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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 141 | Chance of Jaguars Trading in the 2025 NFL Draft? · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jagxam. I'm tay Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton, and
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  Speaker 1: John Osier with me. We're all back in the house
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: because the players are back in the house today as
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  Speaker 1: the off season program begins. So let's get into our
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  Speaker 1: big things. Big thing number one is back.
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  Speaker 2: In the building.
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  Speaker 1: Players are here for the first time. They get to
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  Speaker 1: get acquainted with this new staff. Brian, We've been here
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit, but it's gonna be different with
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: the players here and now they get to kind of
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  Speaker 1: meet their new coaching staff and really understand what this
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: year is going to be like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, qu up the C word culture.
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  Speaker 4: This is when the coaches and the players establish the relationships,
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  Speaker 4: They establish the expectations, you know, the things that they
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  Speaker 4: want to get done and the way that they'll go
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  Speaker 4: about doing it. It's voluntary. It's completely voluntary. But you
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  Speaker 4: would think, John, that this is a really important time
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  Speaker 4: for every player to be here, just to get to
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  Speaker 4: know the coaching staff, to get a feel for how
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  Speaker 4: they're going to do things. You know, I saw Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sent letters to all the Patriots in his
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  Speaker 4: first year voluntarily talked about volunteer It is totally voluntary,
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  Speaker 4: but it doesn't make it less important when you have
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  Speaker 4: a new coach yet.
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  Speaker 5: It's voluntary, but it's a little awkward if you show
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  Speaker 5: up for training camp and you haven't met anybody yet.
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  Speaker 5: So it's it's voluntary. But most players, especially in this
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  Speaker 5: first year of a new regime, I haven't been around
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  Speaker 5: very many players who even really experienced good players who
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  Speaker 5: don't show up and get involved in that first. When
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  Speaker 5: I talked to Liam Cohen last week at the at
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  Speaker 5: the owner's meetings, I asked him what can players expect
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  Speaker 5: when you show up? And he talked about the energy
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  Speaker 5: and you know, when they walk in the building, coaches
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  Speaker 5: want them to know this is what it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be about. I also think Brian is going to be
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  Speaker 5: some Look, this is a new thing. What you're walking
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  Speaker 5: into is not what it was before, and there's a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of a you know tight and I.
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  Speaker 4: Do yeah, I do think also, And there's no way
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  Speaker 4: to quantify this. But if you're a player, especially a
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  Speaker 4: player who's gotten another bite of the apple, if you're Trevor,
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  Speaker 4: if you're Josh, if you're Tyson, if you're one of
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  Speaker 4: these guys who's up for a contract. You have to
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  Speaker 4: look and see what the owner did, I mean, to
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  Speaker 4: make the clean sweep, which they had not done around
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  Speaker 4: here since twenty thirteen, to send the entire defensive coach
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  Speaker 4: is coaching staff packing at after all, just bringing them in,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was a serious financial investment, emotional investment
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  Speaker 4: in this franchise turning things around by the owner. And
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  Speaker 4: I would think if you're a player, you'd want to
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  Speaker 4: take a bite of that apple now.
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  Speaker 1: And you look at some of the players that were
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  Speaker 1: like go as well, veteran players here that we're used
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  Speaker 1: to seeing, Evan Ingram, Christian Kirk, it's all different now.
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  Speaker 1: There's some new free agents that were brought in, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of new faces all around. Our second big
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  Speaker 1: thing today is going to be fifty.
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  Speaker 2: Year option John.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the most obvious no brainers of
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  Speaker 1: the week. They pick up the fifth year option on
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  Speaker 1: Trayvon walk And people outside of Jacksonville don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: understand as much because I know they don't watch Traylon
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  Speaker 1: as much, but obviously this is a no brainer for them.
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  Speaker 1: What does it mean in terms of a long term
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  Speaker 1: deal though? Does this affect that at all?
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  Speaker 6: Well, not really.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think it shows certainly, hey, we like
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  Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker. I think everybody who follows the team knows
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  Speaker 5: how important Trayvon is and knows what a core piece
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  Speaker 5: he can be. Necessarily, I don't necessarily think the fact
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  Speaker 5: that they did the fifth year means that they are
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  Speaker 5: going to do the Trayvon's long term deal in a week.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to explain, but when a new
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  Speaker 5: regime comes in, even if a guy is going to
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  Speaker 5: be a core player, they've only been around Trayvon the
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  Speaker 5: new regime to shake his hand. He's only been around
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  Speaker 5: them to shake their hand. There's nothing wrong at this
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  Speaker 5: point in terms of the long term deal, Brian of
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  Speaker 5: just saying, hey, you know.
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  Speaker 6: We know this is gonna work, but let's just see.
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  Speaker 5: It work for a while, see how everybody likes, to
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  Speaker 5: see how you flourish. I don't think there'll be any
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  Speaker 5: problem once the time is right to get Trayvon done.
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  Speaker 5: And again, the fact that the long term deal hasn't
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  Speaker 5: done yet and know it means they don't like Treyvon.
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  Speaker 3: They love Listen.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it'll take very long high for them
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  Speaker 4: to decide, Hey, let's get this deal done right, Not
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  Speaker 4: that there's any sense of urgency, but when they see
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  Speaker 4: the way that he works, when they see his physical
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  Speaker 4: skill set, when they understand what he means to the
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  Speaker 4: defensive front, they love him. They're going to love him
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  Speaker 4: even more and they'll get it done. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how it works, if he'll ever play on the fifth
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  Speaker 4: year deal, or they get a new year in place
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  Speaker 4: and supplant that, or how they'll put it all together,
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  Speaker 4: but he'll be here and they'll get him a long
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  Speaker 4: term deal. And I'll say it one more time. He's
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  Speaker 4: the first player since Kalaiis Campbell, the first player the
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  Speaker 4: Jaguars have ever drafted that's posted back to back double
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  Speaker 4: digit sack seasons. And I can't see any reason John
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  Speaker 4: why he wouldn't be the first to have three consecutive
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  Speaker 4: double digit sack seasons. He may never be the seventeen
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  Speaker 4: sack guy that Josh Allen is, right, but he absolutely
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  Speaker 4: a double digit sack guy year after year after year
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  Speaker 4: because of the way you play the game.
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  Speaker 1: And all the other things he does for the team
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  Speaker 1: as well that go unnoticed, but not by the players
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  Speaker 1: and of course not by the new coaches. Once they
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  Speaker 1: see him in action. So let's do our final big
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  Speaker 1: things today, which is just over two weeks away. The
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  Speaker 1: draft is coming up. We've been talking about it's inching
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  Speaker 1: closer bit by bit Brian. At this point, how set
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  Speaker 1: is the board? Do they feel like they know what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing at this point or is it all how
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  Speaker 1: things fall.
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  Speaker 4: On the day of Well, you know, most teams are
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  Speaker 4: set at this point. They know who they like and
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  Speaker 4: they know where they like them at, and not just
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  Speaker 4: the first round obviously, all the way through the end.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, you've got a scouting staff that was here,
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  Speaker 4: a general manager who wasn't. They brought in a new
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  Speaker 4: element with the analytical and strategical side of things, So
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised John if they're still tweaking things
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  Speaker 4: around the edges.
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  Speaker 3: But my sense is they know who they want.
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  Speaker 5: You have a good idea of where most guys are
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  Speaker 5: in the draft right now in terms of who they
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  Speaker 5: specifically won at five. Tiss the season for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of self mocking, and I do that a lot, so
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  Speaker 5: I know it's about But for them, what it means
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  Speaker 5: is you do a lot of scenarios, You do a
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  Speaker 5: lot of Okay, well, what do we like here? If
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  Speaker 5: so and so falls to five and then you do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of weighing value. I think it's wide open.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I know everybody's mocking Mason Graham right now.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's a lock. I don't think anybody's
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  Speaker 5: a lock. I think there are decisions and discussions being had,
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  Speaker 5: not right up to the draft, but certainly using these
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  Speaker 5: next few weeks to make sure you're making the right choice.
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  Speaker 2: All right, stay with us here on Jagsam.
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  Speaker 1: We'll dive a little bit deeper, do some this or
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  Speaker 1: that about what we think they go down in the
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  Speaker 1: draft in a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 7: So the way it played out is the Jaguars have
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  Speaker 7: moved on from head coach Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 4: The Jacks are allegedly down to three.
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  Speaker 7: Final Liam Cohen will remain in Tampa Bay and no
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  Speaker 7: longer be in.
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  Speaker 4: The meg We are following a local breaking news alert
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  Speaker 4: involving the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars parted ways with general
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  Speaker 4: manager Trend Baking.
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  Speaker 7: I did feel an immediate connection. Okay, you know, Shad
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  Speaker 7: was very clear with where he wanted this organization to
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  Speaker 7: go moving forward. I was being provided with an opportunity
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  Speaker 7: in Tampa to potentially stay. But this is the goal
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  Speaker 7: and it's at your doorstep.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Jack Vamerin.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: It into a little bit of this or that, but
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: that was a tease for the Hunt episode which dropped
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: last week. If you haven't checked it out, it's about
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: thirty two minutes, I think.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: A lot has happened in the off season, but if
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  Speaker 1: you want to look into that process of everything that
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: changed in the front office and the coaching, it's really
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: great access that we have. Now We've always done really
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: great things with this show, but just to see the
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: access we have now, it's spectaculars With Tony and James,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: that's suddenly and Colin, it is excellent.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't get much better than that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've seen a lot and I'm sure you
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  Speaker 4: guys have two around the League of team produced behind
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: the scenes content. Nobody has access better than this team does.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is off the charts access and yeah, because
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  Speaker 5: saying that doesn't happen without leadership buying in Tony, Liham
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  Speaker 5: and James have been outstanding on that because they want
• 8:30
  Speaker 5: the fans to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: So you got to give a shot at the crew
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  Speaker 4: that produces that because there is a lot of passion
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: that goes into the early mornings and the late nights
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  Speaker 4: and the travel and being behind the scenes and developing
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  Speaker 4: the relationships.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great production.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're working on it right now. With all the
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  Speaker 1: players arriving today for off season workouts voluntary workouts.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little draft though.
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  Speaker 1: We are just over two weeks away, which is crazy
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like we've been talking about for a
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  Speaker 1: while and we're inching slowly closer to these mocks and
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  Speaker 1: we don't really know what's going to happen. We are
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  Speaker 1: currently sitting at the fifth pick. So do we think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to stay at the pick or are they
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  Speaker 1: going to trade the pick well, or what's your choice?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe let's do it that way.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're going to stay because I think it's
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  Speaker 5: a year where it's going to be hard to trade.
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  Speaker 6: And that's just a guess. You don't know until you're
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  Speaker 6: on the clock.
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  Speaker 5: But there's been so many years where everybody's talked trade
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  Speaker 5: beforehand and the GM comes out and says, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have minded, but no call. So this feels like that
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  Speaker 5: year because it feels like the two quarterbacks are going.
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  Speaker 6: To go before the Jags. That's just sort of a consensus.
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  Speaker 5: And if there's not a quarterback at five, then a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people believe that the two great players in
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  Speaker 5: the draft are Carter and Hunter, and at five, you're
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  Speaker 5: starting that run of good players but not necessarily better
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  Speaker 5: than the rest. So I think they'd like to trade
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  Speaker 5: but I think most teams would like to trade back
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  Speaker 5: this year, so I think it'll be difficult.
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  Speaker 4: I'll go from the I'd like to see them trade back,
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  Speaker 4: but no further than nine because I've been told by
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  Speaker 4: people that I know in this league that there are
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  Speaker 4: nine guys that are difference makers, nine guys that have
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  Speaker 4: true first round grades.
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  Speaker 3: John, and so.
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  Speaker 4: If you're gonna go back for this team and the
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  Speaker 4: roster needs they have, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you get a receiver, you can get a defensive lineman,
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  Speaker 4: you get an offensive lineman. You have a pick in
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  Speaker 4: those nine guys, So don't miss on the chance to
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  Speaker 4: grab one of those. Because you have ten picks this year,
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  Speaker 4: you have eleven picks next year. I never want to
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  Speaker 4: say that you have enough picks, but you don't have
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  Speaker 4: enough great difference making players four and thirteen is evidence
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  Speaker 4: of that. So if I'm gonna move back, I'm only
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  Speaker 4: going to go back a couple of spots.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, nine's a low number, but it's an accurate number.
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  Speaker 5: It there's a lot of people who think between six
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  Speaker 5: and maybe one hundred that there's really not a huge difference.
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  Speaker 6: That's a little bit of exaggeration.
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  Speaker 5: But when people talking about this draft, that's what they're
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  Speaker 5: talking about is there's a lot of good players. There's
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  Speaker 5: about for me know x number up here, and it's
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  Speaker 5: really deep through the first two.
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  Speaker 6: And a half three rounds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't back away from the money.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So when we look at the draft as a whole,
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  Speaker 1: obviously this is the first with the new regime here.
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  Speaker 1: So how big of a deal is this draft? Obviously
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  Speaker 1: there's been important drafts in the past, but for this franchise,
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  Speaker 1: where they're at at this state, is it just the
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  Speaker 1: next draft or is it really important that they get
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  Speaker 1: this right.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think it's really important they get it right.
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  Speaker 4: And again, you could go defensive line so that they
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  Speaker 4: could push the pocket and play to their playmakers.
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  Speaker 3: On the edge.
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  Speaker 4: You could go to the defensive line because of the
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  Speaker 4: running game. You go to the offensive line because of
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: the offensive struggles they've had converting on third down? And one,
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  Speaker 4: where are the touchdowns coming from?
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  Speaker 3: Right now that you've let.
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  Speaker 4: Go of two guys that were incredibly important to your offense, now,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a very important draft, John, because you
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  Speaker 4: need to grab a player that can be a difference
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  Speaker 4: maker right away.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's important because it's the first draft of James Gladstone,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he's going to be here for a
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  Speaker 5: long time. I don't want to necessarily over emphasiz the
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  Speaker 5: importance because it's not necessarily considered a great draft where
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  Speaker 5: you're going to get great in the second or third round.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna get good, solid, So I think it's important
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  Speaker 5: in this sense. If you're James Gladstone, you want to
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  Speaker 5: set the tone for what you're gonna be, the direction
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  Speaker 5: for what you believe. You want to get good players
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  Speaker 5: and start raising the young.
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  Speaker 6: Floor of the roster.
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  Speaker 5: He feels like he's already raised the floor. I think
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  Speaker 5: it's really important to get a good start. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know that you're going to get pro you know, three
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  Speaker 5: pro bowlers out of it. But I think it's important
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  Speaker 5: to get quality at the top and then one or
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  Speaker 5: two guys in that second or third round that you
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  Speaker 5: feel like are starters by the end of the first year.
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  Speaker 1: All right, stay with us. We're gonna come back a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. We're gonna get an ozone mail bag. He
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  Speaker 1: will join us with all of the answers after the break.
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  Speaker 1: We're bringing back the ozone mail bag, John, and we're
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  Speaker 1: thrilled you do it every day. So we might as
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  Speaker 1: well recap some of the good ones. Let's start out
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  Speaker 1: with Daniel from Saint John's, Florida, who says, do the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars think they solve the offensive line problem short term?
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  Speaker 1: Or do they think they kind of put duct tape
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  Speaker 1: on it to give them the freedom to take the
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  Speaker 1: best available players in the draft?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this was sort of a funny question to try
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  Speaker 5: to answer because the answer is sort of yes. I
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  Speaker 5: mean all that is or but it's sort of the
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  Speaker 5: same thing, meaning they think they got better. I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to portray them thinking that they went out and
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  Speaker 5: signed the five best offensive linemen in the league. You know,
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  Speaker 5: so can you continue to get better?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 6: Is it duct tape?
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  Speaker 5: Well in a sense that you drafted guys you feel
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  Speaker 5: like are capable starters and make you better. But Brian,
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  Speaker 5: I think they still believe that. Okay, say you were here,
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  Speaker 5: now you got to hear and they want to keep
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  Speaker 5: getting here. So all of that is, yes, they feel
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  Speaker 5: like they're better, but everything they didn't free agency was
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  Speaker 5: done with the idea of being able to go draft
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  Speaker 5: the best available player. If they think there's a great
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  Speaker 5: lineman out there, they're gonna take them at five. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think that they're gonna go that direction
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  Speaker 5: at five.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, a franchise that espouses that the draft is how
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  Speaker 4: they're going to build, then free agency is duct tack
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  Speaker 4: and that's the mindset that they're trying to get to.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, they absolutely got better.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna find out exactly what they think based on
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  Speaker 4: where they draft offensive lineman. I mean, I know we're
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  Speaker 4: all focused on one, but on Night two, they've got
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  Speaker 4: a second and two third round picks. And this is
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  Speaker 4: a good draft at the top for offensive lineman, especially
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  Speaker 4: in the middle as you get into rounds two, three,
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  Speaker 4: and four. So you know, we can say duct tape
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  Speaker 4: right now. But if they draft an offensive lineman in
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  Speaker 4: the second round and in the fourth round, is that
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  Speaker 4: duct tape?
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  Speaker 3: I just think when you look.
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  Speaker 4: At it, we're going to find out more when we
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  Speaker 4: get through the draft about what they feel about their
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately we've seen depth is very important at offensive
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  Speaker 1: line considering the injuries, so you can never have enough there.
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  Speaker 1: Our second question for Ozone's gonna be Tony from John's
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  Speaker 1: Craig Georgia says, maybe the Jags trade back a spot
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  Speaker 1: or two and select Ashton genty. He along with running
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: backs Travesy Tan Junior and Tank Bixby would make a
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: loaded backfield. I say, maybe too many in the backfield,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: but I have heard some smoke about this.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to say what they would do it if
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: they did take uh Gent. I don't necessarily think that
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: it's a lot that they have to trade back to tape.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: I mean there are considered. Again, we talked about it earlier.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Two great players Carter and.
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  Speaker 6: Hunter. But a lot of people think that ad a
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: Gent's right there with them.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: The position devalue makes it a trick to take at
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: number five. But if you're talking about the three players
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: in the draft who people think stand above the rest,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: he's one of them.
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  Speaker 6: So could they take him.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's a handful of players they could take
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  Speaker 5: who sort of fit that.
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  Speaker 3: Bill.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's right in there. What would they do
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: running back in this situation? Sometimes, Brian, it's harder to
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: trade backs, meaning running backs than people think because you're
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: not necessarily gonna get the value. Sometimes it's better just
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: to keep those as on your roster because you're gonna
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: get more from having them than trading them.
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  Speaker 6: I think it'd be a tough spot.
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  Speaker 4: We talked earlier about touchdowns, and two years ago Travis
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Etn gave you eleven touchdowns, So you know, perhaps he
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: could be worked into a role where he becomes a
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: touchdown maker.
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  Speaker 3: I listen, I've been told.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: That on the high end, Genty looks like a young
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Ladanian Tomlinson, right, and on the low end he looks
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: like Christian McCaffrey.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, both of these guys are prolific.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Touchdown scorers, and you you don't have Christian Kirk is gone,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Evan Ingram is gone. Who are the touchdown makers last year?
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: The only guy left is Brian Thomas Junior. You need
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: people who scored touchdowns. This guy scored what twenty six
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: last year. I've got no problem with they decide to
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: take this running back because he looks like he is special,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: even if he's not Ladanian Tomlinson, who's at the league
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: record with thirty one touchdowns in two thousand and six.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: If he's the guy that McCaffrey was two years ago
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: when he was the Offensive Player of the Year and
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: scored twenty six touchdowns.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Take it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for perspective, you tend to forget as guys move on.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Ladanian might be the best back in the last twenty years.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Oh and I know there are Derrick Henry. There are
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: guys who be on that conversation as well, Adrian Peterson.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: But I mean, if he's Ladanian, who.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Was a high level I haven't looked at his numbers lately,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: but it felt like high level for seven or eight years,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: then number five is not too Would number five be
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: too high for Fred?
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: No?
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: No, So if he's Fred, which that's the conversation, Ladanian
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: is up there to me with the Fred Taylor of
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: the world. If he's that, then number five and two.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: If the Bears took Curtis Enis at five, ye, so,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: and they would have rather had Fred.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, you need touchdown may.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: Common to take me instead.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: You need touchdown scorers, touchdown makers on this roster.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You don't have enough of them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: So you know, whether it's a running back or receiver,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: a tight end, they're all available in those you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: those nine players most people think belong there in the
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: first round. Give me any of the three of them,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: and it makes this offense explosive. And don't forget, by
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: the way, it's worth noting that last year Liam Cohen,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: in his year as the offensive coordinator for the Tampa
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Bay Buccaneers, took a running game that was near the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: bottom of the league and moved them into the top five.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: And you saw what it did for Baker Mayfield's career
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: career best forty one touchdown passes.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: So imagine that this on the.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Field with your quarterback and Brian Thomas Jr. It's pretty
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: exciting to sort of let the scenarios play out.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exciting to be at a point now where
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you could say anything besides quarterback, and I wouldn't be
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: surprised if they picked that position for the draft. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to see how they build this together.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Final ozone mailbag questions runs from JP. I don't know
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: if it's our JP, he says, I saw we can
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: now wear our throwbacks four times a year.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I guess we're getting at least four wins this season.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I played Agrans. I don't know if they can
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: wear them all four times. I think they can. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: think what the rule is from what I have read,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: a version of an alternate jersey can be worn four
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: times rather than three. In the pasture, I think there
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: will be a thought of wearing the prowlers as often
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: as you can.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I don't know what the rules are either.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: At this point, they're changing year to year. It's clear
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: though that there is a lot of money to be
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: made in alternate uniforms and alternate helmet. Look at what
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: college football, especially what Oregon has done. We're getting to
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the point where you feel like maybe they're just gonna
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: take all the rules off and it's going to be
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: where what you want.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I doubt the NFL will ever do that because they
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: like The NFL really likes people who can be in
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: a sports bar without the sound and know that they're
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: seeing a certain team, but.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Half the schedule now is in an alternate uniform. They're
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: getting closer.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think they'll go where it's Oregon where you
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: can basically see or May Maryland a few years back,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: where like they were in purple at some point.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think they'll go to that degree, but they're
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: going further than I ever thought they woul.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're putting a lot of emphasis there on the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: merchandising side of things, and that's what the NFL does well.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: They make money.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Many shades of teal will figure it out at some point,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be mad if they did the throwbacks
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: four times.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Stay with us.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We'll tell you what's coming up the rest of the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: week here and what you can expect before the draft,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: which exam brought to you by Fresh from Florida. It's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: always in season.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And what the Gators are.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: On top today, I shouldn't give a shout out to them.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: We got a bunch of them in the building. They've
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: been telling me about it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I have heard it yet, this.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: One right here, well yeah, I mean, John doesn't throw
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in your face.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not a huge athletics fan compared to a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: of people in the building, but I did get a
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: little bit into this team the last two weeks, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: because some friends of mine cover the team, so I
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: kind of follow them. And they're an impressive champion the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: way they won it, so it was kind of cool
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: to see.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Listen, I'm a college troops guy, went to Kansas and
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: so I think I know a thing or two about it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: But to watch that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Team take Houston, which that defense was as good of
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a college basketball defense as I've seen since Nolan Richardson's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: forty Minutes of Hell if you remember that at Arkansas,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: man was a good and for Florida to take pune
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: after ponge after punch down twelve in the bonus with
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: thirteen minutes to play in the half, I thought, well,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: this one's over, and Florida just kept standing in there,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: taking the punch and delivering, and then of course the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: guard comes alive at the end with a couple of
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: big three point shots. It was a really fun game
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: to watch, even though it was what sixty five sixty three.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Now you talk about mental toughness for a college player.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: For Clayton to have the kind of half he did
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: and then hit huge shots in the second over watching
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: sports for a long time, you see a lot of
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: people melt when they don't have a great you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: expectations high, and it looked like it didn't even affect
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: mem It was like an iceman and then hit huge shots.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: They don't win the championship without him.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: It was cool.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't follow college basketball like I did
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: a long time ago when I was covering it. I
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: covered Florida's first Final four in ninety four, So it
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: was good. Yeah, A Lone was a good, very good
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: coach Kansa, and it was cool to see a team
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: that you felt like was doing it the right way.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: It was fun to watch.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: March is such a special time of year. So congratulations
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to the Gators. The champions as i've seen, got very good.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: John.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: What's going on this week? They're coming in there wretching.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I can do some squats, but they can't touch football's yet.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: I had a little stretching this morning. About the same
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: on board.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Here is I mean, so much of this week is meetings.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: It's getting to know these guys and it's really starting
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to jump into the schemes.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: In terms of meetings, the on.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Field stuff is stole aways off by rule. So but
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: one final thing if people haven't heard it. The ozone
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: podcast last week was Rams General Manager Less Snead. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: usually don't, you know, promote that much on this show
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: something else, but the less Snead was really fascinating. His
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: thoughts on what Tony Biselli means the organization or that
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: kind of a vision can mean, and obviously his thoughts
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: on Gladstone and Cohen, who he knows well. It was
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: interesting stuff that I would recommend if you're interested in
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: what these.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Guys are about to go back and.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Listen to that absolutely.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Now before we get out of here today, I do
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you want to mention one addition to our production department
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: here at Jaguars we have Elizabeth Hockman is our newest
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: addition here to Jaguars AM, which is our I guess
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: he has many titles. I will say editor, photog, just general.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: He's in my phone.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Is mad Max, John's favorite person.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Max. He's the best, but he's.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Responsible for all of the Maximus he's responsible for all
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of the miked up content that you guys love so much.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But we have baby Elizabeth Hakman that is joining us
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and very cute.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: We love baby.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Photos, so I had to share. But Max will be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: out for a while. He'll be back for micd up
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: during the season. But congratulations to them.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Mom.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Katie is doing well as well and exciting. First, any
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: dad advice did you guys give him any dad advice?
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Max has the same outfit, so
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: he doesn't love pink.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He does love pink.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: No, Max and Katie will be great parents because they're
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: great people.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: My advice for him was before the baby arrived, to
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: enjoy sleeping because he's not going to get as much
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: of it as he's accustomed to.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: For the next Max like some naps, so I'll have
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to figure that out. Get on the right schedule. Anyway,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week on Jagula.