaker 1: Trent wants to make sure that he has enough his
15:35
Speaker 1: of his quote unquote guys in to make sure that
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Speaker 1: the players and the scouting evaluation is kind of done
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Speaker 1: through the way his lens, through the lens that he
15:46
Speaker 1: has always viewed football, obviously with uh irban Meyer's input,
15:50
Speaker 1: but that's what he's assembling. And so he's trying to
15:53
Speaker 1: bring about guys who kind of see the game as
15:55
Speaker 1: he sees it. And remember when Trent was with the
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Speaker 1: New York Jets. Uh, that's a Bill Parcels deal, Mike
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Speaker 1: Davis Bill Parcels deal. So there's a level of toughness
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Speaker 1: and grit and those things that they're trying to make
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Speaker 1: sure that all these players have. And so that's what
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Speaker 1: they're putting together. And I think, um, you know, with
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Speaker 1: with Trip McCracken doing the cap, he obviously will handle negotiations.
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Speaker 1: And then when you talk about the coordinator position is
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Speaker 1: tying it all together. And so I think you're seeing
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Speaker 1: a mix of Trent's guys with urban guys as they're
16:29
Speaker 1: trying to blend this department together so everyone has the
16:34
Speaker 1: trust that they need to have with the people that
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Speaker 1: are working in the building. JP all leaves uh a
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Speaker 1: breakdown of the staff to Bucky, but I do have
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Speaker 1: one quick because you know it's far more in depth
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Speaker 1: about scouts in this league than I do. The question
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Speaker 1: I had for you, Bucky, the process that they're going
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Speaker 1: through now when you bring in personnel people, everybody involved
16:53
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars personality people here, here, here, here, before,
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Speaker 1: and these people they obviously know how to scout, But
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Speaker 1: how big of a process it is to a learn
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Speaker 1: the language that everybody speaks, because different staffs come from
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Speaker 1: different backgrounds in and how to translate what you want,
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Speaker 1: and then how to translate over that over to how
17:17
Speaker 1: do we find an Urban Meyer kind of player? And
17:21
Speaker 1: I'm not asking the question very well, but I think
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm getting at. How long the process
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Speaker 1: isn't to mesh how much of a language barrier, if
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Speaker 1: you will? Uh, what will that process look like as
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Speaker 1: they go forward? You know, that's a really really interesting question.
17:35
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I wish I could
17:37
Speaker 1: send in the meeting just in the back room and
17:38
Speaker 1: just kind of see what the conversations are like with
17:41
Speaker 1: Urban Balky and their respective staffs. I think at some
17:44
Speaker 1: point you have to get everyone in the same room, coaches, scouts,
17:50
Speaker 1: and you almost have to go down each position and
17:53
Speaker 1: be able to clearly define what it is that you're
17:56
Speaker 1: looking for at that position. Not only um the playing
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Speaker 1: specifics in terms of how they play, scheme fit in
18:04
Speaker 1: those things, but what are the core characteristics we used
18:08
Speaker 1: to call them critical factors. What are the things that
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18:14
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18:17
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18:19
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18:24
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18:27
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18:38
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18:40
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18:44
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18:47
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18:51
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18:57
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19:00
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19:05
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19:08
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19:10
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19:13
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19:16
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20:38
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20:41
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20:44
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20:46
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20:49
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20:55
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20:58
Speaker 1: guys will be working hand in hands on. It feels
21:00
Speaker 1: like that's a similar type role and what Marcus has
21:03
Speaker 1: been doing the last few years here. Yeah, things like it.
21:06
Speaker 1: I don't know much about how that department will mesh.
21:11
Speaker 1: I do know, Marcus, you know, I think he's doing
21:13
Speaker 1: a great job on that front. I know he has
21:15
Speaker 1: had assistance in the past, so I assume that will
21:18
Speaker 1: mention that way. Beyond that, I completely that I don't
21:22
Speaker 1: know much about how that is going to work. Yeah,
21:25
Speaker 1: that's an interesting deal. I will stay in studying Ohio State.
21:29
Speaker 1: One of the things that Irban Meyer is always taking
21:31
Speaker 1: pride in is how his guys developed away from the field.
21:34
Speaker 1: When you listen to him, you listen to him talk.
21:36
Speaker 1: He's always talked about if you just come to how
21:38
Speaker 1: your state to be a football player, like, that's not
21:40
Speaker 1: what it is. It's about being able to put yourself
21:42
Speaker 1: in a position to get a job, to have an
21:44
Speaker 1: outstanding career and do those things. So in thinking about
21:47
Speaker 1: how you move that up to the National Football League,
21:50
Speaker 1: the player engagement program. One of the things that you
21:52
Speaker 1: can do. We've talked off air about how can you
21:55
Speaker 1: keep the players around the city uh three sixty five. Well,
22:00
Speaker 1: what you do is you really build out that player
22:03
Speaker 1: engagement program where players are not only getting what they
22:06
Speaker 1: need to do to become better players, but you're setting
22:08
Speaker 1: them up for life after so extending the connections in
22:12
Speaker 1: the community so they can do internship programs, they can
22:14
Speaker 1: do continuing education to get their degrees or massive degrees
22:17
Speaker 1: and those things. And so Marcus Parlett has always done that.
22:21
Speaker 1: But I know that Urban really believes in what they
22:23
Speaker 1: did and what they established at Florida and Ohio State.
22:27
Speaker 1: So I expect this to be a messing of those philosophies.
22:31
Speaker 1: He wants someone that he trust, that he knows, someone
22:34
Speaker 1: that knows what it looks like around and so I
22:36
Speaker 1: think that's why you saw the move made Stamford with
22:39
Speaker 1: the first coach high school here in Jacksonville. So has
22:41
Speaker 1: some deep roots in this community for sure. Now time
22:45
Speaker 1: for our weekly look at free agency. We are now
22:47
Speaker 1: five weeks away from the start four weeks away. Wait
22:50
Speaker 1: a minute, I lost a week. We're four weeks away
22:52
Speaker 1: from the start of the league here and the opening
22:54
Speaker 1: of free agency one. So we will pick each week
22:58
Speaker 1: a few names and entered them about. These might be
23:01
Speaker 1: a little far fetched this week, but their big names
23:04
Speaker 1: and their topics of conversation. Let's start with a guy
23:07
Speaker 1: who's already a free agent, who's already talking to another
23:10
Speaker 1: team in the division, who has wrecked this franchise his
23:13
Speaker 1: entire career. Of course, I'm talking about J. J. Watt.
23:16
Speaker 1: He has been cut by the Houston Texans. He is
23:19
Speaker 1: a free agent right now. He's talked to the Titans.
23:22
Speaker 1: Apparently there's a lot of names out there. Bucky, you
23:26
Speaker 1: need a strong side defensive end, right, Yeah, he certainly
23:30
Speaker 1: would be the elder statesman that you look for. Now.
23:33
Speaker 1: I would say he's a better player than this guy,
23:35
Speaker 1: but he would be very similar to what Calais Campbell
23:38
Speaker 1: was able to offer when he came over. Klais came over,
23:41
Speaker 1: has some leadership bill leadership skills and tangible qualities for
23:45
Speaker 1: defense that was uh, young and boisterous, So he was
23:49
Speaker 1: kind of an elder statement and maybe kind of rain
23:51
Speaker 1: everybody in I think J. J. Watt could offer that. Um,
23:54
Speaker 1: he's declining as a player. He is a guy who
23:57
Speaker 1: is more of a spot dominant layer than a guy
24:01
Speaker 1: who can dominate for the entire game. And so I
24:03
Speaker 1: don't know if Jacksonville is the right situation for him
24:07
Speaker 1: and nor I don't know if Jacksonville would look at
24:09
Speaker 1: a thirty two year old guy as part of a rebuild,
24:13
Speaker 1: but he certainly has some qualities that you look for
24:15
Speaker 1: because I think in terms of turning around and re
24:18
Speaker 1: establishing a culture. He understands how to work hard and
24:21
Speaker 1: do some of those things. I will say Klaus tried
24:23
Speaker 1: to terrain everybody in, but that was like herd cats.
24:25
Speaker 1: That was like hurting cats on that part. That's kind
24:27
Speaker 1: of hard. I'll say this, Buck. You know, I don't
24:32
Speaker 1: know that whatever j J. What brings to a team
24:35
Speaker 1: next year, it's going to be more than what Klai
24:38
Speaker 1: has brought here in two thousand and seven team. I mean,
24:39
Speaker 1: he should have been defensive player of the year. Yeah,
24:42
Speaker 1: and play great. You know, may have been defensive player
24:46
Speaker 1: of the year that year. He was as good as
24:48
Speaker 1: any defensive player I've covered during that year. So but
24:51
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I wouldn't mind the J. J.
24:53
Speaker 1: Watt signing. Uh in theory. You do wonder though about
24:58
Speaker 1: what you said, would he to come to a team
25:01
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't perceive yet as a contender. I think
25:04
Speaker 1: most veterans are going to perceive this as being a
25:06
Speaker 1: year away because you're one fifteen, and secondly, three of
25:10
Speaker 1: the last four years injuries for j J. One not
25:14
Speaker 1: nearly the player he was maybe in year four or
25:17
Speaker 1: five and six for him, So would that make sense
25:20
Speaker 1: right now for this franchise J. J. Watt would always
25:23
Speaker 1: make sense. But would it be a heavy pursuit type
25:28
Speaker 1: situation where he sold out the way they did for
25:30
Speaker 1: Clays to do as a seventeen My guess is not. Yeah,
25:33
Speaker 1: I agree with you and that I think if you're
25:35
Speaker 1: doing the rebuild, you want to rebuild it from the ground,
25:38
Speaker 1: if you want to do it with some younger guys,
25:39
Speaker 1: or you want to do with some some vets five
25:43
Speaker 1: six years in like a a Shaquille Beart would be
25:46
Speaker 1: more of a a fit in terms of just being
25:50
Speaker 1: young and establishing those things. A bonus Shaquille Barrett idea
25:54
Speaker 1: a bonus name, Shaquille Barrett. I mean, but now you
25:59
Speaker 1: got it, you got to you get to spend a
26:00
Speaker 1: lot of yellow cake. Now that's a lot of kids
26:02
Speaker 1: that he's like the franchise tag was fifteen eight. I mean,
26:06
Speaker 1: that's a lot of yellow cake and chocolate icing. Like
26:08
Speaker 1: you to bring him over, I don't know you do that,
26:11
Speaker 1: you know, you know there's a name on that list
26:13
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I'm all off script. But janakas out there again?
26:17
Speaker 1: Uh he is. I don't think he's coming. He's out
26:20
Speaker 1: there he's out there, but I don't think he's coming back.
26:22
Speaker 1: But I just think it's interesting he's out. He's all
26:24
Speaker 1: out again, you know, Thank you, Bucky. Let's move along.
26:27
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson is next on our list today, speaking of
26:31
Speaker 1: veterans and guys who played at a high level. He's
26:34
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Do they have a salty vet
26:37
Speaker 1: in the secondary to lean on? D J. Hayden is
26:39
Speaker 1: a free agent coming up. How do you feel about
26:41
Speaker 1: Patrick Peters? I like Patrick Peterson. If Patrick Peterson moves
26:45
Speaker 1: inside to play safety, I don't like Patrick Peterson anymore. Outside.
26:50
Speaker 1: I want to say, you have fourteen flags where he's
26:53
Speaker 1: been the last fourteen times it was converted ten times.
26:55
Speaker 1: A lot of penalties on the outside because he's diminishing
26:58
Speaker 1: in terms of as his athleticism, what his I Q
27:02
Speaker 1: his experience. He certainly could help c. J. Henderson while
27:05
Speaker 1: he's on the field, teaching him how to be a
27:07
Speaker 1: great pro. I'll be intrigued if he can move to safety.
27:10
Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's in the cars for
27:11
Speaker 1: him down in Jacksonville. Is that an odd move? Like
27:15
Speaker 1: UM guys have moved to safety obviously in their career.
27:18
Speaker 1: Is it trickier to do that when you're moving teams
27:23
Speaker 1: or not, or does that matter. I don't think he's
27:25
Speaker 1: trickier if he's moving teams. I think a lot of
27:28
Speaker 1: it is his connection with the secondary coach, and if
27:32
Speaker 1: the secondary coach can teach him how to do it,
27:34
Speaker 1: I would do the selling thing if I'm urban or whatever.
27:37
Speaker 1: I am thinking about the Malcolm Jenkins thing. Malcolm did
27:40
Speaker 1: it very early in his career where he moved from
27:42
Speaker 1: corner to safety. But look at how long Malcolm has
27:45
Speaker 1: been able to play. Patrick has to make a decision
27:47
Speaker 1: how long do I want to play this game? And
27:49
Speaker 1: if I want to extend my career, it would be
27:51
Speaker 1: by moving inside. We've seen very decorated corners move inside.
27:55
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, some of those guys. Can he
27:58
Speaker 1: move inside and get been vigorated by the change and
28:02
Speaker 1: moving inside and doing some different things for maybe an
28:05
Speaker 1: up and coming franchise, I think he would be worth
28:08
Speaker 1: making the call. I don't know how much interest he
28:10
Speaker 1: is going to garner on the open market at corner,
28:14
Speaker 1: but maybe you can sell them on, Hey, this is
28:16
Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to lead the room, show us
28:19
Speaker 1: how to win. Take some of the experience that you've
28:21
Speaker 1: had and show these young corners how to play the
28:23
Speaker 1: game at a high level. What kind of guy is he, Buck,
28:26
Speaker 1: I've I've never recovered him. Is he the kind of
28:27
Speaker 1: guy who could embrace that? I think so. I think
28:30
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I think, Um, you have to understand, man,
28:32
Speaker 1: this is this is a guy who is it really
28:34
Speaker 1: comes from a good fabric, a good pedigree. He's very
28:37
Speaker 1: very smart on and off the field. He's done a
28:39
Speaker 1: lot of good things. I think he would embrace the
28:41
Speaker 1: elder statesman role in terms of the leadership ability. And Um,
28:45
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think he has Florida routs.
28:48
Speaker 1: He might be from Florida somewhere down there. I think
28:50
Speaker 1: he is a Florida guy. Uh. It might give him
28:53
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get back to get closer to where
28:55
Speaker 1: it all started for him. The final name bart with
28:59
Speaker 1: me on this one because I know it will never
29:02
Speaker 1: happen for the Jacksonville Jaguars. In fact, if I had
29:06
Speaker 1: a full head of hair tomorrow, I wouldn't be more
29:08
Speaker 1: surprised if if this next player was playing here. Right,
29:12
Speaker 1: But it's the it's one of the big names of
29:14
Speaker 1: this offseason. Dak Prescott, quarterback Dallas Cowboys. I know it's
29:19
Speaker 1: not going to happen here. What in the world's going
29:22
Speaker 1: to happen with Dak Prescott? This is an interesting This
29:25
Speaker 1: is an interesting one because this has been a back
29:27
Speaker 1: and forth for maybe three years. The Dallas Cowboys should
29:31
Speaker 1: have liked Dak Prescott up early. They could have had
29:32
Speaker 1: him at a very affordable play. They could have had
29:35
Speaker 1: him in the mid twenties, maybe thirty at the max.
29:38
Speaker 1: When now they're sitting at a situation where he's on
29:40
Speaker 1: his second tag. That tag would be a little north
29:43
Speaker 1: of a thirty seven million dollars and if they tag
29:46
Speaker 1: him again with the forty four percent kicker, that puts
29:50
Speaker 1: him at fifty for fifty four million on year three
29:54
Speaker 1: of the tag. So here, here's the thing, JP. So
29:57
Speaker 1: they offered him a deal where it would have had
30:00
Speaker 1: a hundred and five and guarantees if he plays on
30:03
Speaker 1: three straight tags he would make a hundred and twenty
30:05
Speaker 1: two million dollars before hitting the open market. Uh, he
30:08
Speaker 1: has all the cards. I know. On the other side,
30:11
Speaker 1: it seems like the Cowboys like, oh, he's coming off
30:13
Speaker 1: to Andrew, what is he going to do. They don't
30:15
Speaker 1: pick up the phone until you start talking about forty
30:17
Speaker 1: million dollars annually. So he didn't do what however he
30:21
Speaker 1: wants to do it. But whatever it looks like, at
30:24
Speaker 1: the end of the day, someone is going to pay
30:26
Speaker 1: him a lot of money. And the Cowboys could do it.
30:30
Speaker 1: But if they don't do it, somebody else is gonna
30:31
Speaker 1: pay a bunch of money. Yeah, oh, we lost John.
30:36
Speaker 1: We lost John something profound, and he was so profound
30:40
Speaker 1: the football guys didn't wait a minute. Safe can't handle this,
30:45
Speaker 1: So we'll get John back in the moment. We'll continue
30:47
Speaker 1: on the Huddle Up Podcast here though. By the way,
30:49
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson from Pompano Beach, Yes, yeah, of course went
30:55
Speaker 1: to l s U one of the great players in
30:57
Speaker 1: that school's history. And John Osier is jump back in
31:00
Speaker 1: now the magic of podcasting on this Huddle Up podcast,
31:05
Speaker 1: j P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Osier is back with us,
31:08
Speaker 1: and your comment was about to be so epic that
31:11
Speaker 1: the Internet couldn't hold it. John, Well, yeah, it's quite
31:14
Speaker 1: a comment. I can't see paying Dak Prescott that much.
31:18
Speaker 1: I like him as a quarterback. I'm with Bucky in
31:21
Speaker 1: this environment right now, somebody will but boy, for a
31:26
Speaker 1: guy who I think is very, very good but not elite,
31:29
Speaker 1: that just shows you where the market is gone. How
31:32
Speaker 1: many playoff wins? You know, there's a faction of the
31:37
Speaker 1: Twitter verse they would tell you their quarterback wins are
31:39
Speaker 1: not a stat He'll say, what is negotiation time? He'll
31:45
Speaker 1: say his regular season records pretty good? Yeah, I'm in
31:48
Speaker 1: that faction. To me, if a quarterback gets you there,
31:51
Speaker 1: gets you to the playoffs, you know, I'm fine with that,
31:54
Speaker 1: especially considering what Dallas did without him. I think he's
31:58
Speaker 1: really really good and really important that franchise. But boy,
32:00
Speaker 1: is that going to do a number on your past.
32:02
Speaker 1: But that's it's not my problem. It's not my problem.
32:06
Speaker 1: It is it is going to do a number. I
32:07
Speaker 1: would say that the Cowboys are being penalized for going
32:11
Speaker 1: backwards when it comes to the process. They decided to
32:14
Speaker 1: pay the running back into wide receiver before the quarterback
32:17
Speaker 1: in and whatever football landscape, that doesn't typically makes sense,
32:22
Speaker 1: but here they are. And because they misplayed it, I mean,
32:25
Speaker 1: the consequences are I mean severe, because either you pay
32:29
Speaker 1: him or you don't pay him. And after watching them
32:31
Speaker 1: play without him, it is a huge difference when he
32:34
Speaker 1: is not on the field for them. But those are
32:36
Speaker 1: the names we got to today. Appreciate you guys delving
32:38
Speaker 1: into that. So, John, what have got coming up this
32:40
Speaker 1: week on the site? Uh? Yeah, good question. That I
32:43
Speaker 1: will be speaking to Charlie Strong for an ozone podcast.
32:47
Speaker 1: What I cannot reveal yet because I don't know yet
32:51
Speaker 1: is exactly what day that will run, but we'll put
32:54
Speaker 1: it out on social and make sure people know about it.
32:56
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward. I have not spoken to Charlie Strong
33:00
Speaker 1: and about twenty eight years. I'm sure he remembers me finally,
33:03
Speaker 1: as most people do. He was an assistant of Florida
33:06
Speaker 1: when I was coming University of Florida, long before I
33:09
Speaker 1: knew a young Bucky Brooks who had the Jaguars in
33:11
Speaker 1: the championship. Wow, I'm excited about the Charlie Strong deal.
33:17
Speaker 1: Just haven't read his comments. You just talked about how
33:21
Speaker 1: are in lockstep and they've had a lot of success
33:24
Speaker 1: together and so with him being Urban's number two, he's
33:27
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of responsibilities. There's both of those
33:28
Speaker 1: guys learned a new league. But I will say the
33:33
Speaker 1: defense if if if the defense can play anything like
33:37
Speaker 1: those Florida defenses played when they were together. Man, look out,
33:41
Speaker 1: good things happen. You know they had some good players
33:43
Speaker 1: down there in those times, for sure. Bucky, what about you?
33:46
Speaker 1: You got coming up this week? More mock drafts, more
33:48
Speaker 1: path to the draft. Moved the sticks all the month. Yeah,
33:51
Speaker 1: more silliness, more stilliness when it comes to my drafts.
33:54
Speaker 1: I think the big thing, uh just finished top five
33:57
Speaker 1: position less, but one draft asked a lot of intriguing names,
34:02
Speaker 1: a lot of positions and players of interest, particularly for
34:06
Speaker 1: the Jags, And so we'll put that out. A lot
34:08
Speaker 1: of a lot of tape running over over the course
34:10
Speaker 1: of the weekend. But yeah, we're good. It's grind both
34:13
Speaker 1: for Bucky Brooks these days leading into the NFL Draft.
34:16
Speaker 1: Then John O's you're senior writer Jaguars dot Com, Bucky Brooks,
34:19
Speaker 1: NFL media analyst, I'm J P. Shadrick, and we will
34:22
Speaker 1: huddle up again next Wednesday.