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MINI SCROLL: Chloe's Giant Cookies viral legal battle, Sofia Franklyn CHD memoir + Olivia Jade x Braxton Berrios · Mini Scroll

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  good stuff. All right, let's get into the
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  stories for today. So the first story that I have
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  for you guys today is I'm going to breakdown what's been going
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  on with Chloe Sexton, the Baker on TikTok who's going viral
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  because she is talking about a lawsuit that is possibly being
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  filed against her for her brand name Chloe's giant cookies.
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  Chloe is a very popular TikTok Baker.
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  She now has nearly 3,000,000 followers, but she's had like a
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  million follower growth in the last, I don't know, few days
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  because of the situation, but regardless, she had over 2
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  million followers before this even started.
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  A few days ago, she made a video saying that she was sent a cease
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  and desist, claiming her business name could lead to a
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  lawsuit after she announced that she's going to be featured on
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  Gordon Ramsay's new Next Level Baker show.
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  On November 17th, I announced to the Internet that I was going to
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  be on Gordon Ramsay's first Baker.
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  Three days later I received this expedited piece of mail telling
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  me that someone was suing me for using the name Chloe's Giant
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  Cookies. With the help of my lawyer and
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  my team, we have solidly proved that for many years there have
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  been 25 plus businesses we have found a loan operating under
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  some combination of the word Chloe's and Cookies.
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  They are not being sued, but I am.
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  Furthermore, their name is not Chloe.
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  Mine is. I do not wish the individuals
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  posing this lawsuit any harm, however I wish that this could
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  have been resolved on a more human nature given that finding
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  me means knowing everything it has cost me to get where I am
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  the individuals suing me. Chloe's not their name.
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  Now, she didn't name the company that's suing her, but she did
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  like a comment that said the brand is called Chloe's Cookies
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  based out of Myers, Florida. And this has seemingly been
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  confirmed by a few press outlets that it is Chloe's Cookies out
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  of Florida. It's owned by Ken and Cheryl
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  Weiner. And some press outlets have
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  reached out to them for comment and they have reportedly said at
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  the appropriate time they will set the record straight,
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  supported by documentation. So I am guessing that it is them
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  that is suing her. So now, of course, the reviews
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  for Chloe's Cookies in Florida are in the gutter.
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  Like people have been leaving the most horrific reviews for
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  this other company, but it has escalated even more over the
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  past day. So it seems like brands across
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  the world that have Chloe and cookies in their name, they're
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  coming together with Chloe, the one who is being sued from
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  Chloe's giant cookies to help her fight this.
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  I've seen comments from other cookie brands in her comments
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  section being like, I'm in, like, you know, how can we help?
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  And then she's like, DM me, let's talk.
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  So it seems like there may be something that's going to like
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  happen collectively with all of these cookie brands because her
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  whole point is like, if there's so many cookie brands with these
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  two words in it, why are you only suing me?
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  It's obviously because I am the most famous.
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  I do want to note, though, that the company that is threatening
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  the lawsuit, they actually do have the trademark for this
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  name. I don't know what the trademark
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  encompasses. OK, but they do have a trademark
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  relating to this name and Chloe from Chloe's giant cookies.
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  Chloe Sexton does not. I have seen some lawyers on
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  TikTok say like, yes, sure, maybe in all fairness, they
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  should be suing others, not just you, but you're the one that's
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  about to go on national, if not international television using
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  their brand name that they do have trademarked.
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  And then the most recent update here is that Chloe posted a
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  video claiming that the son of the owners of the brand that is
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  trying to sue her, he's allegedly been harassing her in
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  the DMS. So this is what some of the screenshots say.
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  He allegedly DMS her saying you really need to stop talking.
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  Where is this really just a fraud for you to pick up
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  additional followers on Instagram because you'll take
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  any chance you can to set anything to be a pathetic excuse
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  for additional attention. That is like not even a
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  sentence, but OK, greetings. Last chance, take down the the
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  videos. Same for that incompetent nurse
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  you're supposedly close friends with.
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  The incompetent nurse that this is referring to is Jen Hamilton,
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  who made a video in support of Chloe about this situation.
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  Jen Hamilton? Incompetent nurse?
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  The Jen Hamilton no. And then if you want your stupid
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  meeting without lawyers, pick up the phone.
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  I am here. So weird that the son is getting
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  involved. So apparently the owner of the
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  company that is trying to sue Chloe can.
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  Apparently he is litigious like I've seen people on Reddit say.
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  If you look up his name you'll see that he files lawsuits
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  often. I don't even know where to look
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  that up. OK I'm not based on the USI
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  don't know what I would look up so I didn't look that up.
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  But apparently that's what people are saying on Reddit.
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  And then yesterday someone on Reddit wrote this.
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  I don't get this whole drama. They have a trademark.
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  She's not even applying for one. She should as American citizens
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  can file with USPTO without legal wraps.
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  Then whiners could file a protest but that would be the
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  way to go about it via social media beef when she is
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  infringing on their trademark. And then someone responded, if
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  they aren't enforcing their trademark against the 24 other
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  businesses named Chloe's Cookies, I have a feeling it's
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  not going to go well for them. So if you guys are in the legal
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  profession, let me know what you think about this because people
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  are of course, like largely on Chloe sex inside because she has
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  such a big following. She's very beloved.
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  I mean, we of course we see this and we don't like the idea of
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  businesses being litigious against individuals, even though
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  Chloe is actually a business herself, of course.
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  But I do also understand what a lot of people are saying, which
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  is like, well, they have the trademark and she's the one
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  that's like going on TV using their trademarked name.
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  So I don't know. What do you guys think about
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  this? OK, so the next story that I
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  have for you guys today is that Sophia Franklin has announced
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  she is releasing A memoir about Call Her Daddy and the entire
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  falling Out. So Sophia Franklin, former host
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  of Call Her Daddy announced she's writing a memoir titled
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  Daddy Issues, which will be released in November 2026.
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  Book will tell her side of the story about leaving the popular
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  podcast call her Daddy, which she Co founded with Alex Cooper
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  in 2018. And it will document the end or
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  like talk about the end of their friendship and their
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  professional relationship. So this is from the press
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  release quote coming November 1st.
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  Franklin's memoir Daddy Issues will delve not only into her
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  time on call her Daddy, but the emotional and physical result of
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  her fallout with Cooper, feelings of betrayal and
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  learning how to reinvent herself.
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  The decision to write the book was one I came to on my own, she
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  tells Rolling Stone. Six years ago, I was reeling
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  from an experience I didn't understand.
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  I needed to grow up and be free of ego as much as humanly
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  possible. OK, the cover of this book is
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  crazy, you guys. It's an old photo of Alex and
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  Sophia, and Alex's face looks like it's been ripped off the
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  cover. It's so shady.
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  I love that it's called daddy issues though.
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  And Sophia did say she thought about doing just like a baby
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  photo of her. But obviously the picture of her
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  and Alex, it really expresses what the book is going to be
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  about, I guess. So for anyone who's not fully
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  across what happened or maybe doesn't fully remember, because
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  it does feel like so long ago, let me give you a quick recap of
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  what happened with Call Her Daddy.
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  So Call Her Daddy was launched in 2018 independently and then I
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  think it was like a month of episodes in.
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  Like it was very, very soon after Barstool signed the
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  podcast. When Barstool signed them, they
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  also acquired the IP to the podcast.
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  The contract the girls were in was allegedly for like around a
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  $75,000 base salary for each of them, a cut of merch sales, and
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  some bonuses. However, very quickly the show
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  became Barstool's hero podcast. Like practically overnight.
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  The podcast had millions of listeners, it was their biggest
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  moneymaker, and during the show, Sophia started dating an older
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  TV executive who they refer to as Superman on the podcast.
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  According to Alex, Superman started putting things in
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  Sophia's ear about how the girls were being severely underpaid
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  and should start playing hardball with Barstool.
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  And so initially Alex agreed with her.
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  The girls were aligned at this time that they deserved more
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  money, and they started naming their podcast episodes
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  increasingly cryptic things about, like, freedom and being
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  prisoners. And the audience was kind of
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  like, what is going on? These episode names are really
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  weird. And then in early 2020, the show
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  stopped publishing altogether without notice.
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  And fans were like, OK, something is up.
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  When Alex and Sophia finally posted about her on Instagram,
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  they hinted that they couldn't talk about what was going on
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  behind the scenes. Yet it was then revealed that it
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  was a contract dispute with Barstool Sports over money and
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  ownership and they basically stopped recording in protest.
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  And it was Dave Portnoy who first talked about this
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  publicly. He went Dave partner, the
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  founder of Barstool. He went on their RSS feed, like
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  posted a podcast of him talking about what was happening with
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  their contract negotiations, like on their podcast RSS feed,
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  which I just feel like it's really unprofessional and weird,
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  but that's unsurprising from Dave Portnoy.
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  So eventually Dave offered what he described as a generous new
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  deal, higher pay, around $500,000 each of base salary,
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  bonuses, and the rights to the podcast if they agreed to stay
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  one more year. So according to this version of
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  events that we knew publicly, Alex accepted the offer because
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  she knew that the IP was the most important thing for them,
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  but Sophia did not because she still wanted more money.
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  This side of the story also alleged that Superman wasn't
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  just in Sophia's ear about their podcast, but he was also
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  shopping the podcast around to other companies while they were
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  still under contract, which of course upset Barstool Sports and
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  impacted these negotiations. So because Sophia was framed as
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  the one who was unwilling to negotiate, essentially, the
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  public sentiment around Sophia was really negative at first
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  because fans felt like she ended their podcast.
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  And Alex felt that same way it seemed.
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  And Dave's felt that same way it seemed.
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  Another part of this is Alex at the time shared her side of the
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  story. And her side of the story
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  included how she allegedly did a lot more work on the podcast
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  than Sophia. And also I think that meant that
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  Alex was getting paid slightly more.
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  Like Alex was editing the episode, she said, and also like
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  prepping it. And she basically framed Sophia
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  as like lazy and just kind of like coasting along.
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  Sophia then responded by saying she was willing to continue the
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  show but felt betrayed by Alex and that their disagreements
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  were misrepresented and she didn't like how she was publicly
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  talking about them. And then obviously they went
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  their separate ways. Alex stayed with Barstool for
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  one more year. She took that deal and she did
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  the podcast without Sophia. And then obviously she went to
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  Spotify and now she's at SiriusXM.
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  So, you know, Alex has had immense success.
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  Sophia launched her own podcast, Sophia with an F.
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  But I know she also went home to Utah for like 6 months, I think
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  because she really felt like she was being cancelled.
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  So I was in the Reddit threads this morning going back to years
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  to see how the situation went down among fans at the time.
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  Interestingly enough, initially fans were, like I said, almost
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  unanimously on Alex's side. I think because of the IP story,
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  like people understood what Alex meant by saying like IP is the
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  most important thing and the narrative around Sophie's work
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  ethic, and of course the fact that they felt like Sophia was
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  the reason for the podcast ending.
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  But as time went on, all within like a few months, sentiment
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  really shifted amongst the fan base.
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  So the first negative post about Alex was post on the subreddit
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  like the call of her daddy subreddit July 2020.
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  And from there sentiment around what happened shifted.
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  I think there was just enough time where Sophia went like
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  basically completely dark and I think people realized like, OK,
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  what are we quote UN quote canceling her for?
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  Like what are we mad at her for? Because she knew her worth and
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  wanted to keep negotiating. And I understand why Alex took
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  that deal. Like I understand why Alex
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  wanted to take that deal and why she took that deal.
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  And I also understand why Sophia was like $500,000.
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  When we're making your business, 10s of millions of dollars is
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  not enough. Like I understand both sides
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  there. But I think because the pylon
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  with Sophia was so extreme, Dave was publicly bashing her for a
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  long time, which is so unprofessional and horrible.
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  And you know, she was basically like, quote UN quote cancelled
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  for not agreeing to sign a deal and possibly being kind of like
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  a bad business partner to Alex. Like that's actually like none
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  of our business. Like that's not that's not a
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  reason for somebody to be bashed in the court of public opinion
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  by the fans. And then I think also seeing how
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  successful Alex became off the IP that they built together,
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  that rubbed fans the wrong way. Needless to say, people are
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  really excited about this book. It's not the first time that
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  Sophia's talked about this, but I've seen people online say that
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  her NDA is up now so she can open up more.
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  I don't know if that's true. I don't know if she had an NDA.
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  But regardless, I think this will be a lot juicier than
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  anything we've ever gotten from her in the past.
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  And she deserves to tell her side of the story.
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  Like, she's obviously still a successful influencer, but
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  nothing close to Alex Cooper. And, you know, probably nothing
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  close to what she could have been if she stayed with Alex
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  Cooper. All right.
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  And the last story that I have for you guys today is Olivia
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  Jade and Braxton Barrios are reportedly seeing each other.
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  So NFL player Braxton Barrios and influencer Olivia Jade were
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  seen together at the Palm Tree Festival, where onlookers say
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  they were looking flirty all night.
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  And then Dumois posted several photos of the two being really
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  cozy at the festival. And the tabloids are saying they
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  are like, flirting or seeing each other, hooking up,
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  whatever. So this comes off the back of
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  Braxton splitting from Alex Earl late last year and Olivia Jade
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  splitting from Jacob Allordy. Fans have also noted that the
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  timing is interesting because right before Alex and Braxton
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  announced their split, Alex and Olivia Jade reportedly posted
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  photos together on Instagram Stories.
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  So some people are trying to frame this as like, betrayal
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  from Olivia to Alex. But like I don't think the two
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  of them are friends. Also on Alex is I haven't
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  watched this. I don't watch her podcast like
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  her video podcast or whatever, but I saw she had Stassi
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  Schroeder on and I saw a clip on social where Stassi was like you
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  should date Jacob Lordy. And then Alex goes, I don't
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  think we would get along. So aside from this pair being
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  like somewhat relevant to us, I suppose I wanted to cover this
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  news because like I said, it was broken by Dumois with these
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  photos. But last week I actually forgot
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  to cover the story and I was going to and I just like
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  completely forgot because basically my phone is filled
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  with screenshots all week. I am just like on social media
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  when I see something that I want to cover on mini, I screenshot
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  it. But sometimes then I'm like add
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  an event and I take a million photos and I don't scroll up far
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  enough to see the screenshots that I took before the event or
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  whatever. So like it got lost in my camera
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  roll, OK, and I forgot to cover it.
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  But this kind of leads me into this.
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  Dumois posted AI generated photos last week of Lily Rose
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  Depp and a singer named Elia Benani.
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  So she posted photos saying Lily Rose Depp and singer Elia Benani
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  hanging out at a Los Angeles club.
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  And it is the reason why this reminded me of the story is
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  because the photos that she's posted of Braxton and Olivia are
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  so similar to these photos. Like they are similar lighting.
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  It's like similar vibes. They're like in a club together.
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  It looks like they're very close and like very intimate.
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  And I'm not saying that the photos of Braxton and Olivia are
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  AI, definitely don't think they are.
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  However, the fact that Jumoa posted this and then Lily Rose
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  Depp commented saying I've never heard of this person, never been
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  to this place. These are doctored video slash
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  images and super violating. So after receiving this comment,
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  Jumoa posted saying. I went to check the Alya girls
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  TikTok earlier when the rumors first started going around and I
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  noticed she posts AI videos of celebrities and acts like
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  they're real. Just strange behavior.
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  Now we've all been duped by AI and I know who's whole thing is
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  that she doesn't verify anything because it's all like tips and
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  blind items and stuff that sent in that she can't really verify
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  herself. But I think that this is an
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  example of how I believe media will have to change.
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  Like for the past 10 years, the name of the game in digital
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  media has been more and faster. Like I knew publishers here in
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  Australia who would hire juniors and expect them to write up to
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  like 10 articles a day. And this was literally before
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  generative AI. It would have been an impossible
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  job. Like content farm vibes.
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  Like that has been the name of the game in digital media.
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  And then of course, it's like more and faster culture in
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  digital media was made even worse by TikTok.
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  And I do think it's that culture that has helped with the
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  mainstream ifification and and the normalization of accounts
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  like Dumois and content that hinges on unverified claims like
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  blind items. So now with the rise of AI and
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  the risk of posting completely falsified photos, videos and
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  information like what happened here, I wonder if digital media
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  will be forced to slow down. I don't think it will happen
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  soon. Like, I don't think that will be
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  an overnight culture shift, but I do think it would be a good
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  thing overall for us. But I do wonder if we will see
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  that culture shift, especially for brands and creators and
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  independent journalists who want to be taken seriously.
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  I don't know. Let me know what you guys think
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  about that. Anyways, guys, thanks so much
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  for listening to Mini Scroll. I love you.
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  There will be a deep dive tomorrow and then I will talk to
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  you for Mini on Monday. Bye.