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RRR W/ Rob - Famous People & The JFK Assassination · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, pull up a chair.
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  Speaker 2: Rob's got a question to share. Started with a light
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  Speaker 2: red rod and an old note in the margin thin.
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  Speaker 2: Then a side road turned to three more roads and
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  Speaker 2: here we go again. A photograph, a witness, a date
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't quite align. One small fact becomes a winding
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  Speaker 2: track by a quarter after nine. Random research, ramblings with
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  Speaker 2: a rock.
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  Speaker 1: Take the long way.
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  Speaker 2: And hold back from odd little facts to the big
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  Speaker 2: what ifs we'll follow every tangent till the evidence slips
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  Speaker 2: random research ramblings with rob bring your questions bring your
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  Speaker 2: curious thoughts Was it the grassy knoll or a file misfiled?
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  Speaker 2: Rob's got a theory but he's checking the miles No
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  Speaker 2: final answers, just a notebook and a grin Tooling for
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  Speaker 2: the question And the rabbit hole within Random research ramblings
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  Speaker 2: with Rob Where the side note is where we begin.
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  Speaker 3: What's up everybody welcome in for another exciting edition of
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  Speaker 3: random research ramblings with rob aka big bad bobby what's
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  Speaker 3: up everybody got kind of a different show for you
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  Speaker 3: here today and i would like to start it off
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  Speaker 3: by thanking my buddy big mike aka alpha 66 for
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  Speaker 3: hipping me uh to something kind of interesting kind of
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  Speaker 3: off the wall kind of a little crazy But we'll
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  Speaker 3: get there. I promise. I promise we'll get there. I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk a little bit today about synchronicities in
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  Speaker 3: the JFK assassination. Because there are a lot of them.
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  Speaker 3: And some of the more interesting ones I'm sure people
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  Speaker 3: know about. But there are a lot of them. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of folks don't know about. And it more has
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  Speaker 3: to do with famous people. Who kind of have. Some
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  Speaker 3: kind of attachment or connection. Whether it be directly or tangentially.
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  Speaker 3: To the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: What I want to show you first. Is something that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of folks have seen, but it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of cool. It's kind of cool. Let me blow
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  Speaker 3: this up. Let me share my screen with you. Not yet. Dummy,
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  Speaker 3: you got to do that first. Okay. So I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: everybody out there has seen this photograph before. It's an
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  Speaker 3: image of a young Bill Clinton. meeting... JFK. Very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So future president meets current president. It's amazing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and it's little things like this... that make you wonder...
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  Speaker 3: if the world... or the universe... knows something that we don't.
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  Speaker 3: It's not so big now, but I remember a time
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  Speaker 3: when there was a big thing. It was called, you know,
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  Speaker 3: six degrees of separation. Meaning that basically any two people
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  Speaker 3: on earth are six or fewer acquaintances away from each other,
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  Speaker 3: from knowing each other. Meaning that if you take somebody
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  Speaker 3: like me, Big Bad Bob, and say the president now,
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, who knows? But that somehow I know somebody
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  Speaker 3: who knows somebody Who knows somebody who knows Donald Trump. Personally.
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  Speaker 3: Which is odd. Because I don't know Donald Trump. But
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  Speaker 3: that is the law of separation. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people put it to the test throughout the years.
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  Speaker 1: And....
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's somewhat... Whether you work it from the front.
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  Speaker 3: To the back or the back to the front. Somehow
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  Speaker 3: it works. But we'll get into more of the six
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  Speaker 3: degrees of separation or the six degrees of Kevin Bacon
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  Speaker 3: as it relates to the JFK story. Oh, yeah, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, Kevin Bacon was in the movie JFK. Synchronicity, folks.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That is what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 3: the first one I want to show you here is
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  Speaker 3: pretty interesting. Pretty, pretty interesting. All right, let me share
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  Speaker 3: with you again. Now, the first one up here is
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  Speaker 3: a very famous actor who has passed away before his time,
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  Speaker 3: I might add. But in 1963, he was a very
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  Speaker 3: young man. He was born in Fort Worth, Texas. At
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  Speaker 3: the time, on the morning of the assassination, November 22, 1963,
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  Speaker 3: President Kennedy would be giving his last public speech.
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  Speaker 1: Ever.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, at that time, he didn't know it yet.
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  Speaker 3: But in the crowd, in Fort Worth, the morning of
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  Speaker 3: November 22, 1963, like I said, was a very young man.
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  Speaker 3: By the name of William Paxton, a.k.a. Bill Paxton. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: you've heard of him. Probably most famous for his role
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  Speaker 3: in Twister, the movie. But he was also in one
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  Speaker 3: of my favorite 80s movies growing up, Weird Science, with
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  Speaker 3: Robert Downey Jr. and Anthony Michael Hall. And, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Kelly LeBrock. Hang on, Big Bob. He's got to fan
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  Speaker 3: himself over that one. Yeah. Just saying. Hot. Great movie too,
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  Speaker 3: by the way. I probably watched it 50 times on beta.
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  Speaker 3: On Betamax. Back in the day. He actually later co-produced
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  Speaker 3: the film Parkland as well. Maybe you've heard of it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he was a very famous person.
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  Speaker 1: And let's see.
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  Speaker 3: This is it here, folks. This is JFK, the morning
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  Speaker 3: of November 22nd, 1963 in Fort Worth, Texas, outside the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: And in this circle.
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  Speaker 3: Right here, is a young Bill Paxton up on his
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  Speaker 3: father's shoulders. And it looks like JFK is looking right
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  Speaker 3: at him. And here is a zoomed in shot, a
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  Speaker 3: more zoomed in shot for you guys, of this Bill Paxton,
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  Speaker 3: age 8, on November 22, 1963. A lot of happy
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  Speaker 3: young ladies. In the crowd. Cooing and moaning. Over President Kennedy.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah. Little Bill. Little Bill Paxton. Up there. So
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  Speaker 3: very cool man. You know. To see some of these folks.
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  Speaker 3: That have some kind of a connection to JFK. And
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  Speaker 3: maybe you knew it, maybe you didn't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Then let's move to a singer. And another actor, actually.
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  Speaker 3: By the name of Michael, or I'm sorry, Marvin Lee Aday.
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  Speaker 3: Marvin Lee Aday.
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  Speaker 6: Aday.
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  Speaker 3: Born in Dallas, Texas in 1947. Has an odd story.
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  Speaker 3: He was 16 years old on November 22nd, 1963. And
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  Speaker 3: that morning Meatloaf, a.k.a. Marvin Aday, that's right, the singer Meatloaf.
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  Speaker 3: That morning Meatloaf had seen the president when he arrived
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  Speaker 3: at Love Field. And after hearing of Kennedy's death or shooting,
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  Speaker 3: I should say, he and a friend drove to Parkland
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  Speaker 3: Hospital where he witnessed Jackie Kennedy covered in her husband's
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  Speaker 3: blood getting out of the car that brought her to
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  Speaker 3: the hospital. Interesting. Now there has been a photo allegedly
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  Speaker 3: allegedly of meatloaf at parkland but to me the little
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  Speaker 3: fella in this photo appears just a little too young
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  Speaker 3: to be 16 all right this is the photo i
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  Speaker 3: mean just a young pudgy kid but uh Again, Meatloaf
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  Speaker 3: would have been 16 at the time, and he was driving.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't with his parents. He looks like probably an
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  Speaker 3: 11 or 12-year-old kid there with his little sister and
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  Speaker 3: his dad. So I'm going to say this is not Meatloaf.
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  Speaker 3: But this is Meatloaf in his high school yearbook. So
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  Speaker 3: this is about what he would have looked like in 1963.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, meatloaf. Don't let your meatloaf.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 3: Now, there is other stories about meatloaf and the JFK assassination.
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  Speaker 3: And according to his book that he wrote, I guess
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  Speaker 3: it was an autobiography, He actually wrote that on the
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  Speaker 3: day of Kennedy's assassination, a frenzied Secret Service agent hijacked
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  Speaker 3: the singer's car in a rush to get to Parkland.
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  Speaker 3: Meatloaf gave conflicting accounts of his whereabouts on November 22, 1963,
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  Speaker 3: but he was at Parkland Memorial Hospital at the time
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  Speaker 3: of the president's death. So it's kind of unclear how
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  Speaker 3: or why he got to Parkland, but He was at Parkland.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the only place that there would have been
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  Speaker 3: other Secret Service agents clamoring to get to Parkland would
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  Speaker 3: have been at Love Field once they heard of the
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  Speaker 3: president's shooting. So maybe Meatloaf gave him a ride?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But it's damn sure interesting to think about. Damn sure.
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  Speaker 3: Now this next one is a little crazy. Crazy, crazy,
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  Speaker 3: cuckoo crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, I remember this guy from one of my
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  Speaker 3: most favorite movies of all time, folks. Actually, he's from
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  Speaker 3: a couple of my most favorite movies of all time,
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  Speaker 3: but I first saw him in probably one of my
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  Speaker 3: most favorite, uh, movies of all time. And his name
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  Speaker 3: is William Hootkins. Okay. William Hootkins. And William Hootkins is
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  Speaker 3: interesting for a couple reasons. He was born in Dallas,
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  Speaker 3: Texas in 1948 and he attended St. Mark's School of Texas. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the name of that school might sound familiar to folks
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  Speaker 3: out there because Ruth Payne allegedly taught summer language courses
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  Speaker 3: there in Russian. Allegedly. No, I'm kidding. She did. And
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  Speaker 3: she actually did in the summer of 63, which is
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  Speaker 3: where William Hootkins comes into the story So, Ruth Payne
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  Speaker 3: was paid, I think it was $ 125 for a multi-week
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  Speaker 3: course in the summer at St. Mark's to teach Russian
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  Speaker 3: to a couple of students. I think they said there
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  Speaker 3: was only two or three students in there over the summer.
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  Speaker 3: But once this summer language course was over, He proceeded
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  Speaker 3: to take private lessons from Ruth Payne at her house
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  Speaker 3: in the fall of 1963. Okay? Yeah, we're getting into
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  Speaker 3: some interesting timing here, folks. So, first of all, let's
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  Speaker 3: take a look at who Mr. Hootkins is. Let's see here. Well,
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  Speaker 3: let's start here. Because I think the name of this
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  Speaker 3: is kind of interesting in a weird way. But I'd
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  Speaker 3: like to see what you guys think. So this is
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  Speaker 3: the St. Mark's yearbook from 1963. They were called the
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  Speaker 3: Marksmen of all High school mascot names. And I get it.
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  Speaker 5: St.
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  Speaker 3: Mark's. The Marksman. Still, it's kind of odd considering we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the JFK assassination here. And, of course, allegedly,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Lee Harvey Oswald being a Marksman shooting. This
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  Speaker 3: is a photo of a young William Hootkins.
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  Speaker 1: Acting.
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  Speaker 3: In his school's drama class, they used to put on
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  Speaker 3: a lot of plays and stuff. And St. Mark's is
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  Speaker 3: still around in Dallas. They do have an alumni section
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  Speaker 3: going back to 65. And there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: in there about the plays that were put on.
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  Speaker 5: Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Hootkins even, there's a video over on the St. Mark's
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  Speaker 3: page about, and I'll link some of this stuff up
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  Speaker 3: if I can in the description. There's a video over
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  Speaker 3: on the St. Mark's page where William Hootkins actually went
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  Speaker 3: back and visited St. Mark's at some point in his career,
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  Speaker 3: looks like the 90s. But, you know, just by looking
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  Speaker 3: at this picture, you're probably still not guessing who this
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  Speaker 3: guy is. Well, let me help a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So up here in the top left corner, this is
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  Speaker 3: William Hootkins right here in the middle. But in the
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  Speaker 3: top left corner, he is Porkins. Jack Porkins from the
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  Speaker 3: movie Star Wars 1977. Maybe you've heard of it. hmm
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  Speaker 3: maybe right below here Racha is a still frame from
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  Speaker 3: him in the movies Raiders of the Lost Ark maybe
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  Speaker 3: you saw him in that another one of my favorite
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  Speaker 3: movies from childhood below that you have him pictured in
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  Speaker 3: the movie Batman the original Tim Burton Batman he played
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  Speaker 3: a police lieutenant had some scenes with one of his
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  Speaker 3: childhood heroes, actually, Jack Nicholson. He was the voice of
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  Speaker 3: something in the never-ending story. I don't know what that
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  Speaker 3: creature is. Right here on the bottom right, he played
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  Speaker 3: a scientist in the movie Flash Gordon. Flash!
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  Speaker 4: Ah!
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, whenever I hear Flash Gordon, I gotta do that.
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  Speaker 3: That Queen song is awesome from the soundtrack. He was
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  Speaker 3: in a bunch of other, I won't say great, but
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  Speaker 3: memorable movies throughout his life. And I'll just give you
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  Speaker 3: the name of some of the other ones. Now, he
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  Speaker 3: started off, after leaving St. Mark's, he went to Princeton University.
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  Speaker 3: And he was studying astrophysics and what else was it?
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  Speaker 3: Mandarin Chinese. He transferred to Oriental Studies where he became
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  Speaker 3: fluent in Mandarin Chinese. So in high school, he's learning Russian.
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  Speaker 3: In college, he's learning Chinese. But he was also in
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  Speaker 3: the theater there at Princeton.
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  Speaker 1: And....
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  Speaker 3: His buddy, maybe you've heard of his friend, John Lithgow. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Told him that if he was serious about trying to
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  Speaker 3: act or be an actor, that he needed to go
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  Speaker 3: to London and study. So... He went to the London
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  Speaker 3: Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, also known as Lambda.
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  Speaker 3: And he actually lived in London from the early 70s
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  Speaker 3: until 2002 when he moved back to Los Angeles. Let's see.
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  Speaker 3: He was Lieutenant Eckhart in Batman. He was in the
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  Speaker 3: films uh, color me Kubrick. He played a young Winston Churchill. Um,
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  Speaker 3: he was also a voice actor, uh, doing a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. He was even in crash bandicoot three is
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  Speaker 3: dingo dial. I don't remember that character. Um, He was
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of stage plays.
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  Speaker 7: A lot.
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  Speaker 3: He was even opposite Dame Helen Mirren in a production
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  Speaker 3: of Orpheus Descending. So he's been in a lot of stuff, man.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He was in.
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  Speaker 3: Two of the Peter... Peter Weller Pink Panther movies in
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  Speaker 3: the early 80s. The Trail of the Pink Panther and
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  Speaker 3: The Curse of the Pink Panther. In both movies he
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  Speaker 3: played a taxi driver. He was also in Superman 4,
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  Speaker 3: The Quest for Peace. He was in The Pope Must Die.
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  Speaker 3: Hear My Song. A River Runs Through It. Maybe you've
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  Speaker 3: heard of that Robert Redford movie. Let's see. He was
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  Speaker 3: in The Island of Dr. Moreau with Marlon Brando and
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  Speaker 3: Val Kilmer. All kinds of stuff. Color Me Kubrick was
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  Speaker 3: his final film role in 2005. He passed away at
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  Speaker 3: the age of 57 from pancreatic cancer. He was on
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  Speaker 3: a lot of TV shows over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Um....
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  Speaker 3: He was even a voice actor in Evil Dead, A
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  Speaker 3: Fistful of Boomstick video game. That's Professor Alex Aldridge. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you might be saying, okay, Rob, get to the goddamn point.
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  Speaker 3: Who is this guy? Well, here's where things get interesting, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. The following investigation was conducted by a Bardwell Odom
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  Speaker 3: FBI agent in Irving on December 16, 1963, in an
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  Speaker 3: effort to identify a 14-year-old boy, allegedly, present with Oswald
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  Speaker 3: on one occasion at Clifford's Barbershop in Irving, Texas. Cliff Shasteen,
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  Speaker 3: the operator of Clifford's Barbershop, At that address advised that
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  Speaker 3: he's not been able to identify the boy who was
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  Speaker 3: in the shop on one occasion about two months ago
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  Speaker 3: with Lee Harvey Oswald. He stated that as he recalls,
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  Speaker 3: this boy and Oswald were in the shop on a
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday or Thursday, at which time Oswald had his hair
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  Speaker 3: cut by Bert Glover Glover on a later date, probably
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  Speaker 3: the next Monday or Tuesday cut the hair of the boy.
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  Speaker 3: And at this time, Oswald was not in the shop
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  Speaker 3: with him, but someone else had brought the boy to
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  Speaker 3: the shop and waited outside in a car. On this occasion,
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  Speaker 3: Shasteen recalls that someone was complaining about high taxes and
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  Speaker 3: the unidentified boy said that there would be no peace
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  Speaker 3: until all people had the same amount of possessions and
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  Speaker 3: that most of our trouble now was caused because the
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  Speaker 3: poor people had so little and the rich so much.
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  Speaker 3: This boy indicated that peace would come when all people
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  Speaker 3: had the same amount of wealth. Now does this sound
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  Speaker 3: like socialism or communism to you folks? So this is
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  Speaker 3: the same boy that accompanied Oswald to the barbershop. Only
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  Speaker 3: this time he's by himself. Maybe after a Russian lesson
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  Speaker 3: from Ruth Payne, his mom or dad decided that he
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  Speaker 3: needed a haircut. And this young fella said, I know
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  Speaker 3: where there's a barber shop. Just at one the other day. Interesting. Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Because the boy didn't live in Irving. Remember, so it's odd. Chastain,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, stated that he has not seen this boy
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  Speaker 3: since this time and has not been able to determine
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  Speaker 3: who he is. So you would think a teenage boy, right,
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  Speaker 3: normally goes to the same barber over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: And normally it is someone close to where they live
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  Speaker 3: or at least in the same town. So either Burt
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  Speaker 3: Glover fucked this kid's head up so bad he never
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  Speaker 3: went back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Or maybe something happened where he didn't need a haircut
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  Speaker 3: anymore at some times that he came to Irving possibly
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  Speaker 3: to study Russian at Ruth Payne's house. Just saying. Burt
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  Speaker 3: Glover recalls cutting this boy's hair but has not been
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  Speaker 3: able to identify him in the neighborhood and does not
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  Speaker 3: know where he lives. He stated that if he determines
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  Speaker 3: the identity of this boy, he will immediately notify the
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  Speaker 3: Dallas police or the Dallas office of the FBI. Ruth
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  Speaker 3: Payne advised that she has no child even as old
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  Speaker 3: as school age and knows of no boy about 14
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  Speaker 3: with whom Oswald was ever associated in the neighborhood. She
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  Speaker 3: further repeated that she had never allowed Oswald to take
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  Speaker 3: her car by himself anywhere. And this is Commission Exhibit 2209-er, folks.
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  Speaker 1: 2209-er.
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  Speaker 3: So let's take a look here. An FBI doc from
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  Speaker 3: March 26, 1964, a Mrs. Jean Evans, secretary to the
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  Speaker 3: headmaster here, at St. Mark's School of Dallas, Texas, advised
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  Speaker 3: that Mrs. Ruth Payne was employed by St. Mark's School
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  Speaker 3: from June 10, 1963 to July 26, 1963 as a
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  Speaker 3: part-time teacher of the Russian language. Evans stated that Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: Payne was paid a total of $ 125 for this seven-week
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  Speaker 3: summer session. This salary was based upon the number of
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  Speaker 3: pupils that she taught, who Mrs. Evans believed to be
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  Speaker 3: numbered only two or three students.
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  Speaker 1: Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: Evans further stated that Mrs. Payne was only hired as
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  Speaker 3: a summer substitute and that they have a regular teacher
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  Speaker 3: of Russian during the regular school year. Evans further advised that...
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  Speaker 3: it is her understanding that Mrs. Payne tutors at least
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  Speaker 3: one student from St. Mark's in the Russian language, giving
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  Speaker 3: him extra assistance on Saturday using the St. Mark's school facilities.
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  Speaker 5: Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: Evans advised that this one student is Bill Hootkins, the
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: son of Seymour Hootkins of Dallas, who pays Mrs. Payne
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: directly for the tutoring, and she is unaware of the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: amount Mrs. Payne received for the tutoring in the Russian language.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: And oh, look at the agent who took this report.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe you've heard of him. James P. Hoste. Hoste. So,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Let's go talk to Mrs. Seymour Hootkins. Advised that her
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: son Bill, aged 15 now and 64, possibly 14 and 63,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: in Dallas, or he attended St. Mark's School in Dallas
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: during the summer term of 63 for the purpose of
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: studying the Russian language. She stated Mrs. Ruth Payne was
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: his instructor for this course and following the summertime, he
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: has continued lessons under her tutelage on a private basis.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Hootkins advised each Saturday afternoon Mrs. Payne picks her son
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: up and takes him to St. Mark's School, where teaching
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: facilities are readily available. She stated that she does not
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: consider herself a personal friend of Ruth Payne, as her
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: association with her has been strictly on the basis of
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: her son studying Russian with her. She pointed out that
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: she has no reason to question her loyalty to the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: United States and considers her an intelligent person of excellent
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: character and high moral standards. And never heard of this
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: FBI agent. McMenamin.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: McMenamin.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: McMenamin. So, was Bill Hootkins the kid with Oswald at
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the barbershop? Again, why would these guys at the barbershop
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: lie about a 14-year-old kid accompanying Oswald to the barbershop?
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: And then the same kid coming back the next week
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to get his hair cut and talking a whole bunch
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: of socialism, communism, horse shit. And the reason that they
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: remembered it Is because one of the rules of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: barbershop is no political talk. Right? Because it's polarizing. And
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: causes arguments.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: You know, they kind of let the kid say what
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: he had to say and... Moved on quickly from it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Didn't ban him or anything or kick him out. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: he never came back.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: So.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: We know that Oswald spent some weekends at the Payne
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: residence in the fall of 1963. Could it be, for
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: some reason or somehow, that Oswald met this kid and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: they got along okay because, you know, the kid wanted
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: to learn Russian. And while Ruth Payne is okay at it,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you know, she wasn't the best. I don't even know
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: what she's doing tutoring Russian. But here you have a
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: guy who spent three years in Russia who was a
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: lot more familiar with the language than Ruth Payne. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: he'd actually lived there. So if this kid, presumably Bill Hootkin's,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Wanted to know more about the Russian language and Russian
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: life and communism and socialism. Because you generally don't want
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: to learn Russian unless you're interested in Russia and enamored
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: with the country or the culture or something. So, it
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: does make sense that these two cross paths somewhere along
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the way. and we're maybe walking around one day. I
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: was always like, Hey man, I need a haircut. Hey,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: can I come with you? Sure.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Come on, kid. We can talk on the way and
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever. It's just so crazy, man. Bizarre, man. Uh,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: it's so bizarre that, uh, Oops, sorry. It's just, it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: crazy that this kid would go on to be not really,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: you know, a super famous actor, but, you know, an
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: actor in a lot of big name movies with big
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: name stars doing big name things.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting. But he's not the only famous person that
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: went to St.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Mark's.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe you've heard of one of his classmates from St. Mark's.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Can't make this shit up, folks. Let's see here. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: believe this is the one we're looking for. Bear with me.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Bear with me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: So, maybe you've heard of one of his classmates, a
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: fellow drama club student at St. Mark's, by the name
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of Tommy Lee Jones. Tom Jones. Tommy Lee Jones. Famous actor.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Famous actor. Famous, famous actor. Now, what's interesting, and this
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: is a shot from Marksman yearbook, So what's interesting about
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: this is, of course, we all know that Tommy Lee
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Jones would go on to play, yes, that's right, Clay
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Shaw in the movie JFK and star alongside Kevin Bacon.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: A lot of six degrees of Kevin Bacon going on
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: in this episode. Synchronicity, folks. Synchronicity. So William Hookins went
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to high school with Tommy Lee Jones, who would again
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: start his career in the theater and move on up
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: to starring roles in movies. Ironically, a role in JFK.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: But that's not all with old Tommy Lee Jones. So
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: check this out. Synchronicity people. So before Tommy Lee Jones
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: went to St. Mark's, he was living in Midland, Texas
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and going to Robert E. Lee High School. That's right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Robert E. Lee High School part of Oswald's namesake his
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: brother Robert Lee Oswald named after his father Robert Lee
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Oswald and again if you look into Robert E. Lee's
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: family tree it does trickle down to Lee Harvey Oswald
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: at some point. They are related by blood. Of course,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: it is a branch, a tree of many branches, if
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: you will, coming out of how Lee Harvey Oswald is
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: actually related to Robert E. Lee. Let's see here. But
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: it's not too far off. So General Robert E. Lee
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: is a distant cousin, a fifth cousin, five times removed.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: still within the sphere of six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: The two are connected through the Carter family lineage, sharing
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: a common ancestor named John Carter. Goddamn, where have we
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: heard that name before? In the Kennedy assassination. Oh, that's right,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: he was staying at the Beckley Street rooming house. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: wonder if they're related, too.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: This distant familial connection is the reason Lee Harvey Oswald's
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: father was named Robert Edward Lee Oswald Sr., which subsequently
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: influenced Lee Harvey Oswald's own middle and first names. So,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I told you they're related in some kind of weird way.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And we have Tommy Lee Jones going to Robert E.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Lee High School. probably who 61 something like that and
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: while at Robert E Lee high.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: School let's see here yes okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: This is the 1962, so he was there in 62,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the Robert E. Lee High School, Midland, Texas. The Rebellee,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the 1962 Rebellee. This is the yearbook. And guess who
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: else was attending Robert E. Lee High School in Midland,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Texas in 1962? Laura Welch, who you might recognize. as
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: future First Lady Laura Bush, the wife of George W. Bush. Again,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: you can't make this shit up, folks. You can't. You can't.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: It's just, it's so wild, man. uh, the synchronicity and
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: connections between all of these folks. Um, let's see. I'm
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: just making sure where we are here. Okay. So Tommy
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Lee Jones, back to him for a second. Remember, Hootkins, uh,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: went to Princeton, well, Tommy Lee Jones would go on
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: to Harvard. He majored in English literature and was a
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: pupil of the dramatist Robert Chapman. He graduated in 1969,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Bachelor of Arts degree, cum laude, or cum laude. He
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: was also a big football player. as was Hootkins, while
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: at St. Mark's and at Harvard. Again, Ivy League schools.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Their careers are kind of on the same path. They
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: go from St. Mark's to different Ivy League schools to
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: acting in plays. Let's see. He went to Harvard With
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: somebody else you may have heard of. Vice President. To
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton. Who had met JFK. Al Gore. They were buddies.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: While they were at Harvard. Possibly even roommates. I think
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: they were roommates. Actually. Interesting.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Interesting.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: of course, he is still alive.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Mr.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Tommy Lee Jones, 80 years old now. And back to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Hootkins for a second. Remember I told you that he
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: lived in London up until 2002. And he got married
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the same year that he died, in 2005, to... Let me.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Get this right.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Whew. Carolyn Robb. Carolyn Robb. So, who is Carolyn Robb? Well,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: she was a royal chef for Prince Charles and Diana.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: At the time, of course, Diana was killed. Not that
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: there's anything sinister there, it's just.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Odd.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, that that Porkins from Star Wars would marry a
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: royal chef. But no, he was a very... He was
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a very renowned guy. A very educated man, linguist. So
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: it's not odd that he would meet somebody of that caliber.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: And by the looks of him, he loved to eat.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Like your boy, Big Bad Bob. And who better than
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: to cook for you than the royal fucking chef? Okay?
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, food can't get no better than that. I'm guessing. Oh, lordy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Alright.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So that is just some of the wild, weird, wackiness...
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: of some famous people that have some kind of connection
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: tangentially or direct to the JFK assassination and their connections
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: and their synchronicities. It's just wild. I mean, I'm sure
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: you can take a lot of different events out of
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: history and do this, but it's wild. Wild. And there
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: is another story, actually. There's another story about Meatloaf that
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: is kind of interesting. Also, from his autobiography, To Hell
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and Back, he relays a story where he picked up
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: a hitchhiking Charles Manson on Sunset Boulevard in 1968. Of course,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: before Meatloaf was anybody and before Manson, of course, the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: next year, 69, would be the horrible, horrific crimes of
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the Manson family. But of course, at the time, he
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: didn't think anything of it. He was just giving a
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: guy a ride. So he picks this guy up and
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: he says, you know, where are you going? And Manson
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: struck up a conversation in the car with him and
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: asked Meatloaf if he wanted to meet a beach boy,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: promising that he could introduce him to drummer Dennis Wilson.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: So he drove Manson across town directly to Dennis Wilson's home.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Dennis Wilson was not home, and Manson became deflated and
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: started rambling about apocalyptic visions, predicting the end of the
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: world and telling Meatloaf that he had been a, quote,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: rabbit in another life. Meatloaf then dropped off the strange
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: passenger and thought nothing more of it. writing him off
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: as a typical California eccentric. It was only a year later,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: in 1969, that he recognized the man's face following the
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Tate-LaBianca murders after he was arrested. Again, is Meatloaf full
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: of shit? I don't know. But Manson did know Dennis Wilson.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: And in 1968, Wilson picked up two female hitchhikers who
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: belonged to the Manson family. This chance encounter allowed Manson
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: and his cult followers to effectively move in to Wilson's
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Pacific Palisades home for several months, running up massive bills
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: and attempting to break into the music industry.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: So.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting. Charles Manson actually wrote a song called Cease
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: to Exist that they released on their 1969 album, 2020,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: under the title Never Learn Not to Love. Excuse me. So,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: if true, Meatloaf had a pretty crazy life. I mean,
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: he was there when Kennedy got off the plane at
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Dallas Love Field. He was at Parkland after hearing the
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: president got shot. And he managed to pick up Charles
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Manson in Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard prior to the Tate-LaBianca murders.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: So he has two chance encounters. in some of the
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: most impactful murders of the 20th century. Crazy. Crazy stuff.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Kooky.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Again, you can't make this stuff up, folks. Let's switch
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: gears here for a minute. Just for a minute. And
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about conference season coming up in Dallas.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Conference season is upon us. It's coming up. It'll be
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: here next month. I can't believe it's already October. Next
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: month is November. And one of the conferences has released
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: their speaking schedule So let's take a look at it
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: and see what's going on. See what's crack-a-lackin'. Okay. Let's
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: blow this bitch up so we can see here. So
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: this is not Lancer. It is the other one the
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: JFK Historical Society is putting on, a.k.a. the Judy Baker Conference,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: the Kooky Con. It's being held at the Doubletree by
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Hilton in Dallas Market Center, November 19th through the 22nd. So,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: on Thursday, they're kicking off the Cuckoo Conference appropriately with
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Tosh Plumlee. 90-some-year-old Tosh. I'm barely still alive. I'm still
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: full of shit, though. Tosh Plumlee in the breakout room.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I guess we're going to wheel him in there and
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: prop him up on stage and let him answer some
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: questions and tell a couple of stories. Okay. John O'Loughlin.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Never heard of him. And then we got lunch. David Denton.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: He of course is the head figure of the JFK
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: historical society. Uh, Not sure what he's going to talk about.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Met him in person in 2014 at the conference. Then
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: we have the publisher of Trine Day, the owner of
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Trine Day Books, Chris Milligan, who's actually a pretty cool dude,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: despite putting out a bunch of horseshit books. Then we
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: have Jeff Meek. And then we're going to take a break.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I need a 10 minute break. And then we have
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: JFK Facts. Chad Nagel. Not sure what he's going to
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: talk about. And then Ed, I'm an asshole. Tatro. I'm
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: sure we'll be speaking about LBJ being the mastermind of
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: the assassination. I'm sure of it. Then we got friend
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: of the show, Randy Benson. Producer of The Searchers, a
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: documentary on researchers of the Kennedy assassination. Chad Weaver. Couldn't
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: tell you who he is. Starting off Friday, Strong with
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Jess Cannell. That would be good. And then right after
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: her are her dear friends Robert and Janet Grodin. Dori Wiley.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Don't know who that is. Channa Willis, I believe is,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I think Phil Willis is the photographer's daughter. I don't know. Maybe.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Then we got Lunch. And then we got Ryan Jones.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Couldn't tell you who he is. Brian Edwards. No comment.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: No comment. No comment. Then the Covert Action Panel featuring
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: MC Matt Armstrong. Then we need a break. Gotta have
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: a break after all that. And then we have Mal Hyman.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Larry Schnauf. Also from JFK Facts. Also a lawyer. David
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Knight of the JFK Historical Society. Again, I'm not sure
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: what these folks will be talking about. Then Saturday, we
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: have Brian Edwards' little buddy, Casey Quinlan, Gary Fannin. Then
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: we need a break. And then they're giving us more
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Brian Edwards. Hmm. No comment. Then lunch, and then oh my,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: oh my God. We're getting Judith Baker, baby. Old Judy herself.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Dirty Dick Russell after that. Clint Barger after that. Ed
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Tatro again.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: God damn.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: There's too much Brian Edwards and too much Ed Tatro
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: and way too much of this one. Once is more
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: than enough. And then Oswald in the Doorway, JFK Horseman,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: progenitor of Horseshit Everywhere, Larry Rivera. And then a banquet
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: and a keynote presentation. And then from 9 to 11
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: on Sunday, it's to be announced in the breakout room.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: And then at 11 o'clock on Sunday, November 22nd, everybody's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: heading to Dealey Plaza where, thankfully, Beverly Oliver will not
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: be singing this year. And Judith Baker has bowed out
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: of the proceedings because her buddy, her partner in fraud,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Beverly Oliver, of course, passed away recently and won't be
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: there with her. So she is not going to be
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: taking part in the Dealey Plaza shenanigans at noon or 1230.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: So interesting. Subject to change. Again, while it's nice to
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: be asked or invited to speak at conferences, you must
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: be careful who you are associating yourself with at these conferences. Again,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: I've told you a lot of times, if you were
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: at a conference where Judith Very Baker is speaking, you
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: might be at the wrong conference. Just saying. So, keep
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: that in mind. Be careful who you cavort with in
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Dallas at some of these places. Moving right along to
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: another jabroni. I don't know who this guy thinks he is.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: He thinks he's hot shit. He's got a quarter of
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: a million followers on TikTok, right? Most of them stem
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: from a couple viral videos that he did that, you know,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: caught fire around the assassination a couple years ago. You know,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: a couple of these TikToks have over a million views, this, that,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and the other. And, if you get a million views
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: on a TikTok, chances are, if you're talking about a
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: subject that people are somewhat interested in, they're going to
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: follow you. Now, most of his videos get a thousand
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: or less views, which is not good. It's not a
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: good dichotomy, as we've discussed here about numbers before. If
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: you have a quarter of a million, that's 250,000 followers,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: and your videos are getting 1,000 or less views, I
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: would say that's called the lightning effect. Where lightning strikes once,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: and they hit the follow button, and then don't care
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: about anything else you do or say after that. But
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: that's just me. But this guy, he recently started posting
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: on Facebook. And he's kind of an asshole on Facebook.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Because people call him out for his knowledge and style
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: and facts. Like he knows anything. This guy was nobody.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: He's been nobody in any of the JFK research circles.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: He's one of these guys that just, he's a parrot.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: He just repeats bullshit facts and makes it sound mysterious
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: and interesting in the process. But there's a whole lot
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: of me, me, me, me, me with this guy. Let
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: me show you the video and I'll show you what
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: I mean. So, uh, all right, here we go. Here
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: we go.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Hold on. Here we go. Take two. Now we have audio.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: Allegedly. Hello, Patsies. We've got.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Alright, hold on a goddamn minute. So he's nicknamed his
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  Speaker 3: followers Patsies. How original is that? How original? And you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: can tell from my facial expressions during what he's saying
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  Speaker 3: how I feel about this guy. I'm sorry to stop
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  Speaker 3: it so early. I just had to point that out.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a cute little nickname for his followers. Hello, Patsies.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, Patsies.
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  Speaker 6: We've got a big fall coming up. Let me just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: tell you about some of the things that are happening.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: It'll be 63 years since November 22, 1963.
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  Speaker 6: I started this account in 2023 for the 60th anniversary,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: and it has just continued to grow and grow since then.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: I went to Dealey Plaza in December of 2024 to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: go to the museum and see all the sights, stand
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: on the grass, you know, myself.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Remember I told you there was a lot of I, I, I, me, me, me, we, we, we.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and look at this picture, this full, I'm
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: on the grass, you know. I'm on the grass, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: nobody's around me. I'm not even smiling. All right, let's continue.
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  Speaker 5: And on the grass, you know, myself. We're going to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: do that again this fall for the 63rd anniversary.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going back to Dallas, and I'm taking my wife
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: with me this time because she's just as interested in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: the case, and she knows a lot about it just
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: by sitting on the porch next to me.
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  Speaker 3: So you didn't take her last time. Now you're going
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: to take her this time because she sat on the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: porch next to you and heard you, you, jackass, talk
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: about the case.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So we're doing that for practically right on the 63rd anniversary.
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  Speaker 6: In addition, we'll be attending the Lancer Conference, which is
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: the longest standing JFK conference for critics and researchers of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: the Warren Report.
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  Speaker 5: So that's happening. It's the 30th anniversary of that.
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  Speaker 6: And then as soon as we get home from that,
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  Speaker 6: the new movie is released, November 1963, starring John Travolta.
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  Speaker 6: I'm super excited about this.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going.
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  Speaker 6: To be live shooting videos in Dallas again. We're going
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: to be live at the Lancer Conference talking to people there.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: We're going to go live on TikTok with... We're going
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: to do this. We're going to do that.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: It's just him. Just say I'm.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: One of the people behind the Lancer Conference, and we're
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: going to talk about all the things to look forward
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: to at that.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: We're going to have my friend.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: Matt Douthat on live again, no doubt about it. And then,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: when we get back from the Lancer Conference and Glee Plaza,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to go see the brand new movie because
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: it releases, guess what, November 20th.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think I'll be able to see it in
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: Dallas on the night it opens. I think I will.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: Wait until maybe even November 22nd, exactly on the date,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: to go see the new movie starring John Travolta. I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: am not getting paid to promote the new movie. I'm
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: just super excited to see it.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not getting paid to promote the new movie. Like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: anybody would pay you to promote the new movie, you jackhole, ego,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: big-headed mother effer. But I digress.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: Every time the case comes up, there's a new book
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: or there's a new film or documentary of some type,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: the interest in the JFK case takes off again. So
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: lots of new people Coming into the community, that's going
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: to be something to look forward to.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it will be. So you can get
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: some more followers that don't watch your content.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: All of that happens this fall. You need to be
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: right here for it on this channel.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Please like this channel. He's on TikTok. He has a
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: page on TikTok and thinks he has a channel. Okay.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: And share and follow, repost these videos if you know
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: someone who's all about this and would be super interested
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: in this, the greatest true crime unsolved mystery in United
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: States history.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll see you in a bit.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, Lord have mercy. This gafoozery is real, folks. Yes, Skip,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: you're a skafooza. Skafooza. While you may be able to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: bullshit your way through three minutes of a TikTok pre-recorded,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: I would love to see you carry a two-hour show
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: live by yourself. I would love to see it. But
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: you probably can't. So, I digress. Go F.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Yourself.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Allegedly. In the nicest way possible. Like the green hat
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I wear sometimes here on the show. Fuck off. Respectfully. Anyway,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that'll do it for me. Big Bad Bob. Thank you
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: for joining me for another exciting episode of Random Research
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Ramblings with Rob. I'll see you soon for a book review.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And then members only will be a couple days after that.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: So until then, it's your boy.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Peace.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Brand and Research Ramblings.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: We rock!
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Brand and Research Ramblings. We rock! JFK questions one by one.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Talk it out, the day ain't done. Brand and Research Ramblings. Ramblings,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: we rock! Brand and Research Ramblings.