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Serial Killer Documentary - Myra Hindley： Britain's Most Famous Female Serial Killer · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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Speaker 5: In this series, I'll be shining a light on six
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Speaker 5: of the most prolific female mass murders in history.
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Speaker 3: So welcome to the dark world of the Lady Killers.
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Speaker 5: Some may ask, why call up anew this gruesome crime
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Speaker 5: of more than 30 years ago? Let time cover it,
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Speaker 5: let it be forgotten. Surely I would not recall it
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Speaker 5: for the sake of sensation. I write of it in
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Speaker 5: the hope of applying to it the increase of understanding
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Speaker 5: of such crimes that has come during these years. And
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Speaker 5: in the hope of drawing from it some further increase
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Speaker 5: in a comprehension of human behaviour. These are the words
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Speaker 5: of author Maya Levin in The Fall to Compulsion. It's
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Speaker 5: a crime novel about two people who set out to
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Speaker 5: commit the perfect murder, purely as an intellectual experiment. And
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Speaker 5: it was the book that allegedly inspired Ian Brage and
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Speaker 5: Myra Hindley to torture, rape and kill five children across
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Speaker 5: Manchester in the 1960s. Personally, I don't think anything I
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Speaker 5: could write would make someone actually go out and commit murder.
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Speaker 5: But Brage and Hindley seem to devour books, films and
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Speaker 5: lyrics twisting them to suit their own perverted ideology. While
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Speaker 5: listening to Nazi war speeches, Ian would affectionately call Myra
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Speaker 5: Hess after Hitler's notorious deputy.
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Speaker 3: It was this desire to live by.
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Speaker 5: Their own rules and develop their own secret code, which
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Speaker 5: eventually led them to systematically plan the Moors' murders as
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Speaker 5: part of a sexually sadistic relationship. But what interests me
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Speaker 5: is how does a seemingly ordinary working-class girl from Gorton
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Speaker 5: become the most hated woman in British history, have faced
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Speaker 5: the iconic image of evil. I think it's important to
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Speaker 5: start with that police photo and found out why it
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Speaker 5: became so embedded in this country's cultural landscape.
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Speaker 4: You felt there was a mask. Would somebody please take
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Speaker 4: that mask off and show the real Myra Hindley? Because
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Speaker 4: that mask there with that white hair, that sullen face,
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Speaker 4: The eyes drooping, the prominent lips, the whiteness of the face,
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Speaker 4: the whiteness of the hair with those dark roots. It's
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Speaker 4: almost as if someone had touched her up to give
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Speaker 4: her that look of evil.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but she's got evil bloody eyeshows. And if you
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Speaker 6: look at her photo, you can see the evil coming
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Speaker 6: through to you.
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Speaker 7: I think it has become, hasn't it, the absolute image of...
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Speaker 7: because she does look rather unreal in it, or created.
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Speaker 7: And in a way, over the years, we have created
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Speaker 7: Myra Hindley.
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Speaker 8: Right up until the day of her death, the only
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Speaker 8: pictures that were being shown was that one picture of
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Speaker 8: this hard-faced, peroxide blonde woman. And this became the face
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Speaker 8: of evil, the face of wickedness, the face of crime.
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Speaker 9: It is an iconic image. It figures a lot in
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Speaker 9: the psychopathology of people who... I do see with mental illness,
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Speaker 9: if they're deluded, if they're schizophrenic, often the delusions will
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Speaker 9: revolve around Hindley and Brady. It's quite common. I am
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Speaker 9: Myra Hindley, or Myra Hindley's sending me voices.
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Speaker 5: But every picture tells a story, even a police photograph.
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Speaker 5: Journalist and author Duncan Staff regularly wrote to Hindley and
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Speaker 5: he visited her in prison. He says she was desperate
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Speaker 5: to demolish the iconic image to convince people she was
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Speaker 5: bullied into the killings.
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Speaker 10: When Myra Hindley wrote to me about her arrest photograph,
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Speaker 10: she described how she was upstairs being questioned by detectives,
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Speaker 10: how they then led her by the arms downstairs, underground,
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Speaker 10: into the basement of Hyde Police Station, which was an
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Speaker 10: extraordinary place. The corridors were very narrow, it was confined.
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Speaker 10: And she said she was then sat down in her
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Speaker 10: chair and believed that she was about to be hit,
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Speaker 10: that she was about to be interrogated.
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Speaker 5: Because Hindley thought she was going to be assaulted, she
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Speaker 5: claimed she clenched her teeth defiantly. But it was a
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Speaker 5: police photographer's flashbulb and not a fist, which went off
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Speaker 5: in her face.
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Speaker 10: Now, I'm not sure that's quite an accurate version of events.
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Speaker 10: What she's trying to do there is to show herself
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Speaker 10: as a bewildered, frightened girl who's suddenly behind bars. I
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Speaker 10: don't believe it's quite like that. I actually think the
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Speaker 10: image that you see of her, that hard, harshly lit image,
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Speaker 10: it is actually an accurate portrait of Myra Hindley at
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Speaker 10: the time.
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Speaker 11: The photograph didn't do her justice. The photograph was a
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Speaker 11: prisoner's photograph. And I'm quite sure she was a bit
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Speaker 11: more photogenic than that photograph shows.
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Speaker 12: Her.
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Speaker 1: None of us, if we're arrested, would like the photograph
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Speaker 1: taken down in the police cell area to be the
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Speaker 1: one that's forever... shown on the front page because you're
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Speaker 1: at your worst. It did portray her, as far as
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Speaker 1: the public was concerned, as the monster that they perceived
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Speaker 1: her to be.
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Speaker 5: I find it really ironic that photographs should play such
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Speaker 5: a part in her demise. Brady and Hindley happily recorded
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Speaker 5: every part of their lives with expensive cameras. Brady spent
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Speaker 5: hours in his darkroom developing hundreds of these images. Personal
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Speaker 5: photographs from their vast collection give me a real insight
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Speaker 5: into their relationship.
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Speaker 3: They look like any other normal couple.
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Speaker 5: In a lot of these snaps, Myra looks really glamorous.
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Speaker 3: You can see they're.
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Speaker 5: Obsessed with their pet dogs, but there are clues to
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Speaker 5: their secret life. There's an obvious fascination with guns and
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Speaker 5: the Moors. Later, police realise that these scenes mark the
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Speaker 5: graves of their victims. They escape to Saddleworth to drink wine,
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Speaker 5: listen to classical music and kill children. It was Myra
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Speaker 5: and Ian against the world.
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Speaker 13: For all intents and purposes, Hindley seemed a relatively normal,
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Speaker 13: in inverted commas, young female until she teamed up with
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Speaker 13: Ian Brady.
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Speaker 1: She said she, in due course, was fascinated by him
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Speaker 1: and eventually it led to, frankly, a total Bonnie and
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Speaker 1: Clyde kind of relationship where she said she ended up
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Speaker 1: literally killing for the love of this man, Brady.
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Speaker 14: She was indoctrinated, but she was very willing to be indoctrinated,
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Speaker 14: and she had the wherewithal, perhaps even more than Ian had,
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Speaker 14: the ability to carry out such crimes.
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Speaker 5: But what I really want to find out is what
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Speaker 5: caused Hindley to turn her back on everything she knew
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Speaker 5: and coolly take children off the streets where she actually
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Speaker 5: lived with the sole purpose of ending their lives.
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Speaker 3: As a crime author.
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Speaker 5: I've always been intrigued by what motivates women to kill.
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Speaker 5: I've done a lot of research into Myra Hindley and
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Speaker 5: the Moors murders. And I'm still no closer to understanding
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Speaker 5: how a female could actually torture and murder children as
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Speaker 5: young as 10.
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Speaker 3: To me, I still find that shocking.
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Speaker 5: So imagine the reaction to this case in 1966.
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Speaker 3: This is the.
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Speaker 11: First time that we had people who were enticing individuals
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Speaker 11: from their environment torturing them, killing them, and burying them
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Speaker 11: in a place like the Moors. And when you look
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Speaker 11: at the individual's consent, they didn't do anything by chance.
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Speaker 11: They planned everything.
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Speaker 1: And that's what makes it even more evil.
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Speaker 5: I've come along to the National Archives in London to
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Speaker 5: meet Ian Fairley. As a 21-year-old detective constable, he arrested
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Speaker 5: Brady and helped crack the whole Moors murder case. We've
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Speaker 5: been allowed to see some very rare documents from the
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Speaker 5: trial and of their lives together. I'm hoping these will
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Speaker 5: help me understand what turned Hindley into the most notorious
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Speaker 5: female serial killer of our times.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, and this is really exciting.
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Speaker 5: I mean, we're some of the first people to have
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Speaker 5: access to all this now, you know, so it's all
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Speaker 5: been made public.
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Speaker 3: I think the first.
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Speaker 5: Thing we need to do is get these gloves on
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Speaker 5: before we touch anything. I mean, for you, after 40 years,
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Speaker 5: I mean, this must be... I mean, is it shocking?
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 11: It's like when you think you do something in 1965
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Speaker 11: and you see it 43 years later, it's here. I mean,
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Speaker 11: it's like all our yesterdays. It's all their yesterdays. It's
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Speaker 11: certainly all their lifestyle because there's everything here.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, obviously. This is your notebook, isn't it?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Ian Fairley's notebook records a dramatic event of 7th October 1965.
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Speaker 5: which led to Hindley and Brady's downfall. At this stage,
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Speaker 5: police were unaware that the couple had already killed Pauline Reid,
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Speaker 5: John Kilbride, Keith Bennett and Lesley-Ann Downey, but their fifth
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Speaker 5: murder was to prove their last.
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Speaker 3: On that morning, DC Fairlie was one of three officers.
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Speaker 5: Who responded to a 999 call made by David Smith
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Speaker 5: from a phone box in Hattersley. The 17-year-old was married
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Speaker 5: to Hindley's younger sister, Maureen, He told police that he'd
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Speaker 5: witnessed the brutal murder of teenager Edward Evans at the
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Speaker 5: house Hindley and Brady shared with Myra's grandmother at 16
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Speaker 5: Wardlebrook Avenue, a killing they wanted him to be a
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Speaker 5: part of.
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Speaker 9: What's that?
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Speaker 11: Myra England? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I've got a report of a murder. A murder?
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Speaker 3: What are you doing?
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Speaker 4: You can't just come back.
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Speaker 11: The door in actual fact had been answered by Myra Hindley.
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Speaker 11: We walked in, and me and Brady was actually lying
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Speaker 11: in bed in the lounge, and he was in the
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Speaker 11: process of writing a note to his employer saying he
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Speaker 11: wouldn't be in that day as he had twisted his ankle.
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Speaker 3: He was writing that, wasn't he, so he could go
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Speaker 3: and dispose of the body?
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Speaker 11: Well, in actual fact, he did have an injury to
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Speaker 11: his ankle, and what we think, and what we were
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Speaker 11: pretty certain happened, was when he actually attacked Edward Evans
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Speaker 11: with the axe, he struck his own ankle with it
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Speaker 11: on the blunt end of the axe... and damaged his ankle,
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Speaker 11: so he was limping. He did injuries himself. Mrs Mayberry,
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Speaker 11: that was Myra Hindley's grandmother, was still asleep in the
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Speaker 11: bedroom upstairs. And also, one of the bedrooms was locked upstairs.
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Speaker 11: Hindley then produced the keys for the bedroom. We went upstairs,
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Speaker 11: in a corner, we found the body trussed up in
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Speaker 11: the fetal position, and it was in two plastic bags.
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Speaker 5: At this stage, police were treating Edward Evans' death as
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Speaker 5: a one-off murder. As a seemingly respectable couple with good jobs,
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Speaker 5: Hindley and Brady were quite confident they could get away
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Speaker 5: with their plan B. That was to blame David Smith,
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Speaker 5: Myra's brother-in-law. He was a local troublemaker and he was
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Speaker 5: in awe of Ian Brady.
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Speaker 4: Brady interview, 4.15.
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Speaker 11: I never left Brady's side that day, but through the
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Speaker 11: course of the day, we interviewed him and he made
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Speaker 11: a statement. He wrote Myra Hindley out of the incident
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Speaker 11: He admitted he had killed Edward Evans, but suggested that
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Speaker 11: David Smith had taken an active part.
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Speaker 10: David Smith was meant to help rob Evans. Now, Brady
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Speaker 10: had this idea that Smith was going to kill Evans
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Speaker 10: and help him dispose the body. The trouble with it
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Speaker 10: was that when he saw Edward Evans being beaten to
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Speaker 10: death by Ian Brady with an axe, he simply didn't
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Speaker 10: have that same mental toughness that Myra Hindley had and
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Speaker 10: didn't want to be part of those killings.
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Speaker 11: David Smith told us that there was more. When he
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Speaker 11: said more, more what? More murders. Why do you know
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Speaker 11: there's more murders? Because he's told me.
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Speaker 5: Detectives were drawn a blank until they found two suitcases
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Speaker 5: in the left luggage office at Manchester Central Station. Inside,
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Speaker 5: sick mementos from the killings led them straight back to
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Speaker 5: Brady and Hindley.
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Speaker 11: Now, to say these suitcases were packed was an understatement.
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Speaker 11: You couldn't have got anything else in them. There was
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Speaker 11: loads of books, there was also tape recording reels, loads
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Speaker 11: of photographs, and we found a photograph of a young girl, naked,
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Speaker 11: with a scarf tied around her face. I didn't recognise
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Speaker 11: who she was, but I've got to say, that was enough.
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Speaker 4: It's really a suitcase full of horrors, and it was
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Speaker 4: then that everything began to change from a normal routine
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Speaker 4: murder into what developed into a serial killing by two monsters.
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Speaker 11: It's getting to somewhere in the region about quarter to ten,
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Speaker 11: ten o'clock at night. A lot of black and white
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Speaker 11: televisions on the corner. And all it comes on, and
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Speaker 11: it was children missing from home in Manchester. And the
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Speaker 11: first picture flashed up on the screen was Lesley-Ann Downie.
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Speaker 5: Myra Hindley had picked up the 10-year-old from a fairground
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Speaker 5: the day after Christmas 1964. Pornographic photos of the little
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Speaker 5: girl found in the suitcases revealed she'd been tortured in
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Speaker 5: Hindley's bedroom, something that makes my blood run cold.
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Speaker 3: But it was a 16-minute.
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Speaker 5: Tape recording in which Hindley tells Lesley-Anne to shut up
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Speaker 5: as she pleads for her life, which reduced even the
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Speaker 5: hardest of hearts to tears.
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Speaker 2: After listening to that tape, one police officer said, this
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Speaker 2: case is beginning to rank as one of the most
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Speaker 2: nauseating murder investigations. So nauseating, in fact, that the details
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Speaker 2: may never become public.
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Speaker 11: In that tape, Leslie Andoni has been tortured and she
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Speaker 11: wants her mummy. Another voice on the tape is, of course,
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Speaker 11: Mary Henley. I think possibly that was that tape where
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Speaker 11: the child was eventually murdered. But what makes it even
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Speaker 11: worse is in the background is the tune The Little
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Speaker 11: Drummer Boy is being played. 43 years later, it makes
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Speaker 11: me go cold now thinking about what was on that
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Speaker 11: tape or what must have happened to that little girl.
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Speaker 11: But the fact that.
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Speaker 8: They taped it, God, it's horrible.
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Speaker 4: They'd got tape recordings, they'd got photographs, and the picture
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Speaker 4: that began to assemble then was of a bizarre, ugly,
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Speaker 4: pornographic cult relationship, and it was then that they started
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Speaker 4: looking through missing files, missing children and so on, and
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Speaker 4: the whole thing basically exploded.
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Speaker 5: Following a tip-off from David Smith, police from five neighbouring
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Speaker 5: forces began searching Saddleworth Moors. They were determined to give
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Speaker 5: poor Leslie Ann Downey's mum some kind of closure. But
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Speaker 5: they were also looking for missing children like John Kilbride,
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Speaker 5: Keith Bennett and Pauline Reed.
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Speaker 4: They really had to change their whole attitude and their
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Speaker 4: whole approach to it in terms of the scale of
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Speaker 4: the investigation and trying to understand these people more particularly,
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Speaker 4: trying to get their heads round how many children could
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Speaker 4: be involved and how many bodies could be up on
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Speaker 4: the moor.
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Speaker 5: Police searching the moors found Leslie Ann's body in a
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Speaker 5: shallow grave. After the discovery of the little girl, detectives
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Speaker 5: decided to take another look through the suitcases for more clues.
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Speaker 5: One name in Brady's notebook leapt out at DC Fairley.
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Speaker 11: I was just thumbing through the book and, of course,
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Speaker 11: I saw his writing here and all that, wondered what
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Speaker 11: it was, and then, of course, saw John Kilbride's name.
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Speaker 11: John Kilbride was a connection to the Brady and Hindley
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Speaker 11: And of course, as a result of that, we went on.
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Speaker 11: And found out everything. We looked at the photographs. We
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Speaker 11: actually saw the photograph of Myra Hindley with a dog
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Speaker 11: inside a coat looking at the ground. Yeah. Dug the
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Speaker 11: ground up and found the body of John Kilbride. So
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Speaker 11: this tied them into the John Kilbride murder.
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Speaker 15: The clothing of the body found buried on the Yorkshire
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Speaker 15: moors yesterday has been identified as that of John Kilbride,
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Speaker 15: the 12-year-old boy who disappeared from his Manchester home nearly
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Speaker 15: two years ago. The search on the moors continues.
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Speaker 5: By this stage, police not only had enough evidence to
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Speaker 5: convict Hindley and Brady of the killing of John Kilbride,
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Speaker 5: but of the murders of 10-year-old Lesley-Ann Downey and 17-year-old
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Speaker 5: Edward Evans. so a decision was made to call off
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Speaker 5: the search for other missing children. Their other victims, 16-year-old
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Speaker 5: Pauline Reed and 12-year-old Keith Bennett, remained.
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Speaker 3: Buried on the moors.
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Speaker 5: Tragically, it was another 20 years before Pauline Reed was
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Speaker 5: found and finally given a proper burial. Keith Bennett's mother,
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Speaker 5: on the other hand, has never been able to bury
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Speaker 5: her firstborn son.
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Speaker 6: Until he's found, I'll never stop. Even if I'm a
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Speaker 6: bloody old woman and I've got to crawl on my knees,
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Speaker 6: I'll come up here because I know he's up here now.
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Speaker 6: I won't stop coming up here until he's found. I've
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Speaker 6: told the police I don't think much of him because
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Speaker 6: they've never found him. Why can't they find Keith? They
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Speaker 6: found all the others. Why can't they find Keith?
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Speaker 11: I still maintain, and I've maintained that always, that we
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Speaker 11: did not do it justice in 1966, but there were
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Speaker 11: senior officers who still had budgets, and that was the
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Speaker 11: decision that was made. There was no money to spend
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Speaker 11: on a well of Goochess, and they couldn't do it.
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Speaker 11: Let's bear in mind, in 1966, we didn't know that
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Speaker 11: they had murdered Keith Bennett. We only know that now,
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Speaker 11: because Brady and Henley weren't telling us. The same in 1966,
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Speaker 11: we didn't know they'd murdered Pauline Reade.
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Speaker 14: What impressed the police officers interrogating Mary Hindley and her cool,
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Speaker 14: resigned and casual way in which she dealt with questions
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Speaker 14: left one single impression, that here you are dealing with
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Speaker 14: someone who does not have the full complement of emotions.
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Speaker 5: I mean, some of the stuff that we've looked at
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Speaker 5: here today, I mean, some of the photographs and everything...
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Speaker 5: when she was sort of showed these things, she still didn't.
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Speaker 11: Didn't want to know. Just didn't want to know. Complete blank.
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Speaker 3: Denial.
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Speaker 11: Complete blank. And all she kept saying, Ian didn't do anything,
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Speaker 11: I didn't do anything, it was David Smith. And it
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Speaker 11: was always down to David Smith.
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Speaker 5: Despite their silence, 23-year-old Myra Hindley and 27-year-old Ian Brady
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Speaker 5: were charged with the murders of Edward Evans, Lesley-Ann Downey
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Speaker 5: and John Kilbride. Months earlier, they would have faced the
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Speaker 5: hangman's noose, but the fact that this was the first
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Speaker 5: murder trial since the abolition of the death penalty fuelled
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Speaker 5: the public hatred. David and Maureen Smith went from being
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Speaker 5: part of the couple's inner circle to becoming star witnesses
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Speaker 5: for the prosecution.
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Speaker 10: The extraordinary atmosphere that surrounded the case came through in
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Speaker 10: Mara Hindi's letters and in her unpublished autobiography. She was
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Speaker 10: very aware of that. She described how they could hear
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Speaker 10: waves of sound coming down the corridor.
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Speaker 8: It shocked the nation, really, and it shocked people, what
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Speaker 8: had happened and how it happened and the numbers involved,
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Speaker 8: and also the families involved. We then had television, and
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Speaker 8: it was almost brought into people's sitting rooms, and it
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Speaker 8: was there in front of you, and so it didn't
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Speaker 8: go away.
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Speaker 4: The trial at Chester Assizes was sort of the final scene,
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Speaker 4: the final act, but rather like first night, your sense
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Speaker 4: of expectation. How is it going to play?
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Speaker 1: The whole thing had placed her on a high in
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Speaker 1: the sense of, you know, she was no longer walking
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Speaker 1: on the real world. You know, here she was, the
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Speaker 1: center of worldwide attention for these dreadful crimes. It hadn't
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Speaker 1: yet dawned on her that she was now to face
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Speaker 1: life imprisonment, separated from the man she'd loved. and to
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Speaker 1: be the most reviled and hated prisoner in Britain.
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Speaker 10: And yet what's striking is that in the face of this,
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Speaker 10: her bond with Ian was completely unbreakable. She was still
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Speaker 10: in this world with him and wouldn't let go.
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Speaker 11: They were like two musketeers. They were one for all
21:48
Speaker 11: and all for one. They were all together. They were
21:50
Speaker 11: together in a partnership and they stopped by that. And
21:54
Speaker 11: if you kick one, the other would limp. They lived
21:57
Speaker 11: in each other's world and they lived together. And they
21:59
Speaker 11: lived for each other.
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Speaker 5: Some people might say Myra didn't react to anything at
22:04
Speaker 5: first because she was in shock, probably the shock of
22:07
Speaker 5: getting caught. But I think the fact that she remained
22:10
Speaker 5: totally cold throughout the trial spoke volumes about her character.
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Speaker 4: The thing which lives with me most of all is
22:17
Speaker 4: watching these two in the trials, sitting there, completely expressionless.
22:23
Speaker 4: They just didn't move for days on end, you see.
22:26
Speaker 4: The faces, no sign of emotions.
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Speaker 11: Not even a wet eye, not even, if you like,
22:34
Speaker 11: even a tear of regret or a tear of fear.
22:39
Speaker 4: You were hypnotised in a peculiar sort of way by them,
22:41
Speaker 4: by their lack of reaction, by their behaviour. You say, well,
22:45
Speaker 4: is this not having any impact on you at all?
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Speaker 11: She had this ability to switch on. Like, she had
22:52
Speaker 11: the ability to switch off when she was being questioned.
22:56
Speaker 11: She had the ability to switch off when she heard
22:57
Speaker 11: the tapes of Lesley-Ann Downing.
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Speaker 5: Hindley's fate was finally sealed when the prosecution's key piece
23:04
Speaker 5: of evidence was played to a packed court number two
23:06
Speaker 5: at Chester Assizes. 42 years on, those who heard little
23:12
Speaker 5: Lesley-Ann Downey being tortured and pleading for her life remember
23:15
Speaker 5: every second of that tape. Incidentally, that same recording that
23:20
Speaker 5: brought about Hindley's downfall is now locked in a secret vault.
23:24
Speaker 5: It's deemed to be too disturbing for the public to hear.
23:27
Speaker 4: We'd been briefly prepared for it. But when it came,
23:32
Speaker 4: I was shocked. It was gut-wrenching stuff. You hear that
23:39
Speaker 4: kid screaming for her life, pleading.
23:42
Speaker 11: You could see these people around the court, members of
23:45
Speaker 11: the jury. You could see the tears coming to people's eyes.
23:49
Speaker 4: And you looked at these two and said, no emotion
23:51
Speaker 4: on their face as it was played.
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Speaker 6: No emotion.
23:54
Speaker 4: You aren't really human. Go on, react, react, do something.
23:58
Speaker 4: Show some emotion. so we can basically record it and
24:01
Speaker 4: show you that's some humanity.
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Speaker 11: But it wasn't there.
24:05
Speaker 4: Not at all.
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Speaker 1: Once that tape was played, one couldn't sink lower so
24:09
Speaker 1: far as horrendous crimes are concerned. And once the jury
24:13
Speaker 1: and the court had heard that, I mean, so far
24:16
Speaker 1: as the world was concerned, and the victims' families especially,
24:21
Speaker 1: there was no coming back.
24:25
Speaker 11: When the jury came by and gave the verdict, I mean,
24:29
Speaker 11: There was more expression of relief from the police than
24:33
Speaker 11: there was any expression of despair from them. I don't
24:37
Speaker 11: think there was any expression at all from them.
24:40
Speaker 4: The verdict was no surprise. Their reaction was no surprise.
24:44
Speaker 4: Sentence was delivered. No reaction from them. No words. And
24:52
Speaker 4: take him down, take him away, and then it went
24:55
Speaker 4: out of public gaze.
24:58
Speaker 5: On the 6th of May, 1966, Judge Justice Fenton Atkinson
25:03
Speaker 5: sentenced the Moores murderers to life imprisonment. Myra Hindley was
25:08
Speaker 5: 23 years old. It would be the last time Brage
25:11
Speaker 5: and Hindley would ever see each other. For Hindley, life
25:14
Speaker 5: really did mean life. She would die behind bars 36
25:18
Speaker 5: years later. 40 years after she became the face of
25:22
Speaker 5: evil for a whole generation, Hindley remains the most reviled
25:26
Speaker 5: woman in Britain.
25:27
Speaker 3: But I want to find.
25:28
Speaker 5: Out what sparked her fatal attraction to Brady and how
25:32
Speaker 5: did this obsession lead to her own compulsion to kill?
25:37
Speaker 5: In 1966, 23-year-old Myra Hindley was jailed for life for
25:42
Speaker 5: her part in the Moores murders. In just over two years,
25:46
Speaker 5: she and her partner Ian Brady had tortured, raped and
25:49
Speaker 5: killed five children and teenagers across Manchester.
25:54
Speaker 3: I want to know why.
25:56
Speaker 5: More than 40 years after she was convicted, Hindley remains
25:59
Speaker 5: the most hated woman in Britain. Four successive Home Secretaries
26:04
Speaker 5: have refused to even consider her for parole. At the
26:07
Speaker 5: time of her death, she was the longest-serving female prisoner
26:11
Speaker 5: in our history, a dubious record that she still holds.
26:15
Speaker 5: As a crime writer, I want to know what drove
26:18
Speaker 5: this woman to torture and murder children from her own community.
26:23
Speaker 5: Myra Hindley was born in the working class district of
26:26
Speaker 5: Gorton in Manchester on the 23rd of July, 1942. Like
26:32
Speaker 5: many others, she was raised in a typical back-to-back Victorian terrace.
26:37
Speaker 10: Myra Hindley was born into a not well-off working class family,
26:41
Speaker 10: the same way thousands and thousands of people over Manchester were.
26:44
Speaker 10: The thing that was unusual about her family circumstances was
26:48
Speaker 10: her father. Right, young lady.
26:55
Speaker 6: A father knocked her to hell and back when she
26:57
Speaker 6: was at home, when she was a kid, because he
27:01
Speaker 6: was a drunkard.
27:03
Speaker 13: She had quite a brutal upbringing and there was a
27:05
Speaker 13: turning point, as she describes it, where she'd been bullied
27:09
Speaker 13: by another child and dad had told her, you know,
27:12
Speaker 13: stand up for yourself and fight back and she ended
27:14
Speaker 13: up hitting this kid and that she's attributed to shaping
27:18
Speaker 13: her in the sense of saying violence is okay.
27:20
Speaker 16: Definitely a girl that could stick up for herself. Definitely
27:23
Speaker 16: a strong, confident I would say that if there was
27:30
Speaker 16: any problems, she could sort them out.
27:33
Speaker 5: When Myra was four, her sister Maureen was born, and
27:37
Speaker 5: her parents sent Myra to live with her granny Mayberry.
27:41
Speaker 16: Myra overpowered her gran. Gran was such a lovely, lovely lady.
27:45
Speaker 16: Myra was then the boss, and Myra liked being the boss.
27:49
Speaker 16: She was loud, she was brash, and she was definitely
27:51
Speaker 16: the boss.
27:52
Speaker 13: I think that certainly had a role to play, the
27:54
Speaker 13: fact that she could get away with whatever at her
27:56
Speaker 13: grandmother's house, and certainly in terms of her development, being
28:00
Speaker 13: able to get away with whatever she wanted to, that
28:02
Speaker 13: kind of sent a message to her.
28:04
Speaker 8: She loved her grandmother, but there was always this feeling
28:07
Speaker 8: that she had been put out of the nest in
28:09
Speaker 8: order to create a space for a new baby. It
28:11
Speaker 8: was probably her first rejection, although she perhaps didn't realise
28:15
Speaker 8: it was rejection at the time.
28:17
Speaker 17: The question is, which came first? Did the rejection make
28:22
Speaker 17: her cold or was there something rather cold about her?
28:26
Speaker 17: Was she an easy baby to reject? Did she come
28:30
Speaker 17: into this world with some kind of propensity for destructiveness
28:36
Speaker 17: that was more than others and then was triggered in
28:39
Speaker 17: this relationship?
28:40
Speaker 5: Hindley struck up close friendships with other children and played
28:43
Speaker 5: like any other little girl would. But she escaped her
28:46
Speaker 5: surroundings by immersing herself in the world of books like
28:49
Speaker 5: The Secret Gardens.
28:50
Speaker 3: Her lifelong love of.
28:51
Speaker 5: Literature was to prove a significant shared bond with Ian Brady.
28:56
Speaker 10: Myra did form deep friendships and relationships with people throughout
29:00
Speaker 10: her life. It was a characteristic of her personality that
29:02
Speaker 10: she would latch onto individuals. It was described to me
29:05
Speaker 10: by a former lover of hers as her beam, and
29:08
Speaker 10: once you were locked in her beam, you were the
29:10
Speaker 10: sole focus of her attention.
29:14
Speaker 5: Like any teenager in the rock and roll era, Myra
29:16
Speaker 5: enjoyed going to dances, Every Saturday night, she and her
29:20
Speaker 5: friends would go to the Ashton Palais and bop along
29:23
Speaker 5: to the latest records. But her life changed forever when
29:28
Speaker 5: she started work as a typist at Millwoods Engineering in Gorton.
29:32
Speaker 5: By the end of her first day, she'd fallen for
29:35
Speaker 5: a mysterious Glaswegian clerk called Ian Brady. The 18-year-old wrote
29:40
Speaker 5: in her diary about her unrequited love for a 23-year-old
29:44
Speaker 5: man who reminded.
29:45
Speaker 3: Her of Elvis Presley and James Dean.
29:49
Speaker 5: On these pages, she poured out her frustration over Brady's indifference.
29:54
Speaker 1: He ignored her for a year, which, of course, whetted
29:57
Speaker 1: her appetite more and more, because... What you can't have
30:00
Speaker 1: becomes more desirable, and he was just playing her along.
30:04
Speaker 3: He was handsome, and I said, what is he doing
30:06
Speaker 3: with her?
30:07
Speaker 18: The lads used to say she was all right and gone,
30:09
Speaker 18: but as a kid's point of view, I don't think
30:13
Speaker 18: she was a pretty woman.
30:14
Speaker 10: Myra did write to me about how she first started
30:18
Speaker 10: the relationship with Ian. They'd been out to a pub,
30:21
Speaker 10: it was a Christmas party, they'd all got drunk, they
30:23
Speaker 10: then went back to Millwoods, and she described... how he
30:27
Speaker 10: started dancing and he was drunk and he trampled all
30:29
Speaker 10: over her feet. But she writes about it years later
30:33
Speaker 10: with a great feeling of happiness. You can see that
30:35
Speaker 10: there's real excitement there. And then from that point on,
30:38
Speaker 10: the relationship accelerated very quickly.
30:40
Speaker 5: But this was to be no ordinary courtship. Hindley regularly
30:47
Speaker 5: worshipped at the Catholic Monastery of St.
30:49
Speaker 3: Francis in Gorton.
30:50
Speaker 5: She later wrote that Brady convinced her to give up
30:53
Speaker 5: her faith. Instead, she was encouraged to read books by
30:56
Speaker 5: the philosopher Nietzsche and the Marquis de Sade. It was
31:01
Speaker 5: her introduction to the world of sexual sadism which laid
31:04
Speaker 5: the foundations to the Moors' murders. These are actually Ian
31:10
Speaker 5: Brady's own personal copies of the Marquis de Sade, of Justine,
31:17
Speaker 5: and The Life and Ideas. When you read some of
31:19
Speaker 5: the stuff that he's written, sort of in his notebook,
31:22
Speaker 5: he's got here, people are like maggots, they're small, blind, worthless,
31:26
Speaker 5: fish bait.
31:27
Speaker 3: Rape is not a crime, it's a state of mind.
31:30
Speaker 3: Murder is a hobby and a supreme pleasure.
31:31
Speaker 5: He goes on and on, all this stuff that he's
31:33
Speaker 5: read in Justine and everything else. Personally, I think two
31:37
Speaker 5: people met here who recognised some kind of evil in
31:40
Speaker 5: the other person, that they possessed themself.
31:44
Speaker 12: The Magadhisad is really the benchmark of sexual sadism. A
31:50
Speaker 12: sexual sadist enjoys or gets sexual pleasure out of other
31:54
Speaker 12: people's pain, that is, controlling them, humiliating them, and actually
31:59
Speaker 12: watching them endure physical tormenting.
32:03
Speaker 13: And certainly the first sexual encounter, you know, we have
32:06
Speaker 13: it on account, and of course it's her account, that
32:08
Speaker 13: he was quite sexually vivacious and quite aggressive and violent.
32:14
Speaker 13: That was her first experience, but she was quite happy
32:16
Speaker 13: to be part of that and to carry on the
32:19
Speaker 13: relationship on those terms and of course from there things
32:22
Speaker 13: would only ever get worse.
32:24
Speaker 5: Hindley and brady began to create their own special secret
32:27
Speaker 5: world but this world revolved around sexually sadistic fantasies of
32:31
Speaker 5: torturing raping and murdering young children 18 months after starting
32:36
Speaker 5: their relationship they were finally ready to kill myra hindley
32:40
Speaker 5: was just 21 years old.
32:44
Speaker 10: Myra tried to argue in later life that she had
32:46
Speaker 10: no idea that Ian Brady was serious, that he gradually
32:49
Speaker 10: indoctrinated her to a point where she was willing to
32:52
Speaker 10: take part in the murders. I don't think it was
32:54
Speaker 10: as simple as that. I think that she was constructing
32:56
Speaker 10: a world with Ian Brady and that that world got
32:58
Speaker 10: stronger and stronger and stronger and then eventually they were
33:01
Speaker 10: able to carry out the killings.
33:04
Speaker 11: For anybody to suggest that she could be indoctrinated into
33:07
Speaker 11: anything unwillingly is completely out of the question. I think
33:13
Speaker 11: she initially could be influenced into taking part, but I
33:18
Speaker 11: do believe that she was very much a willing partner.
33:20
Speaker 13: We need to remember that she did go on to
33:23
Speaker 13: become a very active part, and in fact was the
33:26
Speaker 13: one who went out trolling for victims.
33:29
Speaker 12: Most sexual sadists don't carry out their fantasies. That's the
33:33
Speaker 12: wonderful thing about fantasy. Fantasy is better as a fantasy.
33:38
Speaker 12: Reality brings with it elements of lack of control. For example,
33:42
Speaker 12: a fantasy you can control completely. Reality, as with Hindley
33:45
Speaker 12: and Brady, got out of hand.
33:47
Speaker 10: Myra said that they got to a stage where they
33:50
Speaker 10: were ready to commit murders when he introduced her to
33:53
Speaker 10: a book called Compulsion, which is about killings by Leopold
33:56
Speaker 10: and Loeb. So they already had this abnormal sexual relationship.
33:59
Speaker 10: They already had these fantasies that they were acting out.
34:02
Speaker 10: Then he introduced her to a book about killing and
34:05
Speaker 10: told her, I want to commit the perfect murder.
34:08
Speaker 5: I mentioned compulsion right at the beginning of the program.
34:12
Speaker 5: It's based on a real case from Chicago in the 1920s,
34:15
Speaker 5: when two privileged young college students kill another young boy
34:18
Speaker 5: purely to exercise their superior intellectual skills. Dubbed the crime
34:23
Speaker 5: of the century, the killers were caught out by forensics.
34:27
Speaker 5: Ian Brady vowed not to make the same mistake. Using
34:30
Speaker 5: secret codes and elaborate plans, they plotted every detail of
34:34
Speaker 5: their perfect murder.
34:36
Speaker 13: With sexual sadists, you know, it doesn't just happen by chance.
34:39
Speaker 13: There's planning, preparation. They know exactly what they're going to do,
34:43
Speaker 13: which role they're going to play, right up until, you know,
34:46
Speaker 13: the body disposal and what happens afterwards.
34:49
Speaker 11: It was the first time, as far as I'm aware,
34:52
Speaker 11: that we became knowledgeable about how meticulous people planned events.
34:59
Speaker 10: They counted the buttons on their clothes before they went
35:02
Speaker 10: out and killed children. They counted them when they got back.
35:04
Speaker 10: They burned their shoes. They took photographs of the grave
35:07
Speaker 10: sites before the killings and then after the killings. There
35:11
Speaker 10: was nothing accidental about the way these crimes were carried out.
35:15
Speaker 5: Hindley and Brady's photo album contains pictures of children that
35:18
Speaker 5: they'd taken at random in school playgrounds. It's really frightening
35:23
Speaker 5: to think that they may have been identifying and even
35:25
Speaker 5: watching potential victims.
35:28
Speaker 3: However, the first killing was much closer to home.
35:32
Speaker 5: On the 12th of July, 1963, Hindley's 16-year-old.
35:36
Speaker 3: Neighbour, Pauline Reed, was walking to a local dance.
35:39
Speaker 5: But Hindley and Brady had more sinister plans in mind
35:41
Speaker 5: for the teenager's evening.
35:43
Speaker 10: Myra Hindley said that she was bullied into the killing
35:46
Speaker 10: of Pauline Reed, that Ian Brady made her do it. Now,
35:49
Speaker 10: I'm not sure that's right at all, because the murder
35:54
Speaker 10: was carefully planned. Myra was driving down Froxham Street... She
35:59
Speaker 10: stopped her car, rolled down the window and said, would
36:01
Speaker 10: you help her look for a glove?
36:05
Speaker 13: She coolly and calmly took somebody off the street that
36:08
Speaker 13: she knew and fed Pauline to Ian, knowing full well
36:12
Speaker 13: what was going to happen next.
36:16
Speaker 10: They then drove up the moor with Ian following on
36:18
Speaker 10: a motorcycle. Mara knew where to park. She knew that
36:21
Speaker 10: Brady was going to take her onto the moor and
36:23
Speaker 10: she describes sitting in her van knowing that Ian Brady
36:25
Speaker 10: was raping her and was going to kill her. Very
36:28
Speaker 10: shortly afterwards, she describes drinking a bottle of Drambuie with
36:31
Speaker 10: Ian and making love to him. This speaks of an
36:33
Speaker 10: act that somebody has carefully worked out and is then
36:37
Speaker 10: entering into as a willing accomplice.
36:39
Speaker 18: Pauline wouldn't have gone in any stranger's car. Pauline only
36:42
Speaker 18: got in that car because she knew her. She wouldn't
36:47
Speaker 18: have gone with anybody else.
36:49
Speaker 3: She wasn't stupid. She wasn't a daft girl, Pauline. She
36:51
Speaker 3: was very sensible.
36:53
Speaker 5: Hindley quickly perfected her role in the couple's killing partnership.
36:58
Speaker 5: Four months after Pauline's murder, she coolly lured 12-year-old John
37:02
Speaker 5: Kilbride to his death. Seven months later, Keith Bennett was
37:06
Speaker 5: walking to his grandmother's house. He never made it. 12-year-old
37:11
Speaker 5: Keith was to be their third victim.
37:14
Speaker 6: Brady couldn't drive a car. So she'd done all the driving,
37:18
Speaker 6: and he was at the back of her, and when
37:20
Speaker 6: he wanted somebody, he'd point him out to her and
37:23
Speaker 6: flash his light on his back, and they took him
37:26
Speaker 6: straight to the roads after that, and that was it.
37:29
Speaker 6: But I didn't know that at the time. I just thought, oh,
37:32
Speaker 6: he'll come back, and when he does come back, I'll
37:34
Speaker 6: bloody kill him, you know, but he never come back.
37:37
Speaker 10: Mara Hindley was a woman, but it was because she
37:40
Speaker 10: was a woman that the murders could happen. Ian Brady
37:43
Speaker 10: needed her, He was an awkward person and nobody was
37:46
Speaker 10: going to get into a car with Ian Brady. And
37:48
Speaker 10: Myra Hindley admitted that.
37:49
Speaker 1: She said to me, Andrew, I ought to have been executed.
37:52
Speaker 1: I ought to have been hanged. I deserved it. And
37:55
Speaker 1: she said my crime was worse than Brady's because I
37:57
Speaker 1: was the woman and I enticed the children, as it were,
38:01
Speaker 1: into Brady's car and they would never have entered the
38:04
Speaker 1: car without my role. And so she said, I have
38:07
Speaker 1: always regarded myself as worse than Brady.
38:10
Speaker 5: Brady was diagnosed with a psychiatric illness a few years
38:13
Speaker 5: ago And although this doesn't justify his behavior, it may
38:17
Speaker 5: be explained some of it. But when you look at
38:20
Speaker 5: how Hindley acted, it's not as clear cut. Some people
38:23
Speaker 5: say she was mad, but I think she was just
38:26
Speaker 5: plain evil.
38:29
Speaker 18: Nobody would know anything what she'd done. She'd go in
38:32
Speaker 18: the pub. It was all photographs of missing children then.
38:35
Speaker 18: I'm not just talking for after Pauline went missing, Nazian Downey,
38:40
Speaker 18: John Kilbride, all of them. And she'd just go in
38:42
Speaker 18: them pubs and then flick her an eyelid. stand there
38:46
Speaker 18: and have a drink, laugh, joke, knowing that she knew
38:48
Speaker 18: where them children was.
38:52
Speaker 14: Myra was a chameleon. She adopted to circumstances incredibly, far
38:56
Speaker 14: more than most people on this planet ever did. She
39:00
Speaker 14: surely has to be accepted as being psychopathic. Her limited
39:04
Speaker 14: sensitivity and empathy would be necessary in order for her
39:08
Speaker 14: to go through the things she's done.
39:12
Speaker 9: It's possible she'd suffer from a disorder called psychopathy or
39:15
Speaker 9: psychopathic personality disorder. And all personality disorders have in common
39:20
Speaker 9: the feature that you've been like it from an early age.
39:23
Speaker 9: It's not like an illness where you were well and
39:24
Speaker 9: then you got it. And there are many aspects or
39:28
Speaker 9: many facets to psychopathy. but one is this callous, unemotional behavior.
39:34
Speaker 14: She was also quite profoundly evil because she was very aware,
39:39
Speaker 14: as many psychopaths are, of the harm they were doing.
39:44
Speaker 5: It's obvious to me that over the course of the
39:46
Speaker 5: two years they killed those children, the power in their
39:49
Speaker 5: relationship shifted.
39:51
Speaker 11: He was the boss at work, but how much was
39:56
Speaker 11: she the boss at home? And that's something that I
40:00
Speaker 11: feel that she did what she wanted.
40:03
Speaker 10: I don't believe that Mara Hindley was ever a servant.
40:06
Speaker 10: I think that she was a participant in the acts,
40:09
Speaker 10: and I think that she enjoyed them from the start.
40:12
Speaker 13: She remained cool, you know, very calm about what was
40:15
Speaker 13: going on. And in fact, you know, it was Brady's
40:18
Speaker 13: own reckless and impulsive behaviour that led to them being
40:22
Speaker 13: detected and arrested.
40:24
Speaker 5: It was Brady's failed attempt to introduce Hindley's brother-in-law, David Smith,
40:28
Speaker 5: to their sadistic partnership, which led to their downfall. Smith
40:32
Speaker 5: was a close friend until he witnessed the brutal murder
40:35
Speaker 5: of their fifth victim, 17-year-old Edward Evans, and went straight
40:39
Speaker 5: to the police.
40:41
Speaker 3: The game was finally up.
40:42
Speaker 5: And the couple were destined for life behind bars. But
40:46
Speaker 5: 40 years on, why does the name Myra Hindley still
40:49
Speaker 5: automatically go hand in hand with evil? Is it purely
40:52
Speaker 5: because she was a woman, and women are meant to
40:55
Speaker 5: be mothers, not mass murderers?
40:57
Speaker 16: Maybe.
40:59
Speaker 5: But I think it's probably more to do with the
41:01
Speaker 5: lies she told inside. Lies which led to her being
41:05
Speaker 5: seen as even more heinous than Brady. Myra Hindley and
41:11
Speaker 5: her lover Ian Brady raped, tortured and murdered five children
41:14
Speaker 5: across Manchester in the 1960s. 40 years on, they remain
41:19
Speaker 5: Britain's most notorious killers. It's always fascinated me why Hindley
41:24
Speaker 5: is seen as more evil than Brady. I think it's
41:27
Speaker 5: because he accepted his fate and wanted to die behind bars.
41:31
Speaker 5: But Myra Hindley was determined to get out. After breaking
41:35
Speaker 5: off her relationship with Brady, She even tried to claim
41:38
Speaker 5: she was bullied into the killings. Influential supporters like Lord
41:43
Speaker 5: Longford continuously campaigned for her release, but the tabloids were
41:47
Speaker 5: always ready to remind the public of the horrific nature
41:50
Speaker 5: of Hindley's crimes.
41:52
Speaker 1: I mean, she was, and she knew, she was notorious.
41:55
Speaker 1: I mean, the Sun newspaper would say to me that
41:58
Speaker 1: her case would sell as many newspapers as Princess Diana
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Speaker 1: at the time. She was great for circulation and anything
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Speaker 1: would be printed. Whether or not it was factual or not,
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Speaker 1: that was irrelevant. The main thing is, let's get her
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Speaker 1: on the front page.
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Speaker 10: The reason she stayed in the newspapers is because the
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Speaker 10: crimes weren't solved. Newspapers and the tabloids are often produced
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Speaker 10: saying they latched on to her just about selling papers.
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Speaker 10: There's an element of truth in that, but there's also
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Speaker 10: truth in the fact that they could see that she
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Speaker 10: was lying and they kept nailing her for it over
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Speaker 10: the years, and I think that that had a profound
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Speaker 10: effect on public opinion.
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Speaker 5: In 1986... Brady told a newspaper that the couple had
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Speaker 5: killed other children. This led to a dramatic announcement by
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Speaker 5: Myra Hindley.
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Speaker 7: The Moors murderer Myra Hindley has confessed tonight to her
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Speaker 7: part in the death of two children who vanished more
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Speaker 7: than 20 years ago.
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Speaker 5: Hindley's decision to finally come clean about her actual involvement
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Speaker 5: in the murders of Pauline Reed and Keith Bennett exposed
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Speaker 5: the extent to which she'd persistently lied and manipulated everyone
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Speaker 5: around her for years.
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Speaker 11: I would say... that Myra Hindley was evil. She was bad,
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Speaker 11: if not worse, than he was.
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Speaker 1: Where did the evil come from? Was it always there
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Speaker 1: or was it an evil deed or deeds done by
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Speaker 1: someone who was fundamentally ordinary? In all my interviews with Myra,
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Speaker 1: I never felt that I got to the bottom of that.
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Speaker 8: I don't think she was an evil person. I think
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Speaker 8: she was a person who did evil things and that's
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Speaker 8: a big difference. And I think she realised she'd done
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Speaker 8: evil things.
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Speaker 16: You just shake your head in disbelief that this young person,
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Speaker 16: who used to be a friend and a colleague to
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Speaker 16: a lot of us, has done this horrible thing.
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Speaker 3: She took the babies, didn't she, to the slaughter, didn't she?
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: Who'd take a child in a car knowing that she
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Speaker 18: knew exactly what was going to happen to that baby,
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Speaker 18: boy or girl? There was no remorse in that woman whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Not evil, evil.
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Speaker 8: Myra Hindley, probably the most hated woman in Britain, is dead.
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Speaker 8: The Moors' murderess died of a chest infection after 36
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Speaker 8: years in jail.
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Speaker 5: Myra Hindley died on the 15th of November 2002.
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Speaker 3: She was 60 years old.
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Speaker 5: The priest who held her hand as she slipped away
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Speaker 5: believes she did feel genuine remorse for her crimes. But
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Speaker 5: it's ironic, really, because although he may have held her
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Speaker 5: hand and offered her forgiveness, It seems the prison service
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Speaker 5: actually had an awful lot of trouble finding an undertaker
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Speaker 5: who was willing to handle the body.
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Speaker 8: All I can say is that she'd put herself into
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Speaker 8: a position where in the past she confessed her sins.
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Speaker 8: She was one of those people who over the time
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Speaker 8: came to believe in the generous, in the giving nature
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Speaker 8: of God and that in fact she was forgiven.
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Speaker 10: I don't know whether Myra Hindley felt genuine remorse. I
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Speaker 10: can't answer that. What I do know is that she
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Speaker 10: continued to lie about her involvement in the killings because
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Speaker 10: she wanted to get out of prison. And I think
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Speaker 10: that whether she felt remorse or not, that action and
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Speaker 10: the consequences it had for the Reed family and for
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Speaker 10: the Bennett family is something that's very difficult to forgive.
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Speaker 6: I was looking and hoping and praying that they'd find him,
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Speaker 6: but I didn't think for one minute I'd go 40
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Speaker 6: years without him, or 44 years without him. And I've
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Speaker 6: got to live with it for the rest of my life.
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Speaker 6: I love coming up here any time of the day,
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Speaker 6: day or night, because I know he's here somewhere, and
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Speaker 6: it's the only way I can express my feelings, because
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Speaker 6: I know he's been murdered up here. And I know
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Speaker 6: he's with me somewhere on the moat, and he knows
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Speaker 6: I'm coming up with flowers and that.
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Speaker 5: When I see Winnie still desperately trying to find her son,
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Speaker 5: it's very hard to forgive Hindley. As a crime writer,
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Speaker 5: I plan other people's lives and I often plan their
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Speaker 5: murders too. But after getting so close to Myra Hindley,
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Speaker 5: I don't think that there's a writer in the world
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Speaker 5: who could adequately even come close to the arrogance, hate
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Speaker 5: and deceit that festered inside her heart. It's clear that
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Speaker 5: Hindley and Brady thought evil was some kind of spiritual experience.
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Speaker 5: They believed that they were superior to everyone around them
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Speaker 5: and that they had the right to snuff out the
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Speaker 5: lives of innocent children for their own pleasure.
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Speaker 3: Well, no-one has that right.