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INTERVIEW: Jalen Rose Talks 'South West High,' NIL, NBA/Sports Betting; Players & Agents Podcasting + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Every day we click yours up the
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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. I'm finish for y'all done morning.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's dj n V. Just hilarious, charlamage the guy. We
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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. Long the roses here as well.
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Speaker 2: We got a special guest.
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Speaker 1: In the building, gentlemen, don't family member, how you feeling that?
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Speaker 1: I'm blessed. I'm great to be here, and uh, I
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Speaker 1: just want to congratulate you guys for having a number
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Speaker 1: one spot. You know what I'm saying. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: a Detroit native. I spent a lot of time in
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Speaker 1: LA I spent a lot of time in Atlanta and
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Speaker 1: obviously in New York, but y'all everywhere, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: So congratulations, congratulations to you two. You got to add
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Speaker 3: a producer and acted to your resume. Now, yes, indeed,
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Speaker 3: but what made you want to start the entertainment production company?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an opportunity to either be at
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Speaker 1: the table or you know, create one. And you know,
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Speaker 1: being in this game for so very a lot of
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Speaker 1: people sometimes when you're an athlete, they underestimate the fact
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Speaker 1: that you're a creator as well. So you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: an educated human being, Like I went to college and
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Speaker 1: communications was my major in radio, TV film. So what
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Speaker 1: you guys are doing and what I'm doing is like
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Speaker 1: my life. So I pay attention to what's on the
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Speaker 1: walls and the microphones and the cameras and everything. And
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Speaker 1: so it was just really an opportunity for me to
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Speaker 1: grow from being a television personality to curating content but
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Speaker 1: also being a CEO of Same Page Entertainment and acting.
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Speaker 1: And now we got a series out right now called
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Speaker 1: Southwest High. Make sure y'all run it up on tob
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Speaker 1: We got the number one spot to talk about that.
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Speaker 1: What is Southwest High about? So Southwest High is a
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Speaker 1: modern day version of Lean on Me. It's NBA legend.
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Speaker 1: Nolan Thomas returns to his hometown and wants to save
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Speaker 1: the high school that he attended before it closes. And
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Speaker 1: usually when people tell the story of our people, they
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Speaker 1: tell the story of smaller kids because we're still considered
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Speaker 1: cute and cuddly and innocent and all of that stuff.
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Speaker 1: But they don't tell the story of high school kids.
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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to do that. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: highlight the amazing things that they're doing and the discipline
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Speaker 1: at their show, and the educators and the sacrifices that
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Speaker 1: they make, but also the challenges that they need to overcome,
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Speaker 1: because we all know, you know, the issues that a
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Speaker 1: third grader has is different from the issues that an
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Speaker 1: eleventh grader has, the sex, drugs, violence, gangs, the exposure
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Speaker 1: to losing their innocence so very early. So I wanted
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Speaker 1: to just be in a position to tell those stories
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Speaker 1: and the same page entertainment, I have that opportunity, so
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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful. But you did that in real life.
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Speaker 3: I mean just opening up the jail and roles leadership
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Speaker 3: academy I did.
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Speaker 1: And the funny thing, I watched Lean on Me like
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty times Smoke Crack Don't exactly, and
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Speaker 1: I was taking acting classes and watching that show and
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Speaker 1: I and it gave me confidence because I was like,
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Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman a better actor than me, but he don't
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Speaker 1: have a real school, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: it was like me just like really getting into the character.
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Speaker 1: And I have some amazing people around me, Twanda Braxon,
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Speaker 1: don Have Kenny Brooklyn Queen, Like there's so many dope
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Speaker 1: people that make me look good. Stevie Bragg's and so
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about the project. You're lead actor.
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Speaker 4: How did you end up being it?
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Speaker 1: So that's what you wanted to do? Well? When I
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Speaker 1: woke up one morning, I didn't say, Hey, I want
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Speaker 1: to be the founder of a school or I want
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Speaker 1: to be an actor type of thing. It just kind
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Speaker 1: of happened naturally because usually and I was been in
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Speaker 1: the lab so much. I realized that many of my
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Speaker 1: favorite movies feature comedians or artists, but a lot of
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Speaker 1: times athletes in today's society don't do scripted. So when
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Speaker 1: I grew up, they were like blaxploitations. It was like
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Speaker 1: Jim Brown and so many other people. And then it
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Speaker 1: became The Rock and earlier was Fred to Hammer Williamson,
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Speaker 1: Like they were doing scripted, And so in my mind
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Speaker 1: that I wanted to like be disciplined enough to like
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Speaker 1: get in to the classes and learn the lines and
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Speaker 1: learn posture and all of the things that come with
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Speaker 1: trying to like get into a character. So that's what
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Speaker 1: really became Nolan Thomas, who I play in Southwest High
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Speaker 1: I feel.
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Speaker 5: Like the series like Touches, but not directly on like
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Speaker 5: the Survivors remorse conversation, right, how much of your own
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Speaker 5: I don't even I mean what you experienced in survivor's
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Speaker 5: morps and going back and doing all things you do,
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Speaker 5: did you put into.
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Speaker 1: This a lot of it? Because you know, inner city
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Speaker 1: young people lose their innocence so young, Like just imagine
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Speaker 1: being like that kid that grows up in the inner
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Speaker 1: city and you in the living room and I was
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Speaker 1: this kid. You know, your parents watching Scarface, they smoking weed,
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Speaker 1: they're cussing there, They're doing a lot of things that
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Speaker 1: are a five six seven year old mind sometimes is
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Speaker 1: not able to process. And it's all exactly so there
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Speaker 1: was the grown up space table, and there's the little
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Speaker 1: kid space table, you know, and for me, it's just
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Speaker 1: like to tell the story of a lot of different perspectives,
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Speaker 1: but also to shatter a lot of stereotypes. And I
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Speaker 1: talked about like the early movies, but what about the nineties.
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Speaker 1: You can have budgets for people that were telling stories
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Speaker 1: and it would be like message, So you can have
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Speaker 1: don't be a minutes, and you can have minutes to society.
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Speaker 1: You can have like so many different stories that depict
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Speaker 1: all sides of us. And so if I asked each
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Speaker 1: of you, which I ain't gonna make y'all do right now,
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Speaker 1: but I just want you to think about it. If
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Speaker 1: you were going on a date and you were gonna
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Speaker 1: watch a movie this Friday, what would you go see?
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Speaker 1: Just oh oh, it's just some hard stuff out it correct,
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Speaker 1: nothing for us. Correct. That's the point. So my purpose
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Speaker 1: is to try to bring back with ice Cube and Spike,
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Speaker 1: Lee and the Wayne's brothers and so many other people
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Speaker 1: before me who had budgets that could tell stories for
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Speaker 1: people that look like us, but tell all sides of us.
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Speaker 1: And that's what Southwest High does. It's Yes, there's a
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Speaker 1: young lady that's pregnant in high school, but she's also
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Speaker 1: a four point zho student. Her father was murdered, but
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Speaker 1: before he got killed, he was at all of the
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Speaker 1: school events. He was at all of her games. You know,
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Speaker 1: there are issues with families, but you notice there sometimes
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Speaker 1: there's two parents in a parent teacher conference, not just one.
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Speaker 1: So it's just like little things that get a chance
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Speaker 1: to tell all sides of our story.
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Speaker 3: Did you take any inspiration from your own real life
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Speaker 3: high school experience?
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Speaker 1: I did, and I do. And the incredible thing that
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Speaker 1: I want people to know about inner city young people
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Speaker 1: is like the challenges that they have to deal with
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Speaker 1: are undefeated. Like when I went to school, if we
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Speaker 1: had social media, I wouldn't be here now, Like just
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Speaker 1: real like the when I go to our school, like
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Speaker 1: I have a public high school in Detroit, and our
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Speaker 1: young people and our families trust me enough to wear uniforms,
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Speaker 1: So they wear blazers. They submit their cell phones in
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Speaker 1: the morning, and people say, so, what happens if there's
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Speaker 1: an emergency, the same thing that happened when you were
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Speaker 1: going to school. You know, you coming up to the
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Speaker 1: school in an emergency ain't going to help the emergency.
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Speaker 1: It's just going to highlight the emergency. And so for
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Speaker 1: young people and even in this room, like if you
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Speaker 1: went the last time, you've been without your phone for
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Speaker 1: eight hours probably on a plane, right exactly. And so
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Speaker 1: for young people to trust what we're doing because they
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Speaker 1: want to be educated and they want to have their
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Speaker 1: goals come true, it really means a lot, especially in
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Speaker 1: the city like Detroit. And so that plays out in
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Speaker 1: real life at the Jayla Rol's Leadership Academy because we're
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Speaker 1: sixteen years in, but it also plays out in Southwest
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Speaker 1: high because I get a chance to tell a version
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Speaker 1: of those stories. I feel like you've been producing too.
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Speaker 3: I know you got the same page entertainment when I
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Speaker 3: think about Jailing and Jacob, Like, you were one of
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Speaker 3: the first former NBA players to have a podcast, and
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Speaker 3: now it is a whole NBA podcast culture.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? I was the first
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Speaker 1: and it started at the same time at Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 1: Did you start? Twenty ten? Is when I started Jalen
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Speaker 1: and Jacoba. And the unique thing is you see about
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Speaker 1: the podcast landscape that it's changed, like people are doing
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Speaker 1: one or two podcasts a week, Like I was doing
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Speaker 1: five podcasts a week for fifteen years, yoh daily, so
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Speaker 1: and it became a podcast, a radio show, then a
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Speaker 1: television show. And so being in that space taught me
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Speaker 1: a lot about multimedia. Executive producing a FAB five documentary.
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Speaker 1: I had a play called The Love Story Ever Told.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of in a Tyler Perry Chiplin circuit mode,
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Speaker 1: and we did multiple cities and then we lost John Avery,
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Speaker 1: who was the father of the Fresh Prince, So that
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Speaker 1: kind of ended that project. The eighty one Olives with
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant executive producing that so I've been in this
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Speaker 1: space for a very long time and it's just a
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Speaker 1: graduation of that mission. Should the active players have podcast
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Speaker 1: I would say yes. But the difference in being an
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Speaker 1: active player and having a podcast because I was the
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Speaker 1: first former player that worked in the media while playing
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Speaker 1: in the league. But to be real with you, I
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Speaker 1: did it when I was on a team that was irrelevant.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, ok, okay.
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Speaker 1: So when I was playing for the Pacers and we
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Speaker 1: was making it to the finals, I wasn't doing a
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Speaker 1: podcast because I wasn't going to talk about while Larry
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Speaker 1: Bird took me out of the game against the Bulls
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight and we lost that series, right,
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Speaker 1: But when I got traded to Chicago and they had
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Speaker 1: the worst team in the league, and then I was
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Speaker 1: playing in Toronto, I was like, you know what, we
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Speaker 1: making the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: start my second career. It's it's very tough for a
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Speaker 1: current athlete to be honest and have a podcast while
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Speaker 1: they're performing because you can't talk about your team, your coach,
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Speaker 1: your your teammates, but you can't talk about your opponents
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Speaker 1: and be like legitimately saying what you feel. So it's
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Speaker 1: not it's not real the locker room, right, It definitely
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Speaker 1: disrupts the locker room. Because I remember Mike D'Antoni when
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Speaker 1: I was playing for the Suns and I was doing
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Speaker 1: it and he didn't want me to do it. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I ain't playing, you know what I'm saying. It was
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Speaker 1: the year when Robert rihit Steve Nash into the scorers table,
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Speaker 1: and I'll never forget because I was like one of
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Speaker 1: the guys. I was like the ninth man and I
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm about to get some minutes. I
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Speaker 1: went back to Phoenix and John McCain was staying in
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Speaker 1: my hotel, I mean another our apartment. That's another story
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Speaker 1: for another day, the late Great Yes, and so I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I get back. We flew back. I was in the
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Speaker 1: weight room. I was on the trid like I'm gonna play.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play. I will play. He's like, no, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You're gonna talk about it on
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Speaker 1: your show, so we ain't gonna snow. Yeah, that really happened.
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Speaker 1: And the John McCain thing, and as I bring it up,
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Speaker 1: because it just sparked the thought that was one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons why I started my school, actually, because I
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Speaker 1: remember him saying when and again, I'm paying respect to
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Speaker 1: the dead. I ain't got no shots or shade at him,
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Speaker 1: but this is a real time thing. He was like
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Speaker 1: stomping to run for president, and they were like, why
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Speaker 1: don't you feel like you need to go stump in Detroit.
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Speaker 1: He was like, well, when the world gets sick, Detroit
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Speaker 1: gets the flu. He said a version of that, and
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Speaker 1: that always stuck with me, and so to me, I
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna try to do something to change
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Speaker 1: the dynamics of how people see d trait and that
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Speaker 1: kind of spark what led to me now starting to
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Speaker 1: jail the Jayla world leadership. We ain't have a relationship, No,
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Speaker 1: I was just rich and he was rich, and we
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Speaker 1: stay in the suburbs. That was just that. I just
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Speaker 1: literally just saw him at Valet one time. I'm like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: I got one more question about podcast. Have a podcast
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Speaker 1: for him right now? No, And that's my guy, And
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Speaker 1: I know he gonna text me right after this because
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Speaker 1: everything he says is going to be attributed to something
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Speaker 1: that people think. He talked about with Lebron and Lebron
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Speaker 1: is still a current player. He still represents so many
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Speaker 1: players and elite players in the game. So when he's
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Speaker 1: talking about making, it's like you talking about black effect, right,
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Speaker 1: It's like you you can't separate the two. And for him,
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Speaker 1: he's put in a tough position to talk about the
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Speaker 1: moves that are making in the league being made in
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Speaker 1: the league when he's one of the biggest movers in Shakers,
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Speaker 1: and it's going to interrupt a lot of things. So
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Speaker 1: when you see Anthony Davis get moved and then he's
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Speaker 1: talking about it like that's your client, and so that
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Speaker 1: makes it personal in particular. And you all know this,
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Speaker 1: especially when we making millions, Like it's so much money involved,
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Speaker 1: so you you're like giving away some of the trade
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Speaker 1: secrets and you're like diminishing a little bit of the
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Speaker 1: respect sometimes that you may get for the people in
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Speaker 1: power when you're making moves, when you're speaking about them publicly.
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Speaker 1: Most of the moves that are highlighted are made in silence.
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Speaker 3: Would you want to sign to a agent as a player,
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Speaker 3: if you were a player, would you sign to an
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Speaker 3: agent who had a podcast?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean if he was I mean, I mean
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Speaker 1: they can blank checks. Naw charloah. I mean like Shay
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Speaker 1: Gilders Alexander getting seventy million a year. You know, they
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Speaker 1: getting blank check money. So if you get me that
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Speaker 1: kind of bread, you can say what you want to say.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody else can be mad
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Speaker 1: at you. You know what I'm saying. But like.
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Speaker 5: You think, that's why he still pushes through and he
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Speaker 5: even addresses of last off stuff because he knows his position.
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Speaker 1: He knows his position, and he understands that as long
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Speaker 1: as I'm still serving my clients, they're going to be happy.
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Speaker 1: I can deal with the backlash that I might get
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Speaker 1: from the multimedia. That's how he's approaching.
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Speaker 3: People still need agents, And what I mean by that
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Speaker 3: is like you see these brothers in the NFL, like
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Speaker 3: they're learning their own contracts and they're kind of cutting
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Speaker 3: out the middle man. You need that as a playoff.
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Speaker 1: I feel like what I learned a talent is and
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Speaker 1: this is scary actually not to think about it. Some
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Speaker 1: of the most important conversations about our careers happened and
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Speaker 1: we're not on the phone, so we don't know what
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Speaker 1: they're saying, what they're bothering what you know, they can
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Speaker 1: be like, you know, we know he ain't really worth this,
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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm a rob Peter to pay Paul
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Speaker 1: type of thing. I feel like, if you're transitioning, you
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Speaker 1: need an agent because the agent now puts you in
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Speaker 1: position to like be a bridge to your next opportunity.
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Speaker 1: But if you're re signing with your situation and you've
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Speaker 1: already been successful there, then you can be in position
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Speaker 1: to like navigate your own deal.
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Speaker 2: I do have a question. You know, I was talking
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Speaker 2: to me me Brown, who standing behind you. That's front
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Speaker 2: page news for us, and we were talking about nil deals.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was talking about taking nil.
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Speaker 1: Deals off the table.
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Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 3: Jaylor was like with the first person for college players, correct,
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Speaker 3: thank you.
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Speaker 1: I've I've been talking about this for thirty years, and
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Speaker 1: that's foolish because what that says is I can't I
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Speaker 1: can't get paid off of my name, my image, and
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Speaker 1: my likeness. Like that is crazy, Like what you know,
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Speaker 1: profession does that exist in And a couple of things
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Speaker 1: that I learned, just as I like matriculated in sports.
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Speaker 1: The only sports that really have restrictions and salary caps, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: are the ones that are black lid. That's basketball and football.
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Speaker 1: You don't see that in other sports. You don't see
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Speaker 1: it the golf, you don't see it in tennis, you
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Speaker 1: don't see the NASCAR, you don't see it in anything,
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Speaker 1: because that's a residue of Slavery's we're gonna make as
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Speaker 1: much money off of you for as long as possible
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Speaker 1: without you getting paid. That's what the NCAA became. And
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Speaker 1: so now that players are able to profit off of
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Speaker 1: their name, image and likeness, I feel like it's really
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Speaker 1: good for the game. And somebody that's working for TNT
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Speaker 1: that's covering it, that's why the game is as good
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Speaker 1: as it's been. You see so many freshmen performing well.
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Speaker 1: You see the enthusiasm back in the game because players
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Speaker 1: don't have to rush from their senior year in high
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Speaker 1: school to their freshman year in college. They don't have
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Speaker 1: to rush from their sophomore year in college to the
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Speaker 1: league because they get millions in college. And the most
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Speaker 1: frustrating thing about my Fab five experience at Michigan is
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Speaker 1: that the world it feels like I got paid, and
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Speaker 1: they ain't pay me nothing. They ain't give me nothing.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could say it in Spanish. I wish
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Speaker 1: I could say it in Chinese. They ain't give me anything.
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Speaker 1: And so the fact that they're now able to profit
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Speaker 1: and you know, still perform, I think it's just like
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Speaker 1: any other profession you get paid for playing.
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Speaker 2: Now has gambling hurt both college and NBA because it's
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Speaker 2: almost like, how do you tell a college kid, right,
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Speaker 2: that's that if he scores ten points, he can hit
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Speaker 2: a five hundred thousand dollars right?
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Speaker 1: You see NBA people doing it.
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Speaker 2: How do you feel like that that gambling has affected
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Speaker 2: the NBA in college?
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Speaker 1: So like it's almost gambling to me, or like strip clubs,
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Speaker 1: Like whatever city you were in, it's probably more strip
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Speaker 1: clubs than colleges. People been gambling since the beginning the time.
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Speaker 1: Every sporting event has always had an underdog and a favorite.
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Speaker 1: That means someone's betting. That's always happened during the NCAA tournament,
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Speaker 1: everybody in here is going to fill out a bracket.
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Speaker 1: You're betting, And so now that it's out on the table,
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Speaker 1: you open up Pandora's box for people to feel like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, envy's my guy? I know I'm getting
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Speaker 1: fifteen to night dog. I know I could make two threes, Like,
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Speaker 1: if you're my cousin, you could bet that my whole career.
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Speaker 1: That's literally what I would say, And so that kind
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Speaker 1: of changes the dynamic of performing. But usually a player
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Speaker 1: is gonna kind of like do what they do anyway.
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Speaker 1: And You've seen a lot of people get caught up
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Speaker 1: in the betting and gaming and gambling of the sport.
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Speaker 1: But for the most part, I feel like it's always existed,
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Speaker 1: so it's not going to interrupt the game, but it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a disturbance to a lot of players.
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Speaker 2: When I hear fans yelling three, yeah, it's gotta best.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I'm sitting in the front road with
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Speaker 1: one of them, like the Pistons owner who's my partner
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Speaker 1: with Saint Page Entertainment, Tom Gores, is my good friend.
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Speaker 1: So I don't bet on the NBA because I can't
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Speaker 1: be like, okay, I need another three more three, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I feel dirty, But I do
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Speaker 1: bet on the Lions. I'm like, yo, I need fifty yards,
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Speaker 1: I need a touchdown or whatever. But yeah, it does
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Speaker 1: have a huge influence, but it's always existed. It's just
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Speaker 1: legal now, So.
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Speaker 5: What's going to come out of like all of the
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Speaker 5: like the investigations stuff that are happening right now, Like
19:41
Speaker 5: how will it change? Because how do you regulate something
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Speaker 5: as big as sports betting? Like it's all over placed.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the people that you seeing get in
19:47
Speaker 1: trouble about betting and gaming, it's not gonna become them
19:54
Speaker 1: having to sit down like we see what r Kelly
19:57
Speaker 1: or puff to they try to figure it out. It's
19:59
Speaker 1: just more like you just stand on the sideline for
20:02
Speaker 1: a minute, Chauncey. You just stand on the sideline for
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Speaker 1: a minute, a couple of other people until we try
20:09
Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what happened. Like Malik Beasley played
20:14
Speaker 1: for the Pistons last year. He was second in the
20:16
Speaker 1: league and three point is made. He's not playing right now.
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Speaker 1: He's to be playing again soon. But it's not like
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Speaker 1: he's locked up. It's not like he had to pay
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Speaker 1: a huge fine. It's just like, yeah, you was, you know,
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Speaker 1: on the wrong text, you was on the wrong emails.
20:31
Speaker 1: It's kind of legal, it's kind of illegal, but you
20:35
Speaker 1: know that's kind of how the discipline seems to be,
20:38
Speaker 1: you know, dished out recently. I want to go back
20:40
Speaker 1: to the NIL thing.
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Speaker 3: What do you say to people who feel like the
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Speaker 3: NIL has been hurting college sports?
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Speaker 1: Those are people that have had jealousy towards athletes for
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Speaker 1: a very long time. Those are the same people when
20:53
Speaker 1: I was talking about this twenty years ago. They were like,
20:56
Speaker 1: you should just be happy you got a scholarship. I
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Speaker 1: would be happy if I got a chance to go
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Speaker 1: to college and somebody was paying for it. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: ain't nobody paying for you to play? And ain't nobody
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Speaker 1: paying to watch you play?
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Speaker 5: Really?
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Ain't nobody buying your jersey?
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Speaker 1: And so that was always a jealousy that certain members
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Speaker 1: of the public and or the media had toward athletes.
21:19
Speaker 1: That was just unfair. Like if you're able, and the
21:25
Speaker 1: thing about being a member of the Fab five is
21:27
Speaker 1: shout out Chris Juwan Christ just had a birthday yesterday,
21:30
Speaker 1: shout my brother Chris Juwan, ran Jimmy. Now athletes are
21:34
Speaker 1: doing what they call pay for play, Mitch means I'm
21:37
Speaker 1: going to go to said school because they're paying me
21:40
Speaker 1: x We were actually selling goods in products, So we
21:45
Speaker 1: were selling shorts, we were selling socks, we were selling shoes.
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Speaker 1: So that would have been a different burn for us
21:52
Speaker 1: because we would not only have gotten paid to play,
21:55
Speaker 1: but we were actually selling products, which the John Doe
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Speaker 1: player that plays for Saint John's the second best player,
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Speaker 1: y'all don't know who he is edging for is the
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Speaker 1: best player is probably getting one, two, three million dollars
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Speaker 1: a year just to play for the team. Can't y'all
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Speaker 1: get retro?
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Speaker 3: If they put all the retro jerseys on sale, I
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Speaker 3: would buy a jailing Rose Chris Webber.
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Speaker 1: Joss Absolutely, Well, there's a word that you appreciate instead
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Speaker 1: of retro that I've been using. Reparations. We need reparations, shla,
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Speaker 1: that's what we need, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: any attorneys that's out here listening right now they want
22:31
Speaker 1: to take on the case, it's like, don't get paid
22:34
Speaker 1: until we get paid. Hit me up.
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Speaker 3: Hold on.
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Speaker 1: So you would do that, y'all You think you think
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Speaker 1: there's a case, then I do think there's a case
22:40
Speaker 1: there because I've seen a couple of people. I've seen
22:42
Speaker 1: the Edo Bannon case. I've seen a couple of cases
22:44
Speaker 1: of people that were I remember watching like video games
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Speaker 1: that had me on there and I was playing, and
22:52
Speaker 1: then we thought that was cool. When I'm like, you know, so, yes,
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Speaker 1: there is a case there.
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Speaker 3: How do you motivate a kid who's making millions in college?
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Speaker 3: Like do you how do you motivate them to let
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Speaker 3: them know it's another level. Don't get comfortable here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's that's the appetizer, that's all that's that's
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Speaker 1: the apple. That's not the main course. So in college
23:12
Speaker 1: you'll be so those that are destined to make the league.
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Speaker 1: And usually one of the barometers if you make it
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Speaker 1: to the McDonald's High School All American Game. And I'm
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Speaker 1: fortunate enough right now shot the Rock Nation and Same
23:26
Speaker 1: Page Entertainment we're producing a documentary called Meal Ticket. And
23:31
Speaker 1: when you make the McDonald's High School All American Game,
23:34
Speaker 1: and this is crazy, eighty percent of those players make
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Speaker 1: it to the league. So when you're in high school,
23:42
Speaker 1: it's like I got to make the McDonald's game. I
23:44
Speaker 1: got to make the McDonald's game. And so now that
23:47
Speaker 1: you get to college and you're able to get paid
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Speaker 1: to play, and then you look at what the NBA
23:54
Speaker 1: players get paid, it's like unique because you're on campus,
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Speaker 1: you can pay for a mansion and you can have
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Speaker 1: some f you money, but at the same time it
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Speaker 1: ain't the like generational wealth money. And so that's an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to not only chase your dream by making it
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Speaker 1: to the league, but also make that kind of dollar
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Speaker 1: that changes the game forever.
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Speaker 5: I think a big part of it too is like
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Speaker 5: some people feel like because it goes from like you
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Speaker 5: could you come in and get this kid from wherever
24:24
Speaker 5: you've never seen this amount of money, and then you
24:25
Speaker 5: go crazy and in io dos go crazy. You don't
24:28
Speaker 5: know what to do with the money. Also, so it
24:30
Speaker 5: puts kids in a position where like they just doing
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Speaker 5: whatever money being blown. And that's a part of the pushback.
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Speaker 1: To correct And as much as I wanted the nil
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Speaker 1: money and we deserved it, we would have been wilding.
24:46
Speaker 1: But show out the thing that I appreciate about young
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Speaker 1: players now y'all don't see them like turning up really
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Speaker 1: with the money. If you think about it, like there's
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Speaker 1: young college players that are making millions of day on
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Speaker 1: college campuses right now. Like I would have been at
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Speaker 1: every strip club, bought every car, had every diamond. I
25:07
Speaker 1: would have been doing all of that and plan at
25:09
Speaker 1: the same time driving to Detroit in a sprinter every day,
25:14
Speaker 1: like I would have literally been living in a mansion,
25:17
Speaker 1: like I literally would have been doing that. So I
25:19
Speaker 1: applaud the young people in their discipline of how they're
25:23
Speaker 1: handling it. But yeah, it does affect the game in
25:27
Speaker 1: a unique way because it's like a one year contract
25:31
Speaker 1: each season. So if you're unhappy with your minutes or
25:36
Speaker 1: you do really well on a bad team. So I
25:39
Speaker 1: was watching a couple of teams later in the year,
25:42
Speaker 1: and I was like, they're not just playing for what's
25:45
Speaker 1: going to happen with this team next year. They're playing
25:48
Speaker 1: for the NDL deal for another team that's going to
25:51
Speaker 1: come and take them from that team. So when you're
25:54
Speaker 1: watching teams shake hands at the end of games and
25:57
Speaker 1: you see a coach go up to a player like, hey,
25:59
Speaker 1: I like you, like you did your thing, a lot
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Speaker 1: of those teams end up with that player on their squad.
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Speaker 1: That literally happens based on the NIL movement.
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Speaker 4: Now, going back to the film real quick, I know
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Speaker 4: you gotta go going back to the film self, what
26:14
Speaker 4: you know, your serious self, what's high? Because you are
26:17
Speaker 4: so new in acting. What was one of the most
26:20
Speaker 4: challenging things about filming because your lead actor, like, I
26:22
Speaker 4: don't think a lot of.
26:23
Speaker 1: People really know what that will.
26:25
Speaker 4: All that entails as memorizing scripts and like you said,
26:29
Speaker 4: working with acting coaches and things like that, where were
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Speaker 4: the biggest challenges you think?
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Speaker 1: The number one thing I told them And as you know,
26:38
Speaker 1: we were casting everyone, I was like, I need to
26:41
Speaker 1: be the least experienced person on here. I'm smart enough
26:45
Speaker 1: to know that I want everybody else to be experienced
26:48
Speaker 1: in their own right so that they can uplift me
26:53
Speaker 1: and I can learn from them, and also it can
26:56
Speaker 1: still be really good. The number one challenge, and you
27:01
Speaker 1: guys know is memorizing your lines and also being able
27:07
Speaker 1: to deliver them with the inflections that they deserve at
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Speaker 1: that time. So something you might say at the beginning
27:15
Speaker 1: maybe something different than you might say in the middle,
27:18
Speaker 1: there's something that you say at the end. And so
27:20
Speaker 1: like there's a level of professionalism to come with that.
27:24
Speaker 1: And there's a room full of people and you can't
27:27
Speaker 1: keep messing up, you know, So if you show up
27:31
Speaker 1: and you don't know your lines, it's like you disrespecting everybody.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because now that's time. We allow a certain amount
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Speaker 4: of time and then that's more money.
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Speaker 1: Too, Yes, and then you feel foolish when you're the
27:40
Speaker 1: person with five people go and say their lines, and
27:43
Speaker 1: then you're the person that don't know it. And so that,
27:46
Speaker 1: I feel like is the toughest thing. And the other
27:50
Speaker 1: and the other thing is to like get in the character.
27:55
Speaker 1: Like Denzel Washington is like an uncle to me, godfather
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Speaker 1: to me. He John McClain and Norm Nixon for thirty
28:04
Speaker 1: years because he was enormous my first agent. And just
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Speaker 1: watching him get in the character is a real thing,
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Speaker 1: whether it's putting on weight, whether you're calling him his character,
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Speaker 1: like when he's doing a movie, you have to call
28:19
Speaker 1: him that character, you know, like he gets really into it.
28:24
Speaker 1: The method, yes, and so I think those are the
28:26
Speaker 1: toughest things. But I learned a lot from the people
28:29
Speaker 1: on set in Southwest High as a hit. So make
28:32
Speaker 1: sure y'all run it up on TV right now.
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Speaker 3: Did you do anything to be method, like not get
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Speaker 3: a shape up? Or you gotta have had to have
28:37
Speaker 3: the sharp.
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Speaker 1: Hair, gotta have, gotta have, a gotta have that's undefeated,
28:41
Speaker 1: gotta have. And the craziest thing, Charlotte is still people
28:45
Speaker 1: to feel like man he with the Portugal to get
28:47
Speaker 1: a hair plugged. I'm like, I mean fresh fresh. I'm
28:53
Speaker 1: from Detroit. I ain't doing all of that. If i
28:56
Speaker 1: even think my hair is going bald, I'm cutting it
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Speaker 1: off right. If I done before, I've done the party before. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you wasn't ready to go ball.
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Speaker 3: You just did it because you wanted to.
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Speaker 1: I just did it because I wanted It was just
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Speaker 1: a thing. That's a camaraderie thing that we all did.
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Speaker 1: Is the Fab five, which is were his ball. Some
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Speaker 1: people just that I were a ball when I didn't
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Speaker 1: need to.
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Speaker 2: Well, Southwest High you can check it on too, bet
29:22
Speaker 2: now make sure you check it out.
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Speaker 1: And we appreciate you for joining us. I appreciate the
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