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O.J. Simpson living the lux life in Vegas mansion, one year out of jail · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you get into a fight, Nicole comes out,
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Speaker 1: got a little loud, and by that time, uh, Nicole
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Speaker 1: had come out and we started having words about who
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Speaker 1: is this guy? Wise here? What's going on? And she says,
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Speaker 1: this is my house that I find here, Yes, and uh,
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Speaker 1: which I didn't like because once again this is the
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Speaker 1: same person. And if you read the book you'll see
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Speaker 1: some things that happened in the two weeks leading up
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Speaker 1: to this that we're very very irritating, you know. And
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Speaker 1: I think Charlie had follow this guy in one makes
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Speaker 1: sure it was no problem, and he brought the knife
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Speaker 1: as things got heated. I just remember the cold fill
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Speaker 1: and hurt herself and uh, this guy kind of got
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Speaker 1: into a karate thing and I said, well, you think
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Speaker 1: you can kick my ass? And I remember grabbed the knife.
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Speaker 1: I do remember that portion taking a knife from Charlie,
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I don't remember except
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Speaker 1: I'm standing there and it's all kind of stuff around,
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Speaker 1: and um, what kind of stuff, but stuff around, you know.
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Speaker 1: We I hate to say this, I know we got
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Speaker 1: to back up again. Okay, I want to back up
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Speaker 1: and try to make people think that I'm um, you
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Speaker 1: wrote in the book I had never seen so much
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Speaker 1: blood in my life. Mm hmmy covered, you're covered the scene?
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Speaker 1: Can you describe? It's hard for me to describe it.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling I don't think any two people could be
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Speaker 1: um murdered the way they were without everybody been covered
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Speaker 1: in blood. And of course I think we've all seen
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Speaker 1: the grizzly pictures after Solf. Yeah, I think everything was covered,
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Speaker 1: would have been covered in blood. If you don't know
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Speaker 1: that voice, I don't know what cave you've been living
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. That's Orenthal James Simpson O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson speaking to Fox TV Judith Reagan. O J. Simpson
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Speaker 1: quote the Lost Confession. What a crowd of lies? What? Well?
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Speaker 1: He didn't like that Nicole Brown had a friend over.
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Speaker 1: They were divorced. He didn't have a say in that.
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Speaker 1: He found it irritating. Things got heated and Nicole fell right.
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Speaker 1: In other words, he beat her again. There was a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff around, he says. What he's talking about
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Speaker 1: our dead bodies and blood. And right now O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson has escaped justice again. He's been out one year
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Speaker 1: and he is living the life. Let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: every bar in town knows his favorite drink. I even
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Speaker 1: know it two thousand miles away. It's a dry Martini
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Speaker 1: three olives extra cold. Can I tell you something else.
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Speaker 1: He can afford a twenty dollar drink? Oh yes he can.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. It never ends with O. J. Simpson
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Speaker 1: with me. All star lineup, Kenya Johnson Atlanta prosecutor, Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick California prosecutor, veteran and joining us from Simpson's former jurisdiction, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, l A psycho analyst, and new guests joining
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Speaker 1: us criminal defense attorney Eric Johnson right now to David Mack,
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Speaker 1: syndicated talk show host David mac a year out. You
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Speaker 1: do know that one bar in Vegas has already checked
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Speaker 1: him out, right, He was so drunk and angry and belligerent.
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Speaker 1: What happened then? I don't understand why he's not behind
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Speaker 1: bars on a parole violation. What happened with that fiasco?
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Speaker 1: You know, he got booted out like his first couple
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Speaker 1: of days of freedom. You know the guy, Nancy. I'm
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Speaker 1: probably the only person on this panel that for a
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Speaker 1: long time has gone back and forth on his guilt
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Speaker 1: on those murders. I'm not kidding. Yeah, you probably are.
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Speaker 1: You may be one of the few people left in America.
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Speaker 1: You didn't hear that quote, lost confession he just gave
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Speaker 1: Judith Reagan. You didn't hear that. No, that's what gets
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Speaker 1: me every time. See I always I always thought that
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Speaker 1: Jason was involved, his son Jason, and there's a whole
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Speaker 1: history there. But can I just ask you something, David
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Speaker 1: Matt Can I just ask you something? Give me one
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Speaker 1: shred of evidence that places Jason Simpson's son at the
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Speaker 1: same one shred place. Well, there's a problem with his
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Speaker 1: alibium where he was supposedly at work. The police checked
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Speaker 1: it out, but they didn't check out the fact that
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Speaker 1: there was a problem with when he left the restaurant
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Speaker 1: that night. He was a sush chief. He had his
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Speaker 1: own bag of knives. We all know Jay was frightened
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Speaker 1: of blood and made him sick. And again, every time
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Speaker 1: I hear that confession, it just turns my stomach. Other
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Speaker 1: than he left early that night from his job. That's it.
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Speaker 1: That's all you got for me, Because if that's all
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Speaker 1: you've got, I don't want to hear that again. He
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Speaker 1: was on probation for assaulting a previous girlfriend, where he
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Speaker 1: held a knife to her neck and threatened and threatened
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Speaker 1: her with life and then cut all of her hair off.
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Speaker 1: He was on probation for that. He actually was picked
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Speaker 1: up from his job that night at with his girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: They both have two different stories. He claimed they went
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Speaker 1: back to her place and he didn't leave and they
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Speaker 1: watched TV. She claimed that he left there at like
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Speaker 1: ten oh five and came back around eleven thirty. So
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Speaker 1: he was according to the girlfriend that picked him up
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Speaker 1: from work that night. By the way, he was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be cooking for Nicole and that whole gathering. They
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Speaker 1: weren't supposed to go to Mental Luna. They were supposed
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Speaker 1: to go to the restaurant where Jason Simpson was the chef.
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Speaker 1: He had told everybody they were coming, He had prepared
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Speaker 1: the table, he was preparing their food when they didn't
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Speaker 1: show up, which is why he got off work early
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Speaker 1: that night. So there's a gap in his alibi of
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Speaker 1: an hour and twenty minutes, and it happened to be
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Speaker 1: during the time. So let me understand, Let me understand.
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Speaker 1: You think because he didn't cook dinner for them, he
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Speaker 1: decided to commit double murder. Let me mull on that
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Speaker 1: just one moment, Okay. To Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor. Simpson
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Speaker 1: has been out on another charge and armed robbery charge
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Speaker 1: that he was convicted on after walking free on the
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Speaker 1: double murders of Ron Goldman and Cole Brown. He ends
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Speaker 1: up with a guy that I put in jail for
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Speaker 1: drug trafficking, uh many many years ago. He gets out
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Speaker 1: her look and hooks up with Simpson in Vegas. So
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Speaker 1: they decide to rob a memorabilia purveyor at gunpoint. He
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Speaker 1: gets about nine years and they let him out one
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Speaker 1: year out of jail. He's living the life, Wendy, did
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Speaker 1: you ever believe this was gonna happen? You know, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: we did believe that he would be released. However, what
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that he's already lasted a year of
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Speaker 1: custody without being remanded. He gets so close to the line,
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Speaker 1: and you know, you've already talked about some of it,
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Speaker 1: getting kicked out of a bar dept, drinking in public.
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Speaker 1: Remember he's supposed to be under a certain blood alcohol level.
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Speaker 1: But it's it's fun in the sun for O J
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Speaker 1: right now in Las Vegas. He did not go to Florida.
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Speaker 1: Remember that was the original plans that were expressed at
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Speaker 1: the parole hearing, but so close to the line, so
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Speaker 1: many people watching him, so public, he's gonna take it
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Speaker 1: too far and he's gonna end up back in custody.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the question is if, but when and
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Speaker 1: for what? So I know we're watching this and people
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Speaker 1: are resentful that he seems to be living the life.
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Speaker 1: But if, if history is our guide with his behavior,
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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time, Nancy. I mean Eric Johnson,
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney. No offense, Eric, but how do you
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Speaker 1: do it? I mean Simpson is living in a mansion
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Speaker 1: with a heated pool and driving a Bentley around town.
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Speaker 1: He's making cash hand over fist by signing memorabilia and
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Speaker 1: photos for cash because he doesn't want Fred Goldman to
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Speaker 1: make a rightful claim on that money. He's rolling in dough.
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Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, I mean that is not justice. Well, the
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Speaker 1: fact that he has money is a tributal to his
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Speaker 1: career earnings and what he did before that. The fact
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Speaker 1: that he's able to support himself after he's paid a
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Speaker 1: debt to society serving his time in prison. Uh, The
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Speaker 1: mouth that he's able to make should not be something
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Speaker 1: that everyone has in trouble with. I mean, he has
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Speaker 1: a capacity to earn money more. He has a capacity
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Speaker 1: to more. Eric, Hold, let me just bring you up
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Speaker 1: to date. You know what, I think. I'll let Kingya
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Speaker 1: Johnson bring you up to date, Kenya. Isn't it true
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Speaker 1: he had a thirty three point five million dollars civil
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Speaker 1: verdict against him for the murders of Ron Goldman and
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Speaker 1: Denise Brown and because he hasn't paid one red sin
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Speaker 1: on it, it's blossomed. It's up now seventy million dollars.
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Speaker 1: He owes absolutely. I would say that he has not
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Speaker 1: paid his debt to society, especially not to the father
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Speaker 1: of Ron Goldman. So they to Nicode Ms Brown, so
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Speaker 1: they have to. He still has a lot of work
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Speaker 1: to do. Um, so he should not be living a
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Speaker 1: lot of sh lifetown. He should be reporting all of
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Speaker 1: his earning and continue and once he has paid that
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Speaker 1: judgment in full, then need to live the life that
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Speaker 1: he feels that he's earned. I must disagree with, Oh
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Speaker 1: j should not be having such a great time. Well, well,
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Speaker 1: hold on one thing you'd have to say, now that
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Speaker 1: is a civil matter. He paid his criminal death of
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Speaker 1: society and so therefore, if he is legally able to
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Speaker 1: make an make an income that is not that is
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Speaker 1: not going to be in trivial to the settlement, then
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Speaker 1: that is something that he can do. The laws are
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Speaker 1: set up this way. He has attorneys to set up
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Speaker 1: these things, almost like the way rich individuals avoid taxes.
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Speaker 1: So the bottom line is he has to make a
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Speaker 1: loving for himself. He's out. He can't be a bomb
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Speaker 1: on the street because that would definitely violate his probation
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Speaker 1: and we don't want that. So he does have a
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Speaker 1: right to make an income. And the fact that he's
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Speaker 1: not paying this settlement right now, I mean, those are
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Speaker 1: something that the lawyers will have to take up in
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Speaker 1: a civil matter. I don't even know what you just said.
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Speaker 1: Because his civil judgment, which is now seventy million dollars
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Speaker 1: decided by a jury, attaches to every penny he makes
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Speaker 1: so far he has not paid anything. He has not
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Speaker 1: willingly paid one cent. Well, that may be true. Ron
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Speaker 1: Goldman or Denise Brown's family, Well, then well then the
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Speaker 1: Goldman family and the Brown family have legal measure to
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Speaker 1: go to try to attach income. If he's making these appearances,
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Speaker 1: then they have the ability to do that. So it's
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Speaker 1: not that they don't have any records. So the fact
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Speaker 1: that he hasn't voluntarily paid this money. That is something
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Speaker 1: that the legal counsel would have to take up. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Simpson in his so called last confession.
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Speaker 1: What was the hardest thing for you at that time
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Speaker 1: that people You're writ in the book that you couldn't
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Speaker 1: believe that people thought you were a murdering It's hard
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Speaker 1: to believe that. It seems so easy listening to the
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Speaker 1: TV that week, that it was that easy for people
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Speaker 1: to believe that I could I could kill two people.
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Speaker 1: I thought that my whole life will meant something. I
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Speaker 1: thought the type of guy that I had lived my life,
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Speaker 1: being pretty upstanding, got man like everybody, had my faults,
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Speaker 1: like most men in my position. Uh, sometime temptations of
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Speaker 1: the flesh is there. You get into a fight, Nicole
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Speaker 1: comes out, got a little loud, and by that time, Uh,
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Speaker 1: Nicole had come out and we started having words about
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Speaker 1: who is this guy, why is he here? What's going on?
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Speaker 1: And she says, this is my house, get the found here, yes,
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Speaker 1: and uh, which I didn't like because once again this
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Speaker 1: is the same person. And if you read the book,
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Speaker 1: you'll see some things that happened in the two weeks
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Speaker 1: leading up to this that we're very, very irritating, you know.
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Speaker 1: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one
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Speaker 1: makes sure it was no problem, and he brought the knife.
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Speaker 1: As things got heated. I just remember the cold fail
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Speaker 1: and hurt herself and this guy kind of got into
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Speaker 1: a karate thing and I said, well, you think you
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Speaker 1: can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed the knife.
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Speaker 1: I do remember that portion taking a knife from Charlie,
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Speaker 1: And to be honest, after that, I don't remember, except
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Speaker 1: I'm standing there and it's all kind of stuff around,
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Speaker 1: and um, what kind of stuff blood and stuff around,
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Speaker 1: you know. I hate to say, I'm sorry. I know
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Speaker 1: we got to back up again, Okay, I want to
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Speaker 1: back up to try to make people think that I'm um.
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Speaker 1: You wrote in the book I had never seen so
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Speaker 1: much blood in my life. Mm hmm. Covered. You're covered
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Speaker 1: the scene? Can you describe? It's hard for me to
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Speaker 1: describe it. I'm telling you, I don't think any two
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Speaker 1: people could be um murder the way they were without
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Speaker 1: everybody been covered in blood. And of course I think
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Speaker 1: we've all seen the grizzly pictures after so yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think everything was recovered head. You're hearing Simpson or anhal
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Speaker 1: James Simpson and the quote lost confession as he's speaking
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Speaker 1: to Ju to the Reagan formally at Fox. This marks
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Speaker 1: the first year of Simpson's freedom after a conviction for
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Speaker 1: armed robbery in Vegas. He was love lock see I
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Speaker 1: number ten, and now he's walking free, driving a Bentley,
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Speaker 1: living in a mansion in a heated pool, ordering his
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Speaker 1: favorite drink every night at various bars, Dry Martini, extra cold,
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Speaker 1: three olives. Okay to Dr Bethany Marshall, renowned Ellie psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 1: I got to hear your take on what he just said, Fancy.
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Speaker 1: I love the way O. J. Minimizes the severity and
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Speaker 1: the horrific nature of this attack. First of all, he says,
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Speaker 1: I got a little irritated, rather than I had a
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Speaker 1: rage attack and I slashed her throat almost to the vertebrate.
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Speaker 1: I love the way he says this guy got into
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Speaker 1: a karate move, rather than poor Ron Goldman was cowering
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Speaker 1: in the corner trying to defend himself. I love the
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Speaker 1: way he says I didn't like this guy being in
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Speaker 1: my house, rather than I was stalking my wife and
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Speaker 1: making her feel that she couldn't even entertain people in
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Speaker 1: the privacy of her own home. I love the way
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Speaker 1: he says blood was everywhere, as if it magically appeared,
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Speaker 1: without the fact that o J. Slashed everybody. Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: live six blocks from where this crime occurred. Um she
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Speaker 1: lived three blocks below San Pasani Boulevard and I lived
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Speaker 1: three blocks above it at the time of these crimes.
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Speaker 1: And I went to Metzaluna for dinner all the time.
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Speaker 1: We had the same nail person. We went to the
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Speaker 1: same spot in Brentwood, Brentwood. And the reason she hung
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Speaker 1: out with with Ron Goldman, who was a waiter at Metzaluna,
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Speaker 1: was because she was too terrified to leave the neighborhoo hood.
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Speaker 1: She cherry picked her friends from that small community, and
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Speaker 1: she entertained in her home because she was afraid to
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Speaker 1: go anywhere. And even in the privacy of her own home,
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Speaker 1: she was attacked. And the one last thing about these
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Speaker 1: comments in this so called interview that O. J. Simpson
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Speaker 1: is making, he says people will see that in the
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Speaker 1: two weeks leading up to this, as if everybody is
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Speaker 1: so fascinated with the story. This is the sociopast grandiosity,
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Speaker 1: wanting everybody to peer into his life and judge the
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Speaker 1: details and to feel sorry for him in some way.
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Speaker 1: They're just sociopathy has just written all over the place
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Speaker 1: in this to Dave Max, indicated talk show host, he's
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Speaker 1: out on parole, What exactly are the terms of Simpson's parole.
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Speaker 1: He has to He's supposedly supposed to stay out of trouble,
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Speaker 1: which you pointed out several times, but he isn't doing.
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Speaker 1: He's skating by on that. He's supposed to have income
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Speaker 1: coming in. He has to check in with his parole guy.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. I mean, he's got he can
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Speaker 1: travel anywhere he wants. That's the other part of this.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that till I was looking at this
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Speaker 1: for today. I didn't know that he was free to
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Speaker 1: Rome wherever he wants to go in the United States
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Speaker 1: of America. He's free to go. He can do whatever
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Speaker 1: he wants. He's as free as you were made. He
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Speaker 1: is under an alcohol band to the extent he's not
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Speaker 1: supposed to exceed point oh eight that's the legal limit.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's like everybody else. You're not supposed to
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Speaker 1: drive at point oh eight or over. He can't use
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Speaker 1: any drugs unless legally prescribed. He's not allowed to be
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Speaker 1: around weapons. He is subject to random drug and alcohol screenings.
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Speaker 1: He can travel, but he has to have the say so,
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Speaker 1: the okay by his parole officer. They did not order
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Speaker 1: him to get a job, which typically paroles are ordered
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Speaker 1: to get a job. But in my mind, to Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, these conditions are very lax. He doesn't even
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Speaker 1: have to hold down a job. Yeah, you know what's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He is seventy one years old, but in today's day
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Speaker 1: and age, that is not old at all. Many would
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Speaker 1: say that's the prime of life. And you see them
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Speaker 1: enough footage of him to know, even if we didn't
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Speaker 1: have the description of his ideal day, which he apparently
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Speaker 1: lives over and over again, he has the wherewithal, the
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Speaker 1: physical ability and the mental ability to have a job.
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Speaker 1: So then the question becomes, why would it have been
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Speaker 1: so burdensome to order that, particularly as we have been
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Speaker 1: discussing as a group, he owes this massive debt to
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Speaker 1: the Goldman's So taking these selfies and by the way,
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Speaker 1: you gotta wonder, where are these people posting the selfies
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Speaker 1: they take with O. J. Simpson, they would be crucified
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Speaker 1: if they posted him on social media. But however, he
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Speaker 1: is in making this cash based income to order him
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Speaker 1: to get a legitimate job, would at least have gone
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Speaker 1: a long way, or at least a little bit of
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Speaker 1: the way in trying to pay back some of what
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Speaker 1: he owes. I mean that that would at least help
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Speaker 1: this public perception that he's living like a wealthy retiree,
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Speaker 1: which he is. I'm not living in a Vegas mansion.
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Speaker 1: With that he did pool driving a Bentley, ordering twenty
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Speaker 1: dollar drinks all over town. No, I'm holding down multiple
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Speaker 1: jobs and raising the twins. This guy is living the
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Speaker 1: life and speaking of not paying what he owes, the
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Speaker 1: Goldman's and the Browns take a listen to Nevada District
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Speaker 1: Court Judge Jackie Glass. The tapes, however, in this case
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Speaker 1: indicated to me when I listened, that you didn't want
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Speaker 1: all of those items to fall into the hands of
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Speaker 1: the Goldman's, and you were heard on the tape maybe
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Speaker 1: making reference to them as the gold diggers. That was
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Speaker 1: then this is nat. So you put your group together
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Speaker 1: and you went to the palestation to get those items
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Speaker 1: back and what you didn't know and also you, Mr
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Speaker 1: Stewart didn't know, was the planning was taped. The event
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21:21
Speaker 1: go through the back gate, yes, and it was open
21:25
Speaker 1: or broken or I don't recall. I go to the
21:29
Speaker 1: front and I'm looking to see what's going on. Um,
21:33
Speaker 1: and I can see that appears like Nicole had flop.
21:37
Speaker 1: I had candles all the time. She really did to
21:39
Speaker 1: keep her overhead down, I think. And music was on.
21:42
Speaker 1: And while I was there, a guy shows up. So
21:46
Speaker 1: Ron Goldman comes in the back edge. Yeah, I got
21:49
Speaker 1: I really didn't recognize I may have seen him around,
21:51
Speaker 1: but I really didn't recognize him to be anyone. And uh,
21:56
Speaker 1: and in the mood I was in, I started having
21:58
Speaker 1: words with him. She says to you, I just came
22:01
Speaker 1: by to return a pair of glasses. Judy left them
22:03
Speaker 1: at the restaurant. Yeah. That effect, yes, And I don't
22:09
Speaker 1: know if I believe that. I didn't believe it. It
22:11
Speaker 1: was pretty much immaterial because you know, Uh, I was
22:15
Speaker 1: more concerned about everything that everything that was going on,
22:18
Speaker 1: you know, and UH was fit up with it. I
22:21
Speaker 1: guess you're hearing O. J. Simpson in quote the Lost Confession,
22:25
Speaker 1: speaking to our friend Judith Reagan formally at Fox. When
22:30
Speaker 1: you hear that, is there any doubt he committed double
22:33
Speaker 1: murder and never went to jail for it. Simpson has
22:36
Speaker 1: been out of prison for one year after being convicted
22:40
Speaker 1: on another felony, this armed robbery. Take a listen to this.
22:45
Speaker 1: You thought O. J. Simpson would be treated like a pariah,
22:48
Speaker 1: look at these images. It seems fit. Everywhere he goes,
22:51
Speaker 1: strangers want to take selfies with him. Simpson, now seventy one,
22:56
Speaker 1: is living like a wealthy senior citizen in a gated
22:58
Speaker 1: community in Las Vegas. He's not hiding out. One of
23:02
Speaker 1: his regular activities is attending Golden Night's hockey games. Simpson's attorney,
23:08
Speaker 1: Malcolm Laverne, He's a senior citizen. He's a seven year
23:11
Speaker 1: old man. So he intends to do exactly what we've
23:14
Speaker 1: always said he's going to do, which is to be
23:16
Speaker 1: a retiree involved, spend time with his family and friends.
23:20
Speaker 1: Spend time with his family and friends. You're hearing our
23:22
Speaker 1: friend Jim Murray inside edition talking about the life Simpson
23:26
Speaker 1: is leading to Dr Bethany Marshall l a psycho at
23:29
Speaker 1: last who wants a selfie with O. J. Simpson and Nancy.
23:33
Speaker 1: People are confused, and they are so desperate for their
23:36
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of fame that they will even inject themselves
23:40
Speaker 1: into the notoriety of O. J. Simpson. But can I
23:42
Speaker 1: make a comment about something? O J? Said? One of
23:45
Speaker 1: the primary features of narcissism and sociopathy is self aggrandizement
23:51
Speaker 1: and devaluation of others. He calls Ron Goldman that guy
23:56
Speaker 1: who's entering through the back gate. He says about Nicole,
24:01
Speaker 1: I think she was burning candles to save money, as
24:05
Speaker 1: if Nicole was poor and broke and desperate on the edge.
24:10
Speaker 1: He can't even that. The devaluation just leaks out and everything.
24:15
Speaker 1: He says, she was a beautiful woman in the prime
24:19
Speaker 1: of her life. And have you ever seen Ron Goldman
24:22
Speaker 1: so handsome at the beginning of his life, chopped down
24:27
Speaker 1: in his youth. And he describes them as if they
24:30
Speaker 1: were those bodies with that blood all over the house,
24:35
Speaker 1: as if they don't even matter, as if they're just
24:37
Speaker 1: pieces of garbage. Simpson has been out of prison for
24:40
Speaker 1: one year and living a life of luxury in Vegas.
24:45
Speaker 1: The disgraced football star spends almost every day on the
24:51
Speaker 1: golf course, four or five times a week, at the
24:54
Speaker 1: very least at a royo golf club. If you thought
24:57
Speaker 1: he would be a social pariah, you're are wrong. Now
25:01
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Simpson. This
25:04
Speaker 1: is actually taped at the time of the armed robbery
25:07
Speaker 1: when he storms into a Vegas hotel room and steals
25:10
Speaker 1: his stuff back at gunpoint. Listen, you know, as I'm
25:39
Speaker 1: hearing that tape of him cursing everybody out, saying, don't
25:42
Speaker 1: let him out, don't let him out? Is this hinge?
25:44
Speaker 1: People are waving guns at their noses. You know, It's
25:48
Speaker 1: just all I can see in my mind, Kenya Johnson.
25:53
Speaker 1: Is that big blow up of Nicole Brown in life
25:58
Speaker 1: after she called nine one one one of the anytime
26:00
Speaker 1: Simpson beat her to a pulp, her whole face just
26:04
Speaker 1: swollen up all just I could hardly even recognize her,
26:08
Speaker 1: black and blue and red, with her lips all busted
26:12
Speaker 1: and her eye black. That's what I think of, And
26:15
Speaker 1: I think of Simpson towering over her, a football star,
26:19
Speaker 1: beating her and beating her and beating her. You know, Nancy,
26:24
Speaker 1: this was certainly a tragic fence. However, this brought the
26:30
Speaker 1: nationwide spotlight on domestic violence. And since this o J case,
26:35
Speaker 1: and as prosecutors cites the o J case for the
26:37
Speaker 1: shift in culture related to domestic violence, more laws have
26:41
Speaker 1: been in active, more protections for the victims of violence,
26:44
Speaker 1: and more resources are available. And so that's one good
26:48
Speaker 1: thing that came from this horrendous murder in the face
26:51
Speaker 1: of how we're able to help victims of crime. To
26:53
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, as you hear the tape that I
26:56
Speaker 1: just played, that was the actual crime scene when he
27:00
Speaker 1: verst in that Vegas hotel room, everybody waving guns saying
27:04
Speaker 1: don't let him out, don't let him out. Can you
27:06
Speaker 1: imagine Nicole Brown alone in her living room with this
27:09
Speaker 1: guy baiting the crap out of her, cowering, frightened, bloodied, bruised,
27:17
Speaker 1: with a perpetrator who's devaluing her for lighting candles to
27:21
Speaker 1: save money, you know, Nancy, So she pass our drama
27:25
Speaker 1: queens at the end of the day, they love attention,
27:28
Speaker 1: which is what we can see right now. His whole
27:30
Speaker 1: life is organized around people taking selfies and bellying up
27:34
Speaker 1: to the bar and getting as much attention as possible.
27:37
Speaker 1: So not only is this a dramatic attempt to steal
27:42
Speaker 1: merchandise so that the Goldman's can't get any recuperation for
27:46
Speaker 1: their crimes, but he just loves the noise. He loves
27:49
Speaker 1: the attention. In any form he can take, he will
27:52
Speaker 1: get it. Take a listen to this, I asked, I
27:55
Speaker 1: said to Mr Simpson, I didn't know if he was
27:58
Speaker 1: arrogant or ignorant or both. And during the trial and
28:02
Speaker 1: through this proceeding I got the answer, and it was both.
28:06
Speaker 1: At the time, not now, after you've been locked up
28:08
Speaker 1: for sixty four days. And at the time I saw
28:11
Speaker 1: you at the bail hearing, it was clear to the
28:14
Speaker 1: court that you believed you could do in Las Vegas
28:18
Speaker 1: what you couldn't do elsewhere. You could get your stuff back.
28:25
Speaker 1: In the book, the hypothetical is, uh, Charlie, Charlie, this
28:31
Speaker 1: guy Charlie shows up, the guy we had we still
28:33
Speaker 1: become friends with. And uh, I don't know why you've
28:36
Speaker 1: been behind the col's house, but it told me you
28:39
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe what's going on over that and uh, and
28:42
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, well, whatever is going over there has
28:44
Speaker 1: got to stop, right, so we kind of hooked up together.
28:49
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm kind of broad strokenness. We go
28:52
Speaker 1: over and get into Bronco and go over. Let's just
28:54
Speaker 1: go back and do the details. Where did your part?
28:58
Speaker 1: And I put that in the alley front the park
29:00
Speaker 1: in the alley and you've put on a world cap
29:05
Speaker 1: and gloves, and put on cap and gloves, and um,
29:12
Speaker 1: you reached under the seat for a knife. I always
29:17
Speaker 1: kept a knife and not car for the crazies and stuff,
29:19
Speaker 1: because he can't travel with a gun. And I remember
29:22
Speaker 1: Charlie is saying, you ain't bringing it. I didn't, all right,
29:25
Speaker 1: but I believe he took it. Charlie took the knife
29:28
Speaker 1: in the book you're hearing if I did it as
29:31
Speaker 1: a confession by O. J. Simpson to Judith Reagan at Fox.
29:36
Speaker 1: So Dr Bethany Marshall, you're the shrink, You're the high
29:39
Speaker 1: profile l a psycho almost. Who is Charlie? And yes,
29:43
Speaker 1: I'm using air quote. I think Charlie is his evil twin,
29:47
Speaker 1: his uh, the alter ego, the person that he displaces
29:52
Speaker 1: all responsibility into what he really is. I wanted to
29:56
Speaker 1: kill her, but he knows that that would be a
29:58
Speaker 1: bridge too far, which is kind surprising for a sociopath,
30:01
Speaker 1: so he actually displaces it into somebody else, you know,
30:04
Speaker 1: Nancy pay Dr Bethany. It reminds me of little children,
30:08
Speaker 1: and when you catch them doing something wrong, they say,
30:10
Speaker 1: oh um, Charlotte Magne, they make up somebody so and
30:14
Speaker 1: so did it, and there is no so and so.
30:17
Speaker 1: I'm being joined right now by Cop turn P I
30:19
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. It's the oldest game in the book. In fact,
30:22
Speaker 1: I had a name for it, the s O d Defense.
30:24
Speaker 1: Some other dude did that, Nancy, Yeah, I can't see that.
30:28
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the other dude. These aren't even
30:32
Speaker 1: my pants, it's the other dude. Yeah, these aren't my pants.
30:34
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that, I says, I don't know
30:36
Speaker 1: why Charlie had been to the house. Whill I know why?
30:38
Speaker 1: Because Charlie is o J. He had been stalking her.
30:41
Speaker 1: I saw this guy. He shows up. I had seen
30:43
Speaker 1: him before around I don't know who he was the
30:45
Speaker 1: region you saw him, Charlie a k o J is
30:48
Speaker 1: because you had been stalking Nicole and the weeks in
30:50
Speaker 1: the months before you killed her. And that sadistic laugh
30:54
Speaker 1: when he starts talking about this blood Nancy. If there's
30:56
Speaker 1: anybody left in this country besides David matt who thinks,
30:59
Speaker 1: oh he didn't do it, he did it, he is Charlie.
31:02
Speaker 1: He was there that night in ninety four. He was
31:04
Speaker 1: there that night in Vegas. That was Charlie that you
31:07
Speaker 1: heard on that surveillance state. You know what it's reminding
31:09
Speaker 1: me of. Dr Bethany Marshall. Do you remember when Lindsay
31:12
Speaker 1: Lohan one of the many times she was busted, one
31:15
Speaker 1: of the times, she had cocaine in her pants and
31:19
Speaker 1: she said that those aren't mine? Did that's not mine?
31:22
Speaker 1: It's in her pants, her pants on her body. What
31:25
Speaker 1: the pants aren't yours? Or the coke's not yours. It's
31:28
Speaker 1: just the same thing. Some other dude did it. And
31:31
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's so childlike and so unbelievable
31:35
Speaker 1: that people fall for it because they don't want to
31:38
Speaker 1: think something so ridiculous can come out of another person's mouth.
31:41
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what else is ridiculous. He said
31:44
Speaker 1: that he and Charlie didn't like what was going on
31:48
Speaker 1: over there, which to me really means that he was
31:51
Speaker 1: obsessed with Nicole, he was stalking her. He was preoccupied
31:56
Speaker 1: with her. He was simmering with rage. But oh no,
32:00
Speaker 1: he and Charlie were going to just check out the
32:03
Speaker 1: scene and make sure nothing bad was happening over there.
32:06
Speaker 1: You know. Interesting to Vincent Hill, Cop turn P, I
32:10
Speaker 1: have you noticed that guys, well, criminals and well all
32:14
Speaker 1: of us do the same things over and over and
32:17
Speaker 1: over repeat the cycle. I mean, when Simpson walked free
32:21
Speaker 1: from the double murders, I said, he's gonna do something else.
32:24
Speaker 1: This is not over. He can't he can't help himself.
32:28
Speaker 1: What is that impulse in a criminal? They don't get
32:31
Speaker 1: out of jail and go, hey, you know what, I'm
32:33
Speaker 1: gonna get a job and I'm gonna go this straight
32:36
Speaker 1: in there. I'm never going back to jail. No, No,
32:39
Speaker 1: They get right back with their old crew and start
32:41
Speaker 1: all over again. What is that, Vincent, Well, I think
32:44
Speaker 1: part of the nancy is that untouchable factor, right, Like
32:47
Speaker 1: I beat this double murder, I can't be touched. I'm
32:50
Speaker 1: gonna go here. I'm O J. Simpson. And you you
32:52
Speaker 1: see that in a lot of criminals, like, yeah, so
32:54
Speaker 1: what I did a stint here in prison, So what
32:57
Speaker 1: I'm still untouchable? O J? Is a prior an example
33:00
Speaker 1: of he believes he's so untouchable that he can do
33:03
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. What about that too? Eric Johnson, veteran
33:06
Speaker 1: Atlanta criminal defense attorney, do you ever ask when your clients,
33:09
Speaker 1: what can't you just get a job like regular people? Well,
33:11
Speaker 1: I mean that is definitely something you ask a lot
33:13
Speaker 1: of a lot of your clients to see to make
33:14
Speaker 1: sure that they want to get their life back on
33:16
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow. But I mean, I think it's
33:18
Speaker 1: kind of hard to over characterize the o J situation.
33:21
Speaker 1: I mean, he was found not guilty of this particular crime.
33:24
Speaker 1: I mean, he did not have a history of criminal
33:26
Speaker 1: action for that outside of the domestic violence. I'll give
33:29
Speaker 1: you that. The allegations of that, so to assume so
33:34
Speaker 1: those are allegations you didn't see that you did see
33:36
Speaker 1: the picture, however, when I can, I'm speaking as a
33:39
Speaker 1: defense attorney sent as far as charges being filed and
33:42
Speaker 1: things of that nature, but going forward, so there's nothing
33:45
Speaker 1: to say that he's gonna get out and he's definitely
33:46
Speaker 1: gonna beat another woman again. And as far as the
33:49
Speaker 1: Las Vegas situation, I mean, he felt that those were
33:51
Speaker 1: hit right for his items. However, he went about it
33:54
Speaker 1: the wrong way. So I think this characterization that o
33:56
Speaker 1: J is just this super criminal, just this big, big
33:59
Speaker 1: person who thinks that he can get away with anything.
34:01
Speaker 1: You have two separate incidents, and because of the severity
34:04
Speaker 1: of the incidents and the hyper sensualization behind his celebrity,
34:08
Speaker 1: that that's making it seem a lot worse than it is,
34:10
Speaker 1: because if you take o J out of it and
34:12
Speaker 1: made this just John Doe in a regular situation, it
34:15
Speaker 1: wouldn't be viewed the same way. Okay, Well, let's just
34:17
Speaker 1: start with the actual facts. There were multiple domestic violence
34:21
Speaker 1: assaults on Nicole Brown by o J. Simpson, Okay, And
34:26
Speaker 1: then there were the double murder because you said he
34:29
Speaker 1: didn't have any other record, but you know he did.
34:32
Speaker 1: Then there were the claims he was acquitted on the
34:34
Speaker 1: double murder. Now there's this multiple victims of armed robbery.
34:41
Speaker 1: So to say he doesn't have the record, that that's
34:45
Speaker 1: just not true. Well, no, the statement is when people
34:47
Speaker 1: say that, oh, because o J was acquitted, I knew
34:50
Speaker 1: that he was gonna go out and do these things.
34:52
Speaker 1: You have a situation where he was trying to take
34:54
Speaker 1: back property that was his own, and he went about
34:57
Speaker 1: it the true Why are you saying it was his property,
35:00
Speaker 1: that property belonged to the memorabilia seller, that there was
35:05
Speaker 1: a dispute about it, because you heard the judge even
35:08
Speaker 1: referred to it as you believe that you were going
35:09
Speaker 1: to get your property. He may have been incorrect. He
35:12
Speaker 1: may have been incorrect on that, and he served times.
35:14
Speaker 1: And what that means is it's not true. Well that
35:16
Speaker 1: that means it's not and that's why he and that's
35:18
Speaker 1: why he served time for it. Nancy. I'm just talking
35:20
Speaker 1: about the characterization that once he was found not guilty
35:23
Speaker 1: in that, everybody gonna say, Oh, I knew O J
35:27
Speaker 1: was gonna do something. I just knew he was this big,
35:30
Speaker 1: big bad person. There's no further allegations of domestic violence
35:33
Speaker 1: against him in that time, so that that's the only
35:35
Speaker 1: thing I really have you heard the name? Have you
35:38
Speaker 1: heard the name Christie Prody? Do you remember the girlfriend
35:42
Speaker 1: that he beat to a pull? I remember? Is that
35:45
Speaker 1: name ringing a bell to you? I've heard I've heard
35:48
Speaker 1: as far as once again we have allegations if Mr
35:51
Speaker 1: Simpson and once again with the sen sessionalization behind his name,
35:54
Speaker 1: we know as as everyone on him said, he's scating
35:57
Speaker 1: on thin ice. So if he did these things, I
35:59
Speaker 1: am very sure that prosecutors would have jumped on these matters,
36:02
Speaker 1: define him accountable for these matters and all of these things. Well, sadly,
36:07
Speaker 1: isn't it true, Dr Bethany Marshall that you typically have
36:12
Speaker 1: to have the victim go along with the prosecution, absolutely,
36:17
Speaker 1: and the victim has to be willing to side with
36:20
Speaker 1: the prosecution. And in order to do that, they have
36:23
Speaker 1: to put aside all kinds of feelings, fear of retribution,
36:27
Speaker 1: fear of getting the perpetrator in trouble, fear that the
36:30
Speaker 1: perpetrator's family will be mad at them, the fear that
36:33
Speaker 1: they will be aggressed against again. You know, I disagree
36:37
Speaker 1: with your last guest. Um O. J's criminality is evident
36:42
Speaker 1: in every aspect of his life, even right now as
36:44
Speaker 1: you're saying, ordering the extra cold martini with three olives.
36:48
Speaker 1: He carries a breathalyzer with him so that if he
36:52
Speaker 1: gets a drug or alcohol tested, he won't test positive.
36:56
Speaker 1: He goes up against the line, as Wendy said, in
37:00
Speaker 1: every area of his life. He just comes up to
37:02
Speaker 1: the line, or when he can get away with it,
37:05
Speaker 1: he crosses the line, and that includes beating women. And
37:09
Speaker 1: these women are terrified of him, and now we know why.
37:12
Speaker 1: Look at what happened to Nicole. Well, what do you
37:14
Speaker 1: make of Simpson's girlfriend, Christie Prody, his ex girlfriend, who
37:19
Speaker 1: says that he was obsessed with Nicole Brown, talked about
37:22
Speaker 1: her every day and even make Christine dye her hair blonde,
37:26
Speaker 1: specifically so she would look like his dead ex wife
37:30
Speaker 1: Nicole Brown to meet. That's very clear o j ultimately
37:35
Speaker 1: triumphed over Nicole. He had the ultimate power over her.
37:39
Speaker 1: He put her six ft under. He didn't just beat
37:42
Speaker 1: her to a pulp. He slashed her throat. That's the
37:45
Speaker 1: ultimate glory for a sociopath. That those are the glory days.
37:49
Speaker 1: That's why he gives the interview. That's why he tries
37:51
Speaker 1: to recreate it. That's why he's obsessed with Ron Goldman,
37:55
Speaker 1: because it's not just trying to keep the money from
37:59
Speaker 1: the family. It's not just punishing the family for trying
38:03
Speaker 1: to seek justice. It's a part of the original obsession
38:07
Speaker 1: that led him to stock Nicole. She's the object of
38:11
Speaker 1: his fantasy. She's the one he wants to triumph Overard.
38:15
Speaker 1: She's the one that he feels got away even though
38:18
Speaker 1: he killed her, so so nothing's going to live up
38:21
Speaker 1: to that in his life. Those were the glory days, Nancy.
38:24
Speaker 1: He keeps going back to that. This marks the first
38:27
Speaker 1: year O. J. Simpson is free walking amongst us. Nancy
38:31
Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.