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Ep. 21 - Games We Played Growing Up · Azeroth With Attitude

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Foreign.
• 0:04
  Speaker B: With attitudes. Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Azeroth With Attitude. I'm Apa Dylan.
• 0:17
  Speaker A: Hi, I'm Art.
• 0:19
  Speaker B: And today we are surprisingly at episode 21, girl. We've been kind of killing it, and. And we have another juicy, juicy episode for you all. We're going to be talking about what we've been doing in wow, how Art and I finally collabed in wow and maybe talk a little bit about games we played growing up and other things. Yeah. How you been growing up? How you been?
• 0:49
  Speaker A: Good, Good, good, good. I've been playing a lot of variety games the past week. I have been playing a lot of Diablo. I'm really, really enjoying it now. And I've also been back into housing in wow.
• 1:08
  Speaker B: Oh.
• 1:09
  Speaker A: I am actually planning so many things. I'm completely going to redo my house because I've learned so much now. I'm starting from scratch again. I'm still building my coffee shop. That's my hoard house. That's going to be, like, my entertainment house. I'm also planning some, like, fun, cute rooms that I want to remake in house in housing, but so I have that. And then I'm also, like, kind of doing that IRL too. I'm kind of changing my apartment a little bit. I'm like, looking to completely change my living room, my bedroom, and my streaming room. Not so much, but like, my other. My other parts of my house. I just feel like it just needs a change. You know, I've been here for a while now, and, you know, it's kind of like stuck in a time that I'm not in anymore. So I need to, like, update. I need to change.
• 1:56
  Speaker B: Okay, wait, I have a question about this because this is fascinating to me. So we've never seen, like, what does arts, like living room, living situation. Like, so give us the fantasy. Like, you can paint whatever picture you want. And it could. It's the truth because we can't see what it is. So just paint us a picture of what the rest of your apartment looks like.
• 2:20
  Speaker A: That's really hard. Like. Like the vibe. Okay, so my kitchen is kind of like Mykonos vibe. Oh, yeah. It's like white. There's like. It's like round shapes. It's like, it has a little bit of, like, plant elements and stuff. It's not it. That makes. It makes it sound so fancy, but I can't really think of anything else.
• 2:45
  Speaker B: No, it's fancy.
• 2:46
  Speaker A: And then. And then I have. My living room is pretty big. It has lots of light it has, like, a big mirror, and I. And I use a lot of, like, mood lights. I never use the, like, overhead light ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. It's always, like, just moody lights everywhere. It's, like, oranges and a little bit of purple, kind of like this.
• 3:07
  Speaker B: Wait. I live for this.
• 3:09
  Speaker A: And I have a big tv, and I have lots of, like, decor, but I have nothing on my walls yet. I've. I've been looking for art for my walls forever, and I just can't find anything that isn't, like, extremely expensive or looks nice. But I am taking it as a challenge, and I'm going to make my own art piece.
• 3:31
  Speaker B: I love that. Wait.
• 3:33
  Speaker A: I bought a massive canvas, like, literally, like, huge. And I'm just gonna make something happen. I. Let's be real. Does it have. You don't need to have, like, crazy skill for nice art on your wall. Like, it doesn't need to be, like, realism. You know, you can literally have, like, it all be, like, one color, and then, like, splash something in the middle, and it'll kind of look cool on a blank white wall. So I think I'm going to do that. So I'm like. But, like, the ideas are, like, cooking right now. I want to change my sofa. I want to change my carpet. I want to change my, like, seating arrangement for, like, dining table, and I want to, like, get rid of some plants. I'm not a plant person. I just realized I'm not a plant person.
• 4:12
  Speaker B: That's fine. You know?
• 4:12
  Speaker A: Like, I like the way. I like the way they look, but I don't. I can't take care of them. And I'm like.
• 4:18
  Speaker B: So we're gonna get rid of plastic? Just get plastic plants.
• 4:22
  Speaker A: Yeah, we'll see. I'll see. Like, maybe. I don't know. We'll see. And, yeah, so, like. And I'm also thinking of finally putting some color on my walls. I've never done that before.
• 4:32
  Speaker B: Oh, do you have, like. You have white walls?
• 4:35
  Speaker A: Yes. I used to. I used to just want white walls. I didn't want anything, like, crazy, because my mom always did, like, crazy colors in my childhood home. So I'm like, no, I actually kind of want a color. I want to be more bold with my, like, choices, you know?
• 4:48
  Speaker B: Oh, my. Yeah, no, I. I fully feel you. Let me give you a picture. Okay. This. I'll explain. Now. My apartment. I got very lucky, and I married someone who is, like, a creative person. Cause I am, like, creative, but I'm not creative in, like, an artsy kind of way I am creative in, like, I can make a video or I can, like, do. I can think of a storyline. I can DM in D and D, but give me a canvas. This is. Okay. This is actually a lore dump for.
• 5:22
  Speaker A: You're a storyteller.
• 5:24
  Speaker B: I'm a storyteller, but this is a lore dump for Dylan. I actually get anxiety when someone gives me a massive canvas and says, paint. Just paint something. For some reason, I get anxiety because I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know what to put on this canvas. I don't know what to do. This is a lot of choices. This is.
• 5:43
  Speaker A: I think that's pretty normal, because I get that, too. That's pretty normal.
• 5:46
  Speaker B: Oh, is it Okay?
• 5:47
  Speaker A: I think it's. I think even writers have that, like, let's say you stare at a blank page and you have to start. Starting is always the hardest.
• 5:54
  Speaker B: See, I could do that. I think I could write better than I could draw. Okay. See?
• 5:58
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I. I get that too. But I. I'm a big, big, big, big fan of inspiration and Pinterest and mood boards. Before I do anything, if I look at an empty room, I'm like, I don't know, girls. A sofa, like. But that's why I'm a huge fan of, like, mood boards and stuff. That will get you to do something, you know, to, like, will. It will bring you. It will give you an idea.
• 6:21
  Speaker B: Yeah. And this to kind of tie this back into. Wow. How my apartment looks. Or not apartment. The house that I live in right now. My husband, he's done an amazing job of how he has decorated our living room. So in our living room, we have a massive gallery wall. It has individual pictures and little things that represent both of us. And what's really cool is he has these canvases of art that he's created. So you were, like, huge Star Trek fans. So there is Star Trek Voyager that he painted, and it looks like a painting that you would have spent maybe $200 or $100. And he made it himself because he's just, like, really good at art. And I love it because there's, like, pops of color, like, on this wall that's opposite the camera, but it's a blue wall. I've got this, like, fake. It's hard to see fake brick wallpaper behind the comic books. There's pops of color throughout the house. That's all him. Like, if. If it was just me, if I was single and I lived in this place, you'd be like, are you terminally depressed? What's wrong? Like, do you do know that you can decorate, right? Like, it would look bad.
• 7:41
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 7:42
  Speaker B: I'm so thankful. But to bring it back to wow, that makes me think of, like, I do kind of wish in World of Warcraft, while it is great that we have, like, items and housing pieces that are very, like, aesthetic to World of Warcraft, I sometimes wish that we would get housing items that don't feel like they are just ripped from this location or ripped from this. Like, I want to, like, I want to be able to make, like, a pop art house if I wanted to, but we're not really ever going to get, like, pop art items. You kind of have to finagle them,
• 8:19
  Speaker A: and you'll have to make.
• 8:20
  Speaker B: Dye them. Yeah. So while it's a great creative challenge, I. It makes me think of, like, oh, I wonder what it'd be like if I, like, made my house in wow. Like, tried to make literally the same design as of my house, and.
• 8:37
  Speaker A: Wow, you probably could. I believe that you could make everything in wow right now.
• 8:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 8:42
  Speaker A: Seriously.
• 8:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 8:44
  Speaker A: I like the things I've seen, the people. The things that people have made. The person that made Starry Night. Like, you can make every thing. Like, it just takes a lot of patience and a lot of customizing and a lot of, like, custom builds and a lot of imagination and also skill. Obviously. Like, some of these things I've seen are, like, mind blowing. I saw someone recreate, like, Maleficent, Maleficent's castle, and, like, absolutely mind blowing. Like, I've seen crazy things. When we. When I was at LFG London, they had a housing competition, and Gecko shout out to Gekko. They made, like, an, like, Asian city, basically, with, like, neon lights and everything. Like, absolutely incredible. Like, 100. Like, I've never seen something like this before.
• 9:33
  Speaker B: People are so skilled. It makes me sick to my stomach. I just don't get it.
• 9:39
  Speaker A: But, like, I decided that as. As, like, yes, that obviously all so cool, but I just genuinely want to make a house that isn't about, like, World of Warcraft. It isn't about, like, oh, I want this to be, like, as unique as possible. And it's like, no one has this. I just want to make a house that I kind of want to have in a fantasy world. And that's it.
• 9:56
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:57
  Speaker A: Like, I'm not. I'm not too worried about, like, oh, it needs to be, like, so unique and so special. Like, nobody. No. If I want a witchy core like everyone else, I'm going to make myself a witchy core house and that's what I'm going to do. So, yeah, I have this really overwhelmed with all these builds and I'm like, girl, you don't need to do all that, you know?
• 10:15
  Speaker B: Yeah. I will say though, I have been doing. For those that haven't been watching Art stream, go check out Art's twitch channel links in the bio. There's this bit that I do whenever I join your stream where. Oh yeah, I pretend I'm a new viewer and I ask you like a random question about something obscure or. So one of the things that I asked you while you're building your coffee house was like, so, hi, someone sent me a link to the stream on Grindr. Like, where's the glory hole that's in this coffee shop? But that got me thinking, oh my God, what if someone made like just not. It doesn't have to be lewd and crude, but just like a gay bar in.
• 11:04
  Speaker A: I'm sure someone has but literally said that on stream. I was like, we should make a gay club.
• 11:10
  Speaker B: Yes. And it could have like a glory hole. Like funny little like references here and there. Like a drag queen on the stage. Like imagine.
• 11:16
  Speaker A: And I said you could make like fake poppers, bottles, like at the bar that you can just like take. We literally talked about that at the on stream. Like you could genuinely like, think of anything. You know how there's like, have you seen this, this anime where they're like in this classroom when they're trying to murder their teacher or whatever?
• 11:36
  Speaker B: Yes. I think. Isn't that a classroom or something like that?
• 11:40
  Speaker A: Yes. Because I've been playing procopia. Right?
• 11:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 11:42
  Speaker A: And there is this one island that has these like Japanese style houses. I was like, wow, I would love to see that in wow. And I was like, wait a minute. I could create like the Persona classroom in wow. What stops me?
• 11:55
  Speaker B: You.
• 11:55
  Speaker A: You 100% can do that. Like, you really can. You can make an outside area and then build it outside. So you even have like an outside view if you want to. To make it look like a proper school. Like you could actually do that. So like whatever you think, whatever, like look at whatever rooms you like, you could recreate them in wow. If you want to.
• 12:13
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think what's also really exciting is they are still updating housing. So from my knowledge, they are updating the number of exterior items they're adding. Isn't it?
• 12:25
  Speaker A: It's gonna get much bigger and you'll be able to add more lights outside.
• 12:29
  Speaker B: Yes. Oh, that'll be amazing.
• 12:31
  Speaker A: I've still not done an exterior build once.
• 12:34
  Speaker B: I actually, personally, really like the challenge of doing exterior. I have more fun doing the exteriors than I do the interiors.
• 12:43
  Speaker A: I think a lot of people do, just because I've never touched it.
• 12:46
  Speaker B: You're, like, in this limited space, so it isn't. It's kind of like what I was talking about earlier, where you give me a huge canvas and I get overwhelmed. But with exterior, you have this small plot of land, and you have to make your house fit in the small plot of land, which makes it, like, a fun creative challenge. But when you're on your interior, the world's your oyster. You could truly make whatever you want. And that's why I go to. My brain goes immediately to, like, storylines, like, glory holes or a plant that has taken over a house. The two. There's. There's two genders. Two genders in the World of Warcraft world. You're making sexual nasty house or you're making good fantasy house. They're the only two.
• 13:29
  Speaker A: No, it's so true. I saw. I also saw another build that I have to mention. It was like, I had no idea what was going on. The person didn't explained it, and then it blew my mind. It was like this room where you enter, and it looks like three PC setups, but behind every PC setup, there's, like, a big window, right? And it's the mom and the. No, it's not dirty.
• 13:51
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 13:51
  Speaker A: The mom and the dad and the kid, and they're all playing. Wow. And behind the canvas is the in. You could enter the game they're playing right now. So, like, behind that canvas, you go in and you're, like, in Onyxia's lair, and they're, like, fighting Onyxia. Then you go into the other one, and it's like another game that they're playing right now. Like, you can enter their game. Like, how cool is that?
• 14:16
  Speaker B: This is why. And I know that we said this previously when housing was announced and we were, like, ruminating on what we want. This is why we need some form of, like, an ID system for a house. Because I would love to be able to, like, put in, like, a housing ID and go immediately visit that house
• 14:37
  Speaker A: and see they are working on that. They are working. I'm very excited about that. I would love that. And also, like, that made me again, like, inspire myself. And I'm like, wait, is there something that I wanted to always recreate, like, like, a room from, like, my childhood? And I Used to grow up watching Sailor Moon and they have this, they have this like in one of the episodes like, like when they go to like the moon where like, where they were like she used to live and, and like there's like a spectral of her dad and he has his like lair where he like watches like all the planets and everything. And now that's where like all the sailor girls would like, meet and would like discuss plans. And I'm like, I could recreate that. I could literally recreate that like, secret room with like, like these machines and this like big screen and have like fake planets and like make it look like it's his like, you know, control center. You could generally do that. Like, I feel like that would. That wouldn't even be that complicated.
• 15:34
  Speaker B: No.
• 15:34
  Speaker A: So now I'm like, like so many ideas keep coming in my head, but I think I'm just going to recreate things to, to relieve myself of the pressure of having to create something completely new. You know, you.
• 15:47
  Speaker B: That you've inspired me. I'm like, I have been really wanting to get back into housing. I still haven't finished my house. I still haven't had the time to like hop on my stream and just decorate. So this is really inspiring me because I also. This actually ties into our next conversation piece. But I have like my you account where I haven't even opened up a house or done anything on my NA account.
• 16:16
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 16:17
  Speaker B: So that could be an interesting challenge because I have a limited item pool over on the EU side, as opposed to the NA side where I've been doing all these achievements for years and I have all these achievement items and stuff like that. So it could be an interesting challenge of like with a limited item pool or even just items. And I've seen some challenges like this in short form content and on YouTube where they're building these huge extravagant things using only items you can buy in the hub, which I think is amazing.
• 16:48
  Speaker A: I love when they do that.
• 16:50
  Speaker B: This is such a, like, oh God. It makes me so happy because I, I come from like the Sims world and that's like a huge content piece where they're building these huge extravagant Sims builds using only base game items without any expansions. So it's been, it's really cool to see that type of content in World of Warcraft. Sorry.
• 17:11
  Speaker A: Yes, I'm hearing about that a little bit.
• 17:13
  Speaker B: Speaking of, before we get into the EU side and how we collabed, have you. Because we're talking about like games that we've been playing. I'm very excited. There's a game coming out called Paris Paralives.
• 17:25
  Speaker A: I was just gonna mention that. Girl, it's so funny. I was just gonna mention that because someone's been talking about that in my. In my discord. And I was like, wait, what's that? And then it's obviously like Sims. Yeah, similar. Very similar to Sims, but it's, like, much less problematic than Sims. And it's coming out, like, next week, I feel like, right to Early Access in Early Access.
• 17:45
  Speaker B: And I've been following this game's development for truly years. It has been, like, constantly in development, and it was like a. Like a passion project by a few devs, and then it became this larger thing, and now they're really trying to compete with the Sims. What I think is fascinating about it is there's, like, elements to it that make it feel more real life. Like heights, like, things you don't think about. Like, oh, when my child grows up, they're actually, like, having growth spurts and they're getting larger. They're not just, like, going from baby to teen. There is, like, actual growth and, I don't know, just like, the animations of it all. And makes me so excited because I got my start on YouTube playing or making reality shows in the Sims 4. So it makes me think I'm like, what would it be like if I did, like, a Big Brother or a Survivor in Paralives? Is that possible?
• 18:44
  Speaker A: I love that. So it sounds so funny.
• 18:46
  Speaker B: Expect some para live streams in the future where I can play around with the systems and see if I can, like, manipulate the game to do something with it. We'll see.
• 18:54
  Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds really cool. I. I'm also gonna try it. I used to love the Sims, but I've tried, like, getting back to it, I think a year ago, because they had, like, a bundle deal and I was bored so quickly.
• 19:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's.
• 19:07
  Speaker A: It was bored so quickly. It's.
• 19:09
  Speaker B: It's one of those games not to harp too much on the Sims. We are a World of World cup podcast on the Sims podcast. But not to harp too much on the Sims, but they've really lost the kind of detail and fun little, like, interactions between the Sims that I liked in, like, the Sims 2. Because if. If you go back and play the Sims 2, it feels like a completely different game. Like, like when a sim is, for example, like, cooking, there's, like, four different variations of how they cook, and their mood impacts the animations of how they cook. So when you see a sim cook, it's not like the same generic animation over and over again. But in the Sims 4, it's the same generic animation just based off of what.
• 19:54
  Speaker A: I didn't even know that.
• 19:55
  Speaker B: And so it's like there's a lot of life that's just been kind of sapped out of the game. And I really want them. I don't think they're making a Sims 5. At least they've said that they're not making a Sims 5, but I think they're gonna need to make a Sims 5. If paralives ends up, like, actually becoming
• 20:14
  Speaker A: super, I'm okay with the IP just dying or that.
• 20:19
  Speaker B: Okay, so we got. We gotta talk about the fact that we finally were able to play together.
• 20:25
  Speaker A: Yeah, it was so. It was also so spontaneous. I think we recorded a podcast and you were like, I'm gonna go ladder. I'm like, okay, I'll join you.
• 20:31
  Speaker B: Yes. It was so much fun. I never really. This is probably ridiculous of me. Never really understood how fast you level with time walking.
• 20:44
  Speaker A: Mm, it's a lot faster.
• 20:47
  Speaker B: Oh, my God.
• 20:48
  Speaker A: And I've missed the train on my knee account again. Girl, I'm. I'm never going to stop complaining about how slow it is. Yesterday I was doing it on stream again and I managed half a level without, like, feeling like my brain is about to melt away away from boredom. Like, it was so boring.
• 21:06
  Speaker B: And shout out to all the people in the comments of our last podcast episode who told us why it's slower. I completely forgot about this. Every time you have a max level character, it gives you a five experience boost. So of course, when you are a fresh new account, you don't have that experience boost. But I think it says something to how slow. Without those speed boosts, the game feels. It's like such a hard thing to balance because on one hand, you do want it to be slower because if you are an actual new player, you don't want to, like, bombard that, like the player with a bunch of new stuff. But on the flip side, I'm like, girl, this is slow.
• 21:51
  Speaker A: Like, it is so slow. Yeah. I mean, maybe it feels more slow to us because we've seen it, so it doesn't feel exciting. Like, obviously, when I played for Campaign for the first time, it's still. I realized that definitely, oh, I've done so much already and I'm only level 83. But I was also having so much fun because it was all new, so I didn't care about that that much. But now that I'm doing it again on a new account. I'm like, oh, my God, literally dreadful. I did see that in 12.07, which is coming apparently in a month. Okay, in a month or like towards the end of June, they are going to buff a bunch of XP for. So that leveling will be faster. So that's. That's coming. I'm very happy that they're doing it. I think it's coming a little late, but agreed. At least it's happening. So I'm excited about that. And then also we're gonna have the turbulent timeways, which is an event that. Where you have every week you have a different time walking and you have an in general, like, big XP buff over everything. So it's gonna be amazing for alt leveling for like four or five weeks. So it's gonna be good. And we're going to have Dragonflight time walking.
• 22:58
  Speaker B: Okay. I don't know how to.
• 23:00
  Speaker A: Dragonflight didn't come out two days ago. It came out four years ago.
• 23:06
  Speaker B: That hurt my back. That hurt my back when you said that.
• 23:09
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker B: Four years ago. Yeah, girl.
• 23:15
  Speaker A: Huh?
• 23:16
  Speaker B: I mean, it makes sense. We had the war within, I guess, but still.
• 23:21
  Speaker A: What do you mean? Dragonflight was yesterday.
• 23:25
  Speaker B: I. Yeah, that's.
• 23:26
  Speaker A: We've had four years of skywriting.
• 23:31
  Speaker B: That's wild to me. I feel like yesterday we just got all mounts, got the ability to be able to fly.
• 23:39
  Speaker A: Like, it's just absolutely insane when I think about it. And now we're getting it in time walking. I'm like, are we gonna get the war within time walking? Like, in a year, maybe. Okay, maybe. Maybe in two. But even that's gonna feel way too soon. I don't know.
• 23:54
  Speaker B: It is kind of crazy when you think about it. How many different systems have been introduced in the last, like, four years since Dragonflight. Like, we did get skywriting housing. They have banks, war banks, lore walking. Like, there's just like. So, yeah, the warbanks was huge.
• 24:12
  Speaker A: Starting the starting zones that were revamped. Yeah. Like, starting experience. I mean, these are all really, really, really good changes. And in housing, obviously, like, obviously blows everything out of proportion. But I'm. The game has really, really evolved.
• 24:28
  Speaker B: I think since playing so many different alts, a part of me wishes post trilogy we would go back to a starting zone for your race as opposed to having like one singular starting zone. That is I. Because I think this is. Maybe we can also transition this into us talking about, like, games that we grew up with. But I had been watching videos about, like, other MMORPGs I played growing up or had heard about. And there is that joy of, like, going into a starting zone for a race and, like, really feeling like you're getting into the lore of, like, this character that you're playing. And I feel like having all of these races and classes all be in the same starting zone when you start off is good for your first character, but it's so much faster leveling up that way than if you were to, like, I don't know, play like, a draenei and go to the. Is it Shattering Isles. I forgot the name of it.
• 25:38
  Speaker A: Azure Mist Isles, I think Azure Mist Isles.
• 25:41
  Speaker B: It's so much slower on Azure Mist Isles than it is if you were to go to this other one, so. And in no way.
• 25:47
  Speaker A: But the nostalgia would hit me so hard.
• 25:50
  Speaker B: I know. But I kind of wish that they would kind of find a balance between the two, because I want to be able to, like, feel like I'm getting tutorialized in these other zones, but also not feel like I'm wasting my time and adding, like, three hours of gameplay by just because I want to feel nostalgia over here. I don't know.
• 26:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, absolutely. I agree. I agree. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker B: I want them to revamp the starting zone where I come out of the hospital, surged up, ready to go. I take on the world. I get on my mouth. I'm riding through Stormwind, hair blowing in the wind. It's bundles. It's bundles. It's that my. My hair is so long, it's touching the butt of my horse.
• 26:42
  Speaker A: And right.
• 26:43
  Speaker B: I arrive to Anduin, who's sitting there on his knees, begging for me to take this quest. I get off the horse pussy first and walk over to him and say, beautiful. What do you want, darling? And that's the start of World of Warcraft. That's what we need.
• 27:01
  Speaker A: You are a true wordsmith, a storyteller.
• 27:04
  Speaker B: Thank you.
• 27:05
  Speaker A: Right here. That touched me. That was touching. And actually, in fact, you're welcome.
• 27:10
  Speaker B: You're welcome.
• 27:11
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker B: Sign up for my fantasy. Yeah, sorry.
• 27:14
  Speaker A: Go. Go on. Other than that, I've been feeling, obviously, the downtime in. Wow. A little bit. I'm also. I was just feel like, you know, the viewer. Numbers are dropping. View numbers are dropping, content is dropping in. Wow. That is just like. Which is fair. Like the game. I think it's good for a game to have downtime sometimes to then bring more excitement because it can't be a constant high, obviously. So we can get more excited again about new content. I'm excited about 12.07 because they're also bringing up a bunch of new stuff to collect. I'm also excited about turbulent timeways, but I am definitely taking a bit of a slower approach to wow right now.
• 27:51
  Speaker B: Yeah. And this is a great time for us to actually announce that Azotheth Attitude is no longer a World of Warcraft podcast. We are now a podcast about Fortnite because.
• 28:04
  Speaker A: Okay, but funny thing, I literally played. Literally played Fortnite, like, two weeks ago in London with a friend, and I was like, wait, I kind of live.
• 28:12
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 28:14
  Speaker A: I kind of liked it. I was like, there's no way you'll ever catch me that playing that game. Okay? Like, this is not for me. Like, I'm not Google Gaga, Okay. But then people have the exact same opinion about wow being like, I'm not playing that game. This is like, this. This and preconceived notions. And then my friend was like, no, you trust me. It's so fun. Let's play. And I'm like, you know what? I'll watch you play. I love watching people play games like that. And then I was watching, and I was like, no, you should do that. You should do that. But he was like, you should play. And then we played together, and I had the time of my life. It was so fun. Like, tell me why I'm playing this game. I'm running around. I'm, like, all, like, focus. And then there's Kim Kardashian shooting me in the head.
• 28:55
  Speaker B: Yep, yep.
• 28:56
  Speaker A: There's Chapel Roan coming down on a big blue dragon. And then there's Sabrina Carpenter performing, like, a K pop dance next to me. Like, what is going on in this game? It's so unserious.
• 29:10
  Speaker B: Yes, it is so unserious. I. Okay, listen, I do find Fortnite fun. I really do enjoy Fortnite.
• 29:21
  Speaker A: You should play together.
• 29:22
  Speaker B: I'm down. I'm down. I My shout out to my friend Taylor Luke out here in Austin. He is constantly asking me to play Fortnite. Or he's not asking, but he plays for it. That's his game. He's like, always, like, fortnite. Fortnite. Fortnite. So whenever we play a game, I'm like, all right, I'll play some Fortnite with you. And I do like Fortnite. For me, it becomes so hard to play, like, more than, like, two matches, because it feels like the game always plays out the same, at least whenever stale, it becomes very stale very quickly.
• 29:57
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker B: As opposed to when I remember when I Fortnite Back in the day, they had way less bots. Like, I feel like whenever you're playing Fortnite and tell me if this is the case for when you were playing the first, like, two teams you always run into to fight are always bots,
• 30:18
  Speaker A: always bots, always bots. And I remember my friend was like, oh, this. This person's real. This person's real. I'm like, it's not everybody, really. He's like, no, these are bots. And you can tell if you're a new player, and you can get down four people in front of you, and then there's a diva that runs up to you, you blink, and you're dead. You know that this was a bar, and this was a real player.
• 30:36
  Speaker B: Yeah. And the bots, I get it. Because they're like. They want you to, like, why are they doing that? So I think they're doing it because they want you to feel like you are playing the game and contributing. Also, they want you to be able to get better guns and stuff for the late portion where you're fighting real people. Because what old Fortnite used to be like was there were, in my opinion, a lot more chests around the map. So it became like, oh, I'm running around looking for all these chests to get better items. And you were less hunting people in the game to get better guns. And you were actually, like, having to search for stuff. This was also before Zero Build. So you were also gathering supplies.
• 31:23
  Speaker A: I don't. I don't do the building thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker B: I don't hate the building.
• 31:26
  Speaker A: Hate. Hate.
• 31:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, I hate the building. So the formula of the game was very different, and you were running into real people all the time because they were also searching for chess. But then they, like, switched it during Zero Build, and now it becomes very, like, like you said, goo Goo Gaga, because you. You'll be playing Fortnite. And I'm like, is this player just swinging their ax at this door? Like, they're like.
• 31:55
  Speaker A: Like, where are you aiming, girl? Like, what are we doing?
• 31:57
  Speaker B: I'll be standing still, and they'll be. It's all around me.
• 32:01
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker B: I'm like, yeah. Is she drunk? So when I play Fortnite, it gets very tiring. Also, I have a little bit of a bone to pick with Epic Games because they, well, obviously, like, with the layoffs and stuff like that, but, oh, Fortnite Save the World was what the original Fortnite was. And the original Fortnite wasn't a battle royale game at all. It was, like a tower defense game and. Oh, yeah, so there were, like, swarms of zombies. You would. It was like, kind of RPG because you were, like, leveling up your, like, soldiers and stuff like that. So then they came out with this battle royale mode because of, like, Arma and a few other games, like Daisy
• 32:47
  Speaker A: or did a very first battle royale game, by the way, because it's the very first that I've learned of.
• 32:51
  Speaker B: No, no, it's definitely not the first. It was, okay. The most pubg was around. It was very, very popular when Fortnite Battle Royale came out. And the Fortnite Battle Royale came out, became wildly popular, especially when they went to mobile devices. And that's why there's that whole lawsuit right now. Because Fortnite made a lot of money by showing up on iOS and Android. And they weren't giving Apple a cut of the microtransactions that were. I don't know, something like that. They weren't giving a cut of the microtransactions that were happening in the game. And so Apple was like, you owe us money. And then that's why they took it off of mobile. Anyway, they re released Save the World recently so you can go back and play the original version of Fortnite Mama. It's hot garbage. I forgot. I was like. I had. I had nostalgia glasses this entire time. I'd be like, oh, my God, I really missed this. I really miss this. I told my friend Taylor, hop on. I'm gonna show you what the real Fortnite used to be like. We hopped into that and I was like, oh, my God, this is so bad. This is ass. This is poop out of a butt.
• 34:05
  Speaker A: This is. Yeah, it was bad.
• 34:08
  Speaker B: It was real bad.
• 34:09
  Speaker A: Anyway, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking.
• 34:14
  Speaker B: And she said it. She wasn't joking.
• 34:16
  Speaker A: I'm joking.
• 34:17
  Speaker B: For those that are audio only. She's shaking her head no. She's like this. She said, I'm just kidding. That actually gets us onto a really good topic of, like, other games. Because while WoW is in this drought, I think it is interesting to, like, talk about, like, other games that we've played growing up. And, yeah, while we still play wow. We still enjoy wow. There has been this, like, nostalgia craze that's been kind of going on in
• 34:44
  Speaker A: gaming where people are session indicator.
• 34:47
  Speaker B: Recession, Mama. Recession, Depression, Mama.
• 34:50
  Speaker A: Why is everything being remade right now? Because nobody wants to take any risk. Nobody wants to take. Everybody's going to be banking on things that they know are popular and they're banking on nostalgia and reminiscing of a world that was in a better place.
• 35:03
  Speaker B: Yeah, I.
• 35:05
  Speaker A: And I am 100% a victim to that, because I will sign up for it. Yep.
• 35:09
  Speaker B: Here's my wallet. Here's my money. Open your purse.
• 35:13
  Speaker A: F words. Because I will.
• 35:16
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, here's my credit card. Yeah. Swipe it. So a game that. A remake. Speaking of remakes. I'm so excited for. It has not been announced, but I have a sneaking suspicion it will be. I'm a huge God of war. Girly love God of war. And so there. There are rumors that they're remaking the trilogy. The first, second, and third game to, like, be in this, like, new graphic fidelity.
• 35:43
  Speaker A: Gag, gag, gag, gag, gag, gag.
• 35:45
  Speaker B: Put it in eating that.
• 35:47
  Speaker A: I will be gobbling that up. Put it in a blender and shove it up my ass.
• 35:52
  Speaker B: I want crate.
• 35:53
  Speaker A: People just say, I'm excited.
• 35:55
  Speaker B: I want Kratos to take those blades that are on his hands, take the chain, wrap it around my neck, flick me like a yo yo, and then spit on me when that game comes out.
• 36:09
  Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I want him to take double blades, slice me open and stick me back together. And then I will apologize. Anyway. Yeah. So I'm also excited about that. Like, God of War 2, I think. Do you remember the PlayStation Portable?
• 36:26
  Speaker B: Yes, the PSP.
• 36:27
  Speaker A: Fierce.
• 36:28
  Speaker B: Loved it.
• 36:29
  Speaker A: Fierce. Here's console. Okay. Like, and I remember getting it. I was in high school, and I. My sister was gonna go buy with me because I want. The only bundle that they had left was the one with God of War. Never played it before, and I was. And I couldn't buy it because I wasn't 18.
• 36:47
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 36:47
  Speaker A: But I really wanted it. And it was the last one, so my sister had to come with me. And I remember she had. She told me, I'll pick you up after school. And then I literally told the teacher, I have a headache, so I can leave earlier, because I really wanted it. And I've never. I've never been someone that's been, like, daring at school. I've always been that Becky very, like, you know, good boy. But I wanted it so bad. And then I did it, and I didn't care. And then she. And then we went there and we bought it. And I remember my mom was like, is this game for 18 hours? Like, just, like, put it away. So she's like, couldn't keep looking at it, you know? And then we were on this drive to vacation. We went. We went on vacation, and we were driving. It was like, A really long drive. And I was playing in the back of the car. And I remember playing it and I was so excited. Like the sounds and everything. It was so. It was such a good game.
• 37:33
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker A: But then I remember there was a scene pretty early on where he finds like a brothel and then he box. Oh.
• 37:40
  Speaker B: And then the mini game's like pushing the button. Pushing the button. And it's like,
• 37:49
  Speaker A: Yes. And I was just like, let me focus on not getting a boner right now because I'm a flaming teenager. That is like in puberty. Right. And I'm seeing a naked. And I'm seeing a man, A very attractive bald man having sex.
• 38:04
  Speaker B: Yeah. Kratos. If you're free.
• 38:07
  Speaker A: That'll just unlock the memory. Anyway, random. Random lore drop.
• 38:10
  Speaker B: Random lore drop. Art gets boner from playing God of war. P.S.
• 38:14
  Speaker A: but not art. Teenage art. You know, teenager. You get a boner on like having a thought like.
• 38:20
  Speaker B: Yes, no, absolutely. I remember. That's like a core memory for me. Not the getting a boner during the mini game, but those mini games in general. I.
• 38:32
  Speaker A: Let me just say I didn't actually get one. I focused on getting focused on not.
• 38:35
  Speaker B: Yeah. And that's.
• 38:36
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker B: And that's what we call tenacity. Hard work and empowering.
• 38:43
  Speaker A: Whatever. I'm waking up.
• 38:45
  Speaker B: So those mini games were crazy. And if they do remake God of War, imagine a hyphen fidelity version of that. I want to see.
• 38:53
  Speaker A: Are we going to be able to stream that?
• 38:56
  Speaker B: I mean, maybe. I. I want to see. It's be so high fidelity. I want to see Kratos's butt jiggle as.
• 39:04
  Speaker A: Okay, let's calm down. Wait.
• 39:08
  Speaker B: I. I want. I want it to be so high fidelity that I'm like, oh, like, I want to like. You're like, oh, wait. This is. This is a lot actually.
• 39:24
  Speaker A: This is a lot. Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker B: A little too. Too realistic. Like another. Okay, sorry. Does get us back on topic. Other games. Other games that we played growing up. I really enjoy and I'm very excited about this because it was announced. I and a lot of people didn't like it. Star Fox. I love Star Fox. Did you ever play Star Fox at all?
• 39:51
  Speaker A: No, but I'm not a furry, so.
• 39:53
  Speaker B: I mean, I'm not either.
• 39:54
  Speaker A: But I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I've never played Star Fox, but I think he's kind of attractive now go.
• 40:03
  Speaker B: You can't say I'm not a furry and then follow it up with I think he's attractive.
• 40:08
  Speaker A: Okay, like, but not like, because he's a fox, but because, like, his attitude is kind of hot, you know? Have you seen the. Have you seen the Super Mario 2 movie?
• 40:17
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 40:18
  Speaker A: He's like a bro, you know, he's kind of like this, like, stupid bro, even though he's not stupid. And then he also shows his emotions, so I think that's attractive. But I'm not attracted to a fox.
• 40:30
  Speaker B: Babes. That's where it starts anyway. Old games.
• 40:33
  Speaker A: Old games. Old games.
• 40:34
  Speaker B: Yeah. Star Fox.
• 40:35
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 40:35
  Speaker B: It's like babes. That's how it starts.
• 40:37
  Speaker A: Yeah, it's a. I don't really care for the remake that much because I've never played it, but I. The only. The only. The only times where I've like, played Star Fox was when I picked him as a character in Smash Bros.
• 40:48
  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, no, that. That makes sense. I think that's a lot of people's exposure to Star Fox and Falco. I loved playing Star Fox as a kid on the Nintendo 64. I'm not even kidding you. So in Star Fox, you go from, like, planet to planet to planet doing different missions, and there's like. It's kind of like a choose your own adventure type of deal. And there's, like, different endings. And I have legitimately done every single path you could potentially do in 64, and there's, like, hundreds of combinations. I have beat that game hundreds of times. Like, I love that game to death. So they announced this remake, and it looks a bit odd because it's, like, weird. Uncanny Valley. Realistic, like, anthropomorphic animals as, like, Fox. Falco, Slippy, Pepe. It's a bit weird, but I'm very excited for it. But what makes me mad, and this is a thing I think I've seen from other remakes and remasters, is if you're going to remake the game, I want you to add new things to the game. I literally don't just want you to update the graphics of the game.
• 42:02
  Speaker A: Pokemon.
• 42:03
  Speaker B: Pokemon. Yes. So Star Fox, it's truly just updated graphics with cutscenes in between the planets. But the missions are the exact same from Star Fox 64. Mind you, Star Fox 64 has been remade, like, I think, like, three or four times. So this is like the fourth time this game has been remade with additional graphics with no new content. I'm.
• 42:32
  Speaker A: That's not. That's not bad. I mean, I. On the some hand, I understand people that want a game just being remade, that it's exactly the same, but with better graphics. But I personally would also always prefer If I played that game a million times back in the day. Yes. Remake it, but also add something new, exciting about it. So it feels like we have still that like, like nostalgia of discovering new things. Like when they remade Pokemon diamond, which was my very first game.
• 42:58
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker A: I was so excited. And then the only thing that they did is they literally just made it like this like pixel, pixely chibi version and just updated graphics and that's it. I was so disappointed. So, yeah, I, I, I, I can see why people are disappointed at that.
• 43:17
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's like so annoying. I, I think, like, you've been on this Resident Evil kick, so. Resident Evil.
• 43:23
  Speaker A: So good.
• 43:24
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, Resident Evil 2 remake and 3 remake were great because it changed up the gameplay. It changed up, like the rooms and
• 43:33
  Speaker A: the puzzles a bit and the way you play. I mean, wasn't it just like rooms and then you look at the room in this way? It's like, like you're actually controlling the character and like you're seeing where he's looking and stuff.
• 43:42
  Speaker B: Speaking of, how is your Resident Evil journey been?
• 43:46
  Speaker A: Well, I'm supposed to play Resident Evil 4 and I really want to play it, but like I said, it's been a bit overwhelming after my break with what I want to do on stream. So obviously I'm still a WoW creator, so I want to play WoW. Yeah, but. And I have also promised that I'm going to stream Diablo, but I've done that yesterday, so I think that Diablo is now a check mark because I'm not going to continue streaming Diablo. I just feel like it's hard to connect to the audience when I'm playing Diablo because. Yeah, but. And then I'm also promised to do a BOPIA stream.
• 44:17
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker A: So after that, I think I'll do a Resident Evil or potentially do it on Monday, because Monday I'm gonna stream all day because I'm off. It's national holiday, so I might just do all day Resident Evil 4 on Monday. We'll see. We'll see. But I'm very excited for it.
• 44:32
  Speaker B: Oh my God, that's so exciting. I also have Monday off, so I will be locked in and tuned in to watching you play Resident Evil 4. If you play that. That game is so good.
• 44:41
  Speaker A: Okay. I guess allow I have to do it.
• 44:44
  Speaker B: You're like, oopsies. And then. And if you're listening to this, he's already done the Resident Evil 4 stream, or he chickened out and didn't do the Resident Evil 4 stream. But for future games, please go check out Arts. This is the second Twitch. Shout out. Shout out to Arts.
• 45:01
  Speaker A: Twitch. Yeah, but shout out to YouTube.
• 45:05
  Speaker B: No. Okay, but wait, I do have to say I did something that I've always wanted to do. Where. Okay, I've seen other content creators who kind of have this like niche, either category of game or niche type of content they tried to produce. Like you.
• 45:25
  Speaker A: So literally me, I. I couldn't be more niche.
• 45:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker A: Honestly. And so I feel like I set myself up for failure already.
• 45:33
  Speaker B: I feel you. So for 8 bit Dylan, the channel 8 bit Dylan, I used to be like variety gaming and I still like doing variety gaming but I want like my 8 bit Dylan streams to be like more structured and like this is the game that we are focused on right now. So it's either like World of Warcraft. Right now I've been into the Lego Batman game, the brand new legacy of the Arkham Knight one. So I made a separate channel for whenever. I don't want to put too much thought into streaming the content, but if people want to go watch that, they can. So I made a new twitch channel called 8 bit bonus track which is. I did this last week. It's only done. I've only done one stream on it and the 8bit bonus track. So if you want to go follow it, you can. It's gonna have like other additional things that I like to do that's not as structured. So there's not like a schedule for 8 bit bonus track. It's just whenever that's live, it's live. But it allows me to like play other games are also get clips from other games for short form content that like I don't want to stream on my like main one. So one thing that I started doing is I talked about this, I think in the last episode, how one of my hobbies is playing live reality games. So there is one that I played in season seven of called Greenhouse and season nine is currently airing and so I was like, I want to like talk about Greenhouse, but I don't want to do it on my main channel because my main channel audience doesn't like live reality games. I'll host a little segment on bonus track where I'm covering these. So I've started doing those over there. Like I'll invite a guest over, we'll talk about the episodes and it's just like fun little bonus content over there.
• 47:26
  Speaker A: It's been.
• 47:27
  Speaker B: I. I want to do more on that but I want it to be a thing where it's like when I'm not exhausted, I'M sitting down, I'm gonna already be playing a game. I'm like, let's just put up the bonus track stream, why not? And people can like tune in if they want to tune in. I'm not posting it to my socials. It's just like truly bonus content. If you're in my discord, you'll see it. Or if you're following the channel, you'll see it. And that's about it. It's been kind of, it's been kind of fun. Just like doing content for the sake of content.
• 47:54
  Speaker A: It's nice to have. Not this. Like, because I'm not gonna lie, it is obviously a numbers game and I fly and I'm trying to, like, I have a very clear goal that I want to do it full time one day. So seeing your numbers plummet the second you talk about a different game is really discouraging.
• 48:12
  Speaker B: Absolutely.
• 48:12
  Speaker A: If there might be like two or three people in my chat that are asking me all the time, when are you going to play Resident Evil? And it makes me feel that, like, everybody wants to play Resident Evil, but the second I turn off World of Warcraft.
• 48:24
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker A: 60% of the people just disengage and leave. And it's hard to justify when you, when it literally ties to the amount of money you make.
• 48:34
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 48:35
  Speaker A: It is hard to then still be like, oh, but you know, I'll do it because three people have asked, you know, so it's like, it's, it's pretty tough. It's really, really tough. But it's also, at the same time, it's also extremely hard to obviously grow as a variety streamer because you don't get that connection with people that much.
• 48:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:52
  Speaker A: Like, they truly have to be there for you. And for that you have to like, that takes years.
• 48:57
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:57
  Speaker A: But with World of Warcraft, it obviously is like, people know me for that. I make content about that. And I love World of Warcraft, but I also, like every other human being, love to switch it up sometimes. And I would also love to make content about other games, but whenever I do, I feel like I am just getting side eyed. I'm sure so many people are gonna say, no, that's so not true. We're all here for you. Yes. Like a, a core amount of people are, which is honestly all that you need. But it still affects you psychologically. Like, I can't turn that off.
• 49:30
  Speaker B: You know, it's a business. It's a business and you kind of have to have a business mindset behind it.
• 49:36
  Speaker A: I Can't turn that off. Like, that's. That's always just going to affect me. It's like, obviously the idea is that we're, like, playing games together, we're hanging out together, but at the end of the day, I want to make this my job one day, and for that I have to also make these decisions that sometimes are just a little bit more like, slow, stern, I guess. I don't know.
• 49:55
  Speaker B: One thing, if anyone's listening to this and is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. One thing that truly does help, and I cannot stress this enough. Listen, love lurkers to death, but people commenting in the chat is truly what makes the stream feel alive and st. But so, like, we can tell when you switch a game and all of a sudden you go from having like five or six people having a conversation to two people, two people talking to you every five minutes. And you're like, now, where did all these girls go that said that they wanted to watch this? And so that's.
• 50:33
  Speaker A: Yes. People would be like, oh, my God, do this, do this, do this. And then you do it and it's like crickets.
• 50:38
  Speaker B: Crickets.
• 50:39
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker B: So I feel you.
• 50:42
  Speaker A: You bounce off of your chat. Like, that's. I've always been like that. I'm a chatty streamer. So if my chat doesn't chat, then there is no chatting. There's no chatting, you know, and it's like, then I might as well just turn all. Turn off these uncomfortable lights, put on, like, comfy clothes and, like, slouch into my chair and just play by myself on Discord with Friends, you know?
• 51:04
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker A: But I'm also thinking maybe I'll just not stream it at all, but record it on obs.
• 51:11
  Speaker B: You could.
• 51:12
  Speaker A: And just talk. Talk to myself. Well, not like, fake. Fake a conversation, but like, talk about, like, you know, like the way you would stream to zero viewers. You would just speak about the game that you're playing right now, like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. Oh, my God. This, this and that. You know, not like answering chat, you know?
• 51:29
  Speaker B: Oh, my God, guys, wait. Do you feel that? I think art just invented YouTube content. Do you feel that?
• 51:36
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker B: Do you feel that? The error and. Oh, my God, I think we're. We're in front of a genius. Wait, the way that you set that
• 51:49
  Speaker A: up, though, you're like, to get your opinion on that and instead of making fun of me.
• 51:54
  Speaker B: Sorry, sorry. It was just the way that you said that. I feel like, wait, what if I
• 51:57
  Speaker A: like no, because you looked at me like I'm. You looked at me like I'm saying something weird. So then I, then what I tend to do is over explain it because you looked at me like I do think. Wait, did I say something wrong? And then I over explained that.
• 52:10
  Speaker B: No, you're good. I do think it's a. I do think it's a good idea though. I strongly suggest, and this goes to anyone who's listening, I don't practice what I preach because I don't want content to content creation to be my full time job. But if, if anyone has content creation as their full job, that is what they want to do. You need to be making long form YouTube content. This is not, this is not like, oh, I can just do short form content and live streaming and call it a day, babes. If you are not planning long form content, you do not have the longevity to survive in this industry. You have to build an audience that's willing to sit down and watch a video of yours, not just a live stream.
• 52:57
  Speaker A: Yes, 100%. I mean I started with just making short form content and I get like, like people will constantly be like, oh, so how did you grow your channel? How did you grow your channel? And I'm always like, I can't. Like I wish I could just tell you like, okay, you know, stream and then make clips and then post it and you're going to get viral clips and it's going to bring you in people. No it doesn't, doesn't, it doesn't. I've had several videos go mega viral. People see you for a few seconds on their screen and then they follow you and then they keep scrolling. And for someone to come into your Twitch chat is already such a niche experience technically when you think about it. Yeah, like what? Like, like you, like I rarely see someone's clip and then go like, oh, I'm gonna go follow them on Twitch and then I'm gonna see when they're live and then I'm gonna like, that really something really needs to happen. A lot needs to happen between that for the person to actually do that and then also stay in your stream. Sometimes I'll eventually have people be like, oh, you're that guy from the reels. And they'll like write a message and then they'll never come back, you know, so it's like you have to somewhere build a relationship with people where they would want to stay. So obviously like socializing on Twitch helps like with other, other communities that also helps grow. But when I really experience the biggest growth on my channel is when I posted my tier set review video on YouTube. The first one and that one already got a lot of use and
• 54:27
  Speaker B: so
• 54:27
  Speaker A: many people came from that. So, so, so so many people. And they, they ended up staying because they watched like a long video of mine and had fun and then they started that, that. Because that was literally that happened on stream. The whole video.
• 54:38
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker A: So then when they saw that the energy is similar, these people tend to stay. And then also obviously it's also I think a little bit of luck. And then when housing came out a lot of people, a lot of attention got to World of Warcraft and I think that's also how a lot of people found me. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Just posting like clips on social is unfortunately not going to grow a stream as much as people think it is.
• 54:59
  Speaker B: Yeah, I. Oof.
• 55:00
  Speaker A: I could truly especially these like viral moments. Like the viral moments are so short lived. They are not gonna help you grow your stream. Like it is what it is.
• 55:10
  Speaker B: No, it's so true. I want, I could go on and on. I know we're like almost at time and we still have a video but
• 55:17
  Speaker A: I find that so interesting.
• 55:19
  Speaker B: Yeah, I could, we could dedicate an entire episode to like content creation because I mean I've been in this industry truly for like 12 years and I like literally work with influencers in my day to day job all the time. So it's been really interesting to see like the trends and the content creators who are actually doing well like what they're doing as opposed to where I see like a bunch of twitch streamers. I think this is why in my opinion a lot of twitch streamers are struggling right now is because they are not focusing on the content that they're making outside of short form content. Like so many of them just feel like I can post a twitch clip and that's all, that's all I need to do.
• 55:58
  Speaker A: It was a really hard work. So I. It is why people are not doing it. It is so much. It is easy to press live. I mean not super easy but it is pretty. It's a lot easier to just press live and be like haha, laughing with chat. That is very easy to do.
• 56:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker A: Especially if you have an active chat. But girl, I mean I don't have to tell you, you've done the whole YouTube thing. It's so intense. It's so much work. And for the video to get 300 views. Yeah, but this is a lot of work.
• 56:29
  Speaker B: The thing though that is really exciting about that though, is making long form content. Oh, see, this is me on a soapbox. Let me just not. But making long form content.
• 56:42
  Speaker A: Please say that even if, even if
• 56:45
  Speaker B: it doesn't get a lot of viewership, you shouldn't ever make a long form video expecting it to go viral and get thousands of views. It's instead, you should view it as a bank of content. So that way whenever you do get a new viewer, they now have 20 other videos that they can continue watching you on because now they become obsessed with you. Because if you, it's actually really bad if you upload only one video and then that video goes viral because then they have nothing else to watch and then they forget about you the next day. You need to have like consistent like content that they can show up in their feed. They can go back and watch. They're like, oh, I really liked this, this one video. Oh my God, I now have five more I can like watch and put on. Yes, the back burner.
• 57:29
  Speaker A: That is 100% true. And for short form, I think it also counts, like if you have one viral moment that people follow you from, they're going to see all your other videos that honestly are sometimes so much better than the one that got a lot of views because that got randomly a lot of views. It gets a lot of views because people are hating on it. You know, like, it doesn't mean that it's a good video. But with YouTube, that exact thing happened to me. I mean, that's not a lot of views. I got that. My first video that I posted on YouTube got 10,000 views and I was like, oh my God, oh my God, like YouTube call me like, boom, next video. None of that obviously. But then people obviously, like so many were coming to my chat and be like, more, more, more, more, more. Because there was nothing else. Yeah, so that's, that's a very, that's actually really good advice what you just said. Yeah, I'm taking that myself. Like, it's. No, yeah, I mean it is, it is disheartening. Putting so much work in and then obviously looking at numbers and being like, Damn, I've spent five or six full working days for a video that made 40.
• 58:32
  Speaker B: Said, yeah, it's so disheartening. I remember back when I was like a full time YouTuber, I mean I, my workday was so disgusting. When I was full time content creating, I was uploading at my peak, I think it was two to three video long form videos a week, live streaming every single day. And this is back before short form content was a thing. So I was making vines dating myself. I was making like two vines a week. And that was not ideal. You were supposed to be making vines every single day if you wanted to.
• 59:12
  Speaker A: Oh, that reminds me of something. Tick tock.
• 59:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 59:15
  Speaker A: Every single day.
• 59:17
  Speaker B: Every single day. So these my workday. I was truly working 12 hours a day. Every single day. No days off, no weekends off, no nothing. I felt disgusting. I was like scripting content, filming the content, being in the editing bay at least like nine hours. Editing those videos.
• 59:40
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker B: And then after that I would like eat and then I would go live at night to make the money back because I knew my YouTube videos wouldn't make enough money back. So I had to make the money back during my Twitch streams. And my Twitch streams I would make like. I was like, cool. I got like 20 subs. That's like a hundred dollars maybe, I don't know, some. Something. Something to go towards my bills. It was tough.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker A: 20 subs got you a hundred dollars.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker B: Maybe not. I. The bath's wrong on that. It's definitely not 100.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker A: You lived good back then, then.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker B: No, no, definitely it wasn't. But you know, it's also crazy to think about is. I know we still have to answer this question, but the. When I was at my peak viewership. Now is not that now this isn't the case. But at my peak viewership, I was at 500 to 600 viewers every time I went live making Minecraft content.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker A: This is okay.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker B: Pokemon crazy. Back in the day, like I'm telling you, like 10 years ago, when I was.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker A: Back then, people actually made money on Twitch, right? No.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker B: Oh my God, no. Because all the contracts were shit. It was, it was the 5050 contract.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker A: But it wouldn't realize how little people make on Twitch. Like, it's crazy. People thought that once I got partner, I'm like rich now. Like, girl. Yeah, I couldn't pay my rent.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker B: It was crazy though. I would have like 500 viewers every time I would go live. I'm playing Minecraft. The chat would be super active dust, money wise dust. Because my audience, the Twitch was so new, so different. So then I switched to variety content and my viewership plummeted. But my profits went up because the people, people were more likely to like, want to subscribe to me because they were older, an older audience. They weren't these kids watching Minecraft. So I thought that it was really interesting that like, despite having like all these viewers, I wasn't making shit from It. But as I got less viewers from the content, I was actually making more money because I was. Obviously my energy shifted because I was playing games that I really liked and really enjoyed. And so people were like, oh, wow, you're, like, having more fun with this. So it's like, it's such a delicate balance.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker B: Let's. Let's quickly answer this viewer question. So we are already past an hour,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker A: so I don't want to. It's fine if we. We have one video. It's a little longer, girl.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker B: Oh, my God, no.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker A: The.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker B: The podcast police are going to come and arrest me.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker A: Oh, no. You get to have more time with us. Oh.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker B: We do have one viewer question reminder. If you want to submit your question for a future episode of Azeroth with Attitude, please do a Roth with attitudemail.com or leave us a YouTube comment. Let us know your name, your character's name, what, where you're from, your class, race spec. Anything you want to let us know about you.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker A: Yeah. And it doesn't have to be wild related.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker B: It does not. Please ask us anything. This one is. Wow, Related.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker A: Okay, maybe not anything. Ask me anything
• 1:02:51
  Speaker B: and I'll answer it. Sure. I actually have a redemption on my Twitch channel where it's truly. You can ask me any question and you spend channel points and I will answer it now. Whether or not I ask you what.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker A: No, that's really dangerous.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker B: It just depends.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker A: What if they ask you, like, give us your address.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker B: I'll give them an address. I don't know if it's the right one. I'll answer. Okay.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Okay. You're metagaming. You're meta.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker B: I'm not a gaming. Yeah. This question is from. Is it Bitter Batter? Bitter Batter. Yeah, Batter. Hi, my name is Batter from Saudi Arabia. Shout out. I play a bad.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker A: But, yeah, no, it's fine. Sorry. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna force you to.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker B: No, you know what? You say the question.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker A: No.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker B: No. I'll say.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker A: No, you should say it. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker B: My name is. How do you say.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker A: It's fine. It's fine.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker B: Okay. From Saudi Arabia. I play a void elf warlock named Onyxian on Argentdawn. Eu. I just want to say I love this podcast so much and look forward to it every week. My question is, what's your absolute favorite spec? She said square.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker A: It was hard.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker B: I know. I know. The way you did it, though.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker A: I look like a square.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker B: What is your absolute favorite spec? Mine personally is Demonology.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker A: Shocking. This is my sister. We used to raid together.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker B: Oh, okay.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker A: Yeah. Before my streaming thing started, we used to raid together in a guild. We're both not in this guild anymore because Flops. No, I'm joking, So I'm not surprised. They are like, the Warlock.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker B: Okay. They are the only Warlock.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker A: Oh, no, not the only.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker B: Ooh, this is tough. This is really tough. I would say thematically and mechanic wise, my favorite Spec, even though I don't really play them that much, is probably a Mist Weaver Monk. I. I really like the idea of a monk that's kind of like weaving this magic to heal people. It just looks really cool. The animations are just really sickening. I like the green, like, mist that kind of surrounds you and goes over to your allies. That's probably my favorite spec in the game. Like, thematically, mechanically, my favorite spec to play in the game. I have the most time with Fire Mage, but it is far from being my favorite spec. It has not gotten any love since Legion. It truly just feels like a shell of what it used to be. And I really want them to, like, fully revamp Fire Mage in future expansions.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker A: Same, same. I want them to move away from that whole combust window. And then after that, you hit like a wet noodle. It's so boring. Or like, you pray for a proc. Like, I hate that. For me, that's a really hard question to answer because I read the question before I started the episode, and I, like, could. Couldn't give you an outright answer, like, the way he does. Yeah, I love Warlock, but I can't pick up a favorite spec. The specs change so much every season, and some like. Like right now, I love Affliction, but I used to hate Affliction, but now I love Affliction, but I don't have. I don't have this, like, strong identity in World of Warcraft that some people have where it's like, oh, they are this feral Druid. I'm not like that. I love. I love playing Alts. I love playing all kinds of classes. I love the fantasy of Mage, but I would never say Mage is my favorite spec. I love Warlock. I feel like I'm a Warlock main, but I also can't tell you that I'll always play Warlock. I might play a hunter next season. You never know. Yeah, Like, I'm not. I don't really have such a strong, like, identity tied to a class, so
• 1:06:40
  Speaker B: she didn't give an answer. She just can't. I can't.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker A: I tell you what is. Right now, it's Affliction.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker B: Okay. I have a Reverse of this question. What is your least favorite spec in the game, if you have one?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker A: I've not even played all of them, which is crazy.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker B: I mean, just like from the ones you played, what would you say is probably your least favorite?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker A: Assassination Rogue.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker B: Oh, okay.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker A: My God, is that boring? My God, it is kind of boring.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker B: Yeah. I, I, I like the, I like the class fantasy of it where it's like, oh, I'm going stealth and I'm like hitting these people.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker A: It's literally called ass rogue. Just saying.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker B: Yeah, truly. But I think guess. Yeah, that makes sense because, like, mechanically there's not really a need to stealth. I mean, I guess mechanically there is, but the game is not set up to be played like a stealth game. Certain missions are. But yeah, yeah, it's.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker A: And plus, if you keep chain pulling, you're hated as a bro because you can't go stealth. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, I don't like it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker B: While I think my least favorite, if I had to say, obviously, like I said what I said about fire mage, I don't like, this is gonna sound crazy.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker A: Oh, God.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker B: I guess narratively, I don't understand, is it discipline? Discipline priest. Listen, listen. Mechanically, they are fun, but the idea of a priest, like, can you imagine, like in the world of World of Warcraft, a priest using both light and void magic? Like, I just don't know how that works mechanically, like, in the game. All right, sorry. Not mechanically. Lore wise. In the game. Like, no holy church is going to be like, yes, girl, use those void spells.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker A: But they're not like an actual priest priest. They're not like the holy priest. The holy priest is the typical priest you would go to. A discipline priest is a rogue priest, in my opinion. You know, like a priest that's like evil. Also, like, a disciplined priest is not a good priest. Okay. I always saw them as these like gothic bondagey, like BDSM queens that are like, they have these like kind of like Lady Gaga.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, tonight I'll be that never to do it again. Our go to.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker A: No, but like more like, you know, like Disease by Lady Gaga where she's like, like there's always these like, religious themes, but it's also so dark and gothic. That's a good priest. Is to me. You know what, you're right in the lore, I guess. Yeah, sure. It's like a little me, but for me, but like, but, but which, which one do you hate playing?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker B: Okay, I hate playing marksmanship. Hunter. I, I like me laugh. I like the Idea of a Marksmanship Hunter. And I have a marksmanship Hunter, but it just, like, is not fun. Like, the road. Like, there's not a lot of. Like, at least when I played. I haven't played it in this most recent expansion when they've clipped a lot of the classes. But Marksmanship Hunter back in the day was like, all right, set up the shot. We've got the shot. Maybe put some dots on them. Like, all right, here we go. I like the idea of, like, pulling out a rifle, like, shooting and, like, being all cool like that. But. But the other specs are a lot cooler for Hunter.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker A: I agree with that. Yeah. Like, then there's Frost Mage, where you literally have, like, icicles around you all the time. And, like, spells and winds and magic effects. And then there's marksman, which goes. Yep.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker B: With that fucking rifle. Me as my mechagnome, shaking her titties, shooting the rifle. That's, like, bigger than she is.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker A: Anyway,
• 1:10:51
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• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:16
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• 1:11:19
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. Not like that. Not like that. No, not like that.
• 1:11:25
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• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:48
  Speaker B: Yeah, and you get episodes literally every Thursday morning. Like, I mean, we've been mama. We've been consistent for 21 weeks now.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker A: Like, I mean, I have not been here for 21 weeks. But you have.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker B: It's fine, it's fine.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker A: But I have a new nose now. I can breathe air. Premium.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker B: And wait, do you smell that? It's a more successful channel if you were to subscribe to YouTube, period. Well, thank you all so much for listening in to this episode of Azeroth's. Attitude. We will see you all next week where we are going to tell you all the stories about TwitchCon Rotterdam, because this will be post. No, we might have another one because we might have to bank an episode, so we'll see.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker A: I was going to say because are we going to have time.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we might as well. We'll Talk about a TwitchCon Rotterdam in the future.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, but.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes, but thank you all. Thank you all so much for listening. And we'll see you all next week with another episode.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker A: Bye, everyone.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker B: Bye.