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Credlin | 4 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up from the show tonight. More bad news for Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: the peak employer's body finding the courage to say what
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Speaker 2: we all know, Labour's net zero targets simply can't and
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Speaker 2: won't happen. Adding the US withdrawal from the Paris Agreement,
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Speaker 2: it's all over red rover or that in a moment,
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Speaker 2: a reprieve of sorts and the escalating tariff war, Justin
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Speaker 2: Trudeau blinking, enabling a big win for Donald Trump concessions
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Speaker 2: there from Canada and Mexico. Now in relation to the border,
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Speaker 2: how long will it last? And what are the implications
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Speaker 2: for Australia. Ross Greenwood with Moore last it was clear
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Speaker 2: her position was it untenable, but that didn't stop the
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Speaker 2: new South Wales Transport Minister Joehlen from crying woe is
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Speaker 2: me as she resigned from the cabinet.
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Speaker 3: The whole saga's unbelievable. But I'll show you.
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Speaker 2: Something else a little bit later on your day in
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Speaker 2: Canberra Parliament returning first time this year, How long's are
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Speaker 2: going to last?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 2: Only the Prime Minister knows both parties though clearly with
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Speaker 2: one eye on the election.
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Speaker 4: I think we've all heard a message right across the country,
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Speaker 4: and it's not the Prime Minister's message that this is
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Speaker 4: a year of optimism and that people are sort of
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Speaker 4: very happy with where the government's at. Australians are watching
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Speaker 4: their prime minister knowing that he's out of his depth
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Speaker 4: and knowing that he's not up to the task, particularly
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Speaker 4: in relation to law and order and keeping our country safely.
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Speaker 2: For first Today, across the national papers, more headlines calling
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Speaker 2: out the insanity of Labour's energy transition plan, with the
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Speaker 2: Peak Employer's Body, the Australian Chamber of Commerce in Industry
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Speaker 2: exposing Chris Bowen's target of eighty two percent renewables by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty as simply unrealistic, a pipe dream. And it's
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Speaker 2: the policy area that in the campaign will be front
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Speaker 2: and center because it best epitomizes the alban Ezy government's
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Speaker 2: unique blend of hard left ideology and unique.
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Speaker 3: Blend of incompetence.
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Speaker 2: Instead of the government's promised two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 2: dollar cut to your power bill, bills have increased by
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Speaker 2: about one thousand dollars a year because Albineasi and Boeen
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Speaker 2: have run the system to reduce emissions rather than provide
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Speaker 2: you with affordable and reliable power. At the start of
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Speaker 2: the government's term, Bowen said that energy transition was comparable
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Speaker 2: to Australia's Second Industrial Revolution, and we need the installation
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Speaker 2: of some twenty two thousand new solar panels every single day,
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Speaker 2: forty large wind turbines every single month for eight years,
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Speaker 2: plus the construction by twenty thirty of on these ten
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Speaker 2: thousand kilometers of new transmission lines. Now, what he failed
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Speaker 2: to mention were all the batteries, the pump hydro schemes,
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Speaker 2: the new gas peaka plants all needed to make work
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Speaker 2: and are eighty two percent renewable energy system because the
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Speaker 2: wind won't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. Unsurprisingly,
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Speaker 2: none of this is happening at anything like the required pace.
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Speaker 2: The snowy two point zero pump hydro scheme, it's almost
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Speaker 2: a decade behind schedule and it has a six hundred
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Speaker 2: percent cost blowout. The Human Link transmission line, well, it's
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Speaker 2: five years behind schedule and costs there are blown out
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Speaker 2: five times. At the grassroots level, communities are waking up
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Speaker 2: to the cost of Labour's renewables only plan. They're waking
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Speaker 2: up and they're fighting against it, against the government's plans
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Speaker 2: to run right over the top of them with sham
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Speaker 2: consultation and bullyboyd tactics. All of the governments offshore wind power.
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Speaker 2: Those zones will there be deviled with environmental protests and
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Speaker 2: massive extra costs. On shore wind likewise, it's meeting massive
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Speaker 2: resistance from farmers and conservationists angry at the dust desecration
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Speaker 2: of prime agricultural land and our national parks. Over seventy
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Speaker 2: percent of these wind companies, they're foreign owned, but they're
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Speaker 2: trying to set up shop in Australia to cream off
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Speaker 2: the lucrative taxpayer subsidies, make a big profit, send that
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Speaker 2: profit off shore, and then pack up and go home
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Speaker 2: and leave us with the rusting mess in our paddocks
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Speaker 2: and our oceans. For a long time, businesses happily went
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Speaker 2: along with the government's green pipe dream because the big
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Speaker 2: subsidies via renewable energy certificates meant that renewables were licensed
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Speaker 2: to print money. Because THEIRS was always the first power
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Speaker 2: sold into the grid, the price of power rose anyway
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Speaker 2: as the baseload exited the system, and then they harvested
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Speaker 2: subsidies as the icing on the cake. Now, just with
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Speaker 2: nursing homes and childcare centers and the NDS, shrewd business
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Speaker 2: people can always spot an opportunity to make money out
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Speaker 2: of governments subsidizing. We saw that too, didn't we with
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Speaker 2: labours shocking pink bat scheme a few years back. But
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Speaker 2: now some of the business bodies it all went along
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Speaker 2: with the government's green pipe dream are starting to point
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Speaker 2: this out and they're saying it's a slow motion train wreck.
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, a food distributed said.
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Speaker 2: Their power prices had gone up by at least fifty
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Speaker 2: percent and they called on the government to get more
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Speaker 2: reliable power and gas fired power into the system. Today, Aki,
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Speaker 2: in addition to the earlier comments of brought to your attention,
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Speaker 2: said that the government was wrong to put all its
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Speaker 2: eggs in one basket. It called for the fast tracking
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Speaker 2: of gas projects to avoid price spikes, particularly in the
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Speaker 2: case of Victoria blackouts. Likewise, the head of Cosboa, this
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Speaker 2: is the peak body for small business, they said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote, we need to make sure the energy transition
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Speaker 2: does not leave small business behind because energy bills are
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Speaker 2: crippling the ability of operators to stay in business. But
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Speaker 2: that's hardly surprising when government ministers are able to say
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Speaker 2: just how much their green transition will cost, and instead
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Speaker 2: what is the totalt the renewable.
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Speaker 5: Plan Peter Dutton's nuclear react to strategy in terms of.
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Speaker 6: I don't even want to talk about his want to.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about your plan. What is the total?
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Speaker 6: That's a pretty simple question.
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Speaker 5: So it's a question that that is that the Energy
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Speaker 5: Minister would be very happy to engage with you about.
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Speaker 3: There you go, with all.
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Speaker 2: The resources of government and Treasury and Finance department, they
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Speaker 2: can't tell you what it's going to cost. Well, the
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Speaker 2: fact is that no other country on Earth is attempting
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Speaker 2: a near total transition to renewables, just us where the Munks,
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Speaker 2: while over thirty other countries are already using nuclear power,
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Speaker 2: another twenty are seeking to use nuclear power.
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Speaker 3: What does it tell you? What it tells me?
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Speaker 2: Me tells me about the relative cost and feasibility of
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Speaker 2: what we're trying to do here compared with what's happening internationally. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: despite being required by legislation to release publicly by the
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Speaker 2: end of this month. The government's refusing to disclose our
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five emissions targets under the new climates are
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Speaker 2: the ex Liberal Treasurer Matt Kean. The election of Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is just the latest excuse as to why they
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Speaker 2: can't be straight with voters this side of an election.
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Speaker 3: Now, if you think power costs are high, now just wait.
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Speaker 2: Until we get these new twenty thirty five targets factored in,
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Speaker 2: because presumably our targets are going to have to increase
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Speaker 2: in order to compensate for America walking away from the
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Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. And this time it won't just be the
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Speaker 2: power sector electricity that's mainly affected. Twenty thirty five targets
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Speaker 2: will hit transport in a big way, not just cars,
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Speaker 2: but airline travel as well. And agriculture the biggest agg
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Speaker 2: emitters of bovine animals, and there's very little you can
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Speaker 2: do to get emissions down other than to cull the
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Speaker 2: national herd, So up goes the price of meat. And
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Speaker 2: if you don't want an electric car, they'll try and
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Speaker 2: force you into one anyway, and force you to replace
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Speaker 2: your gas hot water you're gas heating, and your cook
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Speaker 2: top as well is it. Anyone at the PM is
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Speaker 2: desperate to avoid voters understanding any of this, any of
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Speaker 2: these twenty thirty five targets before they vote. But this
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Speaker 2: is the lifestyle revolution that's coming if Labor gets a
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Speaker 2: second term, particularly if it's a second term in alliance
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Speaker 2: with the Greens and the Teals. All right, Reuben Spargo,
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Speaker 2: is that Newdsky News is there in Camber now with
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Speaker 2: their headlines.
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Speaker 1: It's the first sitting day of the Parliament is now
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Speaker 1: session putting differences aside, our leaders seeking guidance, with the
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Speaker 1: polls edging closer.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you so much, praying for divine intervention.
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Speaker 4: Oh well, it's nice to be here with on a
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Speaker 4: bipartisan basis.
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Speaker 1: Before it was back to politics with a personal touch.
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Speaker 1: Are you on the roll? Yeah, she'll be voting, Richard Leffert.
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Speaker 1: The coalition revving up to also win every vote it can.
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Speaker 4: We're prepared to fight and to take the fight up
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Speaker 4: to the government.
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Speaker 1: The opposition playing defense on its tax free lunch plan,
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Speaker 1: Labor calculating it could cost billions.
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Speaker 8: This is an egregious politicization of the public service to
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Speaker 8: get the Treasury to do this analysis.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister challenging the Opposition to release its own costings.
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Speaker 1: We know it's red hot.
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Speaker 7: This is the worst, sloppy est policy put forward by
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Speaker 7: any opposition.
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Speaker 1: Combating anti Semitism is in sharp focus as the Government
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Speaker 1: seeks to shield their response.
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Speaker 9: I say to Jewish Australians, proudly stand tall, you belong
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Speaker 9: here and Australia stands with you.
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Speaker 4: This has continued on for a long period of time
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Speaker 4: and it is no wonder that people within the Jewish community,
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Speaker 4: their friends, their supporters, in every Australian of good endeavor
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Speaker 4: and of big heart has been condemning off the inaction
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Speaker 4: that we've seen over the course of the last twelve months.
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Speaker 1: Reuben Spargo, Sky News Camera.
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Speaker 2: Well so fiery day in camera Parliament resumed, of course
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five election year. To break it all
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Speaker 2: down and join ow about our political editor Andrew Clenell. Hey,
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Speaker 2: I'll get to Canberra in a moment, but you're a
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Speaker 2: bit of an expert on New South Wales politics. It
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Speaker 2: was your patch before you came to us at Sky.
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Speaker 2: I want to get your take on the whole Joe
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Speaker 2: Halen Saga particularly. We'll start this morning with these comments
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Speaker 2: from Premier Min's on radio to.
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Speaker 7: GB If what I'm informing you about right now, if
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Speaker 7: that is true, what do you do then?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm at a disadvantage. I don't know about
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Speaker 10: the circumstances in which you're presenting them to me. Fair enough,
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Speaker 10: you're entitled to ask, but I don't know. It's obviously
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Speaker 10: that would have troubling if you checked, Wi Joe, whether
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Speaker 10: there's another winery trip. I mean I checked whether there
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Speaker 10: was other incidents or examples, as did the media. I
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Speaker 10: take her out a word, of course, I'd be very
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Speaker 10: concerned if there was another example.
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Speaker 2: Now, after listening to that, I didn't think she was
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Speaker 2: going to last very long, and of course she didn't.
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Speaker 2: Here she is Joe Halen fronting the media this afternoon.
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Speaker 11: When we came to government, we inherited a public transport
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Speaker 11: system that was on its knees. I'm incredibly proud that
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Speaker 11: we've managed to make public transport exciting again. And it
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Speaker 11: doesn't matter how much money you make or how where
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Speaker 11: you leave. You can get public transport. Get to work,
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Speaker 11: do your job and look after your family. It's core
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Speaker 11: to our labor values.
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Speaker 3: Now I had to play that grab Andrew.
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Speaker 2: I thought it was extraordinary, she says, you take it
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Speaker 2: to work, you use punk transport to look after your kids.
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Speaker 2: Only if you're the minister, you don't. And that's what's
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Speaker 2: cost her job.
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Speaker 8: It's just extraordinary, isn't it. I mean, it's extraordinary when
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Speaker 8: you give someone a job and a title sometimes that
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Speaker 8: it just completely goes to their head and they become
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Speaker 8: so entitled and they think, you know, the world needs
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Speaker 8: to do them a favor. I mean this, this isn't
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Speaker 8: a matter of wherever she lives, Summer Hill, going couple
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Speaker 8: of suburbs away and a driver waiting outside for her
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Speaker 8: to have lunch with a colleague there. He had to
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Speaker 8: drive for two hours, pick her up, take her and
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Speaker 8: her friends, including a colleague, to lunch, wait outside for
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Speaker 8: three hours while they presumably got drunk, then driven them
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Speaker 8: back to the holiday home, and then drive another two
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Speaker 8: hours home during an austraight a long weekend. No doubt,
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Speaker 8: that's how it's leaked out. The driver's told other drivers
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Speaker 8: and it's gone through the parliamentary system and Linda so
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Speaker 8: Marlis has broken the story to her credit on Sunday.
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Speaker 8: It's a but you got the sense, didn't you? And
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Speaker 8: this is what you're talking about earlier, Peter, that if
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Speaker 8: she's done this once, she's done it again. And she
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Speaker 8: in her statement she sat confirmed that she'd gone with
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Speaker 8: her husband to the Hunter Valley with a driver. She said,
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Speaker 8: I work that day. I wonder how hard she actually
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Speaker 8: worked that day. So my understanding from my time in
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Speaker 8: New South Wales is you had an option to take
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Speaker 8: your own car, so you could either have a driver.
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Speaker 8: You were allowed for personal things, but you could have
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Speaker 8: a driver, or you could take the government car, which
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Speaker 8: is a bit like a company car, and that would
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Speaker 8: be different. But no, she wanted to be chauffeured around
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Speaker 8: so she could have a drink presumably.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I don't understanding. She was the deputy chief
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Speaker 2: of staff in the federal system to none other than
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Right, so she worked for Anthromy Uneasy.
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Speaker 2: I work for politicians. You know those rules inside out.
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Speaker 2: You get those rules wrong, or your boss does, your
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Speaker 2: boss loses his job and you lose your job. Right,
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Speaker 2: So she knows the rules federally, and she knows that
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Speaker 2: there are rules from ambishopal t these there are rules
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Speaker 2: that you can be on the right side of the rule,
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Speaker 2: but on the wrong side of the public and she
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Speaker 2: might have been on the right side of the rule
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Speaker 2: that she's quoting back, and she's forced the premium how
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Speaker 2: to dump those rules, to change them dramatically. But she
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Speaker 2: knows this doesn't stack up. I mean, she's a longtime
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Speaker 2: political hack, so she was just trying to tough it out.
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Speaker 2: She was clearly not telling the full story, of the
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Speaker 2: whole truth to the premiere.
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Speaker 3: And I think after he.
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Speaker 2: Was all over the shop this morning on radio, you
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Speaker 2: know she couldn't survive, and clearly she hasn't.
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Speaker 3: But you know what about Rose Jackson.
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Speaker 2: She was in the car with her, Others were in
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Speaker 2: the car with her. They know this is out of line.
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Speaker 2: Why do they keep their jobs?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's the thing. I mean. Rose Jackson and
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Speaker 8: Joe Haleen both were backers of Chris Min's when he
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Speaker 8: was up against Jadie McKay for the job, so I'm
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Speaker 8: sure that's factored into it. She is what people call albinists.
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Speaker 8: She's very much an alban easy creation, as a lot
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Speaker 8: of people have gone into the state and federal Parliament's are.
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Speaker 8: But what he's also disturbing is she's from the labor left,
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Speaker 8: aren't they supposed to be for the workers, and yet
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Speaker 8: she's treating a worker as in a government driver this way.
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Speaker 8: I can recall going on a trip to the country
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Speaker 8: with a minister I won't name him, but I did
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Speaker 8: talk to him about it today, former coalition minister, and
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Speaker 8: we found ourselves in Dubbo and it was Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 8: Actually I was another Valentine's da where I'm having dinner
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Speaker 8: with a politician. It's in my wife. But we went
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Speaker 8: there and he invited the driver out. So that's the
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Speaker 8: respect he was giving the driver, you know. And that
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Speaker 8: was a coalition person where she's got the outside, you know.
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Speaker 8: And you'll often see security traveling with people like Peter
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Speaker 8: Dutton and they'll go and have their own meal, like
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Speaker 8: the restaurant will give them a meal.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 8: It's how you treat people in those positions, which says
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Speaker 8: a lot about you as a person. And look, I
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Speaker 8: don't know Joe Halen, but what I do know and
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Speaker 8: what the public knows, Unfortunately for her, it's hard to
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Speaker 8: like her after this. It's hard to think she's a
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Speaker 8: terribly good.
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Speaker 2: Person, a real upstairs, downstairs mentality. I'll tell you it's
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Speaker 2: a real upstairs downstairs mentality. And dear old Malcolm Turnbull,
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Speaker 2: you know, the bloke with plenty of money love the
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Speaker 2: public transport. Here we've got Labour's left wing transport minister
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Speaker 2: who loves the chauffeur. And I think that says everything
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Speaker 2: about where the modern Labor Party is. Let's go to Canberra.
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Speaker 2: A big fight there today about the Coalition's plan to
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Speaker 2: allow small business to get an FBT tax break from
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Speaker 2: business lunches.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is where it gets interesting.
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Speaker 2: If you are a big business, if you've got a
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Speaker 2: boardroom in your offer and you serve up a meal
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Speaker 2: to your clients.
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Speaker 3: There, you get a tax break.
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Speaker 2: If you're a small time operator and you haven't got
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Speaker 2: a boardroom that serves lunches, you want to take someone
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Speaker 2: out to the local pub for lunch.
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Speaker 3: You don't get the tax break.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition says, well, we don't think that's fair. We
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Speaker 2: want a tax break for the small business guy. There's
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Speaker 2: two warring sets of costings.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition says it'll cost x amount and the Parliamentary
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Speaker 2: Budget Office costed their figure.
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Speaker 3: Labor have taken it to Treasury.
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Speaker 2: Treasury says it's somewhere between five to ten times more
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Speaker 2: than the other government department, the PBO. It became a
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Speaker 2: feature of question time today. I'll be interested in your take,
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Speaker 2: but I have to say I'd have to give it
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Speaker 2: to labor today. They were much stronger on this. Fights
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Speaker 2: in the chamber and you could feel they were getting
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Speaker 2: the wind in their sails on this.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're looking for any opportunity to try and heir
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Speaker 8: Peter up and down as Scott Morrison tour bill shortened down,
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Speaker 8: as Paul keating a tour, John Houston down, and for
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Speaker 8: that they need policies out there. Opposition policies so all
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Speaker 8: over them, and they painted it as you're looking after
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Speaker 8: the boss. It's not the workers, where the ones who've
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Speaker 8: lifted wages. Where the one's looking after the workers. The
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Speaker 8: opposition retort to that is we're talking about lunches where
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Speaker 8: the boss takes out their workers for lunch, for example,
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Speaker 8: And you know that can boost the hospitality industry as well.
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Speaker 8: So it's an interesting one. I don't think it'll be
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Speaker 8: front of mine for most voters, frankly, nor do I
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Speaker 8: think the public service cuts will be front of mine
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Speaker 8: for most voters, even though labor seems to think there's
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Speaker 8: a lot to be gained from prosecuting that one. I'll
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Speaker 8: have a little effect, but you know, it's all cost
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Speaker 8: of living, cost of living, cost of living, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: And I'm intrigued to see if either side goes tax
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Speaker 8: cuts in this campaign. I think God would because you
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Speaker 8: could do it in such a way it's a year
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Speaker 8: or two away, so it's not deemed to be inflationary.
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Speaker 8: I think that's going to be one of the keys
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Speaker 8: to this election. If you look at elections over the years,
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Speaker 8: I think the right Howard won they were dueling tax
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Speaker 8: cut packages, one matched another. The Stage three has rolled
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Speaker 8: through the past couple of elections and been a feature.
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Speaker 8: That's the one piece of the debate that's missing from
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Speaker 8: this campaign at the moment. We've got debate around who
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Speaker 8: can manage the budget better and who's on the side
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Speaker 8: of workers and business, and of course the energy debate.
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Speaker 8: We haven't got any sort of tax cuts debate. So
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Speaker 8: I'll be intrigued to see if there's anything I have
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Speaker 8: to say that promise is coming.
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Speaker 2: I have to say it's really hard to cost complex
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Speaker 2: tax policy changes from opposition. You just don't have Basically
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Speaker 2: the supercomputer needed to put all the modeling contingencies in there.
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Speaker 2: What Rudd did cleverly in O seven was when the
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Speaker 2: government then Howard government put the tax cuts on the table,
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Speaker 2: he just matched them. So if the government does tax cuts,
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Speaker 2: I suspect the Coalition will match the I'd be surprised
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Speaker 2: if they put up something that's very complex themselves. Might
20:05
Speaker 2: be simple like this, doubt the complex stuff will come.
20:07
Speaker 3: Could be wrong.
20:08
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, what's going on with Tanya pleversec Because gone
20:12
Speaker 2: is the labor red, Gone is the logo in a
20:16
Speaker 2: major way, she's sort of gone purple out there selling
20:19
Speaker 2: herself in the seat of Sydney.
20:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's an interesting one. I noticed she said today.
20:27
Speaker 8: I've done this in the past. I couldn't tell you
20:29
Speaker 8: if that's true or not. It's instead of red versus green,
20:32
Speaker 8: because it is a labor green's contest, I guess it's
20:34
Speaker 8: purple versus green. Is she trying to differentiate herself with
20:38
Speaker 8: the labor brand. Well, she wouldn't be the first politician
20:40
Speaker 8: to do that. And let's face it, I mean, Tanya
20:42
Speaker 8: plebisc's the major selling point for labor in that seat.
20:46
Speaker 8: So maybe in a sense it's fair enough. I don't know.
20:49
Speaker 8: The talk has always been that once Albanezi and leave
20:53
Speaker 8: Grainler and Sydney respectively, there's a strong chance they will
20:56
Speaker 8: become Green's seats. She's the number one asset there and
21:00
Speaker 8: I guess she's trying to exploit that. It will be
21:03
Speaker 8: interesting to see in the campaign how many core flutes
21:06
Speaker 8: and so forth have Albanezy or Dutton's image on them.
21:10
Speaker 8: I suspect not that many. I think it'll be a
21:12
Speaker 8: very negative campaign from both sides, and it will be
21:15
Speaker 8: all local and all about local candidates. They're trying to
21:18
Speaker 8: get the best local candidates up.
21:22
Speaker 3: I bet your spot on Andrew. Thank you.
21:24
Speaker 2: All right, we talked about FBT business lunches, fired up
21:27
Speaker 2: question time, as I say, have a listen to this grab.
21:31
Speaker 8: Trus are a large company can cater for a lunch
21:33
Speaker 8: with food and our cahol in its boardroom worth thousands
21:37
Speaker 8: of dollars and can claim that cost as a tax deduction.
21:41
Speaker 8: What is the cost of this tax policy to the budget?
21:44
Speaker 5: The numbers that he are asking he is asking for
21:47
Speaker 5: are not itemized in the budget.
21:51
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring Ross Green with our business editor
21:53
Speaker 2: here at SKY. A couple of things here.
21:56
Speaker 3: Ross.
21:57
Speaker 2: First of all, I think the Coalition took too long
21:59
Speaker 2: to make that.
22:00
Speaker 3: That came in at.
22:00
Speaker 2: About two forty minutes past two, so we're almost twenty
22:04
Speaker 2: to three. Question time starts at two. And that's the
22:08
Speaker 2: big counterpoint. Already, we've got big business the top end
22:12
Speaker 2: of town.
22:12
Speaker 3: They get a tax break.
22:14
Speaker 2: This is the Coalition saying, well, the people who miss
22:16
Speaker 2: out a small business, this has got an economic benefit
22:18
Speaker 2: in small towns and suburbs. Let's give them a fair go.
22:22
Speaker 2: A good point. Took them a while to get there.
22:25
Speaker 2: But then also the discrepancy between the costings. You've got
22:28
Speaker 2: Treasury this is the labor costings saying well, it sort
22:31
Speaker 2: of could be as much as ten billion dollars. You've
22:34
Speaker 2: got the Coalition saying, no way, it's a fraction of
22:38
Speaker 2: that sort of money. They've been properly costed by a
22:41
Speaker 2: government entity called a Parliamentary Budget Office. So you've got
22:45
Speaker 2: this warring costings and a whole lot of misinformation.
22:49
Speaker 13: And it kind of tells you a little bit about
22:51
Speaker 13: where even the Coalition is heading for in this election campaign,
22:55
Speaker 13: and really quite clearly they're going to be focused on
22:58
Speaker 13: small business. Bear in mind the Coalition already has probably
23:01
Speaker 13: put some big business off side. Threatening to break up
23:04
Speaker 13: supermarkets is one thing that they've had talk of other
23:08
Speaker 13: areas where they've been concerned about airlines in particular. So
23:11
Speaker 13: from that point of view, it's almost as though they've
23:14
Speaker 13: taken a very populous view when it comes to business.
23:16
Speaker 13: At the same time, you've got big business which was
23:19
Speaker 13: almost at open warfare with the federal government right now
23:23
Speaker 13: over industrial relations, policies, over tax policy, over energy policies,
23:27
Speaker 13: where really in many cases they're trying to get their
23:30
Speaker 13: message across to the Prime Minister and of the Treasurer
23:33
Speaker 13: that money is leaving the country because if they're right
23:37
Speaker 13: now got lower tax rates in America, they've got cheaper
23:41
Speaker 13: energy prices in America, They're going to get a bigger
23:43
Speaker 13: bang for their money in a bigger market in America,
23:46
Speaker 13: which is business friendly. Well, they're likely to invest more
23:49
Speaker 13: of their capital in America than what they are in Australia.
23:52
Speaker 13: So this group that's going to go of thirty business
23:55
Speaker 13: leaders to the Prime Minister's office to plead for some
23:58
Speaker 13: sort of a department of an expenditure, a bit like
24:01
Speaker 13: that that Elon Musk is running in America, and you
24:03
Speaker 13: realize now in many ways the business community sees the
24:08
Speaker 13: government as being anti business, but the reality is they're
24:11
Speaker 13: also a bit worry about Peter Dutton and some of
24:14
Speaker 13: the populist views that they've already come out with which
24:17
Speaker 13: would whack business big business as well.
24:22
Speaker 2: And of course that this policy it's got a lot
24:25
Speaker 2: of support from hospitality and catering sortall business associations as well.
24:31
Speaker 2: How do you see in policy terms, ross.
24:33
Speaker 13: Well, in policy terms, if you think about it, the
24:35
Speaker 13: fairness of big business gets a break small business doesn't.
24:39
Speaker 13: It obviously makes some sense to say, well, okay, let's
24:42
Speaker 13: actually go out there and provide some support to them.
24:45
Speaker 13: Second factor is, if you look at the record number
24:48
Speaker 13: of company insolvencies right now, they're very much concentrated around
24:52
Speaker 13: that restaurants and hospitalities area, and so again, to give
24:55
Speaker 13: them a little bit of a leg up in terms
24:57
Speaker 13: of well, saying it's one free lunch a year, actually,
25:00
Speaker 13: you know, do a little bit of hospitality. To me,
25:03
Speaker 13: you know, suggesting it's ten billion dollars seems completely off
25:06
Speaker 13: the charts compared with the number of small businesses and
25:11
Speaker 13: businesses overall we have in Australia, so that doesn't seem
25:13
Speaker 13: to actually wash true to me. And then secondarily remembering
25:17
Speaker 13: that it's got limitations on even claiming alcohol, So from
25:20
Speaker 13: that point of view there are there are some handbrakes
25:23
Speaker 13: on it. How you police it, well, that becomes another
25:25
Speaker 13: issue because where there government's handing out money, of course
25:28
Speaker 13: people take it. But as I say, it just shows
25:32
Speaker 13: the government is trying to sorry, the Coalition is trying
25:35
Speaker 13: to pitch itself very much that small business area, where
25:39
Speaker 13: you've got aspiration, and so from that point of view,
25:42
Speaker 13: it will seem to be very much friendly towards the
25:45
Speaker 13: many Australians who aspire to having their own business or
25:48
Speaker 13: indeed already have one themselves.
25:52
Speaker 2: And you know, this talk about aspiration and a small
25:55
Speaker 2: business background was something I honed in with Peter Dutton.
25:58
Speaker 2: I learned things about his background in our interview that
26:02
Speaker 2: I didn't know and I think this is where he
26:04
Speaker 2: personally is driving a lot of the attention. We'll talk
26:06
Speaker 2: about that when it goes to where on Thursday, Hey,
26:09
Speaker 2: just on this tariff issue, Well, clearly Justin Trudeau has blinked.
26:14
Speaker 2: What can you tell us what's the latest here?
26:16
Speaker 13: Well, there's a few things that have happened, even literally
26:18
Speaker 13: in the last hour or so.
26:20
Speaker 1: So as you.
26:21
Speaker 13: Say, Justin Trudeau blinked and agreed to send ten thousand
26:25
Speaker 13: troops to the Canadian American border to stop the flow
26:29
Speaker 13: of as Donald Trump calls them, illegal aliens or migrants
26:33
Speaker 13: crossing that border, but also the flow of fentanyl across it.
26:37
Speaker 13: So you're talking about one point three billion dollars, and
26:40
Speaker 13: also that Donald Trump is saying that they are permanently
26:43
Speaker 13: stationed there on the border. The same thing would take
26:46
Speaker 13: place on the Mexican American border. And as a result
26:49
Speaker 13: of this, as Donald Trump assesses the effectiveness effectiveness of this,
26:54
Speaker 13: there has been a delay of those twenty five percent
26:57
Speaker 13: tariffs for one month now. On the other side of it,
27:01
Speaker 13: even as we've gone to wear China, the new tariffs
27:04
Speaker 13: that were due there of ten percent have now come
27:08
Speaker 13: into place, and so China has hit straight back, and
27:11
Speaker 13: it's got tariffs on US products going into China, and
27:15
Speaker 13: in many cases these tariffs can be up to fifteen percent.
27:19
Speaker 13: It's a ten percent tariff the other way on Chinese
27:21
Speaker 13: goods into America. And so what's happened now is China
27:25
Speaker 13: has hit back with its own trade war on things
27:28
Speaker 13: such as coal, on liquefied natural gas, and on oil
27:32
Speaker 13: in particular, plus some machinery. Now remember these are things
27:35
Speaker 13: that Australia produces and sends to China. So if all
27:39
Speaker 13: of a sudden American goods such as gas and coal
27:43
Speaker 13: from America are not competitive, then China could be looking
27:46
Speaker 13: for more of that and potentially more of it from Australia.
27:50
Speaker 13: So in some ways, even though Australia gets wrapped up
27:53
Speaker 13: in this free in this trade war, the reality is
27:56
Speaker 13: that we may ultimately be a beneficiary if China no
28:01
Speaker 13: longer gets supplied from America.
28:05
Speaker 3: You are the voice of reason.
28:06
Speaker 2: I've listened to many other commentators almost want to hide
28:08
Speaker 2: under the bed at the eye of this tariff war,
28:10
Speaker 2: and you've got it right there. Absolutely, it could be
28:12
Speaker 2: an opportunity for Australia. Hey, just quickly before we go.
28:15
Speaker 2: We're sort of days away now from this IRVA meeting.
28:18
Speaker 2: A lot of speculation we're going to get a cut
28:20
Speaker 2: in the cash rate. I know some of the banks
28:22
Speaker 2: are starting to move. The NAB already has cut its
28:25
Speaker 2: interest rate or fixed interest rate.
28:27
Speaker 3: Give us your latest view.
28:28
Speaker 2: Here are we going to get a cut because it's
28:30
Speaker 2: material I think to when they call the election.
28:33
Speaker 1: Sure, of course it is.
28:34
Speaker 13: And remember, one thing that you need to understand is
28:37
Speaker 13: that interest rate movements, either up or down, are like buses.
28:41
Speaker 13: I generally don't come along for a long time, and
28:43
Speaker 13: when they do, it's two or three. At the same time,
28:46
Speaker 13: the Reserve Bank will not want to move interest rates
28:49
Speaker 13: down until they're convinced that they can have perhaps two
28:53
Speaker 13: or three interest rate falls. And so really, even though
28:56
Speaker 13: you can see the trajectory of inflation, by this time
28:59
Speaker 13: next year, it could be below two percent that's the
29:03
Speaker 13: headline rate, because the last two quarters have been just
29:06
Speaker 13: zero point two of a percent. So the markets, for
29:09
Speaker 13: that reason are pricing in this eighty percent chance of
29:11
Speaker 13: a rate cut in two weeks time. And really, if
29:15
Speaker 13: you're a betting person, you'd say, yep, you'd probably say
29:17
Speaker 13: there is going to be a rate cut. But if
29:19
Speaker 13: there is a rate cut two months time after that,
29:22
Speaker 13: three months time after that, there's likely to be another one.
29:25
Speaker 13: But with all this trade war sort of zooming around
29:28
Speaker 13: the world right now, you just sense they may be
29:31
Speaker 13: a little bit cautious, and there is an argument for
29:34
Speaker 13: them sitting on their hands. But mcgut feel is, if
29:36
Speaker 13: you just look at the raw numbers of inflation coming
29:39
Speaker 13: down in Australia, there is the opportunity to cut interst
29:42
Speaker 13: rates and really that would be a bit of a
29:44
Speaker 13: boost to Australia's economy. And quite clearly the government wants
29:48
Speaker 13: to lay claim for this for the cuts in interest
29:51
Speaker 13: rates because they're taking pressure of families. That's the narrative
29:54
Speaker 13: you hear from them, But in truth.
29:55
Speaker 1: The reality was was always going to happen.
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Speaker 3: We will watch with interest, Thank you Ross.
30:02
Speaker 2: Now after the break the arrogance of Chris Bowen, unable
30:05
Speaker 2: to admit his net zero agendas untenable even when it's
30:09
Speaker 2: rapidly falling apart. Plus, why is the government usuly so
30:13
Speaker 2: gung how and spreaking their green credentials?
30:15
Speaker 3: Suddenly koy about the twenty thirty five targets. More on
30:19
Speaker 3: that in a moment.
30:24
Speaker 2: Hell look at a minute, I want to play some more
30:26
Speaker 2: shameless comments from Joe Halen as she resigned today as
30:29
Speaker 2: Transport Minister in New South Wales.
30:32
Speaker 3: We'll get to those it first.
30:34
Speaker 2: What's becoming abundantly clear is that Labour and the hapless
30:37
Speaker 2: minister Chris Bowen now have Buckley's chance of reaching their
30:41
Speaker 2: net zero targets. I've spent weeks now speaking with farmers
30:44
Speaker 2: in regional communities who know that ahead of them is
30:48
Speaker 2: the destruction of Labour's renewables only plan, not just to
30:53
Speaker 2: their communities but their agricultural livelihoods today too. They've been
30:58
Speaker 2: backed in by the Australian Chamber of Common Industry, the
31:00
Speaker 2: chief executive there Andrew McCalla, saying the Government must rethink
31:04
Speaker 2: these targets and they've got to stop putting all the
31:08
Speaker 2: eggs in.
31:09
Speaker 3: One basket now.
31:11
Speaker 2: I don't like their chances of getting Chris Bowen's attention,
31:14
Speaker 2: but maybe this bloke in a couple of months time
31:17
Speaker 2: may well be the minister, the shadow energy minister, a
31:20
Speaker 2: climate change minister joins me now, Ted O'Brien, Ted, thank
31:23
Speaker 2: you for your time. More and more people now are
31:27
Speaker 2: publicly openly saying the current trajectory of our emissions reduction
31:33
Speaker 2: targets and meeting those targets it's just not feasible. We
31:37
Speaker 2: have to rethink the plan for twenty thirty At the
31:41
Speaker 2: same time we've got the government refusing to release the
31:44
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five targets.
31:46
Speaker 3: They were due this month.
31:48
Speaker 2: Unlikely we're going to see them this side of the election.
31:52
Speaker 3: Now, clearly that tells you everything.
31:57
Speaker 7: Peter, I think you're reading a play perfectly. The government
32:03
Speaker 7: has a twenty thirty target for emissions reduction and this
32:07
Speaker 7: extraordinary eighty two percent renewables target which will never be met.
32:12
Speaker 7: And already we see prices soaring, we see lights going out,
32:16
Speaker 7: we see regional communities smashed, and so now their obligation
32:21
Speaker 7: is to submit their twenty thirty five target. They're meant
32:25
Speaker 7: to do that no later than this very month, but
32:27
Speaker 7: they've gone to ground. They don't want to talk about it,
32:30
Speaker 7: and it's for.
32:30
Speaker 1: The very reason you raise.
32:32
Speaker 7: They know that it will only get worse, Prices will
32:36
Speaker 7: only go up further, and you know, we have a
32:40
Speaker 7: real risk when it comes to reliability. The Prime Minister
32:44
Speaker 7: ultimately is a weak man and he has an idea
32:48
Speaker 7: log as a minister, and a weak person just can't
32:53
Speaker 7: bring into heel an idea log. And it's the Australian
32:57
Speaker 7: people who are paying the price.
32:59
Speaker 3: So what do they do.
32:59
Speaker 7: They go to ground, They refuse to talk about the
33:02
Speaker 7: future of their twenty thirty five target. In truth, The
33:05
Speaker 7: Australian people know exactly what's happening because they're paying the price.
33:11
Speaker 2: And they know that twenty thirty five, as I explained tonight,
33:14
Speaker 2: will really hit hard agriculture. It'll go even deeper in
33:18
Speaker 2: relation to transport.
33:20
Speaker 3: It won't obviously just.
33:21
Speaker 2: Be evs, It'll be the aviation sector and more. None
33:25
Speaker 2: of that's going to be disclosed to voters.
33:27
Speaker 3: We know these.
33:28
Speaker 2: Communities when it renewal will sound terrific until they're on
33:31
Speaker 2: your farm or in your back door and the jobs
33:35
Speaker 2: go from your town, right, so they all sound fabulous
33:37
Speaker 2: until they turn up in your community.
33:40
Speaker 3: Well, labor's not talking about that.
33:41
Speaker 2: They're putting them in seats where they think that they're
33:45
Speaker 2: completely coalition and they can run over the top of people.
33:48
Speaker 2: And then you've got this issue about gas. The conflict
33:52
Speaker 2: is huge with gas. Labors say they accept they need
33:55
Speaker 2: gas in the system as a transitional a fuel, but
33:59
Speaker 2: they won't find the gas in Australia. They're going to
34:03
Speaker 2: import the gas, if you can believe it, Australia is
34:05
Speaker 2: going to import its gas and states like Victoria are
34:09
Speaker 2: facing widespread blackouts.
34:15
Speaker 7: Peter, if you look around the world, what country do
34:18
Speaker 7: you want to be other than Australia. I mean, our
34:21
Speaker 7: resources are extraordinary and I was in South Korea only
34:26
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago. Our key trading partners they look
34:29
Speaker 7: at Australia with almost jealousy because we have everything you need.
34:34
Speaker 7: But here we are in a predicament where we have
34:37
Speaker 7: a government which is ashamed of our resource sector and
34:41
Speaker 7: therefore it is prematurely closing down cold plants. It is
34:45
Speaker 7: suffocating the supply of gas, which of course is crippling
34:50
Speaker 7: our own economy. Again, it just comes back to the
34:53
Speaker 7: madness about which the Chamber of Commerce has been talking today.
34:58
Speaker 7: Yesterday the food industry minded that how the Australian economy
35:02
Speaker 7: is being hit with bad labor policy. It's not just
35:05
Speaker 7: your power bill that hits you at home, it's your groceries.
35:09
Speaker 7: You know, your humble loaf of bread, whether it be
35:11
Speaker 7: the farmer, the miller, the baker. Everybody needs energy along
35:15
Speaker 7: the supply chain and it's the consumers that get hit.
35:19
Speaker 7: And yet labor just doubles down on bad policy. It's
35:23
Speaker 7: only going to get worse, which is why we've been
35:25
Speaker 7: pretty clear under Peter Dutton's leadership that there will be
35:29
Speaker 7: a change in direction when it comes to energy in
35:31
Speaker 7: this country. Will be proud of our resources and we
35:34
Speaker 7: will leverage those resources for the benefit of the Australian
35:37
Speaker 7: consumer and the Australian business place.
35:39
Speaker 2: Peter, now, I know what your boss has said about
35:43
Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement, but I'll make the point the US
35:46
Speaker 2: is out and three of the other top sixty emitters,
35:51
Speaker 2: so the US, India, Russia and China, they're the sixty
35:55
Speaker 2: plus percent of world emissions there in that list. They're
35:58
Speaker 2: not even bound by Paris, so we've basically two thirds
36:04
Speaker 2: of the problem and not having a bar of the agreement.
36:08
Speaker 3: You've got to say Paris is dead, don't you.
36:13
Speaker 7: I think there's no doubt that, especially with a new
36:17
Speaker 7: Trump administration, there will be enormous consequences. And where we
36:22
Speaker 7: yet to see what that really means, we've obviously seen
36:26
Speaker 7: the early days. It absolutely impacts the approach of labor
36:32
Speaker 7: in Australia, but it doesn't impact the coalition and Peter,
36:36
Speaker 7: the reason for that is it's exactly the conversation we've
36:39
Speaker 7: had right It's why Labour doesn't want to talk about
36:41
Speaker 7: twenty thirty five target because Labour's entire energy policy is
36:46
Speaker 7: about trying to plaicate the international community like the United Nations.
36:51
Speaker 7: The Coalition we've never done that. Our laser focus is
36:55
Speaker 7: getting costs down for Australian consumers and Australian businesses, and
37:00
Speaker 7: so of course there's going to be an enormous impact
37:02
Speaker 7: by a change of administration in the United States. But
37:05
Speaker 7: our core policies as a coalition, we don't close coal
37:08
Speaker 7: plants prematurely. We pour more gas into the market as
37:11
Speaker 7: we continue, but a far more sensible rollout of renewables.
37:15
Speaker 7: Well that doesn't change because that is focused on getting
37:18
Speaker 7: costs down, keeping industry strong and being a fiercely independent nation.
37:24
Speaker 7: It's labor which is now completely lost at sea because
37:27
Speaker 7: their policy is all about the international community and nothing
37:30
Speaker 7: about Australia.
37:33
Speaker 3: Just a quick one.
37:34
Speaker 2: I spoke to your colleague Anne Webster the other day
37:36
Speaker 2: of the seat of Mallie is her home territory. I've
37:39
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time up there talking to farmers
37:40
Speaker 2: and communities.
37:42
Speaker 3: She's very happy to do it.
37:43
Speaker 2: She wants a town hall meeting, she wants to hear
37:45
Speaker 2: from the coal face. Will you come along part in
37:47
Speaker 2: the pun Will you come along and join us?
37:49
Speaker 3: Said Ted.
37:52
Speaker 1: Absolutely will be.
37:53
Speaker 7: And I have to say Anne is doing a cracking
37:55
Speaker 7: job both here in the Parliament but on the ground
37:58
Speaker 7: to Peter and she and I have been speaking about
38:01
Speaker 7: me getting there. These communities being treated with reckless indifference
38:04
Speaker 7: from the Labor Party. They need to be listened to
38:06
Speaker 7: and that means listen to on the ground and I
38:08
Speaker 7: look forward to getting there as well as a whole
38:10
Speaker 7: bunch of other places before the election.
38:14
Speaker 2: You are a good man. Thank you Toedo Brian. All right,
38:17
Speaker 2: after the break we'll go back to Joe Halen. I
38:19
Speaker 2: tell you what whoe is me. I've got to show
38:21
Speaker 2: you this grab plus bit of sanity. I think we'll
38:24
Speaker 2: turn into the Olympics in relation to protecting support from women.
38:29
Speaker 3: And girls.
38:34
Speaker 2: Lork houses today from Tony Burke. I'll get to it
38:37
Speaker 2: in a moment. In detail, you need to understand this
38:39
Speaker 2: is the bloke that's allowed three thousand visa holders to
38:44
Speaker 2: come to Australia from Gaza with cursory security checks. Well
38:49
Speaker 2: today you went on the attack in the Parliament accusing
38:51
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and the Coalition of having no integrity, no
38:55
Speaker 2: security checks, no sort of handle on the visa system.
39:00
Speaker 2: When they were in government now, shameless is probably the
39:04
Speaker 2: most polite term I can use. But let's go back
39:07
Speaker 2: to Joe Halen that speech today that she gave no
39:10
Speaker 2: questions though no questions from the media when she resigned
39:13
Speaker 2: from her role as new South Wales Transport Minister.
39:16
Speaker 3: Have I listened to this From.
39:19
Speaker 11: The very minute I was appointed a minister. I have
39:22
Speaker 11: worked my ass off. You don't clock out from being
39:27
Speaker 11: a minister. You work every single minute of the day,
39:31
Speaker 11: just like you don't clock out from being a mum.
39:36
Speaker 11: Combining those roles is difficult.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now broadcaster Lucy Zelig, Well, Lucy, we're going
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Speaker 2: to talk about other things. We're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: the Olympics and women's sport. But I have to say this,
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Speaker 2: you're a busy mum. What do you make of her
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Speaker 2: comments there when she basically says you might want to
39:58
Speaker 2: blame me, but I I'm a woman and I hit
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Speaker 2: the chauffeur driver to help me juggle being a minister
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Speaker 2: and being a parent.
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Speaker 14: Come on, I had to really restrain myself in this
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Speaker 14: situation because listening to her make those comments, I mean,
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Speaker 14: your producers would have been having a chuckle to themselves
40:16
Speaker 14: because not just five minutes ago, I was shuttling my
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Speaker 14: own children out of the room in preparation for this,
40:21
Speaker 14: bathing them, feeding them, bribing them with candy so that
40:24
Speaker 14: I could actually be here to do this for you,
40:27
Speaker 14: because I have a lot of trouble saying no to you.
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Speaker 3: Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 6: But in this situation, I mean, it was really embarrassing.
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Speaker 14: The comments that she made because for starters, she said, well,
40:35
Speaker 14: you never clock off from being a minister. Well, that's
40:37
Speaker 14: exactly what she did that Australia Day Long weekend when
40:40
Speaker 14: you tried to and then ultimately commissioned this vehicle at
40:44
Speaker 14: the taxpayer's expense, to shuffle you off to a winery
40:47
Speaker 14: to have this fabulous time with your girlfriends. No one's
40:50
Speaker 14: begrudging you that opportunity or that moment in your life,
40:54
Speaker 14: but do not use it at the taxpayers behest. And
40:57
Speaker 14: that's the issue that so many people have with this situation.
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Speaker 14: I mean, the fact that she said that she's.
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Speaker 6: Going to have to pay it back and whatever else
41:03
Speaker 6: is even more laughable.
41:04
Speaker 14: For me because guess whose money she's using to pay
41:07
Speaker 14: this money back with the Australian taxpayers dollars. So I
41:11
Speaker 14: found it very strange that she also included this thing
41:14
Speaker 14: about motherhood in there as well. We all know that
41:17
Speaker 14: the struggle and the juggle is real, Peter.
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Speaker 6: We both have children, and many of our viewers will
41:21
Speaker 6: understand that.
41:22
Speaker 14: I listen to friends of mine crying because they're trying
41:25
Speaker 14: to manage this juggle as they're dropping their kids off
41:27
Speaker 14: to childcare and racing home to pick them up.
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Speaker 13: Right.
41:29
Speaker 14: This is a real issue for Australians, but I don't
41:32
Speaker 14: know how it works in the context of her going
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Speaker 14: off to have a boozy session with her girlfriends.
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Speaker 6: At a winery.
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Speaker 14: What context did she think that including motherhood into that
41:42
Speaker 14: was appropriate? And this comes off the back of a
41:44
Speaker 14: string of issues that Joe Halen has stared down the
41:46
Speaker 14: barrel of in her short time as the Transport Minister.
41:49
Speaker 14: We know that she had that controversy not long after
41:51
Speaker 14: she was appointed in twenty twenty three with.
41:54
Speaker 6: The Jobs for Boys debarcle.
41:55
Speaker 14: She's also staring down the barrel of this nine month
41:58
Speaker 14: long battle with the art which has just been handled disgracefully.
42:02
Speaker 14: The fact that these anarchists have been able to go
42:04
Speaker 14: on and hold the government to account and really by
42:07
Speaker 14: the proverbials over this issue for that long is a
42:10
Speaker 14: massive slide on not just her but the Labor Party too.
42:13
Speaker 14: So it's been a massive debacle for her and I'm
42:16
Speaker 14: glad that it's come to an end.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I've got an interview with Peter Dutton that will go
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Speaker 2: to air on Thursday. You and I are both very
42:25
Speaker 2: passionate about protecting women's sport and sport for girls from
42:31
Speaker 2: biological men. I think you will be pleased with what
42:35
Speaker 2: he has to say about this in the interview.
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Speaker 3: But you've got some good news.
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Speaker 2: I think it's good news in relation to the IOC,
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Speaker 2: the International Olympic Committee.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell us first?
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Speaker 6: Before I get to that, can I just tell you, Peter.
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Speaker 14: When I saw the teaser the commercial for that interview
42:54
Speaker 14: and I saw that you asked him that question, I thought,
42:57
Speaker 14: thank goodness, finally he's been in a situation where he
43:01
Speaker 14: has to address this publicly. And I couldn't wait, in
43:03
Speaker 14: fact to ask you myself because I thought, I hope
43:06
Speaker 14: that he has a position.
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Speaker 6: On this and that the Coalition are going to come
43:09
Speaker 6: out strongly on it.
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Speaker 14: I know that you're not going to give anything away
43:11
Speaker 14: and that we all have to tune into the interview,
43:13
Speaker 14: which I am looking forward to doing.
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Speaker 6: Even outside of.
43:16
Speaker 14: This issue, the one thing that I have to make
43:17
Speaker 14: very clear to everyone is that I know that this
43:20
Speaker 14: issue of biological males competing in women's sport isn't necessarily
43:23
Speaker 14: front and center for every day Australians. We know the
43:26
Speaker 14: cost of living pressures are a problem. We know that
43:28
Speaker 14: this election could potentially be a referendum on energy. We
43:31
Speaker 14: know that we're waiting desperately on the RBA to reduce
43:34
Speaker 14: those interest.
43:35
Speaker 6: Rates in the cash rate. Right, we're all so very
43:37
Speaker 6: focused on that.
43:38
Speaker 3: But at the.
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Speaker 14: Ground level of the community sport level, where I'm dealing
43:41
Speaker 14: with women who are really having to face this daily
43:44
Speaker 14: when they are competing in these sports competitions, this is
43:48
Speaker 14: a problem for them. It's a problem for women of
43:50
Speaker 14: faith who have said I can't compete in this competition
43:52
Speaker 14: anymore because they've included biological males. Now, none of this
43:56
Speaker 14: should be built on faith or any of these other
43:58
Speaker 14: issues around it, But at the end the day, if
44:00
Speaker 14: we do not have a government that he's prepared to
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Speaker 14: stamp this out and say like Trump that he will
44:05
Speaker 14: not support biological males competing in women's sports and entering
44:08
Speaker 14: women's only spaces.
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Speaker 6: Then I fear for our future.
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Speaker 14: There are so many issues that Dutton has been fantastic on,
44:14
Speaker 14: but I want him to be specifically brilliant on this
44:17
Speaker 14: because I personally think it will give him the leg up.
44:20
Speaker 14: We've seen the success that Trump had. The campaign that
44:22
Speaker 14: he ran was the most successful campaign that he ran
44:25
Speaker 14: in the lead up to the president.
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Speaker 2: Lucy, people, I'm going to run out of time. I
44:31
Speaker 2: need you to update everyone on the IOC.
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Speaker 6: Okay, I could talk about it.
44:36
Speaker 14: For days, right, But the IOC the elections are coming
44:39
Speaker 14: up in March, right, and this is a thing that
44:41
Speaker 14: so many people have been very concerned about off the
44:43
Speaker 14: back of how Thomas buch the former and well still
44:46
Speaker 14: existing IOC president, the way that he handled things last
44:49
Speaker 14: year at the Olympics campaign with regards to Iman Khalif
44:52
Speaker 14: and Lutingying who competed, and there were questions about their
44:55
Speaker 14: biological fitness for these particular games and the boxing class
45:00
Speaker 14: vocations that they were included in because they had fouled
45:02
Speaker 14: gendergibility tests before.
45:04
Speaker 6: There's positivity.
45:05
Speaker 14: All seven candidates have pledged that they will protect the
45:09
Speaker 14: women's sports category and that's exactly what we need to hear.
45:12
Speaker 6: So finally.
45:14
Speaker 14: Failure.
45:15
Speaker 6: Let's see it in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lucy. We love your passion. We love your passion.
45:21
Speaker 2: Believe it there quick break after the break proposed hate
45:25
Speaker 2: speech laws at a state level. At a federal level,
45:29
Speaker 2: some concern here about the risk to free speech. Last
45:33
Speaker 2: Victorian premier finally concedes and states bail laws aren't tough enough.
45:37
Speaker 3: Goodness me, where has she been? Welcome back?
45:45
Speaker 2: As I foreshadowed, real concerned about free speech being watered
45:49
Speaker 2: down in the Victorian parliament. Federal two because the Victorian
45:53
Speaker 2: Parliament will move to criminalize promoting hatred, but the legislation
45:58
Speaker 2: does not define hateful or hatred. Is now, I've got
46:03
Speaker 2: no problems with legislating against vilification. Hard to legislate against
46:09
Speaker 2: hatred at a federal level. The til allegra spend there, Well,
46:13
Speaker 2: she wants these same sorts of laws. She wants them strengthened,
46:17
Speaker 2: understandably in relation to anti Semitism.
46:21
Speaker 3: Oh, I got to do this carefully. Let's bring in
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Speaker 3: the panel.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Alex Anti can send your fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Mensis Research Center, Nick cater Nick. In the example of
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Speaker 2: what's happening in Victoria. You've got the Victorian that was
46:31
Speaker 2: opposing these proposed changes. You've also got a lot of
46:34
Speaker 2: Jewish groups very concerned about the loose language and loose definitions.
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Speaker 3: How do you feel about it?
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Speaker 9: It seems to me that for Jacinde Allen, the antisemitism
46:48
Speaker 9: argument is a bolt on. You know, she's just added
46:50
Speaker 9: that on. These laws cover everything from LGBTQ the whole
46:56
Speaker 9: gamut of things, and we just know from experience that
47:00
Speaker 9: particularly with that loose definition of the world's word hate
47:02
Speaker 9: or non definition of the world hate. But these will
47:05
Speaker 9: not be applied in a fair manner. We know that
47:10
Speaker 9: the people who decide what hate is will be the
47:13
Speaker 9: police and the courts largely. And I'm not sure that
47:17
Speaker 9: we can trust the police and the courts right now
47:19
Speaker 9: to be impartially in this. We've seen this two speed policing,
47:23
Speaker 9: this two tier policing. Here in New South Wales. There
47:26
Speaker 9: are strong laws already in place that could lead to
47:29
Speaker 9: the prosecution of many people.
47:30
Speaker 6: In that horrible.
47:31
Speaker 9: Demonstration or not Toe of the ninth, twenty twenty three
47:34
Speaker 9: outside the Opera House, they were not applied. So passing
47:38
Speaker 9: laws is not the solution. And I think the opposition,
47:41
Speaker 9: for once in Victoria, the liberal opposition is is showing
47:45
Speaker 9: some backbone in opposing these.
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Speaker 3: Well they've changed their leader, Nick, that might help.
47:50
Speaker 2: But Alex, I mean, I think I share a lot
47:52
Speaker 2: of that concern there expressed by Nick. We actually have
47:54
Speaker 2: got laws, we just need those laws enforced. And what
47:58
Speaker 2: disturbs me right now, We've got the capacity to deport
48:01
Speaker 2: half of these hate preachers.
48:03
Speaker 3: But we're not doing anything about it.
48:04
Speaker 2: So, you know, where do you sit on the hateful
48:08
Speaker 2: definition and changes here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: Look, I think Nick's Nix's right about that. One of
48:13
Speaker 12: the problems with hate speech laws, as they are called
48:16
Speaker 12: is who decides what's hate or hateful? And in the
48:19
Speaker 12: case of some of the proposed federal law, the federal law,
48:22
Speaker 12: who decides what's violence? I mean, part of the problem
48:25
Speaker 12: is that in many circles there are people who will
48:28
Speaker 12: tell you that an act of violence is simply a
48:31
Speaker 12: spoken word or using the wrong pronouns, you know, So
48:35
Speaker 12: these become very subjective matters. As to some of the exemptions,
48:38
Speaker 12: as we see in the Victorian law, there are some
48:40
Speaker 12: exemptions for genuine political concern. I think is the term
48:44
Speaker 12: used so that becomes a matter of statutory interpretation for
48:47
Speaker 12: the courts, matter of precedent, and it becomes very very difficult. Look,
48:51
Speaker 12: I am very worried about the incursions on free speech.
48:54
Speaker 12: We're seeing it across the board. We saw it with
48:56
Speaker 12: misinformation laws last year. Now we're seeing the incursion of
48:59
Speaker 12: hate speech laws into the parliaments across the country.
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Speaker 3: I get it, by the way.
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Speaker 12: I understand that they are a natural reaction to the
49:05
Speaker 12: horrendous things we've seen in the horrendous things that people
49:08
Speaker 12: in our Jewish community have experienced. And you know that
49:11
Speaker 12: has got to stop, of course, But we have to
49:13
Speaker 12: be very careful with this.
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Speaker 3: Nick just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Barlow, as the premier down there, has woken up,
49:19
Speaker 2: says they're terrible, they're not working.
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Speaker 3: She's only just changed them.
49:23
Speaker 2: But when you've got young people committing crimes and being
49:25
Speaker 2: bailed fifty times, aggravated burglary, home invasions, you know, machete
49:32
Speaker 2: attacks and more, surely she could have seen this earlier
49:35
Speaker 2: than now.
49:38
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is a Daniel Andrews hangover. Loosened the bail
49:42
Speaker 9: laws made it easier for people to get bailed because
49:44
Speaker 9: she was concerned that too many too many Aboriginal people,
49:48
Speaker 9: too many disabled people and women were not getting bailed. Well,
49:52
Speaker 9: this just shows that if there's a if we're going
49:55
Speaker 9: to take a caution on this point, it's always in
49:58
Speaker 9: favor of the public, not the person in the dock.
50:02
Speaker 9: And we have to look after the public first and
50:04
Speaker 9: not take the go softly out of some ideological reason
50:09
Speaker 9: just because we've got some position on this.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Alex quick one, we spent about sixteen billion dollars
50:16
Speaker 2: a year on childcare. It used to be the argument
50:19
Speaker 2: that we did it as taxpayers because because mum or
50:22
Speaker 2: Dad were working. But now they're going to scrap the
50:24
Speaker 2: whole requirement that you have to work, So why do
50:27
Speaker 2: we payperable childcare?
50:30
Speaker 12: That's a good point, Peter, And I don't know. I mean,
50:33
Speaker 12: I think this proposal will do exactly what we suspect
50:36
Speaker 12: it will do. It will cost the taxpayer hundreds of
50:38
Speaker 12: millions of dollars. It will probably dilute the quality of
50:41
Speaker 12: childcare as well, by the way, because it'll put it
50:43
Speaker 12: extra pressure on the services that are already there. And look,
50:46
Speaker 12: I mean, I think there's a broader picture here is that.
50:48
Speaker 12: I mean, we've created a society where two parents have
50:51
Speaker 12: got to go out to work straight away because of
50:53
Speaker 12: the high cost of land mortgages, the cost of living
50:56
Speaker 12: crisis created by this labor government. This has been going
50:59
Speaker 12: on for decades of course as well, but it's a
51:01
Speaker 12: it's at a pinch pincher point at the moment, and
51:03
Speaker 12: now this government is telling us that you don't even
51:05
Speaker 12: have to satisfy that that test of work. I mean,
51:09
Speaker 12: this is not a limitless supply of money. This this
51:11
Speaker 12: government is talking about magic putting economics.
51:16
Speaker 2: I gotta leave the there Gens spot on. Thank you
51:18
Speaker 2: for your company, Good luck with your first week back, Alex.
51:21
Speaker 2: That's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Andrew's up next.