Latest / Faithful Fitness With Coach Alex VanHouten / Freedom From Depression Starts With God's Truth with Dr. Chigozie Nwosu

Transcript

Freedom From Depression Starts With God's Truth with Dr. Chigozie Nwosu · Faithful Fitness With Coach Alex VanHouten

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast for my Dad. Coach
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Alex Van Houghten helps you get stronger and mind, body
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: and spirit. He believes that your body is a temple,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: so taking good care of it is an actual worship.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: I should know.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I live with them. Every week. He brings truth from
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: the Bible too of some science and stories that will
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: set your heart on fire. May God bless you to
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: become everything He made you to be, just one percent
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: better every single day.
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: What's up, guys, This is coach Alex man how on
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: the Faithful Fitness Podcast. I'm so excited to spend time
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: with you today and for our awesome guest that I
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: have for you today. I'm joined this morning by and
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do my best not to mess your
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: name up by doctor chi gooset Wassu and please correct me.
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: How do I say it right?
• 0:49
  Speaker 4: Dot Chigazi Musu and you were just.
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: Telling me free show, but I want the listeners to
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: hear it. What so I'm an English slash Spanish speaking person.
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: What what is this? This name from? What's the dialect from?
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: And then we'll get into the awesome conversation we're going
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: to have today.
• 1:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, this name is an Ebon in one of the
• 1:09
  Speaker 5: Nigerian languages is Ebo, because I'm Nigerian originally Nigerian, but
• 1:13
  Speaker 5: I recited in Canada. So the name is the Nigerian
• 1:18
  Speaker 5: name ibo or and just simply means God bless me,
• 1:24
  Speaker 5: because she in Ebo is God.
• 1:27
  Speaker 4: So the Guzia is blessed me, So God bless.
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: Me man and and so I did some research on
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: you prior to this conversation and listen to a lot
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: of the content that you're putting out on social media,
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: which is great and extremely encouraging.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: By the way, I'm excited to talk about that.
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: But it's very obvious that that God has blessed you
• 1:47
  Speaker 3: in your life. And so it's kind of cool in
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: having a name meaning my name, Alexander means a helper
• 1:53
  Speaker 3: of men, but in the Greek it's the it's the
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: derivative of the aspect of hera not much into the
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: polytheistic stuff, and it literally means the one that the
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: warriors call.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: On to save them when they're pinned down in battle.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: And so that has always given me a kind of
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: like something to move toward, like I want to help
• 2:15
  Speaker 3: the warriors who are pinned down in battle to fight
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: the good fight of their life, so to speak, as
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: Paul said, I've I've fought the good fight. I've finished
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: the race. He says that in the New Testament. And
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: so when I think about my name, it gives, it gives,
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: you know, the name that I believe God gave me
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: through my mom and dad. It's it's a very powerful
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: place of meaning for me. Do you find something similar
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: in your name?
• 2:38
  Speaker 4: Exactly?
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: I find it like where or does go and fail?
• 2:43
  Speaker 5: Somehow I got there even if I struggle. I noticed
• 2:46
  Speaker 5: that I always scale true and I see it as
• 2:50
  Speaker 5: the hand of God just helping me or taking me
• 2:52
  Speaker 5: through all those phases of life.
• 2:56
  Speaker 4: So if something is very unique.
• 2:57
  Speaker 5: About my name, and funny enough, the name came before
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: my delivery.
• 3:02
  Speaker 4: Because then they were nothing.
• 3:04
  Speaker 5: There was nothing like okay, let's go and check the
• 3:06
  Speaker 5: sex of the baby or anything. My dad just said,
• 3:09
  Speaker 5: this is the name, whether I'm male or female.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: Snap, like, here's a boy or girl. This is what
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: we're naming.
• 3:16
  Speaker 4: This is what I'm going to name the child. It's more,
• 3:20
  Speaker 4: but in my place is more but mask cline name.
• 3:24
  Speaker 4: So to say. The few is mostly guys that onside
• 3:28
  Speaker 4: what is uni sex? But in my dad's opinion, he said,
• 3:32
  Speaker 4: this is what my child is going to answer, whether
• 3:34
  Speaker 4: that male or female. And the name stuck and I
• 3:38
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: That's a good name. It's a good name. There's that
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: old him.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: It goes something like, don't worry, I won't quit my
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: day job. Count name them one by one. It's like
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: it's like your name is a reminder to do that
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: every single.
• 3:51
  Speaker 4: Day, exactly, exactly.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, well, on that note.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: On that note, we're going to talk about depression today,
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: which is less depressing then it sounds. We're going to
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: talk about walking in our purpose, how how faith and
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: fitness intersect those things.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: But but before I do that, you have.
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: Accomplished a lot professionally, and the listener's just heard your
• 4:12
  Speaker 3: background as author, speaker, doctor, that you have accomplished a
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: lot professionally. However, it sounds like you you encountered some
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: sort of shift that that brought you to be the
• 4:24
  Speaker 3: founder of the organization the Brave Minds Hub that you
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: you are, that you founded and that you're running today.
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: Can you talk about that shift for I guess, first
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: of all, Nigeria becoming a doctor.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: That's a big deal, A lot of lot. I saw
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of.
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: Pictures of you with a stethoscope around you, surrounded by
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: people you're you're helping them, and it looks like a
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: very powerful practice that you were a part of. But
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: but there was a shift in your life that brought you,
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: obviously to Canada and also obviously to to do what
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: you're doing now. So can you talk about how you
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: became a doctor and then what shift happened in your
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: life that said, hey, I need to I need to
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: make a change here.
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you very much for this opportunity.
• 5:08
  Speaker 5: And it's something I like sharing because it's my journey
• 5:12
  Speaker 5: of finding my feet. I college finding my feet because
• 5:16
  Speaker 5: sometimes a lot of people in financial stability is fulfillment.
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: In my case, it was different.
• 5:26
  Speaker 5: So I found myself right from my undergraduate days. My
• 5:30
  Speaker 5: voice counted even amongst my friends, my colleagues.
• 5:35
  Speaker 4: I always had people coming, what do you think about this?
• 5:38
  Speaker 5: And at the end of the day, I noticed my
• 5:40
  Speaker 5: voice counted even when I'm in meetings. I had the
• 5:44
  Speaker 5: opportunity to be a vice president in one of the
• 5:47
  Speaker 5: campus fellowships right as an undergraduate, so I noticed even
• 5:51
  Speaker 5: when we had all meetings from different campus fellowships. When
• 5:55
  Speaker 5: executive from different campus fellowships come together and they are
• 5:59
  Speaker 5: talking and I've not said anything, the fascilitators will just
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: be looking at me like she has not said something,
• 6:05
  Speaker 5: and before they concluded to be like she got there.
• 6:08
  Speaker 5: Do you have anything to say? What do you have
• 6:10
  Speaker 5: to say about this that we are discussing? So and
• 6:13
  Speaker 5: when I stand up to talk, I do not prepare
• 6:16
  Speaker 5: what I want to say, but it just happens that
• 6:19
  Speaker 5: whatever comes out of my mouth make a great contribution
• 6:23
  Speaker 5: to that.
• 6:24
  Speaker 4: It moved from that.
• 6:26
  Speaker 5: I noticed I was I steed being invited to speak
• 6:28
  Speaker 5: at events and it did not stop that. I found
• 6:32
  Speaker 5: myself speak to over a five hundred capacity of women. Yeah,
• 6:38
  Speaker 5: and I noticed even those that were older than me
• 6:42
  Speaker 5: way well, like I qualify to.
• 6:44
  Speaker 4: Be your daughter.
• 6:46
  Speaker 5: But they come asking questions and I'm asking myself, what
• 6:51
  Speaker 5: is this to your voice that you do not understand
• 6:56
  Speaker 5: or that.
• 6:56
  Speaker 4: Is changing lives?
• 6:58
  Speaker 5: And I noticed I have this desire I cannot see
• 7:02
  Speaker 5: where injustice has been done and I keep quiet even
• 7:06
  Speaker 5: if it's going to.
• 7:07
  Speaker 4: Take anything from me.
• 7:08
  Speaker 5: I just noticed I stepped forward, and I get irritated
• 7:12
  Speaker 5: when others keep quiet in the face of injustice.
• 7:16
  Speaker 4: So I noticed this is a part of me that
• 7:18
  Speaker 4: I didn't work like.
• 7:20
  Speaker 5: No matter how much I try to suppress it, it
• 7:23
  Speaker 5: just doesn't work. I have to speak up for anybody,
• 7:27
  Speaker 5: and I have to speak up. But then back home,
• 7:30
  Speaker 5: I noticed there was.
• 7:31
  Speaker 4: Something that was raining.
• 7:32
  Speaker 5: Then this was sexual violence, and they were people handled.
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: It wasn't okay with me.
• 7:39
  Speaker 5: It was one of the things that informed my decision
• 7:43
  Speaker 5: to do a research or assessment of sexual violence and
• 7:47
  Speaker 5: more than produate students, so because I like fats and figures.
• 7:52
  Speaker 5: After I did that research, I actually found out that
• 7:55
  Speaker 5: most of the people that had gone through this, it
• 7:58
  Speaker 5: happened in their homes either by relatives, nannies or helps,
• 8:04
  Speaker 5: and their parents didn't know and they've lived with this.
• 8:07
  Speaker 5: And I also found out from that research that most
• 8:11
  Speaker 5: of those activities were under reported.
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: That's because some of them felt they will not be believed.
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: Some of them.
• 8:18
  Speaker 5: Felt is a family, and some of them were told
• 8:22
  Speaker 5: not to speak because it was going to the family
• 8:27
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: Can you hear me, Yes, I can hear you. I
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: was saying, Oh no, that's that's such a terrible thing
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: to find out.
• 8:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So after that study, I didn't just stop there
• 8:39
  Speaker 5: because I'm someone that is solutionally ovented. I started campaign
• 8:43
  Speaker 5: against sexual violence. That was what led to my founding
• 8:47
  Speaker 5: of the first NGO that I founded in Nigeria, which
• 8:52
  Speaker 5: was Naked Tahop Foundation. And I did that used it
• 8:57
  Speaker 5: to go to different high school elementary schools talking to teachers,
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: talking to students about on the standard detailtale signs of
• 9:07
  Speaker 5: sexual violence and how it is important that they speak
• 9:11
  Speaker 5: of when things like this happened. It grew like wildfire
• 9:14
  Speaker 5: because I went to over nineteen schools talking about it
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: and letting people know. At every point in time, I
• 9:22
  Speaker 5: made sure this happened. And while doing this, I was
• 9:25
  Speaker 5: I had graduated even from school and I was practicing
• 9:28
  Speaker 5: as a doctor. But I found it's something interesting to do,
• 9:32
  Speaker 5: Like I wake up, I just want people to live happily.
• 9:36
  Speaker 5: I want people to understand, Oh, irrespective of this thing happened,
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: I can actually overcome me. So I noticed a lot
• 9:43
  Speaker 5: of messages take coming and I saw myself scaling and
• 9:48
  Speaker 5: it doing it even side by side with my practice.
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: And I also noticed while doing this that when you
• 9:57
  Speaker 5: get to the rural areas, accests to medical care reduced
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: as those as against those in the city, and I
• 10:04
  Speaker 5: looked for a way to help as well. I'm always
• 10:07
  Speaker 5: solution oriented and through my Angie, well what I would do.
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: God blessed me with that my voice.
• 10:13
  Speaker 5: I said, any pharmaceutical company I write email to and
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: they say, okay, let's have a meeting with you. By
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: the time I'm done with the meeting, they supply all
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: the medications I need for the outreach free of charge.
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: And that's how I tell my friends who is ready
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: to volunteer. I get volunteers of doctors, I get volunteers
• 10:31
  Speaker 5: of nurses, again, volunteers of pharmacists, and I.
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: Move these people in it. But sometimes I spend my
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: money for transportation. But I didn't mind. God so kind.
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: I had a partner that.
• 10:41
  Speaker 5: Was also very supportive, so whatever vision that comes up,
• 10:45
  Speaker 5: and he said, if God said we should do, he
• 10:47
  Speaker 5: will support me whole m his caliber and everything goes
• 10:55
  Speaker 5: so well. So I found out this was happening in
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: my life, and at the end of it, a lot
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: of people were affected positively. They have so many testimonies
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: from the treatment. Because when I'm going on this, I
• 11:09
  Speaker 5: do not know the people I was going to meet.
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: So before we start, we had a culture of prayer.
• 11:15
  Speaker 5: We would pray with everyone coming and I just don't
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: go with anybody. You should understand this was a ministry.
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: Even though I was a medical doctor board, this was
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: like a ministry to me. So I need people to
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: be whole, not just physically but also spiritually, and I
• 11:33
  Speaker 5: was to that.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: So I was doing that back in Nigeria. And I
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: also know.
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: Anywhere I go, no matter how much I try to hide,
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: I can't hide.
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: There is always that thing that will make someone pick
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: me out.
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: Even if I'm at the bat, somebody will always be
• 11:52
  Speaker 5: you there, What do you have to say? And you know,
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: initially I didn't take note of this until I came
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: to Canada and there was a shift which when I
• 12:04
  Speaker 5: started my first job, there was a chapel in the
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: hospital there. So during my launch, I was just going
• 12:11
  Speaker 5: to the chapel and understand how the system here works.
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: In that same chapel, you heard it. You have the
• 12:15
  Speaker 5: Hindu section, the Muslim section, the Christians section. Just come
• 12:19
  Speaker 5: face your own side and pray or prayer and go.
• 12:22
  Speaker 5: I didn't mind.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: Working there face the altar of the Christians. I was my.
• 12:30
  Speaker 5: Routine during lunchtime. But one of these days I walked
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: in there to pray. I met a lady that was
• 12:39
  Speaker 5: inside it crying, weeping. So when I closed my eye
• 12:44
  Speaker 5: to pray, the spirital girl said, go and pray with her.
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: I said, I an immigrants. She can't say I embarrassed her.
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: I did anything to her. I was just battling with
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: the spirital guy. I said, if there is anything I
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: have to do in this lady's life, let her be
• 12:56
  Speaker 5: the one to stand up and come and meet me
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: where I am because I can't moved to her. I
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: did not even finish that statement. She just moved to
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: where I was, brought out her to hands know what spoken?
• 13:09
  Speaker 5: I held her hand and I prayed my heart out.
• 13:13
  Speaker 5: So after praying my heart, that was when I even
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: asked what the problem was, and I was happy to
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: hear that God sorted that issue out.
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: After that, I had.
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: Opportunity to talk just in a small organization about depression,
• 13:27
  Speaker 5: and that was like something that triggered the wildfire. I
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: noticed a lot of people still working up to me
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: about depression.
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: What did I say in that meeting?
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: I met people understand that being a medical professional, I
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: understand the treatment of depression. I understand how these things work.
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: I understand the medical aspect, I understand the therapeutic aspect.
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: I understand everything you can think of about it. But
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: then there was something I said. I said, understand that
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: there is always a place for divinity in everything that
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: we do.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: Irrespective of the fact that science have said.
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: This is the cause of depression, I will have to
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: take it into the bibliicer aspect for people to understand
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: that behind depression is the spirit of heaviness. Behind every
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: anxiety is the spirit of fear. Behind every confusion is
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: the spirit of lies. That's the devil telling you big lies.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: And behind every torment is the spirit of oppression. So
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: you can't cancel out what needs to be cast out.
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: That was my stand about depression, because when you have
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: done all this and someone still comes back every.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: Year with the same thing, why not try this.
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: That was were my perception of bringing the biblicer aspect
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: to depression came. Because you've taken pails, you've gone through therapy,
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: you've gone through counseling, yet every year you are back
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: to square one, or you are up today, you are
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: down tomorrow. That is absolutely not the wish of God
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: for our life. He said, I wish above all things
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: that our mayors prosper, even as that is so prosperous.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: So if your physical health is not prospering.
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: How you're so prosper I looked at it from that aspect,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: and I began to talk to several of these people,
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: and I start asking them, will you want to share
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: your story as we go through this journey? And a
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: few of them were willing to share their story, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: I was happy to document. And one of the promises
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: I made was the way I would document it. Nobody
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: will know is your story except you tell them. So
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: I maxed it with names, and as much as I can,
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: nobody is able to tell who owns rich story. And
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I was what led to the writing of my book,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Overcoming Depression. I remember I finished writing that book and
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I was asking myself, is this book really what it's like?
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Is this something that should go out there? And one
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: of those meetings I had attended and this woman of
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: God was preaching and pray. She didn't know me from anywhere.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I had not told anybody about that book. I was
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: the person that knew about that book, and this lady
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: got to me. As she laid hands to pray, she
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: was like, I saw you writing a book. Where is it?
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: Go and publish that book? And that was that was
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: the day I knew, Like I just said.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, from where I.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Don't I said, okay, you need to go out now.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: That was what brought about the betting of that book.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: And lo and behold, the day of the book launch,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: somebody stood up. One of the persons that struggled with
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: depression stood up and said she was diagnosed that seventeen
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: years as at the time I was doing my book lunch,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: she was almost fifty years. But she said something in
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: that book launch that broke the whole. She said, when
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: I read this her book for the first time in
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: my life, in that my book long, she said, that
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: was the first time she was openly talking about her
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: journey with depression without being scared, without feeling fear, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: without feeling anything of any sort.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And the whole broke into too.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: I was like, when I looked up and I looked down,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: I found ful humans.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I said, if this was the only thing I have achieved,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I am happy. I didn't hide it. I said it
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: in the whole.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I said, if this one person was the only person
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I have achieved helping I think I have achieved the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Lord and God so kind. She happened to be a
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: new Foundland that as a Canadian that is still from
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: the same place where I am staying. And I thank
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: God for that opportunity. And I told myself, Karan, there workplace.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: People come to me with their birden even marriage, bodying,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: child birthing, and I'm like, these are not my the
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: cow issues, right, So how do I reach out to
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: this population of individuals? Hanging my stethoscope on my neck?
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: What else can I do? And I went on a
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: journey of discovery. Where do I find myself that I
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: can reach to these people outside of medicine? How do
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I reach to this people? How do I give hope
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: to the whole place? How do I make a person happy?
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Because I want to be the reason why somebody else's
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: pain is gone? So how do I reach to this
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: population of individuals? And the pressure worked so much because
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I started another research and that research was also get
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: to finding out people that people are grieving a whole
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: lot grieving not over just lots of loved ones. People
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: are grieving over lots of relationship, diverse, marriage of money, mortgage,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: many things.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: How do mhmm? These people?
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: That was when I first see not happy and still
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: not finding fulfillment, and that was what led to the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: bettering of Brave Minds Hope, which is a coaching training
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: and a place where you can come and we find
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: out exactly what the problem is so that we can
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: walk you through it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: What do are you? I do fath based empowerment program.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: That's basically what I do because I understand where you
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: are coming from, and I also know, okay, this is
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: where you want to get to because I really want
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: to see everyone live a life of purples. That's the
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: reason we're created, because you know, you can actually go
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: through this life with all the titles, with everything. Sometimes
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I look at all my certificates and I'm asking myself.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: What all this for?
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: You know, in your quest, in your quest to like fight,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: who are you? You may not necessarily understand that what
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: you are looking for is actually there with you. I
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: think that was one of the things that happened to
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: me until I began to look within, what is this?
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Why am I having this quest? Every year?
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: You're adding certificate, so why is there this desire.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: To feel something that is not being fulled.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: That was when I began to search myself and I
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: found out, okay, very respective of all these titles, you
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: need to live in purpose and evenly allowed me to
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: also starting a YouTube channel on Brave Minds Help. It's
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: still the name of the YouTube channel, and that's where
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I talk about purpose, I talk about grief, I talk
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: about those things that can help your relationship with.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: God and I'm happy doing these.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: These are things that even if you don't pay me,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: I will willingly do it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: So this this.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Is how I found out, Okay, I need to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: here doing this, and that was what brought me to
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: coaching and training because I really want to understand people's personality.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I didn't just jump into it because I'm someone that
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: whatever I want to do, I want to do it well.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I went through your MAX for certification for Human behavioral
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: and at least yeah, I'm your ass well certified for.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: It's consultants and trainer.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: So I went here to actually say that he's been
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: one deerful and I've been happy doing it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: And you know, there is something that the Spirit of
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: God does.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: It gives us boldness and he calls your names in
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: rooms where nobody else will be able to call your name.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I think that's what that has been happening to me. Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I hope I have had your question.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and thank you for sharing the testimony. It's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: very very clear there's something that Christ said. Out of
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, and obviously
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that's that's where where you live. But also in your story,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and I kind of for the listener, I want to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: recap the story just a little bit and then pick
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: out a few things that I'd like to talk to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you about throughout that that story, because I think it's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: pertinent and important. But but if I heard you correctly,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: then you achieved your medical licensure in Nigeria, and through
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: your practice, you noticed that there was there was a
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: rampant problem of sexual abuse that was happening in the
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: both in the community but in the surrounding community. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people know that. A lot of
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: people know that, at least here in the US, we
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: know it's a problem. However, not everybody wants to step
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: into that issue and certainly not talk about it, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: certainly not in school, you know. So, so that's that's
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: very bold and courageous of you. I think what's interesting
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is I hear this thread of courage throughout your story
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and out necessarily I don't think you would claim courage.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: You actually kind of said it was like a like
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a flaw you were trying to fix. Like I can't
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: see injustice and not say something about it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: That's what you said. It is like I can't I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: can't keep my mouth shut.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Lah and and so and so. You you stepped into that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: And then you saw that in the rural communities.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: We say rural.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: It's really hard to say rule in Arkansas, we just
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: put it all together.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's like r O O O L rule.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you saw that in rural communities there was
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: no there was very very low quality healthcare of any
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and and you saw that problem too and then stepped
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: into it. And not only did you step into it,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: but you saw it as a ministry, which I imagine
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: is why God continued to make sure that you had
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: all the resources that you need, that you had all
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the volunteers that you needed, and that it that it
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: continued to move forward well. And then in coming to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Canada and launching, you finished writing your book about depression
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: and launching it. I actually I wrote a book called
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: faith Full Fitness. It's coming out next month, and I
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: remember that was the hardest thing I've ever done, was
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to sit down and write this book.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It was the hardest thing I've ever done. I'm not
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: much of a writer, and I but like it. It's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: a good book, Like it's actually a good book.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: But I remember thinking, if this helps one person, if
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: one person can can find where their faith and fitness
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: intersect and take better care of their body and live
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: out their faith more fully and holy, then this was
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent worth it. And you did that with
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: your Overcoming Depression book. You got to see that, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: it's out there the links in the description below. If
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: you wrestle with depression, if you've tried all the stuff
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and you're like I'm up and I'm down, and I'm
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: up and I'm down, I want you to go pick
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: up this book because what you just heard is the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: testimony of somebody who is helping individuals step forward courageously
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: into their own.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Purpose despite obstacles.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And I think that's really the thing in Overcoming Depression
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: that's worth worth diving into. But that led you to
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: starting the Brave Mind's Hub because people were coming to
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you with really non medical problems, and so I want
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to I want to dig into that a little bit,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: because not a lot of physicians talk about this, but
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of physicians know it. Kind of like the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: sexual abuse thing, or the rural community thing, or the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: depression thing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Physicians understand.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Many of them understand that the health problems that we see,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: things like blood pressure issues, things like diabetes, things like depression.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: The health problems that we see might not be one
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: hundred percent because of lifestyle habits and daily living and circumstances.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But a lot of it is a lot.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Of the things that we see in symptoms or in
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: chronic disease specifically come from come from things that we're
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: living every day. For instance, Let's say I have an
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: extremely stressful job, and i know on a regular basis
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that I'm not showing up well for my family. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: know that I'm very stressed all the time. I'm not
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: getting enough rest, i feel regularly defeated, like I'm not
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: moving I might be really successful in my work, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not moving forward in my ultimate purpose, and that
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: stress shows up inside of my body.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's not just here. It shows up in the way
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: my heart.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Beats, and in the way my my arteries and veins,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: how they expand and contract, and how they how they function,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and so my blood pressure goes up. And in the
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: medical community, if I'm a doctor seeing a patient and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I see your blood pressures high, I can't change your job.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't coach you through finding your purpose.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not talking to you about how to
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: manage your family relationships better. But I can chemically or
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutically treat your blood pressure. So I give you a
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: pill and you walk away and you have slightly lower
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: blood pressure. Medically speaking, we're in a good spot. But
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the things that led me to my blood pressure being
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a problem, they still exist and they're still unsolved.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: They're still unmitigated.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So so I'd like to I'd like to ask you,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: is that an element of the of the Brave Minds
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: practice and philosophy is let's dig into what's going on
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that may or may not be showing up medically for you,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: but isn't necessarily a medical problem.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Is that something you guys strive to do.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, Like when people come and they tell you I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: not able to sleep because I just lost some money,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: or I'm not able to sleep, or I've not slept
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: for days because my boyfriend left me. Or the person
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: is coming to you with insomnia, but is insomnia I
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: really the problem?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Sorry, let me not use medical term.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: The person is coming with you with inability to sleep,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: but is the problem inability to sleep?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: So looking at it, it's not just looking at what's
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: the person before you is saying. Look at what the
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: person is not saying?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Well, can I can I share an example with you?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: So I was at a prayer meeting and a woman
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: came forward for prayer, and I said, what do you
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: need me to pray over you? And my wife was
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: standing next to me, and you know this lady, she
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: was obviously shaken up, and she's said, she said, I
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: don't have any illnesses, but I'm terrified that I'm going to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Get sick and die.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Like that's like, that's what she was terrified of, That's
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: what she wanted prayer over. And and something in me
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: was like, that's not what we're praying over you. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I thought for a second, and then I said, I said,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: have you lost a family?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Member who died.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Suddenly, just came down with an illness unexpectedly and died.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And she goes, yeah, actually three years ago, and she
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: was telling me about her mother in law, who who
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: she was fine one day. The next day, at like
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: a family gathering, she fell out and they were trying
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: to do CPR and save her, and it was really
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: traumatic for the whole family, and and she ultimately passed.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And I said, I want to pray.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Over that fear, because you're still grieving, You're still wrestling
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: with that trauma, and that fear isn't isn't what. We're
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: not praying over your terror of suddenly falling ill. We're
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: praying for resolution from why God took that family member
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and exactly what that looks like in your life. We're
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: going to pray over that. So we prayed, and she wept,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: and you know, my wife was there. We laid hands
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: on her, and then when we finished, she said, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: never made that connection. I never connected those things, the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: fear and anxiety I was feeling about getting sick. You know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: if she got a cough, she's like, oh my gosh,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I have lung cancer or something like that. You know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: She's like, I never made that connection with losing that
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: family member.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: But it was so traumatic and I.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Feel a lot of freedom knowing that these two things
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: are connected. And so she walked away and it was
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: it was powerful. I'm not a trained physician. That was
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: in a prayer meeting. That's the Holy Spirit just guiding,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: guiding the conversation, which is good. But but it sounds
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: like that's you have a passion for that helping people
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to understand the symptoms that you're experiencing, like insomnia. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: can't sleep. It's that's not the thing we need to treat.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't have a what is like ambient?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Is that a fart?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: That's a that's a medication for people who can't sleep. Right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: you don't have an ambient deficiency. We need we need
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: to understand what's what's got you all tied up, that
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: that is keeping you from resting. Well so, so I
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: mean having founded the Brave mindset, how how long has
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: this been around and what are the kind of things
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: you're seeing?
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: It's been around for approximately one year and what I've
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: been coaching for almost five years, Well I have not
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: gotten it to this level of woking making it a
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: business because right now, it's now a business.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Previously it was just what I did out of passion
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: because I wanted people to be happy.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: And it's something any body could just I could, I could.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Somebody could just walk up to me and you're seeing
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: the person bending crying and I'll just be like, okay,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: let me give you time to just finish what is
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: happening that? Can you do you mind sitting in my car?
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Just I will give you a tissue, just let to
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: easy it off before we talk. And we're all totally strangers.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Probably the person had seen me talk somewhere, probably toody
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: or heard someone talk to the p And these are
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: not people coming to me for anything medical. And Brave
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Mind's hope is not for treatment of any medical case.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I want to stay that clearly. It's not for the
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: treatment of any medical case. Brave Mind's hope is to
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: understand the reason why you go.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Through what you are going through.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: We just want to connect that line between what you
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: were saying and what you are not saying, and we
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: want to move you from where you are to the
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: place you ought to bind. Fulfill men, there are also
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: many rich people that are not fulfilled either. There is
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: the labs in their marriage or one of their kids,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: is something else that they cannot even understand. Or people
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: are going through one men of personal stage to another
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: and they do not even understand what is happening to them,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: and they are having issues with relationship with their spouse, relationship, workplace, relationship,
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: even with their trend personalities that exist your own persons.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: We have a personality test that you can also take
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: to understand your own personality, and you will have a
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: time with me and will explain your personality to you
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: and also help you understand the personality of the people
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: you have around your kids, your are, your spouse, even
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: your goal work. And this in one way or the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: other will help people understand why they act.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: The way they do or why what is happening happening
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: to them is happening to them.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: And that's when we come in to hold you in stage.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: It's through our ten weeks program so that you will
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: work away happy and step into your papers. The aim
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: is to find people who will move from where feeling
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: un fulfilled, feeling like I am not leaving my papers,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: from a state of confusion, from a state of I
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: can't do this, I've had enough and getting them to
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: where they will live a life of papers that will
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: give them the fulfillment they want to have in life.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Because whether you are a Christian, you are Hindu, Muslim,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: whatever you believe, every damn individual want to live a
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: happy and a fulfilled life.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: That is the truths and.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Whatever is keeping you from living that happy and fulfilled
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: life is what we want to go step by step
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: with you to bring you to that state. Some it
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: could be even loss of jobs. Some immigrants, it could
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: be they are not happy with what they are doing,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: or where they are coming from, or what is happening
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: in their life.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Because I also come across many immigrants and their struggles,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: even struggles at workplace, struggles finding their feet.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: But what is to this is behind what are they
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: saying and what are they not saying? And this is
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: where we're coming to give you the best training, the
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: best coaching, and to bring you to where you ought
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: to be, so that if anyone is even struggling with depression,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: just go read my book on depression and that will
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: give you clarity. Because I did not just write it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I also wrote the medical aspect, the medical management everything,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: and I wrote the spiritual aspect. If you have tried
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: all the medical aspects, all the therapy, all the counseling,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: and you are not making progress. Let's even say you
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: do not believe in God, just try the spiritual aspect.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Give it a try.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: That's what I tell people, because at my book launch
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: I had Muslims that were there.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: You have tried all this and you don't believe in God.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Take this book, go and give it a trial their
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: God on it, and let's see if something doesn't happen. Yes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: I am that bold because I know what God can do.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: And the truth is, because the world system understand that
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: there is something God can do, they are out at
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: every point to de mystify whatever they know that God
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: can do. And that is what is keeping so many
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: people bound. What is it that people will get so
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: addicted and addicted to the extent that they will drink
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: and sleep on the road and they are, Oh my god,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: you'll be wondering what kind of bondage is this.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I had somebody woke up to me and was like
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: she was.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Crying, weeping, and she was like, I picked up smoking
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: a couple of years back and right now and I'm
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: struggling with it. What happened. Why did you pick up
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: smoking because she was having a breakup. And I told myself,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: I wish I met you when you were going through
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: the breakup if I had held your hand. You will
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: understand that God can take away people from your life
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: because he needs your attention.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And this is because some of us do not even.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Understand the concept of God dealing with us at every
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: point in our lives. If you understand that there is
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: something God can do through every story you feel is
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: a disgusting story. I usually tell people look for the
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: finger of God in every story. When Joseph went into
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: the house of Fortifar, he didn't know what the first
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: wife was going to accuse him of sexual abuse? Or
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: was God's hand in it? Yes, So when we look at.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: All those things. Even in Job's case, Job lost everything
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: he heard just in one day. Was God's hand in it? Yes,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: he gave the permission for it to happen. But there
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: was one thing that God said. He said, for everything
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: you will do, do not touch his soul. And that
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: was a Job was preserved so understanding that when we
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: go through fire, he will be there with us. The
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: only thing is what when you look at it we
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: say I'm going through this. Now, ask yourself, do I
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: have a relationship with God? If you do find peace,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: if you do not seek his face. Bible called him
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: a present help in time of trouble, you may have all.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: It takes everything. I remember.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: I think two years ago, if I'm not mistaken, one
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: of one of the very rich men in Nigeria committed
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: a suicide, very rich, and people were like, what is
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: he looking for? Why will he commit suicide? Did he
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: lose a contract? Did he do this? And yeah, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: was reading everything they had to say, but in my head,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: the only thing I was.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: If only these people on this hand.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: M and go.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: I will look at it from the physical angle, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: I also look at it from the medical angle. And
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: that's why most times when people tell me I don't
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: know how I feel, I say, you need to take
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: out of that body, because that body is the very
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: who that would take you true fulfilling the purple God.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Brought your way.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: If you do not take care of your body to
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: be physically fit, you cannot carry the papers of God
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: and you cannot finish well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: That body need to be in great shape for you
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: to finish well.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: And that's why I always tell people, and even when
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I'm praying for my kids, I always say, God give
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: them sound mind, spiritually, physically, socially, and otherwise. Because for
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: you to function well as a child of God, you
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: have to be holistic. Why am I saying holistic? God
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: is an excellent God and he wants us to exude
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: excellence in everything that we do. So if I do
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: not have an excellent body, how do I now exude excellence?
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: And how can I get an excellent body?
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: It is by hiding my will in God's will and
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: hiding my papers in God's papers. I can be the
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: president of a nation. But the thing is this, when
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: they going gets stuffed? Who do I turant to? When
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: things are so awful, Like I can't even fight solution
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: from my friend?
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Who do I turnt to?
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: So these are questions I ask myself because I won't tell.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: You that I have not been a high flyer in
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't lie about that because people that know me
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: personally will be like, Oh, she's just trying to be
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: unnecessarily harm I won't tell you that. But the truth
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: is this, for every stage in my life, I've always
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: seen the finger of God. For everything, for every breakthrough,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: for every emancipation, or for everything that has happened. When
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I look at the pieces, I always see this is
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: the hand of God.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Because sometimes I can't solve the puzzle. Mhm.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Some people may be able to solve out the puzzles
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: in their life. I she goes, there, I can't solve
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: all the puzzles and.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: And how did I even those times of a deep calling,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: that calling that that makes you you can't sleep, that
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: calling that is you are so heavy, hurted, you are
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: wondering what is this that I'm not doing. I remember
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: talking to one of the presenties, was John Maxwell, and
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: he was looking at me. He stared, He stared. He staid,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: he said, don't you think God is calling you to
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: something deeper? And it was like it struck a cord.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I didn't even understand that everything I was doing was
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: just like me.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Leaving my calling.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: M I was just saying it, Okay, this is what
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: you want to do. This is what you want to do.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: But honestly, coaching and going through training it helped me.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And that's the reason why I decided, okay, I really
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: need to pass this down by coaching orthers and letting
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: athers know that the truth is the you may be
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: at the peak of your career because I'm more interested
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: interested in professionals, Nazis, doctors, pharmacists, engineers, organizational executives.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: They actually think they've arrived.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Boll Deep down, you actually know that there is an
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: emptiness that needs to be to be filled. But the
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: thing is you don't know how to feel that emptiness.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I can guarantee them they should come. I give them
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: eight to ten weeks. Their life will change. And I
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: said this under God. I give them follow suits everything,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: I will coach you through, and I give you ith
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: to ten weeks. You must have a testimoney. And that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: basically the reason I established Brave Minds Houlp and decided
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: to go the extra length of registering it and making
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: it a business in Canada.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, and thank you for sharing that.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: The fitness corollary that comes to my mind. When I
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: was a personal train in her twenty years ago, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: would ask somebody what are your goals and they would
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: say things like, you know, I want to look like
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I forget her name and terminator.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Dang it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Anyway, she was an actress, very sleek arm, she was
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: in great shape, or I want to look like Heath Ledger,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: you know, like and they would they would tell me
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: these like celebrity things that they were chasing after in
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: their body and what I saw, and you know, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: hear I want to grow some muscle, I'd like to
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: get better at burning fat as a fuel source. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: want to feed myself better, you know, I want to
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: do all those things. But to me, it was all vanity,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Like I understood from a Christian perspective, you know, pursuing
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: looking like some celebrity is vanity.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: And here's the kicker.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I was around all sorts of people in the gym
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: setting three percent body fat, rippling abs, big biceps, but
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: they were depressed, or their hormones were messed up, or
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: or something was going on with their girlfriend. No matter
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: what kind of shape you saw, there was still things
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: in life that that were were not only troublesome. But
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the abs and the biceps didn't fix it, you know.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: And and it's interesting some individuals will use fitness because.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I think fitness is a great thing.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I like to think of the verse that says you
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: will find me when you seek me with.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Your whole heart.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm wholeheartedly seeking God? When I'm
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a workout and i can't go
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: on by myself and I can feel it, I'm like, Lord,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: help me, Like I need, I need to move forward.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: This is hard, right that that gets me?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: But but when when somebody is using fitness to distract
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: them from pursuing their purpose, like oh, if I if
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I could just be more successful losing weight, or if
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I could just look better, or that that I want
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: them to hear, or if they're listening right now, that
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: fitness can be a powerful part of your spiritual purpose
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and your spiritual journey. And as Chegose was saying just
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: now about how the vessel that we have allows us,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: if we take good care of it, allows us to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: live out our God given purpose holistically.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: But please don't use.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Fitness as a distraction from the difficult things in life.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Please don't use it as an excuse not to finish
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: your conversation with your wife. Please don't use it as
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: an excuse not to call your kids. Please don't use
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: it as an excuse to not deal with the fact
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: that you might be working in a job that you
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: don't need to be working in for the rest of
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: your life, and there might need to be a shift
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: that God's calling you to. Fitness will not solve those things.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: It might make you feel broken down enough that you'll go, okay, okay,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to listen.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I'm humbled. Right. It reminds you of humility.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: But don't let fitness be a distraction to those things.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Let let fitness be a thing that prepares you and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: builds you for the purpose in your life. Before I
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: move on, is there anything you'd like to say to that,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: but before we start to close down our conversation.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Here, Yeah, Well, when you talk about fitness, I like
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: to say this way. Our body is like their car
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: that will take us to purpose. If you do not
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: put garsoline in your car, it can't move. Do not
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: take care of your physical body. If you do not
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: finish well, it means you did not finish well. So
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: you need this body to be in good shape for
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: you to finish well. And one of the ways this
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: body can be in good shape is exercise, eating right,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: and taking care of yourself.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, I always say this.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: You have to know that this body need to be fine.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: If you are sick, you can't spray. If you are sick,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: you can't. First, if you are sick, you can't study
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: the word of God and pay rapt attention to it
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: because your body is asking you for something else. So
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: understanding this just I always said this. Just know when
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: to match break and give yourself excus and take care
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: of your body. I remember I once told one of
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: my friends there was a period I was really really stressed,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: and one of my friends was like, I've been calling
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: you for days.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: What happened.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: What I did was iron installed all the apps from
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: my phone and I put my phone on do not distove.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: So if I just told myself, whatever I go, I
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: will lose this spirit. It is not mine. Let it go.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: I need this body.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: To be together. That so that I can't finish well.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: And I do not just want to finish well. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: want to finish strong as well.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well said very well said.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: As as we wrap up our conversation here, I want
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: to direct the listeners we have. We have three resources
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: in the show notes below for you that you can
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: get connected to. We've got a purpose and clarity guide
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that Chi Jose has has given us in the show notes.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: We've also got beauty and chaos. I'm checking that one out.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: That sounds like a lot of fun. I like, I
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: like to find beauty in chaos. And then we also
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: have the book Overcoming Depression, very very powerful platform. Again,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: if you've tried all the stuff and you're still up
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: and down, you need to try the spiritual aspect and
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and test God and that thing, step out in faith
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: and say hey, I'm gonna give this shot, you know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And I mean, what do you got to lose.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: You're already depressed, so please don't be depressed anymore. And
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: we're going and I'm not poking fun at anybody. I
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: want to pray over that as we as we pray here.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: So what I would like to do is close down
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: this conversation with a prayer over you.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Over.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: I know your business is a business, but I think
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: of these things as ministries, just as I think of
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: this show. So I want to pray over your ministry
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: and pray over you. So if you're willing, let's let's
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: go to God together. Father God, thank you so much
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: for this day. Thank you for the opportunity to spend
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: time with my sister. Even though I have a hard
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: time pronouncing her name, I will declare over her that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: she is blessed. And I also pray that you would
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: make her a blessing to every person that she crosses
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: paths with, whether online or in person, stranger or friend,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: that she's able to shine your light into their heart
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: and into their life. And Lord, we talked today about depression.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: We talked about the spirit of heaviness. We talked about
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: the spirit of confusion. We talked about the spirit of lies.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And in Jesus' name, I bind that and whoever's listening
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: and cast it out in Jesus' name and replace it
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: with this truth from Psalms ninety one. I pray Lord,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: that who listens to this would dwell in the shelter
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: of the most High and abide in the shadow of
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the Almighty. I pray that they would call on your
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: name and say, my God, my Lord, and whom I trust.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I pray that your faithfulness would be a shield and
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: a buckler to them, and that they could rest in
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: the opinions of your wings.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Lord.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I pray that with long life you would satisfy them,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: and that you would show them your salvation.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Lord. I pray these things in Jesus name. Amen, Amen,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I thank you so much, Doctor Chi Goose Ua Sue.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep working on it because we're going
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: to be buddies and someday I got to be able
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: to say it easily. But to my listeners, you guys
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: know what's coming next. This has been coach Alex fand
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Houghton on the Faithful Fitness Podcast.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Until next time, train hard, but pray harder.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, if this episode helps you, jare it with someone
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: who needs to hear it, and don't forget to subscribe
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and leave us a raving review so more people can
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: find Faithful Fitness. Oh and my dad's new devotional is
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: almost out now. You can grab a copy for yourself
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and then join our free community at Better Daily by
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: clicking on the links in the show notes below. We
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: all have a cross to carry, but it's lighter when
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: we do it together, so check out both links and
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the show notes. Don't be a big well Bob, just
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: do it. Until next time, don't forget, Train hard and
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: pray even harder.