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🎪 Conversations With a Killer: Inside the Charles Manson Family | Cults, Helter Skelter & True Crime Breakdown · This Is My Circus

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  I'm Stephanie.
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  I'm Meredith.
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  And welcome to This Is My Circus.
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  Hey, Steph.
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  Hi.
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  Let's go.
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  What are we doing today?
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  We're doing Conversations With a Killer documentary, Charles Manson.
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  I- Mm-hmm have no words.
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  Actually, lots of words, but- I have, I still have heebie-jeebies.
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  Oh.
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  Those are my words, heebie-jeebies.
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  Yeah.
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  It was intense.
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  Yeah.
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  So this was three episodes long.
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  Correct.
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  I'm glad we're on the same page this time.
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  We, we do.
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  Well, I remembered, yeah.
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  I watched this one this time.
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  Yes.
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  Each were an hour long.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So it was a lot, a lot of information, but I, learned so much that I didn't wanna know.
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  Right.
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  Like, so much.
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  It was a very...
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  So, some trigger warnings.
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  Lots of trigger warnings.
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  So if- Every trigger you're triggered by anything, just don't listen to this except for to give us a review.
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  Thanks, bye.
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  We love you.
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  But I mean, murder, assault, rape.
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  All the things.
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  Murder, rape, assault.
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  Yeah it's bad, bad, bad.
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  Yeah.
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  Physical violence.
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  All of them.
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  I'm so unsettled.
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  Me too.
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  I, I don't know any other way to say it other than just, ugh.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Okay.
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  So do we wanna jump on in?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Well, first of all- Mm like, before we even get started- Okay I didn't realize he was so short.
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  I know, 5'2".
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  Are you 5'2"?
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  He's a pocket person.
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  He's a pocket man.
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  No.
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  When you think of a- You can't call him that when, when you think of a cult leader, like, I- I know I don't know why, uh, in my head he was like- Right, 6'7" They were like,"He's so charismatic," and, uh, yeah.
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  He's hot.
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  You know, I just- Right I assumed that he was, like, this big guy.
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  Imposing figure- Yes that people are kinda scared of that way.
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  Yeah, no.
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  But he kinda used charm.
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  Yeah.
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  With- And some abuse.
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  I am just floored that- That he was so small that took me by surprise the most.
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  Mm-hmm at the start- Yeah when they were like,"Oh, he was a, a small man." Yeah.
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  And it was like, what?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  He was really, really small.
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  That's kicking that off.
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  That was, that was interesting.
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  Yeah.
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  So yeah, he was born into a family of, uh...
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  Basically his mom was really young.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  He was a criminal.
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  He grew up as a criminal.
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  Right.
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  So yeah, he was on a rough path.
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  So, episode one, it's called The Family.
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  Yep.
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  Okay.
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  So then we're getting introduced to all the players, all of episode one- Yeah like, all of the people that belong to this cult.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So when the doc starts, it starts off showing the Tate murders.
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  Yes.
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  And we get introduced to the detectives that were on the case.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Which I felt so bad.
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  They are traumatized from- Oh this case, still to this day.
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  Yeah.
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  Like- You could read that- Yeah in their faces.
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  It was- That this was still something...
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  That haunts them that they could never let go.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  The one, detective was cry- like, literally, like- Mm-hmm like, choked up in tears.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So I can't imagine how it was back then- Right like, fresh.
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  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Didn't like that.
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  No, no, no.
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  That was, that was rough.
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  So we had Officer Robert Burbridge and Jerry DeRosa, were the two detectives.
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  The two detectives at the front.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yep.
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  And then we start meeting some of the women.
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  Yes.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so you think at first, these women are so dumb.
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  How do you get pulled into the cult?
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  And then- I know and then, you start getting their stories and what he was doing, like how he was pulling them in, and then I feel bad because I was like,"These women are so dumb." We were so judging.
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  Yeah.
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  I know.
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  Well, and also they're, some of them were 14.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Very, very, very young.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Very young.
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  So the first person we meet is Dianne Lake.
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  And she is probably in this documentary the most out of all the women, I think.
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  And her nickname was Snake.
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  Yeah.
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  They all had the nicknames.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Well, that was kind of the thing back then, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Like, you- Like, uh, yeah.
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  Well, I mean, even supermodels like Twiggy and- Yeah everybody had a name.
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  Yeah.
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  So her parents basically opted out of normal society, sold all their belongings and joined a commune.
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  When they did that, she no longer felt like part of the family and she was like,"Well, if I'm just gonna be another person here, I'm out." Mm-hmm.
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  And she, leaves the commune.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And that's when she meets Manson at 14.
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  Mm-hmm, he hugs her, everyone acts, like ecstatic to meet her when he brings her onto the- Mm-hmm to commune.
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  Right.
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  And, um, she's getting all the affection and everything she was lacking in her life and, he definitely had a way of knowing exactly what that person needed.
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  Isn't that crazy?
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  Creepy.
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  He was so intuitive to know what need they had to lure them and to keep them.
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  Yeah.
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  So he basically sexually exploits her almost immediately.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  She described feeling like he had made her into a woman- Mm-hmm rather than being a child.
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  That's disgusting'cause he was- It's so gross a freaking grown ass man.
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  It's so gross.
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  And another, this happened later in the ep but it's still her talking about him, he made love to her.
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  Ugh.
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  And that's disgusting.
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  I hate that phrase anyway.
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  I, it's gross to me.
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  But as a 14-year-old child.
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  Yeah.
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  And she stayed with the compound for two years.
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  Yes.
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  So she left at 16.
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  Yes.
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  Um- Which I'm glad she got to leave.
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  Yeah.
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  Amen.
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  So immediately from the jump, when they- Right she was telling the stories when I was like,"Oh, I'm an idiot." Like- I'm so sorry, ladies.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  My bad, my bad.
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  Super judgy of me.
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  Whoopsie.
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  Whoopsie poopsie He didn't randomly pick just a person.
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  Like, he knew, he could, he could spot it from like a mile away- Mm-hmm um, of somebody that was just going through it.
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  He could see the vulnerability- Yeah in them.
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  Yeah.
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  So, then we hear about the Summer of Love.
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  And you know, I remember hearing, my mom say s- like, I would ask her stuff, you know, when I'm little.
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  I was so interested in all the weird things, even when I was young.
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  And I would be like,"Well, what, what was the Summer of Love?" You know, all that.
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  And I, she was like,"Well, they would have love-ins." And I was like,"Oh, that sounds nice." That's a freaking orgy.
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  I'd never put it together until I was watching this freaking ep and they said a love-in, and I was like"That's what that is?" And did you like, be like,"Mom"?
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  I did.
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  I did.
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  It's like my mom told me about an orgy.
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  No, I'm just kidding.
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  She didn't.
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  But, but she did.
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  Yeah.
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  I had no idea.
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  I guess I thought that they just were just like- Like doing a dance thing, yeah sitting in a room just loving each other verbally or- Yeah giving a hug or...
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  No, n- naked hugs, I guess.
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  But anyway, so I love the way you say naked.
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  I'll try to work that in more often.
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  Yes, please.
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  We also hear about Squeaky.
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  Yes.
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  Her name is Lynette Fromme.
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  Is that how it was pronounced?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I don't really remember.
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  But she was one of the earliest and his most devoted followers.
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  Hmm.
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  And her name was Squeaky, again, so gross, because when one of the dudes- Yeah would pinch her- It was the blind old man that- Yeah owned the ranch.
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  That's right, that's right, that's right.
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  That's right.
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  That's right.
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  Um, again, I watched the episode, just didn't remember that part.
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  And then I'm like, how does the blind man know where her ass is?
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  That's a great- Was he really blind?
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  He might have just been faking it all along.
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  But every time this blind man would luckily pinch her butt, she would squeak,"Eek," or whatever.
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  Yeah.
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  So she was Squeaky.
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  She was k- she was nutso And you know what?
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  I mean, again- I know she had a history.
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  Yeah.
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  She went on to later try to assassinate President Gerald Ford.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Crazy.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay, keep, let's keep going.
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  Okay.
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  Well, do you wanna introduce, like, the early family?
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  Yeah, sure.
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  Okay.
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  So we have Mary Brunner- Mm-hmm who was Mother Mary.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Patricia Krenwinkel?
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  Yeah.
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  Maybe.
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  Katie?
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  Katie.
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  Which, why?
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  I don't know.
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  Lynette, we just introduced her as Squeaky.
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  Yep.
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  And then Susan Atkins as Sexy Sadie, and she was a strip- She was a stripper.
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  Yeah.
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  Yep.
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  So- She was a stripper and then later on we get Diane Lake, Catherine"Gypsy" Share and Stephanie Schram- Mm-hmm Who are introduced later in the doc.
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  Yeah.
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  So he builds this family, and he builds them with all these women first.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then he brings in a couple of dudes.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So it wasn't all just women.
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  And you know what?
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  I thought there was, like, 200 of them.
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  So did I.
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  I don't know why.
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  Yeah.
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  I was picturing, this whole, huge- Huge, building full of people.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, 100.
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  I honestly, in my mind, I was kinda picturing, like, Waco.
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  Yeah, me too.
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  Yeah.
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  Whoa.
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  That's crazy.
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  Well, I think, um- I don't know why.
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  I really don't know why- Yeah I thought that.
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  Yeah.
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  But I did.
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  I really- But, so under 20 people.
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  Yeah.
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  15 people.
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  So yeah, I- I thought it was, like, this big production.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay, let's keep going.
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  Okay.
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  So the ranch.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, um, eventually, they keep calling him Charlie in this doc.
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  I know.
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  I don't...
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  He's not a Charlie.
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  Charlie makes him sound too nice.
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  Correct.
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  So we're gonna call him Manson.
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  Yes.
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  So eventually Manson realizes he needs, the place.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Their headquarters- Mm-hmm to to live, I mean- To live Yeah They had nowhere to live.
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  And, and I didn't realize this either, they were eating out...
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  They were dumpster diving.
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  Mm.
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  That was another way he controlled them, though, was by basically they were just exhausted.
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  Well, as soon as they joined the family, they had to give everything up.
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  Any personal- Everything belongings that they had- It, it- it's no longer theirs was communal Money.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, everything was communal, and they had nothing to their name.
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  Yep.
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  So this is so weird.
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  They find the ranch.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Do you have the name of it in front of you?
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  I do.
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  Uh, Spahn S-S- it's S-P-A-H-N.
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  Spahn.
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  Yeah, Ranch.
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  And it was an old movie set.
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  A Western movie set.
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  Yeah.
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  It's so crazy,'cause I, I have seen pictures, you know, the, the normal pictures that everybody see.
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  Not normal pictures'cause it's Manson, but you know what I mean.
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  But like, the common pictures that are passed around, and I'm like, they're in, like, a saloon.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, whatever.
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  I never realized what it was.
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  So the old blind man we were talking about, this was his- Possibly not blind.
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  This old man, alleged blind.
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  This, whatever.
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  This was his, his property.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It, it was a little bit run down, so Manson's like,"Hey- Mm-hmm We will help you take care of this place." Mm-hmm.
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  "We'll help you get it back up and running." Really, he just, like, was like,"I'm gonna take over." Yeah, yeah.
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  But- Yeah the old dude was like,"Sure." And, you know, he got to pinch as many butts as he wants apparently- in exchange.
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  And now it's not just Manson and the women.
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  Now there's the men, and there's babies involved at this point.
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  It's not just, like, two people or three people moving in.
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  No It's a group It's, like, a whole, yeah, the whole shebang.
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  Yeah.
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  So everybody's there.
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  By the time they get...
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  Okay, so th- they, they did this kind of out of order.
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  Right.
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  Um, they kept, like, kind of hopping around timelines- Yes on through the doc.
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  Yes.
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  So maybe that's why I'm so messed up.
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  Well, and I will admit that because this is so fantastical crazy, the story makes no logical sense- Mm it's really easy to get lost in it and think it's fiction and not pay attention.
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  Yeah.
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  But then you have to, be like,"Oh, this really happened." Yep.
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  Okay, so yeah, so they moved in.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  We learn about the ranch, but then we go back in time and find out about Charlie's childhood.
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  Yes, yes.
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  So this is where they're telling us about his mom, um- Mm-hmm being a criminal and, he became a criminal as well.
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  Yeah, him, dad wasn't around much.
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  Right.
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  He got caught, was sent to seven different reform schools.
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  Is that insane?
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  So this is where I'm like, my heart a little bit broke for him just a tiny bit- Okay because I hate kids being abused and it just- Yes, yes it, it breaks my heart for anybody.
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  But he, and, and ex- this is gonna be a little bit of explicit language, but this is the quote from the documentary.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The, documentary says that the reform schools taught him to suck, fuck, and fight.
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  And then on the tapes, like the actual tapes of him- Mm-hmm you hear him say,"You never let someone beat your ass.
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  You let somebody beat your ass, they're going to fuck you in it," and,"I was never a tough guy." Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm abused, sexually abused.
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  Mm.
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  And he actually then says he went on to...
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  He studied how the people that were abusing him were getting away with it- Mm-hmm so that he could then abuse other people.
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  I wonder what his IQ was.
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  He was, um, he was a very smart guy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But he wasn't in these, prep schools and these things you see, even like a military academy where things are just like regiment and, you hate it because the kids don't have any fun.
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  No, these were rough, bad.
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  And his experiences in jail that he had all through when he was a teenager were really horrible.
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  He was raped at knife point several times.
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  Just everything that you can imagine, and again- Don't want this stuff to happen to anybody..
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  But anyway, rough, rough start to his life.
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  So, at this point, I'm like, oh, man, I, because no child- Correct should have to go through that.
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  Yeah.
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  And gross, like- Yeah yeah, anybody that does that to children- Right even like kids doing it to a kid, like that's- Yeah the whole thing is gross.
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  Right.
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  So he learned through all this that intimidation and manipulation and just showing power gave you power.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So that's what he was trying to- Emulate.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So Charlie gets out of the reform schools and for a hot minute he tries to be normal.
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  He does, for like six months, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  He gets married, to Rosalie Willis, which I'm sure she does not want her name.
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  And I'm sure she's not going by that name anymore whatsoever.
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  Um, he gets a job.
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  She gets pregnant, and he never meets his child because she dips after- Thank God six months.
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  Yeah.
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  And like could you imagine knowing that your father- No was a child...
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  Like oh my God.
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  No.
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  Like doing a 23andMe and finding out.
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  That is coming back more than like you have attached or detached earlobes.
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  That is coming back crazy.
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  But okay, so could you imagine, though, doing a DNA test and finding out like- No.
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  Like you're following the tree and you're like,"Oh, look, this, this person had like nine children," and you keep going over and you're like, there's this face with the swastika on the forehead.
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  No, I could not imagine.
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  I, yeah, I will never do one of those either.
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  I was excited to find my I did.
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  I would never, ever.
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  I was scared to do it, though,'cause I, I was like,"Who am I related to?" And then I was like,"What if I am related to like Brian down the line?" We are not.
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  It's happened before.
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  Yes.
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  We are not.
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  We are not married.
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  I mean- I hope- we are married- So- but we are not related.
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  All four of us just, decided we wouldn't do it'cause we don't wanna know if we have any half siblings out there, Yeah, I get it.
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  I get it.
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  I was like, nope, mm-mm.
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  All right, so- Yep yeah, Charlie tries to do the thing.
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  He- Yep, they last six months sucks.
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  Yeah.
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  And he goes to start stealing cars.
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  Yep, yep.
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  So he gets- Gets arrested incarcerated again.
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  Yep.
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  So for the next 12 years, he's in and out of jail for car theft, forging checks, and being a pimp.
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  Yep.
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  He just thought,"Well, why, why am I doing the work?
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  The women can do the work and I'll just- Isn't this crazy?
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  collect the money." I don't remember hearing anything at this point that he was super violent.
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  I mean, he was obviously- Yeah doing terrible things, but- Yeah, no not, not as terrible as he gets.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So for, again, hot minute- Yep he tried.
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  He did his best.
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  Yeah.
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  Wasn't very good.
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  No, he failed.
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  All right.
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  So then, we learn how he learns- How to be a cult leader.
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  You look so excited about that.
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  I just like this, the whole thing, like, to...
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  for somebody to be able to read a book- Mm-hmm and pull this much out of a book.
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  Yeah.
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  my brain just doesn't work that way.
• 14:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 14:41
  Like, I'll read the book and I'll get it, but- Right I would not- I'm not taking notes I would just not have the brain power.
• 14:50
  I wouldn't be a good cult person or a cult leader, apparently.
• 14:53
  I never would've pegged you as either of those.
• 14:57
  So while he's incarcerated- Mm-hmm he checks out a book out of the library.
• 15:00
  Yeah.
• 15:01
  And was obsessed with it, and it was called How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.
• 15:07
  I wonder how Dale feels.
• 15:08
  I'm sure not great.
• 15:12
  But again, never intended to be used for evil.
• 15:14
  No, yeah.
• 15:14
  It was intended to help people.
• 15:16
  Right.
• 15:16
  Right.
• 15:17
  So he studied the techniques, understanding people's motivations, understanding body language- The psychology, all the things and like, how to, apply all of these methods, and he chose to use the superpower for evil.
• 15:30
  Instead of good.
• 15:32
  Again, he was described as, super charismatic.
• 15:34
  Everybody that met him was just like,"Oh, this, this man is- Mm-hmm so nice." And he- But he, they, they felt like he connected with them.
• 15:41
  Right.
• 15:41
  Like, every person he met felt special.
• 15:44
  Right.
• 15:44
  So, and he was like a chameleon.
• 15:45
  Yeah.
• 15:46
  Like that.
• 15:46
  Yes, he just had that ability.
• 15:47
  Yes.
• 15:48
  I don't like talking to people, period.
• 15:51
  Could...
• 15:51
  I, I would be so bad at any of this.
• 15:53
  Oh my gosh.
• 15:54
  This is not in my future, thank God.
• 15:57
  I'm glad you're safe.
• 15:59
  But I would come get you.
• 16:00
  Like, if you got caught up in something, I would come get you.
• 16:02
  Oh, thank you.
• 16:02
  I would hire somebody to come get you.
• 16:04
  You know how they hire the people?
• 16:05
  Would, would you join my cult?
• 16:06
  No.
• 16:07
  We're g- oh, let's start one.
• 16:08
  I know.
• 16:10
  Okay.
• 16:10
  Yeah.
• 16:11
  I'm not joining somebody else's with you, but we'll start one.
• 16:13
  We'll start one together.
• 16:14
  Okay, yeah.
• 16:14
  Yeah.
• 16:14
  We'll, we'll co-lead.
• 16:15
  Yeah.
• 16:16
  Absolutely.
• 16:17
  It's perfect.
• 16:18
  Great plan.
• 16:19
  So while he's in jail though, we learn he wants to be a rock star.
• 16:24
  I swear this- This just kept going, like, in so many different directions it's, it does not feel real.
• 16:30
  It feels so detached- Mm because it goes in so many different directions, and none of them connect.
• 16:35
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  And nothing I...
• 16:36
  I mean, not that I've, really studied- Yeah Charles Manson, but No nothing I've ever heard before.
• 16:41
  Well, the only thing I ever knew was, like, he was involved with the Beach Boys.
• 16:44
  And when I hear Beach Boys, I think, like- I, I didn't even hear- Surf US.
• 16:47
  I don't think, like, dark and twisted.
• 16:49
  Yeah.
• 16:50
  So we'll circle back and get to that.
• 16:51
  Yeah.
• 16:51
  But yeah, yeah.
• 16:52
  Super crazy.
• 16:53
  And we start hearing some of his songs eventually.
• 16:55
  Uh, yeah.
• 16:55
  Ugh.
• 16:57
  Okay.
• 16:57
  We meet Phil Kaufman- Yep who is the former inmate that Manson hears that this dude has connections in the music industry, so he latches on.
• 17:06
  Yep.
• 17:07
  He becomes his best friend.
• 17:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:08
  Thinking, there's gonna be some kind of payout at the end of this.
• 17:11
  But he describes Charlie's music as meant for young girls with the message of,"No one loves you but me." Ew.
• 17:18
  Yeah.
• 17:19
  I just like, I just, ugh.
• 17:21
  I know.
• 17:21
  I know.
• 17:22
  Okay, so this is where the drugs start coming into play.
• 17:25
  Yep.
• 17:25
  Yep.
• 17:26
  So he gives his people drugs.
• 17:28
  Okay.
• 17:28
  And he literally puts it in their mouths- Mm and makes them, move their tongue around and open their mouth to make sure that they...
• 17:35
  Kinda like in jail.
• 17:37
  Making sure.
• 17:37
  But they don't know if he's ever taken the drugs or, if he has, it's a very small amount.
• 17:42
  One girl actually says,"I don't think he ever did"- Mm-hmm because he doesn't like to lose control.
• 17:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:48
  Mm.
• 17:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:49
  Again,, you and I had talked about this, but there is, documented records in the CIA that he was part of the CIA, whatever, when they were choosing drugs to try to do mind control.
• 17:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:59
  He was part of that.
• 18:00
  That's so crazy.
• 18:01
  Yeah.
• 18:02
  That is so crazy.
• 18:03
  It wasn't in this doc, but Right we've talked about this before.
• 18:05
  Right.
• 18:06
  And, and drugs were flowing.
• 18:07
  Yeah.
• 18:08
  Uh, but at his, at his control.
• 18:10
  You could only get high when he wanted you to get high.
• 18:12
  Right.
• 18:12
  It wasn't like everybody was just stoned whenever.
• 18:14
  He had the drugs, and he told you when it was time to do whatever.
• 18:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:18
  They didn't have any free will.
• 18:19
  Mm-mm.
• 18:20
  Mm-mm.
• 18:21
  Um, and then she said that while they were on the LSD, it was lots of sex.
• 18:26
  They had the love-ins, which, uh, equal orgies.
• 18:31
  Which- I'm not grown up enough to say these things.
• 18:37
  There's gotta be adults Oh, no, there's gotta be a better adult than me than this.
• 18:40
  Yeah.
• 18:40
  And he was, like, pairing them up or telling who to do what with whoever.
• 18:46
  Again, they had no free will.
• 18:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:47
  And he was just passing everybody to whoever he wanted to pass them to, but- Yeah but drugs were rampant.
• 18:53
  A lot of acid.
• 18:54
  But it was the free love commune.
• 18:55
  It was the free love commune.
• 18:57
  Yeah.
• 18:57
  So now his mask starts to slip a little bit- Mm-hmm because the girls are like,"What the heck?" You know?
• 19:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:04
  Like,"This isn't right." He begins demanding bizarre obedience.
• 19:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:08
  The one girl, Stephanie, which I was like,"Don't say my name in this." Don't say it.
• 19:13
  Remembers everyone being required to step exactly where he stepped- Yes whenever they went through the desert.
• 19:18
  That was crazy.
• 19:19
  And if they didn't, then they got punished.
• 19:22
  And there was, conversation about one of them really getting- Beaten beaten because they did not, just did not step in his exact footprints in the sand.
• 19:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:30
  So crazy.
• 19:31
  Yeah.
• 19:31
  It's so crazy, and I'm like, do you not understand?
• 19:35
  We've talked about having out-of-body experiences- Mm-hmm and being like,"Okay, this is crazy." I think that's one that I'd be like,"Wait a minute.
• 19:41
  Hold up.""Something ain't right." But they've been conditioned, and I think- Yes this is what she said.
• 19:46
  That he was constantly telling them not to think for themselves.
• 19:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:50
  Um, that they had to be more in touch with a higher power.
• 19:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:54
  So he was conditioning them to think he was a higher power- Right because they said that he was transcended.
• 19:58
  They called him like a demigod.
• 19:59
  Yeah.
• 20:00
  Crazy pants.
• 20:01
  And we also have to remember they're on this ranch, they're isolated.
• 20:04
  And I don't mean just like they don't see anybody, they don't have a clock.
• 20:09
  They don't know what time of day it is.
• 20:10
  He has complete control over everything, over them knowing what time of day it is.
• 20:15
  Yeah.
• 20:15
  They weren't allowed to think for themselves.
• 20:17
  Right.
• 20:17
  And if they stepped out of line, there was consequences.
• 20:20
  Yes.
• 20:20
  It was no more everybody loves each other, everybody's free to do what they want.
• 20:23
  Right.
• 20:23
  Now it is like you do what Charlie wants or else.
• 20:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:27
  And here comes the Beach Boys.
• 20:29
  Yeah, here we go.
• 20:29
  Ba, bup, a doo, ba.
• 20:30
  Wait, no, whatever.
• 20:31
  Wrong, wrong song, but, but yeah, so he- Everybody goes surfin' Yeah, thank you.
• 20:36
  That was totally lost.
• 20:37
  Every USA.
• 20:38
  Yeah, so Did he meet them through his, the producer friend?
• 20:41
  No.
• 20:41
  He picked them up as, hitchhikers.
• 20:43
  Yes.
• 20:44
  Yes.
• 20:45
  So this is the drummer for the Beach Boys, and his name was, um- He was Dennis Dennis Wilson.
• 20:49
  Yep.
• 20:50
  And he was, um, the youngest one?
• 20:52
  He- Middle one.
• 20:53
  Middle.
• 20:53
  Middle one.
• 20:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:54
  He was the middle one of the Beach Boys, and they really connected.
• 20:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:58
  But he also felt like he didn't get enough, Shine?
• 21:01
  Yeah.
• 21:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:01
  In the Beach Boys.
• 21:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:02
  Which he didn't,'cause I didn't know who he was.
• 21:04
  Same.
• 21:05
  Well, it wasn't my era either, but.
• 21:06
  Right, right.
• 21:07
  Literally knew, knew none of their names, but still.
• 21:09
  Yeah.
• 21:10
  He felt like he was getting to backstage a lot.
• 21:12
  Right.
• 21:12
  Again.
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Pick up on that quick.
• 21:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:15
  So he picks up the, the girls, which were hitchhiking, and, bring them to his house, whatever.
• 21:19
  The next day he comes home, and out comes Charlie like he's the host of the house.
• 21:24
  Like,"Welcome." What?
• 21:26
  Oh, the thought of the two of him standing there.
• 21:29
  Can you imagine walking up to your own home and this dude comes out- So weird like,"Welcome home." Oh, uh, is that not crazy?
• 21:35
  So dude's like,"Hey, are, are you gonna hurt me?
• 21:38
  Like, what, what is going on?" What's up?
• 21:39
  Yeah.
• 21:39
  And thinking he's getting robbed or whatever, and Charlie's like,"Why would I do something like that?" And kisses his feet.
• 21:44
  Like, kneels down and kisses his feet.
• 21:45
  Literally kisses his feet.
• 21:47
  It just gets weirder and weirder.
• 21:49
  It does get weirder and weirder, but again, he knew that that dude needed to feel important- Yeah and he did that act for that purpose.
• 21:55
  But still, those personalities, I was just shocked that he got down on his knees and kissed somebody's feet.
• 22:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:01
  I never would...
• 22:02
  That's- Yeah that's never, like, gone through my mind as my first time meeting someone.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:06
  Or second.
• 22:06
  So now Dennis is like,"Hey, I'm like, I'm- I'm somebody a star now." Yeah, yeah.
• 22:10
  So like,"Yeah, let's do this." Yeah.
• 22:12
  So he's chilling with the girls.
• 22:13
  It's like women, drugs, sex, music, everything.
• 22:16
  Yeah he's like, this is the life I want." Mm-hmm.
• 22:17
  You know?
• 22:18
  Heck yeah.
• 22:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:19
  Then he, was like,"Oh, let me introduce you to some, some industry people.
• 22:23
  Your music's great.
• 22:24
  Like, let me help you out." Mm-hmm.
• 22:26
  Your face just said it all.
• 22:28
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  So he meets, Terry Melcher here.
• 22:31
  Yep, and that's Doris Day's son.
• 22:33
  Is that...
• 22:33
  Oh, really?
• 22:34
  Yeah.
• 22:34
  What a small world.
• 22:35
  So he's a producer.
• 22:37
  Right.
• 22:37
  And he gets to meet him.
• 22:38
  Because he grew up in the industry, he has a sense to recognize, when things are not right.
• 22:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:43
  And so he, immediate- Mm is like,"Mm." Spidey senses.
• 22:46
  Like this.
• 22:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:47
  And when when Dennis is driving Terry home and Charlie's in the car, they had made, a note in the documentary, he was like,"You are not gonna want to know my house," and got dropped off at the gate and walked up to the house.
• 22:57
  Smart.
• 22:58
  Did not want anything- So smart to do with dude.
• 23:01
  Zero, zero, zero.
• 23:03
  Yeah.
• 23:03
  Yeah.
• 23:04
  Smart guy.
• 23:05
  But this is also where we hear about the first hmm, weird...
• 23:10
  This, his address was 10050 Cielo Drive, which is where Sharon Tate lived.
• 23:16
  Yep.
• 23:17
  So he was the owner before Sharon.
• 23:19
  Which is, we'll get to that later- Yeah but he, he knew things about it.
• 23:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:22
  Yeah.
• 23:24
  Well, and at this point, too, we find out that the, The Beach Boys had heard some of his music, and they took one of his songs.
• 23:29
  they paid for one of his songs.
• 23:30
  Well, yeah, but that, that's so weird.
• 23:32
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  To know that their music is Manson's music.
• 23:36
  So crazy.
• 23:37
  And, Yeah.
• 23:38
  He gets rejected by them in the, like that's it though Well, so Dennis eventually gets Mason a recording studio, session Yes, yes, yes, yes and all was going okay until the sound engineer was like,"Hey, get a little closer to your mic," or giving him just the feedback to make the best possible- Which is what they do Right.
• 23:54
  It's their job.
• 23:55
  Well, of course, Charlie- Does not take any kind of criticism well Mm-mm.
• 24:01
  And what does he do?
• 24:02
  He holds him at, knife point and threatens him.
• 24:05
  And so sound engineer's like- No thank you"Mm, we are done." Yep, yep, that's it.
• 24:09
  That's, that's,"Here's the contract.
• 24:10
  Sh- shreds it." Yeah.
• 24:12
  Nope.
• 24:12
  Yep.
• 24:13
  So not the best way to get a record deal, buddy.
• 24:15
  No, no.
• 24:16
  Um, the resulting tapes that were made before the incident did not impress anyone, and Charlie thinks that this is Dennis' fault somehow.
• 24:24
  Right.
• 24:25
  It's never his fault.
• 24:26
  Right.
• 24:27
  No, of course not.
• 24:28
  And but this fuels rage that he's already got, probably because he's short.
• 24:33
  He's got Napoleon syndrome.
• 24:34
  Definitely.
• 24:35
  And, and just his, his life, and so this- Let's just kill that, okay?
• 24:40
  But you're a cute pocket person.
• 24:41
  He's a demented pocket person.
• 24:43
  So yeah, that just adds fuel to his fire.
• 24:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:47
  So this is when Dennis is like,"Okay, things are not right." Mm-hmm.
• 24:50
  "Like, I gotta ditch these people.
• 24:52
  Like, how do I-" Yeah get myself out of this?" Right.
• 24:53
  Because now it's like, ugh.
• 24:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:56
  So they're running up his bills, like- Just credit card bills, just like- Spending his money, like- All of them.
• 25:02
  Yep.
• 25:02
  Um, they've basically taken over the house, and Manson's starting to become violent.
• 25:09
  So Dennis is like,"Mm, I gotta go on tour." Yeah.
• 25:13
  "I'll be back.
• 25:14
  You guys just chill." And the landlord kicks them out- Mm-hmm of Dennis's house.
• 25:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:19
  Pretty much Dennis said like,"Hey, I, I'm gonna leave.
• 25:22
  Can you go take care of this for me?
• 25:23
  It won't be bad." Yeah.
• 25:24
  "Like you just go do it, but I gotta go.
• 25:26
  I'm late, so if you could just do it." And poor landlord goes and has to deal with- Not knowing- the Manson family.
• 25:31
  But n- yeah, not knowing- Not knowing- like what he's walking into what he's, exactly But luckily he didn't, they didn't do anything to him.
• 25:37
  Correct.
• 25:37
  Yeah, so he starts his tour.
• 25:38
  His lease is over at that place, and the landlord kicks him out.
• 25:41
  Yeah.
• 25:42
  This is when we start to hear about this song.
• 25:45
  Yes.
• 25:46
  Which again, like you said- Mm-hmm never in my life would I have ever- Mm-mm associated The Beach Boys- With any lyrics that Manson wrote?
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  So Dennis made a deal with Charlie, and paid him for the song.
• 25:58
  So in his mind, Dennis's mind, he's like,"I paid for the song.
• 26:00
  It's mine." Right.
• 26:01
  And he wrote, rewrote it some.
• 26:03
  he made it more sexual- Yeah I think they said, something like that.
• 26:05
  But in Charlie's mind,"That's still my song." Mm-hmm.
• 26:08
  I don't care if you paid for it or not.
• 26:09
  It's still mine.
• 26:10
  It's mine.
• 26:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:11
  And so Manson wrote it, it was called Cease to Exist.
• 26:14
  When Dennis reworked it, it became Never Learn Not to Love, which I've never heard.
• 26:19
  Mm-mm.
• 26:19
  And I don't want to.
• 26:20
  No.
• 26:21
  No.
• 26:22
  So Wilson was credited as the sole songwriter, which- Yeah.
• 26:27
  Infuriated- Uh-huh Charlie.
• 26:29
  Uh-huh.
• 26:29
  Charles- Manson Manson.
• 26:33
  So now he's been rejected from having a career himself.
• 26:37
  He, he feels like his music has been stolen, so this is just, again, more rage.
• 26:42
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:43
  Um, so, you know, he, his, his laundry list of, grievances is- Mm-hmm growing.
• 26:47
  Is taller than he is.
• 26:52
  True.
• 26:54
  He thinks Dennis betrayed him, Hollywood betrayed him, Terry betrayed him.
• 26:59
  Everybody.
• 27:00
  The music industry doesn't recognize his musical genius, and everybody owes him something.
• 27:04
  It's everybody else, and they owe him all the things.
• 27:07
  Right.
• 27:08
  Right.
• 27:08
  Which is, you know, we hear this story a lot- Yeah in all of our true crime- We sure do cases.
• 27:14
  We sure do.
• 27:15
  But Dennis, you know, was like,"Hey, Terry, just throw me a bone.
• 27:18
  Can you please go listen to this music?" Mm-hmm.
• 27:20
  Like,"Just please." Mm-hmm.
• 27:21
  And Terry's like,"Fine." So he's calls and says that he'll come out to the ranch to listen to the music.
• 27:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:27
  So when he gets there- Like, I'm just picturing in my head, this whole production that they're putting on, right?
• 27:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:33
  And thinking,"This is it." Like,"This is my big break." Right.
• 27:37
  It wasn't.
• 27:37
  It was not what he wanted it to be.
• 27:40
  Mm-mm.
• 27:41
  So Terry comes to the ranch, and the girls are dancing.
• 27:45
  Manson is on the guitar, singing and doing his thing.
• 27:49
  And, it's this, a whole production.
• 27:51
  Like, it's legit- Mm like, a whole, like, concert.
• 27:53
  You stand here and you do this, and, you stand here and you grind on this, and I'm gonna be over here with the guitar.
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:58
  And, one of you, gonna do- Right a lap dance.
• 28:00
  Right.
• 28:01
  Right.
• 28:01
  Pretty much, yeah.
• 28:03
  That's what I'm picturing.
• 28:03
  Uh-huh.
• 28:04
  Oh, yeah.
• 28:05
  But after, like, I think they said four songs- Mm-hmm dude was like,"Mm, okay, my, you know"- My time is limited Your music is good, but I don't know what to do with this in a studio, so sorry." Mm-hmm.
• 28:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:18
  And Manson just goes like,"What, what the F?" Totally ballistic about that.
• 28:23
  Because he then, in his head, had now recreated this that Terry had promised him a record deal.
• 28:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:29
  And just betrayed him.
• 28:30
  Yeah.
• 28:31
  Yeah.
• 28:31
  Again, twisting everything in his mind.
• 28:34
  Yeah.
• 28:35
  It was his song.
• 28:36
  Yeah.
• 28:38
  His song, his record deal.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:40
  And, he just, starts rallying the troops, Yep this is where he compares this all to Judas betraying Jesus and setting the tone that he is a Messiah.
• 28:50
  It, it's so much.
• 28:52
  Again, doesn't even feel real because it's so- Yeah disjointed.
• 28:57
  Cuckoo bird.
• 28:58
  this is when Diane is like, this is where it all- Mm-hmm really takes a turn for the worse.
• 29:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:04
  Um, because now he's just, livid, and he, he is gonna prove himself- to everybody yep.
• 29:10
  And this is where Helter Skelter occurs Helter Skelter Mm-hmm, the race war and stuff.
• 29:15
  Yes.
• 29:15
  Oh, yes.
• 29:16
  Yeah.
• 29:16
  Yes.
• 29:17
  Yes.
• 29:18
  Do you wanna take this or do you want me to keep going?
• 29:19
  You keep going.
• 29:20
  I'm like d- I'm loving listening to you and I'll just keep jumping in.
• 29:23
  Okay.
• 29:24
  All right, so Charlie, was a racist.
• 29:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:27
  And talked about, an eventual Black versus white race war.
• 29:30
  Yes.
• 29:31
  He was leaning into the fear of the Black uprising at the time.
• 29:34
  Yep.
• 29:34
  right around this time also, The Beatles released The White Album.
• 29:37
  Yes.
• 29:38
  So this comes out in late 1968, and he's obsessed.
• 29:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:41
  And he thinks that all of these subliminal messages are just for him, and- They are for him, and that this apocalyptic race war is, you know, he, he and his family are going to be the knights in shining armor for this whole thing.
• 29:55
  Yep.
• 29:55
  then one of the Beatles songs on that album was Helter Skelter.
• 29:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:58
  And so that's what he's begins to call this race war that he thinks- Mm-hmm is gonna happen.
• 30:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:04
  He's convinced that The Beatles are essentially confirming his prophecy- because he is the Messiah- Mm-hmm.
• 30:11
  Of course of an approaching race war.
• 30:15
  Obviously, the album was not about that.
• 30:18
  No, not at all.
• 30:19
  The, The Beatles were like,"What?
• 30:21
  We don't even know who that is." And he's making everybody, analyze these lyrics and- Mm just listen to this album over- Which, P.S., I've never been good at, analyzing lyrics.
• 30:28
  Give me a beat.
• 30:29
  Give me a fat beat.
• 30:30
  No, but do you remember, when we were younger and the tapes?
• 30:33
  Oh, listen to'em backwards?
• 30:34
  Yeah.
• 30:35
  Oh, yeah.
• 30:35
  Well, that and then, like, um, it had all of the lyrics in, like, the- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:39
  Like in the cassette- Little cover thing thing?
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:42
  Yeah.
• 30:42
  Yeah.
• 30:42
  Oh, I loved knowing what they were.
• 30:44
  Yeah.
• 30:44
  But, I never saw a deeper meaning to any...
• 30:46
  I am very r- shallow, I guess.
• 30:50
  I am not one that's gonna sit there and analyze what Black Hole Sun means.
• 30:54
  N- none me, just gonna sing it.
• 30:55
  No.
• 30:56
  I am the worst.
• 30:58
  Right.
• 30:59
  But I think I don't have the attention span to, sit and analyze something.
• 31:03
  Well, I, I do really bad at subliminal stuff.
• 31:06
  I am such a black and white person, and I'm such a just tell me kind of person.
• 31:11
  Mm.
• 31:11
  Don't...
• 31:11
  Oh, I thought I got a thumbs up.
• 31:14
  So I don't even look for hidden things in all this stuff.
• 31:17
  I just take everything at face value.
• 31:18
  Yeah.
• 31:19
  So yeah, I'm bad at that, so he wouldn't have liked me much.
• 31:21
  Mm.
• 31:21
  I-'Cause I would have failed his let's dig into this verse class.
• 31:27
  I would fail at, like, everything.
• 31:31
  Oh, yeah.
• 31:31
  I wouldn't have even made it this far.
• 31:32
  Attention span.
• 31:33
  I wouldn't know what, like- what instructions he gave me to do something, and I'd be, I'd b- I'd be dead.
• 31:38
  No.
• 31:38
  Tell him you oughta come and catch you.
• 31:39
  No, he's my size.
• 31:40
  I could've taken him.
• 31:41
  I would've taken him.
• 31:42
  I would've taken- Yeah I woulda, I woulda taken him out, and I would've taken over the cult- Perfect.
• 31:44
  Perfect.
• 31:45
  Yeah.
• 31:46
  So he's going cuckoo- Yeah thinking this album is about the race war.
• 31:50
  The race war, yeah.
• 31:50
  And he now needs to teach everybody how to defend themselves with knives.
• 31:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:56
  cuckoo.
• 31:57
  He's crazy pants.
• 31:58
  Yes.
• 31:58
  Nothing about him.
• 31:59
  Again, nothing makes sense.
• 32:01
  No.
• 32:02
  Yeah, I feel like it's just jumping from subject to subject.
• 32:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:06
  Yeah, and that's why, My notes, like, feels like they're all over the place- Mm-hmm but they're not.
• 32:09
  That's just how the doc went.
• 32:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:10
  Yeah.
• 32:10
  The happy commune era is over.
• 32:12
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:13
  Manson tells them the race war is imminent.
• 32:16
  They need weapons.
• 32:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:16
  He said, you need to be willing to kill- Yes to not be killed yourself.
• 32:20
  Yes.
• 32:21
  So they're now like,"Oh my gosh." It's like- It's, it's- my head loves it.
• 32:25
  I'm thinking like the zombie apocalypse.
• 32:27
  Right.
• 32:28
  It just get...
• 32:29
  Like, they're like,"It just got real." Yeah.
• 32:30
  We, we...
• 32:31
  It's go time.
• 32:31
  Yeah.
• 32:32
  Yeah.
• 32:32
  We- Like, all of a sudden we were just having a love-in.
• 32:34
  Not an orgy, but a love-in.
• 32:36
  It was totally an orgy.
• 32:39
  And now we have to go, like, buy swords.
• 32:41
  Yeah.
• 32:42
  So Catherine, remembers Manson handing out large knives and teaching the family how to use them with graphic instructions about how to inflict fatal wounds.
• 32:51
  So, he's legit, like- Yeah, we're not going to maim.
• 32:55
  We're going to kill.
• 32:55
  Yeah.
• 32:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:57
  And then Diane in there, saying that,"I don't wanna hurt anybody." And I'm like, girl, like, what are you...
• 33:02
  Like- Mm-hmm you're there.
• 33:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:03
  Like, you're, that's where you're at.
• 33:04
  We also meet a family member named Tex about this time.
• 33:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:08
  And Tex is a dude from Texas.
• 33:11
  And, yeah, he, he is heavy.
• 33:13
  He wants to be Manson's second in command, basically.
• 33:17
  That's episode two.
• 33:18
  But we just- I thought we were there.
• 33:19
  Yeah, we're at episode two now, but we, we- Oh, okay can just get our episode.
• 33:22
  Who- I thought we were already in episode two.
• 33:23
  No, that was all episode one.
• 33:25
  Oh my gosh.
• 33:25
  That's what I'm saying, Yeah.
• 33:27
  Yep, this is what you're doing.
• 33:28
  Yeah.
• 33:29
  So we're just gonna drop a few doc episodes.
• 33:31
  Yeah, so, uh, come back next week for episode two of the, Confessions- Of a Crazy Man or whatever it was called.
• 33:38
  Yeah.
• 33:39
  Confessions of a Killer.
• 33:40
  The Tapes of Douchebag.
• 33:43
  Tapes of, Charles Manson.
• 33:45
  Conversations With the Killer: The Charles Manson Tapes.
• 33:48
  Sure.
• 33:48
  Or you can call it, The Little Tiny Man With an Ego Problem.
• 33:52
  Whatever works.
• 33:53
  Whatever works.
• 33:53
  Yeah.
• 33:53
  Okay.
• 33:54
  So episode two, recap next week.
• 33:56
  Yep.
• 33:56
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