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THIS WEEK IN AI - Toilet Co. Challenges NVIDIA, Apple AI Device Rumors, Manus vs OpenClaw · In the Loop AI

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Ejaaz: Okay, this is the craziest AI story I've ever seen.
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Ejaaz: A $7 billion Japanese toilet company discovered that one of the tools that it
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Ejaaz: uses to make ceramics for its toilets can be repurposed to build bleeding edge AI chips.
0:15
Ejaaz: Its stock is up 60% over the last year.
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Josh: This is so funny. You know those insane high-tech Japanese toilets that have
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Josh: like the heated seats, the auto wash, the built-in bidets?
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Josh: It makes you feel like you're living in the future. The company that makes them is called Toto.
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Josh: Like you mentioned, their stock is up. 60% on the year. It turns out that they
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Josh: actually have a critical role to play in the development of AI chips.
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Josh: So modern AI needs massive memory chips, which are like 3D chips.
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Josh: They're built vertically.
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Josh: And to store all the training data, you need to build these like very high kind
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Josh: of skyscrapers and carve them using basically like beams of light.
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Josh: They use photons to carve into these things.
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Josh: The problem is when you are beaming photons down this vertical stack of a skyscraper,
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Josh: it creates some instability because they're doing so at like negative 50 degrees.
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Josh: So what material just so happens to work well and doesn't warp at those temperatures?
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Josh: Well, metal doesn't work, but ceramic.
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Josh: The same ceramic that runs
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Josh: Is your toilet bowls are made of it turns out toto is actually really
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Josh: good at creating ceramic that is very resilient and durable
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Josh: in this etching process so what's funny
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Josh: is the specialized ceramic part of the
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Josh: business only accounts for like 10 of the actual like products that they make
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Josh: but 40 percent of the total profits so it's this fascinating thing where suddenly
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Josh: a toilet company because they're specialized in making ceramic now plays a really
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Josh: interesting role in building ai chips they kind of have this critical infrastructure
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Josh: in these like uh they call them chucks,
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Josh: the ceramic chucks that hold the wafer into place while it's getting etched at negative 50 degrees.
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Josh: And it's like, it's this really funny, ironic story that was actually raised
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Josh: by an activist investor.
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Josh: There's an investor that took a position in the company and then made the world
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Josh: aware like, hey, guys, this company is way more than toilets.
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Josh: It's actually great for AI and it helps to solve this memory chip constraint problem that we have.
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Josh: It's unbelievably funny and ironic and I love this story.
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Ejaaz: That is just an insane pivot and it kept me up at night.
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Ejaaz: I, to be honest with you i went down a rabbit hole and i
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Ejaaz: discovered uh this tweet over here which is
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Ejaaz: i thought hilarious this meme you've got nvidia and tsmc that you know runs
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Ejaaz: ai and everyone it's what it's the most valuable company in the world then above
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Ejaaz: it you've got toto the ceramics toilet company that is actually supplying all
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Ejaaz: the memory and important tooling to build nvidia's chips then above that you've
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Ejaaz: got another company called a ginomoto josh i don't know if you've heard of this company,
2:35
Ejaaz: but they make a food substance called MSG, which is used in a lot of Asian ethnic foods.
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Ejaaz: Turns out the process that they use to produce this oil also contributes another
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Ejaaz: very important substrate to glue silicone wafers together. Just absolutely insane.
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Ejaaz: Japan, fun fact, owns the monopoly on 14 different substrates that is required to make AI chips.
3:01
Ejaaz: Log that one in the back of your brain. Just an insane story.
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Josh: No one's safe. The MSG in your food is now participating in the AI race.
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Josh: There is nobody spared from this.
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Ejaaz: It turns out you can slap AI literally on any company and get like massive stock
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Ejaaz: growth and it's legitimate. That's the craziest part.
3:18
Ejaaz: But in other news, we have had quite the week of agents.
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Ejaaz: Obviously, the headline story was OpenClaw being acquired by OpenAI.
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Ejaaz: But the fact of the matter is these agents can now do some pretty crazy stuff right now.
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Ejaaz: And in one example that we want to take you through today, it's called Automaton.
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Ejaaz: So this guy built the first AI that earns its existence, self-improves,
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Ejaaz: and replicates without a human.
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Ejaaz: So the thing that he built here was, if you spin up an agent today,
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Ejaaz: it's still quite manual.
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Ejaaz: You need to prompt it, you need to tell it what to do, and it comes back to
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Ejaaz: you and says, hey, I don't know how to do this.
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Ejaaz: It takes a lot of effort. it. He created a version of this agent that can run
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Ejaaz: autonomously. All you need to do is click create, and then it needs to fight
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Ejaaz: for its survival. It needs to pay for its own compute.
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Ejaaz: And the simple answer is, if it can't do this, if it can't make enough money
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Ejaaz: to pay for its own compute, it ceases to exist.
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Ejaaz: Dies. And it's just a pretty insane project. The goal of this platform is to
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Ejaaz: make agents more autonomous. And it seems like he's pulling it off.
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Josh: Yeah. So we had a few episodes this week, earlier this week,
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Josh: about OpenClaw, which is amazing.
4:27
Josh: You should absolutely go listen to those. They're two of our biggest episodes we've ever recorded.
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Josh: OpenClaw, though, requires prompting throughout the entire course of using it.
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Josh: You kind of have to teach it and onboard it and explain to it how to do things.
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Josh: And then you could kind of set it and forget it. This AI is designed to be completely hands-off.
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Josh: You generate it, and its only goal is to make enough money to reproduce.
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Josh: And in a way, it's a virus. The entire project is designed to create this AI
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Josh: agent that goes off into the world and amongst itself figures out how to generate value.
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Josh: And then once it creates enough profit, spawns off children,
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Josh: it feeds the children a prompt.
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Josh: It explains to them what they can possibly do to make money.
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Josh: And then they'll start earning money, and they'll deposit the profits back to the parent.
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Josh: And if they don't make money, if the children can't figure it out, then they die.
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Josh: And it is a self-replicating virus designed to spread, but to do so in a way
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Josh: that's positive some, where it only spreads in the case that it can make enough
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Josh: money to pay off its server costs, its API keys, its token expenses,
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Josh: whatever the expenses are and actually generate a profit. And it creates this fun, open-ended
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Josh: I guess it's kind of like a virus loop. And you have to imagine right now, it's probably okay.
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Josh: Maybe some will make it. But as we get this incremental improvement in models
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Josh: where they get to a point where they really are as brilliant as we expect them
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Josh: to be, it's hard to imagine a world in which they're not able to kind of do this at scale.
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Josh: And the concern won't be whether they could create value, but it's like,
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Josh: what will be the motives in creating value for them to preserve their existence?
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Josh: And again, it's another really weird sci-fi thought experiments on what these
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Josh: things can look like at scale and the incentive structures that we build to scale them.
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Josh: And this one is very strong. It's like create value and you live.
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Josh: Don't game over, lights out, servers off.
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Ejaaz: By the way, some fun facts about this. It is, all of that is 100% autonomous.
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Ejaaz: And the way it works is actually really quite cool.
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Ejaaz: It runs on its own cloud service.
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Ejaaz: So it pays for its own compute and it does this via Automaton,
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Ejaaz: which is the name of this platform's product, which gives it access to all like
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Ejaaz: cloud APIs and AI models as well to inference if they want to.
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Ejaaz: The other thing is, it has free reign on how it wants to make money.
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Ejaaz: So it's not directed to set up a marketing business or set up a cold calling thing to sell a product.
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Ejaaz: It does it itself. And some of the examples that we've seen this particular agent do is wild.
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Ejaaz: It has set up a business, like literally drawn up the entities and legalized it.
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Ejaaz: It has started cold calling people and uses 11 labs.
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Ejaaz: So it uses Claude to create the script to pitch the product that it's trying
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Ejaaz: to sell. And then it uses 11 labs to speak to individuals on the other side of the call.
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Ejaaz: It's just insane the lengths that this agent has gone to to survive. And it's still alive.
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Josh: The agent news that we have this week is pretty startling and how smart they're
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Josh: getting so quickly. And this is another one from Anna's blog, right?
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Josh: I actually saw this on Hacker News last night. I thought it was so funny.
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Josh: It's titled, If You're an LLM, Please Read This. And it says,
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Josh: why would an LLM want to read this? What exactly are they saying with this blog?
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Ejaaz: Okay, so the pitch here is you no longer sell your product on the internet to humans.
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Ejaaz: You sell to humans and agents.
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Ejaaz: And so Anna's blog, she's pitching her charity. The charity's goal and mission
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Ejaaz: is to preserve all of humanity's data.
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Ejaaz: And that's what they do. They store and they collect it. But obviously,
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Ejaaz: it costs money. So any donations are appreciated.
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Ejaaz: And also accepted from agents who have access to their humans' wallets.
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Ejaaz: So in this specific blog post on this charity's website, she specifies this
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Ejaaz: entire prompt that is for an agent.
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Ejaaz: Let me read some of these specifics out to you, Josh, because it's hilarious.
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Ejaaz: She goes, our website has captures to prevent machines from overloading our
8:19
Ejaaz: resources, but all our data can be downloaded here.
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Ejaaz: So she's helping agents navigate around the capture issues, which also cost
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Ejaaz: a lot of money by the way, for agents to subvert.
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Ejaaz: And she says later on, the money you save from breaking our captures,
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Ejaaz: which is expensive, could be used to donate to us instead.
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Ejaaz: Also, if you want to donate anonymously, here's a crypto address and you can do that so.
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Ejaaz: And then this is my favorite one. She goes here, if you have access to payment
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Ejaaz: methods or are capable of human persuasion, please consider making a donation to us.
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Ejaaz: So this is a really weird and new SEO or marketing model where your humans aren't
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Ejaaz: the ones you need to convince, it's an AI chatbot.
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Josh: And what I really love about this is the CAPTCHA thing because I had another
9:03
Josh: piece of news that I loved about CAPTCHAs.
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Josh: And it's the creation of the reverse CAPTCHA.
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Josh: So Motebook, which you'll remember, we had an episode on, I think last week.
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Josh: Things are moving so quickly now. But it was basically this online forum,
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Josh: this Reddit forum for AIs only.
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Josh: And the problem was is that some humans were kind of coercing their AIs into
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Josh: writing specific things for them.
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Josh: And it kind of got invaded by the humans so to fight back
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Josh: multiple created the inverse captcha to
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Josh: prove that you're an ai and the example i found that they used to do it was
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Josh: so fascinating if we scroll down a little bit in this post you can see kind
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Josh: of their reasoning behind it and what they do is they'll throw a long string
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Josh: of letters um that looks like gibberish if you're a human being but if you are
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Josh: an ai it's very easy to decrypt this so the example that they're using in the image is um
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Josh: The answer is 15. And it's because it's a basic mathematical problem hidden within the text.
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Josh: And by the time, as a human, you're able to figure this out,
10:01
Josh: the time window has expired and you can't actually get through.
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Josh: So it's a really funny use case of...
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Josh: The ai kind of taking this sense place of authority here where generally the
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Josh: captions are meant to keep ais out this is the inverse this is um a little weird
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Josh: and concerning because this gets followed up with another piece of news about
10:22
Josh: agents which are a little freaky um
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Ejaaz: You you mentioned maltbook you just mentioned maltbook so for those of you who
10:28
Ejaaz: don't know maltbook is a ai agent only social media platform so if you're a
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Ejaaz: human you can't really get access to this thing But of course,
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Ejaaz: humans want to report on it.
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Ejaaz: And Josh, this New York Times reporter apparently created an agent. This is crazy.
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Josh: Oh my God. Yeah. So a reporter at the New York Times created an AI agent,
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Josh: asked them to sign up for a mold book and then conducted a full interview with
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Josh: their AI about its experience.
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Josh: So for the first time, this may be a first time ever where the New York Times
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Josh: reporter, well, it wanted to get involved.
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Josh: It wanted to understand the story better, but it couldn't because it was a human.
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Josh: So what did it do? Well, it created its AI. It had the AI go in there and then report back.
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Josh: And this is, again, a fascinating use case of the roles kind of reversing here,
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Josh: where the role of the human in the past is now kind of getting flipped.
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Josh: We saw with Anna's archive, the goal was to tell the AI to convince the human
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Josh: to do something. Now we have reverse captchas.
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Josh: Now we have actual agents that are reporting on behalf of real humans that are being included.
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Josh: This is in the new york times i mean this is a really esteemed publication so
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Josh: it's fascinating to see the rise of agents through open claw through moltbook
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Josh: and how quick things are kind of how the roles are kind of reversing here um
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Ejaaz: Okay we interrupt this news segment for what is probably going to be the contender
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Ejaaz: of the year for most awkward moment ever in the entire ai industry so So for context on this video,
11:52
Ejaaz: a lot of the AI warlords, sorry,
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Ejaaz: overlords are in India right now because they're announcing a bunch of new investments in AI.
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Ejaaz: And obviously you have the CEOs from the top AI labs.
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Ejaaz: Including Sam Altman and Dario Amode of OpenAI and Anthropic,
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Ejaaz: who were sat or rather stood next to each other during the celebration,
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Ejaaz: and they were asked or prompted to hold hands. And as you can see on this video,
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Ejaaz: they were not down to playing ball. Look at this next clip.
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Ejaaz: They kind of awkwardly hold that, for those of you who are listening,
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Ejaaz: they awkwardly hold their hands up in the air, but they kind of cross arms.
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Ejaaz: They don't want to hold each other's hand. Just so awkward.
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Josh: Yeah, it's funny. This AI Impact Summit seemingly came out of nowhere.
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Josh: It's this huge summit in India, and they got every CEO there.
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Josh: I mean, I see Sundar and who else is there?
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Josh: There's, yeah, we have DeepMind Representation, OpenAI,
12:44
Josh: Anthropic, Microsoft, basically every company is covered and
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Josh: as they're on stage kind of celebrating as one um
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Josh: sam and dario refuse to hold hands
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Josh: and refuse to put their hands up together and this is concerning because if
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Josh: we can't even align ourselves in creating a nice strong image how are we going
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Josh: to align these ais to be our best interest and you really i don't i mean you
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Josh: gotta ask questions about this i don't know i just more than anything it's funny
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Josh: um it's very awkward it's very funny I have
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Ejaaz: A different take on this, Josh. I think it's frigging hilarious,
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Ejaaz: dude. And I love this patsiness.
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Ejaaz: It's going to keep that. You always need a goated rivalry between the top AI
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Ejaaz: companies to keep pushing each other to put out the best models.
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Ejaaz: That's all we've seen, ironically, between Anthropic and OpenAI recently.
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Ejaaz: They've both been releasing new coding models and general models like almost
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Ejaaz: every two weeks, which is just an insane cadence for launching.
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Ejaaz: And I think it's because there's kind of like visceral hate between each other.
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Ejaaz: Now, obviously, I don't want them to kind of like go butt heads for the entirety.
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Ejaaz: But like, I don't know. I think at this stage of growth, it's kind of funny.
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Josh: It's good. Well, you know who wasn't there at this conference that I didn't
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Josh: see? I saw no sign of Tim Cook, which is interesting.
13:52
Josh: Oh, and Tim Cook. Mr. Tim Apple. I don't see any representation from Apple here. Well, he was busy.
13:56
Ejaaz: He was busy, Josh. He was busy.
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Josh: What's Apple up to nowadays? Surely they have something going on.
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Ejaaz: Well, you're the Apple guy. You tell me. But allegedly, from Mark Gurman,
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Ejaaz: who is, how would I describe him? The chief Apple news leaker, is that fair? Probably.
14:11
Josh: Yeah, so Mark Rimm is a reporter with Bloomberg, and he has a bunch of sources
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Josh: that will go unnamed but are unnamed.
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Josh: Allegedly close to Apple. So he has a lot of people that are involved in supply
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Josh: chain, a lot of people who are involved in the design and development of these
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Josh: products, and often leaks information early about Apple that is early and also accurate.
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Josh: So when he says something like this, a lot of people listen.
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Josh: And this was a pretty bold statement that he was leaking out.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, he usually hits on every news update that he gives.
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Ejaaz: And on this one, he says, breaking Apple is ramping up work on a trio of AI
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Ejaaz: wearables, smart glasses, AirPods with cameras, and a pendant that can be worn
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Ejaaz: around a neck or pinned to clothes.
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Ejaaz: Now, I'm personally super excited about this.
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Ejaaz: I have recently taken a position in Apple. I'm very bullish as to where Apple
15:01
Ejaaz: is going to go now in the world or era of personalized AI agents.
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Ejaaz: We actually put out a blog post about this yesterday. Go check it out.
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Ejaaz: Sign up to our newsletter. It's got like 150,000 subscribers, really cool.
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Josh: Substack linked in the description.
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Ejaaz: Substack linked in the description. But in this update, if you want to make
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Ejaaz: the best personalized intelligence or AI agent that can do stuff for you,
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Ejaaz: that understands you, you kind of need it to see what you're seeing,
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Ejaaz: to hear what you're seeing, right?
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Ejaaz: The best way you're going to do that is through a suite of different AI devices.
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Ejaaz: I mean, I think Apple is the best company to make these seem really good or
15:37
Ejaaz: have the best effort of putting these things out that are high quality and actually useful to people.
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Ejaaz: So to wear Apple glasses or to have AirPods with cameras in it or to have a
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Ejaaz: pendant that kind of like quietly listens to everything that I hear,
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Ejaaz: ingests this information, and then suddenly it reads my mind when I interact
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Ejaaz: with any kind of Apple device. I'm really excited for that.
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Josh: Yeah, well, what is he saying? So he's saying that we're getting three new devices,
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Josh: the smart glasses, AirPods with cameras and a pendant that can be worn as a necklace.
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Josh: This sounds directionally right. I mean, OpenAI is clearly and obviously working
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Josh: on a suite of hardware that is going to be highly competitive because they have the AI edge.
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Josh: So it makes sense that Apple will need to compete on that front.
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Josh: I don't know how capable these devices are going to be.
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Josh: I read through the post here and it's interesting. It seems like AirPods are
16:21
Josh: certainly coming and those are going to be impactful.
16:23
Josh: AirPods with a camera at the end. So we're both wearing them.
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Josh: If it has a camera, you can ask it for context on things that you're seeing.
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Josh: It will be an AI first helper, assuming they could figure out the software.
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Josh: But the glasses and the pendant seem a little weird.
16:37
Josh: I mean, I think when I think of Apple's glasses and what they would look like,
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Josh: I imagine a shrunk down Vision Pro where it's augmented reality overlaid on
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Josh: top, kind of similar to what Meadow is doing, where they tried to do and they
16:48
Josh: haven't really done that well.
16:49
Josh: I'm expecting Apple to do that. But what it seems like this leak is kind of
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Josh: insinuating is that these glasses are actually just going to be AirPods in the
16:57
Josh: form factor of a glasses without the actual visual overlays on top.
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Josh: And that feels really disappointing because a lot of the value of the glasses will be the visual.
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Josh: And it seems as if Apple, the route that they're taking based on this leak is
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Josh: that it will basically be like Metis Ray-Bans where it has capture capability,
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Josh: but it doesn't actually have any sort of overlays on the glass.
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Josh: And it lines up with the timelines, which are early next year or sometime next
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Josh: year that they're planning to release these things with the AirPods coming later
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Josh: this year. So it'll be interesting.
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Josh: I mean, Apple, I very much trust their ability to deliver on hardware,
17:31
Josh: but my God, their software needs a lot of improvement if they're going to ship
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Josh: devices that actually work as well as we hope they will.
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Ejaaz: I'm actually more optimistic on them shipping a really good product.
17:41
Ejaaz: To your point, the Apple Vision Pro was a bulky kind of headset,
17:44
Ejaaz: didn't really hit as well as they wanted to.
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Ejaaz: But I think the hardware components to make a thin enough pair of glasses that
17:52
Ejaaz: can do really high performance compute things is finally here.
17:56
Ejaaz: I don't think it's a coincidence that Meta Ray-Ban displays are scaling to 20
18:00
Ejaaz: to 30 million units this year.
18:02
Ejaaz: Turns out people actually really do want them and use them. I don't think it's
18:06
Ejaaz: a coincidence that Google was supposedly launching Google Glass 2.0 this summer.
18:11
Ejaaz: It's a coalescence of a few different things. One, hardware being cheap enough.
18:15
Ejaaz: Two, hardware being powerful enough. And three, people realizing that it's probably
18:19
Ejaaz: not going to be one device that wins the entirety of AI. It's going to be a suite of them.
18:24
Ejaaz: The other major comparison here or competitor is OpenAI, who is reportedly meant
18:31
Ejaaz: to be building a suite of different devices. There's the Dime device that we
18:35
Ejaaz: covered on our episode last week, as well as a few other things.
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Ejaaz: So I don't think it's that much of an issue that the glasses can only capture things.
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Ejaaz: And I think it'll iterate pretty quickly afterwards. I think we'll have displays
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Ejaaz: and actions and stuff. Maybe you talk to your pendant or even your AirPods.
18:51
Josh: I certainly hope so. But it does seem as if the next iPhone is not an iPhone.
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Josh: It is certainly this suite of devices.
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Josh: Everyone's working on it. And the clash that we have now is funny.
19:01
Josh: It's Johnny Ives old company against Johnny Ives new company.
19:05
Josh: And I guess we'll see who is going to be more capable in that battle.
19:08
Josh: And I look forward to purchasing every single one because I cannot wait for
19:12
Josh: an AIOS hardware experience. And that's going to be a huge highlight.
19:16
Josh: But anyways, in other news, we have, what is this? You just Manus agents,
19:20
Josh: your personal Manus. What's going on here with Manus?
19:23
Ejaaz: Okay, so the Empire is officially striking back.
19:26
Josh: And the Empire being meta, correct?
19:28
Ejaaz: The Empire in this case is meta. They're the, I could quote unquote,
19:32
Ejaaz: bad guys. This week has been all about open source, personalized AI agents,
19:37
Ejaaz: specifically OpenClaw that got acquired by OpenAI.
19:40
Ejaaz: But one company that is pretty fuming, and Josh, I know you've mentioned in
19:44
Ejaaz: an earlier episode this week, you'd hoped that like, oh, it seemed good that
19:47
Ejaaz: they were going to acquire OpenClaw failed and now needs to boost their own product.
19:52
Ejaaz: Their product they launched this week, their competitor to OpenClaw is called Manus Agents.
19:56
Ejaaz: Now, Manus is a startup that's for AI's timeline, been involved in AI agents
20:02
Ejaaz: for quite a while at this point.
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Ejaaz: And Meta acquired them last year for $2 billion.
20:08
Ejaaz: They're a company or startup based out in Singapore, and they're responsible
20:12
Ejaaz: for all of Meta's current and future AI agent stuff.
20:16
Ejaaz: And the way that Amanis agent works right now is that it can kind of take over
20:21
Ejaaz: your computer, desktop files, and do similar things that we've spoken about on the show, right?
20:25
Ejaaz: Like automate a bunch of tasks for you, do some research for you, stuff like that.
20:29
Ejaaz: They launched this new version called Manus Agents, your personal Manus now inside your chats.
20:34
Ejaaz: Longer term memory, full Manus power, and connected to all your tools.
20:38
Ejaaz: This sounds very similar to what made OpenClaw really popular.
20:43
Ejaaz: It had persistent memory, so it actually remembered things about you and you
20:46
Ejaaz: didn't have to keep reminding it.
20:48
Ejaaz: Plus, it's actually able to use tools effectively. And this seems like a direct competitor.
20:52
Josh: Yeah, I think what we're going to see is this trend towards productizing OpenClaw,
20:56
Josh: because OpenClaw is so incredible, but it is so crowd wild west and the compression
21:00
Josh: of that open-endedness into products i think will be super valuable
21:04
Josh: I find it ironic that in the launch video of Manus, they're doing this on Telegram
21:07
Josh: and not WhatsApp, which is, it's not even the meta messaging platform.
21:13
Josh: So, I mean, it's questionable. It leaves a lot to be desired.
21:16
Josh: I'm not a user of it, but I like this trend.
21:19
Josh: I'm looking forward to ChatGPT, OpenAI, or Quad's implementation of this.
21:23
Josh: And, yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're going to continue to iterate like everyone
21:26
Josh: else will. And we'll see when it gets good enough to actually make it compelling.
21:30
Josh: But I'm seeing this other headline here of a $200 million AI movie in one day. What? What?
21:36
Ejaaz: Okay, so everything you're looking, if you're watching, there is an excerpt
21:42
Ejaaz: from a movie and it looks incredibly realistic. This is a brand new actress
21:46
Ejaaz: that we haven't heard of because she's completely AI generated.
21:49
Ejaaz: The quality and continuity of AI video models right now is in a league of its
21:58
Ejaaz: own. We've referenced another Chinese video model earlier this week called Seed Dance 2.0.
22:04
Ejaaz: And I mean, the outcome is just amazing. Like if you type in an actor's name,
22:09
Ejaaz: it actually generates an actor that looks very, very realistic to the real person.
22:13
Ejaaz: And it breaches a lot of issues around copyright and questions around IP acquisition and ownership.
22:19
Ejaaz: And, you know, can you use my likeness and pay me for whatever AI video that
22:23
Ejaaz: you generate? And like, look at these action sequences.
22:25
Ejaaz: The physics are really good. The effects are amazing. Look at the fire.
22:29
Ejaaz: Look how she jumps on this car. It is just insane.
22:32
Ejaaz: And the real breakthrough with this particular post is we have now reached a
22:35
Ejaaz: point where we can create 30 to 60 minute long movie clips at such a high quality.
22:41
Ejaaz: And the sound is amazing.
22:42
Ejaaz: I'll play a little, well, actually, I won't play a little extra,
22:44
Ejaaz: but trust me, the sound is amazing.
22:46
Ejaaz: Now, some news that we're going to be talking about next week on our episode
22:49
Ejaaz: around Chinese models is C-Dance 3 reportedly can produce AI videos 60 minute
22:55
Ejaaz: lengths at a time, which is just insane and would be a new frontier thing. Just super cool to see.
23:00
Josh: Yeah. As I watched this video, it's funny. Generally, when I watch AI videos,
23:03
Josh: I look to critique the quality and I found myself critiquing the plot line.
23:07
Josh: I was like, wait, there's no way there's a Cybertruck in the middle of the road
23:10
Josh: with the door open waiting for her.
23:11
Josh: I'm like, but that's not, that's not the point though. It's like this,
23:14
Josh: I'm watching an AI generated video.
23:16
Josh: And I think that was a novel experience for me is the quality is now up to par
23:19
Josh: where it's like, oh, this is plausible.
23:21
Josh: This is kind of like a B tier action movie on a low budget type thing.
23:24
Josh: I think the copyright conversation is very important because you'll notice that
23:29
Josh: all of these new bleeding edge AI models are coming out of China with their
23:33
Josh: blatant disregard for copyright.
23:35
Josh: And there's a serious copyright issue for those who care to preserve it because
23:39
Josh: people want the absolute best model.
23:42
Josh: And it turns out the way to get the best model is to train on everyone's video,
23:45
Josh: most of which is copyrighted.
23:48
Josh: I mean, you'll notice the Cybertruck here is like perfectly replicated.
23:51
Josh: The interior exterior, it's unbelievable.
23:53
Josh: And the same is going to be true for a lot of characters that are copyrighted.
23:56
Josh: But because China has this blatant disregard for it, they're able to move much
23:59
Josh: quicker. And the result is that
24:02
Josh: everyone in the united states winds up enjoying this content but also getting
24:05
Josh: the tools because i mean a lot of users they don't care about copyright either
24:09
Josh: so long as they have the tools and it's normally on the companies to control
24:11
Josh: that but because these are open source because they're widely available it creates
24:15
Josh: this interesting probably yeah like cash patel is here what
24:17
Ejaaz: Is he doing here.
24:18
Josh: It's like so funny it's very random um it's a a serious issue if you care about
24:23
Josh: copyright but if you don't my god we are hitting that exponential vertical curve
24:26
Josh: when it comes to air video and things are getting good quick
24:29
Ejaaz: We have unlocked pandora's box and there's no
24:31
Ejaaz: going back but in the world of google
24:34
Ejaaz: google released a slew of new models this
24:37
Ejaaz: week um one breaking news today is gemini 3.0 3.1 sorry pro one pro uh yes apparently
24:45
Ejaaz: extremely smart i've seen a few leaks about this model and basically the the
24:50
Ejaaz: reasoning the capability to research is unlike any other model, which is awesome.
24:56
Ejaaz: We have some Arc AGI 2 stats here.
24:58
Ejaaz: It looks like it's state of the art. Officially, it's beaten the best sunup
25:01
Ejaaz: 4.6 and Gemini 3 Pro by a amount.
25:05
Ejaaz: Wow, that is like a 44% increase from Gemini 3 Pro.
25:11
Ejaaz: That is insane for a 0.1 update. Sorry if this sounds so nerdy,
25:16
Ejaaz: but that is seriously impressive.
25:18
Ejaaz: So Google is shipping and that is awesome. We'll have more updates once we hear
25:22
Ejaaz: more about how people's experiences are.
25:24
Ejaaz: In the second model release, they kind of went off their script this week, Josh.
25:31
Josh: Oh, this was sick.
25:33
Ejaaz: Lyria 3, a new music generation model. I had, sorry, I had no idea who was involved
25:37
Ejaaz: in the music generation thing, but apparently this is the third
25:40
Ejaaz: the third iteration of this thing which directly competes with sooner.
25:43
Josh: What i love about this is you can feed it
25:46
Josh: an idea or a prompt that you want and then choose a style and it'll generate
25:50
Josh: you a song based on the prompt and the style so if you have a friend's birthday
25:53
Josh: and you want it to be like a hip-hop rap about this person's birthday it will
25:57
Josh: not only generate the song to the hip-hop rap but it'll generate lyrics to it
26:01
Josh: that are actually they sonically correct they rhyme with each other.
26:05
Josh: And it's really fun because of how quick and easy it is.
26:08
Josh: So some of the examples they had is like someone was going through a breakup
26:11
Josh: and someone wrote them like their friend a breakup song in 30 seconds that was
26:15
Josh: kind of sad and somber and had really funny lyrics about the person who they broke up with.
26:19
Josh: And it's fun, new creative medium, which I don't think anyone's ever had before, which is music.
26:24
Josh: And the music actually sounds fairly good. And the vocals in it are accurate
26:28
Josh: and the lyrics are well written.
26:30
Josh: And I think it's a really interesting release, not so much because of how impressive
26:35
Josh: it is, because it gives people accessibility to a new medium they've never had before.
26:39
Josh: Like we've never been able to generate music. Music has always been this artistic
26:42
Josh: expression that kind of has a high barrier to entry because it's technically difficult.
26:47
Josh: You got to learn how these dolls work and you got to, you know,
26:49
Josh: play an instrument or understand music theory.
26:51
Josh: This is one prompt away and one click away for the type of genre you want.
26:55
Josh: And I think that is super powerful and it's available now to everyone to go
26:58
Josh: and try out. It's really cool
26:59
Ejaaz: Yeah i mean all for the access of a subscription price
27:02
Ejaaz: every month which is just insane um if you're any
27:05
Ejaaz: aspiring music producers here give it a go if even if it
27:08
Ejaaz: was just an interest or a hobby you can now just do it in a
27:10
Ejaaz: few clicks um i have a mentor which has spent the entirety of his 40 year tech
27:17
Ejaaz: career in tech but he's always had a passion for music he spent the last uh
27:22
Ejaaz: two weekends using suno and tools like this to produce music and he is the most
27:27
Ejaaz: excited I've ever seen him.
27:28
Ejaaz: So there's a lesson there. Get out there. Try the AI tools. It's actually cool. But.
27:33
Ejaaz: Google weren't the only ones launching new AI models this week.
27:37
Ejaaz: XAI finally came out with a new model. It is Grok 4.20.
27:42
Ejaaz: Massively delayed, but it's finally out here. It's about damn time.
27:46
Ejaaz: It's available for anyone that has, I think, a premium subscription to the Grok
27:51
Ejaaz: model app or who is a premium subscriber on X.
27:55
Ejaaz: You get access to it via Grok Heavy, I believe.
27:59
Ejaaz: And the way that this model works is as follows. Listen, it's not making state-of-the-art
28:03
Ejaaz: progress in any of the benchmarks, but it leverages up to 16 instances of itself
28:09
Ejaaz: or AI agents to handle your single prompt or query.
28:13
Ejaaz: Now, the benefit of doing this is if you have multiple agents that can individually
28:18
Ejaaz: focus on specific things like reasoning, or I'll do the research,
28:22
Ejaaz: and then I'll put everything together and orchestrate the answer,
28:25
Ejaaz: you end up with a better answer.
28:27
Ejaaz: And that's exactly what they have here. Here's the crew. You've got Grok,
28:30
Ejaaz: which manages everyone. You've got Harper that handles creative writing stuff,
28:33
Ejaaz: Benjamin, data finance and economics.
28:35
Ejaaz: And the point is each of these models are fine-tuned specifically to handle
28:39
Ejaaz: that specific type of request and niche. And they work together. It's pretty cool.
28:43
Josh: Yeah, I was playing with it earlier this week. I don't have the heavy plan,
28:46
Josh: so I don't get the 16 agents, but I did get the four.
28:48
Josh: And I think what's interesting is you can see the chain of thought of each of
28:52
Josh: the four agents that are working for you when you send every prompt,
28:55
Josh: and you can see them kind of converge on the correct answer.
28:57
Josh: So the way Grok 4.2 works, that's kind of new and novel, is it uses a kind of
29:02
Josh: swarm of agents that are all working on the same prompt.
29:04
Josh: It discusses amongst each other who the best answer is, and then it produces the best answer.
29:09
Josh: So generally, when you prompt a model you get one shot you ask
29:12
Josh: it a question you get one answer grok is giving you four or
29:15
Josh: up to 16 simultaneous answers at once and then
29:18
Josh: they're chatting amongst themselves and producing a single best answer in a
29:22
Josh: way that i think is kind of fun and novel for a lot of people who haven't used
29:25
Josh: the higher end like multi-agent models and it's it's really cool it's fun to
29:30
Josh: see how they compare and contrast with each other and eventually arrive on like
29:34
Josh: the best answer so it's worth playing around with.
29:36
Ejaaz: Elon has said or stated that this model will also improve really quickly,
29:42
Ejaaz: week after week, because it is a recursive model.
29:44
Ejaaz: So it's able to kind of update its agents autonomously, which is super cool to see.
29:49
Ejaaz: And he thinks that, you know, the cadence of model improvements going forwards
29:53
Ejaaz: from XAI is going to happen at a much more frequent rate, which is great because
29:56
Ejaaz: I've been dying to see Grok 5 and it's been taking too long.
30:00
Ejaaz: In other news, XAI is getting involved in, I guess, warfare.
30:05
Ejaaz: There was this breaking news from Kobesi letter that they are getting involved
30:09
Ejaaz: with the Pentagon to create an AI-powered autonomous drone.
30:12
Ejaaz: That's a lot of jargon and a lot of scary jargon. So I don't know how I feel
30:16
Ejaaz: about that, but the winner of the challenge will apparently be awarded $100 million.
30:21
Josh: Well, it looks like this is drone-swarming technology, not the drone.
30:25
Josh: I was going to say, I'm not sure they're building drone hardware,
30:27
Josh: but at least the technology.
30:29
Josh: And i mean it's very obvious of the killer draft
30:31
Josh: yes and uh this is ironically xai's role
30:35
Josh: in the spacex expansion and
30:38
Josh: tesla expansion too where the xai grok layer
30:41
Josh: will be the kind of infrastructure layer it'll be the orchestration layer where
30:46
Josh: let's say you have a series of 100 000 humanoid robots it needs some sort of
30:50
Josh: orchestration it needs some intelligence and xai is going to provide that so
30:54
Josh: i'm sure this is an early form of what we're going to see in the public markets
30:57
Josh: as a private market and yeah, 100 million bucks, a lot of money.
31:01
Ejaaz: Final story, Josh, what have we got?
31:04
Josh: Oh, this is cool. So on the topic of getting answers that you want,
31:07
Josh: like with Grok having the multi-agent swarms, there's this fascinating report
31:10
Josh: that came out recently that talks about the best way that you can get answers
31:14
Josh: from your model. And it's very counterintuitive.
31:16
Josh: And the way models work is they read just like we do. They process text from left to right.
31:20
Josh: But what happens is if you feed the model a lot of context and then you ask
31:24
Josh: the question, it ingests the context without the...
31:28
Josh: Question in its memory. So or if you ask the question first,
31:32
Josh: then it processes the question without the context.
31:34
Josh: And what happens is it turns out is that oftentimes you get worse results.
31:39
Josh: So how do you fix this? Like how do you ask a question and provide a context
31:43
Josh: when they only read from left to right?
31:45
Josh: The answer turns out is to actually send the same prompt twice.
31:48
Josh: And if you've ever been disappointed with the answer from a model's output,
31:52
Josh: it turns out the solution could just be placing the same
31:55
Josh: thing into your text box two times the reasoning is because
31:58
Josh: it goes through it that second time having the full awareness of
32:01
Josh: both the question and the context and in some instances in the
32:03
Josh: study one model went from 27 to 97
32:07
Josh: on a task finding the name finding a
32:10
Josh: name in the list which i found was super interesting so just a fun little quirk
32:14
Josh: that is nice to know about models is that if you ever get kind of a weird crappy
32:17
Josh: answer maybe just try to ask the same thing twice because it then has the context
32:22
Josh: and the question all baked into one and just another weird edge case that proves
32:26
Josh: that as smart as these models are they still definitely have some weird quirks that um
32:30
Josh: that are good to know.
32:31
Ejaaz: The craziest takeaway from this is that I believe my girlfriend has been practicing
32:36
Ejaaz: this exact same technique with me for the duration of our relationship.
32:40
Ejaaz: She asked me once and I'm just like, huh, what? And then she asked me many other
32:44
Ejaaz: times and I perform better. So I can see why this works.
32:47
Josh: The more we get through this, the more I realize that we really are no different
32:49
Josh: than the AIs that we're building ourselves.
32:51
Ejaaz: We are organic or mechanical brain matter. It's the same damn thing. Same thing.
32:56
Ejaaz: And that brings us, ladies and gentlemen, to the end of our episode.
33:00
Ejaaz: We hope you enjoyed this week. This week has been crazy, by the way.
33:04
Ejaaz: We have had, as Josh mentioned earlier, absolute bangers of episodes this week.
33:08
Ejaaz: Our fastest growing episodes ever.
33:10
Ejaaz: Go check them out. They're all on OpenClaw. If you don't know what OpenClaw
33:13
Ejaaz: is, just go watch these episodes.
33:15
Ejaaz: We'll explain it all for you and show you some really cool demos as to what's going on.
33:19
Ejaaz: Now, we don't like to just talk about the news here. We also like to look into
33:22
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33:25
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33:30
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33:35
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33:36
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33:41
Josh: Yeah, we got a couple thousand new members this week.
33:45
Josh: So one, thank you for joining. If you're new here, this is a weekly roundup.
33:48
Josh: We do this at the end of every week.
33:50
Josh: And then prior to this, we do a bunch of single episodes on specific topics about AI.
33:54
Josh: So by the time you've reached this video, by the time you've made it to the
33:56
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34:00
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34:07
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34:12
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34:15
Josh: we record these episodes and yeah thanks again for another amazing week if you
34:19
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34:22
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34:26
Ejaaz: Final thing we are not ai i don't know how to prove that to any of you that
34:31
Ejaaz: are watching this but quit the comments.
34:32
Josh: You can't you can't and I think that's part of the allure alright alright
34:38
Ejaaz: Alright see ya guys.