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The Biblical Seed War | Mondo Gonzales · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: Well, Mondo Gonzalez, officially, welcome to Certainty for Uncertain Times
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  Speaker 1: and officially on to the voices of a Certainty segment
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  Speaker 1: that I'm doing on this channel.
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  Speaker 2: I am elated today that you were here, and.
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  Speaker 1: Just as I said offline a few minutes ago, it
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  Speaker 1: is such an honor to have you here and to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about the topic that we are going to
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  Speaker 1: cover today, because it is such a topic that is
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  Speaker 1: gaining a lot of traction, which is really exciting, especially
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  Speaker 1: as we start to see all of these end times
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  Speaker 1: events unfold around us. So before we jump into this
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  Speaker 1: questionnaire that we've got today, I want you to introduce
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  Speaker 2: But go ahead, introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Take the floor. Well, the short story is, I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: raised a Christian. I got saved at eighteen in college
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  Speaker 3: and then really just night and day start a following Lord,
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  Speaker 3: reading the Bible and really have in my entire worldview
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  Speaker 3: modified by scripture. And later, about ten years later, after
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  Speaker 3: I got saved, the Lord allowed me to become a pastor,
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  Speaker 3: and I went to school at Moody Bible in Chicago,
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  Speaker 3: and I studied Jewish studies because I wanted to understand
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  Speaker 3: the Jewish background of the Bible, and because I realized
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  Speaker 3: that the most important thing for any Christian or especially
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  Speaker 3: a teacher is hermeneutics, is understanding how do we interpret
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  Speaker 3: the Bible, because there are so many various interpretations. And
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  Speaker 3: so I did that. I tell people that if Jesus
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  Speaker 3: was Chinese, I would have studied Chinese studies. But and
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  Speaker 3: so I learned Hebrew and Greek and other things there.
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  Speaker 3: And then I went on and got a degree in
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  Speaker 3: archaeology because I realized again another layer of context provided
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  Speaker 3: for the background of scripture. Again. To understand scripture better
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  Speaker 3: and to understand it properly is the archaeological context. So
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  Speaker 3: I did that and then been a pastor for a
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  Speaker 3: long time a few different churches across the country. And
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  Speaker 3: then a few years ago, three years ago actually, the
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  Speaker 3: Lord brought me here to prophecy watchers in Oklahoma City,
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  Speaker 3: where their calling and mission is simply just to point
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  Speaker 3: people to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to warn
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  Speaker 3: them and to help as many people as possible to
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  Speaker 3: escape the coming judgment, the Tribulation period seven through the
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  Speaker 3: Condaniel other things. But one of other things that's pretty
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  Speaker 3: cool about prophecy Watchers in which God was guiding me on,
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  Speaker 3: is that through the years, you know, I love I love,
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  Speaker 3: I love academia. I do. I've lived in that world
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  Speaker 3: long time. I was working on my PhD. Until I
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  Speaker 3: in Biblical hermeneutics before at Liberty University, and I was,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, a third of the way through the
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  Speaker 3: course work until and then I came here and I
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  Speaker 3: realized I need to take a little break and did
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  Speaker 3: a couple of other things. But one of the things
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  Speaker 3: throughout the years was I love conspiracy, I love interesting things,
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  Speaker 3: I love fringe topics. So that was it was a
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  Speaker 3: good fit when when the Lord was directing me through
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  Speaker 3: my life for the last thirty years and then to
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  Speaker 3: come to prophecy Watchers again. Prophecy Watchers extremely committed to
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  Speaker 3: the Gospel Christ, but also recognizing that there are some
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  Speaker 3: of these interesting things in the text that most often
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  Speaker 3: is not presented in the church. And so as a pastor, again,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't something I wouldn't necessarily do on a Sunday
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  Speaker 3: morning sermon. There's a lot of other things Christians need,
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  Speaker 3: certainly in Sunday school or a Bible studied, Like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you want to study some of the interesting things that
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  Speaker 3: are there that most that many times are not discussed.
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  Speaker 3: So how many prophetsy watchers is a perfect fit. And
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  Speaker 3: and and when we think about whether it's Genesis six
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  Speaker 3: or just Second Temple period literature, some of these other
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  Speaker 3: things or UFOs and aliens and other things like that,
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  Speaker 3: whatever that is. I think the goal is that when
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  Speaker 3: when when the world talks about these things as much
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  Speaker 3: as we possibly can, we say the Bible has the
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  Speaker 3: answer or at least the worldview for everything it does.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the key is many times people say, well, well,
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  Speaker 3: why does this matter? Well, it doesn't matter necessarily first
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  Speaker 3: role for your salvation.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, when we see, for example, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: end it here, when we see Congress having meetings and
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  Speaker 3: providing money for understanding UAPs and other things, and they say, well,
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  Speaker 3: does Christianity have anything to say about that? We say, yes, right,
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  Speaker 3: does it does?
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is is that we need to be
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  Speaker 1: out in the forefront because people are wanting answers and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to very dark places to get those answers,
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  Speaker 1: and it's leading them away from the Lord, when the
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  Speaker 1: very thing that has the answers would lead them to
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  Speaker 1: the actual truth and it would show them the entire
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  Speaker 1: Biblical mosaic. And this is what is so fascinating. And
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, I wasn't taught this stuff in the church.
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  Speaker 1: I woke up to this stuff, you know, in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty when the world changed and time has been all
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  Speaker 1: relative ever since, and I started diving into and going,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the things happening outside my window are
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  Speaker 1: aligning with the Bible. And then what is all this nonsense?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, before when people talk about aliens and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I would be like, Oh, that's not real.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not real.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have an answer for it. That was the
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  Speaker 1: answer I gave. And what terrible answer it was because
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  Speaker 1: it's not accurate. So what I want to do today,
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  Speaker 1: and I love that we are talking about this topic
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  Speaker 1: because it is, like I said, it's so fascinating, is
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  Speaker 1: I want to dive into who the nephylene were, what
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  Speaker 1: is Genesis six?
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  Speaker 2: What is this seed war?
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  Speaker 1: And tie all of this together for people who are
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  Speaker 1: really trying to figure this out. So the first question
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  Speaker 1: that I have for you is can you start by
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  Speaker 1: explaining who the nephilene are and a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: Genesis six? So, in other words, were they the offspring
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  Speaker 1: of fallen angels? How did this whole narrative go down?
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  Speaker 1: And what is the narrative?
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  Speaker 3: Is it okay if I started Genesis three.
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  Speaker 2: Yes that yes, you can't. You can't. I'll make that question.
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  Speaker 3: We'll move it up a little bit, because again, the
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  Speaker 3: uh my world, you know, not only again in in academia,
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  Speaker 3: but just as a pastor teaching every week, you know,
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  Speaker 3: multiple times when you're teaching a text, the keyword and
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  Speaker 3: even the youth group always been the youth best forever.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, we know, we know. Context context,
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  Speaker 3: context Like yes, yeah, okay, So the context of Genesis
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  Speaker 3: six begins with Genesis three. Yes, and so the because
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of history there that happens in just
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  Speaker 3: a few short chapters. And so it's interesting too that
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  Speaker 3: if you just if anybody just jumps into Genesis six,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna. Even scholars would be like, they have to
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  Speaker 3: come to the point of going, what what is what
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  Speaker 3: was Moses? If Moses is the writer, which I traditionally
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  Speaker 3: I think he is, but the uh, why did he
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  Speaker 3: just bring this out of nowhere? It's he just brought
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  Speaker 3: this out of nowhere, and then he's assuming a certain
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  Speaker 3: level of understanding by his audience as it relates to
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  Speaker 3: the sons of God that term or even the nepheline themselves,
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  Speaker 3: which appear in Genesis six four. So but if we
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  Speaker 3: go back to Genesis three, what we see in just
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  Speaker 3: a short section of scripture again that covers one thousand
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  Speaker 3: at least sixteen hundred years some depending on your chronology,
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  Speaker 3: two thousand years is you see this figure the Hebrew
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  Speaker 3: words and aha, it's the idea of a shining one,
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  Speaker 3: a serpentine figure. He shows up there. God allows it.
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  Speaker 3: God sets up this again. God gonna just flicked them away.
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  Speaker 3: God could have set up a barrier. God could have
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  Speaker 3: done a lot of things, but he chose not to.
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  Speaker 3: He allows the Nahash to show up and to attempt
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  Speaker 3: to challenge to test Adam and Eve specifically, He appropriated
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  Speaker 3: it through even at first and what you see there
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  Speaker 3: is God's response. So obviously we know in the story
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  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve chose wrongly. And then when God confronts
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  Speaker 3: each of them, when he confronts Satan or which we
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  Speaker 3: would believe is Satan or the serpent, there he says
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  Speaker 3: specifically that I'm going to cause enmity between you and
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  Speaker 3: the woman. This is three fifteen. And so there you have. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you have the woman now, which is interesting. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: say it was the man, but he says between your seed,
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  Speaker 3: the woman's seed, and then the seed of the serpent,
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  Speaker 3: and so what you have there and many people And
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  Speaker 3: this is the key, and this is the debate all
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  Speaker 3: the time is health. Are things literal? Are they figurative?
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  Speaker 3: Are they allegorical? And I think there's no reason to
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  Speaker 3: put on the text this is anything but a narrative.
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  Speaker 3: It's a straightfor a narrative. There's a lot there's been
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  Speaker 3: a lot of linguistic studies showing there's a big difference
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  Speaker 3: how Hebrew narrative works rather than let's say Hebrew poetry.
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  Speaker 3: If you're looking at something alcorcle and people can look
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  Speaker 3: that up. But there was a great study done that
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  Speaker 3: compared the Hebrew verbs of Genesis really one and two
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  Speaker 3: versus Psalm one oh four, which is a creation of hymn.
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  Speaker 3: And it's clearly different. And so to say that Genesis
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  Speaker 3: three or Genesis one and two is allegorical is just
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  Speaker 3: simply not based on linguistics. So sorry to say that
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  Speaker 3: for anybody. But the point thing is this the key
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  Speaker 3: there is God is making this this juxtaposition between the seed,
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  Speaker 3: the zerra of the serpent, and the zerra of the woman. Well,
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  Speaker 3: most scholars would recognize clearly that the zerah of the
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  Speaker 3: woman is referring to the future Messianic person, the Messiah figure.
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  Speaker 3: That this is the proto evangelium. This is the first
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  Speaker 3: time that you get a hint of the Gospel. And
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  Speaker 3: so she understood that two in Genesis four that from her,
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  Speaker 3: from her physical genetics, would come forth this future Messianic figure,
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  Speaker 3: which would what would crush the head of the serpent,
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  Speaker 3: The seed of the serpent would bruise this figure's heel.
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  Speaker 3: So now you have the woman and Satan. The seed
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  Speaker 3: of the woman is what we call the Messiah Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: and the seed of Satan is most likely some level
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  Speaker 3: of the anti Christ figure. Okay, in the future, and
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  Speaker 3: that becomes important when we talk about eschatology. But nevertheless,
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  Speaker 3: again this is the big picture, This is the ten
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  Speaker 3: thousand foot view, in that Moses brings us through God
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  Speaker 3: right there in the beginning this war. This is why
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  Speaker 3: people call it the seed seed because you have the
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  Speaker 3: two seeds being mentioned. One is the physical seed present
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus. And most likely, if we're going to be consistent,
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  Speaker 3: why would we just all of a sudden make that
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  Speaker 3: the nature the seed of the serpent being figured it.
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  Speaker 3: That would be really odd to do that. And within
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  Speaker 3: the same verse. So the seed war has begun here
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  Speaker 3: of this battle of you have a you have a supernatural.
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  Speaker 3: Satan was a supernatural. He intervened into the life of
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  Speaker 3: humanity supernaturally. He showed up. And so when you come
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  Speaker 3: to the rest of Genesis, when you go to the
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  Speaker 3: into Genesis four, you have certainly canaan Abel, and you
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  Speaker 3: have the lines there are What I mean is you
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  Speaker 3: have them fighting and able being killed, and then you
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  Speaker 3: have some other genetic markers and genealogical lines. Getting into
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  Speaker 3: Genesis five, we see there the line of Adam all
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  Speaker 3: the way to Noah. So then when you get to
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  Speaker 3: Genesis six. Again, what right out of the gate we
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  Speaker 3: see Moses writing that, hey, by the way, I just
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  Speaker 3: gave you, I just gave you some history. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of things that happened in Genesis four in the sense
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  Speaker 3: of Cain, the story of Cain. Let me just step
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  Speaker 3: back for a minute, because this is important. Yeah, Cain
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  Speaker 3: goes out and he finds a woman, and people say, well, hey,
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  Speaker 3: where did she come from? Well, don't assume that we're
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  Speaker 3: having this very tight chronology that as soon as Adam
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  Speaker 3: and he fell, they were kicked out of the garden,
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  Speaker 3: and she has a child and she has Caine enable
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  Speaker 3: there in Genesis four, that this is somehow descriptive in
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  Speaker 3: a sequence of everything that has happened. We know Genesis five,
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  Speaker 3: verse four that Adam and Eve have many sons and daughters.
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  Speaker 3: And so by the time the way that so often
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  Speaker 3: we can read we read Genesis form were like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: the next thing happened, and maybe Cain was like fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years old and Abel was maybe twelve, and so you
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  Speaker 3: have these two boys. I don't think that's the case
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  Speaker 3: at all. You could have centuries that gone by and
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  Speaker 3: in Genesis four, and in fact, I think It's pretty
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  Speaker 3: obvious that this is the case because as Caine goes
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  Speaker 3: out and he kills his brother. Subsequently, later he goes
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  Speaker 3: out and he's worried about others killing him. Well, who
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  Speaker 3: are these others? He's on a separate race. These are
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  Speaker 3: all descendants of Adam and Eve. And so you had
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  Speaker 3: time centuries I think that went by where you had
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  Speaker 3: these other civilizations or cities or others growing up. So
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  Speaker 3: ultimately Caine finds one of his nieces, one of his sisters.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you're living a long time, what's the
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  Speaker 3: birth what's the birth range of a woman who's living
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred years?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I mean she's a long time, you know, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And multiply that out just in a few generations you
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  Speaker 3: would have hundreds and hundreds of people. So when we
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  Speaker 3: get to Genesis six, you have fifteen hundred years to
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  Speaker 3: two thousand years of history that has already taken place.
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  Speaker 3: The humanity has multiplied. And that's exactly what the text says,
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  Speaker 3: is that by the way you had when the children
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  Speaker 3: of men, when humanity began to multiply. And maybe what
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  Speaker 3: we should do is, are you willing to read Genesis six?
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  Speaker 2: I have it open, Yeah, I have it opened.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, because we can start, people can get a
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  Speaker 5: nice flavor for the flow here of what it's saying,
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  Speaker 5: and then we can we can zero in on on
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  Speaker 5: Genesis six four absolutely okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, and this is just the NIV translation just so
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  Speaker 2: people know.
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  Speaker 1: But when human beings began to increase in number on
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  Speaker 1: the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons
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  Speaker 1: of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: and they married any of them that they chose. Then
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  Speaker 1: the Lord said, my spirit will not contend with humans forever,
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  Speaker 1: for they are mortal. Their days will be one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty years. The nepheline were on the earth in
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  Speaker 1: those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God
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  Speaker 1: went to the daughters of humans and had children by them,
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  Speaker 1: they were the heroes of old, men of renowned.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want me to keep going, Well.
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  Speaker 3: That's yeah, go go to verse five.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human
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  Speaker 2: race had become on the earth, and that every inclination
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  Speaker 2: of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil
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  Speaker 2: at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if we we see several things here in
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  Speaker 3: the passage where God Moses is bringing up the bene
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  Speaker 3: Elohem the sons of God very specific phrase. We can
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  Speaker 3: talk about that, but right here at the beginning, he
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  Speaker 3: talks about the daughters of Adam, the daughters of humanity,
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  Speaker 3: and then he contrasts the daughters of humanity being beautiful
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  Speaker 3: with these sons of God figure so in in in
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  Speaker 3: Old Testament. My master's degree is an Old Testament, and
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I studied certainly a lot of Old
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  Speaker 3: Testament theology and archaeology and other things. But you see
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  Speaker 3: very you see various views on Genesis six, and I
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  Speaker 3: would say that the predominant view is the scholars, the
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  Speaker 3: Hebrew scholars. They know that this isn't referring to humans
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  Speaker 3: in the sense of the sons of that are not humans,
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  Speaker 3: but that some of the theories are that I'll just give
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  Speaker 3: them to you. One of them will we'll talk about
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  Speaker 3: the Sethites in a minute. But one of them is that, oh,
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  Speaker 3: these are just humans that were that went outside of
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  Speaker 3: their of their social status. That these uh, these these
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  Speaker 3: these sons of God were were human rulers or judges
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  Speaker 3: that looked at the daughters of humanity and married outside
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  Speaker 3: their social customs. Okay, well that's.
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  Speaker 2: I have not actually heard that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, that's that's one of the views.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, yeah, okay, go ahead. It doesn't it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't jive. It definitely does not know.
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  Speaker 3: It does not trying, because I get it. If you
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  Speaker 3: go to the text and you you try to find
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  Speaker 3: something that is a non supernatural view, you're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: creative and you're gonna try to look for things in
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  Speaker 3: the Mesopotamian context, the Near Eastern context. The third another
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  Speaker 3: view is that these are these are human dynastic rulers,
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  Speaker 3: and so these are kings that are taking on for
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  Speaker 3: themselves the label as being a son of God, which
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  Speaker 3: was very typical Let's say in the time of the
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  Speaker 3: Egyptians in Pharaoh. The pharaoh always considered himself as to
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  Speaker 3: be a son of God. And so what they're doing
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  Speaker 3: that the scholars are doing, is saying, oh, well, here
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  Speaker 3: it is. This is this is a human, just a
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  Speaker 3: human taking on the claim or the title of a
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  Speaker 3: son of God. But then you say, but he's looking
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  Speaker 3: these figures are looking at the daughters of humanity. Well
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  Speaker 3: that seems odd. Why why daughters of humanity that seems
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  Speaker 3: again really strange. These are just if they're human, but
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  Speaker 3: they're making a title that they don't deserve as being God.
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  Speaker 3: These are several that they're at his equal level, so
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't really jive as well. Another view, which is
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  Speaker 3: probably the most common today is that this is the
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  Speaker 3: godly line of Seth and he the godly line of
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  Speaker 3: Seth is marrying the daughters of Cain and so, but
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't say Kane and so there's problems with this. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you a few. I'll give you a few
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  Speaker 3: problems with the Seth I view because this this the
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  Speaker 3: reason why is this is important Because if when you
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  Speaker 3: go out and talk to somebody they go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we know a Genesis six, this is the this is
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the god the land of Seth marrying that the ungodly
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: daughters of Caine, you go, Okay, did you learn that
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: from somebody or did you read the text and get
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: that yourself? Right?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, because when you just read this
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: without any sort of uh presuppositions, you're not going to
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: walk away with this at all. Now I'm not saying
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: that you're going to walk away with complete understanding just
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: at face value. But first of all, it doesn't the
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the when the sons of God there, they're not called Sethite.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: The words the Seth, the Sethites don't appear anywhere in here.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: The word came as it relates to Cain's daughters don't
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: appear anywhere in here.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Now you have to.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Inject that into the text that you're going to go
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: with that as an explanation for this passage, yep.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: And the what often they will say as well, if
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: you look at the context of Genesis five and Genesis four.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: You see in Genesis five the line of Seth going
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: down all the way to Noah. That's true, I don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: disagree with that. You see the line of Cain appearing
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: in Genesis four, that is true, very clear. But when
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: you come to Genesis six, the does do those things
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: flow directly in with any sort of reasonability? And the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: answer is no. Secondly, the there's a lot of assumptions there,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: since when are uh spirit Since when does spirituality become
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: determined through genetic lines? So in this case, oh well,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the sons of God, the godly line is only the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: children of Seth, and the wicked are only the line
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: of kine. Yeah, when did when did we? Does any
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: theologiic today think that spirituality is determined by genetic lines?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: That would be really problematic in a whole bunch of
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: other ways.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, that of doctrines we have would.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It would be irrecoverable, honestly if someone really was depressed that,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: especially with the New Testament understanding that we have absolutely
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: because John one twelve says very clear we didn't become
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: born again through genetic lines or through blood. The other thing, too,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: is what you see there is an emphasis in Genesis
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: sixty four on the Nephelene. These these these men of renown,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: these people of renown from ancient times is literally what
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: it says. We don't we shouldn't get stuck on the
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: word men necessarily, even though we could talk about that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: But they're they're they're they're male, they're from they're from
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: ancient times. They had a reputation, they were men of name.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Is really literally what it says. So okay, But secondly,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: so you have well that these nepheline the word appears
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: in numbers thirteen thirty three as being a reference to
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: these these giants, these figure, these these super these these
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: giant people. Okay, well again, if we go back to well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: it's it's the line of Seth and the line of Cain.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Since when does spiritual incompatibility create physical characteristics such as giantism.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: That's that's nowhere to be found. That the unbeliever and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: a believer getting to marry, Now you're gonna have something
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: strange genetically that doesn't fit at all. The again, the
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: label of only the women of Caine being wicked doesn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't say anything about them wicked only the only description
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: gives us that they're beautiful. Okay, that that's a that's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a marker. The marital prohibitions of of between believers and unbelievers.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: There's no arital prohibitions given in the first chapters. That
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: hasn't come until later under the law. We'll also say
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: two is it's interesting here that again linguistically speaking, that
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the term bene ha elohem sons of God literally sons
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: of the God. It's a very specific phrase. If anybody
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: has computer software. I mean, it's really nice because my
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: computer software I just highlight the phrase in Hebrew, right click,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and I say search, search for the phrase. It just
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: whips every place that appears and when it appears again
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Genesis six two, Genesis six four, and then also in
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Job one two and Joe thirty eight. Okay, so those
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: are the only places that it appears. Well, in the
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Book of Job, the scholars there recognized quite clearly that
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: this is referring to some sort of group of supernatural beings.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Call them angels. The Old Testament does not call them angels,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that's very clear. The New Testament does in Second Peter
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: two four in June six, but the Hebrew is not.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: So all we know is that you have a different
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you have this group, this this this non human group.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Now that's interesting to me if we understand, and I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: not saying either, let me say this that it's wise
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: at times to take other writings. Uh let's say the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Book of Job, how it uses a certain Hebrew word
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and force it back on another writer. Okay, that's that's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: but we can look for consistency. But we're not saying
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: it's forced. But what do we see here in Genesis
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: six two, we see a contrast between two groups. One
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: is the sons of God and the others is the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: daughters of humanity. Now, if you just let it speak
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: for itself, you go, well, why the daughters of humanity?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Why would it say that? Why doesn't say the daughters
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: have came? Because what it's doing here, what Moses is
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: saying is, hey, everyone, what I'm telling you right now
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: is that you have a group of non human beings
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: looking at a female contingent or the female contingent of
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a different race, which is humans. So now you have
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: these two groups, this supernatural non human group looking at
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: human women and seeing that they're beautiful. Now let me
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: bring another thing here too, which is context. And this
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: happens to be the theological context in that oftentimes in
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: our brains we're reading Genesis one through five or one
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: through six, and we import ourselves into the time of
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the flood. Yep, that's reasonable.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I mean I want to be in there, right, Yeah, definitely.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Nothing like being in a good story, that is for sure. Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Oftentimes what we can forget is understanding the time of
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the story versus the writing down of the story. Okay,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: So when we think about Moses, Moses is writing this roughly,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: let's just for this fourteen hundred BC. Okay, Well, depending
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: on which chronology you have, your biblical chronology, if you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: have the Hebrew chronology, then roughly the humanity, the creation
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: was in four thousand BC. If you have this septuagent chronology, uh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: it was in fifty five hundred BC. So nevertheless, if
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you're in fourteen hundred BC, the fourteen hundred BC, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: what is that third twenty five hundred years, twenty six
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: hundred years.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: We'll trust your math. Math's not my strong suit. Let's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: say that a calculator.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: That's good. So we've gotty six hundred years. If you're
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in if you're in fifty five hundred BC, not now,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you're you're way way beyond. You're talking, you know, thirty
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: five hundred years after the fact. So nevertheless, let's put
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: it in context. Okay, Moses is bringing the Israelites around,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and this is where numbers thirteen thirty three comes in.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: He's bringing them around. We could talk about where he's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: coming from. He's coming from the basically the Sinai Peninsula
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: down below. He's coming up into the land and as
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: we know, he sends out the twelve spies. Yes, in
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the Book of Numbers, Yep, they go in numbers thirteen
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and they see giants in the land. They see the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: nephylene there. That they are like grasshoppers, is the report.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: So they come back and they're all freaked out and
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: they're scared. They're like, oh wow, there's no way we
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: can do it. There's fortifications everywhere. And as they come
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: to come back to report to Moses and the people,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: they bring a negative report. And this is where they say,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: not only that, but the nephylene there, the sons of
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the Anik, the sons of Anik, the anechein which come
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: from the nephilene, are there. Do you have it? Yeah?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: It read verse thirty numbers thirteen, thirty two and thirty three.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, and they spread among the Israelit it's a bad
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: report about the land they had explored. They said, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: land we explored devours those living in it. All the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: people we saw there are of great size. We saw
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the nepheline there, and then it has a parentheses, the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: descendants of Anna come from the nephilene. We seemed like
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. So here you have this bad report, and nobody
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: questions that they're lying. Some people say, well, they were lying,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: though this isn't a true report, and you.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Go, well, they seem pretty convinced, yes.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Because Caleb, Caleb and Joshua they were like, they didn't say, no,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: they're not tall. What are you talking about? Right? He said,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: who cares if they're on our side?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So it's very clear from the context that this is
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: not a false it's a false or erroneous report. Yep,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it was a bad report because again Joshua and Caleb
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: responded with faith. Well, so we have the now think
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: about this. Okay, so we don't know exactly when Moses
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: was Genesis, but what my thinking is is that Moses
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: wrote Genesis after this event because they're they're talking about
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the nephileine. It's in there, It's in their culture, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: they knew.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not worth explaining because everybody knows this.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows exactly exactly when he is writing Genesis, he's
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: he brings up again, he writes Genesis one through five, yep,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: and he brings up, hey, the nephyleme, and people are going,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: who are the nephilene?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: They just saw them there.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: So this is why you have the two instances of
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: nephiline appearing in Genesis again, six' four and also numbers
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: thirteenth thirty, Three so no explanation is needed because they would.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Know so when you think about the theological or even
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the historical, context it makes great sense That moses would
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: just write what he wrote without any sort of. Explanation
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and so when we come back to, that we have
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: this in their mind that, oh, yeah we know the.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Nepheline they're. Tall and so When moses then is Writing genesis,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: six he is providing to The israelites the true narrative
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: history of what we understand is there's a lot of
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: myths In mesopotamians Who Marian. Akkadian you, know all the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: literature going eve Into greek literature about divine semi divine
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: beings or divine, beings non human beings coming down and
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: mating with human. Women it's nothing. New it was in
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the culture that The jewish people had learned this In,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: egypt no doubt they Remember abraham was A. Mesopotamian josh
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: twenty four tells us. This, okay he was a Wandering,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: aramian which is up in that. Area so when when
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: he arrives or when they, lived they grew up with
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: all these. Stories they go To, egypt they spend centuries
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: there and then When moses comes along and they come
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: out and he, provides he provides a true version of what,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: happened and as it relates to the sons Of god
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: coming down and desiring human. Women and so let me
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: let me bring up one other thing, here because one
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: of the other questions that comes up often and is
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: people are bringing In matthew twenty, two verse, thirty Where
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: jesus makes the comment that at the time of the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: future restoration, resurrection that humanity will become like the. Angels,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: yes me to read. It let's read. It let's just read,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: it because people need to be very careful at their
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: reading and in imposing the theological. Truth this is. True jesus,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: said it is, true but back On genesis six or
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: other ideas without reading. Carefully so let's hear.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It, yeah So matthew twenty three or. Thirty, okay at the,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Marriage they will be like the angels in. Heaven AND
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: i think people.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Take this first to, say, like, well the angels couldn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: have had, Sex they just couldn't have done, That like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that's what they're you know they weren't allowed to do.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: That that's not what it. Says that's not what it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Says, no quite clearly that they would be like the
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: angels in. Heaven, yes and so what this is important,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: too because we don't want to miss and we'll get
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: To i'm going to make a note. Here we'll get
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: to the understanding of what The New testament writers in
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the Early church and even The jewish people believed at
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the time of how they interpreted. This but, yeah the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: whole point of What jesus said In matthew twenty to
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: thirty is that the angels in heaven didn't participate in
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: marriage because that was what was commanded of. Them and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: when we come to Tewod peter, two verse four Or jude,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: six both of the points there is about the fact
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: that you had angels who rebelled against the heavenly decree
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: that they were not allowed to participate in. Marriage but
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: they rebelled and they, left especially they left their proper,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: domain they left their habitation to come down and sin
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: against the decrees Of. God, so, yes the angels in,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: heaven it's true they stayed, faithful but others did. Not
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: so to Use matthew twenty two thirty is not to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: read the text or to care about the specifics That jesus.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Said the angels in heaven don't do, this but others
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: left heaven to come, down left their. Domain so that
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: first has no application at all on whether it's possible
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: for angels to take on human. Form we know In genesis,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: nineteen or we go To genesis eighteen as an, example
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: two angels showed up with The. Lord they sit, down
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: they're there With, abraham they're making a, meal they're. Eating
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: and then those two angels go on In genesis nineteen
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: To sodom And gomorah and, there and of course we
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: know the story. There they, tried they were attempted to
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: cost to be assaulted by the homosexual behavior within Uh,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: sodom and the angels just blinded, them and they still kept.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Coming but later they go and they Grab lot and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: his daughters by the, hand drag him out of town and, say,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: listen we cannot bring judgment until we get you out of.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Here but they were, physical they showed, up they. Ate
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: so the idea of angels only being, spiritual and there's
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: a passage In hebrews one fourteen which talks about them being,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: spirits WHICH i think if people do research on, that
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: they'll see that it's making no specific instruction or description
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: about the ontology of, angels about the makeup of angels
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Because i'm, physical you're, physical, yes and yet we still
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: have a. Spirit and so just because we are a
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: spirit doesn't automatically mean that we're we can't be physical
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: or corporeal to some. Degree so it doesn't.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: To that that we can entertain, angels, right and then
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: we may not even be. Aware so that, also that's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that's a very big implication there as, well that they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: can take on our.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Form, yeah, absolutely in many. Ways it's interesting, too AND
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: i love challenging people's perspectives and it's not. Heresy is
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: they can take on our form or they maybe they
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: already are physical in any. WAYS i, mean to, me
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: that's The. Bible it's, like, okay when they came down
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: In genesis eighteen and they eight did they then go
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: back to being a spiritual invisible dust or? Cloud we
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: don't really. Know The bible doesn't give us all the,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: answers BUT i don't think he can be definitively proved
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: that they're not physical at. All in, fact there's many
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: other things that we could say about, it but that'd
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: be a. Digression but, Nevertheless matthew twenty two to thirty
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: doesn't cannot be used to weigh in on whether these
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: angels have the. Ability so even if you don't believe they're,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: physical find they took on human physical form to such
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: a degree as you Mentioned hebrews starteen, two we can
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: entertain them. Unaware they're walking, around they're looking like, us
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: acting like. Us And i'll just say this that when
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: you see when the angel showed up unaware and they're
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: sitting there and they have ear, lobes and they have
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: noses and their fingers not being too, graphic but could
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: they have under other appendages as well that that that males.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Have there's no reason.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: To assume, otherwise, right, yeah exactly it was through going
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to be, yep, no, yeah, totally but think it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Through that this is this is certainly. Possible and at
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the end of the, day we're feeling we're the theologizing
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: here in the sense of, look what does the text, say?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Right the text says that these sons Of, god which
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: clearly are angels in The book Of, job came down
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and looked at another, species human, women and saw that
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: they were, beautiful and came down and took them for
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: certain reasons to have. Children and so this is what
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Two peter, says that these angels sinned in this. Way.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Jude in, fact let's go to can we go To? Jude, Yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: look this is important, too Because jude has these markers
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: in The greek what's In english, too but very clearly
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: in Agree, jude go To jude. Six jude is talking
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: about what's the. Context he's talking about false. Teachers, yeah
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: talking about the, judgment the sure judgment against these these
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: false teachers that were creeping into the church in his.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Day but he, says, hey these these these teachers are
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: going to be. JUDGED i promise you that there's no
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: lot and for Example jude.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Six, Okay jude, Six so we have and the angels
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: who did not keep their positions of authority but abandon
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: their proper. Dwelling key part, there these he has kept in,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: darkness bound with everlasting change for judgment on the great.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Day, Okay so we're gonna keep going Here june. Seven
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: but he, says, hey they abandoned we have we mentioned that. Earlier,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: yeah of their two areas they're going to be. Judged
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and then he, says verse, seven what's the? Key what's
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the first? Thing in verse?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Seven in a similar, Way, Socia, yes smil.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: In a similar. Way so he's, like What i'm going
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: to talk about in verse seven now is going to
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: be similar to what happened with the.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Angels, okay in a similar, Way sodom And gomorra and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Perversion they serve as an example of those who suffer
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the punishment of eternal.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Fire, okay so, there what was the sin of Son gomora?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Here sexual? Immorality, well he's, saying, hey by the, way
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: what you see happen In, sodom the sexual immorality there
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: is the similar thing that the angels. Did, yes you're,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: like well, wait what Sexual, yes it was a sexual
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: deviation From god's standard. Order and this is Why jude
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: brings it up and and and THE niv misses a.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Thing yes it. Does, okay it's, okay but there's two
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: markers there that show similarity and comparison with what. Happened
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the sin Of sodom is the same sin that happened
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: with the angel In genesis. Six there's a similarity. There
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: it was a sexual. Sin it was a going against
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: strange fleshy, okay because certainly we know in In god's,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: design a man is not supposed to be with a. Man,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Uh and that's that's, strange that's a very that's a
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: deviation From god's standard order of of a male and. Female,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: well in the same, way similar is what he. Says
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the angels sinned in the same deviant way by going
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: against the natural. Order in this, case it was a species.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Limit, yes their natural order was to stay in their.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Realm, yes human we have a gender limitation between the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: genders of what's allowed in the in the sexual. Context
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: but in a similar. Way it didn't, identical but in
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: a similar, way the angels left their their, species their,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: domain their, authority came down and had sexual deviant relations
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: with something that they were not supposed to, do which
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: was A, again it was a it was an aberration
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Against god's. Commandments that's crystal. Clear with and we didn't
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: even go to Second, peter it doesn't. Matter they're talking
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: about this. Context so when we when we read in
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: right there at the, beginning the sons Of god saw
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: that the daughters of. Men you have two various species, here,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: yes a human and a non, human and they came
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: down and they broke, over they crossed over those lines
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: That god had, said, yep and they violated them, sexually
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: which is exactly what the text. Says.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah so, okay so we kind of defined that for.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: People what that what this whole interaction, was and how
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: this was just a huge. Violation so out of, that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: out of that piece of, history biblical history that produced the. Nepheline,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know if everybody understands that the nepheline
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: is the offspring of that. Encounter so with, that how
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: does knowing that we have this offspring of The nephelene
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: relate back To genesis three and the seed, work because
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: these two things tie together and it's a very amazing
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: picture when you see the whole thing what you have.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Here and before Just i'll answer that a, second I'd
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: i'll just remind ME i won't go through all the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: DETAILS i think you'll have or you will have in
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: THE i wrote an article on, this you will have.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: That hopefully people can get the article where if they
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: want to go in the, details but the details being
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: that this isn't some new.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Teaching, no, yeah you want to talk about, that how
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: like tradition and all of.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: That, yes we'll talk about that. Later so let's go
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: back to the main question That genesis. Three there you
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: have the seed Of. Satan, yep you have the seed
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: of the. Woman so what you have there is this
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: idea of a physical offspring of this supernatural, being in
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: this Case. Satan so when we come To genesis, six
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: what we see there is this this plan To we
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: don't know all the, motives you, know we don't know
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: the motives of why necessarily this. Happened what we know
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: is that it, did at least. Biblically we do have
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: some motives that are mentioned in The book Of First,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: enoch which we know is not, scripture but it does
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: provide an interesting background because why, well we know In
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: jude fourteen he quotes he Quotes First enoch, one verse.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Nine we also know that when When jude And peter
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: both talk about that they're in chains of darkness for
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: gloom and the day of judgment and the that comes
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent from The book Of. Enoch you'll find
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: that nowhere in any other literature except The book Of,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: enoch and they use they take out phrases from the
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and the themes from The book Of enoch about this,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: episode and they import them right into. Scripture so this
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: idea that you Second peter two, four that they're In,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: tartarus in the in the again in chains and darkness
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and gloom until the coming of The, jay straight out
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: of The book Of. Enoch so what we know is
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: that when we see the, motive all we know is
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: This genesis six is describing that a group of, angels
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: a group Of jude calls them. Angels peter calls them.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Angels The Old testament, does and that's WHY i got stuck,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: there because they don't call them, angels but later The
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: New testament. Does so this group of angels comes down
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and is now interacting and coming in to create these,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: offspring which are half human and half non human in this,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: sense half. Angelic if you want to say that these
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: these were, huge we've read numbers tall. Giant we can
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: talk about some of the other tribes which are In
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: deuteronomy chapter two and. Three they're they're tall as, well
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: very well. Known they're described as being. Tall but What
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: genesis six, reveals is that what you see as a
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: prophecy of genetic manipulation or a physical offspring Of satan
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: In genesis three now is taking some. Level it's not.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: IDENTICAL i don't say it's a complete, fulfillment some level
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: of fulfillment In genesis six where these other other rebels
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: come down and begin to infiltrate. Humanity and let me
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: say it this. WAY i also don't think that these,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: guys these these these fallen, angels these rebellious angels that came,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: down we're going around raping.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Women oh, YEAH i don't take that up either from the.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Text, no WHAT i imagine this is, now this Is
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: mono going into speculation. World, okay, YES i imagine this is.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Conjecture is la la La. Marvella that's his famous. Frame
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: this is is, conjecture.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Conjecture this very you, KNOW I i race three, Daughters
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: SO i understand young daughters looking at handsome. Men, Okay
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: so they go out and all of a, sudden this
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: handsome guy comes knocking coming down the walkway of the
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: path to your, house and the daughters are out, there, Going,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: dad there's somebody. Coming oh, wow look at. It he's
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: he's good, looking and they're looking to be. Married and
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: so the guy comes in in his suave, way talks
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to the father and, says, yeah here you got. Daughters,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: YES i, do, Well i'd like to marry one of.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Them and he looks over and the daughters are. Like
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: so they go, out they make a little arrangement and he, says,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: look you give me one of your daughters And i'll
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: give you. Knowledge i'll give you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: INFORMATION i love that you're trying this In, Yeah i'll.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Give you forbidden things that are not. Allowed i'll make you.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Wealthy and so we do see in The book of
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: First enak again no scripture is the description of how
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: they provided forbidden, knowledge and this is one of the
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: reasons Why god provided a harsh judgment on. Them and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: so there's no doubt even if somebody doesn't believe in
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: any of, that there there's no doubt that we have
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the doctrines of demons that are, later of course the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: first seventy. Four but the idea that that wrong information
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: would come from the other, side whatever evil realm you
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: want to, discuss to, me it's it makes very. Much
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: it makes much sense that they came down and it
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: says they took for themselves women human women married them
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to such a, degree and then they had children through,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: them and the children were The. Nephelene and so another
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: thing too here is is nephelene does not mean fallen.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: ONES i think that's that's just so it's repeated so,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: often and if you look at the linguistics and the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: morphology of The hebrew, Word Michael high actually does a
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: really good. Job and to go to his, website he's
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: got an article on this that later it. Comes we
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: know The arameic came, later but that the scribes basically
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: imported A i don't even really know what the Original
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: hebrew word could have, been but we see that it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: clearly it doesn't fit the verb the, fall but it
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: does fit the idea of the of The aramaic word meaning,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: giant which makes perfect sense that they would maybe later
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: import an ara make word in there that fits. Great
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: but we do know they were, giant as we saw
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: in number thirteen thirty. Three it describes them not In genesis.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Six so as you see the overall, story what you
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: have then is that the humanity was becoming polluted now
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: and there was battles going, on and it doesn't say
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: That genesis. Six i'm not saying. That, again we're getting
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: this snapshot of history. Here all we know is That
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: god judged judge the earth with a flood and wipe
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: them all out and drown them. All so we don't
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: know the extent of what that. Meant what we do
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: know Is moses saying this, claim and he doesn't give
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: us the. Context In genesis sixty, four he's he, remember
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: he's writing to the is The israelite people roughly fourteen HUNDRED,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: bc who their mind was filled with the stories From
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: mesopotamia And egypt about the mingling of divine people with, Humanity,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: uh creating these these debigods which were would would would would,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: execute these these, exploits these amazing. Stories and he, says
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: these are the. Ones The nephelene are the men of.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Reputation they are from, old they are from from ancient.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Times these are the. Ones so when you hear about This,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Israelites i'm telling you what really. Happened this really happened
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: that these, people these, hybrids These nepheline create the they,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: were they, were they were men of, old and they
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: were men of. Reputation they completed amazing. Things this is
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: how they gained this reputation of of OF i would,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: say of, exploits, okay if we use that. Term so
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: he gives us a little. Hint but he also makes
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: a connection that they would have. Understood oh all these
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: things that we've, heard all those the stories about these
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: these these, beings these these hybrids that did these amazing. Things,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: oh that's how it. Happened and Now i'll say one other.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Thing In genesis, six it says quite, clearly AND i
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: have it here That i'll just read. It i'll, Read
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: i'll read the literal more of a literal. Version it says.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: That and in my ARTICLE i highlighted this very very
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: block diagram the text And hebrew and everything, else BECAUSE
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: i was, like we got to get to the bottom of.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: This but it says The nepheline were on the earth
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: in those days came Remember moses is writing this in fourteen,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: hundred in those days pre, flood and also afterwards you
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: just saw them there they were you guys are. Scared,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: okay they were On so they were on the. Earth
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: well how did they get on the? Earth and this
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: is the. Answer it creates what's known as an adverbial clause. Here,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: okay we won't get into all the technical this. Is that's.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Okay if you ever see if you want to know
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: how aenepheline initially, arrived whether it was before the flood or,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: after this is how it. Happened he says they were
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: on the earth whenever the sons Of god came into
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the daughters of, men and they bore children to. Them
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: so what he's saying there, is if there is a
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: what they're seeing in number, thirteen the land was filled
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: With nepheline And anichem and other tribes, then and they
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: we also know they were there before the? Flood how
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: did they get? There we know we know how they got.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: There they happened whenever the sons Of god came down
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and made it with human. Women that is so scripturally
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: clear and. Explicit some of the other ideas, are, well
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: how did they get there after the? Flood, well maybe
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: some were good. Swimmers they swam for a, year held
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: on to the side of the. Ark no they went,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: underground no scripture for. That the genetic line was passed
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: on through one Of noah's daughter in, laws the wife
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: of no scripture for, that it tells US i don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: have to. Guess it, says when did you See nephelim
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: on the? Earth it happened whenever the sons Of god
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: came down With it tells us the. Manner the adverb
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: bear is very specific talking about how it. Happened so
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: when people say how it, happened The bible tells us
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: how it. Happened it wasn't through a genetic marker Through han's.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Wife it wasn't through going. Underground it happened when the
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: sons Of god came into the daughters and. Men that's
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: so crystal clear in the grammar of The hebrew there
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: THAT i think that's important to. Stress so do you.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Think that when the flood, happened BECAUSE i.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about that a little, bit
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that when the flood, happened that they blipped back out
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: into their interdimensional realm and that's how some of them.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Survived, OKAY i would say that because they were half
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: angelic and half, human they're still. Human so they, died
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: their physical bodies, died they. Drowned, well just like, us
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: when we, die we don't cease to. Exist so we
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: As christian we go straight to. Heaven as an, unbeliever
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: you're going to go down To. Hades. Okay so it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: interesting that we don't. Know we don't know exactly what
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: happened to. Them from a biblical. Perspective what we know, is,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: well what happened to any of the unbelievers that, Died,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: well their bodies died and they went To shale according
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: to The Old. Testamon so did these hybrid beings their
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: spirits go To? SHALE i would say, yes most of them,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: did or maybe all of. Them now again non, biblical
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: we don't the the the if all we go by
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: The bible is they received the same fate as all other.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Unbelievers their physical bodies, died and they went To, shale
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: the the the the. Underworld The greek The greek word Is. Hades,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Okay so just like everybody. Else, however there's an interesting
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: little nugget of information in The book Of, jubilees which
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: again is a is a first CENTURY, bc second CENTURY
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Bc jewish traditional.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Book we have that we Have Jubileese josher and you
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: know all By Ken, johnson we got his with his.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Commentaries they're.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Amazing, Yes so if you go To, jubilee chapter. Ten
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: it's it describes a. Story i'm not saying it's. True
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: it's just. Interesting it's interesting what The jews were in their,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: mindset what they were. Thinking so when the time Of
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: jesus comes, around you know in thirty a d he
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: he is walking into this this, uh this atmosphere of
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: writings and understanding and theological world views and everything. Else, Okay,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: well in the book at jubileeze interesting there's a we
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: get introduced to a figure Named, mastema And mastema is
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: well known in the first CENTURY bc writings as a
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: synonym or another name For. Satan, Okay So mostema goes
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: To god and, says, hey instead of sending all of
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: these nepheline to shale their, spirits their bodies are, dead
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: would you leave me ten? Percent leave me ten percent
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: of These nephelene spirits, now so THAT i can use.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: THEM i will become their ruler and their lord. Basically
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and we see something interesting In matthew twelve That satan
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: is called the ruler of the. Demons, yeah so that's.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Scriptural but he, says CAN i keep ten percent so
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: THAT i can use them to tempt? Humanity? Oh my,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: goodness the rest of them send To, shale and according
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: to The book Of, jubileez which again not. Scripture, Interesting god.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Says, sure, sure, yeah, Okay i'll allow.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: This, secondly if we compare that To First enoch, again
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: another book in The Second temple, Period, yep everybody's familiar.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: With in chapter, fifteen it gives a description that these
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: spirits of The, nethelene their bodies are, dead but the
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: spirits that go on will become what is known as
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: unclean spirits or demonic. Spirits so when we come to
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: the gospels and we just we just start reading The,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: gospels And jesus shows up on the, scene and after
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: he starts his, ministry he's immediately, confronted, yes he, is
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: by these demonic unclean. Spirits And you're, like, well where
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: do these people come? From? Uh? Huh where these entities come?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: From there's very little in The Old testament about demonic,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: spirits very little at. All but, man when you read The, gospels.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It's like else every yeah it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Is so people wonder where did these demonic entities come?
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: From because the other idea is that a demon is
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: identical to an age or fallen, angel that that's not scriptural.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Either there's several articles that have been written to show
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: that that's not. True but, nevertheless when you come on
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: the scene and you have these unclean, spirits And luke
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: chapter eight is clear that a demon and a unclean
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: spirit are the. Same it's interesting that in The book
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Of enoch chapter, fifteen a demon and an unclean spirit
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: are the. Same and so the idea then is that
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: these demonic spirits are the spirit of the nepheline and if,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: jubileese which again not, scripture but it's interesting ten percent
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: of them continued. On so going back to your original,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: question when they, Died, no their bodies went and got
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: decayed and their spirits either went to shale or if
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: any of these are, true the, spirits according to First,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: enoch that they would roam the earth causing trouble looking
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: for what body go back to a body because they
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: were cursed and they would long for the. Idea it
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: kind of reminds you of The pirates of The. Caribbean,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: YES i actually love that. Movie, yeah they can eat an,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: apple but there's no, Taste Captain.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Barbosa.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways so you have this, this you do have
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  Speaker 3: some of this is very. Biblical others is kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Not we're pulling from some of those apocryphal, apocryphal, yes got?
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  Speaker 3: You?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah AND i, think why don't you touch on that
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  Speaker 1: for a, minute because you are a, pastor you know
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: What i'm. Saying you've been in the ministry for a
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: very long. Time AND i seem to get a lot
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: of pushback From christians who think that it's just absolutely
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: awful to read these. Books not one time HAVE i
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: ever even stated that they are, scriptural they should have
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: been in A, bible nothing like. That BUT i don't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: understand how we can take like the writings Of, josephus
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: who clearly was Against, jesus and we can look at
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: pieces of.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: That and, go there's history.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: There but then it's wrong to do that with some
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of these other, books especially when they were really well
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: known in that.
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  Speaker 3: CULTURE i think there's there's a balance. Here as we,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: know many people failed to make a distinction between that
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: which is inspired and that which, isn't and so that
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: can they can that can get. Blurred but if we
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: create a, balance WHAT i WHAT i say to people
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: again as a, pastor is, hey, look be, balanced be.
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  Speaker 3: Balanced but, Yeah jude quoted. It jude was reading, it
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Second peter was reading. It and so you have these
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: and you have OTHER i would, say allusions to different.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Writings for, Example jude makes reference to The testament Of
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: moses when he talks About michael And satan debating or
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: fighting over the body Of. Moses, well you're, like where
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: did he get that? Story, well that's The testament Of
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: moses or The assumption Of. Moses, uh two separate books
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: that that kind of can go. Together these are apocryphal.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Books so What i'm saying is that when it bean
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: it be let me let me say it this way another.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Way for the those that are in our, CULTURE i might, say,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: well you, know let's Say i'm giving a sermon And
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: i'm trying to connect with the, culture AND i, say you,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: know it's important to do what's. Right it's important to
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: it's important to you, know to to live according to
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: What god has given. You remember When gandalf was talking
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: to frodo you, know, hey we we have to live
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: according to what's been given us the time and you
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: know we left to live there for such a time as. This, Okay,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: well just Because i'm quoting The lord of the. Rings
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: i'm taking a truth that was said By, gandolf which
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: is consistent with truth that is, scriptural using that in
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: a context to to just give a connecting point to, say,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: hey you understand that in the same. Way blah blah blah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Blah so that's exactly What jude is, Doing that's exactly
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: What peter's. Doing is they're looking at these things that
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: are in their local. Context so when when WHEN i
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: see a quote from or a reference By jude to
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: the assumption Of, moses what DO i? WANT i want
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: to go read. THAT i want to where did he
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: get this? From AND i want to see the context
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: of what he is. Seeing, yes actually one of those
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: books is no longer, around but we hear references to,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: it and SO i THINK i want to go, there
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: AND i want to read what they were reading in
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: order to understand his theological point of why he was
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: saying what he. Said so as long as we're, balanced
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: we're okay.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Agreed AND i think WHAT i try to tell people,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: too like is, hey if you don't know this, first
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: don't get into those other books like, this this is
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: where every piece of truth exists from those other books
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: are just, Contextual and it's not to say that everything
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: in them is.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: True it's to say that there are truths.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: In them that can give us context to some of
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: the things that The bible doesn't really elaborate.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: On and that's where the stories kind of get super. Fascinating.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay, Okay.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the hidden. History
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: so can we touch on the fact that there is
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a hidden history here that is finally coming to, light
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: right with all of this and the flood story that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: there there's a flood story in every. Culture when we
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: look around it at, history we can see that that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: every culture has.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: One what do you think why do you think it.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Would be advantageous for those that are Against christ to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: hide this story and to hide the bones that. Exist
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: i'm wearing my blurry creature shirt. Today The smithsonian has
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: the bones shameless plug for those. Guys but why do
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: you think it would be advantageous to hide this from
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: all of?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Us, well we know That JOHN a forty four that
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: the devil's a. Liar, okay there's no truth in, him,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: right and so any it's like even archaeology in many,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: ways you, know archaeology helps confirm scripture in so many.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Ways it also helps challenge false views of. Scripture people
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: have false views of their understanding anytime you have, truth
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: as for, example if you can show a nine foot,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: skeleton people are going to automatically, go, What, Yes and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: there were giants on the earth in those days is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: what many translations will say In genesis, six for they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: don't they don't transliterate the word, nefinline but there was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: giants on the, earth which is again what the septuagen.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Uses The greek version of The Old testament uses the word.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Giant So satan absolutely does not want people to be
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: able to, think wait a, minute you mean The bible
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: actually has truth there In genesis? Six and if that is,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: true Is genesis three? True Is genesis one and two
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: about the creation that we weren't here by? Evolution maybe that's.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: True so there's no doubt That satan hates, truth and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: any connecting point at all that could could bring back
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: would be in His it would not be advantageous for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: him to allow. That he's going to do every he
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: can to to dismiss or to challenge or to mock
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: you know this, Idea oh, yeah you believe in. Giants,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Okay so you know he's really good at creating truths
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: and mocking. Them and so that the people who are
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: sophisticated and are living in, pride they certainly aren't going
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: to want to be associated with juvenile thinking or, uh
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: ancient myths so to. Speak christianity is just a.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Myth.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Uh you, know you wouldn't be sophisticated. Enough if you were,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: sophisticated you wouldn't believe in old fairy. Tales. Uh and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: and this is why you know when when you see
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: some of these, things it's it's, again it is filled with.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Mockery you. Know i've been working on a on a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: on a book and research WHICH i don't know if
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: it'll ever get, done But i've agreeing.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Things are going we might be going up, SOON i.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Know So i've been going through based on your shirt
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  Speaker 3: PERFECT i Have i've downloaded all of the feel reports
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: from uh from The smithsonian that are book from like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: eighteen fifty to really nineteen, twenty because you never know
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: when they won't be allowed. Anymore SO i have. Them
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: i've downloaded all of them and. PDFs i have them
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: all on multiple locations so that it's. Smart so they
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: can't be if one is. DELETED i have them other.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Places but what What i've been doing is just going
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: through there and some of, these some of their their
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: field reports are nine hundred, pages which, so but WHAT
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: i do is great that they're. Digital SO i type in,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: GIANT i type in, GIGANTIC i type in eight foot nine,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: FOOT i type in large. Skeleton and What i'm What
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: i'm finding Is yet people, say, oh there's nothing in.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: There that's just simply not. True there's in their own
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: writings that was what the title of the book was
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: going to. Be The smithsonian in their own, writings they
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: talk about seven, footers they talk about eight, footers they
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: talk about reports that they've. Legitimized where you have a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: skull that they found which is thirty six inches in.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Circumference the average human is around twenty. Two SO i,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: mean that's you think about my skull going out, here that's,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: huge that's. Gigantic, so but what you happen Is John
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Wesley powell really in the late eighteen. Hundreds he was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: an ardent, evolutionist Loved, darwin loved long, ages and absolutely
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: made A i won't go farther into, this but the whole.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Digression but he made a new doctrine, that, hey there
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: were no. Giants When Abraham lincoln talked about the race
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: of giants In america that were being uncovered in the,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: mounds he knew what he was talking. About people were
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: uncovering on burying these. Mounds and so he Made John
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Wissey powell one of the first directors of The bureau Of,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: ethnology which was a new subdivision of The. Smithsonian he
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: created a policy that any sort of evidence that would
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: would contradict the idea of plutionary, theory which is man
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: went from apes to Advanced so if you have giants
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: in the past that has sophisticated an understanding of trigonometry
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: and mound building and other things of, construction we can't have.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: That that's totally contradictory to evolutionary. Models he forbid. It
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: and so what you do see is and this ISN'T i,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: mean this is where conspiracy is. Fact, yes people market they're, like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: OH i but you. Conspiracy, actually what you do see
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: is in so many of the newspaper, articles hundreds and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: hundreds and hundred says oh, yeah we were out of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: this Local joe found this The smishonian came and took
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: it for, investigation and it never. Came it never. Returned
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: so that was part of the, policy was to go
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: collect as many things as they could that contradicted the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: narrative of the Evolutionary darwinian. Paradigm and that's just a.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Fact people can make it if they. Want it's a.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Fact, oh it's, right it's.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: In you.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Know i've listened to podcasts of people actually calling The
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: smithsonian and ast questions and it is amazing how fast
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: those conversations are just shut.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Down AND i would say too that the person if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: you call The simithsonian now the, secretary you're gonna Get, oh,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: yeah she doesn't know, anything, Right, yeah we have no
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: record of. THAT i don't think she's, lying right, Right
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: she just says. No Wreck she hasn't done necessarily the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: homework of understanding the New John Wesley, powell you know
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: doctrine you, know in the late eighteen hundreds and what
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: that meant and even going into the twentieth. Century so
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: this this goes against again going back to the original,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: question why Would satan as? Well satan hates truth and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: now he's made a mockery and he's thrown under the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: banner of. Conspiracy and this is the screw tape letters.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Again you, KNOW i wrote a book on the script of.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Letters this is this is letter number. One confuse people by,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: jargon throw labels on. Things if you throw, labels oh
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: you're a conspiracy personnel of a. Sudden you can dismiss,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: it or you can joke about. It you can mock.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: It and if you mock things, enough then people will
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: not they won't want to associate with that level of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: because they're sophisticated and so it's very. Crafty and you,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Know satan hates, truth and so it makes sense that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: why he would not want any of this stuff, known
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: so to put a bow around.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: That do you feel like it's an accurate statement to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: say That satan brings deception to this, story because if
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: people really understand the truth Of genesis three, fifteen which
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: ties To genesis, six then they have to ask them questions,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: themselves the question is there a Holy god out there
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that made all of? This and is his son really
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the man that came to earth and? Died And satan
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: was using that story back then to somehow damage the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: bloodline That jesus was going to come out Of do
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: you feel like this.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: That's where this question is to have to.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Go if this narrative is not changed and shifted towards
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: evolution and all of, that you, know, jargon that's all out.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: There.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: ABSOLUTELY i mean there's a lot of angles here as
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: it relates to the narrative of The. Bible, yeah and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Certainly genesis three, fifteen there's going to come this human,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: savior this descendant of the woman who would come and redeem.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Humanity he'd be born a woman born of the. Law
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: glatians for says very, clearly, Right luke, Three matthew, one
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: the genealogical history That jesus absolutely was human in at
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: least one part of his. Line, Okay so, yes and
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: what it also shows you as A christian we look
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: back and we go, wow and we haven't even finished.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: DISCUSSING i think that the narrative of even The books Of,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: moses as it relates to theology of the, WAR i, think.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah let me bring that back.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Up if you look at the whole history of The,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: bible you Have god declaring war On satan In genesis.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Three i'm going to crush, you But i'm. Not i'm
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: going to crush you through one of the descendants of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: the woman who you just, deceived and and and so
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: one of her descendants is going to crush your. Head
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: and so that war then goes on throughout all the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: rest of The Old. Testament How god then begins to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: fulfill his, addictions and he Brings, israel he brings Well, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: yes and then he brings the Twelve. Tribes then he Picks,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: judah then he Picks, david then he picks the RUBBABLE
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: i mean you pick you see that all the way,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: down and then it Becomes jesus shows. Up Matthew chapter,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Two Supernatural THREAT herod goes to kill all the. Children,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Okay Then jesus shows up with the scene all of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: a sudden that the the realm of darkness is. Unleashed
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: demons on every other page trying to challenge. Him we
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: know who you. Are have you come to Torment us
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: before the, time et. Cetera then we see all the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: way through his death and. Resurrection For christians two seven
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: and eight says if they had, known they wouldn't have
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: killed The lord Of glory because that's.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Faith, boom, yeah, yeah your faith's done done, fifteen That
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: jesus disarmed them these principalities and, powers publicly humiliating.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Them That jesus And jesus one is sitting on the
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: thrones of heaven above all prince palty's. Powers so you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: see all the way through this when we go To
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: fhesians six, twelve that we wrestle not against flush and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: but principality's. Powers those are all descriptions of heavenly beings
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: that are, opposed their spiritual hosts of wickedness that are fighting.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Again we have a real. War all the way to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: the time where we See jesus come back In revelation
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: nineteen is like we're Gonna we're gonna finish.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: This, OH i can't.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Wait this is. It but if we don't understand that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: That isaiah twenty four twenty, one it's interesting That god
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: is going to punish the kings of the earth and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: the hosts of. Heaven, yes so, Right it's an amazing
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: passage where at the end In revelation, Nineteen revelation nineteen
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: is the fulfillment Of genesis three point, fifteen which has
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: is going to finalize this war Between god And satan
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: and all Of satan's, allies the realms of, darkness whatever that,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: by other fallen, angels other, demons other, beings whatever that might.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Be this is the seed war which permeates through the Entire.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Bible so if we get, rid if we fail to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: See genesis, six well we can still be.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Saved, yeah, Absolutely but it does impact The.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Gospel and that's kind of WHERE i want you to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: hone in on BECAUSE i feel, like what's happening when
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: we don't look at this as a supernatural, Realm we're
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: missing a very big piece of this story THAT i feel, like,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: HONESTLY i feel like this is helping people right now
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: to turn To jesus because they're watching it play out
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: in their windows now in a way that it is
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: not in.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: History and what we know is you're exactly. Right because,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: again IF i think, about you, know believe on The,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: lord ju Just, christ and you'll be. Saved, okay you,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: know the thief on the cross. Saved but how deep
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: do you want to go in your walk With? Lord
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: how deep you want to go in understanding the glory
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Of god and how he is sovereign and supreme over all,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: this How he's going to get the victory. Again if
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: you want to stay As hebrews five and six tells,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: you if you want to stay in the elementary, principles
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: but if you want to go, deep The bible is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: telling us from the beginning the seed war. Permeates Every
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: christian would, say, well, yeah Most christians would, say, YEAH
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: i believe in a personal, devil and, yeah THERE'S i
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: see in the devil heathers he's. Working, yes he's. Working
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: all the way. Through we'd get again in The. Gospels
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: it's on the pages we get in The book Of,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: acts we see it. There we See satan Hindering paul
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: The gospel going out all the way. Through and it
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: comes down to this that when we come to the Book,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: revelation that this final, kingdom that this beast that's unlike
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: any others is In revelation, twelve the dragon is going
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: to supernaturally empower this singular, figure WHICH i believe is the.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Offspring he's the ultimate personification of the seed Of. Satan
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: In genesis three, fifteen he's called The senate tradition in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: sec The asalonians. Two so what do you? See you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: see In revelation thirteen they're coming with miracles they're coming
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: with signs and. Wonders, yep they're coming with bringing down
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: fire from. Heaven that least two describes these as signs
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: and wonders with all power being given By. Satan so
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: this demonic H satanic, kingdom this beast, kingdom which is
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: global in, nature and it's going to be. Worldwide as
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: it relates to its presentation, There revelation nine says that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: people didn't were unwilling to repent After god would bring in.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Judgment they were unwilling to repent and stop and to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: stop worshiping. Demons so there's supernatural stuff is everywhere in
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: this final, system which, now, again what do we see
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: In america which is super bold?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Things, YEAH i mean we could go down just a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: tangent and trail here on that. Alone and that's What
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: i'm talking, About like, everyone here's the. Thing WHAT i
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: have found is THAT i don't care whether somebody believes
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: In jesus or they. Don't everybody and their brother right
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: now is going, right and they're all scratching their heads
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and everyone is, like this is the weirdest time to be.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Alive and you got people who are in their seventies
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: saying that you got people in their twenties that are saying, that,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: like people are very aware that something is not the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: same as it was and it's not going back to
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: what it.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Was and if you compare the way the world looks
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: now in all of its, perversion, yes we see it
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: not only with sex, trafficking and we see it with
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: the lies and the corruption within politics on both sides
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: of the, aisle no doubt you can be. Bought we
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: see it with the perversion of gender confusion and how
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: all that has exploded from really twenty fifteen on when
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: The United states legalized, marriage so around the, world you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: see that one of the highlights again of the of
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: the perversion of the new system is sexual perversion of gender. Confusion.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Crazy it's consistent With genesis. Six it's consistent with what
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: we're seeing as it relates to all the other immorality perilous,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: times you, Know second tiventy, three very very, clear and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: it just lists on and on and. On AND i
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: think as we as we look at The, bible And
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: i'll just circle back a minute, here because, yeah the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Way moses is, writing he's telling The, Israelites, LOOK i
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: just told you you guys have seen the supernatural power Of.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: God that they also saw the demonic OR i WOULD
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: i would even say demonic or doesn't, matter supernatural power
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Of When moses was confronting the priests Of, egypt, yeah
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: they threw their raw. Down he threw his raw, Down
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: it became a. Snake they were able to turn the
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: water into. Blood that's supernatural. Power they had seen all. This,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah god said he was going to judge that the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: gods Of egypt these weren't. Idols, no they.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Weren't just, yeah they were real.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: BEINGS i, Know and a lot of people don't take
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: that view, either that these were they were just worshiping some.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Wood i'm, like, no, no it's they. Weren't they got
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: power from. It they you, know they're there were rituals that,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: happened and things came out of those. Rituals why in
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: the world when somebody put their kid On moloch to,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: like it just doesn't make any sense that if there's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: nothing to, that if there's nothing supernatural or spiritual to,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: that it makes no logical.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Sense it's a it's the real. Deal and so as
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: as they, understood they didn't they knew that there were
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: different gods in the sense of there's all these little
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: g's and then of course we know there's only one.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Creator got, y, yes, yes we'll get hung up on. That,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: okay there's all these other non human beings that are
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: fallen and evil and. Wicked, Okay but What moses is
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: doing is he, SAYS i told you About genesis. Three
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: that's when the war. Started the war developed Into genesis,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: six where he had some evil beings coming down meeting
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: with human women in order to corrupt the human. Seed,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: yep you come To, okay the flood wiped them. Out,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: well then it's interesting that he's then after In genesis,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: nine the flood comes, back and you have that description
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: of the New. Covenant genesis, ten you have the. Genealogy
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: genesis eleven is the tower. Bubble here we are evil,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: again we have evil approach. Again. Yeah so then you
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Have genesis, twelve the calling Of abraham after the tower.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: Babble genesis thirteen again more With. Abraham but, interestingly In genesis,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Twelve god Tells, abraham, Hey i'm going to give. You
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: i'm going to give you this, land this land. Here,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: well In genesis, fourteen all of a, sudden we have
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: this description of these five kings coming, down they capture a,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: lot they take them. Up but there it describes that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: The jena that the kings from the mess of team
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: and kings came down and they battled The REFAYEEM i
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: know and who is. Exactly so you see that In genesis.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Fourteen and then as as you venture through the history Of,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: genesis they go down To. Egypt so by the time
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: they come back in the this again just Reading moses's,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Writings he's given this entire. History by the time they come,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: back as we saw number, thirteen the whole land is
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: filled with these hybrid creatures who are tall. Giants they have,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: culture they have, fortifications they are, formidable and and And moses,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: says this is part of the. War this is part
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: of that that seed, war the seed. War and, Look
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: god is gonna take care of. Business and so as
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: we see, later remember let's follow the. Theology So moses
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: is Writing. Deuteronomy deuteronomy means Second. Law it's he's. Recounting
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: and now this is after the forty. Years AND i encourage,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: people make it your homework. Today just Read deuteronomy one through.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Three that's. It just do that as a homework Because
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: moses is there On Mountain. Ebo he's giving them the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: law again and, saying you guys are going, in you're
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: gonna there's it's. Gonna god's with. You don't. Worry you're
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: gonna kill all the, Giants you're gonna kill all The.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Nephilim but as he, does he, says as we were.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Coming if you look at the, progression they're they're down
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: in the very, south let's say The sinai. Peninsula they're
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: making their way around let's say The Dead sea, area
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: and they they're coming up to what we understand is
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: modern day a Mon, jordan on the east side Where jericho.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: Is we know they crossed Over jericho and In, DOUNA
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: i mean two and. Three he, Says, oh by the,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: way we're coming along. Here, oh The zamzumm were over,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: there but you know, What god wiped them out. Before
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: you didn't have to do. That but you're not getting
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: any part of, That, MOAB i gave that to the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: sons Of. Lot that has nothing to do with. You
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: but The zamzumm were, there and they were just as
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: tall as the. Anarchy But god took care of them
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: all over. Here the whole rights were. Here, oh But
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: god took care of. Them you, know those are the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: descend near the descendants Of. Esau, oh now you have The.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Ememe well they were tall, too But god took care of.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Them and so you have all these. Tribes that What
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: satan did throughout the centuries when they were down In.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Egypt he filled the, land the promised land which was
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: promised To. Abraham he filled them with these other giant.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Tribes And god And moses is, saying, Look god took
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: care of this one, already you don't have to got
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: to take care of that. Group took care of that.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: Tribe but now these are the ones you're gonna have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: to take care of and bashan king. Og, YEAH i hear.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: That he, says when you go across the, land you're
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: gonna have to take care of all the other the
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: nepheline tribes that are in the. Land and let me
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: let me ended. Here well maybe maybe will you will
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: you read? This read The book Of, joshua chapter, eleven
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: verses twenty one through twenty, three Because joshua now was
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: riding and he's giving kind of a summary of all
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: the exploits into the land and about what instruction the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: instruction they, had so he gives like a synopsis, here
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: let's hear, it.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: All, right, MAN i WISH i would have grabbed MY,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: nasb BUT i keep that one in my car BECAUSE
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: i know THE niv doesn't okay good?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Enough all.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Right at the, Time joshua went and destroyed The anakites
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: from the hill, country From, Hebron, Debar, anab from all
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: the hill country Of, judah and from all the hill
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: country Of.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Israel joshua totally destroyed them and their.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Towns No anakites were left In israelite. Territory only In,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Gaza gaff And ashdod did any. Survive So joshua took
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: the entire land just as The lord had Directed, moses
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: and he gave, it and he gave it as an
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: inheritance To israel according to their tribal.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Divisions and then the land had rushed from.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: War so then they used the Word, anakites which is.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Fine the word Is, Anakeem, anachem Yes, annik which are
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: connected with the nepheline in number threw. Three So joshua was, saying,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: hey look The. Anachem we got rid of them all
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: out of the. Land but they. Fled they fled over
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: to the villages which Modern gaza as what we know
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: later as The philistine. Cities so they moved over. There
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: but his point is is, that, hey we got rid of.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Them we did our. Job this this, war this seed,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: war that Where satan filled the land Of israel and
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Below moab and eat, them And sayer with all these
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: these nepheline, type these roughaeing type, Tribes god took care
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: of some of them, already and he, says now it's
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: your job to take care Of And joshua, says we did.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: It so that's the theology of The Seed, war as
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: you as you, see at least in the between the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: books Of moses and into The book Of, joshua it
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: was very central to the theology of understanding to The. Israelites, hey,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: look and we know that the only time later that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: any sort of giants appeer is going to the time Of,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: david which just happens to be From, gaff which is
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: what is mentioned There joshua. Leven it's the same Area
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: goliath and appears back on the scene with his four. Brothers,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: also you have the other sons Of annik living and He.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Browne So, anyways this is very much a part of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: The Old testament theology as it relates to The Seed.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: War and then we come to The gospels and we
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: have The Seed war continuing With jesus battling all the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: different demons and the diseases and everything else we get
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit of in The book Of. Acts But
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: paul reminds us, that, hey, guys the first scritianstent the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: weapons of our warfare are not, cardinals but they're, powerful
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: and we need to take down. Strongholds and then a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: course of feast in six twelve that the wrestling we
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: wrestled not against flesh and. Blood this but we are
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: still there and the final, battle the final, war and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: this is where it comes full circle is again as
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier in the Book, revelation demons are. There
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: they're unleashed on the world In revelation.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Nine were, yep, amen oh, man, okay BECAUSE i want
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: to go there with our remaining, time BUT i want
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: you to actually answer. This, so going back to our,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: conversation maybe like a little bit, ago the traditional supernatural
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: interpretation was accepted in church history for a very long.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Time can you briefly touch on when that changed and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: who is With so if you look at.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Before church, history let's go To jewish. History and it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: interesting too because in about two seventy five to SEVENTY,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: bc The Old, testament The Hebrew, testament was translated into The.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Greek it's called Said tui. Version and so as they
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Translated genesis six The sons Of, god some of the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: manuscripts say. Angels it's very. Clear and so it was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: clear as well in Other jewish writings, that as we
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: Mentioned enoch and other, before before the time Of, jesus
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: The jews believed these were. Angels these were supernatural, beings
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: clear as. Day it's interesting though that when you come
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Into church. History of course we just we just Described
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Second peter And. Jude they clearly believed. It there's no
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: evidence anywhere that there was any other, view the Seth
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: i view that wasn't until at the time Of. Augustine.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Naw so you can get off on a tangent on
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Alone later even some of the. Target the target means
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: that they these are aramaic paraphrased translations of The Old. Testament,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: uh many of them had a supernatural, view not all of.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Them but what you, see at least in The jewish,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: world probably about one hundred and fifty eighty to two hundred,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: eighty they. Changed they started they actually had the dynastic
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: ruler or the judges, view so they moved. Away and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: really what it comes down to was the. Rabbis the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: rabbis changed and only had the main view that it
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: was non. Supernatural and one of the reasons they did
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: was to Oppose. Jesus, yes, okay so they had their,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: reasons they had their, motives, Okay but The christian, view
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: the first evidence you have anywhere is in there's two
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: guys you want to know Of, Julius africanists about two
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: HUNDRED ad had a non supernatural, view and then later
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: it didn't catch on very. Much but then later he
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: was down in The alexandri And Aria. Egypt but the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: main guy Was Saint. Augustin he was down In Alexandria,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: egypt which had a very much an allegorical view of,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: things was.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Responsible for a lot of the bad.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Theology THAT'S i, MEAN i have a guest coming on
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: to another segment we're going To we're going to get
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: into some of that With, augustine BECAUSE i struggle with
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: him as a church, father just being real, honest like
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: it's there's so much bad theology.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Yep because it's he he's, allegorical and so for him
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: in His city Of god, book that really set the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: stage for the rest of WHAT i would call the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: medieval institutional, church which just later became known as The Catholic. Church.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah and so that that that non or that non
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: literal or the more allegorical approach when it comes to supernatural,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: elements what's completely sanitized. Out, yeah but if people are if,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: so that's why today they're, like, well that's not my church. Teaches, well,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: OKAY i agree with, you that's not what your. Teaches
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: but find out why your church teaches what it, does
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: because again it goes back to most of the of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: the non salvation theological issues like. Eschatology as an, example
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: if you go to The Lutheran church or The Presbyterian,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: church any of these denominations that are that came out
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: of The, reformation most of them follow right alongside With catholic.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: THEOLOGY i.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Know, There, yeah they.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Are That's i've mentioned that on other videos, before that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: they are they are really Just catholic because there's so Much,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: yeah and we can go back to The reformation EVEN i,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: mean those, guys what they did was amazing that some
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: some things that were not you, know they were Anti,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: semitic all of those.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Things but they didn't get to.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Eschatology why, well because salvation was the big that was the,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: crux like we figured out, that oh, man this is
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: not based on. Works we need to we need to
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: hammer that. Out and they didn't go all the way
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: through with a literal interpretation.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly and and you, know on, HERMONEUTICS i think many
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: of them are running for their. Lives, Yes i'll give,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Them i'll give them a, break but people need to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: recognize that when it comes to, Again, uh most of
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Those lutheran, others they are very clear on salvation is
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: by grace, alone et. Cetera you, know a very a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Very protestant flavor of all the. Solas but when it
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: comes to outside of that, again eschatology or natural, anything
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: they're they're going to fall back to The Middle, ages
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: the Medieval catholic. View and they don't, realize oh, rarely
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: why is? That, well this is. Why so that's why
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: it's important when you look at the, history when you
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: go back to the first, century even in the gospels
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: or even in the, literature The church did not believe
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: in a non supernatural. View there was No sethid, view
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: no nobody they had no concept of The sethi. View
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: it makes great sense because how do you get to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: A sethi, View, well you have to read into, it
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: you have an allegorical, method or you have other. Things
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: that was not the. Case and so the original. View
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: if you want to know what the oldest most ancient view, is,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: uh it is this supernatural. View and in the article
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: THAT i, wrote if people want to get into this
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: in a deep, LEVEL i, okay. GOOD i provided a
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  Speaker 3: link there To Robert thomas or Not Robert Newman's arbor
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  Speaker 3: article on ancient Exe jesus Of genesis, six and they
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: can look and they can look for themselves and, go oh.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah the the, consensus the one hundred percent, consensus this
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  Speaker 3: was supernatural beings intermingling with human, women just as a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: straightforward reading of the.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Text and to come up with anything else you really
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  Speaker 2: have to alter its.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning AND i feel, like, personally in my humble, opinion
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that's where it gets, sticky because then people are not
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: understanding the full circle part that we're going to talk
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: about as we close this, up which is how this
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: is affecting everyone now as we are living in these
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: last days AND i firmly believe or the generation that's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: going to See jesus. Return now we're seeing all of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff come, out and people are they don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What to do with. IT i think there's cognitive dissonance
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: with you, know the alien narrative that's going.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Around there's you, KNOW i think people kind of freak
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: out when we start talking about a breeding program that's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: going on like, There but this is, Real like this is.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Not conspiracy theory for people out there that think it,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: is it's.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Not so can we kind of wrap a bow around
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: this on how this nepheline, narrative this biblical narrative of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: The Seed, war what happened In genesis, six how it's
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: played out to where we are now and kind of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: where it's going as we See jesus return for us
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: to get us out and out of, here and we
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: see the final seven years take place down here On,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: earth and how crazy supernatural it's going to get down
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: here for.
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  Speaker 3: People So i'll say this that within THE i MEAN
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: i live in the prophecy camps in the prophecy, world
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: and SO i get to mingle with many. People and
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: so even in like for, example you, know you KNOW
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  Speaker 3: i have here a. Conference you, KNOW i Know i'll
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: be there to come.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Back i'm going to be.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: There we have a conference coming up In Branson december
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: fifth through. EIGHTH i invite everybody to be their prophecywatchers
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: dot com check it. Out, Okay but at these, conferences you,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: know we'll have twenty to twenty five. Speakers, yes and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: all of everybody's. Favorites generally, speaking it's it's it's fun.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: Time but even amongst, Them oh, yeah we have.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Differences they have Different, yeah so which is.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: Okay WHAT i would say is that when we think
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: about the paradigm of what's, come you can have those
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: that are again are solid, teachers solid prophety teachers that
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily include any sort of ALIEN ufo paradigm that
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: will participate in the COMING b. System that's. Okay you have,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: Others i'll, say, well, no we think that it's very
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: consistent with what scripture, saying and that if you if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: those that go in deep to a deep dive as
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: it relates to let's say alien abduction lamp and. Others
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: there's no doubt that the there have been very well
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: known professors At, Harvard John mack and others that have,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: researched for, example, uh the alien abductions, Phenomenon Others, Turner David,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: jacobs you name, It Bud, hopkins you can name all the. Names.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Okay so when they have looked at, it they're, like,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: well this isn't make. Believe this isn't just. Psychological this
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: has really. Happened there's been physical, markers there's been other
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: things that have shown that somehow somebody somewhere are taking
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: and have been taking people and abducting them and impregnating
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: them and other. Things and we, go, whoa, whoa this
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: is getting really out. There, WELL i understand this isn't
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: your Typical sunday school classroom, topic but the evidence is absolutely.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: There so as A, christian now when somebody comes to
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: me and, says, hey mondo does Does? Christianity does The
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: bible have anything to contribute to understanding this phenomenon over?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Here and we'd, say, well The bible doesn't give a
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: manual on alien, abduction but what it does reveal to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: us is that it is. Not, okay it has. PRECEDENT
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  Speaker 3: i won't use a double. Negative it has precedent that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: what we see is supernatural beings coming down and interfering
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: with humanity genetically. Speaking, Okay and so what you do
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: see some people is that some of these secular, people for,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: Example David jacobs has a book Called Hybrids walking Among
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: us where they're describing, that and they don't have a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: religious perspective that these these these other beings are coming
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: down and creating an army that are unable to be.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: Discerned We hebrews thirteen. Two an angel can walk around
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  Speaker 3: unaware and we wouldn't discern. It so is it possible
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: then that in the, future if all of their information is,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: accurate that there are hybrids walking among amongst us that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: are half human half something. Else, well from The bible's,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: Perspective i'd, say, well clearly that's. Precedented so DO i
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  Speaker 3: have all the answers to how and? Why, no we.
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  Speaker 3: Don't But i'm also not going to turn a blind
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  Speaker 3: eye and just put my head in the sand and go, no,
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  Speaker 3: no that's just, fake it's. Fake there's nothing to see. There,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: Again I'm i'm not going to come on and say
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: THAT i have all the. Answers, yeah when we look
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: at the final, PARADIGM i do think that The antichrist
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  Speaker 3: is a literal son Of. SATAN i think this is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: the Sixth, YES i do.
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  Speaker 2: TOO i was going to ask you, that like it
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  Speaker 2: because and correct me If i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong of, course the first three and a half Year
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: satan has not possessed him until that second.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: Half is that? Correct that's WHY i see it. Too,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Okay so is it plausible.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: To say that the Anti christ could be a hybrid
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: being who is here as a?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Half you, know with all this stuff that's going, On,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: like is that a plausible? Theory a thought around?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: It and you, know we also don't need to assume
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: that every every hybrid is is a? Giant, well of, course,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: yeah of course people. Do, YES i encourage him not
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  Speaker 3: to assume that necessarily and so.
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  Speaker 1: Or that every really tall person is a, giant Because
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: i'm fit eleven AND i see some very tall.
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  Speaker 3: PEOPLE i might be, tall that's.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: You.
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  Speaker 3: YES i think what we know is this that as
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  Speaker 3: we see the world coming into chaos during the, tribulation
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: there there's it's it's like no holds, barred everything is
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: released and SO i do think that whatever is happening
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: in this adupt abduction. Phenomenon and again our government is
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: now talking about UAP's, UFOs they're talking about having physical
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: pieces of. Crafts they're talking about in their own. Reports
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: we've reported on, this their own reports are talking about
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: unaccounted for pregnancies by, WOMEN i, mean and birdmarks from
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: you don't get a birdmark from a light in the
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: sky or, hallucination and so people don't get pregnant and other.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: Things so do we have does The christian worldview have
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: all of the answers for all the? Minutia, no of course.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Not we don't have that for a lot of. Things
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  Speaker 3: but what it does is it provides for us a
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  Speaker 3: supernatural framework that began In genesis three, fifteen continued In genesis,
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  Speaker 3: six continued In genesis, fourteen numbers. Thirteen do you know,
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  Speaker 3: me you know two and three all the way To Second,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: samuel you know With David Deliath First samuel seventeen you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: name it into the supernatural nature of The. Gospels, yeah
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: this is this, is this is why we call. It
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: the seed war that has been going on from the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: beginning makes its way all the way to the son Of,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: perdition a child ultimately Of, satan Whose satan empowers and
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: ultimately possesses in the mid part of the tribulation.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Man so, then, okay with what we have going on right,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: now we've got Like Elon musk and Neural.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Link have you seen that video that he has out
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: that like they take a piece of.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: It it's a it's a it's not AN, ai but
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: it's like this computerized model of like cutting open the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: head and putting. It it's real creepy. Look and my
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: husband showed it to me a couple of days, ago
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: AND i was, LIKE i don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know what to do with.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: It but we've got we've got that they're trying to,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: place you, know things in our, heads and they want
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: to controls of the. Computers we've got the transhumanism, agenda
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: which also the you, know the transgender movement applies in.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: There because we've got you, know there's so many different
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: things that all this is like one giant spider web.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: TOGETHER i feel like a lot of this is entertangled
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: into those things as, well because and again this is just.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: Conjecture La marzouli.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: CONJECTURE I i wonder And i've wondered this for a long,
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  Speaker 1: time and THEN i kind of got to the place
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  Speaker 1: Where i'm, LIKE i feel like this might be what
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: it's saying when people take the mark of the beast
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: in the. Tribulation first of, all we know that you're
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: not gonna take that by. Accident you know what you're.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Doing we won't be, Here praise The, lord you won't be.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Here but they're gonna be people who just they blindly
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: go in and they do it because that's where their allegiance.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Is do you feel like there's some plausibility to say
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: that that mark of the beast will turn them into
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: a non human because The bible talks about when someone
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: takes the mark of the, beast they are no longer.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Redeemable AND i know That jesus came to save that's.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: It SO i was always wondering if like that's a
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: part of that, too because of where all this is
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: going and they are trying to end humanity as we know,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: It so what are your thoughts on?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: That and you're not asking for certainty even though we
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: have sergainty for uncertain. Times, YES i love, it Good.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: PLATO i think that if you if you ask it's. Plausible,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: YES i do think it's possible if we look at
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: the technology that's coming down the pike as it relates
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: to the recent situation we had in twenty twenty and
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: some of the medical.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Experiments, yeah the medical, experiment that's exactly.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: RIGHT i always, SAID i don't want to be an.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Experiment get back to me in ten years when you
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: figured it, out and Maybe i'll consider. It but even, That,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: yeah what what if if we spend a moment on.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: Transhumanism one of the things that that their, goal their
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: goal is eternal life Without Jesus, christ, yes in The. God,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah so as we see the understanding of genetics, continue
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: uh with crisper technology and in some of the other,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: stuff the new H m r N a, technology just
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: the technology yourself there, there, there there are they are
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: allowing or they're creating a situation where they're talking to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: genetic material and giving it instructions in its own code
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Which god. Created so what's a transhumanists? Goal? What their
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: goal is to be able to manipulate the genetic code
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: to such a degree that will turn off disease markers
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: or or genes or, chromosomes what what whatever those might
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: be and however they do, that they would have they
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: would have to implant something in in order to change the. Instructions,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: okay so that's that's their. Goal we also know that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that in the what another plausible idea is
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: that during the tribulation there is another outbreak of some.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Kind we know famines are part of the always six
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: matheal a very clear yep and soul could the mark
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: of the beast that's will be connected to a lot of,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: Things but it's definitely, religious it's definitely, political it's definitely.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Economical what is the system that they administer? It could
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: it be a jab of some? KIND i think that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: is A it's very plausible because if the world is
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: crashing and, people according To hebrews two, Fourteen satan controls
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: people by the fear of. Death we saw that they
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: would almost do anything not to. Die and as A
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: christian you're, like, well that's not the worst thing that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: can Happen, jesus. Okay but an unbeliever doesn't have that
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: same promise or even faith. Level so if you come
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: to somebody and, say, hey, look if you take, this
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: it will either from a, trance, humanist perfective give you eternal.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Life, YEAH i think that's part of it, too.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: Yep or it'll protect you or solve the current situation
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: of the plague out there that's. Happening that could be another.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Angle we do know That revelation thirteen that the the mortal,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: wound the deadly wound Of antichrist is, healed AND i
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: do think that. HE i do think he's resurrected from the.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Dead oh.
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  Speaker 2: ABSOLUTELY i think it's. LITERAL i think it's.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: Literal and here's. Why there is A greek particle there
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: In revelation thirteen that, says as as if he, wrote
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: as if he came back to. Life so people, say,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: oh that's not. Real but if you take that same
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: and you go To revelation chapter, five that same phraseology
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: as if he was slain is talking About. Jesus, Well
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: jesus was clearly raised from the dead ya. Literally so
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that that same phrase it relates To jesus
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: The lamb And revelation five in The book Of, revelation
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: the exact same phrase is used of The. Antichrist SO
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: i think it's if it's literal For, jesus it's literal
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: for The. Antichrist but think about, that think about the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: power to, say, listen look at. Me and that's why he,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: says who can make war with? Him they're amazed there in.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Wonder oh. Wow and so he comes off to, say,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Look i'm going to offer you the same thing THAT
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: i just proved to. EVERYBODY i came back from. Life here,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: go and here's part of the. Mark and so that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: sort of again transhumanist promise or a savior promise from a,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: plague absolutely probable that that would be part of the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: mark of the mark of THE bt, system which again
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: would fulfill so many. Things, yeah it would be, certain not,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: necessarily BUT i think it's very. Plausible, Okay OH i love.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: That, man this has been such a fun discussion. TODAY
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: i absolutely love The french. TOPICS i think they're so
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: amazing to talk. About and for me growing up in
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: the church and just not learning these, things it has
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: deepened my faith because it's and not only is it
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: deep in my, faith it's honestly given me such confidence
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: about The GOD i believe. In and it's like the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: greatest hero story ever, Told like it's so much bigger
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Than thor and you, Know Spider man and all of
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: these things that we have around that everybody gets all
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: into and entertainment, wise and it's just amazing to think
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: about the fact that we're living in the most amazing
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: time that we could possibly. Live AND i think it's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: better to live now than it would have been In
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: jesus' day Because i'm afraid THAT i would have been
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: one of those persons that would have been like CURCIFY i,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: am you know WHAT i. Mean so it's it's it's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: amazing to be in this time and to see everything
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: coming into full view.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: And where we're headed is just.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Wild AND i, mean, yeah there's there's uncertainty, there but
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: the certainty that we have is through who we know
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: as Our lord and. Savior and so WHAT i would
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: love to ask is if you have anything else you
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: want to add to this, conversation and if, NOT i
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: would love for you to share with people how they can,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: know you, know how they can have confidence about where
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: they were where they're going to.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Go first of, all if they die.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Today, secondly if the rapture happens before while they're watching this, video,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: LIKE i would love for people to have confidence in
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: that with you talking about, that if you don't have
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: anything else to, add.
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  Speaker 3: So and we can we can actually tie it together real.
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  Speaker 3: Nicely you can do. It what began In genesis three
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  Speaker 3: fifteen again was this seed war Between god and his,
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  Speaker 3: enemy primarily you, Know, satan and of course he has.
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  Speaker 3: Allies and so through that we see the entire plan
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  Speaker 3: Of god Thwarting satan's efforts at every. Turn god has
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  Speaker 3: never lost a, battle. Nop we know that you can't
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  Speaker 3: Be god at. Chess And god has allowed certain things
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  Speaker 3: THAT i don't. Understand it relates to evil in the.
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  Speaker 3: World but Nevertheless god has a reason for, it AND
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  Speaker 3: i trust that it's. Good so when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: ultimately What jesus did on the cross, again he died for.
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  Speaker 3: Sinners he died for all those That ephesians chefter to
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  Speaker 3: is crystal clear that and First john other. Passages we're
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  Speaker 3: either a child Of god or child of the. Devil
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  Speaker 3: there's no one. Between and all of us were by
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  Speaker 3: nature children of, wrath all of us at one. Time
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  Speaker 3: paul says That ephesians. Two but he says in verse,
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  Speaker 3: four But god made us, alive and so we have
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity when we see this war is to be.
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  Speaker 3: Transferred colossian, says to be transferred from the kingdom of
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  Speaker 3: darkness to the kingdom of his, son of his dear.
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  Speaker 3: Son and so if we come to that place of
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  Speaker 3: recognizing That jesus died for, sinners and if we put
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  Speaker 3: our faith and trust in, him that we can be
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  Speaker 3: moved from that kingdom of, darkness a child of the,
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  Speaker 3: devil into being a child Of god and to have
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  Speaker 3: eternal life promise for. Us we also have the opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to be, saved you know again Fort sesilians five nine
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  Speaker 3: versus one, ten that will be delivered from the wrath Of,
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  Speaker 3: god that's, coming rescued from the wrath Of. God there's
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  Speaker 3: trouble coming on, earth And jesus said to warn people to,
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  Speaker 3: watch to be, ready that it would not come upon
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  Speaker 3: that we wouldn't be the ones that would come upon
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  Speaker 3: them as a, trap that they would not. Escape paul
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  Speaker 3: says in First sessilians, Five so the big picture, is,
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  Speaker 3: look these fringe topics are amazing in that they're not
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  Speaker 3: as fringe as people claim they. Are we see. Them
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  Speaker 3: we just we went through a lot of passages that
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  Speaker 3: The bible is a supernatural. Book and so it reminds
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  Speaker 3: us as well that there's a supernatural destiny heaven and
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  Speaker 3: hell for, people and we're not to shy away from.
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  Speaker 3: That And jesus puts the offer out there and over
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  Speaker 3: and over and over to come to, him put our
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  Speaker 3: faith and trust in, him and we would not only
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  Speaker 3: would we have eternal, life but we'd escape the coming
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  Speaker 3: wrath that's coming upon the. World so that that's the good.
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  Speaker 3: News it's the good news as well that we get
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  Speaker 3: to go be with. HIM i think Of john fourteen
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  Speaker 3: that that he's going to come receive. Us he's going
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  Speaker 3: to come bring us in and receive us unto himself
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  Speaker 3: and take us to The father's. House, well there's many
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  Speaker 3: mansions so that we can go be with. HIM i
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  Speaker 3: Mean john seventeen twenty four says that that he desires
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  Speaker 3: for us to see him in his. Glory where's that
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  Speaker 3: at and that's in heaven if he wants to bring
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  Speaker 3: us there to show us to. Me the promises that
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  Speaker 3: we have are just.
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  Speaker 1: Phenomenal, YEAH i, AGREE i, Agree and it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: very exciting time to see all of this coming to
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  Speaker 1: play and just knowing having that confidence of knowing like
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  Speaker 1: where it's. Going there's nothing like, that to have that
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  Speaker 1: confidence in that eternal security of, like, well don't matter
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  Speaker 1: what this place could.
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  Speaker 2: Blow up, today it don't, Matter like it just does not.
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  Speaker 1: Matter so, Well, mondo thank you so much for taking
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  Speaker 1: time out of your day to come on, here AND.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: AGAIN i would love to have you back, on BUT
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  Speaker 1: i will make sure that everybody has links to your
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  Speaker 1: stuff down. Below and, YEAH i just really appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: taking the time to do this and spend so much
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  Speaker 1: time on the history and going through even just all
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  Speaker 1: of The jewish, texts all of those. THINGS i think
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  Speaker 1: they matter for context for. People so thank you again
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  Speaker 1: so much for taking time out of your day to do.
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  Speaker 3: This it's been a, BLESSING i mean to me to
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  Speaker 3: talk about The word Of god and the scripture and
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  Speaker 3: to share hope And Jesus. CHRIST i, mean, hey that
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  Speaker 3: truly Is that's why we're.
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  Speaker 2: Here, yeah, absolutely