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Adrianne Curry Interview and Oscar’s Hits and Misses · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Before we get to our fabulous guest, which I'm so
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  Speaker 3: excited for you guys to hear, I had to cover
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  Speaker 3: the Oscars. I really didn't because no one really was
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  Speaker 3: talking much about it. I have to admit, I have
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  Speaker 3: not seen these movies, not because I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't know any of them and I will
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  Speaker 3: watch them now. But I need to cover what's going
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  Speaker 3: on so you'd be aware of it. So Conan O'Brien
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  Speaker 3: was the host. And I watched the monologue and they
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  Speaker 3: were like, there were funny bits and stuff that were
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  Speaker 3: in it, but they were all about the movies, which
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen. So I watched the monologue. And I
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  Speaker 3: think there was one really kind of weird joke in there.
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  Speaker 3: And as a joke writer and as someone that's worked
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  Speaker 3: on these type of shows, I just thought it was strange.
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  Speaker 3: So in a nutshell, the joke was, he comes out,
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  Speaker 3: he's like, and... This is the first time since 2012
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  Speaker 3: that we haven't had any English, meaning like from England,
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  Speaker 3: in the Oscar nominees.
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  Speaker 2: But that's because, wait, hold on. You know what? Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: I keep that in. It was so weird.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, he said, and then someone else responded. The reason
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  Speaker 3: I can't say it right, because it was clunky to
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  Speaker 3: begin with. Well, at least we do arrest our pedophiles.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like, whoa, like, and I was just
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, so then in my weird brain, I think,
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  Speaker 3: why was this chosen?
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  Speaker 2: And how did it come about?
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  Speaker 3: And I think whenever I think of the greatest Oscar winner,
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  Speaker 3: Host and monologue. I think of when Ricky Gervais did it,
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  Speaker 3: and it was shortly after the Harvey Weinstein scandal. And
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  Speaker 3: with his English accent, he's like, you're all pedophiles, the
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  Speaker 3: way the English people say. That's just you. You're all
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  Speaker 3: pedophiles anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: I'm never going to be doing this again.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: He's your friend, not mine. And really calling out to
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  Speaker 3: the Hollywood audience that, They're hypocrites and pedophiles are among them.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. It was brilliant, juicy.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like in trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: jokes to say, it was like, I want to make
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  Speaker 3: some mention of pedophiles and Epstein files and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: So how could we do it?
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  Speaker 3: And then someone had to like go do the weird
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  Speaker 3: joke math and figure that, oh, guess what?
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  Speaker 2: There's no.
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  Speaker 3: um, English actors that are nominated this year and they've
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  Speaker 3: been nominated every year since 2012.
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  Speaker 2: All right. That's not even that long ago. And will they, at.
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  Speaker 3: Least they arrested Prince, um, Andrew? Well, they didn't arrest
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  Speaker 3: Prince Andrew for pedophilia.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: They did not arrest him for that. They arrested him
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  Speaker 3: for like a financial thing and he's out. He's not
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  Speaker 3: even hanging out in prison. So it's like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was weird. I thought it was clunky
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  Speaker 3: and weird. Um, there was some other cute jokes that
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  Speaker 3: were in there that I was like, Oh, okay. Not,
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  Speaker 3: it's such a hard job. So I'm not like criticizing.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought I would have just left it like
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  Speaker 3: either go hard and really go with it or just
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  Speaker 3: keep it light and cute. I just don't think you
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  Speaker 3: should do a, a this or that. And then have it.
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  Speaker 3: And then have you remember that weird clunky joke? Um,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, a lot of the bits would have to,
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  Speaker 3: you would have to get them if you watch the movie.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't. So you're like, Heather, why even covering it?
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  Speaker 3: Because I thought you'd be mad if I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Um, Sean Penn won for one battle after another. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and he was not there. And it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: like the guy presenting it. That's like, I'll accept it
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  Speaker 3: for him. I don't know why he's not here. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: he just didn't want to come. Well, he was actually
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  Speaker 3: in the Ukraine, um, you know, doing what he feels
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  Speaker 3: is necessary to be helping the people there.
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  Speaker 2: So that was very noble.
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  Speaker 3: Timothee Chalamet did not win Michael B.
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  Speaker 2: Jordan. However, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, that whole controversy of where he said about, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want us to turn into like ballet or
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  Speaker 3: opera where nobody is interested in those anymore. So then
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  Speaker 3: the beautiful ballerina, Missy Copeland, while they were performing a
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  Speaker 3: song from The Sinners, which is the movie that Michael B.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan won for, she came out twirling on her toes,
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  Speaker 3: which was like a fun thing. But I mean, some
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  Speaker 3: people are like, oh, this is like an F you
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  Speaker 3: to Timothy. I think at this point... It's all good.
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  Speaker 3: Like people aren't, who cares, right? But I thought, why
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  Speaker 3: not have her in it? Why not remind people of
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  Speaker 3: how beautiful ballet is? And I think it's probably done,
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  Speaker 3: this whole little story probably gave a little burst into
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  Speaker 3: people being interested and wanting to go to ballets and operas.
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  Speaker 3: But for me, I prefer ballet to opera, unless it's
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  Speaker 3: Julia from Real Housewives of Miami singing it to her wife.
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  Speaker 2: Michael B.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan, who is just a gorgeous delight with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of talent and seems to be just, everyone likes him.
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  Speaker 3: And his speech was wonderful and grateful and humble and
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  Speaker 3: about acting and saying like, thank you for the incredible support.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like really excited to continue to do so well.
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  Speaker 3: The movie was Sinners. And then he went to In-N-Out.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, what a great thing to do after obviously,
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  Speaker 3: And you're starving. So a lot of people caught the video.
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  Speaker 3: He brought the Oscar in. He ate the food. And
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  Speaker 3: I saw it this morning and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: how cute.
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  Speaker 2: That's so sweet.
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  Speaker 3: So then I just wrote in the comments, what people
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  Speaker 3: didn't know is that he was just there to hear
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  Speaker 3: them call out six, seven as an order and film it.
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  Speaker 3: My joke, that is fucking dumb, Heather. That's like corny.
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  Speaker 3: The six, seven joke is over six, seven. But all
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  Speaker 3: I remember is the last time I saw a lot
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  Speaker 3: of interior video of the actual people inside in and
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  Speaker 3: out was when people were filming that. And then they
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  Speaker 3: took the six, seven off the, um, they, they, nobody
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  Speaker 3: can order that anymore, even though the joke is completely
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  Speaker 3: over with. And we left it behind two months ago.
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  Speaker 3: What was interesting is that I, it popped up right
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  Speaker 3: before I recorded. Oh, a hundred people liked your comment.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
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  Speaker 3: A hundred people didn't think it was a super corny joke.
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  Speaker 3: So then I looked at it. There's nine comments of
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  Speaker 3: people that were like, that's a lie. Why are you
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  Speaker 3: saying that? What are you talking about? Why don't you
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  Speaker 3: just let the guy be happy? I'm like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Very cute. And how exciting if you were there and
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  Speaker 3: he brought the Oscar, put the Oscar on the table,
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  Speaker 3: actually ate it, ate the food, not the Oscar.
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  Speaker 2: Adorbs. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Teyana Taylor is gorgeous and funny and looks stunning. And
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  Speaker 3: she was part of one battle after another. She was
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  Speaker 3: in that movie and they won for best picture.
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  Speaker 2: And it was really great.
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  Speaker 3: And she was, a lot of people caught that she would,
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  Speaker 3: she was so excited to jump up with the producers
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  Speaker 3: and the directors for that win and That she put
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  Speaker 3: the director in a headlock as they walked up to
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  Speaker 3: the to the state. So very funny, very cute, very
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  Speaker 3: in the moment. But then, of course, there was some
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  Speaker 3: articles written after that was like or some opinions.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they weren't full articles that.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting that she, you know, jumped on him when
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  Speaker 3: right before she was saying that some security was touching
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  Speaker 3: her and she was getting very upset. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: this guy was her director.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: They're really good friends. And I followed up on this,
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  Speaker 3: like being touched. And she said, Someone asked about it
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  Speaker 3: as she was leaving another party. She's like, it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Everything's fine. They were just doing a little much. I
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  Speaker 3: was using shoved or something. There was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people around. She's not pressing charges. She's not accusing anybody
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  Speaker 3: of anything. My point is there's no, there were no
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  Speaker 3: juicy stories to come out of the Oscars. Oh, people
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  Speaker 3: were very, very few political statements, which was nice, but also, um,
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  Speaker 3: we were not talking about that either. And I just
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  Speaker 3: remember when Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and I had,
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  Speaker 3: we had stuff to talk about for so many weeks
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  Speaker 3: after that Oscar, like their relationship, who's the narcissist, what
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  Speaker 3: does this mean for the Oscars?
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  Speaker 2: What does this mean for his career?
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  Speaker 3: And whatever, that was four or five years ago now.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was like the last juicy Oscars we had.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone looked pretty beautiful. Nobody wore a weird thing. I
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  Speaker 3: do think Heidi Klum is probably the worst dressed and
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  Speaker 3: she's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: The body's banging.
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  Speaker 3: I just think this dress looks cheesy and I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it laid right on her body. I don't, I
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  Speaker 3: think she needed it like re-tailored. It just was a
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  Speaker 3: bad choice. But I do think Nicole Kidman looked stunning.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I love that this is gold dress.
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  Speaker 2: I liked the hair, a lot of fluffy hair in
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  Speaker 2: front of her face kind of.
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  Speaker 3: And completely covered, like she's got a great silhouette. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, long sleeves up to the neck, this gold dress.
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  Speaker 3: But it just looks great. Like I just thought that
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  Speaker 3: is a perfect dress to wear. So those are my
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  Speaker 3: two dress, my favorites. So that was the Oscars, you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am so excited
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  Speaker 3: would lose your mind. I have the one, the only
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  Speaker 3: Adrienne Curry that has blessed us with her Funniness. I
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  Speaker 3: loved you on all the reality shows that you did.
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  Speaker 3: You're such a personality. We know you as the first
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  Speaker 3: winner of America's Next Top Model. And you have a
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  Speaker 3: great social media presence. And I'm so excited that you
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  Speaker 3: decided to do the show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm a professional idiot, and it's been documented
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  Speaker 2: for a really long time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was just like reminding myself, just looking at all
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  Speaker 3: your credits of really your career. So let's just start
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  Speaker 3: from when you were introduced to us. How did you
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  Speaker 3: decide to go out for America's Next Top Model?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. I was working at Hooters and some
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  Speaker 2: guy came up to me talking about like a show
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  Speaker 2: and gave me a card. And I'm like, yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: And I just threw it in the garbage like, nice try, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: And then my mom was like, you know, I just
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  Speaker 2: saw a commercial for a supermodel show with Tyra Banks.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, no, he wasn't lying. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I made a VHS tape of my parents fighting
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  Speaker 2: because they were getting a divorce and And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: get me out of this town. Get me away from
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  Speaker 2: these people. I'll do anything. And they, like, chose it.
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  Speaker 2: And the tape, like, on the videotape, which most kids
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  Speaker 2: don't even know what that is, the VHS, I, like...
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  Speaker 2: scribbled tool, nine inch nails, Pink Floyd, like all this
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  Speaker 2: stupid stuff. Like on a piece of like sticky. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: on the sticky, on the VHS. And they said they
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  Speaker 2: got it last minute and they were like, what the
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  Speaker 2: hell is this? And popped it in and it was me.
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  Speaker 3: So what city were you living in?
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  Speaker 2: Joliet, Illinois, which is affectionately known as prison town from
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  Speaker 2: the Blues Brothers, Joliet, Jake, Elwood Blues. Yeah, we have
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  Speaker 2: a prison.
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  Speaker 3: That's the main part of the town is the prison.
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  Speaker 2: It's rough. Like anyone from Chi-Town, they'll tell you to
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  Speaker 2: avoid Joliet, specifically the bars. We have a reputation.
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  Speaker 3: Being that you were Hooters' waitress, would that be like
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  Speaker 3: a first stop for when someone picked up their prisoner
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  Speaker 3: when they got released? I would think that would be
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  Speaker 3: a real treat.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I always laugh because right next to us
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  Speaker 2: is Crest Hill that had a maximum security prison that
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  Speaker 2: actually they're the ones that put down John Wayne Gacy.
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  Speaker 2: My God.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's what we do, where I'm from. So
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  Speaker 3: when this opportunity came and you did the tape.
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  Speaker 2: You were working at Hooters. How old were you? I
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  Speaker 2: was 20. So I worked at Hooters and a steakhouse.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. A steakhouse that is now defunct. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like double shifting. open the clothes, waiting tables. Like
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  Speaker 2: I still have spider veins on my legs from how
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  Speaker 2: much I was on my feet. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So when you just growing up in this town and
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  Speaker 3: you were and your parents, I guess, were, you know, fighting,
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  Speaker 3: but you lived in the house with them. Like what
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  Speaker 3: what what were your goals? Were you always told that
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  Speaker 3: you could be a model or that you were pretty
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  Speaker 3: or like when did you realize that you were an
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  Speaker 3: exceptionally good looking person?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, here's what's funny. All my guy friends growing up
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  Speaker 2: all said the same thing after I went on Top Model.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, Curry, we had no idea you were
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  Speaker 2: hot under there because I always wore baggy Nine Inch
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  Speaker 2: Nails t-shirts. And like I was with the same guy
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  Speaker 2: for like four years. So it wasn't like I was
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  Speaker 2: marketing around. But I mean, people would say you're really tall,
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  Speaker 2: but you're still kind of gangly. But my teens were rough.
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  Speaker 2: I used a lot of drugs very young, way younger
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  Speaker 2: than anyone should. So it was funny. What kind? What
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: kind of drugs? I used to snort heroin so people
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't see the tracks on my arms and cocaine. And
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I did liquid G. I did more LSD than I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: care to admit. Mushrooms. Yeah, like I was a mess.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Where did you even get introduced to a crowd that
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: could provide such hardcore drugs?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Drugs for you as a teenager. I always, I guess
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: people thought I was more mature than my years. So
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I was hung out with older kids and that's where
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it all was. And my town where I'm from is
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: well known. to be rough. So I also got into
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: some wheeling and dealing, but nothing too terrible, just weed
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: back then. But then I was popular with everyone. But
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: by the time I went on Top Model, the only
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: thing I was was a stoner. Like I got myself
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: off all of this shit because I had to work
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a full time job all day, all night. Like you
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: can't sit there. And it wasn't easy. I'll say that
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: maybe for like two, three years, I'd be like, oops, oops, oops.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: But stuff like LSD and stuff, it's not addictive. You
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: just stop doing it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Well, the heroin would be though, right?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: That was the dangerous one. That was the one that
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you felt like shit if you didn't do it. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: lucky for me, because it was hard to come up
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with money and it was hard to get it, I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: would always Jones and get off that like, oh, I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: need it before I could ever get it again. So
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it was like rinse and repeat, use, and it's like euphoria.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And then you feel like shit for a few weeks,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and then all over again. But I'm lucky
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I got it all out of the way before I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: started modeling, because then once I got in the industry,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: it was all around me and I had no interest
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: at all. Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: So when growing up in this, you You know, did
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: you have aspirations for a bigger life when you'd watch
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: TV or look at a fashion magazine or like what
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: was your aspirations as you were working those two jobs
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: before that man gave you his card about the show?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be a factory worker
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: like my parents. My dad worked at Clorox Bleach. My
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: mom worked at Kraft Nabisco making triscuits and stuff. So
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that's what I thought I was going to end up doing. Um,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: when people brought modeling up to me, sure, it sounded
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: like some like cool pipe dream, but I, I never
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: thought truly that I would be able to get there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And even when I was on the show, I was like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: there's no way they're going to let the stoner win.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: There's no way, especially back then. Like, I'm sorry, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the Jay and Silent Bob crowd like wasn't shined upon,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: you know, like I'm sitting there quoting Jay and Silent
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Bob the whole time. And then it was me and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the Christian girl as the final one. I'm like, done.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I'm out. Like I 100% thought it was hers because
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's no network, no brand. No one's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: going to want to work with me. Because Tyra told
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: me every day, you're so rough around the edges and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you're so ghetto.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get into that. So you do this very clever,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: funny tape. And we know now, especially from the doc
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that came out, that they were really looking for reality stars,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, that they could shape into a model
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and wanted these stories. I mean, there's been some really
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: funny stories. TikTok and trends that have come from watching
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the doc where people will go, I don't know if
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you've seen it, but they'll be like, this is me
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: telling America's Next Top Model that my grandmother died on
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a chicken bone. And then they're like, you know, or
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: going down, my grandmother died going down the stairs. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: now I'm doing my photo shoot, like as my head
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: falls on the stairs, because we saw that in there. So,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you know, they liked people with an interesting backstory. So
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that's so interesting that you I would think if someone
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: said to me, we're looking to find people to make
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: them a top model, you should do it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And then I had to do a tape.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I would be getting all gussied up, wearing a black
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: dress and nylons and heels and having my mom show
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: me to model. You were so smart, even if it
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't intentional, but you were like, that was so clever
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: just to show your funny, dry sense of humor.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Just myself. And what's funny is I went to the semifinals.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And my grandma and my mom took me to TJ
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Maxx and we didn't have very much money, but they
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: pulled together because they're like, you cannot wear your clothes here.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You can't do it. I was like, what? They're like,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: no nine inch nails, no Pink Floyd, no spiked collars,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: no bandanas. You cannot go. So they bought me girl
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: clothes and they were brand new tags, everything. And I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: went on the semifinals and And I think Tyra wasn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: interested in picking me. And Ken Mock sat down to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: interview me. And he told me after the show that
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Tyra was like, I don't know, like she's boring. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: he went up to her and he was like, she
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: is reality TV gold. You have to choose her. He's like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: trust me, because in the interview, he's like, are you
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: comfortable like wearing this? I'm like, no, I was like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I just put this shit on because my mom told
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: me to.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Ken was the executive producer that we see in the series.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. Behind the scenes. Yes.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: So when you get the word that you're going, how many.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Girls is it to start? I think it was 10. Originally,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: they chose eight and then they added two others in
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the house while I was there. And I just figured
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm probably going to go home for a second. Cause
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: you have to understand I roll in here and no
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: one is like me. And I felt so out of place.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Like I just did not belong there. Everyone was very feminine,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: very girly, very into fashion. I couldn't name a fashion
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: designer to save my life. Like I shopped at venture
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and TJ Maxx and like, Salvation Army growing up. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: was not buying like cool bags or any of that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: So I just felt really overwhelmed because I thought like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: what if they have challenges? Like, what's Louis Vuitton? I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: don't effing know. You know, like, I don't know what
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: any of this is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you thought they would have a fashion challenge like
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: your knowledge. That's so funny. What was your relationship with makeup?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was abysmal at it. I have never
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: looked worse in my life. than when I did my
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: own makeup on that show because I normally didn't wear makeup.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So I thought makeup was just putting like one shade
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: of eyeshadow on and maybe some mascara. I looked awful
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: until they put me in a professional makeup chair and
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: had somebody do up my face. And then I looked,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I remember the first time they did up my face,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I almost cried because I had no idea.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: That I could ever look that way. Yeah, because you
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: have such great eyes. I think it's like a make
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: our artist dream.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: To like to make them up and play with them.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And you probably just didn't see them that way. I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: didn't know what I was doing.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Like whatever I was doing was the polar opposite of
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: what you should do to look good. I was committed
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to it for a really long time. I still kind
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of am.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, how did you feel about having the
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: mic pack on and cameras around you all the time?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Did you think it was fun? Did you bond with anybody?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: How long was the whole process? I just asked you
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: three questions.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. The mic pack back then was probably the size
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of this on your back. I mean, it was bad
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and it hurt and I was bruised all the time.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It was weird because you're followed around by a crew
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: that doesn't talk to you. I immediately bonded with the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: first girl who got eliminated because she smoked cigarettes and
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I did. And I'm like, well, look at how that
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: worked out for me. I lucked out because no one
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: wanted a room with the lesbian, but it was just
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a room with two beds. And I'm like, I don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: want to sleep with the rest of these bitches. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, do you have a girlfriend? She's like, yes, honey.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, boom, I'm taking this room with only
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: one other girl. I don't want to stay with the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: rest of them. But it was really weird because you're
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: locked down for over, well, the longer you stay, over
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: two months. I had no cell phone or anything, so
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that didn't matter to me. But our phone calls had
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to be monitored, no news, no reading the newspaper, like
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you were sequestered from the entire world. And it's like
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: psychological warfare. You get so immersed in this world. It's like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how to describe it. It's almost
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like everyone's given a bump of cocaine and told at
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the end of this hallway is more. Amazing.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: So now when you start coming down to the end
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and you actually win it, what's the next thing? Like
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: how far was there between you winning it and it
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: airing and being like an instant hit?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So I won it... end of February and the world
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: didn't see me win it until sometime in July. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I couldn't tell anyone. And it's funny because I was
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: just talking to my little cousin who used to run
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: my top model fan club. He's a huge top model fan.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, gee, a gay boy who would have thought.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But I was talking to him and he was like,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: what was so weird? He's like, it was airing. You
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: came to my house during episode three and you hadn't
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: watched the show and we were going to watch it.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And he's like, you were so uncomfortable. And then you
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: were like, well, I guess I'll see what this is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And I watched like a second. I was like, OK,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I'll catch you guys later. And I left because I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: was I was scared to watch it because I hated
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the way I looked and the way I sounded. But
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: then I also was scared that people around me would like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, effing read my mind. Like, you won it,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: didn't you? So I'm like, get it away. I don't
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: want to look at it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Because they freaked you out so much, like you're going
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: to be sued for $ 25 million if you break the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: NDA or whatever.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, mom, it was the biggest secret
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I ever kept. My boyfriend of four years dumped me.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And all I wanted to say is, I just won
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the show, you son of a bitch. And I couldn't
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: do it. I had to just sit there and be like, why? Oh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: my God. Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I would have risked being sued for the $ 25 million.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: There's no way I could have held that back if
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: somebody dumped me and I was America's.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Next top model. It was hard.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: So during that time, because no one could know, you
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: weren't obviously working as a model.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So you went back to your hometown.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Did you start picking up shifts at Hooters again or
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: did you just chill out?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I was no longer at Hooters and I was just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: working at the steakhouse. At that point. And then I
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: remember the.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: People at the steakhouse like start to say, oh, my gosh,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we heard that you're going to be on this show.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to watch you, dear. So then
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it got weird because it started getting popular. So I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: quit my job and I told them it was because
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's getting too weird. Like there's kind of weird people
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: coming in here now bothering me just about the show.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make some paper. But really, I
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: was getting prepared to leave and go to New York
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and like do Regis and Kelly. That's how old this is.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: And did they pay you anything for the two months
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: that you were there?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I think we got a little per diem, but like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I spent it on food, you know, so I was hungry.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: So essentially, no, it's not like you guys each got $ 10, 000
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: or whatever. No.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: No, no. But while I was on the show, it's funny.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Most of what Tyra told me and all of us,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: we were going to win. She did voiceovers later to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: change it, which I thought was very strange. It went
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: from you're going to be a big Revlon cover girl, blah, blah, blah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to the opportunity to be one. I was like, that's
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that's weird. That's that wasn't said to us. they made
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: it seem like we were going to win the lottery,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that we would be instantly wealthy. And your girl over here,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: my mom was about to lose her house in the divorce.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: In fact, the day that I won Top Model, my
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: parents' divorce was finalized and my mom was ordered to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: sell the house and give him half, which would have
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: left my grandma and my mom without a house. So
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I thought if I could just win this thing, I
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: can save my family. And that became my obsession. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I felt like most of the girls like, I want
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a model. I really want this. And I was like,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I want the money.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Were you able to help them with that house situation?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I probably netted like gross after Uncle Sam and commissions
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: just slightly over $ 5, 000 from what I won on that show.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: What was the price? The prize was a spread in
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Marie Claire, and Beau Quillian was awesome, the editor of
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Marie Claire. He gave me a spread in Spanish Marie Claire,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: but those pay like a couple hundred bucks, right? So then...
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: The Revlon beauty contract turned out to be a job
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: where I went to Revlon and I didn't know this.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm waiting to hear all about my new contract
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and stuff. They're like, OK, come this Saturday and I'll
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: sit in a boardroom. And I had that makeup artist
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: literally be like, and this is our new color lilac
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and put it on my lips for like three executives.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And I was like, OK, this is like before the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: big campaign. No, darling. What I won was to sit
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in a back room at Revlon and have people put
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: blush on my cheeks to show big executives what the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: new colors were. And when I asked them about it,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I got so humiliated. It felt like a humiliation ritual
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: because she was like, we never planned on using any
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: winner from the show for any campaign. And I was like, what?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I cried my eyes out walking down the street. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: don't remember if it was 10 or 15 grand, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: after your agency and Uncle Sam take some and I,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you know, wasn't incorporated or anything. I'm just like a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: normal person. So like you get raked over the coals.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I had nothing left and I had moved to Manhattan.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Which is how much money. And then they're doing test shoots.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: So I was negative in the hole and I actually
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: bankrupted my mother borrowing money from her after winning the show.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It was bad. But luckily, all my uncles came together
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and helped save her house. So yeah, I was locked
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: in this contract with Wilhelmina that I was mismanaged. They
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: can pretend that I wasn't, but I know I was.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: We were mega stars in Hong Kong and they sent
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Elise there, the third runner up and not me. Yet
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: my cousin was the president of my fan club and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: all my fans were from Hong Kong. So I mean,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: major celebrities over there. So I'm like, are you going
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to send me? They're like, well, we already sent another girl.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: We're going to send you to South Africa. The show
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: had never aired there. No one cared. I was like,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: what is going on? So once I got out of
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that contract is when your girl went full scorched earth
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: with like surreal life and interviews where I was like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: F Tyra Banks. And I got blacklisted from that show
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: so hard that they showed every single winner, every cycle
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: except yours truly. Because I was mad. Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can understand. So how did it
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: come about that this real life and all that stuff came?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: So you were able to do enough between America's Got
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: America's desktop model and to get your name out there. Obviously,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: they knew you from the show and your big personality.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So did an agent then approach you like, hey, there's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: this other reality show coming or like what were the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: opportunities that did come?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So someone I knew in New York that was not
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: a jerk. had heard that there was interest in me
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: about this show for The Surreal Life. And I looked
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: into it and I was like, oh, it's like a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: bunch of people from yesteryear. Like, what do they want
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: from me? Because we filmed at the end of 2004,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: but I won Top Model July 2003. So it wasn't
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like I was that yesterday's news. Well, their idea was,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: is I would make the other cast members feel uncomfortable
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: because I was current and relevant. And I was like,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that's mean. I don't want to do that. So then
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: they tell me that Ken Mock had contacted them because
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: he didn't want me to be on the show. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I literally was like, give me the effing pen. I'm
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: signing this right now. And I just, I signed it over.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And it's because you were vocal about the experience.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And that was... They thought the Surreal Life would make
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Top Model look trashy. And that's what they told the producers.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: So my plan was, I'm going to go on the
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Surreal Life. I'm going to treat it like spring break.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hit the bar every single effing day.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Eff them. And that's what I did. I mean, I'm not...
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not proud of it. Most people's spring breaks aren't
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: on national television, but mine was.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: And how many weeks were you there in that house
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: filming the show?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Three? Three weeks, I think. And remind us.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Of your castmates. You were season three, right? Four. Four.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, four. It was Marcus Shakenberg, which I thought was funny.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Who's that?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: He's a male supermodel. If you saw him, you'd recognize
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: him from Calvin Klein and stuff. My ex-husband, Christopher Knight.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: From the Brady Brunch.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a minute. Vern Troyer. Mini-me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Who was the little person from... Austin Powers. Austin Powers, yeah. Chyna,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the wrestler. Right. Da Brat, the rapper, and Jane Whelan
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: from the Go-Go's, and yours truly. Wow. Yeah, like what?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: It was such a fun show to watch.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: You know, sadly, some of your cast members are no
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: longer with us.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That's so sad.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, a classic one was when Vern, who
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: clearly had an alcohol problem— But also, I think drinking
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: like a regular-sized person and just being smaller probably didn't
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: help the situation. But, you know, his drunken antics and
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: he rolled off the bed or you had to put him.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Back on the bed. He peed on the floor.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: He went and peed on the floor after being naked
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: on a scooter. And he was completely blacked out. He
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: had no memory of that night. So he had to wait.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: until afterwards to see that. And I feel bad for
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: him because he eventually died from drinking to death. And Chyna,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, was doing meth the whole time because
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: she did not sleep. Really? Girl, when her boyfriend came
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: there fighting with her, I had to steal her bag
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of goodies. And it had only been like, what, three
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: years since I stopped doing goodies? Because I thought she
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: was going to hurt herself. So I find her bag
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: of goodies and I'm like, Oh, like she's got lots
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of stuff in here. It was hard for me to
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: have it, but I hid it because I didn't want
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: her to, you know, go the way of the dodo. Wow.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And so that's where you met Christopher Knight, better known
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: as Peter Brady for the Brady Bunch. He was what,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: 18 years older than you at the time?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Twenty five.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: 25 years age difference. Though he was a good-looking guy,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: is a good-looking guy, he looked younger. But that also
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: was very fun for the audience to kind of watch
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: this real-life romance unfold in front of us.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: See, what's funny, what a lot of people didn't know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: is his mother was dying while we were on the show.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And he didn't let... He wasn't going to talk about
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: it on camera, but he told me. So I felt,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: you know... What do you feel when you're a woman?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Someone's ma is dying. Like I felt very like protective
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of him because I'm like, shit, he's stuck in here
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and his mom's going downhill. Like I believe she died
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: like a week or two after filming. Yeah, it was
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: really bad. So we connected because of that, which is
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: funny because everyone sees what's on camera. But the like
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: underlining thing is I was like trying to be supportive
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to him because his mom was really sick.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: And, you know, this was just a show to put these,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: you know, eccentric characters together. But they're actually you guys
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: actually like fell in love.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And but.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Just like a dating show like The Bachelor I can
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: see why it happens and Because it's a reality show
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: where you don't have your phones, you're not cooking, you're
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: not cleaning, you're not working, you're not talking to your family.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: There's nothing else to do. Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And you're just sort of in this isolated situation where
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: it's like literally.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: One of those things.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Like I, you know, maybe if you were the last
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: person on a deserted.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Island, I'd take you essentially. He's going to be Werner.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Right. And it was always so funny because everyone's like, oh,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you just liked him because you wanted to rise your star.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: And I remember he looked at me and he's like,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you I never watched the Brady Bunch. I hated it
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: growing up. It was not my show. Any reference people
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: would say to him. And I mean, with genuine like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: what does that mean? Like, I remember the first time
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: someone said pork chops and applesauce to him. And I
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: was like, what does this mean? And he... Chops and applesauce. Well,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: he loved the fact that I didn't know that. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I would... That's so funny. I would always joke. Like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I always thought I'd be with some rock and roll dude,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: not him. And, you know, we didn't work out. I
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't the first. I'm not the last. And that's okay
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: because I learned a lot of what I need in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a relationship from that one. You know, so I'm grateful.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: But then it did.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: um spark and and have these spin-offs you did so
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: many shows after that as a couple so how did
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: they approach you and say would you guys now do
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: a show just the two of you what was which
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: what was that called again uh it was my fair
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: brady and my fair brady i mean i remember i
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: watched a lot of it i thought it was very
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: entertaining i mean you guys butted heads but it was
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: really is funny to watch you know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I think after learning we were living with each other
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and that it wasn't for like a week, I think
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the producers were like, are you effing kidding me? And
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that's when they were like, Hey, what do you think
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: about this? And I mean, I was young like today,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: hell no. Would I ever agree to, I mean, I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: won't touch a reality TV show with a 10 foot pole.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I always say never say never, but I just, I'm
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: so fried out. I'm so done. Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Now, was that a profitable situation for you guys to
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: take on since it was just the two of you
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: and it was the star of your own show?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: More so for him. And I was okay with that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: because I just wanted to make him happy. But, I mean,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, people think a TV
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: show is going to make you all this money. It
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: sure does when you're the executive producer or the creator,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: but as the talent. And I was very young and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: very dumb back then. And I was just like, OK, whatever.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I want everyone to be happy. And I always put
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: myself last. But I mean, it was OK money, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: it's like low six figures. It wasn't like some it
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't like four hundred thousand dollars or anything. And where
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: were you guys living when you were filming? Was it
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: near the beach or something? First was Manhattan Beach and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: then it was Hermosa Beach.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And that must have been kind of fun.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You know what? The beach community is not my vibe, man.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I'm more of like a mountain girl. I felt like
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I walked into a Stepford Wives movie set. I did
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: not feel like I belonged at all. I just felt
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: like white trash in a sea of money. In Manhattan Beach.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting. I did not feel good there. I
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: was very self-conscious. And what was your wedding like? Um...
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: It was hot, huge. All my family was there. I'm
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: glad it happened because I have so many precious photos
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of people who are no longer with me. But I've
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: learned to not live my life regretting things because there's
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: times I've been up late at night like, oh, my God,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: my entire 20s is such a humiliation and anyone can
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: watch it over and over on like Hulu. Like, please, Lord.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: take me away from what I've done to myself. But
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, I wouldn't be where I am today
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: if I wasn't such an idiot back then. So I guess,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you know. And the wedding was filmed, right?
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And so then how many seasons did you do of
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that with him? How much time?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I think it was three. But by the third season,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I felt like they were really pushing me to have
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: a baby and I wanted to have a baby. But
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: then there was this weird thing I was feeling like,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: do I really want to have a baby where it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: on TV? And that's when we realized we clashed about
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of our beliefs. I didn't want to raise
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a kid like I didn't want an Epo baby. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: wanted a kid that knew the value of a dollar
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that worked, that doesn't get like a car when they're
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: 16 just because they turn 16. Like, you got to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: earn it. We just weren't on the same page with
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, which is really important.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: And how was he? maintaining, making money all these years
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: from being a child star?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: No effing clue. I know we worked in computers and stuff.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Like I honestly, all of our stuff was separate the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: entire time. And I never gave a shit about money.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I always tell them I'm the world's
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: cheapest wife. The wedding ring was free. The engagement ring
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: was free through a diamond company I used to model for.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And then when we divorced, I didn't even hire a lawyer.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, take anything you want. I'm just taking my clothes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Just be gone. That's it. Like, I don't care. So
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: how long were you married total? Well, we were together
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for seven years and married for five, which I think
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood's like 9000 years. Yeah, that is significant.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And during that time, I saw that, you know, you
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: You know, we're doing a lot of modeling and you
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: got the Maxim Hot 100. You were number 25 or something.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: And then you also did Playboy really loved you. You
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: did several shoots for Playboy.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: How was that? I'm really proud. I looked at Stephen Wada,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the celebrity photographer for Playboy, and he had an art
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: show overseas in Sweden or something. And he had pictures
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: up from my second spread. And someone was like, this
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: pictorial is so film noir. It's so beautiful. And he
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: was like, half said that it was the best spread
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: in all his 50 years. And I was like, well,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that makes me feel good. I have some regrets. Looking back,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I am just as beautiful with clothes on. I'm like, really,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: did I do that? But I think there was an
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: underlying current where I just wanted to piss off Tyra
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Banks and Ken Mock. And she hated Playboy. And I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: swear to God that that was like ingrained in me
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: is this just guns blazing middle fingers in the air.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Every second I could was to spite them. I was
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: very angry for a long time. I was mad.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And Why do you think you were so angry with them?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Because I really believed them. I really believed that winning
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: top model, I would be able to save my mother.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: They told me I would be the next Giselle, the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: next Tyra, that all the work was already done, that
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: she would manage my career. She managed Eva's career with
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: her manager, which was the third winner, who never talks
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: bad about her. And I wouldn't either because I'd be like, oh, shit,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you gave me what you said I was going to get.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But They knew that I was poor and they weaponized
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it against me so badly. And I believed them so
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: completely that I think the devastation I felt because I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: was young and immature just came out as just rage.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And now I'm grateful for it because I feel like
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it's like character development. I always say we're like a diamond,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: a many faceted diamond. And each trial and tribulation just
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: puts another shiny facet in it. So I'm like, I'm
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: just over here shining. Most people have never been through
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Back then, the fans would tell me,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you're just ungrateful. You're just this and that because people
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: didn't understand that they voiceovered what they were telling us
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: on the show. Tyra was like, well, you had to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: work for it. I'm like, no, you told me if
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I won this, that I'd be instantly rich, that I'd
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: be a Revlon cover girl and work begets work. So
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: if you have a Revlon campaign and that's in your portfolio,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you're hitting the ground running. I didn't have that. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I used to get jealous of the other winners, even
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: though they gave them like shoddy cover girl ads in
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the back of an Us Weekly ad. It's still a
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: CoverGirl ad. It's still something you could put in your portfolio.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And I had to like come to terms. I think
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I was at Sephora and I was looking at Ioana House,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the second winner, and she's in a big advertisement. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I was so jealous and I was so upset. And
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: then I was like, it's not her fault. I should
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: be grateful and happy that the other winners are getting
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: what they were told because why would I want anyone
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to feel this way? And I'm really glad I checked
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: that so early because then I was like, just hate
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Tyra and Ken. That's amazing though.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: That's a really, yeah, it takes a while for all
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of us to get to that place of like, You know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: this person's success is not going to take anything away
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: from my situation or my life or my success. And like,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: where is that coming from?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And that's so, yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: And then also Playboy at that time, was such a
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: coup and they really paid well to their celebrity people.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I came in right when they stopped paying well. God,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I swear to God.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: It was so funny because I remember when my manager
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: negotiated the first one and I'm like, this is low.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And he's like, Playboy's not making what they used to,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: all this other stuff. And I was like, I thought
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I'd be like walking with a million people I don't know, 500,000,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: like 400,000, maybe even 300,000? No.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: When they would do like the celebrity, like I remember
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Carney Wilson was in it because she went through gastric
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: bypass and it was like, she's doing it. And I
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: remember my friend, Jillian Barbary, who was the newscaster in LA.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And she was very sexy. I really like her. She
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: was always really nice to me.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: She was always so nice to, I mean, she is
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: a very nice person, but she was always very generous.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And again, the most non-jealous supportive of other women person.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: And, uh, And they offered her, I remember from what
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: she told me, like $ 400, 000.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Woo, that's, I would have took that in two seconds.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah. She regrets not taking it.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Because also she's like, you know what, there's that, you know,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: what is it?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Is wasted on the youth or some... Youth is wasted
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: on the young. Yeah, youth is wasted on the young, yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: But it's also like, you'll never be as young as today.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: You know, I do believe people get prettier over time and,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: you know, everything.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: To think, oh, my God, I could have had these,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: you know, fabulous photos of me done with the best photographers,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: the best makeup and the best lighting forever. But it
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: was like taboo. It was still you're naked and you're,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: you know, showing your body.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: And see, they got me. This is where they really
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: got me. They're like, we will put you in the
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: supermodel section. And for the first time in my life.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I finally was listed with Cindy Crawford and what's her name? Angela.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: She's the redhead. Really pretty. Oh, I know.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I know exactly who you mean. I see her in
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: my in my head.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: And she was because she was like the only redhead.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: She was always popping and she was always like dating
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: someone exciting.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Totally. Yes. So I remember going to Playboy West once.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And like the wall of supermodels. And I was like, finally,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: there I am. I know it's not real, but I
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: could say I was a supermodel for Playboy only. And
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I certainly didn't make $ 400, 000.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: And did anybody in your life have any kind of
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: issue with that spread?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I broke my grandmother's heart. And that's when
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I was younger and I would do things without thinking.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And I was raised very Italian Catholic. My grandma's full-blooded Calabrian.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And she lived with me from birth, raising me, taking
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: me to church. So she's old school. And her sister
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: put stickers and stuff. all over my body so that
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: my grandma could look. And my grandma was like, I've
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: never seen you so beautiful, but don't you understand you're
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: more beautiful with these stickers on you? And her eyes
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: were like glistening. And I was like, sticking it to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Tyra Banks and Ken Mock just brought tears to my
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: grandma's eyes. And I don't feel very good. So it
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: kind of sucked because I was like, I didn't get
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: paid that much. And now grandma's crying. Oh, man.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So I mean, I grew up very Irish Catholic. And definitely,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: if I was if, if the opportunity came to me,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: at 20 something, it would have been hard for my
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: parents to see that this is, I mean, we grew
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: up in LA. So they understand, you know, understood the
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: business a little bit, you know, more than than your
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: family would or whatever. But And, you know, but it
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: would it would have had to have been like, look,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Jenny McCarthy got a TV show and she's funny. Like
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I would have had to like use that as an
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: example if I was ever. Obviously, I was not I
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: wasn't a model. I was it wasn't happening. I went
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: to the parties. I loved the parties. I got I
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: got invited to the parties and I I got, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: to the Halloween and all those good ones from like
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: right around like ninety nine.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ninety nine. Two thousand. Two thousand.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: That time, oh my God, great people watched. The girls
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: were painted naked, but painted. And then I'd wear like
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: my little lingerie outfit. And I was just so excited
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: to eat the food. I was all about like the
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: lamb chops and like the lollipop lamb chops. And just, yeah,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it was like, and you'd see some stars and, you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: it was like good, fun stories. But no, definitely like
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: even as a kid and looking at the magazine, like
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: my dad would have it. And he would say, oh,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I do it for the articles. Or he was in
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: advertising and he'd say, oh, our ads are in a whatever.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: The articles were actually spectacular.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were good. But I remember like looking and
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: just reading the girls, how you'd fill out that thing.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: And you see the girls like bubble personal writing of
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: like favorite thing to do, where I want to live,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: my wish or whatever. And it definitely seemed glamorous. Now
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: it's just like, All this, you know, from The Girls
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Next Door to then, you know, I've interviewed Holly Madison
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: many times, and they've all written books. We all know
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: that that life wasn't glamorous. There's been documentaries about it
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: and everything. But definitely when we were growing up, it was,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know, it was glamorous.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: It was exciting.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: It wasn't scary or dirty or anything to be ashamed of,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: though many people's parents were not thrilled about it, if
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: you were one.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... I would say that being one of
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: 85 girls on one guy's arm would not be glamorous
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: for me. Like, I don't know a guy on Earth
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: that deserves more than me. So sorry, buddy. But the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: mansion for me, I just always thought it was like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the unspoken rule. You don't go upstairs. That's it. See
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: those stairs? Don't go up them.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never went up them.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I know you didn't, because if you did, it's party time. Excellent.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Get some pajamas on. But I always liked Hef. He
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: was really nice to me, very classy, never gross. Like
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: once he joked to me, he's like, you know, I've
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: only ever fallen in love with brunettes. And I was like,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: no way, buddy. And he laughed. I was like, sorry,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: hard pass. But yeah, I didn't see any darkness there
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: because like I was only interested in watching people and
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: making stories about every girl that came in. Like you'd
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: see the fresh doe-eyed chicks that weren't anyone, but they
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: were there to meet someone and climb the ladder. And
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: she'd walk in and I'd hit my friend and be like,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: oh my God, my name is Tiffany. Where's Leonardo DiCaprio?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Like I would just make stories. I'm like, she's from
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Nebraska and she was at a bar last night. She
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: met this dude. That's why she's here now. And it
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: was so fun to just people watch and make. That
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: is how, that's how I got invited. Like I went,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I went to some, And this guy, yeah, just came
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: up to me and was like, would you want to
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: go to the Playboy Mansion? And then got my number.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Or I got his, I don't know.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he called me. And I was like, oh, is
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: this real? And it's like, then the first time was
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: like an invite. And then after that, it was like, oh,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: you can just call this number when the parties come.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Or I'd get the invite and then I'd call to confirm.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And then if I wanted to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Bring a friend.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: You have to send a picture.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I have to send the photo.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: That's right. They don't want no ugly bitches there. No.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: And not everybody and not every friend got approved. And
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: then I'd have to just be like, oh, I just
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: didn't hear back.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I would go through my friend's pictures and
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: they'd be like, oh, send this. I'm like, nope. something
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: else and I just the perfect picture I'm like that's
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the one that's the one I'm submitting like that's.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Like what were the years that you were there from
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: being on the show and like socializing at these parties
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: and stuff.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I mean 2006 to about 2012 13 I just kind
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: of started like losing interest because I didn't want to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: wear underwear to Midsummer Night's Dream. I didn't mind the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Fourth of July party because it was so chill.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: The Halloween party. I went dressed as Alex DeLarge from
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: A Clockwork Orange with the big bulge and everything. And,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: you know, everyone's like, I'm a sexy bunny. I'm a
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: sexy butterfly. I looked horrible and Hef looked at me
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: and he was a huge Stanley Kubrick fan. And he
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: was like, ah, and he was like, called me over.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: And you could see all the chicks like, and I'm like, dude,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I'm married like this. It's not what you think. He
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: just likes Stanley Kubrick. Back off. It was an interesting place.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Who were you married to then during that time?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: My ex-husband. That was Christopher Nighttime. And would he come
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: with you? Yeah, but he didn't like it because what
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: fun is the Playboy Mansion for a married guy with
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: his wife there? I'm sure not much. Well, when I
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: got married and then I... now I'm married.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: So I called in to say, can I take my
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: husband to the New Year's Eve party? And she just,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: the woman goes, what? Absolutely not. It's a singles party.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, he's really cool. And like, cause I
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: just was like, that was it. I stopped getting invited.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I was so mad that I didn't think that through.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I should have just, cause I could have just kept
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: going with like a girlfriend for the hell of it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: You know, they invited us both, but I think that's
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: when they were courting me for my first spread. And
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: then he eventually was like, take a girlfriend because you know.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Well, also, I mean, he was a celebrity too. So
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: like that wouldn't make sense. And I bet back then
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: there was probably some fun like reality and stars and
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: stuff to socialize with.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Did it lead to any other type of jobs during
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: that time? I am not an elbow rubber. I am
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: the worst person that's ever existed in Hollywood. I will
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: walk a red carpet and go into the back room
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and right out the back door into my car and
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: go home. I'm so bad. I never really did that
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: unless it was like nerd stuff. I don't know. I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: don't like the fake culture, the kissy-kissy cheek, and then
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: you hear him talk shit about you like three feet
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: away from you. There was something so... It was like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: a plastic veneer, and I just didn't like it. So
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I was bad at ladder climbing, I guess.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: So then once you got divorced and the Playboy years
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: were over, then how did you end up with your
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: husband now, living in Montana, like.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: What happened there? Essentially, I was pretty much done with
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I was just done. And I met my husband,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: who does voiceovers for like movie trailers, like in a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: world this Friday. I met him and we dated a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: little bit and we moved to Arizona and we really
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: liked it. We were in the mountains of Prescott. And
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: then we were like, we want to get further away
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: from people. Like I just became anti big city, anti
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: the hustle and bustle. I just wanted to find peace
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: because I felt like I hadn't had any in so long.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: And then we we moved to Montana. We had never
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: been here. I do love it. We love it. We
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: both agreed we could never live anywhere near a city
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: ever again. It has to be not rural. It has
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: to be remote. We've discussed moving from here and finding
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: somewhere that you have to snowmobile in half the year
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: and stuff like we would really like. We'd really like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: to go off grid completely. I'd be very happy.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: So is it just the two of you? Yes.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. And three cats and a dog.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: And you just do your stuff. You work from home.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: You do things from home.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: How far is a grocery store? To go to Costco,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: it's about an hour and 45 minutes or Walmart. But
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I don't notice it anymore because, you know, I just
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: hit the highway. Montana miles are measured in hours. Everyone's like,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: how many miles is that from you? I'm like, it's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: like an hour and a half, hour 45. If there's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: a blizzard, it can be longer because you're not going
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: 70 down a highway. But it's so beautiful. It's not
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: unpleasant to like look at the majestic Rocky Mountains and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Glacier National Park.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: So do you just go like once every two weeks
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: and get everything you need or?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: In the summer and in the winter, I tend to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: do I try to do every four to six weeks.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Because it's difficult. Like sometimes we've been snowed in this
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: house for like two weeks because of the ice. It
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: was so dangerous. We're like, uh-uh. So you got to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: be stocked up. And we have a generator, which is
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: nice and good.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: And you don't get any kind of like cabin fever
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: or anything like that?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: No. Like we'll go snowshoeing and hiking. Like there's, I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: don't feel trapped here at all. That's so cool. Because
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the world is my oyster. Yeah. I dig it. That's awesome.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: And so you guys have been out there for how long?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Gosh. 18, 19. Almost eight years. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: And so when did you find out that, you know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: prior to the America's Next Top Model with the rise
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: of TikTok and everything, there was a lot of people,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: you know, going back to the old episodes and really
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: realizing like how fucked up it was and stuff. So
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: when I heard there was this doc coming out and that,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: you know, Tyra and her detective coat was going to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: be part of it, you know, that look, it's so,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I think she's like, well, I'd
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: rather do it with me rather than do it without me.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: And I just saw there's another one coming out that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: is not with any of them. And what was when
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: did you hear that? I'm sure they reached out to you.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: When did you hear that this was going to happen?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: So many top model docs are being made. So many.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: So I've said no to all of them. And it
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: feels great. I just I have zero trust for producers.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: And I know a couple of the girls that just
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: did the Netflix documentary. And they all told me they
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: were lied to and manipulated about what it was and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: that they feel over-edited and that they don't feel their
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: voices were heard. And I'm like, this is why I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: don't do anything. Because they didn't tell them the judges
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: were going to be on there or Tyra was going
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: to be on there. They told them that they would
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: be doing all the publicity for the show, but it's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: just been the judges and none of the girls. And
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: that the whole show was going to be all about
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the girls and their lives from when they were kids
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: to later... And it was all bullshit. And I'm like
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: wanting to shake them. I'm like, ladies, why do you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: keep believing these people don't believe them?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's why that's what I reached out to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: you because I was following you anyway.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: And I saw a video that you did.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: And you're like, what the fuck? You know that you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: didn't pay us when we were the contestants. Then you
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: do this doc and you don't pay them again.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But they paid the judges. Right.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: But of course, you're paying the judges. I'm sure Jay,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Manuel and Miss Jay and all those people got paid.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: And they didn't because... Maybe they didn't think to ask
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: or maybe it wasn't offered or whatever. Or they were
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: told this could lead to other opportunities.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: People could follow you. You're going to gain followers.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: You're going to get you be able to model again,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: whatever it was that they did. And then to just, again,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: not get anything out of it. I just love that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: you spelled it out because I was like, that's so
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: fucking true.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: You and I both know how much Netflix made off
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: that son of a bitch because everyone watched it. We're talking...
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: buttloads of money and I'm like see this is why
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so over the machine but I feel
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: like everyone keeps getting into a cage with a scorpion
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: and a rattlesnake going why is it biting me I'm
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: like well it's a scorpion and a rattlesnake like stop
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: getting in that cage but I get it you want
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: to feel like your voice is going to be heard
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how the e thing's gonna go
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just because I hear it's more about the girls.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Then again, sorry, E, I don't trust producers. So I'll
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: tentatively sit back. I didn't watch the Netflix thing because
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to give them any money. But I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: might watch the E thing, depending on what it was
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: reported to me. We'll see.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to get your opinion on one thing.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I'll just explain it in that. So Jay Manuel, who was,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: you know who he is, the makeup artist for everybody,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: I guess. And he tells the story of how You know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: he had such a great time doing it, but he
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: just decided, I think I've gone my course and I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: want out. And he writes her an email, Tyra, and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: then he waited like three days. She finally gets back
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: to him. She wrote like, I'm disappointed. But then I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: guess they negotiated the final contract for the final year.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: And then when they got together and the lights went on,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: she treated him like her bestie again.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: And so that was kind of his thing.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: And some people have felt, oh, my God, she tossed
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: him away. I kind of felt, well, you did email
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: and say you don't want to be part of the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: show anymore. I mean, I still think I'd be nice
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: to my friend and I would have been like, I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: totally get it.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Let's make the best of the last year. I don't know.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: But what is your feeling about that? Never work with
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: your friends, dude. Real bad idea, for one, because stuff
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: like that happens. But it's funny to me because people
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, she didn't apologize to you. I'm like,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: look at how she treats her friends. Why do you
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: think she's going to apologize to any of us? Like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: of course not. But I did kind of laugh because
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: from what it seems like, because, you know, the cancel
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Karen mob wants to get Tyra Banks and the judges
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: came in and deflected the blame off of all of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: what they did and just tossed it on to Tyra,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: which I'm like, Well done, boys. Well done. That's hilarious.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Good for you guys, because that's like that takes skill
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: to like pretend that you weren't part.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Of earning part of the whole thing. I mean, you yeah,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: you were doing all the awful things to the models
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: as well. And and we're out for yourselves as well
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: to like do the fame.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: And but that's but men are good at that. They're
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: so good at it. I'm sorry. I always tell everyone.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Never betray a fashion gay. You have no idea what
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: you're in for. You don't understand. I mean, you have
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: to have a certain level of caddy to make it
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: in that industry. You got to, we're talking like leopards
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: and mountain lions and like I would not burn one.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: but I guess she decided to burn one. Good luck.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: So when she had her talk show, what was that like?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, you weren't watching it, but it was popping
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: up like anything, any feelings towards that time?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Leave these bitches kept agreeing to go on the show
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: and the show already screwed them over and then they
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: go on Tyra. And you know what I liken it to?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It's like loss aversion when you gamble and you're like,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I'm up 800 bucks. Oh, no, I'm down 1600. And
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: then you keep betting and keep betting and you're hoping
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to hit. I think that's what happens to people.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: It's either a loss aversion or there's that dopamine hit
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: of getting on TV. Like, because I can understand how
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: that can be appealing to people, you know?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: It definitely is a dragon that you'll keep chasing. But
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I would hear stories about girls going on the show.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, weren't they done dirty
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: on the show and now they're going on a show?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: That's crazy to me.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the most fascinating thing about
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: reality TV in general is that, you know, before it existed,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: there was only one way to really get famous online.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: in the TV movie world. And that was to go
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: through the steps, act, get on a, get a five
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: and under, then get a regular spot, then be a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: star of friends. You know, like there was one trajectory really.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: And this was like, oh my God, you know, you
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: can be really famous and have this fun and be
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: on a TV show and lead to other things. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: now it's such a regular thing. This has been around
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: for like 25, 30 years. And I do think for
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: certain reality stars, it is an addiction. like anything else.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: The addiction, the fame is an addiction. And I see
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: it with Real Housewives. Certain ones can be on their
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: way and, you know, and other ones will, you know,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I can't go back to my boring life now.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: When I retired in 2015- Like I'm an Avon lady now.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I love it. It's what I do. Yeah. And I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: get offers. And it's so funny because people are like,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: no one's offering you anything. I'm like, you don't think
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: for these stupid ensemble shows that they don't want the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: OG top model with like a record of having popular
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: TV shows? Of course they do. And I get to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: say no. And they are not used to hearing that.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: They are used to hearing people like, yes, I'm going
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: to go on Celebrity Big Brother. I'm going to go
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: on The Traitors. And I'm like, no, I'm good. And
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: it feels so good. I love doing it. Because people
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: thought I went crazy when I retired. Because they're like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: what do you mean you're turning this down? I think
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the last thing I turned down, like right when it
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: really hit in 2015 when I was done, is they
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: wanted me to go on E's Famously Single. But I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: just started dating my husband. And I remember telling, and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: they're like, just explain to him. It's just a show.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, first off, I've never done the fake reality
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: TV shit ever. So I don't want to do that.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, second, what if this guy's the one? I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: feel like it's the one. And everyone's laughing at me. Like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, F you guys. I'm not doing this.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And then I told him about it and he was like,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Jesus hell. I'm like, yeah, they want me to like
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: fake date other guys. I'm like, no self-respecting man is
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: going to stay with you. Who's serious about you when
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: you're going on TV and pretending you're like some hussy.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, I would have dumped you
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: in two seconds. Yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: You'd be like, well, I guess she is who everyone,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: you know, she's your typical reality star or whatever.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: So I said, I said, that was the beginning of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: saying no. And then I was like, I, I just,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: I can't sell my soul anymore. I'm just, I'm so
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: over it. And it's so empowering. Like I've had people
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: reach out, like, here's a show it's sold. We need
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: you to host. You could pay off your mortgage. And
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: they're always throwing shit like that at me. And I'm like,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I'm good. Thank you. That's amazing. Yeah, I love your Instagram.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: And I love, you know, that you're able to still
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: do that on your terms and show off your personality
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: and show the products that you love that you're selling. And,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: you know, you are so naturally beautiful.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: No one can use me with what I'm doing right now.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Like, for what?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Skin so soft? Is that what you're going to use
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: me for? I have no connections anymore. I have no
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: manager for you to talk to. I don't have a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: publicist friend. Literally all the coattail writers, one by one,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: just all the dead weight started coming off me the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: second I stopped. And now I feel free.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Really just like people just dumped you like you never
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: heard from them again.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Oh slowly but surely they all started going the way
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: of the dodo and I was like wow man I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: was surrounded by people who were not my friends I
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: have a few but the majority of them were there
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: because I think they felt excited that we'd walk down
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: the street and TMZ would be there or something you
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: know what I mean yeah like it gave them a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: rush and, you know, I became boring and then they
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: just left. And I'm like, okay. And then I, you know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: you get some space and you see the hidden agendas. Well,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: this chick wanted to be a singer real bad. And
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: then this person was always talking to my producer friend,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: but she has a project that she wrote about on
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: her page that she's trying to sell. And then I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: just started seeing the matrix. I'm like, I, my face
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: was a ladder run for people trying to climb to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: the top. That's all it was. And I'm not even
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: that big. But you know the industry. That's how it is.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Well, when you hear about like, you know, how now
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: people have these conspiracy theories about Hollywood and connecting it
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: to the really dark Epstein stuff and like, oh, people
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: did sell their soul to the or they sold their
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: butthole to Diddy, or whatever they.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Want to say.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: You know, like Cat Williams, like, it could have been me,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: I could have been Will Smith, or whatever he says, right?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: My God, you just killed me, Dad. I mean, what
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: is your thought? What is your thought in that? I
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: think you and I both know there's some real fucked
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: up people in Hollywood. There's some dark shit that does
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: go on there, and to deny it is to deny
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: the sky is blue. Right. But I think... When you're
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: an A-lister and the world is your oyster and you're
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: rich beyond measure, the issue seems to be people who
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: can do and say whatever they want, however they want to.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Life becomes boring because you want for nothing, like Bill Gates.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: And the more bored you get because you have so
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: much money, you could like buy a country. The more
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: extreme you get with the things that interest you until
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: you just keep heading down this horrible, dark path. path.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: And I mean, we all know the seven degrees of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Kevin Bacon. Everyone's had sex with each other. And that's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, you dated her. So did Tom and Daniel.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Everyone did that. And I recognized that right away. Like
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: when I left my ex-husband, I was like, I'm not
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: dating anyone in this industry. And my manager got all
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: these phone calls and all this stuff. I'm like, nope. nope,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want anyone involved with this shit. We're done.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that was a really good decision because
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to fly and soar high because look
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: at the people who are doing that. Like Will and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Jada Smith, those are two of the most fucked up
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: people I've ever seen. The most. Like, what is wrong
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: with you? I always thought they were weird.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: You know, I was like, oh, they have to match.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm always like that, you know, on the red carpet.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: But then like Oprah would just be like, you guys
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: are the greatest couple ever. And she'd be like, and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I have a bonus son. I have a bonus son.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: And then I'm like, and then you fucked the bonus
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: son's best friend. And then and then she made Will
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: sit down on her Facebook YouTube show with the red
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: table with with the mother and the daughter and have
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: him basically be gaslit into being that it's his fault because,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: you know, he made throwing a big birthday for her
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: about himself. I'll never forget. Yes, I will never forget this.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Scene from the show.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: They put him down and like the daughter is there
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: and she's there. And it was just like, she's like,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: and then, and then you knew it was my birthday coming.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to party, but you had to do it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Didn't you?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Well, you had to do it. And he's like, yeah, I,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I thought having a big party, you know, would be
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: a fun, nice thing. No, you did it for yourself, Will.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: And he's like, but I know I did it for myself.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, what? So when that, that I think happened,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: I saw that before the slap.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: So when the slap happened.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: And also the humiliation about that she had an entanglement
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: with the son's friend, you know, that was hanging around.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: And why it was just an entanglement. Like, you just
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: need to deal with that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: That whole thing.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: And then I just recently saw the slap. Like, again,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: someone posted it. It is so horrific.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: The Oscars are around the corner. It is so horrific.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Triggering uncomfortable awkward the fact that jerry springer entire audience
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: clinch their butthole like clinch like is this a joke
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: no this is not a joke oh fuck this guy's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: really mad and then chris rock being like dude what
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: does she know about him? I was doing a live show.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: I was doing a live Juicy Scoop at the Brea Improv.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize when I booked it, it was Oscar night,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: but whatever. And that type of show is like kind
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: of like a variety show. Like I'm going in, doing characters,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: I had different people with me. And I go to
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: like change something and they're like, Will Smith just slapped,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: you know, Chris Rock. And I go, oh, that's an act.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: Like that can't be real. That can't be real. And
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: some people were like getting phone alerts. Like it was
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: the biggest news ever in the audience. And I'm like, okay,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: I guess we need to talk about this fucking slap.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: And then, and then I got one of my biggest
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: videos was I had a, a guest on who was
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: a friend of mine, Josh Wolf. And we talked about it.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: And it was like, I was like, you know, a woman,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: a woman can be a narcissist too. Like, I mean,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: I think they're both weird. I think they're so weird.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: And I think there's so much weirdness about their fucking family.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: But what does she have on him? It's bad. She
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: knows something so effing bad that he's willing to go
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: through humiliation rituals. emasculation rituals. She's got the dirtiest dirt
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: that's ever dirted on that dude.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: I know it.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I feel it. I know it. No self-respecting man's going
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: to sit there and get emasculated the way he has.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: He's done something so rank and she knows. That's all
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I got to say. I read her book and I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: was just like... Did you? How did that go for you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Because I just was fascinated by this whole weird... And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, what is real? What's not?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Was it good?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, you know, it's about her life, but
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: it was just all those things, you know, like Tupac
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: was her best friend and, you know, and then she did,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: she didn't really, when she met him, she was like,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: I don't like this corny, like this corny kind of
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: hip hop music. I like hardcore and, you know, and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: then he had to chase her and it was a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: very self-serving thing. And then it was a very, you know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: then she had her interview with like a Jay Shetty
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: that like, you know, is a grifter too.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: And she's talking to her through life and.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: I just was like, but yeah, I think the fact
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: that they're still kind of married or whatever they're doing. No,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I think I think they both swung different ways. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: think they were swingers together. I think he has had boyfriends.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's just my personal opinion. I think she's
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: had girlfriends totally. And, you know, and then for a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: minute they were Scientologists.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Like, I think I think they were at baby lube
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: ditty parties, honestly. I think they were right there. And
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I grew up as a kid. French Fresh Prince was
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: my thing. I used to know all his dumb ass
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: lyrics to all his rap, like the nightmare on my
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: street and stuff like I loved this shit. So to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: watch like my childhood hero, at least like Wesley Snipes
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: was my other one because I love Blade. At least
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: he just ripped off Uncle Sam, which I'm like, yeah,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: that's not so bad. Will Smith just face planted for me.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, all my childhood memories are destroyed. So
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: thank you, wherever you are, Wesley Snipes. I still love you, man.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Thanks for not letting me down.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, my God.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I've thoroughly enjoyed talking to you so much. Your
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: life story is very, very inspiring. And you have a
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: lot of such great wisdom. like your life lessons and
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: your wisdom that you could give. So many things that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: you said, I was like, oh my God, that's so true.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Like that makes so much sense. So I just know
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: everyone is going to love this interview. So thank you
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: so much. And tell everybody where they can follow you.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: You can follow me at Adrienne Curry on X, Instagram
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: and Facebook. And I believe TikTok is Adrienne Curry Road.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm an Avon lady. So if you want
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: some of that, come my way. I love it. I
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: It was so nice talking to you. Thanks so much
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: for taking the time. I appreciate it.
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