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- Lucas: Today we're talking about a deal structure that sounds great on paper but has quietly destroyed more than a few founder fortunes — the management roll-up. Luna: Roll-ups are everywhere right now. Private equity loves them. But you're saying the people actually running the roll-up — the CEOs — can get wrecked? Lucas: Exactly. And I want to anchor this on a specific case. There's a mid-sized industrial services company — let's call it Apex Industrial — that was doing about 5 million in EBITDA in late 2023. The founder, a guy named Tom, got approached by a well-known middle-market sponsor. Luna: And they pitched him on becoming the platform CEO for a roll-up in his space, right? Classic narrative. Lucas: Classic. Tom sells 85% of his company for cash and rolls 15% into the new holdco. He also gets an earnout tied to 2025 EBITDA targets. He stays on as CEO, gets a management equity package with time-based vesting over four years. Sounds normal, sounds fair. Luna: So where's the trap? Lucas: The trap is buried in three clauses that most founder-CEOs never negotiate because their lawyers tell them 'this is standard.' First, the change of control definition in the management equity plan. Second, the good leaver / bad leaver provisions. Third, the drag-along rights in the shareholders' agreement. Luna: Okay, walk me through the change of control part, because I think listeners might assume that's when the whole company is sold. Lucas: You'd think. But in Tom's agreement, 'change of control' was defined to include not just a sale of the holdco, but also a sale of any material subsidiary — or a change in the majority of the board. So the sponsor could effectively trigger a change of control without selling the whole company. And once that happens, unvested equity typically accelerates or vests — but here's the kicker — the sponsor can then force the CEO to sell his vested shares back to the company. At fair market value as determined by the board. Guess who controls the board? Luna: The sponsor holds the board. Lucas: Right. So 14 months into the roll-up, the sponsor decides Tom isn't moving fast enough on acquisitions. They replace him as CEO. That triggers a termination without cause — which, under the management equity plan, makes him a 'good leaver.' But 'good leaver' doesn't automatically mean he keeps his equity. In Tom's case, 'good leaver' only entitled him to vesting of his pro-rata tranche through the date of termination, plus a one-year tail. But the repurchase right we just mentioned meant the sponsor bought back his vested shares at a price they set. And because the company hadn't closed any add-ons yet, the valuation hadn't moved much. Luna: So Tom gets pushed out, gets pennies for his equity, and then what about the earnout? Lucas: The earnout is attached to him being employed. Standard language: 'continued employment through the earnout period.' He's fired. The earnout gets zero. But wait — the earnout also had a clawback provision if he breached the non-compete. And the non-compete was tied to him 'voluntarily leaving' — but the sponsor later argued that his departure was voluntary because he could have negotiated a settlement to stay. It was a stretch, but they used it to threaten litigation. Tom settled for a fraction of what the earnout could have been. Luna: So he got pushed out, equity repurchased cheap, earnout zeroed — but he still had that 15% roll-over equity. That should have been real value, right? Unless... Lucas: Unless the drag-along rights kicked in. And they did. Two years later, the sponsor sold the entire platform to a strategic buyer. Tom's shares were dragged along. But here's the thing — the sponsor had done a recapitalization in between, issuing a preferred equity tranche that had a liquidation preference. Tom's common stock sat behind that preference. By the time the sponsor got their 2x return, there was nothing left for Tom. Luna: So Tom went from owning a company worth five times EBITDA to walking away with effectively zero? That's brutal. Lucas: That's the roll-up trap. The sponsor didn't do anything illegal. They used standard M&A language. But the combination of change of control, good leaver / bad leaver, and drag-along — when stacked in a roll-up structure — can eviscerate a founder's equity even if the roll-up itself succeeds. Luna: And I'm guessing the earnout in a roll-up is fundamentally different from a single-company deal? Lucas: Completely different. In a single deal, the earnout is based on the company's own performance. In a roll-up, the earnout is typically tied to the holdco's performance — which includes acquisitions the CEO may have no control over. If the sponsor overpays for an add-on and drags down EBITDA, the CEO's earnout suffers. Or if the sponsor accelerates acquisitions and the integration costs hit EBITDA, same problem. The CEO is being measured on a machine they can't steer. Luna: So what's the lesson for an operator listening right now who might be in a similar pitch meeting? Lucas: First, negotiate the change of control definition so it only triggers on a sale of the holdco — not on board changes or subsidiary sales. Second, make sure 'good leaver' includes termination without cause AND constructive dismissal, and that the repurchase price is set by an independent appraiser, not the board. Third, cap the liquidation preference that can stack ahead of your common stock. And fourth — this is hard — push for an earnout metric that isolates your original company's performance, not the whole platform's. Luna: And maybe hire a lawyer who's done this before, not someone who just reads boilerplate. Lucas: Honestly, yeah. The lawyers who say 'this is standard' are the ones who don't have to live with the consequences. You need someone who knows where the bodies are buried. Luna: You know, Lucas, this kind of deep-dive is exactly why I think our listeners really value this show. Lucas: I feel the same way. And it's also why we keep the show ad-free — so we can talk about exactly these dark corners without anyone pulling punches. Luna: If this conversation helps someone avoid what happened to Tom, that's the whole point. If that's worth a coffee to you, you know where to find us. Lucas: Buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Small gesture, huge impact on keeping this going. Luna: Alright, back to the mechanics. Lucas, you mentioned the recap the sponsor did — can you walk us through how that preferred equity tranche worked? Lucas: Sure. About 18 months into the roll-up, the sponsor brought in a preferred equity partner to fund a big add-on acquisition. The preferred had a 1x liquidation preference plus a 10% cumulative dividend. So when the platform sold for $120 million, after paying off debt and transaction costs, the preferred got about $45 million before common saw a dime. The sponsor's common and the management common split the remainder, but the sponsor had a higher class of common with a preference too. Tom's low-tier common ended up with nothing. Luna: So the drag-along essentially forced him to participate in a sale where he got zero. That seems like a structural issue that could be addressed with a minimum price clause in the shareholders' agreement. Lucas: Absolutely. A minority holder can negotiate that they don't have to be dragged into a sale unless the consideration per share exceeds a certain floor. Or that they get a preferential distribution up to a cap before certain classes get paid. But most founders don't think about exit scenarios when they're signing the deal — they think about upside. Luna: And the sponsor is thinking about the downside from day one. Lucas: Exactly. The sponsor's job is to protect their return. The founder's job is to protect their equity. And the roll-up structure gives the sponsor way more tools. Luna: There's also the question of information rights. Did Tom have any ability to see what the sponsor was doing with the valuation of his shares? Lucas: He had standard information rights — quarterly financials, annual audit. But the valuation of his shares for the repurchase was determined by the board. He could hire his own appraiser, but the agreement said the board's appraiser's determination was 'conclusive and binding' unless the CEO filed a lawsuit within 30 days. That's a very short window, and the cost of litigation against a well-funded sponsor is prohibitive. Luna: So even if he thought the repurchase price was unfair, his only real recourse was to sue — which he couldn't afford. Lucas: Right. And the sponsor knew that. This is why the language around repurchase mechanics is so critical. You want a right of first refusal, not a mandatory repurchase at board-determined price. And you want a defined valuation methodology — say, a multiple of trailing EBITDA — not a vague 'fair market value.' Luna: Let's talk about the non-compete. You mentioned that was used as leverage on the earnout. Lucas: Yes. Tom's non-compete was 18 months and covered the entire region where the sponsor might do deals — about nine states. When he was terminated, the sponsor reminded him that if he took a job with a competitor, they'd not only enforce the non-compete but also argue that constituted a breach of a 'voluntary separation' clause in the earnout agreement, triggering the clawback. So Tom couldn't work in his industry for a year and a half without risking litigation. Luna: That's effectively a garden leave with no pay. Lucas: Exactly. And Tom didn't have the cash to fight it. So he sat out, watched the roll-up continue, and eventually settled the earnout for pennies. Luna: One thing I'd add for listeners: if you're a founder being recruited to run a roll-up, ask to see the management equity plan and shareholders' agreement before you sign the purchase agreement for your company. Because once you sell, you lose leverage. And if the sponsor says 'we'll sort that out post-closing,' that's a red flag. Lucas: That's a great point. Tom didn't see the full management equity plan until after closing. His lawyer said it was 'standard' and would be finalized later. Never accept that. You need to negotiate those documents in parallel with the purchase agreement. Luna: So to summarize for someone who might be in Tom's position: change of control definition, good leaver / bad leaver language, repurchase pricing mechanism, drag-along minimum price, earnout isolation, and non-compete scope. Six items. Lucas: That's a solid checklist. And I'd add one more: make sure you have the right to approve any material change in the capital structure, like a preferred equity issuance. Because that's what ultimately wiped out Tom's common. Luna: Tom's story is a cautionary tale, but it's not unique. I've heard versions of this across manufacturing, healthcare services, even software. Lucas: Roll-ups are a legitimate strategy. They can create enormous value. But the asymmetry of information and power between sponsor and operator is real. The only defense is to understand where the traps are and to be willing to walk away if the sponsor won't negotiate. Luna: And maybe bring your own lawyer who's done a hundred roll-ups, not just your cousin who does real estate closings. Lucas: Yeah. That's the biggest thing. The cost of good M&A legal counsel is a fraction of the value they can protect. Tom's lawyer charged him 15 thousand dollars. He left over 10 million on the table. Luna: Alright, that's a sobering note to end on. Thanks for walking through this, Lucas. Lucas: Thanks, Luna. If listeners want to dig deeper, we'll link to a sample management equity plan with red flags annotated on our site. Until next time.