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Second Half Stretch | Jaguars Reporters · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Jaguars Reporters podcast. JP Shatterick,
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  Speaker 1: Kai Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Ozer. Coming off the bye week,
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  Speaker 1: headed into Week ten and the Jaguars at six and two.
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  Speaker 2: They've won five in a row.
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  Speaker 1: They'll host the San Francisco forty nine Ers this Sunday
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  Speaker 1: at one o'clock. Let's start off with the big trade
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  Speaker 1: news at the deadline. Ezra Cleveland the Guard comes in
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  Speaker 1: from the Vikings. Doug Peterson confirmed Ky on Monday that
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  Speaker 1: Walker Little is the starter. He wanted to be clear
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  Speaker 1: about it. Walker is the left guard on this team.
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  Speaker 3: He came out and said that, obviously, you don't want
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  Speaker 3: any infighting on the offensive line. Offensive line has been
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  Speaker 3: pretty good because they've been moving them all the parts
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  Speaker 3: around for quite some time, especially this year with all
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  Speaker 3: the injuries that they've been dealing with. But I think
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  Speaker 3: we all had talked about it. If you can get
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  Speaker 3: someone on the cheap and they're giving up a late
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  Speaker 3: round draft pick for Cleveland to add some help on
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  Speaker 3: the line, that certainly isn't going to hurt them. And
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  Speaker 3: he has some versatility. He's a guard, but he can
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  Speaker 3: kind of play in multiple positions as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: That's certainly something that they need help with on this team,
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  Speaker 3: so that was a good addition. In my opinion.
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  Speaker 4: Little is a tackle playing guard. I think the long
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  Speaker 4: term plan is to move him back to tackle, which
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  Speaker 4: means you're gonna need guards. Shatley's at the end of
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  Speaker 4: his career and is a free agent next year, and
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  Speaker 4: Brandon Sheriff has a twenty three million dollar cap figure
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  Speaker 4: and he's at the end of his career. It would
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  Speaker 4: appeared as well, and you need bodies in Cleveland's a
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  Speaker 4: former second round pick, JP, talented guy, and somebody that
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  Speaker 4: can play left or right. And I just got the
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  Speaker 4: sense listening to Doug that he's in their long term plans.
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  Speaker 4: This is a move for today as well as tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit in that sense, different positions. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: like Ridley last year. You bring him in with an
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  Speaker 5: eye on the future. Ridley couldn't play last year. I say,
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  Speaker 5: it's not exactly the same, but you trade now with
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  Speaker 5: the idea of having something later. I think it was important.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure they did this last week. Important to tell
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  Speaker 5: Walker Little publicly and privately, Hey, you're a left guard.
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  Speaker 5: You fit into our plan because he's sort of been
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  Speaker 5: juggled a lot, playing different positions. Really through no fault
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  Speaker 5: of his own. He didn't play poorly at left tackle.
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  Speaker 5: It's just that Cam Robinson is the left tackle and
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to move Cam somewhere else. He played well
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  Speaker 5: left guard, deserves to be in the starting five. And
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  Speaker 5: I think for keeping Walker Little around long term, keeping
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  Speaker 5: him part of it, keeping into it, it was important
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  Speaker 5: to make sure he said, hey, you're one of our guys.
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  Speaker 5: You earned this.
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  Speaker 4: He brings depth. And it's interesting, JB. Because you look
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  Speaker 4: at Cam Robinson's number next year, he's a seventeen and
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  Speaker 4: a half million dollar cap savings and you've got Walker
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  Speaker 4: Little that you drafted. So maybe he don't know this
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  Speaker 4: for sure, and they, of course wouldn't address it. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: they're setting themselves up to be able to create the
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  Speaker 4: offensive line at the future next season and Little is
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  Speaker 4: just not Little Cleveland is just getting ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Of that, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, every tackle who has been a tackled
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  Speaker 1: their whole career wants to be a tackle.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they get paid a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be tough for him, and maybe he's swunging
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of pride going inside. But he's in
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  Speaker 1: the lineup, he's playing, he's contributing, and we'll see what
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  Speaker 1: the future olds.
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  Speaker 5: Last year, remember they needed seven really good offensive linemen
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  Speaker 5: to do what they did. If they had had one
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  Speaker 5: fewer last year, those the last three or four games
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  Speaker 5: might have looked a lot differently, might look a lot
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  Speaker 5: different now they're back to having that formula even plus one.
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  Speaker 5: Because you have Shatley and Cleveland behind me at guard.
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  Speaker 5: Shatley communities, you're very protected if something happens to you.
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  Speaker 4: I think Shatley, we've seen some limitations from him over
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  Speaker 4: his career. He doesn't have long arms, he's not a
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  Speaker 4: tall guy. But I think in recent weeks his mobility
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  Speaker 4: has been somewhat of an issue. And when you look
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  Speaker 4: at him as your backup center, you're much more comfortable
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  Speaker 4: with him as the center than the guard. And this
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  Speaker 4: gives you a guy that you can make your third
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  Speaker 4: guard right away.
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  Speaker 2: You have short arms, and you're a short guy too.
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  Speaker 4: But I also don't play professional footcasts thought injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Jay Jones was the most notable one from Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 1: on Monday. He said, all these other guys, Walker little
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  Speaker 1: is good to go Tyson Campbell, Andre Cisco coming off
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  Speaker 1: their hamstrings, a little off his knee issue. But the
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  Speaker 1: Zay Jones when Kai just didn't sound great, he was
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  Speaker 1: not giving any definitive answers.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a tough one too. Obviously we don't know
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  Speaker 3: anything officially, but it just seems discouraging. It's not at
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  Speaker 3: a point where every week we're like, yeah, he's getting
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  Speaker 3: closer and getting better. It kind of just feels very
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  Speaker 3: stagnant on that and I think someone brought up the
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  Speaker 3: mention of IR. Doug didn't rule that out at this point,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously, with something lingering this long, that always gives
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  Speaker 3: you not a great feeling. And he's so crucial to
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  Speaker 3: this offense. It really just opens everything up when he's
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  Speaker 3: out there. So to hear that it's still not getting
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  Speaker 3: better after so many weeks, that's just not positive at
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  Speaker 3: this point, not at all.
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  Speaker 5: John Well, he Unless you are carrying a lot of
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  Speaker 5: guys on IR, it's not that much of a hindrance
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  Speaker 5: to your roster to carry one guy on the inactive
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  Speaker 5: list unless you're two or three guys long term and active.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a big problem to have Zay inactive for
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  Speaker 5: three four or five unless you start getting injuries in
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  Speaker 5: other areas and you need bodies, you need parts. So
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  Speaker 5: it sounds like it's sort of close whether he would
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  Speaker 5: be ready. It's four weeks you have to be out
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  Speaker 5: if you're on IR, so it sounds like it's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be three four ish and they're trying to figure out
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  Speaker 5: do we go ahead and keep that roster spot for Zay.
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  Speaker 5: But it certainly it hadn't sounded for a couple of
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  Speaker 5: weeks like he would be back for San Francisco. I'd
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  Speaker 5: be very surprised if it's not the Texans At this point, well.
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  Speaker 4: Too, alarm bells went off for me when the week
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  Speaker 4: of the Steelers game, the word was he was going
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  Speaker 4: to get back on the practice field and he wasn't
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  Speaker 4: out there at all. That's when I went, Okay, this
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  Speaker 4: is much bigger, not knowing exactly what the end is,
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  Speaker 4: but it's less likely that we're going to see him
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  Speaker 4: anytime soon. And truthfully, though we'd all like to see
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  Speaker 4: the offense producing at a higher level. If you don't
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  Speaker 4: need to bring him back right now, don't rush it,
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  Speaker 4: because he's such a valuable piece on third down. I
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  Speaker 4: look at their third down conversion rate which is thirty
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  Speaker 4: five percent, which is way below a high performing offense.
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  Speaker 4: And I say he's a big reason why. His absence
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  Speaker 4: is a big reason.
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  Speaker 1: Why, no doubt about that. So now the question is now,
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  Speaker 1: what if he's not there. We've seen it for a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks, what they've tried to do, but is that sustainable?
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  Speaker 1: What else can they find to open things up for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the guys if that's the least they
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  Speaker 1: can do on offense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure there is an answer to replace
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  Speaker 5: him because he's I don't think Parker Washington, Tim Jones,
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  Speaker 5: Elijah Cooks, the two rookies aren't there yet, that's right,
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  Speaker 5: And you can't just blank and force them to be there.
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  Speaker 5: So I think you've got to continue sort of doing
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  Speaker 5: what you do, which is keep working it, keep trying
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  Speaker 5: to combinations in the red zone. Had somebody email me
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  Speaker 5: a few weeks ago, well, how can you say Zay
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  Speaker 5: is so important? They have Christian Kirk, he's your possession guy,
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  Speaker 5: but Zay matters because we all saw him matter last
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  Speaker 5: eight games last season, the play that beat the Ravens,
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  Speaker 5: the play early this season that I put you on
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  Speaker 5: top against the Bills. He's a really good red zone guy.
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  Speaker 5: He's quick, everything's as double move guy, but he's real athletic.
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  Speaker 5: He's good in the red zone, and not having him
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  Speaker 5: means you can do so much to take away the
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  Speaker 5: other guys, and that's probably the biggest thing I'll love.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you two things you could do. One is
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  Speaker 4: you could use travestn more, not necessarily as a runner,
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  Speaker 4: but as a receiver. We know that he's good in
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  Speaker 4: that capacity. In order to do that, you're gonna need
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  Speaker 4: Tank Bixby to come ready to play, and this is
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  Speaker 4: where you might expect he might be ready to play.
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  Speaker 4: And the other is Brenton Strange. We saw a little
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  Speaker 4: bit from him before the bye, and he he is
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  Speaker 4: a gifted player and a guy who looks like he
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  Speaker 4: might be ready to take another step again.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have Za.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like they're going to replace a But if
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for alternatives and different guys to scheme and
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  Speaker 4: personnel groups packages things like that, Bixby and Stranger two
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  Speaker 4: guys who could step up and help you and allow
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  Speaker 4: you to different things.
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  Speaker 3: I think when I think about the offense being successful
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  Speaker 3: in the second half, a lot of it for me
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  Speaker 3: is Trevor having that time and feeling he has that time,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, maybe he has been protected, but he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily always feel that way because you can feel
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  Speaker 3: that he's choosing to run and he does well when
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  Speaker 3: he runs, and I think that's great, But at certain
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  Speaker 3: points it's you know, if you give him a couple
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  Speaker 3: extra seconds to get open for some of the receivers,
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  Speaker 3: that might open things up differently because then they're able
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  Speaker 3: to throw the ball more, they're able to kind of
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  Speaker 3: get things moving a little bit faster, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that's something for the offense that they kind of need
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  Speaker 3: to get in a rhythm with as opposed to what
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  Speaker 3: they've been doing sometimes this season so far.
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  Speaker 5: And that's where I think you miss Aday is absolutely
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  Speaker 5: at how many times have we seen them hit quick
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  Speaker 5: timing hit where they flashes open quickly or on a
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  Speaker 5: fade where you don't need the protection that much. That's
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  Speaker 5: where they really gives them something they can rely on
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  Speaker 5: to get open quickly where they don't have to depend
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  Speaker 5: on the offensive line short of having Zay back. You
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  Speaker 5: need the offensive line to play better, yeah, or protect.
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  Speaker 1: Better absolutely, or have that the quarterback at least think
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  Speaker 1: that way. Have the confidence back that you've watched Joe
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  Speaker 1: Burrow the other night and just his confidence and the
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  Speaker 1: pot guys are flying by him.
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  Speaker 2: Things are going on, but he's always downfield.
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  Speaker 4: Look go watch that Niners game again against the Bengals,
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  Speaker 4: and the Niners have two hundred and two million dollars
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  Speaker 4: guaranteed in the three starters on their defensive line, and
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  Speaker 4: they were all over the pocket and Burrow was absolutely
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  Speaker 4: you couldn't make him throw us.
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  Speaker 2: That's Jerry Baalgan the quarterbacks to be that way.
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  Speaker 1: This week, we'll come back in a moment and look
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  Speaker 1: ahead three of the next four here in Jacksonville, and
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  Speaker 1: this is Jaguars Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Final few moments as we headed into week ten and
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  Speaker 1: after this one, this long track of five different stadiums
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  Speaker 1: in five weeks and four cities and seven time zones.
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  Speaker 1: Well now three of the next four tier right here
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and the friendly confines of EverBank Stadium. It
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  Speaker 1: starts with San Francisco coming in for a one o'clock kickoff,
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  Speaker 1: a game we've been looking forward to for a long
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  Speaker 1: long time. It's a different sand Fan team. They've lost
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  Speaker 1: three in a row. I don't know how different they are, though.
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  Speaker 1: There's still the forty nine ers and they can come.
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  Speaker 3: Play, and they're coming off of bye week two, right,
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  Speaker 3: so that's going to help them just as much to
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  Speaker 3: have gotten healthier and get some of their guys back
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  Speaker 3: out there. We'll find out a little bit later on
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  Speaker 3: in the week who exactly will be back. But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this team is one of those teams that adjusts to
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  Speaker 3: whoever they have on the field so well, to the
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  Speaker 3: point where you almost don't realize who's missing at certain points,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Obviously we've seen them do it with quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: They don't care who the quarterback is. They're going to
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  Speaker 3: find a way to win. But I mean, they're dangerous
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  Speaker 3: in so many aspects. It's hard to pin one down particularly.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously we've been circling this game for a while
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  Speaker 3: along with some of the other Primetime Ones games that
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  Speaker 3: we're looking forward to measuring stick game and kind of
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  Speaker 3: seeing where this team is at. Jaguar is still probably
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  Speaker 3: not getting a ton of love in this one. I
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  Speaker 3: think they're underdogs for it as well, so that's common.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna come with the territory for Jacksonville as we know, so,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it's gonna be fun one to watch.
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  Speaker 4: I've said it before. Kyle Shanahan is a guy that
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  Speaker 4: I always watched his team because the way he puts
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  Speaker 4: groups of players together to create mismatches to dictate to
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  Speaker 4: a defense, the motion and the movement.
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  Speaker 2: He's really really good.
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  Speaker 4: And then Doug Peterson shows up here last year and
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm watching the same guy. So I think
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  Speaker 4: this is a matchup of two premier offensive minds in
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  Speaker 4: terms of design. And I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 2: You know, John, you call this.
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  Speaker 4: We went out there in twenty seventeen with that great
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  Speaker 4: defense and they jumped out to a sixteen nothing lead,
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  Speaker 4: and Kyle Yuschek, the fullback, was their leading receiver that day.
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  Speaker 4: They used Matt Brida and they were throwing the ball
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  Speaker 4: laterally and confusing the Jaguars defense, just creating mismatches and
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  Speaker 4: opportune plays, and I remember thinking, this guy gets it.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, you know, his father was really good at
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  Speaker 4: that too.
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  Speaker 2: So I am really.
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  Speaker 4: Looking forward to Sunday because when you go back and watch,
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  Speaker 4: and I went back and watched the last three games
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  Speaker 4: for the Niners and the last three games for the Jaguars,
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  Speaker 4: you see lots of creativity and lots of aggressive offensive personality.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you're gonna have two alphas right on
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  Speaker 4: the sidelines, both trying to exert their will on two
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  Speaker 4: good defenses. Should be a fun matchup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Niners or in an interesting spot. First of
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  Speaker 5: all I'm understanding is that Samuel and Williams will both play,
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  Speaker 5: But from talking to people, it's not just the injuries
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  Speaker 5: as the reason that they've started with the last three games,
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  Speaker 5: they've turned the ball over more than they used to.
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  Speaker 5: Defenses have The Browns who beat them first came up
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  Speaker 5: with sort of an approach that the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 5: so far have not really figured out. So they're in
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  Speaker 5: a spot. You lose three straight. Now you're coming to
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  Speaker 5: play Jacksonville on the road, you lose four straight. This
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  Speaker 5: is almost a desperate team coming in, which sounds weird
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  Speaker 5: for San Francisco because there was.
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  Speaker 4: The Cowboys forty to ten on Saturday Night football. They
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  Speaker 4: look like a Jugger.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and in their past Rush, although they look good
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  Speaker 5: on paper, has not been great. They add to Chase Young,
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  Speaker 5: but they haven't really pressured the way they want. So
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  Speaker 5: they're it's interesting. I mean, this could be a defining
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  Speaker 5: game for them, that makes them very dangerous. But they're
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  Speaker 5: not playing very well right now.
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  Speaker 4: They have eighteen sacks, the Jaguars have sixty, and they
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  Speaker 4: have two hundred and two million guarantees. Had a guy
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  Speaker 4: named Nick Bosa who we all have seen. Here's here's
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  Speaker 4: the number. The Jaguars have turned the ball over eight
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  Speaker 4: times in five consecutive wins. The Niners have turned it
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  Speaker 4: over seven times threeconsecutive losses, six of those from the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: So the quarterback brock Party, who last year looked like
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  Speaker 4: a revelation, is mister irrelevant leading a team deep into
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs. The quarterback party has to take better care
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  Speaker 4: of the ball for the Niners to be able to
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  Speaker 4: be the Niners.
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  Speaker 1: Big ball game coming up Sunday, standing room tickets being sold.
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  Speaker 1: Big broadcast crew as well, Joe Davis, Joel Johnson, Pam
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  Speaker 1: Oliver on the sidelines from Fox Sports, and we'll hope
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  Speaker 1: that you're at the stadium as well. If not, join
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  Speaker 1: us for the public Sellgate Show ten o'clock. We've got
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  Speaker 1: all our programming this week. Of course, Jags Am Wednesday, Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: Huddle Up Wednesday afternoon, hellou, we got a Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: Thursday and then the Doug Peterson Show, we got it
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  Speaker 1: all for you coming up. That's all for today, though,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexist and John Ozer Kai Stevens on JP Shadwick
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