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Fake Kidnapping and American Apparel Scandal · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 1: and go get those tickets. Okay, you guys, we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about this earlier. I did a TikTok about it. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to fill you in. There was a very
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  Speaker 1: disturbing story about this young woman named Carly Russell. She
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  Speaker 1: was a nursing student and she called the police and said,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, I'm driving down this highway and I
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  Speaker 1: see a child who looks to be about four years
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  Speaker 1: old in a diaper pulled over The phone was dropped.
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  Speaker 1: She went missing. They went to go and nothing but
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  Speaker 1: her wig and her car and her, I think her purse,
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  Speaker 1: but nothing else was there. No child to be found.
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  Speaker 1: No child seen on the surveillance camera. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: days later, she was found safe. At that point, the
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  Speaker 1: parents said, please, we want to have our privacy. The
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend said she fought kidnappers, you know, with every, inch
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  Speaker 1: of her for her life. Thank God she's safe. People
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  Speaker 1: started swirling around. This seems a little fishy. Seems a
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  Speaker 1: little fishy. Other people very afraid to say it seems fishy,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought it was fishy. And I talked about
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  Speaker 1: it last week. Well, now the authorities are coming forward
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  Speaker 1: and saying they found some interesting things about the story.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is they said, no one needs to worry.
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  Speaker 1: We don't believe a kidnapper is on the loose. Also,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry, there's no missing four-year-old child that's being used
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  Speaker 1: as a lure to kidnap people or is running the
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  Speaker 1: highway alone. What they did find is that after she
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  Speaker 1: left her nursing job, she left with a robe and
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  Speaker 1: some toilet paper on a surveillance camera from her work.
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  Speaker 1: She then went to Target and bought some Cheez-Its and
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  Speaker 1: some granola bars. Those Cheez-Its and granola bars were not
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  Speaker 1: found in her car, even though that was the last
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  Speaker 1: place she left. when she was supposedly kidnapped. So then
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  Speaker 1: she said, this guy with red hair and a bald
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  Speaker 1: spot on his head dragged me when I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to help the child, dragged me from behind. And then
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  Speaker 1: I woke up and I was like in this trailer
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  Speaker 1: with that man and another woman who forced me to
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  Speaker 1: undress and take photos of me. And at some point
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  Speaker 1: I was able to escape and got home safe. They
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  Speaker 1: also said she Googled things like the movie Taken. If
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  Speaker 1: you have to pay for an Amber Alert. Other things
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  Speaker 1: about missing people and kidnappings. So, yeah, it doesn't look good.
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  Speaker 1: We're happy this didn't happen. We're happy that she's safe.
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  Speaker 1: We're happy that these people don't exist. We're happy that
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  Speaker 1: this child didn't exist. Why did she do it? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was obviously sort of planned at this point. And
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  Speaker 1: it'll be kind of, I wonder if she'll ever cop
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  Speaker 1: to it. You know, with the other story of the
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  Speaker 1: girl that supposedly went missing jogging, left her two kids
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  Speaker 1: and husband for almost a whole month that was with
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend or old boyfriend, whatever. She got convicted and
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  Speaker 1: she has, I think she's doing some time now, but
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  Speaker 1: we never really knew why. Like she never said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to do this. my interview on Juicy Scoop
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  Speaker 1: and tell you exactly why I did it, why I
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  Speaker 1: sought out the attention, why I planned it out, why
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  Speaker 1: we don't, we still don't, we really haven't heard from
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  Speaker 1: her except that, oh, I guess I'm sorry. Now I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go do some time. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why people do this, but fake kidnappings have always been
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  Speaker 1: a thing, just like fake pregnancies, fake divorces, all of it,
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  Speaker 1: it happens. So Erica Jane, remember the diamond earrings? Well,
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  Speaker 1: she is was ordered by the court to give these $ 750, 000
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  Speaker 1: earrings up. They went on auction and Ronald Richards, who's
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  Speaker 1: very involved in this case and loves to tweet about it,
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  Speaker 1: he bought them. Well, she appealed it. She said, these
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  Speaker 1: were a gift to me and they're mine. And even
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  Speaker 1: though the money was taken out of a escrow account
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't supposed to be used for personal goods, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. They should still be mine. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why I have to give them back. Anyway, she won
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  Speaker 1: her appeal. So they said, I don't know where we
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  Speaker 1: are in the case right now, but those earrings might
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  Speaker 1: be coming back and that might be awkward for Ronald Richards.
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  Speaker 1: So interesting. This is happening, you guys. Oh, see, this
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  Speaker 1: is really happening. I have talked about the rise of
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  Speaker 1: vulva and vagina fashion. I have predicted it. Julia Fox
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  Speaker 1: wore a vagina vulva revealing outfit, a bathing suit the
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  Speaker 1: other day. Now there are shorts that you can buy
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  Speaker 1: from Lucky Brand. This is a real thing and I
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  Speaker 1: have a photo of it. So remember, subscribe to that YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a pair of jean shorts, low cut. And
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  Speaker 1: then one whole side of the leg is just cut out.
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  Speaker 1: So you just see, and you can see the girls
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  Speaker 1: even shaven top of her vagina part, or vulva, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want to call it, whatever, the pubic bone. So one,
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the zipper is completely removed so
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  Speaker 1: that you get that vagina cleavage groin area I've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about that would be all the rage. I want
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  Speaker 1: to apologize for some of the things that I talk
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  Speaker 1: about and inadvertently manifest. especially horrible fashions and disgusting fashions.
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  Speaker 1: And I apologize for that. I can't help it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a gift from God and it's happening. Oh my God,
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: the Sister Wife trailer came out. I'm not exactly sure
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  Speaker 1: when the actual date comes, but I'm telling you, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited. Sister Wives is about Cody and his four wives.
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  Speaker 1: I've watched it forever. I can't stop watching it. He
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  Speaker 1: is down to one wife, and we get to see
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  Speaker 1: how he got there, okay? And we know that Janelle,
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  Speaker 1: we already saw, I'm sorry, we know that Christine already
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  Speaker 1: left him. She's already engaged to someone else. She's celebrating
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  Speaker 1: with a tattoo. I believe one of her daughters just
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  Speaker 1: got married to a woman, and she's thrilled. Then we
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  Speaker 1: have Janelle, and Janelle, we're going to see her say,
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  Speaker 1: To the F you, Cody. Shut your effing face. We've
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  Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. I guess I'll have to
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  Speaker 1: bleep it out because it's TLC. I feel like I
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  Speaker 1: got to see the full F word on the trailer.
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  Speaker 1: We know she is out. Mary, who he's wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be gone, wife number one. She has one daughter who
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  Speaker 1: now is living as, I think, a non-binary or a man.
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  Speaker 1: And that That person has now become, like, Lion or something.
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  Speaker 1: The name is Lion. Anyway, I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 1: her child has gotten married as well. But at the
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  Speaker 1: other girl's wedding, we saw that Cody went. Anyway, we
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  Speaker 1: are down to one wife, Robin. That is it. And
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  Speaker 1: she's there in the trailer crying with no tears coming down, saying, I.
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  Speaker 1: Got into this life because I imagined sitting on my
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  Speaker 1: porch being old watching my kids and grandkids with my
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  Speaker 1: sister wives and now it's just me and Cody that's
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  Speaker 1: right it's just you and Cody and he is like
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  Speaker 1: I am not a happy camper and his perm is
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  Speaker 1: going and his curls are fluttering I cannot wait um
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  Speaker 1: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, you guys, they got a,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, it's a, movie that we all loved.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cartoon from Disney. It's 87 years old,
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  Speaker 1: this cartoon. It is now being made into a live
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  Speaker 1: action movie to come out in 2024. Snow White is
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  Speaker 1: this girl, Rachel Ziegler. She's Hispanic actress. Rachel Ziegler is
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  Speaker 1: Snow White. She's very pretty. But the thing that people
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  Speaker 1: are up in arms about is that the dwarfs are
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  Speaker 1: not seven men, little men that she is living with
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  Speaker 1: and cleaning up and cooking for. They wanted to bring
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  Speaker 1: it up to date. So it's all different genders, sizes.
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  Speaker 1: They're not all little people. They are not all the
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  Speaker 1: same ethnicity and people are not happy about it. Let
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  Speaker 1: me find that photo. Here we go. I have a
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  Speaker 1: photo of them here. They're men. They have long hair.
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  Speaker 1: They're wearing, you know, mismatched outfits and stuff. And I
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  Speaker 1: guess they still have to hi-ho, hi-ho, off to work
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  Speaker 1: we go because it looks like they're going to work
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  Speaker 1: in this photo. But Game of Thrones, Peter Dinklage, he
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  Speaker 1: is not happy. He says he criticized the film early.
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  Speaker 1: for their portrayal of the disability. He said, you're progressive
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  Speaker 1: in one way, but then you're still making that fucking
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  Speaker 1: backward story about seven dwarves living in a cave together.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing, man? Have I done
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  Speaker 1: nothing to advance the cause of my soapbox? I guess
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  Speaker 1: I'm not loud enough. Except he didn't, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: only like one dwarf in the whole thing. So then
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  Speaker 1: If you're a dwarf or a little person, then you're
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  Speaker 1: bitter because, you know, there's finally a movie you can
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  Speaker 1: be in and they don't use you. They are like,
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  Speaker 1: we only want one of you. And you're like, what
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  Speaker 1: about six of my friends? They're like, no, just one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the photo looks like. It's just one. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, then I'm like, well, are they going to
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  Speaker 1: keep the names? And the article didn't say if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to keep the names because dopey, that's not appropriate
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  Speaker 1: anymore with, you know, opiate epidemic and fentanyl to call
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  Speaker 1: someone dopey. Sleepy. You know, some people have a problem
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  Speaker 1: with sleep or sleeping too much. Grumpy, maybe they need
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  Speaker 1: a mental health day. Bashful, maybe they're just an introvert,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you should leave them alone. Happy, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's toxic positivity. That's not cool. So it's not cool
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  Speaker 1: that you're happy all the time. And then there's sneezy.
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  Speaker 1: We should not make fun of people with allergies. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to do that because
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  Speaker 1: anyone that makes fun of people being allergic to anything
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  Speaker 1: or sneezing, that's rude. And then there's Doc. One person
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  Speaker 1: got an education and is a doctor but has to
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  Speaker 1: go be with these other weird people. And so anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I think it looks like it'll be kind of fun.
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  Speaker 1: I like talking about it. She's pretty. Crystal Hefner has
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  Speaker 1: a book coming out. I mentioned it, but I know
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more about it. She said that she
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  Speaker 1: had to go and underwent deprogramming after leaving Playboy Mansion.
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  Speaker 1: She came here to L.A. when she was 21. That's
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  Speaker 1: when she also met Hugh, who was 81 at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And then she married him at 26 after five fun
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  Speaker 1: years of dating. She said, when you're in a place
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  Speaker 1: where you could easily be replaced, you're always kind of
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  Speaker 1: on guard. It's hard to make friends. So she didn't
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  Speaker 1: make friends in the Playmore Mansion. It was hard. She
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  Speaker 1: had a 10-year relationship with him before he died. And
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  Speaker 1: she really buried who she was before she had to
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  Speaker 1: bury him. She had a 6 p.m. curfew, and she
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  Speaker 1: felt that she gave herself to just a needy man
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  Speaker 1: who made her feel guilty for leaving. And she said,
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  Speaker 1: at first, Crystal said she thought, wow, I finally belong somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm important by association, but I'm still important. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it feels good. It didn't take long, though, before the
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  Speaker 1: facade and everything kind of unraveled. And she had to
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  Speaker 1: watch those movies, those Casablanca-type movies, and she said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Heth loved the old movies where the women were just
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  Speaker 1: fainting and helpless. They could do nothing without a man
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  Speaker 1: and then ask a man for everything. She said, adding
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  Speaker 1: that she was rewarded for being helpless like a damsel.
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  Speaker 1: And as he got older, Hester just got more needy
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  Speaker 1: and dependent on me. Oh, I don't know why you
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  Speaker 1: thought that. Did you think when you were 21 and
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  Speaker 1: he was 81 and then you married him when he
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  Speaker 1: was 87 and you were 26, did you think that
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't need you? I mean, the guy is 90.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't think he would need you? He needed you. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: she said Hef was a narcissist, you think? Misogynist? Shocking.
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  Speaker 1: And he was a very complicated human, but he also
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of good. He helped a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: He stood up for a lot of things, too. Okay. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: she got her boobs taken out, and she only kept
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  Speaker 1: one bunny outfit. And so... I am excited to read
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  Speaker 1: her book. Crystal, I'd love for you to come on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Come on, tell me everything. People that are
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  Speaker 1: close to Kim Zolciak are allegedly pissed that she called
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  Speaker 1: off the divorce. You know, when you drag all your
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  Speaker 1: friends in and you bitch about your man and everything
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  Speaker 1: and they're all working around you. Oh my God, get
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  Speaker 1: away from this monster who doesn't have a job, who's
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  Speaker 1: not yourself. You see, she's telling the cops he's crazy. they're,
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  Speaker 1: according to Radar Online, they're like annoyed. They're like, what
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  Speaker 1: the hell? We feel like used and duped that now
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  Speaker 1: you're staying with him. And that's what happens, guys. If
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  Speaker 1: whether you're the one that trauma dumped on your friend
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  Speaker 1: about your man, and then you go back to your man,
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  Speaker 1: or you're the one that was there to help your friend,
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  Speaker 1: you also got to say to yourself, if my friend
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  Speaker 1: goes back to this guy, Am I going to be
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  Speaker 1: okay with it? Am I going to still support him?
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  Speaker 1: Am I still going to smile and bring over a
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  Speaker 1: potato salad six months from now when they have a barbecue,
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  Speaker 1: even though she was at my house crying, telling me
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  Speaker 1: every horrible, awful thing he did and said? Can you
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  Speaker 1: be that person? Can you be that friend? Maybe you can,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you can't. You know, you got to think about it,
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  Speaker 1: but they're together. A lot of people were very scared
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  Speaker 1: about this Lisa Rinna look. She had one of her
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  Speaker 1: wigs on and they made her eyebrows kind of light,
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  Speaker 1: like a blonde so that really kind of change your
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: look when you like light out your eyebrows very and
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  Speaker 1: her lips look so huge people were dying they said
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  Speaker 1: that she looked like brandy glanville they thought she looked
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  Speaker 1: like stephen tyler whatever it was just a fashion look
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  Speaker 1: and she has full lips and they overdrew them and
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: then they you know bleached her brows relax people i
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  Speaker 1: showed it to drake and i said she's 60 and
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  Speaker 1: he goes well then she looks pretty damn good i'm
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  Speaker 1: like i know she does This is sad news. This
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  Speaker 1: is NeNe Leake's older son, Bryson. He's 33 and he
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  Speaker 1: was arrested. There was a call that came in. They
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  Speaker 1: found him like sitting on the lawn of some house
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't his. They looked into his car, according to
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  Speaker 1: the police report, and they found a small baggie. They
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  Speaker 1: thought it was either cocaine or fentanyl. It turns out
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  Speaker 1: it is fentanyl and he was arrested. And, um, You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's very sad. And he also said when asked that
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  Speaker 1: he was his, he said, he didn't say his name
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  Speaker 1: was Bryce. And he said his name was his younger brothers,
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  Speaker 1: who is her younger son. This is her older son,
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  Speaker 1: younger son. And I believe he's a dad too. So
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  Speaker 1: this is all, this is all just a real bummer
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  Speaker 1: for her. But he's, she said, he's had an easy life.
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  Speaker 1: NeNe said this. So now I'm going to show him
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  Speaker 1: what hard life is. He's going to stay in jail.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not getting him out, and he can figure it
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  Speaker 1: out from behind bars. So he has a scheduled hearing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it appears he wasn't selling it. It just
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  Speaker 1: appears he might have possibly been using it. I hope not,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a bummer. Mindy Kaling is speaking out about
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  Speaker 1: her weight loss, and I'm kind of glad she is.
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  Speaker 1: She was doing something, an interview, and she just said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm done talking about my weight and people taking it
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  Speaker 1: so personally. I have talked about this before. She looks great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: does she look a lot better than 10 years ago
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  Speaker 1: when you watch a rerun of The Office? Yeah, she's thinner.
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  Speaker 1: She's fit. She's 10 years older. She has a lot
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  Speaker 1: more money. There's been a lot of advances in plastic
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• 18:35
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• 18:50
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• 19:03
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• 19:06
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• 19:13
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• 19:17
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• 19:36
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• 19:44
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• 19:57
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• 19:59
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• 20:03
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• 20:05
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• 20:08
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• 20:10
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• 20:14
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• 20:30
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Today I have a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: juicy book with the author, Kate Flannery, not to be
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: confused with the redhead Kate from The Office. This is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a book called Striptease about the American apparel juice. Welcome, Kate,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to the show. This is your first novel.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Hi. Hi. Thank you so much for having me.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. So, you know, I... I remember this time, it
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't a look I was into. It was like the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: early 2000s and it just kind of took over. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: there's also a scandal with the owner and all of that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And so the book starts out and it's kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: how you, it's your memoir. So kind of how you
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: got involved in this fashion world, how you got the job.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So let's just get into it. Tell us a little
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: bit about yourself before we since it's your memoir? Like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: how did you get into, get to LA, all of that? Sure.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in kind of a little hillbilly town,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I say that with love, in Pennsylvania. And, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it was sort of nearby Philly and New York, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I could sort of like taste glamour and adventure and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: an exciting life in fashion. And once I went to college,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and I've always been a writer, so I studied writing,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I really, I got a job in Philadelphia for a
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: year working for Urban Outfitters in their headquarters. And I
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: sort of had a You know, it really broke a
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: lot of my illusions about what working in fashion was
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: going to be. A lot of things were made in sweatshops.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: My boss was kind of stodgy. You know, I was
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: working in a cubicle. I was writing all their catalogs
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: and the text on their website. And I was like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: there's got to be something better than this. It was 2004.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: California was having a moment, you know, like the simple life,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the OC.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's so funny to like to read. people talk about that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And right now there's like all these documentaries about the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: early 2000s. And I'm like, oh, so I was here
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and I didn't realize like this is a hot thing
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that's happening. I'm like, I've just lived here my whole life.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right. But yeah, it was kind
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of the launch of reality TV with the Girls Next
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Door and the Simple Life and the Paris Hilton. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: with Paris Hilton kind of came the MySpace, and kind
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of this is where it began where you could brag
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about yourself, which I always say was not like when
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I was growing in high school. It was the worst
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: thing to be conceited. This was like, I'm cute, you're cute,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: let's be cute together, let's post about how fabulous we
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are and tell the world how fabulous we are. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it wasn't anything to be ashamed of.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: No, and even further than that, it was cool to
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: have a celebrity sex tape. It was cool to have
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a Playboy spread.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Playboy, yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So a company like American Apparel- this sexy, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I had no misgivings about it because it just seems
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: like we were in this post 9-11, post feminist world
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: where like Gloria Steinem had taken care of that. Like
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: we could be sexy and own our sexiness.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And also Sex and the City was just starting, which
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I remember driving on Sunset and seeing Sex and the City.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe that was a title. I was like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: what is this? You know, and So that is really
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: interesting when.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: You think of it like that. They really were the
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: mothers of all that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: What seems so shocking back then is now, I mean,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: kind of pale.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And so when you got the job, because you met
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: these girls at a bar and they just like approach you.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And what did you think of that? Did you think
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: it was like a weird, scary thing or you just
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: thought it was safe?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I moved to LA on sort of a whim
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: and I had a very small savings left over from
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Urban and I needed a job right away. So when
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: these fashionable, beautiful young women were like, hey, they just
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: hand me this card. Come join our team. We work
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: for this incredible company. You know, it's not like any
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: other company. It's not like Urban Outfitters. It's not like
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: those companies that use sweatshops to run things like this
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: is a cool company. And they were so cool. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I was lonely. And it just was perfect. I went
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: with them without a second thought. you know, started my adventure.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So they had these, um, it was in like downtown
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: LA or where was it?
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: It was at Little Joy in Echo Park. Pre-renovation Little Joy.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It was like real grungy and fabulous.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And what was your position there?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Um, I, I was feeling really full of myself because
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I had this fancy writing degree. I had just had
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: this writing job and they were like, want to work
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in the store? The first American Apparel store. And I was,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, we're back to retail. You know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I'd like done that in high school. Yeah. Yeah. But
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: they convinced me, do this job and you will move
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: on to other things, bigger and better things. This company
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: is expanding. And wait till you meet the founder. This charismatic, problematic,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I would find, very... What's his name? Dove Charney.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Dove Charney. And it all just sounded so good. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I went to the factory. They told me to come
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: to the factory, which is in downtown LA, where everything
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: was made. And then I really got started.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And so... How did the guy, Dove, come up with
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this and that it was profitable by making these clothes
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: in America?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so simple, but it's ingenious.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: You know, when you're dealing with a sweatshop, if something
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the right color or there's some problem, it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: not the right color, you have to wait for weeks
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: for a message to get over there, to stop production.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: If you're making everything downstairs, you just go downstairs and say,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: hold up, we're switching things. You can change. You have
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: such a finger on the pulse of your chain of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: supply and demand. So it was very easy to turn
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: a ridiculous profit when you're not waiting for, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to hear from Bangladesh or whatever.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think of just to jump gears a little?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Of the whole Sheen fast fashion and the influencers. What
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: That's so fascinating that the video of them going to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the factory.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And saying how great it is and everything.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I just think they were maybe a little innocent. Like
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I am in striptease. It seems a little too good
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to be true. I mean, if you've never been to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a factory before, you know, you don't really know what
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: to expect.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Because with the Sheen, it's like, I mean, I've seen
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: so many things and you don't know what is totally true,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: what it did, was this video on TikTok manipulated and whatever. But,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I believe that there have been people that
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: have gotten an item from certain designers, maybe not Sheen,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: maybe other ones, where in the label where it would
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: say dry clean only or whatever, they're writing like, please
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: help me or typing out things like that. Absolutely.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: It's really awful. That's why the draw to work at
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: a place that was made in America where you can
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: see the employees, they're getting massages at the end of
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: their shifts. They're getting fair wages. They're getting English lessons.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: They're being able to support their families in a way
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and have a job with dignity and be treated with respect.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: You know, I still stand behind that business model. I still...
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I still find myself buying things from Los Angeles Apparel
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: because I know that factory is doing it the right way.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And so the look was kind of, and the ads
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: were very provocative. They looked very 1976 porn, young girl,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like not really done makeup, like a greasy face.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: A tank with no bra, you know, like kind of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like barely 18 kind of a look. But that caught
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the eye of things. What did you think of that?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Were you all down for that at the beginning or
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: did you think it was a little creep?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I was 23 when I started. So they
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: were my people. I thought it was sort of infantilizing
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: to think that these girls that were not only in
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the ads but running the company, making all of the decisions.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: So the models worked on the show. Oh, yeah. And
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't your typical models, which now we see a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: lot not typical. Now it's like, you know... Everything but
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: like a traditional 90s looking model is like what we
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: see on the Target ads and stuff. But then it
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: was kind of like you just feel like you were
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like looking at some average person alone in their bedroom
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: before they took a shower.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: It's like a little bit.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: It was a little bit. Yeah, it was a little
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: bit weird, but it was definitely like intriguing because it
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: was so different than what we saw before. At, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Old Navy and The Gap and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And the reason was because those shots are real. They're
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: not posed. You know, the founder was in a lot
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: of relationships with these girls.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So let's get into that. How did that happen? And
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: so was he– how did he get into and get
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: his funding and stuff to start to do this?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. It is impressive. He dropped out of college.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: He had such a passion. He's Canadian. He's such a
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: passion for T-shirt making. He went to, I think it
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: was North Carolina, to learn how to make T-shirts. He
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: learned how to make the best kind of T-shirts. This
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: was in the 90s when it was still boxy T-shirts,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: which are kind of back in again now. But it
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: was really hard to find a really cute, fitted, Euro-style
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: T-shirt back then. Those were the ones he wanted to make.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And he started a company. I forget what it was called,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: but it went bankrupt. And then he did it again
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: with American Apparel and succeeded wildly. Moved to L.A., got
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the factory, and started there. And, you know, he– I'm
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: trying to get into the– like his girlfriends.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, get into it. What you can share, yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, when I first got there, I didn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: put two and two together. But really, very quickly, in
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: one of my first months of work, or maybe a
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: couple months in– I was in there working the floor.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Of the store or the factory? Of the store. Of
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: the first Echo Park store, which I really had to
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: run by myself for a while. It was really early
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: in the company. We were wearing lots of hats. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I see the dressing room curtain moving. And I knew
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: no one was in the store. So I'm like, who
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: is in there? Did I miss something? Do they need help?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going over, do you need another size?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: No, it's Dove Charney, and he is in the throes
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: of a passionate affair with my friend, one of the
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: girls who was in all the ads.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And why is it an affair? Because he had a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: wife or a girlfriend?
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I just mean, like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: they're making out hot and heavy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're making out. No, no, no.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: He's not the commitment type at all.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she's getting down with him.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: They were in all their clothes, just.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Making out like I had never seen anything like it,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: even to this day.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So you mean you opened the curtain and saw it
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh shit.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And he was like, it's okay. How can I blame
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you for wanting to watch two people getting it on?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Like I was spying on him. I was like, oh
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: my God, no, that's not what was going on. I
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: should have known, right?
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Right then.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And it's funny, when I talked to the girl, her
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: name is Carolee in the book, I braced her. These
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: are all of the things I'm writing about. And I
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: said to her, do you remember the day I met
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: you or I met Dove in the dressing room? And
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: she was like, no, which is so funny. That's like
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: such a thing in memoir. The things that are so
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: important to you, like how could I ever forget that?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: To her, that was just another day. She didn't even
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: remember that. But she was like, were we naked? Okay,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: so this has obviously happened before.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: How old was she? You said you were how old
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: at this time?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I was one of the older women there at 23.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I'd say she was probably 19. And how old was he?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: 33 maybe 33 that's pretty creep yeah yeah yeah and
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: so and at the helm of and her boss yeah
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and a millionaire it's just the power imbalance it can
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: be consensual but that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Power imbalance did he have like a sick pad and
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: invite you guys over for like work pool parties or anything.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Eventually he did First, he started out in a very
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: humble bungalow, and then he bought this glorious deco mansion,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: which I call the big house. There's a chapter in Striptease,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the juiciest one of all, called The Big House, where
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I went over there for dinner one night. One of
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: his girlfriends was in a jealous snit because he was
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: doing a photo shoot with another girl, which would happen
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: all the time. And afterwards, when I left, the story
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: got back to me that she went to the bottom
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of the staircase of this beautiful house, got in her car,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: and drove all the way up and up the stairs
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: of the house to the very top. In her company Mercedes.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So she crashed open the door?
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: She couldn't get to, it's a very big staircase. She
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: got pretty far up that staircase.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: She did a Betty Broderick where she went in the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: front of the house?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And there were people there or no people were there?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: There were lots of people there.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Doing the photo shoot.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: There was even a journalist there on the sidelines.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And was she arrested? What happened?
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: No, of course not. She's a prized girlfriend.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So he just was like.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: He was very. He didn't want that news to get around.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: When he found out that people were talking about it,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: he was like angry. But the funny thing is then
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: it happened again.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: You mean the same girl tried to drive up the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: stairway of the house?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: That's what I've heard. Yes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: She broke down the front door again.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: It's confirmed in podcasts and stuff. It's like lore, but
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: it happened. It's true.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: So was it sort of like a Hugh Hefner in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that all these girls knew they were not exclusive, but
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: they were kind of vying for the number one or
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: even two spot at that point?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Except that Hugh Hefner, to me, just has these, like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: crusty old grandpa vibes. Yes. And, like, Dove.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Well, he was a crusty old grandpa.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Like, just, like, even the way the mansion looked.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, so dated. And the waterbed and the wood. Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: But, like, Dove was hip and young. And, yes, he
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: was 33 and we were young.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Still, that's young, though.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it seems young. To me, I was like, oh,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: that's old.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I could never. Right, right. 30-year-old.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: But, yes, he was so young and charismatic. Like, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: wanted to be with him. Like, thank God I wasn't
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: his type because, you know, who knows how I could
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: have gotten sucked in.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: So did you do the ads?
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So did you get paid extra for the ads?
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: No, of course not.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: See, that's insane. I know. Well, one of the things
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: in the Playboy Mansion, the Playboy documentary, was how they would,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're going to do Playboy. You're going
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to get paid whatever, even to the people that got
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: paid extra. a lot for the shoot. Really, the people
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: who only got paid really a lot were if you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: were like a celebrity or you were a returning playmate.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: But even if you were like the month or whatever,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like life-changing money. But then what they would
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: do is they would take all these, all the photos and,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you take a bunch of photos and use
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: four of them. All of those, they signed something that
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they could use forever. So then when online playmate stuff
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was able to happen later on in the 90s, Some
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: woman that did the shoot in the 80s.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Her photos are being used and made profitable and all
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this stuff forever. Yeah. And so I think that's so
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: weird that here you are folding t-shirts. And your photo,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like did you ever have an ad that was like
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: in magazines and stuff like that?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I was in the storefront, a huge video screen of
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: me dancing in the Paris American Apparel down the street
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: from Pompidou. center.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And did anybody say we should be- They didn't even.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Tell me about it. I found out because someone was like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: another worker from France was in town and she.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Was like, oh, it's you.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And I thought, what? They were like, oh yeah, we
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: put that video of you dancing in France. My roommate
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: was like, did you get paid? I was like, no,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I was working.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: So your roommate did ask. So you guys were like
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: savvy enough to be like, look, I still really love
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: my job and it's fun and it is kind of cool.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you were aware that you were.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Well, he was an outsider. He didn't work for the company.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: And I was so deep in that cult that any criticism.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: What do you mean he didn't work for the company?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, my roommate at the time? Oh, your roommate. He
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: was like a friend who came over from Philly.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, so he didn't.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So he was just.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I got rid of him fast. I was like, he's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: the voice of reason. He's trying to tell me that
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: my job isn't perfect. He's trying to tell me I'm
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: being exploited by this company that I love. I was like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my own place. But really, he's a great guy.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: So you do mention in the book that, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you kind of realize, am I in a cult? Yeah. Yeah. Okay,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: so tell me a little bit about when you started to,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the things that led you to that, that are cult-like.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Once I went on salary, which should have been this
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: really exciting thing.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So now are you still working in the store or no?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I'm still working in the stores, but I'm recruiting. I'm flying...
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Every time there's a new store, I'm flying there to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: hire all the girls.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And so then you were also... Hiring based on looks, style,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: can you vibe with the store? Very Amber Cromie and Finch?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I also had a friend who worked for
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: a major retailer. Guess what it is. And I remember
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I went and hung out with her in Hawaii because
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: she was like, I have a room. You have to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be gone all day because all day I'm going to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: be interviewing girls to work at the new stores. And-
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: You know, she was a gorgeous girl, too, but she
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: had a great sense of style. And, yeah, you were
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: hiring based on the look and the image and everything.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, now I guess that would be a big no-no. But,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, you still see it. No matter what store
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: you go to, whether it's like a Louis Vuitton or whatever,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: there's a certain kind of person. Thank God it's not
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: about ethnicity anymore. But still, whether they're black, Asian, white.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: They have a style about them. They have a snobbery
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: about them. You know, there's a certain vibe that you
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: get that goes with the look of the store, you know. Okay,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: so continue what you're saying. So you're having this fun time.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You're doing these things. I'm flying.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I'm jet-setting around.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And you're recruiting these girls. And in recruiting them, then
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: would he dove come around and hit on them? And
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: did you ever feel any... guilt when they get sucked
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: into a romance with him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: For sure that's like the climax of striptease it's really
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: um it's funny that was when I was recording the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: audiobook um I just it surprised me when I hit
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that subject matter that that was like the hardest one
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: to read there's other kind of crazier stuff that happens
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: yeah um that but that yeah it's it's in striptease
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: that's you'll see.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Right no I don't I still want everyone to read
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the book but okay yeah I could see that where
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you're And then you're kind of like, oh, I didn't
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: even like realize, like you didn't really necessarily think. Yes.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to bring in this girl because this is
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Dove's type. No, never. You're just like, no, I'm going
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to get these girls because this is the look. They're fun.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And they also seem like they're going to show up
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, for sure. In the very beginning, when I started recruiting,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Dove would have to approve every image. You know, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: had my trusty Polaroid camera and every Polaroid would be
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: sent to the factory. After, you know, after I had
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: a few stores under my belt, I stopped having to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: do that. Um, uh, so yeah, I, I just sort
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: of started to sink in deeper and deeper. Um, things
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: started happening. Like I was, you know, I would go
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: on vacation with my family and I'd get a call
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: from the factory. You got to go to this struggling store.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: And I would think I would explain everything away, you know? Oh, I, uh,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: it's a job that only I can do. You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just so important at this company.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Um, and then, you know, I came from this really
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: feminist Bryn Mawr background. When the sexual harassment starts started mounting,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: the sexual harassment lawsuit started mounting. When I was at
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the big house and someone told me that one of
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: the girls from Japan who works for the company, not
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: only works for the company, but is also Dove's geisha
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and like comes in and.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: So wait, he had a real geisha? Yes. What is
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a real geisha? Like, what is the deal? Because like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I remember... that book that was so famous.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And it was, and then I recently talked to somebody
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, this other girl we met,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: she was a geisha for a while. Then she had
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to become a realtor.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: You hate when that happens.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And I go, wait a minute, she's like a girl
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: from Newport Beach and she's beautiful and she's blonde and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: beautiful today. But I go, what do you mean? She's like, no,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: she seriously went to Japan. And like, and I go, well,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: What do the geishas do? Do they screw or do
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: they just like make tea and be like bound their feet?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure specifically, but I do know that this geisha...
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Wandered into the room while a sex act was being performed.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: With a wig and makeup?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, no. Oh, okay. But came in
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: with a little tray. There were some glasses of water,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: a little bowl with ice cubes. And she leaned over
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: to Dove and my friend and, you know, wiped the
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: sweat from their brow and gave them water. As they're fucking.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So once I heard... You witnessed it or you heard it?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I heard it.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I heard it from the girl.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: The geisha girl. No. Oh, the girl that was screwing him.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So she was like, this was freaking weird? Or was
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: she like, oh, it was kind of nice because I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: was a little sweaty and I did want a sip
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of tea.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: No, it was like a funny joke to her. Whereas
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: really at this point in the story, I'm disgusted. Just
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the how ugly and racist it is. Yes.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And how many people do you think he was like
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: screwing at a time?
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Well, that's the thing.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Mostly all of the girls in here are very supportive,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: except for one. She's like, everybody's going to know it's me,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: and you told my stories. But I want to say
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: to her, there were hundreds of girls. Like, I just
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: think it hurts maybe to read this later, and that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: really the issue. Because I write about her with such love.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: I really care for her.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: The girl that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the girl's mad at me. Yeah, she's the one
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: in the gay... You know, she's... Yeah. Well, this is juicy. She...
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I gave her, I told her what was in the book.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: I took her to Coachella to see Bjork, front of
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the stage. I had a hookup.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I give her the book. I'm like, I really hope
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: you like this. She reads the book overnight. She's like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I love it. I, you know, I was nervous.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: She loves it. She posted on her story. I'm in
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: this book. And I took great pains to make sure
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: everyone is anonymous. I changed names. I changed jobs. So
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, shit. She must feel pretty good
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: about it. Then like literally the next day, I see
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: a story of her with Dove at his new factory.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh shit, she went right to Dove?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And then the next morning I got a text from her.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: How could you do this to me? You exploited me.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: You know, these are, everyone's going to think I'm a traitor.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's so obvious what happened. Dove got mad.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: You know, he's like, you told her the geisha story.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: You told her the geisha story. And he got mad.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: And now she's very angry.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But she is still friendly with him or still seeing
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: him or whatever.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: The girl who drove the car up the stairs is
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: still with him. The geisha is still with him.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: So now how old is he, like 43, 45?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: He's got to be almost 50 by now, right? I'm
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: sure he's over 50.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And with these girls that were screwing him, did they
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: get set up with an apartment and stuff like that?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Did they still have to fold T-shirts?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, everyone worked. Like, that was the thing.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Everyone worked.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I always think that's so crazy that when you start
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: screwing the boss, whether you're a paralegal or working at
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: this place or Arnold Schwarzenegger's maid, the fact that you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: still have to, like, do the job that you're hired
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: for a long, like, how at one point, or the nanny, like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just be.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Like, like, That should be in here.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, really. Like, I can't believe it. Like, I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: would think, like, yeah, we're screwing now, and I don't
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: think I need to be there for the half-yearly sale.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Yes. No. Everyone in the cult must work. Even those
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Baldies who were going on the comet, like they had
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: serious jobs every day. What Baldies?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Heaven's Gate people.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Heaven's Gate. God, I just talked about that
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the other day because someone brought up Santa Fe, San Diego.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, the Heaven's Gate people with
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the tennis shoes.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: They were living in a mansion because they all had
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: to work.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: They had to work every day. Yeah, they were like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: computer programmers and stuff. Yes, they were brilliant. And then
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that night they're like, we're going to Heaven's Gate. So
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: would anybody.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Like a cult, start to be like, or even a
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Playboy mansion, start to be like, hey, Kate, like, you
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: know what? This is fucking weird. Or getting jealous. Like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: if he was dating one girl that you brought in, whatever,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that worked there at 19, are they consecutively screwing until
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: she leaves? Or does he, like, find new people and
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: then her feelings are hurt? Like, what about that?
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: There was very little... Jealousy. There was an understanding. You know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: it was just like the culture of the company. Like
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: we were encouraged to date our coworkers.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: So he never cared if someone had a boyfriend just
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: as long as they were dead.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Although he would become very jealous if a girl he
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: liked had a boyfriend. Oh, really?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: And what about if he did hit on someone and
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: they rejected him and they just wanted to work at
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the store?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean– I don't know. I've never talked to
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: anybody like that. I mean there were plenty of us
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: who didn't sleep with him.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But did he attempt to? Like what was his feeling
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: if he got rejected? Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: That's– you know, I never really witnessed that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, actually, no.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: They're in striptease. He became so enamored with this– I
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: mean she was like 16 years old. She was coming
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: from high school. She was like a part-timer. And he
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: was so into her. And her boyfriend, who had, like, braces,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: he was a teenager, he came into the shop. And
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Dove became enraged. She took me in the back room.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: He was like, that 16-year-old girl, she has a 16-year-old brain.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Doesn't she know what I could give her? Like, oh,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: she brings that boyfriend here. It was like, that was
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: really the call.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And what did you say to that?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't say a word because I just, you
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: don't say things to him.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Because you're in the cult.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But I thought it was so.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: But at any point were you thinking, like, duh, just
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: legally she's 16. So like you're– Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's addressed in here too.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: That's at the end when stuff like that started happening.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Did he ever actually like get involved with someone who
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was not 18?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I mean my lawyer should probably– tell me not to
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: say this, but I mean, he has a relationship with
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: a junior in high school in the book. I just
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: try to stay away from the numbers. Right, right, right.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. So that junior in high school could have been
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: 18 and a half. She was held back a few years.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That was really when I couldn't put the blinders
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: on anymore.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: So when did it all... Because I only remember, like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: hearing bits and pieces, and I looked it up a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: little in which I saw the ads and stuff to
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: prepare for this interview. But tell us a little bit, like,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: how it got exposed and got written about, you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and everything. Sure.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Well, it really had about– the company had about 10
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: good years. Striptease covers the first few– the first year, really,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: that I worked for the company, although I did work
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: there for three years. You know, his first real– People
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: started finding out about American Apparel and Dove. They did
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: a profile on him in Jane Magazine.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: And he asked the young Asian journalist, his type, if
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: he could masturbate in front of her.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, he pulled a Louis C.K.? Yes. Oh, how cute.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, Louis didn't ask.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Dove asked.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Louis said he did ask. Louis said he, yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I had an ex-boyfriend who did that to me once.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I had seen him in like 10 years. I walk
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: in and he's just like. Louis C.K.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: 's me.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: It was so bizarre. And he didn't ask.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: They don't ask. Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Although he did ask the journalist.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I think in the Louis C.K. stories, sometimes he said
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he asked and some girl's story said that he asked
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: and the girls thought it was a joke. Yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Because they were like, wait, you just finished a set
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and we're so excited that we're hanging out because you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: just saw our funny set and we actually think you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think we're funny.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Yes. And your only reaction is to laugh when something
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: like that happens.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Because you're like, oh, you gross old man. You must
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: be joking. I feel so badly for you that you're
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: such a loser that I'm going to laugh.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And, oh, my God. So he did that. And what happened?
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Got a ton of amazing press. Because what journalist is
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: going to say, absolutely not. She wrote an amazing story.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: But she didn't reveal that part or she did?
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, she did. In the Jane article?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the Jane profile. And then says, and at
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: the end, he asked if he could masturbate in front
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of me, and I chuckled. Like, how did she write?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: How did she say it?
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: It's very compelling. I mean, she went to do a
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: profile on him, and she followed him around and went
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: to the factory and was with him with girlfriends and
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: watched girlfriends pleasure him. And this is the world we
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: were living in. I know it seems insane, but— Because
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I don't want to look up that article now. You
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: have to read it. Her name's Claudine Coe, and the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: article is called Meet Your New Boss. And I was
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: just like, oh.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: And nobody, and she did not find there was anything
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: problematic or disturbing about what she saw. She just thought,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: all these girls want to do it. Very Manson-esque, too.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Very like Charlie Manson. And very Playboy and this and that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And very NXIVM. Yeah. And so when she was writing
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this in, what year would this have been? 2004, I believe.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Did any other articles come after reading this and being like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: this is fucking weird? Yes.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: That's what... I mean, it's like... But her article wasn't...
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: All press is good press.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: This article wasn't, this is weird.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it was weird, but.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: She wasn't giving an opinion that it was weird, though.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: It wasn't an indictment.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like, this terrible man. It was like, look
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: at the way this crazy man lives.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: He did ask my consent. Yes. And in fact, the
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: very last line of the article is like Dove asks
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: me if I want to stick around or, you know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: go with him. And, you know, I kind of think
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: maybe I do. So like that's the kind of article
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: it was. It was just a different time. It was
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: a different time we were living in. It was a
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: super sex charge, new millennium, post AIDS. Like it was
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: fun to be sexy.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it is such an interesting situation because.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I, I look at all the different like
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: levels of like feminism, you know, like when my mom,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: my mom graduated from college at the end of the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: fifties and got married at 1960, but she had a job.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: She was a copywriter, you know, in Chicago and, and
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: she had these, all the great stories, like very mad men,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: she and my dad. And, and then, but, but at
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that time she was like, oh, so then, you know, Bob,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: my dad, oh, he got a job in Michigan. It
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was so cool. But then, Thank God he got a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: job in California. And I was like, so you were
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, she's like, wherever Bob wanted to go,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like da-da-da. And not until, like, I was
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: like maybe five, and I was the youngest of five,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: so now she'd been like a mom for like 17
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: years or whatever. Did she start to go, oh, I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: would like to get back into writing, and then realize
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: that wasn't going to make any money. So then she
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: liked real estate. My dad was like, well, you love
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: going to open houses. Why don't you get your real
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: estate license? And so she started to work, but Then
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: we grew up, the Gen Xers, like, where it was
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: in our brain, like, to be a housewife is such a, like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: thing to be. You've got to have your education. You've
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: got to have another job. You've got to work. And
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: then we have the generation under me that was like, oh,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: my God, like, be Samantha Jones and fuck everybody. Like, why?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Why even bother? Yeah. And so I'm watching this. I'm
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: already married when the show comes out or something. And
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, God, did I miss out? But I also
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: had a lot of friends. I'm like, nobody was this slutty.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And I realize it's written by gay men and stuff.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: But I feel like the 15-year-old girls that were watching
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Sex and the City about women who were 32 and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: phoning after a gym without taking a shower. I think
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: it did influence them strongly along with all this other
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: stuff and the girls next door and all of that.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And then they kind of like are like, oh, well,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: now I'm, you know, not married or whatever. And now
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: there's this younger generation of like Gen Z that are
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: actually like, you got to get married when you're young
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: because the 30 year olds can't find any good men. So, like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: lock it down with the first nice guy you meet
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: in college. The complete opposite of what people were told
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: my age. Like, oh, my God, you don't want to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: marry the guy you were pinned to in college. Are
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you fucking kidding? No, you want to party, party, party,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: then find him, like, around 29. Yes. Get married by
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: 30 and then pop out, you know.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And then the next generation was like, no, you don't
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: want to get married at 29. You want to party, party, party,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and then around 35, panic, freeze your eggs. And now
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, no, no.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: You nailed it.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Just... And then, also, there's a big thing I see
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: with a lot of Gen Z young women that are flexing. Like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I don't have to work. My man pumps my gas,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: pays my bills. And there's people like that who are like, yeah,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: why did our moms ruin it for us? Like, all
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: my mom had to do was, like, make sure that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: there was, like, a tuna casserole in the oven at
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: the end. I'm like, if all I had to do
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: was a tuna casserole, even if I.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Like, maybe my life would be easier. But it's just...
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: It is just a really– I love, like, talking about
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and how, like, attitudes change. And
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: as women, you can make those decisions and you shouldn't
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: be forced to feel like you have to, you know,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: be super sexy or, you know, be bisexual if you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: want to. But if you don't, you don't have to either. Like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I always feel like there was a moment where, like,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: why are you this cis straight female? Like, no, you
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: could be that. You could also be bi. You could
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: also be whatever. Whatever. But you can also, like, it shouldn't,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these women are, like, seeing that, oh,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: it's great. Like, if I just want to be a mom, like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that isn't, like, a loser thing that, like, you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: because there was that moment when Hillary Clinton was, like,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't just home baking cookies. Oh, yeah. Because she wasn't. Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: No.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And she was, like, I went to law school. I'm
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a lawyer. Like, I want my props. Yes. But at
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the same time, it's just crazy.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: So then when this article came out and the girl
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: was like, and I just might. So then were people
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: starting to say what the hell is this situation? Were
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: enough people questioning it?
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: We just got tremendous press from it. Like all press
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: is good press. And I think once he realized that,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: he could really sort of dig into that perviness as
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: his brand. The ads became dirtier. You know, it was that...
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: That Jane article really was a catalyst, I think, for
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: the company. But we would, you know, sometimes we would
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: get flyer bombed. There's a flyer bombing in Striptease where they,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: you know, some gorilla wheat pasters after that Jane article
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: came out, pasted the store over with flyers that said,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: obey your master baiter.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Kind of clever.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: So things like that would happen. In fact, there's a
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: photo insert in here and one of those flyers is
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, he got a lot of mileage out
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: of that. And, you know, that soon he was on
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: 2020 and soon the New York Times was writing about
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: him and business was just totally.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And you're still working there at that time. Oh, yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: So then what happens? Then.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: So after the events of Miami, which is sort of
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: where I the climax of this book, where I really
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: sort of come to terms, I try to leave. I
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: go to Betsy Johnson. I think, oh, my gosh, I've
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: been hiring for American Apparel. They're all going to want me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Nobody wanted me. They were like, oh, American Apparel. Are
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: you one of the girlfriends? Like that was the, I mean,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't say that.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, in the fashion industry. Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Like even in the fashion industry, we were sort of marked.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I ended up going to what I thought, this is
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite stories in striptease. It's called the
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Emperor's Club. I answered this Craigslist ad. I was desperate.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I was looking for a new job. I really wanted
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: to get out of American Apparel. People were like, why
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: did you stay? I tried. I knew shit was scary.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I know. I hate it when people– Like, I need
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a paycheck.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I need the paycheck.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I hate it when people are like, if you didn't
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like it, why didn't you just quit? I'm like, I'm sorry.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: You have a job. You know where to park. You
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: know how to do it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: You work with all your friends.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, it's a big deal to leave a position
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: until you have another one lined up, which that's also
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: hard to do, sneak around and go on job interviews
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But anyway, go on.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I land one that I think is gonna be amazing.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: It's at this fancy hotel off the strip. I go in.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: It's like a strange older man and a young woman.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: And I thought it was for a headhunting position. No,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: it was like a high-class hooker ring.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: And they- So what, you walk in and what do
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: they say?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Well, first, they're all talking in circles. They're like, we
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: know that you applied for the headhunter position. But now
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: that you're here, perhaps you'd like to be a spokesmodel.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: And I was like, spokesmodel? What does that mean? And
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: they kept wanting me to go to their hotel room.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: At least I knew enough to be like, oh, let's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: stay in the lobby. I always did my interviews in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: the lobby. You said your friend did interviews in your hotel.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: So that, I didn't think anything of that.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And I kept saying, but what is the job? What
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: is it for? What company is it for? Headhunting?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: For what?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Spokesmodel? And then they started putting out pieces of paper
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: on the table and one was a map of the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: world and it was in like segments. And then there
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: was like another page with categories on it. It would
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: say like business, music, politics, sports. They were like, you know,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: you're a smart girl. I had my resume and my
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: cover letter. They were like, you could meet a lot
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of people that, you know, would be really, that would
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: really appreciate your, your smarts, you know, your worldliness. And
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: then they brought out another paper and, with diamonds on
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: it and dollar amounts. And I stupidly was like, oh
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: my God, the one job I found is to be
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: a high class worker. Which, you know, I respect sex workers,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: but it just wasn't for me. I was so embarrassed.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Just like, I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: didn't know what this was. And the woman said to me,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: what did you think it was? But it really was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: sort of a trick. They knew I didn't know what
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: I was going in for because, you know, those are
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: the kind of girls they want. They want college girls.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, girl next door, the smart, the clean, the classy.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like– but with anything like that, whether
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it's that or you get a job and then you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: realize it's because you are hot or sexually harassed. And
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh, God, again, go get a job.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's just so disheartening as a woman.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: And I know this happens with men too now. Because
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it's like you thought– You got hired or got the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: interview because you're so fabulous. You're so smart. You're so engaging.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: And then you realize, oh, you dumb girl, you. And
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that's what's like so.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: That's striptease.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: That is what's like so heartbreaking to people. And it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: really just crushes like your spirit and your trust in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: humanity and your trust in yourself and your trust in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: your abilities. And that's like the worst part about. any
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: kind of sexual harassment or what happened with you of like, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I remember I had situations like that, especially with like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: acting and stuff.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: And like, I have so many awful stories, but like, yeah. Yes.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: You should write a book about those.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I have some of them in my thing. And then
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: sometimes they come up and I'm like, oh my God,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: you dumb girl. Like, yeah. I'm doing this one thing
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: and they go, okay, if you want to do this
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: other movie and they hand me this script, And it's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: like this girl's putting on suntan lotion on another girl's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: like open, like she has her top on. And I go,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: is this a porn? And they're like, what? I remember
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the girl goes, what, you think Michelle Pfeiffer didn't do
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: porn before Grease 2? And I'm like, well, I don't know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: but I don't think I have to do porn. Like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not broke, broke. Like I have a Toyota Celica
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  Speaker 1: and I can drive it home to my parents' house
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  Speaker 1: in Woodland Hills and like have shelter.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But I understand that people can. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, because I grew up here, I always had that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that solid ground that you don't have when
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you come from another place. And they probably seek out
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  Speaker 1: people like that.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that are going to be desperate to stay working.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, because they don't have, like, a parent's house
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  Speaker 1: to go home to. It's very true. Yeah, in the town.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: It's very true. In fact, after the Emperor's Club meeting,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: so I went back to look at the Craigslist ad,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: and I see there was a little URL, Emperor's Club.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh. if I'd only clicked. I was applying
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: for jobs left and right. I was like, didn't do
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: my due diligence. But a few years after that, I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: was watching the news and who do I see but
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: the little man and the young woman because Eliot Spitzer,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: the governor of New York, was with an emperor's club girl.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: That's how he got busted. So I was like, oh
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: my God.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, Eliot Spitzer was with He got, he.
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  Speaker 3: Was using funds to pay for an Emperor's Club girl.
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  Speaker 1: And that girl, you know, that girl went on to
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  Speaker 1: marry this guy and his daughter is Alex Earl, the biggest,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: hottest new TikTok person. She is the stepmother of Alex Earl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. You could have been, you could have
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: been the stepmother of Alex Earl.
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  Speaker 3: I could have. That could have been me.
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  Speaker 1: I could be like, how's Alex?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that funny?
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  Speaker 3: That is so funny.
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  Speaker 1: The way, like, yeah, you would not be sitting here today.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: You're living a nice life. She has a nice life. Yes,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. Alex, her old dad, is hot.
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  Speaker 3: That is too funny.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was still married when they met.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So she embraced that. The stepmother embraced the press that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: she got from that Elliot Spitzer stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it all worked out.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then what happened? So what happened? Like, where is
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: he now? Were there lawsuits?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: There were plenty. So who was suing? And really, that's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: kind of what tanked the company. Girls that worked for him.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: So who finally was the first, like, whistleblower? And was it, like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a class action? Or each person got their own person?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And was Gloria Allred called at any point?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, Gloria Allred was called right there, right in the beginning.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: When I was there, Gloria Allred represented two of them.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: And there I was, cheering on the opposite side.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: You're like, these flying girls.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was like, the lawsuits were... There's hustlers
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: on the walls. They use dirty language. It wasn't like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Doug tried to have sex with me. It was like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: we're in a hostile environment. Got it. And so for
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: my feminism of the day.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Did those girls settle for money? Yes. Okay. Any idea
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: how much?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I shouldn't say that. I'm not sure about
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: those specifically. Some were certainly ended in settlement. I think
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: most were. Some of those, which I talk about in striptease,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: were thrown out.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: And he was jubilant.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Yes. So, you know, sometimes the law was on his side.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: But that is really ultimately what tanked the company.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So some of these girls that were the girlfriends who
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: carried on for years boning and folding T-shirts.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: None of them have filed sexual harassment lawsuits.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: So, so who, so was it, was it anybody that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: actually had sex with him on a regular basis, but
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: because they were an employee, they had a right to sue?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Well, when I, I think that I left the company,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: but later on the claims really got very lascivious and,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: you know, there were people that did say stuff like that,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: but that wasn't like my era of the company. The one,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the lawsuits that I talk about in striptease, no, none
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: of the women had slept with him. So that's why
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: it was easy to brush it off. Like, You know,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: he would say, these are opportunists. They're coming for our money.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Like, yes, I wear my underwear here. We design underwear.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: You know, yes, I use foul language. This is the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: fashion industry. Like, this is how it is.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: And that's true.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: That is about the fashion industry because I interviewed and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: read This Real Housewives of New Jersey, Margaret. She wrote
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: a great book, and she was really honest about how, like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: she worked in fashion and– she's like 55 or something.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: So this is when she's like in her twenties and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: she's like, there was so much like sleeping with your
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: boss and like she went and something happened where she
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: didn't really know it was going to happen, but then
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: it did happen. And she was like, okay, I guess
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: this is happening. And was just like very honest about
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: it now. And obviously in retrospect, you know, but it's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: just like, and again, I was like, and you still
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: had to work.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Like I just, like even in my day you would
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: meet like some gorgeous Russian models and they'd be like,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: They're there in an apartment like, these men invite us
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: to go on boat? Like, no, don't go on the boat. Like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: do not go on the boat. It's just like almost
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: part of the job. Like you're a Hollywood course girl
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: in the 20s.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know that too with the modeling thing,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: especially in the 80s, like in Paris and stuff that, yeah,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: they got sucked in to a lot of that, you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: which today would be considered trafficking 100%. For sure.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: So where is everything now with the company and this guy?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: So American Apparel met its end around 2015. Investors kicked
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: out Dove. But really without Dove at the helm, you know,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: it really couldn't support himself. You know, it couldn't support itself.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't exist anymore?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: You know what happened?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Gildan.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're like a huge sweatshop made t-shirt. You
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: buy a concert t-shirt. It's like Gildan in the back.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: They bought the intellectual property. And so you can go
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: to AmericanApparel.whatever and buy some like crappy reproduction that's made
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: in a sweatshop. Okay. So that's where the name is, AmericanApparel.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: He's doing it again. I mean, he's gone bankrupt before.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: He thinks he'll do it again. His new company is
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles Apparel. They have a factory downtown.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: He's working with Kanye.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: So I think he's ready for– So.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Any of those lawsuits and everything, they were all just
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: civil and they were settled or thrown out? Nothing was
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: ever criminal?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, nothing.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: No. So it's all he said, she said kind of stuff.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: And who was happily part of the harem and who wasn't?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the lawsuits that I heard about, this
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: is at the very end, she was like, I was
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: his sex slave and I was locked in a room
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: and I want to be like, I know the sex,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: I know the sex slave, the geisha, and she's not
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: locked in a room. Like that's not how they operated.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: But then again, you know, I had been with a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: company with for years and power and money can warp
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of people very quickly. So, you know, I
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: don't know. But when I was there, um, those lawsuit
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: girls didn't seem like their claims held much water to me.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Well, um, Tell everybody where they can follow you and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: get the book.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes. I'm on Instagram, Kate C. Flannery. You can
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: get the book anywhere. I recommend going to an indie bookstore,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: of course.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yes. Get a book soup and get a cute lunch.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: It's at Barnes & Noble. It's Amazon. It's everywhere.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: And you did an audio version. Yes, I did. For
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the people that like to listen to audio books. Yes.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I'm very proud of the audio version. That's a good one.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I think I could see how it could make a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: great audio. Just even the way you write the description.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Like I can see the bar. I can see the store.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Like it's kind of, it's one of those things that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I think would work great for audio too. Well, thank you. Yes.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: And well, thank you so much for coming. This was great.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody get the book. It's a good summer read. It's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: a cute cover. And you have, you know, great quotes
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and yeah. Juicy, juicy. Thank you very much.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It is a juicy read. It is a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: juicy read. Thank you so much for having me. This
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: was such fun. Thank you.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thanks, Kate.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Bye.
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  Speaker 2: Bye.
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