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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-9-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: What a gay.
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  Speaker 4: Last night in the first college football playoff semi final,
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  Speaker 4: Ole miss somehow becoming the underdog America's team, the Little
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  Speaker 4: Engine that Could, because of the departure of their head
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  Speaker 4: coach before the playoff, and because of more and more
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  Speaker 4: coaches being whittled away from that staff, because of players
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  Speaker 4: rejecting the notion of following their head coach to LSU
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  Speaker 4: instead of sticking it out at the place that has
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  Speaker 4: given them this opportunity to get all the way to
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  Speaker 4: a college football playoff semi final. Miami and Old Miss
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  Speaker 4: gave us a really special treat last night, a back
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  Speaker 4: and forth game, a lot of fun, the emergence and
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  Speaker 4: I won't I won't say emergents because we've known that
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  Speaker 4: Malachai Toni is one of the best players in the country,
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  Speaker 4: and a reassertion of the stardom of certain players. The
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  Speaker 4: only thing I don't like about what we saw last night,
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  Speaker 4: and the broadcast made sure to reiterate it over and over.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I don't like about it is that
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  Speaker 4: Miami's using a seventh year quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: To get over the hump against Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 4: Carson Back twenty three of thirty seven, two touchdowns and
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  Speaker 4: an interception. Trinidad Chambliss twenty three of thirty seven. See that,
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  Speaker 4: both of them twenty three and thirty seven with one
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  Speaker 4: touchdown some very important runs as well. The former byu Cougar.
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  Speaker 4: Keelan Marion was the leading receiver in this game. He
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  Speaker 4: had so much shine postgame for there's games you know
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  Speaker 4: that it deserved. But seven sketches and a touchdown, I mean, look.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was awesome. He was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: Miami was the better team, but what an incredible game,
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  Speaker 4: an absolute classic. And even after Miami goes gets the
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  Speaker 4: go ahead score with like thirty seconds left, Trinidad Chambliss
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  Speaker 4: and ole Miss brought it back down to where with
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  Speaker 4: five seconds left they had a real opportunity not just
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  Speaker 4: to hail Mary, but I heard the Dan Patrick Show
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  Speaker 4: talking about calling it like a mid Mary, which doesn't
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  Speaker 4: make any sense, but we'll go with it.
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  Speaker 3: Mid and Mary it was.
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  Speaker 4: And this is why Kirk Kurbstreet is really really good
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  Speaker 4: on every broadcast. It was one of those situations where
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  Speaker 4: for a coaching staff, you have a real decision to make.
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  Speaker 4: It was five seconds left and then I think they
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  Speaker 4: corrected it to have six seconds left on the clock, right,
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  Speaker 4: and Miami ole Miss is across midfield. So Miami is
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  Speaker 4: in a situation where they're playing that kind of umbrella
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  Speaker 4: prevent style defense, which means the underneath routes are pretty open.
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  Speaker 4: And Kirk kurb Street before the snap, right as they're
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  Speaker 4: approaching this final play of the game, what ultimately led
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  Speaker 4: to be the final play of the game, He's like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you could maybe get a quick out route here, take
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  Speaker 4: off ten or fifteen yards and then instead of a
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  Speaker 4: forty yard pass to try to finish this thing, you've
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  Speaker 4: got a much more manageable play, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's a real decision you have to make.
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  Speaker 4: Ultimately, Ole Miss decided to roll Trinidad Chambliss out and
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  Speaker 4: try to get him a clear site picture, and he
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  Speaker 4: bombs it deep. He threw it a little too far, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: through but it could have been caught one of his
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  Speaker 4: two receivers in the vicinity, three defenders in the vicinity,
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  Speaker 4: and honestly, it was a pretty obvious pass interference in
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  Speaker 4: any other scenario, any other time in a game. But
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  Speaker 4: we know how these things play out with hail mary's,
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  Speaker 4: which is why the question of do you try to
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  Speaker 4: chip off a few more yards there becomes I think
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  Speaker 4: a lot more important, a lot more interesting if you
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  Speaker 4: can get you can chew four seconds off the clock
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  Speaker 4: and get yourself an extra ten or fifteen yards before
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  Speaker 4: you take that final snap. So now your hail mary
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  Speaker 4: is not really a hail mary, but it's a twenty
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  Speaker 4: five yard attempt. It changes everything in that game, well
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  Speaker 4: not everything in the game, everything in the final play,
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  Speaker 4: because now the referees have to treat it like a
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  Speaker 4: normal pass. They don't get to treat it like a
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  Speaker 4: hail Mary, where defensive backs are coached and should be
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  Speaker 4: coached to just commit a mugging in a situation like that,
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  Speaker 4: fight it out, do anything you can get your hands
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  Speaker 4: in the bread basket, hold them by the hip, stick
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  Speaker 4: a finger in their belt loop, and hold them back,
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  Speaker 4: because those things are not called on end of game
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  Speaker 4: scenario passes and Chamblers had enough arm, he had enough time,
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  Speaker 4: almost just not able to pull it out. But what
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  Speaker 4: a well played game, what an interesting game, what a
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  Speaker 4: well coach game, And how cool is it that old
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  Speaker 4: miss despite everything stacked against them, brought it all the
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  Speaker 4: way down to the wire. And maybe with one decision
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  Speaker 4: going differently here or there, including those final plays, well,
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  Speaker 4: turning a final play into maybe two final plays could
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  Speaker 4: have been different, could have changed the way that the
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  Speaker 4: rest needed to officiate that game.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I just I really really loved watching that game. And
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  Speaker 4: Mario Christibal, we'll get to him here in a second.
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  Speaker 4: Mario Christibal, he now gets to shake off the mantle
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  Speaker 4: of oh, you can't win the big important games. You're
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  Speaker 4: not good against the highly ranked teams, you're not good
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  Speaker 4: against the best competition. You're a bully that you beat
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  Speaker 4: up just the small guys. We'll get to that here
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  Speaker 4: in a second. But if you're ol Miss and you're
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  Speaker 4: part of this team, you're you're in this group with
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  Speaker 4: Trinidad Shambliss, who, by the way, playing in this game
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  Speaker 4: also had AT and T commercials playing during the commercial breaks.
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  Speaker 3: So that guy's doing pretty well for himself.
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  Speaker 4: In college right now, and he's applying for another year
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  Speaker 4: of eligibility, so we'll see if he gets that waiver.
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  Speaker 4: If you're Keywon Lacy, right, you had a seventy five
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  Speaker 4: yard touchdown in this game. You finished the year with
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  Speaker 4: over fifteen hundred yards, twenty four touchdowns, eleven carries for
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and three yards in a semi final game
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  Speaker 4: while you're less than one hundred percent healthy. These guys
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  Speaker 4: have some of the best resume tape that you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: find in college football. And not just from this game
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  Speaker 4: and not just what you actually did from a football
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  Speaker 4: performance standpoint. But if you're another coach in the transfer portal,
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  Speaker 4: I hate that we're saying this. If you're somebody who's
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  Speaker 4: a booster at Ole Miss, you want this exact group
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  Speaker 4: because we do the thing all the time. Oh, he's
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  Speaker 4: overcome so much, so much adversity. This team had real
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  Speaker 4: adversity to deal with, and this team showed over the
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  Speaker 4: course of the last three weeks how resolute a group
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  Speaker 4: of young men can be. Talent is obviously massively important,
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  Speaker 4: and Ole Miss has a lot of it. But it
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  Speaker 4: would be so easy for that group to just say,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, our coach is gone. Our head coach
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  Speaker 4: left us. For anyone on that offense to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: my position, coach is leaving, you could have folded up
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  Speaker 4: the tent, put your name in the transfer portal, said
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  Speaker 4: thank you, We're gonna take a shellacking from Georgia and
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  Speaker 4: just be done with this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to lift anymore.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to balance my class schedule in my
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  Speaker 4: football practices anymore. I just want to get out of here.
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  Speaker 4: These guys. I can't believe I'm saying this about Old Miss.
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  Speaker 4: These guys are right now the best example we have
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  Speaker 4: of the student athlete being more than or better than
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  Speaker 4: the system that they're playing in. Right now, the Old
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  Speaker 4: Miss Rebels are the example, the shining example right now
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  Speaker 4: of how, even as the game is professionalized, and how
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  Speaker 4: the system and the clock and the calendar are all
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  Speaker 4: pretty awful.
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  Speaker 3: These guys.
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  Speaker 4: Showed us and continue to hopefully with decisions made or
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  Speaker 4: not made regarding the transfer portal. These guys showed us
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  Speaker 4: in these last three weeks that if you just let
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  Speaker 4: a group of guys form a team, they can overcome
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  Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff, and they really can block
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  Speaker 4: out a lot of that. They could have won that
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  Speaker 4: game last night. Even though they did not win that
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  Speaker 4: game last night. I hope that everyone in Oxford, Mississippi
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  Speaker 4: is incredibly proud of that particular group because the weight
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  Speaker 4: of a changing system in college football was pressed down
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  Speaker 4: upon their shoulders pretty unfairly. Even the guys who are
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  Speaker 4: making a lot of money, They're now up against a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of other guys who are making a lot of money,
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  Speaker 4: who have a better situation, who have more consistency, who
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  Speaker 4: have coaches that are staying there, who have more certainty
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  Speaker 4: on their futures. And this old misgroup was just like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, it is, us against the world, as
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  Speaker 4: corny and cliche as it is every time anyone else
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  Speaker 4: does it. For Ole miss it actually made sense. It
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  Speaker 4: actually hit these last three weeks. I mean, I heard
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  Speaker 4: them talking about Carson Beck last night. Oh, he's overcome
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  Speaker 4: so much. What do you mean he's overcome so much.
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  Speaker 4: He had a reputation for being kind of a jerk,
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  Speaker 4: and it didn't work out the way he wanted it
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  Speaker 4: to at Georgia, even though he had a ton of
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  Speaker 4: success at Georgia. He jumps into the transfer portal, follows
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  Speaker 4: his girlfriend, who was also an NIL celebrity, to Miami,
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  Speaker 4: and they have a bunch of like TMZ type scandal
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  Speaker 4: stuff around their relationship that on a surface level, seems
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  Speaker 4: like it's mostly his fault. I don't care. It's college romance.
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  Speaker 4: I really don't give a you know what. He had
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  Speaker 4: a couple of luxury cars stolen from him Like that.
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  Speaker 4: Guy's adversity is not the same as your head coach
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  Speaker 4: calling you into his office when you're about to embark
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  Speaker 4: on the most important run in your sport and in
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  Speaker 4: your career certainly and say, hey, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: be here with you for that. Somebody that you have
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  Speaker 4: trusted for however long calls you into the office and
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  Speaker 4: he probably didn't even do them this courtesy, pulls him
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  Speaker 4: into a team meeting whatever, or maybe you just found
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  Speaker 4: it out on Instagram and on Twitter and every everywhere else,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just like, hey, man, uh, I know you
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  Speaker 4: trust me, but you can't anymore. I know you put
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  Speaker 4: all your eggs in my basket. That was a mistake.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gone. If you want, you can follow me to LSU,
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  Speaker 4: but you can't do it right now. You gotta wait
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  Speaker 4: until you finish out what we started here.
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  Speaker 3: Coach. Don't you want to finish out what we started here?
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  Speaker 3: I do, but also I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: I would like to, but because I have to start
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  Speaker 4: recruiting to buy you Bengals, I'm not. I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to finish out what we started here. Like that's adversity.
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  Speaker 4: Even if you're if you're making four million bucks, that's
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  Speaker 4: adversity because again, you're competition. The guy's opposite you, the
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  Speaker 4: Georgia Bulldogs that you're going up against in a college
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  Speaker 4: football playoff. They're getting the nutrition and the money and
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  Speaker 4: all this stuff, and they don't have to look at
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  Speaker 4: Kirby Smart's chair and go where the hell did he?
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  Speaker 3: Where is he? It's empty? Where'd he go?
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  Speaker 4: What a season for Ole Miss and what a lesson
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  Speaker 4: that that group of young men taught. I think the
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  Speaker 4: College Sports World and Kirk Herbstreet again. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: why I'm giving him so much love today. Kirk Herbstreet
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  Speaker 4: in kind of the post mortem as the game was
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  Speaker 4: over and they're doing the postgame show thing, he kind
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  Speaker 4: of got on a soapbox for a second, which is
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  Speaker 4: funny from an Ohio State guy, but he got on
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  Speaker 4: a soapbox for a second. He said, Look, I know
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  Speaker 4: that everyone cares about like it's all about the talent
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  Speaker 4: and these contracts right now, but you better have a team.
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  Speaker 4: I love that, and you absolutely have to have a team.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why Utah can dangerous. That's why BYU can
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  Speaker 4: be dangerous. That's why what Texas Tech did this year
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  Speaker 4: is so impressive and important because it is not like
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  Speaker 4: these are the first times we've watched in college football,
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  Speaker 4: even in the new era where it's legal, You've seen
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of teams throw money at the problem and
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  Speaker 4: farm a bunch of four and five star talent.
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  Speaker 3: Texas A and M under Jimbo Fisher is the best
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  Speaker 3: example of this.
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  Speaker 4: He had like the number one recruiting class in the
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  Speaker 4: country one year, he had the number two recruiting class
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  Speaker 4: in the country another year.
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  Speaker 3: And he couldn't win a damn football game.
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  Speaker 4: Not because there was a lack of talent, not because
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  Speaker 4: they misidentified and that those two years all the four
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  Speaker 4: and five star guys should have been two star guys.
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  Speaker 4: It's because he couldn't get him to play together. It's
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  Speaker 4: because the culture of that program was mercenary, was totally transient.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't have enough love for each other, what ever
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  Speaker 4: was couldn't win right ole miss in the face of
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  Speaker 4: your position coach is probably leaving after ten games with you,
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  Speaker 4: after eleven games with you, after twelve games with you, Your
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  Speaker 4: position coach is leaving on offense, your play caller, We're
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  Speaker 4: gonna get him, but we're gonna get him half of
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  Speaker 4: this week and on game day. I'm sure it affected
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  Speaker 4: their preparation. I'm sure it affected their film study. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure it affected the routine that they had gotten themselves into.
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  Speaker 4: Because college football players are creatures of habit and of routine.
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  Speaker 3: That is what these coaches do.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's honestly, for a head coach, that's about
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  Speaker 4: seventy percent of your job, putting the right routine together
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  Speaker 4: to maximize the success for your guys. Knowing how hard
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  Speaker 4: to push, when to pull back, knowing when the team
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  Speaker 4: meal ought to be, Knowing how much accountability you have
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  Speaker 4: to have if people miss walkthroughs or late to walk
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  Speaker 4: throughs and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big part of what head.
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  Speaker 4: Coaches do, because the good ones leave the actual play
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  Speaker 4: calling to their offensive coordinator, leave the defensive scheme and
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  Speaker 4: the defensive play calling to their defensive coordinator, and then
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  Speaker 4: your job, aside from being the CEO of the program,
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  Speaker 4: is to make the decisions about are we going for it?
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  Speaker 3: Here?
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  Speaker 4: Am I calling the time out? I mean it's like
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  Speaker 4: the minutia of football instead of the meat and potatoes,
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  Speaker 4: and the guy that they had doing the CEO thing
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  Speaker 4: and then making those decisions that become massively important in
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  Speaker 4: close games like this one, that guy had already left
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  Speaker 4: and he had handed it over to someone who I
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  Speaker 4: think it's hard in a two game span, it's hard
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  Speaker 4: to build a better resume than what we just saw
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  Speaker 4: from the acting interim now permanent head coach at all
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  Speaker 4: miss And for the players, congratulations to them even in
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  Speaker 4: a loss. I hope that you don't see a massive
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  Speaker 4: exodus from old Missus players into the transfer portal. I
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  Speaker 4: could totally understand why you'd feel jaded, and that loyalty
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  Speaker 4: to a program that had no loyalty at the top
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  Speaker 4: of it wouldn't make a lot of sense to you.
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  Speaker 4: But I think these last three weeks or so could
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  Speaker 4: have been one of those things where.
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  Speaker 3: You're just like, you know what, everything else be damned.
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  Speaker 4: I can trust my guys, and if I can keep
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  Speaker 4: this team together, really good things can happen.
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  Speaker 3: And they almost did it.
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  Speaker 4: They were two snaps away from being in the National
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  Speaker 4: Championship Game without their head coach and without six offensive assistants.
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  Speaker 3: That is, but bananas, didn't you.
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  Speaker 5: Love they did the I don't know if you watch
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  Speaker 5: much of the pregame coverage, Marty Smith sat down with
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  Speaker 5: Pete Golding for a conversation, and I just loved Pete
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  Speaker 5: Golding's attitude that showed off. It is they did that
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  Speaker 5: feature with him and then watched and then after learning
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  Speaker 5: that much about him, seeing how yeah that shows through
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  Speaker 5: you know every time they show him on the sideline
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  Speaker 5: and whatever during a game, just that he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm down, I'm down. A lot of coaches, Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 5: some of our players that that do intend. I know
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  Speaker 5: there's some of our players that do intend to enter
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  Speaker 5: the portal and follow Alane to LSU or wherever else.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't care. We're in the CFP, We're in
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  Speaker 5: the College Football Playoff. We're gonna do everything we can
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  Speaker 5: to win the national championship and we believe we can. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: take more assistance away from us, that's out of our control.
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  Speaker 5: We're still gonna do everything we can to win these games.
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  Speaker 5: And guess what, we can win the game. And they
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  Speaker 5: showed last night, even though they did fall short, they
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  Speaker 5: they're capable of the game no matter what. Which You
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  Speaker 5: love that, and you're right, it feels wrong, It feels
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't fit with s with the SEC. Right, they
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  Speaker 5: ole miss SEC, traditional SEC, not power, but really good program.
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  Speaker 5: Plucky under playing the plucky underdog doesn't really fit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they showed that.
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  Speaker 5: That's how they That's what they showed throughout these throughout
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  Speaker 5: the last month of couple months of this season, particularly
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  Speaker 5: in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta love it.
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  Speaker 5: I also, I love that you mentioned Herbie's rant about
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  Speaker 5: stop going after stars in recruiting, stop going after five stars,
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  Speaker 5: stop looking at stars, start looking at team, And I like,
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  Speaker 5: you couldn't help, but think, Yeah, that's why you football
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  Speaker 5: has been as successful as they've been in the last
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  Speaker 5: twenty something years, and that's why we believe they'll continue
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  Speaker 5: to be that successful under Morgan Scolety.
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  Speaker 4: It's why I don't think like it's healthy to have
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  Speaker 4: some concern and to wonder what these first few years
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  Speaker 4: under Morgan Scaley are going to.
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  Speaker 3: Look like, What next year is going to look like.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Hell, what the next seven days are going to look
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: like before the transfer portal closes. It's a healthy thing
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: to wonder about that, But the reminder of the fact
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: that we over me, team over talent. Kurt Signetti has
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: talked about this production over potential, Yeah, is it great
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: to see. It's why the JJ Buchanan situation is really interesting, right,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: because you get this guy from Utah State to come
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: down who's the same height, the same size, looks like
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: kind of the same speed, and has doubled the production
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and yet everyone is panicking about the fact that JJ
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Buchanan left and I get it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: It's because he's younger.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say that he you can in
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: having three more years of eligibility versus how much how
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: much does.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: How much does the.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Other Braden Pagan has. Sorry, man, it's hard to keep
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: up with all the new guys this time of year.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: I apologize. I don't have everybody's name memory. I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: he's I think he's got one more year, one more year.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean that's that's the biggest concern out
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, you're yes, but also you're right, but also, what
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: are we doing, Like, don't plan beyond one year with anybody, right, Like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: it's a one year It's a one year league anyway,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: it's college football is a one year sport. You should
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: care about what your roster looks like January sixteenth, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: then will care about what the roster looks like next
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: January sixteenth.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: That I mean, seriously, the.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Days of we're gonna we're gonna bring in this freshman
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: prospect and we're gonna stash him and we're gonna develop
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: him and we're gonna bulk him up. Those are gone.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: They really are. You still have to recruit high schools,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: and you still have to have the ability and the
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: acumen for identifying that talent, and maybe we'll have to
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: move into a different position. It's an unfair thing for
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: coaches right now. That's still a requirement of the job
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: for you to know how to do that. But that
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: is no longer the primary source of your talent and
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: your culture. It's no longer the thing that really makes
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: your team or your game day roster from year to
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: year to year. Brandon Pegan, Kyrie Sholz. Let's say you
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: get Larry Simmons to re sign, all right, Hunter Andrews
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: as an offensive weapon, Creed Wittemore maybe to play that
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Ryan Davis slot, Britain Covey light.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: He's already committed to be back, so you can bank
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: on him at least at this point.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: All Right, You've got in those names the best returning
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: production that the University of you already, even if you
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: take Whittemore out, even if you take Larry Simmons out,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: just Shoals and Jess Pagan the best college football production
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: from pass catchers that UTAH has had in like the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: last five years. So am I bummed a JJ Buchanan's out, Sure.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Especially after Ellie performed in the Vegas Bowl that was
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: by far his best game.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It got you really excited.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But yeah, absolutely, But again, going back to the Morgan
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Scaley press conference, going back to every conversation we've had
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: with Eric Weddle in the last few weeks, bring in
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: people who want to be here and ride with them.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: It's the team thing. And I know there's somebody out
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: there driving in their car right now shouting at the
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: race and saying, like, Miami won the game. Why are
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: you talking so much about Old Miss and how their
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: culture and all that stuff. Honestly, Old Miss I couldn't
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: give a bleep about Ole Miss five weeks ago. The
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: fact that they were put into this situation and that
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: they overcame to some extent the difficulties of that situation
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: is a renewal of hope that the kind of like
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: old school stuff that we value in college football is
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: still there. Even as Trinidad Chambliss is sitting in an
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: AT and T commercial during a semi final championship game,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: they go to break, he makes this huge play first down,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: he's going back to the huddle. We'll be right back
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: after these messages, and it's him on an AT and
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: T commercial and he's like, what the talking about?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Joking about the transfer portal, and it's this guy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: This guy made at least a million bucks to do
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: that dang commercial. Yeah, and I'm supposed to like pretend
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: he loves.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Old You don't have to pretend he loves old Miss. Yeah.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: He could have been like, guys, this Kiffin's gone. Screw
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: that guy. I'm going to LSU if I like him.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm coming back to Old Miss if I can
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: get this waiver, or I'm just gonna shut it down
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and prepare for the NFL. If my head coach doesn't care,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: why should I care. Every player on that team could
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: have had that mentality. Oh my head coach doesn't care
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: about this playoff run?
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Why would I care? But instead.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: They remind us that our collective obsession with transfer portals
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: and with contracts and with niyel and with player movement
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and all that stuff, it doesn't actually apply when there
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: are high stakes for these kids, When they can look
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: at around the locker room and say we could do
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: this thing together, guys, it still matters the same way
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: it would if they were amateurs, true amateurs. That is
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: refreshing and that is wonderful, and that is what gives
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you hope for the University of Utah Because the guys
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Dallas Vakaalahi, I'm sad to see you go to Penn State.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: That sucks.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: That makes zero sense to me because when is the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: last time Matt Campbell had a formidable I'm scared of
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: that defensive tackle. When is the last time you looked
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: at Iowa State's defensive line and we're just like, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: don't want to mess with those guys.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Now, I get it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Penn State has its tradition in Penn State is one
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: of those big tips. Where is Dallas Vaca Lahie gonna
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: find his partipopo when he's in Happy Valley, Pennsylvania, Beaver County, Pennsylvania. Yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know, it's great to go out and
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: see the world. I don't know it just there are
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: some things that make sense and there's some things that don't.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: And one thing that's making sense to me right now
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: is guys understanding that, Yeah, the situation I'm in kind
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: of sucks, but my reaction to it doesn't have to.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Miami has also shown a great
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: culture throughout this I've been very impressed with with Mario
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Cristaball and the like. I was not that impressed with
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: him until this year as a coach, but then this
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: playoff run, he's really kind of put to bed a
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: lot of those concerns that we that we all had
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: about Mario Cristiball as a coach, at least thus far.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: But I liken you mentioned the the the fan that
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: might be that might be upset that we're focusing too
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: much on the loser of this game. I liken it
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: to the NBA Finals. Oklahoma City had a great culture. Obviously,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: they won the They won the the NBA Championship with
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: guys who were all under thirty, Like, that's incredible.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: They were dominant throughout the year.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: But the Indiana Pacers were dealt such a tough card
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: with Tyrese Haliburton tearing his achilles in the middle of
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: the first quarter of Game seven, and they are already
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: huge underdogs going to that game, and yet they fought
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: so hard they stayed in the game mentally to where
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: they they kept the doubt that, hey, maybe Oklahoma City
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: won't win this Game seven. Like, I'm sorry, that is
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: a bigger and better story than the team that was
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: supposed to win winning, And in Miami was favored in
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: this game. They were supposed to win in the in
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: the sense that they had a full coaching staff, they
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: had the head coach they started the year with, like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: hats off to them, that's incredible. But Ole miss is
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: a better story because they made it because they put
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: some doubt into that, into that giant of a team compared.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: To them, And honestly, like Miami has some interesting players.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Malachai Tony's so much fun to watch. Ruben Bain, who
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: is not a factor in this game, didn't hardly do
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: a thing. He's been a joy to watch in all
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: the games you've seen from in this year. Carson Beck
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: kind of wrecks it for me because he's a seventh
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: year guy who likes to complain about the difficulties he
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: had in situations that he.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Put himself in.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not the biggest fan of that idea and the
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: like the seventh years the seventh year college football player thing.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: It's like, well, yeah, you better be damn good when
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: you're in it for seven years.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Well, but that's the other thing about Carson Beck. This
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: is a guy that last year all the hype was
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: he's gonna be the number one overall pick in the
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: NFL and George is gonna win the National Championship, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: of course he hurts his wrist and that derailed some
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: things for him, but like he really underachieved before he
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: hurt his wrist, and now and then this year with Miami,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: he's he was really good last night. He's just been solid.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Besides that, like he has not been the reason they win. Sorry, dude,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Like that's not a great story that you have regressed
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: every year you've been in the you've been in college
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: football in this year, seventh year, and so. But yet
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: you're still good enough because you're talented enough you're helping
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: your team win games.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: A little bit that he scored the.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Rushing touchdown to put him up up ahead, and I
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: hate that whoever number fifty two is for Ole miss
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: was was looping on a stunt up front and just
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: had honestly maybe the worst breakdown slash athletic reaction to
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Beck appearing to start his scramble because he was on
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: there was nobody between fifty two and Carson Beck as
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: he's completing this stunt, and Beck start like he sees
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: the pressure right, so he starts to move to his left, and.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: This d lineman just stayed where he was, like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: There's nobody between him and Carson Beck, and he just
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: stayed where he was like he was so worried about
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: breaking contain that He's like, I'm not taking one step
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: inside here, So Beck, all he had to do was
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: just Okay, that guy is a statue right there. If
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I don't run towards him, he's not gonna get me,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: So let me just leak out here. It was the
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: coverages on the opposite side of the field, So all
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I gotta do is is do a wide turn here
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: and get like and walk into the end zone. That
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: nothing frustrates me more than when defensive lineman defensive ends
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: when players are there and they can't do the thing
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: that needs to be done. He was a step and
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: a half away from Carson Beck, and look, maybe Beck
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: somehow spins out of it, evades the tackle, stiff arm, whatever,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: but he just rooted himself right there on the left side.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I got contained over here. Boys, I'm just gonna let
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: him run that way instead. The game is on the line.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Make a play, son, anyway, gotta take a break here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Mario Cristobal might be having less fun than any coach
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: who's ever booked his ticket to a national championship game.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: We'll get into that next. On the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: It's ESPN seven hundred ninety to ONEFM.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to one.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: A f M. Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to one FM.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Football is supposed to be fun when you're playing little league.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: It's still supposed to be fun when you're in high school.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: The emphasis on fun goes away pretty drastically when you
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: get into the college football world. But winning should be
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: fun at least, and when your team is off to
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: a national championship game, you would think that would be
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of fun. Mario christaball ain't having fun yet.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: He's not allowing himself to enjoy this. He's not having fun.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll let his players have some level of fun.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: He himself is stressed out to the max, and it's
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: probably gotten worse now that he's one win away from
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: restoring the glory of Miami football.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: By the way, it should also be fun that the
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: national championship game is in your home stadium, right like,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: It's not.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Just He wouldn't even answer a question about that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: That was the most insane thing about all the postgame interviews,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: which unfortunately, like the reality of the situation for Mario
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Cristibal is and for all of us watching and doing
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the postgame thing. SVP, the third of the three postgame interviews,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: was the only one who could color outside the lines
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Because if you're doing the job the
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: right way and you're the sideline reporter who gets Mario Cristobal,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you have to ask the same three questions. And then
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: if you're on the podium with him, as again the
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: sideline interview's already done, you're on the podium with him,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you have to ask those questions, right and then if
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: your SVP you ask some version of those questions. But
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: then you get to try to like cause your SVP
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you get to color outside the lines a little bit.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And it's as much as a sports center.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: He's turned that into a sports talk radio show as well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: just like this, So the way that you and Spence
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: ask things that are not so not as clinical as
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: a sideline reporter or a play by play guy asks
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: in an interview during a game, it's the same kind
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: of thing for SVP Sports Center.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: The sideline reporters have sixty to ninety seconds with the
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: coach and they have to get at least two questions
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: in hopefully three.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Right, So they've got to be brief, they've got to
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: be concise, and they've got to do the kind of
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: like low hanging fruit out And it's fine, and and
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: it was, Hey, the National Championship game is going to
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: be played at your home stadium. What do you think
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: about that? How do you feel about that? What's that
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: going to mean? And he's just like, we're excited to
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: get back to practice.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Stop it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: We're excited to practice at our home, at our at
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: our home practice field, which, by the way, you would
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: be doing anyway. Yeah, even though you've had five straight
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: road games. It's been five straight road games over a
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: two month period, and you will practicing at home.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: You've been practicing get rain Tree practice field. Okay.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: By the way, Mario christ Ball doesn't have to be
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: excited about the game's location, doesn't have to be excited
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: about anything. Yet he can be as stressed and weird
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: about it, because that's what head coaches are. The fans
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: in Miami are pretty excited about this. James, what do
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: you think the get in prices. So we were talking
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: of it. I don't hard Rocks Stadium.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: We were talking about the get in how low the
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: get in price for last night's game was, and what
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: was that?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Thirty five dollars? Thirty five dollars to get into the Fiesta.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Bowl on game day for probably the worst seat in
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: the building. But still that's that's that's really good for
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: college football playoff game.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Like if I was in Phoenix, I have no dog
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: in the fight with ole Miss or with with Miami.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: You don't have anything going on, you don't have other plans,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: and you saw that price.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm buying the last minute.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: So yeah, if we lived in Phoenix, I'd be like, hey,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: lovely wife of mine, I'll do what I can to
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: help with bedtime, but I'm going to go to the
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: college football playoff game. That's thirty five dollars only thirty
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: five bucks.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: It's got to be way more than that because it's
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: the national championship, the.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: National championship game. Now the U Miami, right that you is?
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: This is what the first time since two thousand and
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: one they've been in a national championship game, well, oh two,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: the year after they lost to Month. That's right, oh two,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: they lost him, and they they talked about They talked
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: about that throughout the broadcast, not not just that game
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: in particular, but the fact that they were like I
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: didn't even realize. I thought they were just talking about
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that game, and I'm like, guys, this is not a
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: revenge game.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: It's twenty five years later. But apparently they'd been O
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: four in the Fiesta bowls.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Ye, Miami.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: He's had really bad luck in the Fiesta. They've been
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: bad in the Phoenix area. So so anyway.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Another question that Mario Cristibal would not even address. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: kind of I kind of agree with that though, because
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: it's like, the last time we were in the Fiesta
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Bowl was two thousand and two.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Guys like, come on.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: No, no, if you're Mario cristibaal right, the right thing
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: to do is be a human being and say something
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: like that, Well, that was a different Miami team. I
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't here. My guys weren't here. Guys weren't even born exactly. Yeah,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: like none of these guys were born yet. He just
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: he's a psycho about it, which again you don't be grudging,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: because that's how coaches are I'm.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Gonna price, get in price.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna guess three hundred bucks, thirty one hundred dollars.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: The cheapest ticket right now available at StubHub dot com
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: is three seventy four dollars, which puts you in the
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: corner of the upper deck corner of the field.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: So all right, you're.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: That's for thirty one hundred dollars. These are Super Bowl tickets. Yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and this is we were talking about this.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: It's gotta be the price has gotta be way higher
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: because this is that's way higher than even most national
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: championship games.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: It's because because it feels it's at home and the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: local interest. Right. So here's the thing.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: If Utah was playing in a national championship game at
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Rice Cycle State, I'm paying whatever price necessary. I mean,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: people are gonna sell cars, they're gonna give they're gonna
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: sell plasma, cancel vacations. They're gonna cancel vacations. So I
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: get it right. I mean, this would be the coolest
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: thing ever to go watch your alma mater.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And there's a ton of money down there in Miami.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of very successful Hurricanes alum all of
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: them that played are on the sideline for last night's game.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Do you know how many former Hurricane players are gonna
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: be on the sideline for the National Championship game? Everyone
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: that you've ever heard of and another hundred that you haven't, Yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: are all gonna be there.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I happened because I'm a because I'm a Colts fan.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I happen to know, like the Colts had kind of
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: under the radar a lot of those Hurricanes from from
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: the gory days. Edgrin James, he was one of the
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: captains last night. Reggie Wayne was another one. Guys that
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: you don't necessarily think of as Miami guys because they're
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: quieter than some of the other Miami stars. But yeah,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I I've been seeing a bit of that because of
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: people I follow, because they were cult stars.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: But that's gonna be so if it's Indiana Miami, right,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Indiana's NFL legacy guys, bring them all out.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who Miami is? Guys are like, that's kind of
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: my point.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, Michael Pennix, for like one year, I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: he's Do you think he's claiming them right now privately
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: among his circle? You gotta be right, because probably because
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: he because Debor was there too. He he followed Debor
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: to Washington. So it's not like it's not like you
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: can't say I don't like I didn't. I didn't just
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: leave because I wanted to leave Indiana, right, I don't know.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I hope they do a graphic if that's
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: what the matchup ends up being, where it's like Ray
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Lewis on one side and Bob horn Schmeier on the other.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That's a real name.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Nineteen forty seven NFL Draft, eleventh round Bob Hornschmeier, running
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: back out of the University of Indiana.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, the notable Bob Hornschmeier. We all can we
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: all can think of him when we think of college
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: football legends.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, so Antoine Randall l all right, he had a
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: nice little run. Bob Skoronski was back in the part
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: of those Steelers teams back in the sixties and seventies.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Wow you Antoine Randall el Steelers super Bowl champion too.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Ottawailea Gulae remember him playing for the Bears. He's from
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the University of Indiana. About Vern Hoffman nineteen thirty seven.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Let's go Bob, Bob Hack nineteen thirty nine Bob DeMarco
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty NFL Draft fourteenth rounder played for the Cardinals. Oh,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Chris Steelman, great player, great offensive lineman. Trent Green, Okay, yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: he had a great run.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Trent Green is I remember most as the Chiefs quarterback,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: but he was he kind of can't first on the
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: scenes of Rams quarterback. How about this name got to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: be like his dad or grandpa Rex Grossman, Not that
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Rex Grossman. That's a Florida nineteen forty eight Rex Grossman.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Nineteen forty eight.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Rex Grossman the number one NFL player from the University
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: of Indiana nineteen seventy. Inductee to the Pro Football Hall
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: of Fame. Wide receiver slash defensive end. Pete Peahoste pe
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Hoose played nine seasons for the Eagles from forty seven
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: to fifty five. He won the forty eight and forty
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: nine NFL Championships and was a six time Pro Bowl selection.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: So that's what Indiana's got. I mean, Trent Green out
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: of that whole list. You're calling Trent like Signetti or
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: his people need to be calling Trent Green and Antoine
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: Randall Ell Please, Antwine Rada, one of you two please
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: come because no one else has heard of any of
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: our other alum. I actually would love if they did
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: this for the NASH if it ends up being I'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: not trying to be dismissive of Oregon, but let's just
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: for the sake of this lame exercise, Indiana, Miami, let's
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: for the coin toss. Invite every NFL alum from these
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: schools to be out there for the coin toss, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: it would be for Indiana, it would be like four
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: dudes in wheelchairs Antoine Randall, l Ottawalya Goula, and Trent
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Green like fifty and then from and then from end
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: zone to end zone.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Three hundred people from Miami just like, Oh look there's
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Willis McGehee. Oh look there's Jonathan Fillma. Oh look there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Dan Morgan. Oh look there's Ray Lewis. Oh look there's
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: sap Oh look there's Ed Reed, Jim Kelly, Dennis Ericson.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: Miami has has like has more NFL Hall of Famers
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: than Indiana has notable NFL alum.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Okay, how about another name in the in the not
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: that not that guy game here that that sports fans
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: here in Utah should should recognize Chris Morris yeah, not
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: that Chris Chris Morris offensive tackle from nineteen seventy one. Okay,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: all right, how about and maybe related to someone who's
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: not that guy, Bob Riley, not Bill Riley, Bob Brady,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Brady big Lert.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: He text in and said, Antoine Randol, he's he's your
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: only guy. But fifty sixty one gave us Trent Green.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: You're right, it's slim drinkings. Shrent Green is notable. Absolutely,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: That's I didn't realize he was an Indiana guy. That's
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: that's an impressive alum to roll out there. Still doesn't
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: compare to all the like, basically, any any impressive alum
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: that Miami. Could you pick a an impressive one from Miami.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: They're still more notable than Trent Green, But Trent Green
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: is not nothing.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: One of the best.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Mario Christobaul moments from the post game was also when
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Holly row was about to hand him the trophy, right,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: and they're doing the whole spiel and he's standing in
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: the back and the mic picks up what he's saying,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: but he's not miked up yet, so to speak.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: And he's looking around and he's like, hey, can.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: We get some of our players up here, said to
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: all these people, these extra people, and the people are
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: the Bowl Committee chair Holly Row herself his wife.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: It's like like, we got our players instead of these people.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: It's like, yes, that is amazing, because one of the
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: worst things in sports is when the random executive from
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: whatever company is sponsoring whatever game gets on the mic.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: We would like to congratulate Mario Cristobal Columbus and the
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Miami Hurricanes for winning the Years twenty twenty festival. It's
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: the worst. Yeah, it's the dumbest thing. We saw it
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: the Vegas Ball.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: By the way, speaking of mispronouncing names of the head coach,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: the Morgan Scaly from the Vegas Bowl executive guy and
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: it's like, come on, so know how to pronounce the
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: name of the coach.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Just don't let the random executive people have the mic.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Just the trophy. Yeah, that's all they got to do.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: By the way, one of the guys, I think they're
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: both from Verbo. One of the guys looked like he
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: was friends with the Miami guys. Did you notice he
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: was chatting the players up. He looked like he belonged there.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: All right, it's like talk. Oh, another kind of notable
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: from guy recently Tevin Coleman, a right, former Niner, former Falcon. Okay,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: so that's another guy recently that that football fans out
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: to know that they can invite.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: All right, got to take a break. There's so much
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: left to get to. I haven't even told you who's
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: joining us on the show today. Unfortunately, Bill Riley, who
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: normally stops on Fridays, he was pulled into some meetings.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: He's got very important stuff. You have people yelling into
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: their radios.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: Why aren't you talking to Bill Riley? All right, your
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: tease promo said you would at this time.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Sorry. Sean say Ed from super Sports is going to
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: join us.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Sarah Todd is going to jump on to talk a
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: little NBA basketball at one o'clock, and she has promised
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: that she will have a grievance prepared and at one
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: point thirty we're going to be airing our grievances.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: So the last grievance shared based on that. We should
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: all be very excited for what.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Remarkably specific grievance, and I loved every minute of it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: All right, any news from the transfer portals certainly not,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: but we'll try so. Sean o'commall Show, ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
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• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Right, what's the latest from the University of Utah's transfer
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: portal news? Well, nothing that is not since we closed
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: the show yesterday, nothing that is remarkably significant. On the downside,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: as expected, John Henry Daily is committed to Michigan. Look,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: we knew that's where it was headed.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I will be following that story to see how much
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: he actually plays this year.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Again, I give you ready by springball.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I wish no ill upon any player, whether they're staying there, going,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: they're doing whatever, but to tear an achilles, to have
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: surgically repaired achilles tendon, and to expect that four months later,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: five months later, you're gonna be able to produce at
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: an elite level. That's I mean, maybe he's one of
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: these guys as this weird mutant healing factor, or maybe
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: he's figuring out some ways to boost that healing factor.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: In any case in the way that and it reminds
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: you of Aaron Rodgers saying I'm gonna be back for
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: the playoffs the same year that he that he tore
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: his achilles. All Right, dude, Yeah, but maybe. And of
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: course Aaron Rodgers thinks he has a supreme, superior whatever anything.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Factor, so of course he would have had his your
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: healing fact.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: One thing we know about Aaron Rodgers is he will
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: he will experiment with some things. Yeah, so ziahuasca help
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: you heal your achilles.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go do a silence retreat in a dark
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: tent with ayahuasca. My achilles will heal. Honestly, I don't know.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It might it might work. I have no idea science
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: is that, But maybe I don't know.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Maybe the most important transfer portal news for all of
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: college football, something that we talked about yesterday statements from
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Demon Williams and from Jed Fish yesterday last night, I
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: should say that Demon Williams is gonna run it back
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: at Washington. We put the pole question up. Do you
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: let a guy go, do you let him go but
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: penalize him financially, or do you just say I'm making
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: you stay and we're gonna figure this out. We're gonna
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: fight through this thing and make it work. That's what
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Washington is doing. Everyone's going to have to let this
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: be water under the bridge. And look, it's not without
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: precedent where a guy doesn't want to be in a
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: place and then the coaching staff welcomes him back. Because
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: none of us know the intimate details of exactly what
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: happened with Demon Williams. It seems like it was a
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: money grab type situation and he did that under ill
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: advisement from not his agent, who then separated himself from
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: the agent. And then Darren Heidner, who is like the
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: number one NIL. Darren Heidner for me.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Is really interesting.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: He's a South Florida attorney who recognized very early on
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: during the NIL battle but this was going to be
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: a lucrative space. He's a young guy who we started
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: having him on serious XM shows like eight years ago
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: before was really a huge thing and now that's the
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: entire focus of his legal practice and he is a
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: big time dude down there now. Demon Williams hired on
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: mister Heydner, and he's probably disappointed because he loves to
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: litigate these things. He's probably disappointed that. Never mind, we're
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: going back to Washington and by the way, he's going
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: back to Washington, not for free, but for the reported
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: four million dollar deal that he had signed before he
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: entered his name into the transfer portal. So like, this
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: is something that coaches, I think are preparing themselves to
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: deal with from a philosophical and an emotional standpoint where
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: you want to smack a kid, it's.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Be like, what the hell are you doing, dude? We
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: gave you four million bucks and you committed.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: But instead of smacking him, you just have to say,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: all right, misunderstanding, we want you back, we love you back,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: We're going to do great things together. And that appears
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: to be the decision made in this situation. That was
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: one of the biggest stories in sports yesterday. Everyone was
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: talking about Demon Williams trying to get out of this
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Washington contract. The good news for you, for me, for
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: college football fans in the world is that it appears
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: that these contracts are on some level enforceable, that the
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Williams camp, Heidner involved or not, looked at it and said, ooh,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: this is actually going to be really punitive to you
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: if you stay in the transfer portal or if you
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: try to go somewhere else. And Ross Dellinger who's been
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: kind of the best at reporting all this, had tracked
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: down this information that pointed to the idea that if
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: indeed he had remained in the transfer portal, he was
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: going to be liable for the four million dollars in
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: his contract or the team that he transferred to was
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: going to be liable not only for the money this
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: is really interesting, but also under the new settlement rules,
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: they would also see a reduction in their nil excuse me,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: in their revenue sharing number, so the NCAA would penalize them.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: According I've not read the fine print of the House settlement,
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: I guess to the same level that ross Ellinger has.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: But according to his reporting, if demon Williams had gone
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: to let's say LSU, because that's where he was rumored
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: to have been considering, then Lane Kiffen and LSU would
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: have been without four million dollars of revenue share money
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: to compensate for what Washington lost.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: You know, that sounds a lot like ladies and gentlemen.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Sounds a lot like.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: NFL stuff, NBA stuff, Major League soccer stuff, soccer overseas stuff.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Where oh man, you lost this guy, here's a compensatory pick.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Here's a way for us to make it right in
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: your world. And look if if that's what has to happen.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: If he had insisted on staying in the portal and
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Washington gets four million bucks back, great, If whoever steals
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: in tam person does their thing is punished four million
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: dollars or even one million dollars, even two million, for
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: half of the contract value, whatever it is.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I'm on board for all that. Guardrails are more in
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: place than we thought potentially, and the demand Williams case
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: closed as far as we can tell.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: So I want to go back to the what you
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: said about Heightner and how this is a guy that
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: likes to litigate this kind of stuff. I wonder if
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: because what because what demon Williams originally chose to do
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: I guess not originally chose to do, because he originally
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: chose to stay at Washington, but then originally when he
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: originally chose to go into transfer portal, despite that that
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: with his agent being like, now now, I can't represent
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: you if that even a guy like like mister Heidner
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: here sees that and goes okay, even I don't feel
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: like I can litigate this if if it's enough for
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: his former agent to be like, I can't touch that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder that. I bet that probably had a factor.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Now, Reddit is not exactly the best source for anything,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: but Reddit has some thoughts about Darren Heidner, who, by
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: the way, is an adjunct professor at Miami all right
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: teach teaching a law class, no doubt, he tweeted out,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: I have been retained as legal counsel for Demon Williams Junior.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: We have no public comment at this time. Updates will
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: be provided as appropriate.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: I don't love the idea of your attorney being like,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: let me get on Twitter and talk about you. So
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: this guy's a he's an interesting cat. I'm sure you'll
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: be seeing and hearing more of his name is. These
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: cases get more and more complicated. But we got to
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: take a break right now. We'll head into hour two
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: and start it out with Sean Sayed from Summer Sports
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Utahs number one Sports ESPN seven ninety two Fast.
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  Speaker 1: The Sean O'Connell Show, You were home of the best
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: inside of your hues. Let's get back to OC from
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• 57:24
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of great football weekends in the year.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know if any are better than this one.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Starting last night, college football playoff semi final, tonight, another
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: college football playoff semi final, this weekend NFL playoff games
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: that you can hear right here on ESPN seven hundred
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• 57:43
  Speaker 4: about those things. Sean Sayed from sumer Sports at say
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  Speaker 4: ed Schemes on Twitter.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Shawn, Welcome to the show. How are you.
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: I'm doing great? As you mentioned, you know, this is
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: going to be a really awesome weekend at football. I
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: think sometimes in a while for weekend and you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: it can be a little bit disappointing. But I'm pretty
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: psyched about all six of these games.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Which one sparks your interest most?
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: The Bill Jaguars one is it's fascinating to me. Look,
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: I think there's a decent argument that either of these
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: teams could win the AFC and for them to have
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: to play in Round one, where Josh Allen of course,
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: is going to get the narrative of all the like
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: Lamar and Mahomes, all these guys aren't in the playoffs.
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: Brow isn't there either. It's got to be your chance
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: but to watch Jacksonville sort of grow this year after
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: really trading for Jakobe Myers, who I think people don't
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: think of as this like top end receiver in the
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: league at all, but to have him un off the
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: offense like I need it now, I really really wouldn't
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: be able to watch it as soon as possible.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Jags are the higher seed, but right now the Bills
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: are the betting favorite, very slight betting favorite, and this
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: game is in Jacksonville.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Does Vegas have it right or wrong?
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: You know? I feel like there's a reason why, you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: Vegas has all of these beautiful casinos and all these things,
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: right like they they get to just their make ever
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: ruins somebody for all these Like I'm glad that I
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: think it builds one and an half right now. Like
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: that I think does make a lot of sense to me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: I feel like, not giving that ag advice, I kind
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: of lean towards the Jaguars though. I just think that
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: the way that they have played defense this year, where
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: they're able to create these explosive you know, turnovers are
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: able to get fats. The linebacks are playing at a
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: high level, and even when the Jaguars offense I think
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: they haven't been able to run the ball that well,
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: which that's where I think the Bill's defense really struggles.
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: I've really enjoyed Liam Cohen for sure. Head coach Saire, well,
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: he's put together on that offense. So I think they're
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: kind of lean towards the Jags a little bit there.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Well, what's the biggest there's a lot of games that
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: the spreads very very close. Here, what's the biggest mismatch
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: in this wild card round for you?
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: I mean it's easy to say the Rams versus the Panthers,
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: like that does really feel like a big, a real,
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: real big one. I think there's a bunch of ones
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: where it's like, like the Texans defense versus Steelers offense,
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: that feels like a mismatch to me where we will
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: get DK metals back. So I think that should open
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: things up at least a little bit for the Steelers.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: But the Texans defense is absurd, like they are a crazy,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: crazy unit. And the way that Aaron Rodgers has wanted
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: to play this year is catch the ball, get it out.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: He wants to keep things moving as quick as possible.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: It feels like, you know, there is a chance that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: the Texans defense can just really overwhelm the Steelers offense.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: When we talk about Texas the Texans defense, you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: there's the team versus the scheme, and obviously a lot
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: of your presence, a lot of what you do. You're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: very good at breaking down schemes and figuring out the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: tactical matchups and things like that. Of course, coaches will
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: always tell you, yeah, x's and o's matter, but players
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: matter even more. How much of their defensive skill, prowess,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: dominance comes from the personnel versus the scheme.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: It's certainly a good amount from the personnel itself. I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: do think the personnel allows you to play a scheme
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: where look, they do get you know, some funky pressure looks,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: but a lot of times they're going to be playing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: cover four. They're going to have forty defenders, they're going
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: to have three underneath defenders. They're going to be able
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: to blitz you with or just not cast the blizzy.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: We're just four pass rushers are going to be able
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: to get after you. So I think because their personnel
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: is so good, they can play a specific scheme that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, they trust their cornerbacks so so much as
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: they should because they're awesome, but I think if you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: ask the coaches there, I think everyone knows that, like,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: you're able to do this because you have multiple All
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: pros on multiple levels in this defense.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: So I'm a forty nine ers guy.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: They start with the Eagles and they're the injury attrition
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: that they've experienced. It's not just a lot of players,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: but it's a lot of really really good players. Did
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: the forty nine ers have a shot against this Eagles team?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, they definitely have a shot. Like I don't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: want to say that, oh this is this is like
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: an easy TZ win, just because the Eagles offense has
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: struggled a lot in situations that they should not have struggled,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: and I love the Eagles defense. I also love watching
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: Kyle fanahand draw things up on So just because we
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: all watched, you know, the Seattle Seahawks be able to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: totally shut down the Samansco forty nine Ers, doesn't mean
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: the Eagles are going to be able to do that. Now.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: I do think that the Eagles are going to win
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: this game. I would be a little bit surprised if
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: the forty nine ers are able to pull up this
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: kind of upset. Just because as you mentioned, I mean
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: that defense like you were online after like six, seven
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: and eight, You're pulling out people from the practice squad
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: for a huge, huge playoff game at the Link in Philadelphia.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: I think it's a tall, tall task. I could see
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: a pass to it, and if that happened, then I'm
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: in the conversations at Philadelphia there there are a lot
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: of ones that are going to be had.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always curious about that.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, we know it's a tough sports market
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: from a fan perspective in Philadelphia, and it wasn't so
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: long ago that everyone was like, Sirianni got to get
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: him out of here. Well, then he wins you a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: super Bowl. People didn't fall in love with Jalen Hurts,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: but then he's a Super Bowl MVP. And it feels
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: like even with those accomplishments, there are folks in that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: group that the city's not sold on yet. How why,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've when they've delivered the ultimate prize?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: How greedy the can you get? As a fan?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: Like I love the city of Philadelphia, I have to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: admit that to you. I spent a lot of time
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: there during my life. I enjoyed talking to people I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: enjoyed talking to the fans. It is. It's kind of awesome,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: like for you to kind of expect this greatness over
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: and over and if he's so spoiled with all these
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: playoff appearances back to back to back to back, seemingly
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: no matter what, and I will say, like, the defense
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: is so good, and with vic Dango there of course
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: at kind of the later part of his career, I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: just don't want to see the defense wasted and like, Okay, look,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: you know we both watch teams every week where team
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: got no chance like that is going to happen, just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: based on the roster, based on situations. But the ego
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: of offense is like the most high, like the highest
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: paid offense in all of football, Like they are extremely talented.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: I think it's more an expectations thing where you don't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: have to be awesome number one, but for you to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: be like leaking outside the top ten with dat grub
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: with hur at the Super Bowl, NDT with Brown, or
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: awesome receiver with Devonte Smith who for a lot of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: teams would be a number one receiver one of the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: most talented offensive lines in the league. I think it's
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 6: like almost an expectations thing. But yeah, you know, I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: can tell my friends that Philly, Yeah, don't forget you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: guys had a super Bowl last year.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Sean say it is our guest here on the Sean
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show talking this upcoming weekend of NFL playoffs, So
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: you know it as well as I, probably better than I.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Quarterback play is everything in the sport of football, and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: you've got an interesting little mix here with this playoff field.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: You've got guys that are already considered among the best
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: in the league but have yet to win their Super Bowl.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: You've got a couple of veterans who have won super
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: Bowls and are kind of the elder statesman here. You
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: got a smattering of young quarterbacks who haven't really really
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: been here before. And it's going to be kind of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: a prove it thing when we talk about the quarterback
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: play specifically, who is going to shine? Who do you
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: worry about?
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  Speaker 6: We just talked about the Eagles that I'm curious, what,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: you know, do we get the jail and hurts just
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: like the playoff runs that he had last season the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: Chargers Patriots game. That's an interesting one for me because
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: those are two quarterbacks that I mean, I just love
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: watching them play football. Like Drake May has played so
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: well this year. To me, he's the MVP of the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: league this season. I think that it's a chance for
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: him to be able to like if you win the MVP,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: makes a little bit of a run in the playoffs
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: in a year where you know, people I think me
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: as they thought maybe you could win some games, but
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: didn't really see you as a contender. To me, like this,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: this could beat the Drakes May playoffs, which is crazy,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: Like this is a year or two and first year
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: it went Rabel for the Patriots who was seeking the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: spoiled franchise. As you go from Tom Brady obviously for
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: such a long time. Yeah, you have a few rough years,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: but now you have a guy in Drake May who
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: has impressed me so much and how he's matured in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: the way that he plays in the pocket. He is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: a super super athlete, but he looks so clean and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: so polished just being a year or two. I mean,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: I just love watching Drake Mett. So that's spot that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at. And do they get bounced on first.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think they'll lose to the Chargers, but could
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: be a fun one going through the playoffs this year.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: What do you expect from the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: I expect the first round loss for those guys. I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: just think it's it's I mean, obviously very appens to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: them that they won the division like that is a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: great accomplishment, But their offense, it's like, well, we need
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: to get the ball, so it can be a low
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: time to throw offense, where like the ball's out right away,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: you're not able to get kind of every part of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: your offense, like the run game. Yeah, I think it
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: had a pretty good game at times against the Ravens,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: but I don't think it threatens people in the same
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: way that you would hope for it to be as
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: kind of the core of your offense. So, I mean,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: I feel like a first round exit And does it
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: have kind of any ramifications or implication. I don't know.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: I think there's a real estate chance that it doesn't.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: And then we kind of, you know, you run it
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: back and then you're in the similar situation where it's like, hey,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: we're kind of nine and eight fighting for the division
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: kind of just like almost as a lifestyle for the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: You don't think that Tomlin feels any heat from that,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: or I guess you would feel it, but you don't
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: think it makes there's a change made. If Mike Tomlin
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: gets ousted in the first round.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: Again, I would I guess I'd be surprised if there
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: was a change because like that, to me, it feels
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: like what happened in Baltimore, Like I think similar things
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: are happening right where It's like is like do you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: just need a new voice? Like is everything kind of connecting?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: But like okay to me, like do you want to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: be kind of a year late or a year early
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: on this? I'm not one hundred percent sure. I think
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: that's for you to choose. I would be curious just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: to just to see Tomlin in a new environment or
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: just to see someone else kind of with that Pittsburgh
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: steel As group, Like what does it look like? You
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: know Tomlin he always has his guys ready to play,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: So that is one thing where you know, if they
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: do find a way to beat the Texans, I guess
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: I'll look like a fool, but I'll feel like all right,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: I mean he just keeps on doing it, so I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: think maybe he feels a little heat, But uh, I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: guess because it just hasn't happened yet. I'm like, all right, well,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: he's just going to be there until the end of time.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Are you a believer in the Chicago Bears, Sean, So, I.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: Love the Shylo Bears offense. I will say that I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: think that I'm excited about how Caleb Williams has grown
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: asing Ben Johnson is one of the ones, like he
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: is a special special play designer and play caller. I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: think though, that the way that they've won so many
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: like not just close games, like crazy close games, like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: the closest of the closest of the closest kind of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: game going down to the wire, and their defense has
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: really been able to play well by creating turnovers and turnovers.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: It's just not always predictable, Like I can't always predict Hey,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: in game number two, you're gonna get three passes that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: just deflect off for receivers hands and end up in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: your hands. So I could definitely see them winning in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: Week one. I'm not personally buying in to the Bears
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: because I think the fundamentals of their team tell me that, hey,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: this is a really strong team. But for them to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: make a run, I think it might be a little
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: bit kind of against what we've seen so far this season.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: I kind of hope they win, though, but it would
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: be fun to just keep Boston Ben Johnson call plays.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: All right, we know that what the playoff field looks
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: like now, But how many teams are actual Super Bowl contenders,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: actual championship contenders in your mind?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: If both the one seeds are are real contenders, I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: think the Seahawks more than the Broncos in my mind.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: I think the Rams are a serious connender. I think
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: the Eagles are a serious contender. And after that, you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: it gets a little like the Bills and the jag
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: They have to be I think real contenders too. So
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: I do think it's It's like a part of me
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: and when I'm watching they are looking at the schedule,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: it's like, well, all these teams could legitimately make the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl, and I kind of think that's true. But
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: then you look at our there is a cure break
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: here where you of course have like the a team
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: like the Seeoffs, the Rams, the Eagles I think on
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: the NFC side, the Bills of Jaguars on the ASC side,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: and the Broncos. That's where I think you know, my
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: head starting to lean.
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  Speaker 3: So you're, if I'm reading you correctly, you think it's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: an NFC winner eventually.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, I've thought about that too hard, But
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: I think so. But it's hard for me to bet
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: against Josh Allen, Like I still kind of don't want
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: to do that. But you know what, I'll say now,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: and I will I will reserve the right to maybe
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: change my mind before the game starts tomorrow, But I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: think so. Like I think the Eagles, if they figured
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: anything out of offensive I've been saying for eighteen weeks
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: and really for three years, like, I think that they
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: still have the ability to get there. And I think
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: maybe if the Rams and the Seahawks play again, the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: winner of that game, I feel like I trust the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: Rams a little bit more. I know Sam Barrel's improved.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: I'd be curious just how his run goes through the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: rest of the season, even with having an awesome defense.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: So I think I'm leading towards the nifty.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean said for another couple of minutes here he's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: from sumer Sports sayad schemes on Twitter. If you're not
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: already following, all right, the the offseason stuff is equally fascinating.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: And some teams are firmly into their offseason now with
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: a need to hire new coaches. A full fourth of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: the is without a head coach. And I've been asking
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: all of our NFL guests this. Somebody calls you tomorrow
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: and says, you can have any one of these jobs,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: which one you're taken? Which is the best available job?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: This is the fantastics. I think you're gonna ask me
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: which I head coach of that I don't want to,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: but in the right spot, the Ravens like the opportunity
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: to work with Lamar Jackson is is thrilling, like I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: think it has to be that before they felt a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: little bit harder. Lets I'm gonna remove the Ravens for
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: guests a second, because part of me thought, all right, well,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: the Falcons are going to be competitive for that division
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: every year, no matter what the Giants like in a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: situation where they do have a bunch of pretty good
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: players on that team and a good draft pickers. I'm
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: not sure you have one hundred percent buy into Jackson Dart,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: but I feel like maybe you know you have the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: roster that can be either. And then Tennessee, I do
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: like camp mood. So I think from the ones that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: are available right now, I mean, I am I am
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: tripping over myself. I am calling my agent's agent to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: call every single person in the state of Maryland about
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: that Ravens job. Thinking about the organizational the infrastructure that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: has built and so strong there and yeah, you start
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: to hear the words coming out about Lamar here and there.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: The guy's went to MVPs, like I could do worse
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: than a quarterback that had two MVPs.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that'd be all right because you picked
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: the Ravens job. Look, we were speaking with a couple
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: of former Ravens and they're like, Dude, Harbaugh, he's such
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: so hard to replace.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: Do they go with like a scheme guy?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Do they go with one of these Wunderkin type play
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: callers or a Jesse Mintor type that's more of like
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: the culture type guy.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: What do you think Baltimore does with that vacancy?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: You know, I would like them to go with Mintor,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: like I really would, because I just I really love
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: what Jesse Minterer does talking to people that have, you know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: have learned from him and have been taught by him,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: and in the way that he looks at defense, and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: I think that he is the combination of a scheme
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: guy and an organizational type guy, where I think his
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: rolodex is going to be pretty big in terms of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: the people he'll be able to bring in on your staff.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: When I look at like his defense and Mike McDonald's defense,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: to me, Mike McDonald is a little bit more or
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: Kennedy like, more showy I think at times in terms
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: of like his fanciness on in the scheme world. But
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: I lean a little bit more towards McDonald, even though
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: I really like minterest as well. So I would like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: to see that. I would like to see that with
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: Mike McDaniel as the offensive coordinator, because we talked about
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: Mike McDaniel and Miami with TUA and you're not able
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: to do this or not able to do that, Mike
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: McDaniel with Lamar Jackson designing the run game. I mean,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: I'm getting excited. You know, I may have to I
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: may have to put some some more thoughts out into
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: the world where it's Minter and McDonald are sign McDaniel
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: together in Baltimore.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Who's going to hire John Harbaugh? Because it seemed like, well,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: I mean hilariously. Right after he was separated from his duties,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: the report came out that there are currently six vacant seasons.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Seven teams have reached out to John Harbaugh already, who's
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: going to hire him?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: Look as a former lawer myself, you know, I do
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: love a little wordplay there where we're really, we're really,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: we're not even hiding the ball, We're telling you straight
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: up for like, for the fun of it. I would
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: love for him to stay in Division and go to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: the Browns. I think that would be pretty cool, just
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: for him to have to play the Ravens all the time,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: because the Giants, it seems like that that is a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: place where it makes sense. Just because I think you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: like your uprooting culture, you are really really changing things
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: in a lot of ways. I'm curious this skizo. Does
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: Harball really want to bring his own general manager? I
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: think he's probably going to have the ability to do that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: So that eliminated that might eliminate New York unless they
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: fired Joe Shane and then move Onston and for Harball.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: Of course, Cleveland has Andrew Berry in place. Even Tennessee, right,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: you have Worganzi in place there. I don't think he's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: going to go to the Raiders because I think he
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: has kind of his pick of multiple places and I'm
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: not sure that's going to be the one that he
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: ends up. So I guess right now I lean towards
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: the Giants, think him and Kevin Stefanski are going to be.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: It's going to be really interesting to see where those
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: guys land this cycle.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Raiders, they've become.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: You know, they're one of the close they are the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: closest geographical proximity NFL team to our market here in
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake, and so there's some interest with that. But
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: it looks like kind of a bad job right now
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: and one of those organizations, akin to the Browns and
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: the Jets, that just can't get out of their own way.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: What's it going to take to turn the Raiders around.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: It's not like they don't have any talent on the roster.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the kind of beauty in the NFL
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: is if you draft a good quarterback, kind of everything
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: solves itself for a lot of points. Yes, you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: you have to put a lot of other things in place.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: Of course, you're you're gonna have to have so many
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: other things go right, for you at different levels to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: really be able to reach the full potential. But yeah,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: the first overall pick, you're probably gonna pick fandom and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: those I assume more more from Oregon, Like that pick
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: is a hit then, I mean that's just like that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: changes your whole franchise. We talk about the Patriots, right,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: you get Greg Mayn there, and now it's like, all right,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: look at that jade nails. Even though last season was
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: such a struggle, that first year was so so special.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: So there thirty two head coaching jobs. Someone's gonna take it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: Someone's gonna be lucky to take it. Decause there are
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: so few and yes, there are a ton of hurdles
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: there to climb, but starts with the quarterback and thens
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: of the quarterback in this league, you hit that pick
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: with like you know, unfortunately, just based on the numbers
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: of how things have worked out, that pick is kind
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: of like like like a fifty to fifty coin flot do.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: No matter what kind of who you pick up that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: spot at the quarterback position, there is a chance that, hey,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: you're turning things around pretty quickly.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: Sean can't tell you how much I appreciate your time today.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Keep up the great work you and everyone over there
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: at Summer Sports has become a huge resource for us,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: so thanks again.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: Thanks so much on Dommy. I'm so excited for this
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: so we can hope everyone has some fun watching at
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: said schemes.
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  Speaker 4: That's SYE D Schemes, Sean said with sumer Sports Football
• 1:16:49
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• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: looks at the game through like a couple of different lenses,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: makes it really really interesting. So go check them out
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: on the old tweet machine. Daily video breakdowns as well
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: from Shan sayet he's got to be like in his
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: twenties former attorney who, much like some people, get out
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: of the corporate world and jump back into the passion
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: of sport.
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  Speaker 3: Really cool.
• 1:17:16
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever experienced the terror and joy of a
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: They yes? Uh the Sun Bowl down in St.
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  Speaker 5: George, Okay. Or they have the Dixie Round Up Rodeo. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: grew up going to that every September. They have the
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  Speaker 3: They might I think they probably do.
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  Speaker 5: Historic Landmarks, so I'm not sure they're changing much at all.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, you're not ever going to be down there
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  Speaker 3: On the road.
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  Speaker 5: But but if you are in September, I do I
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  Speaker 5: do recommend heading out the Sun Bowl and checking out.
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  Speaker 4: The Roundup Proteo while you're there. But yes, they have
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: the trough urinals there. They're far less common than they
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: used to be, the trough journal. But everyone my age older,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: even a little bit younger, has experienced what that horrific
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: thing is like when you go in and it's just
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  Speaker 4: like especially when you're young, you know, and you you
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  Speaker 4: barely are tall enough to use the trough jurinal and
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  Speaker 4: you're standing there and there's no dividers, there's nothing. It's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: just you shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip with a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of grown man eyes forward and up a.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit, even if you.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: If you're feeling still a little uncomfortable with your eyes straightforward. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think the last one that I I think the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: last place I was that still had troph journals.
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  Speaker 5: I think Notre Dame Stadium was the last one I used.
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  Speaker 5: Oh really back when Utah played Notre Dame. It was
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: actually when BYU went out there. Oh okay, I was
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  Speaker 5: working for a local. It was when thirteen twenty was
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: still a thing. Okay, but anyway, shout out to k fan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: such a strange experience. The reason I'm bringing them up
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  Speaker 5: is not just because Valley Plumbing could install one at
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: your house if you want to be that nostalgic. But
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  Speaker 5: you know that the Bills Stadium is new, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they're auctioning off. They're selling the troph journals from the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: old place, from the high Mark Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: I don't look.
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  Speaker 4: I if you have like a big house in the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: ultimate Man Cave, you could do no better than a
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: trophy journal from your from your favorite from your favorite
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: team stadium are they putting Are they slapping a Bill's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: logo on it too, just to show like like, hey,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: this is from high Mark Stadium? I hope so otherwise
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  Speaker 4: people are just gonna be like, why did you get
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: like kind of a nasty old trough urinal, what's from
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: the stadium? It would be a great conversation piece, you know,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: or if you had the man cave four it or
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: are they are they going next level and slapping a
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Patriots logo on there? On the Patriots every time, every
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: time you use the trough journal. If it were from
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  Speaker 4: the old metrodome from Minnesota, I would want it, okay,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: if it were from I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think if Rice Cycles Stadium had trophy urinal.
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  Speaker 4: I never if Rice Cycles ever did, I didn't experience
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: the joy of those in like, and.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, we're getting rid of them. Anyone want to
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  Speaker 5: buy them? You'd you'd take you'd take one off the hands.
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  Speaker 4: The thing is, I have we have a bathroom downstairs
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  Speaker 4: in my house that has like it's kind of a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: weird setup, but has just the right amount of space
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  Speaker 4: that you could fit like one section of troph urinal
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  Speaker 4: in there.
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  Speaker 3: Well that you've thought about this, well, once I saw
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  Speaker 3: that they were once I saw that they.
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  Speaker 4: Were up for at him, that would actually fit right
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  Speaker 4: right there. That'd be uncomfortably close to where the sink
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: is at.
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  Speaker 5: But still I'm gonna have to tell my very new
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: Bills fan wife that this is an opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, and see if she who's never never been to
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  Speaker 4: high Mark Stadium. But hey, she's she's in a house
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: of men. Now you got a son, alright, she's outnumbered.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: She bought him a Bill's onesie, so he's probably a
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: bill He's probably gonna end up being a Bills fan
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: because he's got because he he'll always have something to wear. Yeah,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously he's gonna go o to the onesie.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: But she's gonna keep buying Bill's stuff, of.
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  Speaker 3: Course, all right till the trophy. Arnold might be.
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  Speaker 5: Oh jeez, by the way, for me personally, maybe I'm
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: just too much of a germophobe in this situation. I
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: don't care how many times you, how good you clean
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: that thing, the amount of people that have used that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I want that in my house.
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  Speaker 4: You're in sterile, dude. It's like salt water. All right,
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  Speaker 4: you're fine. It's a little bleach on there. What about
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: the occasional person who uh who wondered after a few
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: too many a few too many beverages. That's not sterile.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: It just turned around and say, don't look away, don't
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  Speaker 3: look at me, sir, Please don't sit in that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Huh huh. Never. I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 4: Never do this, all right, Never go to YouTube and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: type in trough journal, because you'll find people using them
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: as slipping slides on dares.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: It is horrific when college students and inebriated people will
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: do when it comes to the trough journal.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: But don't make it weird. It's not that bad, just
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: just the thought that popped in the old Noggain.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: Vintage toilets are not highly collectible in most cases, but
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: a trough journal from your favorite stadium, especially if you had, like,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: it's a seminal memory when you're a child for the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: first time you can reach you don't have to go
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: into the stall. Your dad doesn't have to take you
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: into the stall, right because you're tall enough now yeah,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: that you're up over the lip and you can just
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: be like, all right, eye's forward.
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  Speaker 3: Son.
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  Speaker 5: Tell you what if the sun bull ever auctions off
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: their trophy urinals. I probably won't. I probably still won't.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: I will also not do that, all right? Cool? Do
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: you remember the name kay Shawn Booty? Yeah?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: So, Kayshawn Boody did an article recent or did an
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: interview recently and talked about a crippling gambling problem he
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: had while he was in college. And he remember he
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: was at LSU before NIL was strictly legal. Not that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: places like LSU were not participating in NIL back in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: the those days, we just didn't call it the same thing.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: Edozeran very famously said, well, the biggest difference used to
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: bring the cash in the back door.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Now they walk through the front door. Oh targets. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: So that guy didn't really make a lot of bones
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: about it, but fascinating stuff. And I love it because
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: it's transparency from an athlete talking about a gambling problem
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: that thankfully he has gotten over.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: It seems he said he was not forced, he was
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: not hustled.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: It's not something where like you know, organized criminals were
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: coming after him. He just got addicted to gambling the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: way that people do, unfortunately. And he had ninety thousand
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: dollars of his own money, which again in college pre NIL.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Where you're getting that money case, Sean Boody, But thank
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: you for telling us the truth. He went broke zero,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: gambled away at least ninety thousand dollars while he was
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: in college.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Terrible. That is gnarly.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: By the way, By the way, going back because you
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: mentioned ed Orgeron, how about how to amplify what Ole
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: Miss did did in the in the playoffs, they said
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Pete Golding is now one of only three SEC coaches
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: to win as many college ball playoff games as he's won.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, Edwards Aron won two. They had to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: win two to win the national championship. Come on now,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: and Golding didn't even win the national championship anyway, Moving on,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: you just.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Wanted to correct that. You wanted to correct the record that.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, just because the guy's tide doesn't mean you
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: should you should dismiss him, and especially because they won
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: the national then the national title that year.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, this is I teased and said some interesting
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: stories and something that are not so good. That one
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: not so great.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: Kayshawn Booty thankfully seems like he's out on the other
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: side of it. Uh never really took off for the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: NFL injuries and that kind of thing really affected him. Uh,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Trinidad Chambliss, we all watched his attempt at heroics last night.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I still think that Golding and everyone else on that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: team is going to play the should have could have wooded.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: They're gonna play the what if game with six seconds
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: left if they had taken another little like quick.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: Out route get out of bound exactly my thoughts. I'm like,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: you had time to get a little more yardage and
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: help that out.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: And again, this is why being good at your job
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: on a broadcast team, I think is really really important,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: because they kind of laid out the whole scenario as
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: we're between plays, right as we're figuring out whether they're gonna.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: Try that or not.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: You get the risk, you get the reward, and ultimately
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: they decided to roll it out and throw it deep
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: and it was past interference, but you don't get pass
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: interference calls on hail mary's and it was still kind
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: of a hail Mary.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: But I don't buy the mutual combat thing that the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: rules analysts said too on that.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, the.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Guy clearly the defender clearly had more of an advantage
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: than the than the offensive player did in that case.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: But anyway, so, Trinidad Chambliss had an unbelievable season and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: he had put in an appeal to get another year
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: of eligibility from the NCAA. So last night he lost
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: the game semi final game. Today he found out that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: his appeal has been denied and he will no longer
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: be eligible. Was this was the appeal after he had
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: already put in the application and they had said no.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: So he's like, well, I appeal. This was the second attempt,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: so very doubtful that he'll even try a third. But
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: he ain't going to get to come back, and that
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: changes their plans, his plans obviously. Trinidad Chambliss was a
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: lot of fun to watch this year. You're not going
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: to see him playing in college football ever again.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: It sounds like, well, and it's a shame because because
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: he he was really fun to watch and this is
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: the first time the nation really got a chance to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: watch him because he was a FCS quarterback before this.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: UH.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: So that that's that's what's too bad about it.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: But also, as I said earlier in the week when
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: we first when this story first came out, that he
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: was appealing the the uh denial from the initial denial
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: from the nc double A dude, you probably shouldn't get
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: another year of eligibility because you played four years of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: NCAA football before this year. And I guess he was
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: a was he a COVID, Hey guy with the extra
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: year there. That way he got a fifth year. But yeah,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you probably it's probably not much of.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: A case anyway. That's probably why I got the night.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I'm sorry to fourteen eighty five because they wanted
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: us to stop talking about the Urinals. But seventy five
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: to thirty five said Rice Stadium had had trough.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Oh did they so? And now he has one in
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: his man cave from when they auctioned him. I hope.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: Architectural salvage, by the way, is a booming business, very
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: very lucrative. Architectural salvage on stadiums could be like the
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: most lucrative, I would think.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: I went to the final game, the final football game
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: at Candlestick Park. I was working out in San Francisco.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Falcons Niners. Unbelievable game, Navarro Bowman heroics. It was Monday
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: night game, right, Yeah, spectacular, unbelievable experience. I randomly ended
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: up standing on the sideline between Steve Young, one of
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: my childhood heroes, and Keishawn Johnson and we were debating.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: I was talking with with keishn Johnson.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: About whether or not Frank or who was a Niner
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: at the time was going to be in the NFL
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: This is whatever. Eleven years ago. It was one of
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: the coolest, like twenty twelve season twenty thirteen, seventy thirteen,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: one of the coolest experiences of my sports life. It
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: was awesome, so cool. So you ended up next to
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: ESPN's studio.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: It was so wild, James, because they were like clearing
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: off the sideline and I took a page out of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: my best friend's book.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: My best friend Trevor, he just like walks.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Into places he's not supposed to be because he just
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: makes it look like he's supposed to be there.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, act like you, act like you've been there before.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: And then the securities is never just like excuse me, sir.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Like he'll nod to people, He'll wave at the person
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: wearing like the security the person who's supposed to keep
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: you out, he like waves at him, Hey, good to
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: see you.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: So they're like, oh, do I work with that guy?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Is that my boss? I don't know, Like I took
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: a page out of that book. Because everyone knows.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: Media availability NFL games, college football games, in most places,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: you get to be on the sideline five minutes before
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: kickoff five minutes before the end of the game, right,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: and then they make you go to the press box,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: they bring you back down after five minutes whatever, and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: I just was like, I'm standing here next to Steve Young.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna stay here until someone tells me not to.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: So I got to be down there like the whole game.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: It was amazing.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: But the reason I was bringing it up is because
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: it was the last game at Candlestick and they had
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: bumped up security. I mean, I'm not joking. There was
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: probably like one event security person there for every four
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: fans because they were so worried that people were going
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: to bring tools in and start disassembling the stadium.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: It was the last game.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: They were like going through your bag back when they
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: still allowed bags in the stadiums. They were like signs
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: all over the place, no tools, You will not be
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: allowed to take any signage, any seats, any of anything.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: They were like you could not walk out the gates
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: with any kind of souvenir in your hands because they
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: knew people were gonna try and strip it. And I thought,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, well eventually they'll sell these things off,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: and so they're just trying to stop people from getting
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: it for free. As far as I could tell, they
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: never sold it off, so ended up in a heap somewhere,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: which is annoying.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: What did you uh? What did you try to get
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: while you're down on the field. I just tried to
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: get stuff. I just uh, I just grab some grass.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Grabbed a bunch of grass. Why do you have a
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: clump of dead grass? Oh, don't worry about it, putting
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: it in my front lawn.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: That's the thing you don't like.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: Would it be cool to have a piece of your
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: favorite stadium? Absolutely?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: But what piece? Yeah, is actually workable?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: I have?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: I have a chair from the old Delta Center. They
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: did like a charity auction for those, one of the
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: green ones.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: I have one of those. Uh, And like that's cool.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: But what you're gonna take the video board when they
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: tear the big down? Like, what are you gonna take?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: I would maybe a pylon for the core or the
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: end zone at a football stadium, put that in your pocket.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, try to at a baseball field, try to cut
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: part of the foul pole netting.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: They always try to grab the bases. People always try
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: to take the bases. I literally steal second base.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: I'm not someone that cares to have like grass or
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: dirt from a stadium like this is from Fenway Park.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: Well, at the end of the day, it just ends
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: up being dirt, and you're like, that's not even cool.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: I don't because guess what.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: You could go get dirt from your front yard, put
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: it in a jar and say this is from Fenway
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: and it looks the same.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: No one would be able to tell the difference. That's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: what sucks about it.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: If you if you had enough of a like mansion
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: that you could put like a you know, a cool sign,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: a locker room sign, anything like that.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: That'd be neat. But I just don't know. Most of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: it's not workable with your home day corps. Yeah. Sorry,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: all right, that's your daily Dump. Oh we got it.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: We we can't end the Daily Dump without the biggest
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: NBA news. What do you mean John Morant from the market.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: We'll talk to offers for John Moranto. We're gonna talk
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: with Sarah Todd about this. Ja Morant, Okay, incredibly talented player.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Ja Morant needs to come to a place like Utah.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: Ja Morant can't get out of his own way.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Can't get out of these circles where people are trying
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: to drag him back into this street lifestyle, the gun stuff,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: although people here love guns.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: But different, yeah, totally different culture than what he has
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: been deal.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: And Ja Morant almost without question would hate living in
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City at first, but it might be the
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: best thing if you if you have demonstrated a lack
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: of the ability to kind of like do it yourself.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: It's why people go to rehab facilities, right, you can't
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: be in your own environment like.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: His NBA rehab is that we're That's what I'm saying,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: let's go.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: You can't if you can't get away from the club lifestyle,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: the street lifestyle, the whatever lifestyle in Memphis, in la
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta, in Boston, whatever. There's a couple of markets
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: in the NBA that are going to make that a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: heck of a lot easier on you.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Right, Salt Lake City, Utah is number one on that list.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Absolutely a little.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: Bit easier in Oklahoma City, although they've got like a
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: nightlife scene, so do we small small Portland Portland is
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: famous for other things that are involved with that night
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: life scene, but probably not quite as aggressive with the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: like violence and gang culture that John Morant has been
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: has not been able to fully extricate himself from. And look,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: I understand why when you're well on some level, I
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: understand why when you're a young person who's athletically successful
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: and everyone you grew up with is not right.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: They don't have what you have.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: You don't want to be the person who leaves everyone behind.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: You don't want to be the person who sells out.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: You don't want to be the person who's not in
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: touch with the neighborhood anymore. I get that you wouldn't
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: want because if that's what made you into who you are,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: into the basketball player, you are, the person you are,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't feel like there's anything wrong with it, you
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like shout Out Country would drive
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: down in Sandy Like if for some reason professionally I
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: had to separate myself from the suburbs, It'd be like, what, No,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: That's that's my roots, man, that's those are my people.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: Why would I want to Why would I want to
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: be away from that? So I get it why athletes
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: fall into that trap. But if you've demonstrated a lack
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: of awareness or ability to pull yourself away it might
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: be in the best interest of yourself, your family, your
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: agent to be like, hey, let's put you somewhere where
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: you can't get into this kind of trouble.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, Baby, Let's go NBA Rehab.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: We need to we need to get a sign on
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: the Delta Center Welcome to NBA Rehab.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: My initial reaction because you you said that right away
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: he should come to Utah.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: My reaction was like, no, you know, you do not
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: want to touch John Morant has become we. You become us,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: we don't become.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: But I said to you, I love the Utah football
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: mindset that you're trying to project onto the Utah Jazz, which,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: by the way, has not had that has not been
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: that different from what he shall not be named established
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: at Utah. At Utah Football, they have always had in
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 5: the time they've been at Utah. I'm talking about the Jazz.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: They've had a great front office all the way down.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: Culture that helps, That has helped guys who maybe have
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: had some check had a checkered pass coming in. So
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: why wouldn't that work for John Moran.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Who on this Jazz team? Is John Morant gonna go
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: out and get in trouble with Huh.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: Lowry Marken is going to show up be like welcome,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: you want to come over for Sunday dinner.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, uh, you want to come hang out
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: with me and the kids? Jeez, Lowry, how old are you?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: You already got two kids? Yeah? Man, we love it
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: with down the mountains here.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: You think Chant George and John Moran are gonna be
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: out there rolling deep, strapped up with guns.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Come on, Kevin Love, Kevin Love, Hey, do you want
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: to come out to Deer Valley?
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: Joe?
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: You want to go golfing? He's just like, what golfing?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: Nurkic You think Big Nurk is gonna be like Hey, actually,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Nark might.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Be the scarious.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: Keep away from John. Okay, NK might be the one
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: bad one for me. All right, So the Griz is
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: a shopping job.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Well, Sarah Toad's going to join us in about fifteen
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: minutes thinking about NBA Rehab Salt Lake City, NBA Rehab
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, making a reality show Real Housewives and
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: following Real Housewives NBA Rehab. It's just Will Hardy.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: Hello, Lowry Market is like that big guy, the wandering
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: oakens from from Frozen.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: You know they walk into the walk into the store.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: He welcome. It'd be great. We've gone a little far
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: afield here.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: We might be bearing witness to the best sports story
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: of the new century. It might be unfolding right in
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: front of us right now, especially tonight. We'll discuss it
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: next on the Sean O'Connell show. You tell number one
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: Sports Talk ESPN seven and ninety TWOFM.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: You were listening to a Sean O'Connell show. It's your
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: source for the best youth football comedy of reach. Here's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Hyundai studio of ESPN seven.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: Am alright, Hyperbole is a thing on sports talk radio. Right,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: we overexaggerate, we overreact, But I really do believe this
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Indiana football could potentially be the greatest sports story at
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: least since two thousand and maybe of the last one
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: hundred years. If they can go from being the losingest
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: program in college football history to a national champion in
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: two years with, by the way, a bunch of guys
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: that they did not buy from a transfer portal. Yes,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: they got guys out of the transfer portal, but they
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: got JM. You guys out of the transfer portal.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: Mendoza came from cal but he wasn't a name out
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: of the transfer portal either. He great and he made
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: him into a highest helped helped make him into a Heisman.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Kurt Signetti does this, I didn't
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: realize this. He doesn't have a GM on his staff.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: Oh really, he's the guy who manages the roster all right,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: old school, which, of course all head coaches manage their
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: rosters to a certain extent in college football, but apparently
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: he does it all. I mean, if Indiana can pull
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: it off, and Oregon's gonna have something to say about it.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Oregon's a really, really good team, and it's hard to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: beat the same team twice in one season.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: Indiana didn't make it look difficult the first time.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: Around tonight seven point thirty Peach Bowl, we'll see it
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: could be one of the greatest stories in American sports history,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: if you can go from being nothing laughing. So, I mean,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: we were joking earlier about if it is Indiana Miami,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: the legacy of football and the players that have come
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: through the University of Miami into the NFL and into
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: the sports lore of our nation, versus the guys who've
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: come through Indiana.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: It's like not even comparable, it's not close.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: And if Kurt Signetti can take that project and turn
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: it into a national champion in such a short span
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: of time, that's as good of a coaching job as
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: we have ever seen in any.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: Sport in history.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: And we were talking about grumpy head coaches at this
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: far in the playoffs, and you were talking about Mario
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: crist Ball being that guy. Signetti is obviously that guy too.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: But I almost like that for this kind of story
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: because he's not the cheesy, gonna gonna lean way too
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: into it that kind of ruins the story in some way.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: He keeps he's this like I don't freaking care, all right.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: He's also humorous about it, yeah, because like he makes
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: that face and people ask him like, are you ever happy?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm happy at times. You know, he
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: leans into it.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: He realizes he's like self aware, but he's not like
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: going on every every chance he gets saying.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: We're the greatest story ever, which can sometimes ruin this
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: for the public. Think.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: I think him being he's a grumpy face makes the
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: story organically awesome.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Still, well, look he said it perfectly in the brevity
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: is the soul of wit. He did it in the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: best way possible. When asked about their first college football
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: playoff win, and they were like, uh, can you believe it?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this is amazing, or I guess it
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: was the conference championship and he's like, well, coach, what
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: does this mean?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: Woll to be and he just said, be a hell
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: of a movie, which, by the way, is such a
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: very specific Indiana thing. It's a nod because, of course,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: the movie Hoosiers is actually more famous for people than
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: Indiana basketball in a lot of households.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and the fact, I mean I didn't even think
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: about this till now, but the fact that the nickname
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: of the college is Hoosiers two where I mean so
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: many levels that works.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a perfect answer. Kurtz Signetti's so fascinating.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Oh and also if you're wondering what kind of effect
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: a brief run or a short lived run like this
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: can have even on the deep seated culture of a state.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've talked plenty of times about how Utah
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: with Ron McBride's success, but then especially with Urban meyers
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: ultimate success, how we switched we flipped from being a
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: basketball state to a football state.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Like it happened all the way. We are no longer
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: a basketball state.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: We are a football state, now college football state at
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: least pro sports. Were obviously still a basketball state. But
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: this is how impactful Indiana football and Kurtzignidi are in
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: the state of Indiana. Right now, the Hoosier State, the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: basketball state, is rescheduling every high school basketball game happening tonight,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: including a bunch of historic rivalry games, crosstown rivalry games,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: so that everyone in the state can watch the Peach Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: I did not know that that really is.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: If that's not an example of how a shift, a
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: major shift, has happened in sports culture, that I don't
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: know what is. That is incredible because Friday Night, we
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: think about Friday Night Lights, We talk about Friday Night
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: Lights as if it's only football. Friday Night's a huge
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: high school basketball thing too, and with it with in Indiana,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: it's got to be some of the biggest in all
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: of the nation.
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  Speaker 3: And yet that doesn't even take precedent.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: Indiana treats prep basketball like Texas treats prep football. And
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: if you told me while the Longhorns are playing on
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: a Friday night. Every high school football game in Texas
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: is being rescheduled. I'd be like, they're not doing that.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: There's no way they do. They've done it in Indiana.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: They've done it. They've moved them all Slate. Not even
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: for the national championship game. We're talking about the game
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: before too. That's for this game because it's on a
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: Friday night. That's amazing. And guess what the national championship
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: games on a Monday night, right, yeah, they'll do it
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: on the Monday night too, if there's any basketball game
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: schedule for that, which is less common.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: How awesome is this?
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: Indiana Kurtz Signetti Mandoza is just like this golden retriever
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: of a human being.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: He's always smiling. My wife gotta look at him and goes, oh,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: he's He's very handsome, he's very cute, and I'm like,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, he can do no wrong right now.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's nothing about him that's that's unlikable, other than
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: did you hear Fritzy on Dan Patrick of course, was like,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: I can't be real.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: I hate that, I hate how happy he is. Can't
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: be real. I'm like, okay, Fritzie would be the one.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: What do you hold on?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: What do you think Fernando Mendoza has to be unhappy
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: about right now?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: And it's okay.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: He probably has one bowling class to stay eligible, all right,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: he has his pick of whatever fair maiden or whatever
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: his preferences. He can be like he is the big
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: man on campus of all big men on campus in
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: the history of his school. Right, He's the Heisman Trophy
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: winner and his team is a favorite to go to
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: and win the national championship, all while he is making
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: absurd amounts of money just by being himself.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: What does he have to be unhappy about?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: And if if that's not enough, he can also brag about,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: how do you see everyone thinks I'm gonna be the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: number one pick in the NFL draft too?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Like that, He's got everything going for him.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: You could not rip the smile off my face if
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: things were coming up O'Connell the way they are coming
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: up Mendoza all year long. Yeah, anyway, we got to
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: take a break. Does Sarah Todd think John Morant would
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: fit in Salt Lake City? NBA rehab question mark? Sarah
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Todd joins us next on The Sean O'Connell Show. ESPN
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  Speaker 4: All right, as expected, Jonah lea Aa Utah, defensive lineman,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: young player with a lot of upside, a lot of potential,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: is headed to the University of Michigan. Commitment announcement came
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: down about twenty minutes ago. Twenty five minutes ago. He
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: will join John Henry Daily and likely JJ Buchanan in
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: n arbor along with the former staff who followed he
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: who shall not be named. Lewis Powell and Jonah laa
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: Aa were particularly close and so there's there's really no
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: surprise here, and that's fine, but just the update as
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Utah figures out how to backfill some of these important positions.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: The Samsula kid from Wyoming uh, Colton Swan and Luther
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: Ellis love the potential of this guy. He's not going
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: to be the same type of player as Vaka Lahi
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: or as Jonah Leaea, but he is. You still have
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: Carson Kalfusi knock on Wood. Far as we know, you
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: still have poopu Cepalona. You still have options and they
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: will continue to bring in more. We're awaiting a little
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: contact with Sarah Todd, NBA insider, Utah Jazz insider, somewhat
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: tongue in cheek obviously my interest in John Morant in
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: a Utah Jazz uniform. But there's been already some interesting
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: movement in player personnel before the upcoming trade deadline in
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: the NBA, where just under a month away from that,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: and you know, Trey Young went to the Wizards. Spence
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: was joking about how nobody ever wants to go to
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: the Wizards, but he's that was a preferred trade destination
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: for him, although I wonder how much of that is
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: you know that they're interested in you and that that's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: a likely place for you to end up, so you
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: realizing it's inevitable, or just like, that's where I want
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: to be, so it doesn't make you look bad that
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: you have to end up in a spot that you
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: didn't want to be. Mammoth and Jazz in action this
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: weekend tonight. Obviously you've got Indiana, Oregon, Oregon. By the way,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: Oregon Utah fans trigger warning. I suppose Oregon has moved
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: a couple of defensive players over to the offense. Safety
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: backup safety and backup linebacker have been moved over to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: be depth pieces, probably honestly, realistically, probably just to run
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: scout reps at running back because you're not really getting
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna give the ball to dudes who just
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: switched from being linebacker last week. Oregon is down to
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: three scholarship running backs for this Beach Bowl that's coming up,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: which can sound dire because they've got five running backs
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: who have yardage and touches and touchdowns this year. But
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: do we really think they're gonna use more than five
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: running backs or more than three running backs? I should say, oh, there,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: it is right there. The big question for Oregon here.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: Noah Whittington has an injury that it's gonna make him
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: a game time decision. He's been listed as questionable. Jay
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: Harris is available, Deer Hill Junior is available. Jordan Davison,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: who they were going to talk about playing, has an
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: injury and he's in the transfer portal, as.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: Is the Lamarket in the transfer portal.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: So Oregon is at less than full strength tonight, and
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: that's not easy against this Indiana team, an Indiana team that,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: as I will reiterate, could wound could wind up being
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: literally the best sports story in recent memory if they
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: could pull off a national championship after when Kurt Signetti
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: took that job, Indiana was the losingest program in the
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: history of Division one football. They were it was the
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: worst job available. You couldn't get a worse one from
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: a history standpoint, Indiana Oregon tonight, and that's not on
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: ESPN seven hundred d that's on that's on the fan,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: so that if you want to listen to the radio
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: side you head over there. Yes, in television of course,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: five thirty five thirty tip offs.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: So I feel like now, obviously the nation or the
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: local interests in the National Championship game is higher than
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: it probably has ever been for a national championship game
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: because Miami is playing in Miami, it's a home game
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: for them. But nationally, I feel like you have two
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: of the best stories in recent memory in college You
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: would have had two of the best stories in recent
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: memory in college football going head to head if ole
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: Miss had pulled that out last night. Obviously Indiana's is
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: more historic, but ole Miss because of current stuff that's
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: happening with that program, if they had pulled that off
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: beating Miami last night, come and come back, if if
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: they if they had the guts to throw the pass
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: interference flag and give them another chance, or if you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: come with stribbling the receiver somehow comes down with that,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: with that pass that went over his head, you'd have, like,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: I think the national interest in this game probably would
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: have been higher in the sense that for the people
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: who love underdog stories. Right in Indiana, the ultimate historic
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: underdog and Ole miss because they their coach just left
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: them hanging out to dry, the underdog of the moment too.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: I feel do you feel like people are rooting for
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: Oregon that people like if we took a poll, and
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: I guess we can that people in the state of
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 5: Utah want to see Oregon win more than they because
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: there is at least you know, Utah high school kids
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: have gone to play for Oregon. That's a conference opponent
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: for years that you had like some good battles with,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: but never really any kind of venom or vitriol. If
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: it feels to me like the sense that you need
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: a West Coast team to win a national championship to
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: combat the narrative of the fact that, like football soft
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 5: west of the Mississippi, when was the last West Coast
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: We hear that all the time in college basketball, they haven't.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: West Coast hasn't won since UCLA in the mid nineties.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: You don't hear that much in college football.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: Well, it would be USC, but that was a long
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: time ago too.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Washington played for a national championship, didn't win it.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: Oregon played for a national championship, didn't win it. So
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: USC would have been in the West Coast team, the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: last West Coast team to win one.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: It's interesting because it's not as if USC football is
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: a lower brand in football compared to UCLA is in basketball.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: I wonder why we don't really talk about that very much.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I spent seven years talking about it
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: because the back twelve you're battling this perception with the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: Pac twelve that, oh, you can't get the same kind
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: of d lineman, which, by the way, drives me insane
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: because look, so this narrative that was perpetuated for so
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: long in college football and still continues with Big ten
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: and SEC people, Well, you just don't have the horses,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: You just don't have the players.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: Out there.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: The University of Utah lost two high value defensive tackles
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: and a high value defensive end in this transfer portal cycle.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Did those people go to West Coast teams?
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: Did those people end up staying in the Big twelve
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: conference and playing for like a Texas Tech. No, for
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: the narrative to be, you just don't have the kind
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: of especially very specifically offensive and defensive linemen is what
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: people use to criticize the Big twelve now the same
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: way they use it to criticize the Pac twelve.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: Or you just don't have the horses. Really, then why
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: do Big ten schools.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: Want Dallas Vakolaki Like, of course the Michigan guys because
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: of the link with the former staff at the University
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: of Utah, But why does Penn State want a Utah
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: defensive lineman? If West Coast teams, Western United States teams,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: Big twelve teams don't have the horses to compete at
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: the top level in the trenches, why would.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: Penn State be coming after guys here.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: Why would they be talking to John Henry Daily before
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: he signed with Michigan. Why would Michigan feel like, yeah,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: that's a great fit here. If it's you don't have
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: the right people out there. I hate that narrative with
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: a deep, deep passion, and you know where it comes from.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: It comes specifically from USC because people in the South
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: and people in the Big Ten look at every team
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: west of the Mississippi, and now Oregon has put themselves
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: into the conversation, and very very briefly, Washington put themselves
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: into the conversation and have since exited that conversation again.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: Maybe they'll come back, come back around there. Hopefully they
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: can come back around.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: Even when it was Arizona State surprising everyone and winning
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: the Big Twelve championship last year, people are just like,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: they don't have upfront, they don't have what it takes,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: and they came very close to beating a good Texas team.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: But it's because the reason this narrative exists for West
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: Coast teams is because people look at what USC used
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: to be versus what USC is now and they're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: the only reason USC doesn't have those guys is because
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: they don't exist, Otherwise USC would have them. It's the
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: most inane and ridiculous argument that still plagues Utah, still
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: plagues BYU, still plagues Colorado, right It makes me so
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: upset because the SEC thinks that they've got some exclusive
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: on big athletic humans playing defensive line. Do they have
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: a greater depth of it at Georgia and at Alabama
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: than most teams do?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Has Florida done really well in some years in
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: Florida State? Sure?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: Would I take Utah's defensive line any given year over
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: like oh, missus defensive line most years?
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yes, Miami had an incredible defensive line this year.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: That's why they're back where they were at Have they
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: had that in the last thirty years, the last twenty
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: five years, No, they haven't. They finally get it all
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: put together. You got me on a soapbox here, and
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: it's making me really really upset.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean counterpoint, it's it's Penn State really a
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: big ten program with a big twelve head coach. Now,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: oh see, that's why they want Dallas Baucalagi because they're
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: because they're not really a big ten program.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: Well, that's actually probably a decently compelling argument because did
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: you see how many players left Iowa State to go
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: to Penn State.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like all the good players.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: Nineteen players committed on like the opening weekend of transfer
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: portal from Iowa State to Penn State.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: Pretty crazy.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: Back to this college football playoff as ESPN and everyone
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: else gets you ready for in Indiana shows, he's mean, mug,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: villain face.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. So oh see.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: I feel like I'm gonna make a parallel for my
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: own sports fandom here. When the Rays first won the
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: American League and they were the when they were the
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: Devil Rays, they were the laughing stock of baseball. We're
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: one of the worst teams ever, it hadn't been around
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: for that long, but one of the worst winning percentages ever.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: Then they they they burst on the scene late two thousands,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: win the Al East, win the American League. Beat my
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: Boston Red Sox. I rooted so hard against that because
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: it's like, who are you. It's almost like what you
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: were saying about your tongue in cheek agism, Like the
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: younger kid that's supposed to be in charge of you.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: Now you're like you're not. I don't want you to
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: be You can't be in charge of me. It was like,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: you can't, you can't, the Rays can't be good.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: I hate that.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: It's weird now and maybe it's just a sign of
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: my own maturity. I'm not necessarily like rooting hard for
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: Indiana to win it all, but I don't care that
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: they that they upstaged the buck Eyes this year. I
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: don't care that much about it. I'm obviously I would have.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: I was disappointed when when I was State didn't win
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 5: the Big Ten and Indiana beat them. But I'm like,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: nowhere near as much of atriol I had for the
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: race when they were bursting on the scene, and I
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: feel like the Indiana is is like that Rais team,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 5: and I just I'm like, what, I like, go ahead,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 5: man win the national championship.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: It's fine, especially now the Buckeys are out, Well, go ahead.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: I would love to take this poll nationally in every
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: market because I think that if you live in the
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: state of Florida, or if you're in Louisiana, you're in Georgia,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: you're in Ohio, you're in Michigan, you probably don't like
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: this final four field very much. I guess the exception
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: of maybe Florida might be a bad example, because there's
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: plenty of Miami fans in Florida. But from a brand standpoint,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: this is like the weakest final four from just a
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: branding standpoint, this is the weakest final four that we
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: can remember in recent memory. And I'm talking about the
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: final four in basketball or the final four in football.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have. I mean, Miami's kind of a blue
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: blood ish brand, but they're not a blue blood.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they they had a twenty year run where they
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: were and then they exited that.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: Oregon is a new blood. They're not a blue blood.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: They're trying, they're behaving like blue bloods. They're spending like
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: blue bloods. They've had a lot of success, but not
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 4: the ultimate success. So Oregon's a new blood. They've had
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy winner, like they're they're in the conversation. They're
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: a great brand from a merchandising standpoint, they are the
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: best brand in college football.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: But they're not.
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  Speaker 4: Steeped in tradition, and it's they're not part of the
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: old boys club that has had like a stranglehold on
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: national championships in college football for the most part, and
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: by the way, has had a stranglehold in most years,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: more years than not, on things like the postseason awards,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: things like the Alband Trophy that Utah got won this year,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: things like the Heisman Trophy.
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  Speaker 3: It's been like you shuffle it around every couple of years.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have Lamar Jackson type, but it's been the
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: Florida guys, the Ohio State guys, the Alabama guys, the
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: LSU guys, like and now in Indiana, dude won the
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: Heisman Trophy and they might win a national championship.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: And now Oregon could.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: Finally get over the hump and win a national championship
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: in Miami, could put themselves back in that picture. And
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: people are probably hoping for that, Like the old guard
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: is probably hoping for that because they're like, oh, well,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: we're not letting some new kid in.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: We're just readmitting a team that that went away for
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: a while. You know, at least we know them. And
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: Ole miss Ole miss is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know where to even put them because they're
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: adjacent to a lot of this, but they're not in that.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: Whenever you say the great teams in the SEC, you
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: say Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida probably still they have that tradition.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: And then your next tier, and I'm just talking about
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: conversational perception. You're probably going Florida and you're probably just
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: from a fame standpoint, you're probably mentioning Tennessee next.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, from an actual who is the best teams this year?
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  Speaker 4: Standpoint, like Vanderbilt belongs in there, Ole Miss belongs at
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: the top, right, But from a hey, who are we
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: talking about? Standpoint, you're not putting really any of three
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: of these final four teams. You're not putting them in
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: those conversations most years. And so if you're in those
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 4: like Ohio state type markets, Michigan type markets, you probably
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: don't love it. But if you're anyone else in college football,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: you should love this final four field, even if your
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: team's not it.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: And I wish Utah was in it.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: Obviously, I would have liked to see Texas Tech account
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: better for themselves than they did in the playoff. But
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: an eventual national championship could come out of this final four.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: And I guess now it's final three because Ole Miss
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: got eliminated last night. That if Indiana or Oregon wins,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: it's a proof of concept type thing for everyone else,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: especially if it's Indiana.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: For everyone else, like, hey, police knocked on the door
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 5: over the last fifteen years, this was not accessible to
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: you before, but it can be now.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: Oregon is a harder one to relate to because if
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: Oregon wins, we're gonna give Dan Lanning some credit, but
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: we're gonna give Phil Knight most of the credit.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: We're gonna say, well.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: Oregon won because they bought this and finally final and
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: so it's harder to relate if you're a Utah fan,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: it's harder to relate to Oregon, even though you've played them,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: you know what their fan base is about, and stylistically
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: you can you can do some of the same things.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: It's easier to relate to Indiana because you're like, well,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: if Indiana can do it, so can I. And maybe
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: you don't have that feeling about Oregon, and you probably
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: don't have that feeling about Miami, but you would have
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: had that feeling about Old Miss. If Ole Miss can
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: win a national championship, so can Utah. If Indiana can
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: win a national championship, so can Utah. If Oregon can
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: win a national championship after trying and trying and trying
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: and trying with the right amount of support, so can Utah.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: If we were talking about Alabama, Ohio State, whoever else,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: the Blue Buds that were in this college football Playoff
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: emerging to this point and narrowing it down this far.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, when I watch it, of course it's college football.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: It's by number one Sports Love, but I'd be looking
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 4: at it and just saying, like, man, it sucks that
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 4: there's a gap between these teams and even the Texas
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: text of the world. It sucks that Ohio State is
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: this insurmountable thing. And even though Indiana is better than
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: Ohio State this year, because it's Indiana, and because Indiana
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: was nothing three years ago, you can look at it
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: and say, if they can do it, so can we.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: It's like an inspiring, energizing thing in college football that
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: right now the favorite to win the national championship is
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: a team that three years ago was a laughed at,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: overlooked I don't even care about watching your games type program, losingest,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: still the losingest program in college not anymore Northwestern anymore.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, all because of this team, because of the last
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: two years.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: Because of the last two years. Kurt Signetti took them
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: from being the losingest team. His impact, some of these
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: transfer guys he brought from JMU, Fernanda Mendoza in company.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 4: They took it from being the worst franchise right the
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: worst program in the NCAA history into now being I
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: think the second or third worst program, but a national
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: championship favorite.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: And by the way, your starting point if you're.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: Utah, is a lot, lot, lot lot higher than where
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: Indiana's starting point was.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you just.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 5: You're probably never gonna have this support that Oregon has.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: But if you just have that much more resources here
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: in Salt Lake City up on the hill, you you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 5: should be. You should see if Indiana wins the National championship,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: you should look at that.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, did you know much more support and say, yes,
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: that can be us.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: Did you know Mark Cuban was in Indiana lum I
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: didn't know until earlier this year, and he was, and
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: they were talking about him being a benefactor for Indiana football. Yeah,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: he wrote another check like this week and the comment
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: that he gave was, well, they're happier this year than
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: they were last year.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: So Mark Cuban is just like, hell, yeah, dude, you're
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: gonna win. There you go.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: And that's that's one of those things, there's this chicken
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: in the egg argument. You start to win and all
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, the support is there. One of Miami's
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: big supporters by the way, is a guy who's a
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: real estate mogul who's.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: Very, very in the fight world.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: He owns the gym American Top Team down in South Florida,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: where I mean it is the best gym in the world.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: It's like they produced something like thirty UFC belts. They
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: produced like ten PFL belts. I mean, it is the
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: best gym in the world. And he is the owner
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: of it. And he's a huge Miami supporter. He's a
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: huge Miami booster. He's a billionaire through real estate, commercial,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: real estate, whatever. And he's that guy that when you
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: see the fruits of your labor, when you see that
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: your funds are actually translating to more success, you don't say, yeah,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: I've always given a million dollars a year. I'm gonna
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 4: keep giving you a million dollars a year. Now that
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: you're instead of being an eight and four Miami team,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: now that you're a twelve to one Miami team. Whatever,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep giving you this much. I'll keep giving
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: you that same million dollars. No, they these people, these supporters,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: the Mark Cubans of the world, they go, holy cow,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 4: with my million from last year. You did this what
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: will happen if I give you five million this year?
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: What are you gonna do with that? And that's where
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: these coaches can see things change so rapidly, and that's
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: where if you're a Utah fan, you're hopeful that Morgan Scaley,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: who has great relationships with the booster bass, that some
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: of that booster base. According to conversations we've had in
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks, maybe we're starting to fatigue
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: a little bit on supporting the program under the old regime.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: Now they're like re energize and if you can win,
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: if Morgan Scalley can win this year, next year, the
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: next year, that support is going to increase. And to
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: say you can do what Indiana has done, that's probably
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: a little bit lofty. But Indiana started from a lower
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: point than Utah does. More then BYU has to. Indiana
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: is starting from a point where like who would be
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: the closest, it's like Houston as a football program West Virginia.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: Utah's way above that starting point. All right, the airing
• 2:12:13
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• 2:12:25
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• 2:12:27
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• 2:12:29
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  Speaker 1: The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of grievances.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: I got a lot of problems with your people. Now
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: you've been about them. Did you write the Book of Love?
• 2:13:03
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• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: seventy five sixteen. My grievance is with pedestrians in parking lots.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: So we've had a lot of grievances similar to this,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: the car pedestrian conflict. My guy is a tale as
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: old as time. All right, my style of grievance. I
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: love this, My grievances with pedestrians and parking lots. Why
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: do you always have to be in the way. You
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: are surrounded by dozens of cars. You forget that people
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: are trying to pull out of a stall or trying
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: to navigate the parking lot.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Get out of the way and get off your phone.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: I will echo this grievance, and I'll tell you very
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: specifically where I will echo this grievance. Okay, nearly every
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: parking lot you will ever be in in your life.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: The spot the lanes between parking spots are effectively as
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: wide as a two way street. Right, you can always
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: drive both ways in a parking lot. Most of them
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: are designed successfully so that you can be driving into
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: or out of. You drive right past the car, give
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: a little head nod, give a little wave. Right, it's
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: a broad avenue, okay. But what people like to do
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: when they get out of their cars to walk into
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: the TJ Max. The one over in sugar House is
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: the worst one, by the way, When people are in
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: the target parking lot to get out of their cars right,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: and they'll be like three people and they they somehow
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: fan out wide enough that they're obstructing both lanes of
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: parking lot traffic as they're meandering towards the storefront. If
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: you just hug up along the bumpers of those cars,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: go single file. Now, if you have children, I get it.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: You gotta hold hands. You gotta walk at least side
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: by side in those cases.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 5: When corralling the kids before you're able to get the
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 5: hand holding the safe practices done.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always be extra cautious around kids in parking lots.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: They're unpredictable. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about adults.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: They'll get out right, somebody gets out of the driver's seat,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: somebody walks around from the passenger seat, even if it's
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 4: a couple, that's just insanely in love. They choose that
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: moment to not be close to one another. They're spreading out, man,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: they're walking, They're like fingertip to fingertip, and you're going
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 4: behind them carefully, slowly, maybe give a little pepper, little
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: little perfer. Okay, watch out and then they look over
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 4: the shoulder at you, and only then do they get
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 4: out of the way. So, yeah, if you're a pedestrian
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 4: in a parking lot, just watch out, man, because nobody
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: likes spending a lot of time parking the car. You
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 4: want to get into that lot, You want to find
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: a spot, and you want to get out of.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 6: Your car.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: And shout out to Jordan from Eagle Mountain for sharing
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: Who that is?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've found a way on our text line to
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 5: actually like save people as contacts here and people have
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 5: won prizes, you know, we have to get their name
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 5: and an address. So I've got I've been able to
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: be a nice labeling system for us so we can
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 5: shout out some names instead of just instead of just
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 5: phone numbers now. So so shout out to Jordan from
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 5: Eagle Mountain for that one.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I The other thing about parking is there's a there's
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 5: a fair amount of them that have that. They they
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 5: put that sidewalk in that's between the two cars, the
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 5: middle of the parking lot. Usually now like a large
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 5: store has that big sidewalk.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: They use the sidewalk.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but but it's that's not been that
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 5: sort of thing hasn't been around all that long. So
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 5: I think people are like, I just I'm just safe
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 5: walking in parking lots still, but just like, just use
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 5: a sidewalk if it's there.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: Sixteen twenty four grievance.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: Could people in the media, both local and nationals, stop
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 4: telling us how we should think.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: If I want to hate he who shall not be
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: named for leaving, I have that right.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 4: Also if I hate the concept of the jazz tank
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 4: again for a pick that may be that may be
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 4: great or maybe horrible. It's fun of the root for
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 4: the team to win and grow. I can think whatever
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 4: I want. So stop telling me how to think. I
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: understand your grievance. I'm not gonna stop telling you how
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: to think.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: Sorry, especially when it comes to the jazz thing, where
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 5: it's it's just like and here's okay.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: Let me let me have a response to.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 5: This line of thinking if you already know and you're
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 5: deciding to think differently. I don't think we're talking to you.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: I think we're talking to the people who don't know.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 5: We're trying to inform a lot of the time.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: Uh, I'm just like kind of a bossy jerk.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: So I will I I all the time on this
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: show tell people how they should think and what they
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: should do and how they should act as fans and
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: things like that. That's fine if you don't like it.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: I'm okay with you not liking it. I want you
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: to disagree with me and yell at your your radio.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 4: I just want you to keep listening, and you can
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: tell me if you disagree with me. That's fine with
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: me too.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: The specifically, this is one that is very very raw
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 4: for people right now because of he who shall not
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: be named going to ann Arbor, and I have been
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 4: telling people, don't you can't hate him.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: Don't don't hate him. He helped you get to where
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: The expectations, the fun, the memories, all that stuff was
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: provided at least in part by this individual.
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  Speaker 3: Just because they're gone now and it didn't end the
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: way you wanted it to.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like doesn't entitle you to have like real venom,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 4: real anger toward that person. So I have been telling
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 4: people be optimistic, be happy, move on, and when the
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: time is right, celebrate the return and the statue that
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: is eventually put up. Now is not the right time
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: for that. I fully acknowledge it. We're now talking like,
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: wait till he retires for good. Probably the clock is
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 4: going to be reset now. It's like it was going
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: to be within three years. Now it's like ten years. Hence,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, it's the Philip Rivers effects.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 5: Hey, you signed a contract now, now you gotta wait
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 5: five more years before you're eligible for the Hall of Fame.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 5: And listen me personally, I'm I'm I'm with all the
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 5: people that hate him, that hate that enough to say
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to root for I'm not going to
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 5: root for him anymore because now he's at the program
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 5: that shall not be named.
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  Speaker 3: For me, that's cool, don't root for him, No, that's
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: tongue in cheek, like.
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  Speaker 6: I.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't, if you're if you're mad enough at
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 5: his decision to leave, then fine, But I did. It's
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 5: very it's incredibly short sighted, and I think pretty immature.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 5: Emotionally immature to be like, well, none of what he
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 5: did matters anymore. We're all in on Morgan Scalley. He's
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 5: the he's the reason they had all we had, all
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 5: this success. It's like, just can you not celebrate his
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: legacy and also be mad at him for the way
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 5: he went out and taking the other job.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can do that. I think emotionally mature
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: adult can do that. Don't cry that it's over, Smile
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: because it happened. Yeah, there you go.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 4: Grievance from forty six to eleven. Grievance with the AI
• 2:21:00
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• 2:21:02
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• 2:21:05
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• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: to speak with a human, especially when your flight gets
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 4: canceled and you're trying to reach a human. It's so frustrating. Okay,
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 4: here's the life hack that probably all of you know.
• 2:21:17
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• 2:21:21
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• 2:21:26
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• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Delta. I fly a lot of Delta.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 4: Delta's app has a messenger for a thing on it
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 4: that starts with this, But this is what you do.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna call or you're gonna be on one of.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: Those messages where you're texting back and forth or emailing
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: back and forth, especially immediately, just say representative. The prompt
• 2:21:53
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• 2:21:55
  Speaker 4: speak to a representative? And you say yes, and then
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 4: boomed two steps. You're talking to a person.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: Whether that person is gonna help you or not is
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 4: sometimes even dicier than if the robot can.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 3: But Delta is the best man. Shout out to Delta.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: You should start advertising on my show because we shall
• 2:22:17
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• 2:22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Curtis from Kaysville with that, With that grievance, shout
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 4: out to Curtis grievance, I'm sad about JJ. Okay, I'm
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 4: sorry about that.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a valid grievance.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 4: I'm having to use airing a grievance. Utah fans that
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: are talking bad about He who shall not be named
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 4: read a post today giving all the Utah success to
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: urban and completely dismissed He who shall not be named. Okay,
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: that's just silly. That nineteen forty three. If someone is
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: like urban Meyer was important for the two years he
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 4: was here, you can give too much. People don't realize this,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 4: or people I think realize it but don't remember it.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: When urban Meyer left the University of Utah, your expectations,
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 4: your view of your program was so low that you
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 4: were not mad at him at all. You're like, Wow,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 4: this guy, we were lucky to have him for two years.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 4: He took his entire offensive staff with him, and if
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 4: you remember, he had also secured like the number eight
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 4: recruiting class in the country at that point. I mean,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 4: there were dudes that would never even have considered Utah
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: that were committed to Utah. And guess what happened with
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: every damn one of them. Every single one of them
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: went to Florida and none of you got mad. Not
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 4: one person got mad.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 5: Who's the biggest do you remember biggest name that we
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 5: know from those Florida teams that was committed to Utah.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: There was a kid named Portis, Josh Portis or something
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: like that, who's like.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: A I don't think it ever worked out, but he
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: was like the number three were like quarterback recruit in
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: the country or so I didn't.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that that makes sense in hindsight, but
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that he had pulled down that good
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 5: recruiting class they took with him to Florida. That, Yeah,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 5: I'm like, did Percy Hart was Percy Harvin initially commit?
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: I mean he was a ya a bunch of these
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: dudes that were supposed to come to Utah and they
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: all just went in florio He was not, but like,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 4: and he took Ryan Smith, who was an unno the
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: jazz owner.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: He was not not that Ryan Smith.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: Different Ryan Smith, he was an unbelievable corner took him,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 4: and I thought, and I think he tried he was
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: gonna take Paul Krueger, but Paul went on a mission.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: Ah like so but everyone was just like, thanks for
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 4: your service, Urban, Yeah, And it was it was because
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: it was because you had such a low opinion of,
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 4: even as a Utah football fan, of where you belonged
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: on the national landscape. All of us back then were like, well,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: of course he's got to go to Florida. And of
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 4: course all these players would rather be at Florida than
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: at Utah. I'm not mad about any of this.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: Of course, his assistant coaches are gonna go.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 4: The only reason you feel the way you do about
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: He who shall not be named is because you fell
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 4: in love and because you know that he puts you
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: in a place where you get to have those expectations.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: Now you get to feel that how dare you do
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 4: this to us? Because in two thousand and five, no,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 4: not one person felt that way. There was not one
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 4: article written about well urban, how dare you leave to Florida?
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: What do you think you're doing? Your legacy here is
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 4: now damaged. Everyone was just like, thank you for your service.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: By it is wild.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 5: How expect how expectations change, how we react to things.
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely ninety seven eighty four, twenty twenty seven, Winter Classic
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: should have been front page news all over Utah. It's
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: a huge event for us.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: Here are you airing a grievance because we opened the
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 4: show the following day and.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 5: It actually is about front page of our website. If
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 5: you want to listen to the old press conference, my.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 4: Grievance might be turned back on you. Ninety seven eighty four.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: I think that you just admitted you didn't listen to
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 4: the show the day after. Hey, why'd you dome on?
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 5: Also if you watch the Mammoth broadcast, which of course
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 5: they're going to make the biggest deal out of it,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 5: it's their event. But I watched the Mammoths broadcasts that night,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 5: it was they made a huge deal out of it.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 5: They made it sound like everyone in Utah was talking
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 5: about it, which a fair amount of people were. So
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 5: I think I we certainly were the exception to that.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 5: I can't speak for everyone else, but I think that
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 5: in general we did make it as big a deal
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: as absolutely as it absolutely is. The other thing about
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 5: it is we're new to We're new to this NHL thing, right,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think there I would venture a guest that
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 5: there's still many thousands of people who are sports fans
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 5: who didn't who aren't familiar with the Winter Classic.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: So this is a new thing.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 5: So we're not going to be as excited as as
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 5: like if the Colorado Avalanche got the Winter Classic, right,
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 5: that's fair to fair to say.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: Uh fifty one to thirty eight grievance. People who spin
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 4: or blow spout rockets on the ground are on pathways
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 4: where people walk. Last thing I wanted to step in
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 4: today at the gas station, Oh, that's gross. Into a
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: bush people, all right, not where anyone's walking, or at
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: least have the courtesy if you do, you know, smear
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 4: with your shoe.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 3: Gross. Oh gross.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: Also, by the way, just like any text thread, it
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 4: shows the last thing fifty one to thirty eight. Fifty
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: one to thirty eight really has a problem with uh,
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: with boogers because the last grievance that came in November
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 4: fourteenth greevance handkerchief users. My gang reflex automatically kicks in
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 4: whenever I see someone empty their nasal contents into a
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 4: small cloth, then they folded up and put it back
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: in the pocket. I think your a grievance might just
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 4: be with mucus. I think I think you might just
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: hate snot period. Oh that's so funny.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 5: Grievance against handkerchiefs right there. All right, this is amazing, uh.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 4: Forty three fifty nine grievance with the fact that I'm
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: using the Voldemort thing.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 3: Look, it's a bit okay.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 4: People are really sick of hearing about the Michigan head
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: coach on a Utah station, and I'm fine with that.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 4: So we're using a little comedic bit here and we're
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 4: saying he's Voldemort. Now he who shall not be named.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you airing your grievance. I'm still gonna run.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 5: With it at the is is that the one who
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 5: who said his name a lot in their in their
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 5: previous grievance and you and you edited it by saying
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 5: you should not be named. I was wondering if they
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 5: might text backing no grievance. Why aren't you reading that?
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 5: She reading the text like I wrote it, Brian Brown
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 5: said in a Brown Bears Brown Bear did he? He said,
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 5: we having to spend an an ordinate amount of time,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 5: James and oc having to spend an orton amount of
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 5: time every show trying to explain to adults why they
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 5: need to behave like adults when other adults make adult decisions.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 5: Shout out to brown Bear. Yeah, he like what I
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 5: was saying, Like, let's just let's have a little of
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: maturity here. When someone makes a decision to leave your
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 5: favorite team and they take people they know with them, like,
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 5: it's okay, it's okay to be mad, but it's it's
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 5: not okay to say.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: I never liked them, like when that's absolutely not true.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 4: Come on, it does remind me of you know how
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 4: like your your ex girlfriend is always crazy. Yeah, oh
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 4: she was crazy. By the way, I'm incredibly guilty of
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: this person who has I've been in a relationship and
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 4: it has not worked out with that person.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: It's because of them.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 4: When if you ask me, I'm all just like, oh, yeah,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 4: I never should have been dating that person.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: That was a terrible decision. That's how people are feeling
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: right now. And I get it.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, but that's how you know it
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: mattered when you can't, like I know, you can't just
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 4: just moved stared in the face and be like, Okay
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: he goes at least, I'm gonna wish him well.
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 3: At least.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine if if the USC job had opened
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 5: up and he went there, at least, it's like it
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 5: would be that much different. I mean, it's it's still
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 5: not the same conference, but the vitriol that that we've
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 5: grown to have against USC in this market, that'd be
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 5: I feel like for.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: Me it would be kind of the same. Yeah, he
• 2:30:49
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• 2:30:50
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• 2:30:54
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