Latest / This Week in Westchester: The Podcast / Westchester, Explained 32: Inside REV FEST 250 and the Battle of White Plains
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- 0:05SPEAKER_01: Hi Westchester.
- 0:07SPEAKER_01: I'm Westchester County Government Communications Director Catherine Chaffee.
- 0:11SPEAKER_01: And as an extension of This Week in Westchester, the podcast, we welcome you to Westchester Explained.
- 0:17SPEAKER_01: In this episode, we travel back 250 years to explore Westchester County's remarkable role in the American Revolution and how we're bringing that history to life as our nation celebrates its 250th anniversary, including a special sneak peek into our upcoming Red Fest 250, a massive two-day celebration at Ward Pound Ridge Reservation that will feature one of the largest reenactments of the Battle of White Plains ever attempted, with hundreds of historical reenactors, immersive encampments, live performances, and family-friendly activities.
- 0:54SPEAKER_01: Join us as we discover the history that unfolded right here in our own backyards, and how Westchester is bringing the past to life for a new generation, and why preserving and celebrating history matters to Westchester residents.
- 1:07SPEAKER_01: Because this is Westchester Explained.
- 1:10SPEAKER_01: So let's begin.
- 1:14SPEAKER_01: Today in the podcast studio, we're going back in time.
- 1:17SPEAKER_01: We're going back in time about, I don't know, 250 years.
- 1:21SPEAKER_01: We have two exciting guests with us today.
- 1:23SPEAKER_01: Why don't you introduce yourself?
- 1:24SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: I'm Constance Kehoe.
- 1:27SPEAKER_00: I am the president of Revolutionary Westchester 250.
- 1:31SPEAKER_00: You're right, 250 years ago.
- 1:34SPEAKER_00: And direct member.
- 1:36SPEAKER_00: I also serve on the New York State Commission.
- 1:40SPEAKER_00: So yes, we have.
- 1:42SPEAKER_00: We've been very busy with this 250th.
- 1:45SPEAKER_00: That's wonderful.
- 1:46SPEAKER_02: And you're a re returning guest.
- 1:49SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited.
- 1:50SPEAKER_02: Natasha Caputo, head of Tourism and Thumb for Westchester County.
- 1:54SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's start from the very beginning.
- 1:57SPEAKER_01: For those people who've, I don't know, been under a rock for the past two years.
- 2:00SPEAKER_01: What is Road 250?
- 2:03SPEAKER_00: Well, this is an organization, a nonprofit run by volunteers, including myself.
- 2:10SPEAKER_00: But we have a mission, and our mission is pretty simple to build awareness and enthusiasm for the history here.
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: So if you see national programs, you hear a lot about the revolution, you usually hear about Boston or you hear about Philadelphia.
- 2:27SPEAKER_00: But so much happened in Westchester, and Westchester included the present-day Bronx.
- 2:33SPEAKER_00: So think about that whole area and eight years of war.
- 2:37SPEAKER_00: And we wanted people to pay attention to it so that the next generation appreciates the history that happened right here.
- 2:44SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
- 2:45SPEAKER_01: And this has been a huge tourism event.
- 2:47SPEAKER_02: It really has.
- 2:48SPEAKER_02: I mean, working with RW250 in a really strong partnership, we've been able to build out calendar of events, which is on our visit WestchesterNY.com website.
- 2:59SPEAKER_02: And it's and it's let's pause for a second because it's not one event.
- 3:02SPEAKER_02: It's not even a month of events.
- 3:04SPEAKER_02: It's been years of events.
- 3:06SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
- 3:07SPEAKER_02: And um, and I really, you know, again, strengthening that partnership with RW250, reaching out, all of our historical societies, all of our historians throughout Westchester County, our arts and cultural have done programming around this, telling the story of Westchester's role.
- 3:25SPEAKER_02: Um, I keep saying Westchester, Connie, not the Bronx.
- 3:28SPEAKER_01: Um, role in the historic Westchester.
- 3:33SPEAKER_01: As a Bronx girl, we got to include them.
- 3:36SPEAKER_01: Okay.
- 3:37SPEAKER_01: So, okay, so talk to me a little bit about what uh what was happening here during the Revolutionary War that maybe people don't realize in Westchester and formerly Westchester, now the Bronx.
- 3:48SPEAKER_00: Well, the Declaration of Independence is what people pay attention to, right?
- 3:52SPEAKER_00: Comes July 4th, the whole thing.
- 3:55SPEAKER_00: And of course, this was important to Westchester because there was this particular copy of the revel of the Declaration, and the county owns it, and it existed for all these 250 years, and now it's on display at Purchase College, and that is a really important thing for people to see.
- 4:18SPEAKER_00: But that was the beginning of eight years of war.
- 4:21SPEAKER_00: So for people that think the Declaration was it, it would have been a nothing if we had not been victorious over the British.
- 4:30SPEAKER_00: So looking at that struggle where this ragtag army run with a great leader, George Washington, uh, against the British Navy, the biggest, wonderful, powerful Navy, um, that we could bring off a victory after eight years, is something that I think we need to have our next generation understand.
- 4:54SPEAKER_00: A lot of it happened right here.
- 4:56SPEAKER_00: New York was a center.
- 4:58SPEAKER_00: Control of the Hudson River was critical to both sides.
- 5:02SPEAKER_00: West Point, which isn't in Westchester, but that was in order to keep control uh for the ragtag army, the Hudson River, and also Long Island Sound, where the privateers and the smugglers, uh, the spies were plying that water.
- 5:22SPEAKER_00: So there we were in the middle, and it was called the neutral ground because neither side for many years actually controlled it.
- 5:30SPEAKER_00: So your farm, somebody comes, a marauding gang, they burn it down, they say, Are you a loyalist?
- 5:39SPEAKER_00: Are you a patriot?
- 5:40SPEAKER_00: You'll say whatever you need to say because to survive.
- 5:45SPEAKER_02: Wow.
- 5:45SPEAKER_02: And there were many spots.
- 5:47SPEAKER_02: Um, and Connie did on for Red Fast 250, uh, for revolutionary Westchester 250 to had created kind of a timeline of all of our spots in our American Revolution.
- 6:00SPEAKER_02: What are some of the spots?
- 6:00SPEAKER_02: See?
- 6:01SPEAKER_00: I mean, Connie, I think you should places there there are places and there are dates that people can pay attention to across Westchester.
- 6:11SPEAKER_00: Um what are some of the best places?
- 6:13SPEAKER_01: Well, I we might not even realize that we pass everyone.
- 6:16SPEAKER_00: I think that is a great question.
- 6:18SPEAKER_00: I happen to love standing at the top of Chatterton Hill.
- 6:22SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's in the middle of White Plains, and the and you know, anybody, it's a little park.
- 6:29SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you can imagine standing there and having three waves of the British come charging up this hill with the Continental Army militia facing them, and they only had time to put some corn stocks in front of them.
- 6:46SPEAKER_00: So they didn't have a wall to stand behind.
- 6:48SPEAKER_00: And it happened right here in White Plains.
- 6:50SPEAKER_00: And it happened right here in White Plains.
- 6:52SPEAKER_00: Wow.
- 6:52SPEAKER_00: And that's something that will happen at Rebfest 250.
- 6:55SPEAKER_00: Which we're gonna talk about it.
- 6:56SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope so.
- 6:58SPEAKER_01: Yes.
- 6:58SPEAKER_01: So, okay, so you're talking, well, let's let's let's focus.
- 7:01SPEAKER_01: What do you mean like two more great locations in Westchester that we don't even realize played a pivotal role?
- 7:08SPEAKER_00: I would say that Phillips Manor Hall in Yonkers is a key place to go to.
- 7:13SPEAKER_00: I love it.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: A key place to go to.
- 7:16SPEAKER_00: That really um, with their changes and they're telling the whole story, including the indigenous people, the free and enslaved persons of color that played a very important role there.
- 7:29SPEAKER_00: They have done an excellent job, and we do as many things as we can there.
- 7:34SPEAKER_00: They actually help us on all of our fun events, like our tavern nights.
- 7:39SPEAKER_00: They come and bring those uh historic games that people played in taverns.
- 7:45SPEAKER_00: So, how fun is that?
- 7:46SPEAKER_00: All right, one more now, one more location.
- 7:48SPEAKER_00: Oh, do I have to choose?
- 7:50SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go to Yorktown Heights.
- 7:52SPEAKER_00: The uh there's a um a memorial to a particular regiment called the Rhode Island Regiment.
- 8:01SPEAKER_00: They were mostly um persons of color who served here in Westchester.
- 8:08SPEAKER_00: They came from Rhode Island, but they were protecting us uh from the British on the Croton River.
- 8:15SPEAKER_00: And they were terribly, there was a terrible massacre at a at the dawn uh one day and Yorktown.
- 8:23SPEAKER_00: Yes, in Yorktown, current Yorktown, Yorktown Heights.
- 8:26SPEAKER_00: So that monument is a beautiful place you can take the trail um on your bike, come right through a little railroad park and contemplate the people who helped us win that whole long war of independence.
- 8:42SPEAKER_01: Right.
- 8:42SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting because like you learn about it in school.
- 8:44SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you take tests and you move on with your life.
- 8:47SPEAKER_01: And then when you sit back to your point and you really think about it, the streets that you walk, that I walk from work to go get lunch, the right here is where these battles that really shaped all of our lives have been.
- 8:59SPEAKER_00: It's a lot of people, Route 9 in Hastings.
- 9:03SPEAKER_00: You know, a little rise in Route 9, everybody's driven on that.
- 9:08SPEAKER_00: And the the Continental Army, a little group, were not seen by the Hessians who were coming from the south to the north.
- 9:18SPEAKER_00: And when you go over that now, you say, oh man, that little rise in the road helped a win for the Continental Army.
- 9:26SPEAKER_00: The Battle of Edgar's Lane.
- 9:27SPEAKER_00: Great little spot.
- 9:29SPEAKER_00: You have to ask, were you always a history lover?
- 9:31SPEAKER_00: Excuse me?
- 9:32SPEAKER_00: Were you always a history lover?
- 9:33SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I would say so.
- 9:35SPEAKER_01: Okay.
- 9:36SPEAKER_01: I say so, yeah.
- 9:37SPEAKER_01: You seem very passionate about.
- 9:39SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
- 9:40SPEAKER_02: It'd be amazing.
- 9:41SPEAKER_02: I just learned a lot from Connie and the group over at RW250.
- 9:45SPEAKER_01: So the Battle of White Plains, the one that you were telling us about, that is what is being reenacted at Ward Pound Ridge.
- 9:52SPEAKER_01: This is a big deal.
- 9:54SPEAKER_02: Okay, tell us all about this.
- 9:56SPEAKER_02: It really is such a big deal.
- 9:57SPEAKER_02: And um, by way of introduction from um Connie and her team, we are partnering with the Brigade of the American Revolution, which Connie is a national organization.
- 10:11SPEAKER_02: Are you a member?
- 10:12SPEAKER_02: No.
- 10:12SPEAKER_02: Oh, but you you're not.
- 10:15SPEAKER_02: When I have time to ask you, there is a lot.
- 10:18SPEAKER_00: When I have time to join and apply, I will be.
- 10:22SPEAKER_02: So the members portray soldiers and civilians and merchants and settlers.
- 10:28SPEAKER_02: Um, and working with them.
- 10:29SPEAKER_02: So Redfest, let me just start with Redfest is October 24th and 25th at Ward Pound Ridge.
- 10:35SPEAKER_02: Doors open at 9:30.
- 10:37SPEAKER_02: Our off-site parking starts at nine, and we can get into that.
- 10:40SPEAKER_02: It's all on the visitwestchesterny.com website.
- 10:44SPEAKER_02: The park will be transformed into immersive experience with our brigade of American Revolution creating two encampments.
- 10:55SPEAKER_02: One will be the British encampment, the Continental Encampment, as well as then at the end of the day.
- 11:02SPEAKER_02: Um, so during the day, these encampments will have living history.
- 11:06SPEAKER_02: They will be the soldiers will be there to answer questions.
- 11:09SPEAKER_02: I know, Connie, you're very excited because you've seen this in action.
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: Yes, we've seen small ones, but I have never seen one as well.
- 11:16SPEAKER_00: So what is exactly we're seeing pull?
- 11:21SPEAKER_02: We're gonna produce, I'm gonna say, the largest uh reenactment of the Battle of White Plains happening there at so Chadrickson Hill will be the hill at Wardpound Ridge, um, with the two um armies coming in a tactical uh demonstration of the Battle of White Plains.
- 11:44SPEAKER_02: We are expecting over 750 reenactors, all volunteers, that are coming here to Westchester County from around the country.
- 11:53SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I hear the world, we have some international folks joining us to start off and reenact that battle.
- 12:02SPEAKER_02: And Connie, correct me if I'm wrong, that battle was kind of a compilation, there was a series of battles before that in Westchester County.
- 12:10SPEAKER_00: Yes, the the Bronx.
- 12:13SPEAKER_00: There we go.
- 12:14SPEAKER_00: The Bronx Bronx girl here gets to take credit uh for what came before.
- 12:20SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, when you think about education and how one thing doesn't make you totally excited about learning history, but when you add up hearing one thing, meeting one teacher, doing, you know, and then seeing something like this battle um in Ward Pound Ridge, uh, you really get a feel for it.
- 12:42SPEAKER_00: But if you were a fanatic, you could start in the mid at the beginning of October, we've already started, um, down at the Maritime Museum um under the Throg's Neck Bridge.
- 12:55SPEAKER_00: And we had a symposium there because when the British started to invade um after the big defeat in Brooklyn, there were a series in October, the 12th of October in Throg's Neck, 18th in Orchard Beach, the 22nd in New Rochelle.
- 13:17SPEAKER_00: So little by and in Mimerinick, so little by little it became the Battle of White Plains.
- 13:24SPEAKER_00: So for somebody mildly interested who sees two of those things, you know, you really get a feel for what a struggle it was that Washington pulled it off.
- 13:35SPEAKER_00: Um, was amazing.
- 13:37SPEAKER_02: I think so.
- 13:38SPEAKER_02: And I if I can, I just want to add to you that the experience at Wart Pound Ridge will be from historic camps and the villages to the musical performances.
- 13:47SPEAKER_02: We'll have a live stage program throughout the day.
- 13:50SPEAKER_02: Is it like Revolutionary War music?
- 13:53SPEAKER_02: A little bit of both.
- 13:54SPEAKER_02: So we will have Storytelling by Jonathan Crook.
- 13:59SPEAKER_02: We will have a featured band um or kind of act both days.
- 14:03SPEAKER_02: On Saturday, we have the West Point Benny Havens Band, which is um really a great opportunity, you know, good to have.
- 14:12SPEAKER_02: They're very excited to be there.
- 14:14SPEAKER_02: We will also have um on Sunday, we'll have a Hamilton single on.
- 14:19SPEAKER_02: So trying to make it um interactive, kid friendly, family friendly.
- 14:25SPEAKER_02: And that's great, you know, a little bit of um I appreciate the history, but also having a little bit more of an inclusive and introducing what we're doing and the the importance of Westchester's heritage and history, but to really across the board residents and visitors.
- 14:41SPEAKER_01: So that's great.
- 14:42SPEAKER_01: So anyone can come.
- 14:43SPEAKER_01: They don't have to be a reenactor and they can see even.
- 14:48SPEAKER_02: All reenactors.
- 14:48SPEAKER_02: Yes, but you don't have to be a reenactor.
- 14:51SPEAKER_02: And the idea is that with the day starting from early morning, 9:30 till 5 o'clock, there is a set program throughout the day.
- 14:58SPEAKER_02: You can pick and choose.
- 15:00SPEAKER_02: Um do you have to buy tickets?
- 15:01SPEAKER_02: No, this is a free public event.
- 15:03SPEAKER_02: Parking is free.
- 15:04SPEAKER_02: We will have continuous shuttles from John Jay is our public parking.
- 15:10SPEAKER_02: We also have parking and shuttles from Kutona and Bedford Hills train station.
- 15:15SPEAKER_02: That's great.
- 15:16SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it's interesting because Revolutionary War, we talk a lot about well, the men get a lot of the attention during this whole time period, but I'm sitting here with three women.
- 15:27SPEAKER_01: We're chatting about Revolutionary War.
- 15:29SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, during the Revolutionary War, obviously, you know, Westchester played an important role.
- 15:34SPEAKER_01: What role did women play?
- 15:36SPEAKER_00: Glad you asked that.
- 15:39SPEAKER_00: The focus that uh revolutionary Westchester 250 um has really zeroed in on is what we call meet revolutionary women.
- 15:50SPEAKER_00: And in our tent at RevFest, we will have a big tent and we will have revolutionary women right there speaking in first person, um, as though it was years and years and years ago, and they experienced the revolution one way or another.
- 16:11SPEAKER_00: So there were um enslaved women.
- 16:14SPEAKER_00: Um, there were uh there were women who were loyalists who never became patriots.
- 16:21SPEAKER_00: Um they uh we mentioned Phillips Manor Hall, Mary Phillips.
- 16:27SPEAKER_00: She stayed loyal to the king.
- 16:28SPEAKER_00: And did they go back after the war?
- 16:31SPEAKER_00: They went to, yes, they had to escape.
- 16:33SPEAKER_00: Their their 52,000 acres was confiscated by the new state of New York.
- 16:39SPEAKER_01: I paid attention during the tour.
- 16:41SPEAKER_00: Good, good for you.
- 16:43SPEAKER_00: So I will be a Connecticut woman named Mary Silliman.
- 16:47SPEAKER_00: Her husband um was captured by the British.
- 16:53SPEAKER_00: He was also an attorney, so he had been prosecuting the loyalist in Fairfield County, and I was stuck with my farm, and but I had a really good education.
- 17:06SPEAKER_00: My father was a minister, and I had to advocate for his release, and I used everything I could think of to do that.
- 17:17SPEAKER_00: And eventually a boat went across Long Island Sound, and there was a trade, and finally, as an it's it was a way to show that women, as you're kind of implying, had had advocacy.
- 17:31SPEAKER_00: They were doing many, many things.
- 17:34SPEAKER_00: Those stories haven't been well told in the past.
- 17:37SPEAKER_00: And revolutionary Westchester, I think we can take credit for putting a lot of these women on the map, so to speak.
- 17:44SPEAKER_00: And people who come to our tent, which will be right near the tourism tent, can certainly hear from a variety of women and get a feel for their experiences.
- 17:54SPEAKER_02: That's great.
- 17:56SPEAKER_02: I would be, I think it would be remiss like if we should mention Deborah.
- 18:00SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
- 18:00SPEAKER_02: I mean, not only as a woman, but youth.
- 18:03SPEAKER_02: You I mean, I think you know the story well.
- 18:06SPEAKER_02: Tell the house story, you know, she's such a good storyteller.
- 18:09SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 18:09SPEAKER_00: Well, if if I've been asked on occasion, who might be my favorite revolutionary woman, um Deborah Sampson was a Massachusetts woman who was poor, uh, had a pretty bad life.
- 18:26SPEAKER_00: She decided she would enlist in the Continental Army, but she had to disguise herself as a man to do so.
- 18:34SPEAKER_00: And she did.
- 18:36SPEAKER_00: And she got away with it.
- 18:37SPEAKER_00: And she was a good marksman and she fit in um with her regiment, and she fought in Westchester near Terrytown, and uh she was injured.
- 18:52SPEAKER_00: She had to take the the uh shrapnel out of her leg herself because she couldn't risk having her gender discovered.
- 19:03SPEAKER_00: Wow.
- 19:04SPEAKER_02: We will have her story told out on stage.
- 19:06SPEAKER_00: And she'll come to our tent as well.
- 19:09SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
- 19:10SPEAKER_01: That's a great story.
- 19:11SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
- 19:11SPEAKER_01: I think there, you know, yes, there were men who did wonderful things and we're very grateful.
- 19:15SPEAKER_01: But there are a lot of amazing women that did amazing things.
- 19:17SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of, as you mentioned, enslaved people that did amazing things to help our country.
- 19:22SPEAKER_01: And it's so important.
- 19:23SPEAKER_01: And I'm so glad you're telling all the stories because there's many, many voices to the story of how our country was founded.
- 19:30SPEAKER_00: And you know, a lot of the um espionage and uh excitement went on at taverns.
- 19:38SPEAKER_00: Uh so keep in mind that we've had a tavern night every month across Westchester, Revolutionary Westchester, and people can always find the dates of them.
- 19:48SPEAKER_00: It's rw250.org.
- 19:52SPEAKER_00: So although, of course, you'll go to Revfest, you have so many other choices, including Orchard Beach, if you want to step over the boundary.
- 20:02SPEAKER_00: And so we uh we think through the end of this year, and in you know, the war continued.
- 20:10SPEAKER_00: So there will still be things happening after 2026, but this is the seventh-syllable word that everybody can remember.
- 20:20SPEAKER_00: This is the semi-quincentennial year.
- 20:24SPEAKER_01: So is this is the Wordpound Ridge event, Ward Pound Ridge event.
- 20:28SPEAKER_01: Is this the big finale or no?
- 20:31SPEAKER_00: Not well, it's the biggest thing that's gonna happen through all of this.
- 20:36SPEAKER_02: And um, it really will kind of um put everything in place for the county's 250th commemoration.
- 20:44SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's very exciting.
- 20:45SPEAKER_01: Well, if people want to find out more about going to um Wartown Ridge for this event or other events like Tavern Night, where should they go?
- 20:54SPEAKER_02: I think our two websites visit WestchesterNY.com and rw250.org.
- 21:01SPEAKER_01: That is terrific.
- 21:03SPEAKER_01: Um, favorite fact about the Revolutionary War.
- 21:06SPEAKER_01: Need to have one for both of you.
- 21:07SPEAKER_01: Favorite thing.
- 21:08SPEAKER_02: You know, I think for me, really, and I I is the Deborah Sampson story.
- 21:12SPEAKER_02: I think it's fascinating.
- 21:13SPEAKER_02: Not only was she a woman, but she was a youth.
- 21:16SPEAKER_02: She was young.
- 21:18SPEAKER_02: And um I I just really think that story hits hits me.
- 21:22SPEAKER_02: Maybe because I have two teenagers at old.
- 21:25SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
- 21:25SPEAKER_00: For sure.
- 21:26SPEAKER_00: Well, I can't pick that one.
- 21:28SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna use that one too, but um, I would say the soldiers um in the in the Rhode Island regiment that protected uh the residents of Westchester from the marauding British, but suffered so badly.
- 21:47SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that is uh an event.
- 21:50SPEAKER_00: It was called the Battle of Pines Bridge.
- 21:52SPEAKER_00: We had a very important speaker there.
- 21:55SPEAKER_00: We had a great event um earlier this year.
- 21:58SPEAKER_00: But every year these things should be remembered.
- 22:01SPEAKER_00: So keep in mind that it was a very diverse group of people that helped found this country.
- 22:06SPEAKER_02: And I hope it's also when I see this as an evolution of the revolution, an opportunity for us to keep talking about history and heritage and all the great things.
- 22:18SPEAKER_01: Wonderful.
- 22:18SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for being with us today.
- 22:20SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we will see you in Pound Bridge.