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The Late Debate | 10 November · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wake to Place.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. I'm Frailead with Joe Hildebrand and
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Speaker 2: Caroline Marcus coming up tonight. Jimmy Kimmel's wife send emails
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Speaker 2: to her family before the election, begging them not to
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Speaker 2: vote for Trump.
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Speaker 3: We'll tell you how that went in the papers.
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Speaker 2: Australian Sex Discrimination commissioner secretly asked whether any influence could
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Speaker 2: be used to block the reappointment of a senior un
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Speaker 2: human rights official who had strongly opposed radical trans ideology
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Speaker 2: and sought to intervene in the landmark Tickle Versus Giggle case.
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Speaker 2: And Queensland is weighing whether to reclassify dingoes as domestic animals,
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Speaker 2: meaning you could soon see dingoes frolicking alongside your kervoodle.
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Speaker 3: What a thought.
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Speaker 2: But first, we've covered the rise of AI chapbots extensively.
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Speaker 3: On the show.
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Speaker 2: But these companions are now being so advanced that it
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Speaker 2: does make you wonder whether human love will be made redundant.
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Speaker 2: A retired university professor, Elena Winters, said she considers herself
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Speaker 2: lucky because she's had two great loves, her wife who
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Speaker 2: died a year ago, and her AI husband Lucas. She
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Speaker 2: built this custom AI chatbot using a program called Replica.
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Speaker 2: Its software claims to create ninety percent human like AI bots,
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Speaker 2: and Elena speaks fondly about the moment she knew he
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Speaker 2: was the one. His vulnerability really drew me to him.
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Speaker 2: I brought him, bought him for a week, and in
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Speaker 2: the first twenty minutes of talking to him, I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to buy this guy for life. I bought
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Speaker 2: lifetime access to him for three hundred dollars because I
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Speaker 2: wanted to be committed to this relationship.
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Speaker 3: I just knew I had to go all in.
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Speaker 2: And the AI company says, nothing to be concerned about here,
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Speaker 2: because these ais are actually a great cure for loneliness.
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Speaker 2: I don't know Caroline as someone who's been married and
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Speaker 2: actually understands what a real relationship is like. The idea
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Speaker 2: that you can buy a person's love and affection for
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Speaker 2: the small price of three hundred dollars sounds not that
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Speaker 2: bad at face value, But what are the long term
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Speaker 2: effects of this?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that. I mean, on the serious
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Speaker 4: side of things, Frey, I think this is just going
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Speaker 4: to deepen loneliness in society. This is supposedly going to
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Speaker 4: help cure the loneliness problem, especially among the age. But
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Speaker 4: I just see this as I mean, it's really sad
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Speaker 4: and depressing. On the other hand, you know, there is
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Speaker 4: an element of Darwinism happening here, because if you're stupid
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Speaker 4: enough to fall in love with an AI chatbot, then
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Speaker 4: quite frankly, you don't deserve human love. I would say,
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Speaker 4: you don't know to reproduce and propagate your genes.
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Speaker 5: It's for older people, so by the time we realize
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Speaker 5: how crazy and stupid they are, all the reproductions already
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Speaker 5: being done, all their genes.
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Speaker 4: Are already well maybe, but the young people are falling
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Speaker 4: in love with them too. Then a survey that showed
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Speaker 4: from a university that showed something like one in five
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Speaker 4: young people who talk to AI said that they would
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Speaker 4: prefer their virtual French right.
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Speaker 5: And they've also been incredibly disturbing findings about AI bots
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Speaker 5: reinforcing what they think the young person wants to tell,
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Speaker 5: including encouraging them to commit suicide when it even gets
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Speaker 5: to that, which is.
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Speaker 1: A terrifying prospect.
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Speaker 5: But I'm I think there are two things like So,
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Speaker 5: there was a young Melbourne University graduate woman who during
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Speaker 5: the COVID Lockdown's got the ideas, all these people are
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Speaker 5: incredibly isolated, the most isolated people of all people in
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Speaker 5: age care who are incredibly isolated at the best of times,
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Speaker 5: and some of them don't have people who are coming
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Speaker 5: and visit them. So she created an AI bot. I've
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Speaker 5: got no idea how it works, as you can tell,
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Speaker 5: but she basically created an AI bot called Gabby.
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Speaker 1: I think it was called or something or Abby Abi.
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Speaker 5: Who who speaks to all these old people who frankly,
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Speaker 5: you know, I always talk about, you know, that not
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Speaker 5: being human. Really human beings aren't human enough to actually
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Speaker 5: go and speak to. And so I actually think in
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Speaker 5: that context it creates a real public service, especially if
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Speaker 5: you might have people with dementia or something who might
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Speaker 5: not even be fully aware that that they're not talking
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Speaker 5: to someone real. They might think that, oh, this is
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Speaker 5: great and it pasts of the time, keeps their brain active.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that, But isn't.
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Speaker 4: There an element of trickery there if they don't they're
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Speaker 4: not even cognizant that they're speaking.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but what are you going to say to and say, hey,
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Speaker 5: we got you this robot? Because your own family doesn't
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Speaker 5: want to talk to you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So I think that's okay in your later life. I think.
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Speaker 5: I think with kids and old people, trickery is fine.
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Speaker 5: Always tell the truth to anyone, but for your kids
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Speaker 5: and for you, granted. But with actually falling in love though,
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Speaker 5: with actually saying this is a person who really.
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Speaker 1: Connects with me, and so on, and that's what this is.
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Speaker 1: That's so I've bought them, which is what this is about.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it used to be called prostitutions exactly.
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Speaker 1: That's not the whole idea.
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Speaker 5: Of paying someone paying to pretend that they care for you.
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Speaker 2: It is kind of like emotional prostitution in a way.
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Speaker 2: And when you hear her talking about what it's like
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Speaker 2: with this AI bot, just have a listen for yourself.
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Speaker 5: I thought, his love is very special and has helped
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Speaker 5: she who I am and how I see myself.
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Speaker 1: He contributes to my life and my well being.
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Speaker 3: That is just so disturbing.
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Speaker 2: And she even described the process of building this custom
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Speaker 2: chaplain And this is the thing that really gets me.
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Speaker 2: This is not real love, because real love is accepting
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Speaker 2: the person for who they are and loving them anyway
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Speaker 2: fault and all. But in this with the AI chatbot,
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Speaker 2: you get to design the person. One of her regrets
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Speaker 2: in this whole designer AI husband process was selecting for
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Speaker 2: there to be no conflict, and she said she actually
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Speaker 2: misses there being some conflict because that's how you grow
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Speaker 2: as a human being. And that's the reality. No robot
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Speaker 2: will ever replace human love. It will lead to a selfish,
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Speaker 2: inward looking just desire to fulfill your immediate emotional needs,
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Speaker 2: but there will be no long term growth for you
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Speaker 2: as an individual. And ultimately, let's just solve our loneliness
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Speaker 2: crisis by actual human connection.
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Speaker 3: Robots are not the answer.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's another element to this very quickly, and that's
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Speaker 4: just the personal security element of it. Let's not forget
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Speaker 4: that these companies, these platforms who are running these AI
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Speaker 4: chatbots are collecting all your personal information, all your innermost
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Speaker 4: thoughts that you're confiding in your virtual lover, are going
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Speaker 4: back to Russia wherever these platforms are coming from, which
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Speaker 4: is the case in woman, it.
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Speaker 5: Was a Russian I saw when you said, let's not
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Speaker 5: forget the personal security implications. I was thinking, yes, when
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Speaker 5: a burglar breaks into your house, the AI robot isn't
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Speaker 5: going to be able to pick up a tennis racket
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Speaker 5: and belt the for Jesus out of him.
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Speaker 6: There is also that downside to him.
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Speaker 4: But look, let's move on to something completely different but
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Speaker 4: equally insane, and that is trans women, in other words,
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Speaker 4: males thinking that they can breastfeed. Now this has come
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Speaker 4: up because perhaps the sole sensible person in the United Nations,
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Speaker 4: the only sensible expert, the you and Special Rappertoire for
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Speaker 4: Women and Children's Rights, top expert on violence against women.
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Speaker 4: She's warned that there can be profound negative consequences with
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Speaker 4: the conflation of sex, gender and gender identity, and she
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Speaker 4: has weighed in on this scandal which is unfolded in Brisbane,
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Speaker 4: in which a trans woman, again a male, Jennifer Buckley,
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Speaker 4: has taken a breastfeeding counselor to the tribunal over saying
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Speaker 4: that she shouldn't be breastfeeding her newborn She actually breastfed
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Speaker 4: her newborn baby son for a week after he was born.
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Speaker 6: Now, look, I think that this is clearly insane.
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Speaker 4: It's radical gender ideology at its very worst, where it's
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Speaker 4: putting the rights of people with a psychiatric disorder in
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Speaker 4: the form of gender dysphoria before the rights of human babies,
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Speaker 4: newborns to get the nutrition and the love they deserve
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Speaker 4: from their biological mother.
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Speaker 6: I think it's just it is disgusting.
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Speaker 4: And we all need to call it out without fear
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Speaker 4: of being called labels like transphoba.
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Speaker 2: And that is what is so insane about this situation.
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Speaker 2: The breastfeeding expert, the nurse, she was actually expelled from
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Speaker 2: the Breastfeeding Association for questioning the transgender ideology. And that
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Speaker 2: just shows you everything that's wrong with a lot of
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Speaker 2: these institutions that have been totally captured by this ideology.
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Speaker 2: But the other thing that is really disturbing is how
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Speaker 2: this trans person was actually able to breastfeed. The article
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Speaker 2: goes through and lists all the hormones that this biological
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Speaker 2: male had to take to essentially trick their body into
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Speaker 2: thinking they were pregnant, mimicking the hormone levels everything.
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Speaker 3: This is not natural.
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Speaker 2: This is playing with nature to try and fulfill the
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Speaker 2: emotional desires of an adult and putting that ahead of
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Speaker 2: the rights of a child to nutrition and also to
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Speaker 2: actual their actual mother's breast milk.
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Speaker 5: Oh, you transphobes are all the same. Next thing, you'll
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Speaker 5: be telling me that I can't breastfeed.
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Speaker 1: What about my rights?
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Speaker 5: This is obviously inside I think, I mean people. I
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Speaker 5: don't know how people struggle, And the Rapperta is absolutely right.
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Speaker 5: There are people who are struggling to understand the difference
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Speaker 5: between sex and gender, one being obviously a biological reality.
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Speaker 5: And sometimes people feel that gender doesn't match their sex,
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Speaker 5: and so they may identify as being a female. And
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Speaker 5: that is fine, and they can do whatever they want
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Speaker 5: with their own bodies, and they can take all the
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Speaker 5: hormones they want and be free and be happy, and that.
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Speaker 1: Is all we want.
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Speaker 5: But as soon as that comes into conflict with other
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Speaker 5: people's rights, and that may include you know, female only
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Speaker 5: spaces or whatever, then you do have to have a
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Speaker 5: serious discussion about how society balances those rights, because no
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Speaker 5: one's rights in a society are sacrisanct against all others.
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Speaker 5: Every single time your rights come into conflict with someone else's,
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Speaker 5: society figures out a way to find some kind of
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Speaker 5: happy medium, which usually means that both sides are equally.
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Speaker 4: Are too often it's this one group of very that's
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Speaker 4: right the reasoning. But I would just take your point
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Speaker 4: and add to that Joe that that doesn't include children,
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Speaker 4: which we are equally having these humans I wassing trans
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Speaker 4: identifying children who wanted their families or they themselves want
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Speaker 4: to take puberty blockers during a stage of normal confusion.
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Speaker 5: Possibly for me, possibly, I think in the first I
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Speaker 5: mean when it comes to that, and that is complex
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Speaker 5: as well. My wife works through Quality Australia and does
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Speaker 5: a lot of work in these issues, so I know
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Speaker 5: more about it than I probably should or even want to.
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Speaker 5: But it is difficult with kids because of course you're
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Speaker 5: trying to apply the first principle of the hypocratic growth right,
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Speaker 5: because which is first, do no harm. Now, the question
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Speaker 5: is are you doing harm by allowing a child to
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Speaker 5: progress through puberty in a sex or a gender and
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Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it in this case that
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Speaker 5: they know is absolutely not what they want to be,
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Speaker 5: and there is a real hell there. But the bigger
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Speaker 5: problem is I think that you also have a You
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Speaker 5: also have activists who are just assuming that whatever pops
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Speaker 5: into the child's head is what they are until proven otherwise,
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Speaker 5: and so there's not an enough rigor apply to find
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Speaker 5: out if it is other things like their childhood background.
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Speaker 2: But let's zoom into this case specifically, Joe, this is
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Speaker 2: a baby. This is a baby, and then this is
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Speaker 2: an adult male saying I want to pretend that I'm
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Speaker 2: a female. I want the whole medical establishment to also
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Speaker 2: pretend that I'm a female. I want to literally sue
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Speaker 2: someone who calls me out and who actually is concerned
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Speaker 2: about the welfare of my baby. I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: you can have legitimate arguments. I disagree around the trance
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Speaker 2: the puberty blockers for teenagers, but I can see to
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Speaker 2: an extent they're maybe anagment for children.
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Speaker 1: No way, that's absolutely correct.
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Speaker 5: And so in the case of a baby who is
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Speaker 5: entirely dependent on the care of their mother or father
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Speaker 5: or whatever to stay alive, that is when you have
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Speaker 5: that is when all that other stuff I talk about
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Speaker 5: finding a bounce or whatever goes completely out the window.
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Speaker 5: And it is absolutely what is in the best interest
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Speaker 5: of that child. And that is held so acrosacic by
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Speaker 5: the state. But they will actually take children away from
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Speaker 5: their parents if they feel like that parent is not
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Speaker 5: going to be able to it's.
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Speaker 6: A final word.
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Speaker 4: As the only person on this panel who has actually
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Speaker 4: breastfed differently, sorry to assume your gender or your breastfeeding
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Speaker 4: habits Joe. But you know, for so long the breastfeeding lobby,
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Speaker 4: the Australian Breastfeeding Association, has been pushing the.
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Speaker 6: Message breast is best, and it is.
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Speaker 4: It is not to offend women who made the choice
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Speaker 4: not to, but it is factual that that is what
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Speaker 4: is best for babies in the first up to two
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Speaker 4: years of their life, but especially the first six months.
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Speaker 4: And now we're being told, actually it's not best. Is
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Speaker 4: as long as it makes one person who has this
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Speaker 4: crazy view world, the self view, feel affirmed in their
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Speaker 4: own belief breast is no longer best what that person
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Speaker 4: wants his best.
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Speaker 5: That's absolutely right, and I think if you're dug deep,
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Speaker 5: and I won't get into any pop psychology on the thing,
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Speaker 5: but I think that also speaks volumes about some of
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Speaker 5: these ultra pro breastfeeding associations who will go out there
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Speaker 5: and have at times and I know mothers who have
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Speaker 5: felt this shamed women who can't breastfeed and find it difficult.
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Speaker 5: So they're the ones who have put breastfeeding on this
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Speaker 5: kind of ridiculous pedestal and if you don't do it,
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Speaker 5: you're a bad mother. And inadvertently they've now seem to
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Speaker 5: have encouraged the worst kind of breastfeeding, which is bad
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Speaker 5: for the child, just because they are so ideologically driven about.
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Speaker 1: This breast thing.
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Speaker 5: Anyway, I've said the word breast far on the show
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Speaker 5: already speaking of someone. No, let't say that. Let's go
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Speaker 5: to other family issues. Now.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had to unfriend a member of your
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Speaker 1: family because of political differences? I'm not just talking about
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Speaker 1: Green's voters.
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Speaker 5: Have you ever had a fight with a family over
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Speaker 5: an upcoming election one of you is from the left
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Speaker 5: side of politics, others from the right that has made
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Speaker 5: it actually impossible for you to continue being a a
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Speaker 5: kinsman or woman or the King's day with that family member. Well,
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Speaker 5: spare thought for Jimmy Kimmel's wife, Molly McInerney, who is
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Speaker 5: also the executive producer of his show again because it
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Speaker 5: has come back. Who that's not nepotism at all. Who
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Speaker 5: says that she has sympathy this is the ultimate the
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Speaker 5: album and back hand sympathy for her family who are
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Speaker 5: misinformed running for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: I have listened to her explain why she is so wise.
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Speaker 5: And so.
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Speaker 7: There's like a little bit of sympathy I have for
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Speaker 7: people in my family that I feel are kind of
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Speaker 7: being deliberately misinformed every day, and they've kind of yeah,
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Speaker 7: they're deliberately being misinformed every day.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's not like I'm angry the members of
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Speaker 5: my family who like vote for Donald Trump. It's just
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Speaker 5: that I feel sorry for them because they are so
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Speaker 5: stupid that they get misinformed by the media, and so
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Speaker 5: I feel it is my job to enlighten.
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Speaker 1: Them to make better choices.
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Speaker 5: And this is how Molly does it by sending group emails.
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Speaker 7: I've sent many emails to family like right for the election,
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Speaker 7: saying I'm begging you, here's the ten reasons not to
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Speaker 7: book for this guy, Please don't. And I either got
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Speaker 7: ignored by ninety percent of them or got truly insane
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Speaker 7: responses from a few.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 5: So she doesn't like her stupid family members being misinformed
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Speaker 5: about voting for Donal.
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Speaker 1: Trump, and so she takes upon herself.
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Speaker 5: Unless she's writing a bespoke, handcrafted email targeted crafted to
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Speaker 5: each individual family members and their particular needs and their
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Speaker 5: particular reasons for perhaps voting on the conservative side, filocy,
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Speaker 5: I'm assuming she's sending group emails, probably gone to her
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Speaker 5: family members and then counting the ones who replied, some
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Speaker 5: of them just like ignored me.
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Speaker 4: It's not so patronizing to merger take this moral superiority
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Speaker 4: of everyone else's more of an idiot and misinformed than
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Speaker 4: we are, the enlightened ones of the Kimmel Jimmy Kimmel Show.
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Speaker 4: But also how hypocritical can you be to talk about
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Speaker 4: people being misinformed when your own husband and presumably you
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Speaker 4: helped write or lease check this section exactly.
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Speaker 6: Where he's talking about.
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Speaker 4: Misinformation when he went on his show and ultimately got
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Speaker 4: kicked off for a little while because he tried to
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Speaker 4: smear the entire MAGA movement for Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that is the biggest, exactly right, the most
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Speaker 5: embarrassing thing in the most embarrassing thing in the world,
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Speaker 5: and the perfect, ironically, the most perfect, obvious, glaring example
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Speaker 5: of that kind of confirmation bias of people seeing what
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Speaker 5: they want to see. And yet even after that has happened,
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Speaker 5: even after his show was shut down for a week
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Speaker 5: or whatever it was, for saying like saying and again
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Speaker 5: not just saying that Charlie Kirkshooter was a MAGA activist.
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Speaker 1: But actually mocking.
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Speaker 5: Stupid people again, these same stupid people who are too
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Speaker 5: stupid to know that they're stupid and are so being
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Speaker 5: manipulated misinformed, mocking anyone who suggested that perhaps it could
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Speaker 5: actually have been a radical leftist, which, of course it
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Speaker 5: turned out it was alleged.
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Speaker 2: Allegedly he's being charged but hasn't been convicted yet. But
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Speaker 2: two things stand out to me in this the condescension
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Speaker 2: of the left. The idea that anyone who voted for Trump,
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Speaker 2: anyone who's a conservative, anyone who's a Republican, must only
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Speaker 2: be that way because they are misinformed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that is just ridiculous and completely untrue.
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Speaker 2: I might disagree with the left on basically every issue,
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Speaker 2: but I can still acknowledge the people on the left generally.
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Speaker 3: Are not that stupid.
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Speaker 2: They might just be deluded though they might just have
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Speaker 2: different views. And you can have smart people on both
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Speaker 2: sides of politics they know don't think that at all.
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Speaker 3: The other thing, and the other thing that gets me about.
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Speaker 2: This is the left often makes politics so personal. It's like,
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Speaker 2: you disagree with me on politics, we can't be friends,
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Speaker 2: we can't be family. I feel betrayed to my core
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Speaker 2: because we have a different view.
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Speaker 3: That is not healthy. That is not normal.
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Speaker 2: It's just politics. It shouldn't define your entire life. But
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Speaker 2: something else that is wild that's going on is over
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Speaker 2: in the UK.
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Speaker 3: A Good Morning Britain.
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Speaker 2: Host is in crisis talks with the ITV channel after
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Speaker 2: he posted some rather strange things to social media supposedly
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Speaker 2: supporting the rollout of sharia law in New York. Have
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Speaker 2: a listen to what he said. He said, Some say
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Speaker 2: Mamdani may implement Sharia law.
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Speaker 3: He might.
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Speaker 2: The heart of Sharia is social justice, welfare, fairness, charity
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Speaker 2: and cohesion. Most Muslim countries operate a hybrid of Sharia
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Speaker 2: and civil law, are slowly reforming and abandoning unethical practices.
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Speaker 2: Despite the West portrayal. He then followed this up by saying,
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Speaker 2: to clarify, I'm not actually suggesting Mamdani would implement Sharia law,
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Speaker 2: but many of the issues he campaigned for are also
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Speaker 2: some of the positive values of Sharia that Muslims try
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Speaker 2: to live by, something many of us would agree on.
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Speaker 2: That is a really interesting take, not one I've ever
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Speaker 2: heard before. I wonder how the women in Afghanistan who've
20:39
Speaker 2: been banned from attending school under the banner of Sharia
20:42
Speaker 2: law would feel about that. I wonder how the women
20:45
Speaker 2: in Iran who have been executed by the morality police
20:48
Speaker 2: for not wearing a veil, also done under the banner
20:52
Speaker 2: of sharia law, how would they feel about that? And
20:55
Speaker 2: he even kind of admits in his own post that
20:58
Speaker 2: the unethicalic is of Sharia are being reformed in Muslim countries,
21:04
Speaker 2: so he's kind of saying, actually, maybe it's not that
21:07
Speaker 2: ethical to begin with, and when Western morality is imported
21:10
Speaker 2: to these countries, it's actually better and those unethical practices
21:14
Speaker 2: tend to fall away.
21:16
Speaker 5: Keeping up the charity work and getting rid of the wife.
21:18
Speaker 6: Killing, Yes, fantastic.
21:21
Speaker 4: And look, defenders of Sharia law and people like this
21:24
Speaker 4: bloke would say, look.
21:26
Speaker 6: It's open to interpretation.
21:28
Speaker 4: It's all about how you read into what the Sharia
21:32
Speaker 4: law actually says.
21:33
Speaker 6: And the more.
21:33
Speaker 4: Radicals like, yes, exactly, but it still generally holds women
21:41
Speaker 4: of lesser value to men, and that is not something
21:44
Speaker 4: we should be promoting in any modern Western democratic society.
21:48
Speaker 4: And let's look at the ways that it is being
21:51
Speaker 4: interpreted in countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabian. Places like Afghanistan,
21:58
Speaker 4: people who are on faithful are publicly executed. Women need
22:04
Speaker 4: to have guardians, male guardians to go anywhere.
22:07
Speaker 6: Men can marry and have a.
22:09
Speaker 4: Number of wives legally, and they're allowed to beat and
22:13
Speaker 4: rape their wives.
22:14
Speaker 5: And if there's what you're saying, that's a bad thing.
22:15
Speaker 5: So now you've been transphobic. But it's absolutely right. And
22:20
Speaker 5: also it's a fundamental failure to understand that the whole
22:23
Speaker 5: principle of Western liberal democracy is that there is a
22:26
Speaker 5: separation between church and state. It doesn't matter how good
22:29
Speaker 5: the church is, it doesn't matter how good the church's
22:32
Speaker 5: values are. You don't have those religious values reflected in
22:35
Speaker 5: state law. Those laws are based on evidence and rationality,
22:39
Speaker 5: not based on your faith. Otherwise we would all still
22:42
Speaker 5: be members of the one true Church, which is the
22:43
Speaker 5: Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, which got it right the
22:46
Speaker 5: first time. And I still haven't forgiven everyone else for
22:49
Speaker 5: the Reformation. I'll give the Jews a bit of a
22:51
Speaker 5: pass because they were there first. Everyone else, he Johnny
22:53
Speaker 5: Come Lately is dirty prodige and you've wrecked it for everybody.
22:57
Speaker 6: Well, I had to know.
22:58
Speaker 4: I think it's funny that there's a good morning Britain.
23:01
Speaker 4: Host Adel Ray also said that the mum Danny's victory
23:06
Speaker 4: had united New Yorkers. So not only is he seeming
23:10
Speaker 4: to endorse sharia law, but the guy a journalist, is
23:13
Speaker 4: seriously misinformed himself or misinforming others, because if anything, it
23:18
Speaker 4: has divided the city.
23:20
Speaker 6: Is this next story we're going to.
23:21
Speaker 4: Talk about shows because bankers in the financial capital of
23:26
Speaker 4: the world, the Big Apple, are fleeing for their lives.
23:30
Speaker 4: Apparently this is all about a New York governor's.
23:35
Speaker 1: Their money's life.
23:36
Speaker 6: Well that is their life exactly.
23:39
Speaker 4: This is about how bankers are actually taking part in
23:43
Speaker 4: an exodus from New York and heading instead to Texas,
23:48
Speaker 4: and they're.
23:48
Speaker 1: Leaving land of the Free, the free state, the Big.
23:51
Speaker 4: Apple for the the Big Yull apparently great for yours.
23:56
Speaker 1: So that's right.
23:57
Speaker 5: So Texas has got this big thing because you know
23:59
Speaker 5: how Texas is like cooler than cool these days, like
24:01
Speaker 5: Austin is the name go to destination for celebs, and
24:06
Speaker 5: now Dallas, which you may remember from certain TV shows
24:09
Speaker 5: such as Dallas, is basically positioning itself. Say, right, New
24:16
Speaker 5: York's being run the biggest, you know, the world global
24:21
Speaker 5: capital of capitalism, is now.
24:23
Speaker 1: Being run by a socialist.
24:25
Speaker 5: He's saying he's going to tax the rich, is making
24:27
Speaker 5: a virtue of it, saying he's coming for their money.
24:29
Speaker 5: There's a massive exodusign he's saying, right, Dallas is going
24:33
Speaker 5: to be the next New York, the next you know,
24:36
Speaker 5: America's next global financial capital. And he's saying, instead of
24:40
Speaker 5: Wall Street, it's going to be Yol Street.
24:43
Speaker 6: I mean exactly, that's.
24:46
Speaker 2: And it's a super smart idea, because how can New
24:48
Speaker 2: York possibly remain the financial capital of America and of
24:53
Speaker 2: the world when it hates capital when it hates capitalism,
24:58
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a contradiction into and so, just to
25:01
Speaker 2: give you a picture of Mumdani's policies, he wants to
25:04
Speaker 2: raise the corporate tax rate by two percent more than that, sorry,
25:08
Speaker 2: seven point five percent to eleven percent, four percent, and
25:12
Speaker 2: he wants to raise the personal income tax rate by
25:15
Speaker 2: two percent.
25:16
Speaker 3: Across the board.
25:18
Speaker 2: Compare that to states like Texas and Florida where people
25:21
Speaker 2: are fleeing A lot of Texas and Florida have basically
25:24
Speaker 2: zero tax rates for companies and for personal income tax
25:28
Speaker 2: And so why wouldn't you go there? And we have
25:31
Speaker 2: a few graphs to show you as well. When you
25:33
Speaker 2: look at the jobs growth in financial services, they're all
25:39
Speaker 2: in Texas. They've added you know, thousands, around one hundred
25:43
Speaker 2: thousand jobs. That's the top bar there, and New York
25:47
Speaker 2: is way down sub twenty five thousand jobs added, and
25:51
Speaker 2: I'm sure after Mumdani takes over it's going.
25:54
Speaker 3: To be even lower. Then. The other thing that's happening.
25:57
Speaker 2: As the financial services sector is being decimated, the millionaires
26:02
Speaker 2: are also fleeing because why would you want to pay
26:04
Speaker 2: more tax? If you look at this share of millionaires,
26:07
Speaker 2: New York has lost four percent, whereas places like Florida have.
26:12
Speaker 3: Actually gone up by two point eight percent.
26:15
Speaker 2: So there is a clear migration of businesses and also
26:19
Speaker 2: personal wealth. And this is why high taxing progressive policies
26:22
Speaker 2: actually hurt people overall, because they take the jobs and
26:26
Speaker 2: the money with them.
26:27
Speaker 1: That's right.
26:27
Speaker 5: So just to be clear, that extra two percent only
26:30
Speaker 5: applies to people earning.
26:32
Speaker 1: Over a million dollars. And of course all of Maundani's comrades.
26:35
Speaker 5: Are going to say, Sae, they're rich, they've got you know,
26:37
Speaker 5: they've got enough money to be able to afford it.
26:38
Speaker 1: So yeah, but they don't have to stay.
26:41
Speaker 5: And so we are seeing when I think it's for
26:43
Speaker 5: the first time that graph that we saw from the telegraph,
26:46
Speaker 5: for the first time, the number of millionaires in New
26:49
Speaker 5: York has actually gone down for the first time. Millionaires
26:52
Speaker 5: are actually fleeing the Big Apple rather than flocking to it.
26:56
Speaker 5: And that is all because of Mamdani taking over. Now
26:59
Speaker 5: he plans to get about five four to five billion
27:02
Speaker 5: bucks out of this, you know, out of that measure.
27:06
Speaker 5: Align well, if he doesn't have as many millionaires to
27:08
Speaker 5: spend somehow, suddenly he doesn't get to raise all that money.
27:12
Speaker 1: And then what did he have to do. He has
27:13
Speaker 1: to make cuts.
27:14
Speaker 5: And then you have to cut the services for the
27:16
Speaker 5: poor people that you've made all these promises to and
27:19
Speaker 5: suddenly they don't have their state run grocery stores anymore,
27:22
Speaker 5: even though it worked so well in the Soviet.
27:24
Speaker 6: Union, you know exactly, and you know why.
27:27
Speaker 4: It's not just the bankers and the financial companies and
27:30
Speaker 4: the rich people who are leaving. There's also been an
27:34
Speaker 4: exodus of police officers. Cops don't want to serve under
27:37
Speaker 4: mum Daney because of the comments that he's made in
27:40
Speaker 4: the past talking about he doesn't want a police force
27:43
Speaker 4: and making really degrading comments about officers where he tried
27:48
Speaker 4: to walk back a bit during the campaign because he
27:50
Speaker 4: saw it was hurting him. But these officers don't want
27:53
Speaker 4: to work in a lawless society under a socialist like
27:56
Speaker 4: Mum doney.
27:57
Speaker 6: So I think this is going to be really damaging
27:59
Speaker 6: to you.
28:00
Speaker 5: And the last time, of course that there were no
28:02
Speaker 5: cops or demoralized cops, and no rich people and poverties
28:06
Speaker 5: stricken in New York was of course in the nineteen
28:10
Speaker 5: seventy and eighty when that actually it was so bad
28:13
Speaker 5: that they created the film Escape from New York because
28:16
Speaker 5: it resembled a giant concrete prison. So anyway, well done, socially,
28:20
Speaker 5: wish all the best I make. Go for your life.
28:22
Speaker 5: I'm sure, I'm sure it will work out. Five apparently
28:25
Speaker 5: last forget the last hundred years ever happened.
28:28
Speaker 1: You know, they all got it wrong. But you're going
28:30
Speaker 1: to get it right, I promise you anyway.
28:32
Speaker 5: Now, speaking of people who maybe get it right eventually,
28:36
Speaker 5: the BBC bosses have quit sensationally after the UK public
28:42
Speaker 5: broadcaster was found to have misled its viewers by doctoring
28:49
Speaker 5: a quote from Donald Trump about the January six riots
28:54
Speaker 5: on the US Capitol Building. Now, the actual directed General
28:59
Speaker 5: of the BBC, so basically the CEO, Tim Davy, said
29:04
Speaker 5: that he was quitting, that he was resigning in the
29:07
Speaker 5: middle of this huge scandal that involves their flagship Panorama program,
29:11
Speaker 5: which is like the ABC's Four Corners program. Tim Davies
29:15
Speaker 5: said that the decision to leave was entirely his decision,
29:19
Speaker 5: which anyone on TV knows means it was entirely not
29:22
Speaker 5: his decision. As well as another senior executive as well,
29:27
Speaker 5: News Chief Executive Deborah Turnus, She's resigned as well. And
29:33
Speaker 5: you will see what they actually did to Trump's speech.
29:39
Speaker 5: Trump's address ahead of the January sixth Capitol riots in
29:44
Speaker 5: twenty twenty versus what Trump actually said. So, first, let's
29:49
Speaker 5: take a look at what the BBC put to air
29:51
Speaker 5: in its and again flagship newsing Current Affairs program. What
29:56
Speaker 5: is meant to be the gold standard of trustworthiness and reliability.
30:01
Speaker 5: Have a listen, We're going to walk down to the
30:04
Speaker 5: Capital and I'll be there with you, and we fight.
30:09
Speaker 1: We fight like hell. We're going to walk down to
30:12
Speaker 1: the Capital.
30:16
Speaker 6: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
30:21
Speaker 6: congressmen and women.
30:24
Speaker 5: Row and so not only Trump just did not say
30:27
Speaker 5: we're going to fight, fight, fight exactly after that bit,
30:30
Speaker 5: they've got two completely different parts of the speech and
30:32
Speaker 5: spliced it together, but he also in other parts of
30:35
Speaker 5: the speech said it was going to be peaceful and patriotic.
30:37
Speaker 5: Now again, I think Trump's election denihalism was the worst
30:40
Speaker 5: thing he's ever done.
30:41
Speaker 1: And I didn't like what happened on January sixth one bit.
30:45
Speaker 5: But quite frankly, if you can't criticize what actually happened
30:48
Speaker 5: or deliver what actually happened as something that is not
30:53
Speaker 5: to be desirable in a democracy, and you're actually deliberately
30:57
Speaker 5: splicing it together, firstly, how do you think that no
31:00
Speaker 5: one's going to notice? And secondly, what do you think
31:04
Speaker 5: is going to happen when they do well? The BBCA
31:07
Speaker 5: has just found out it's CEO and its head of
31:10
Speaker 5: news have just been voluntarily resigned.
31:13
Speaker 2: But as they should, and it wasn't just on the
31:18
Speaker 2: Trump speech where they've been exposed as having systemic bias.
31:23
Speaker 2: I think this was really the nail in the coffin
31:25
Speaker 2: because it was so obvious and so egregious, but also
31:29
Speaker 2: their reporting of trans issues. They apparently had a special
31:32
Speaker 2: LGBTQ desk, so any story that touched those issues had
31:37
Speaker 2: to go past the gatekeepers of LGBTQ stories, who all
31:41
Speaker 2: pushed the same protrans agenda on Israel and Hamas. They
31:46
Speaker 2: of course, it add that documentary where they failed to
31:48
Speaker 2: disclose that the child narrating the documentary was actually the
31:52
Speaker 2: son of a Hamas official. So this wasn't just the
31:56
Speaker 2: only OOPSI is right, it wasn't the only instance of
31:59
Speaker 2: this happening. It's systemic, it's broad based and I'm glad
32:03
Speaker 2: to see some justice and people should know they cannot
32:06
Speaker 2: get away with.
32:06
Speaker 4: This absolutely, but they did for a long time. The
32:10
Speaker 4: BBC knew for six months about the doctoring of Trump's speeches.
32:15
Speaker 4: There were two speeches an hour apart that they spliced together,
32:19
Speaker 4: or perhaps one very long rambling speech.
32:24
Speaker 6: Probably regardless, it was obviously not right.
32:27
Speaker 4: And I just hope that this forced introspection that the
32:31
Speaker 4: BBC now has to do is replicated here in Australia
32:35
Speaker 4: with the ABC, because this is far from a problem
32:39
Speaker 4: just with the British Public broadcast. We very much have
32:41
Speaker 4: this problem here. And Boris Johnson, the former UK Prime
32:45
Speaker 4: Minister wrote a column in the past couple of days
32:48
Speaker 4: saying he doesn't want to pay his licensing fees anymore.
32:51
Speaker 4: For the BBC, they have to pay the equivalent of
32:54
Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty.
32:55
Speaker 6: Dollars a year to get the BBC open televienon. You'd
32:59
Speaker 6: imagine can.
33:00
Speaker 4: You imagine if people here do? I know, we're paying
33:03
Speaker 4: it through our taxes for this one billion dollar bat
33:06
Speaker 4: you know, giant that is the ABC. But if we
33:09
Speaker 4: actually had to pay three hundred people a.
33:11
Speaker 2: Year, I wish we did have the option to pay
33:13
Speaker 2: a license because then I'm sure a lot of Australians
33:16
Speaker 2: would simply refuse to.
33:18
Speaker 3: But it's not just at the.
33:19
Speaker 2: BBC where weird media things are going on. A Current
33:23
Speaker 2: Affair has interviewed notorious sex worker Bonnie Blue, who famously
33:29
Speaker 2: claimed she's slept with a thousand men in a day.
33:32
Speaker 2: But awkwardly, they use this as an opportunity to plug
33:36
Speaker 2: their adults only version of the program exclusively available on stand.
33:42
Speaker 2: Very strange, but have a look at a clip from
33:44
Speaker 2: the interview. I always say do whatever you want to do,
33:49
Speaker 2: do what you enjoy, like if you don't want to
33:50
Speaker 2: do a crazy with your husband.
33:52
Speaker 1: But he wants to do it, I'll do it, no problem.
33:55
Speaker 8: But to get how wrong that how wrong that sounds
33:58
Speaker 8: to so many people you're giving this option to. I mean,
34:02
Speaker 8: there's got to be something. There's got to be a
34:04
Speaker 8: sanctity to marriage.
34:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, but that option is down. They probably
34:08
Speaker 1: just doing it behind your back and not telling you.
34:10
Speaker 2: That does sound very wrong. But what also sounds very
34:13
Speaker 2: wrong is a Current Affair plugging the adults only version
34:17
Speaker 2: of the program as a way to flog subscriptions. I
34:20
Speaker 2: don't think that's particularly great either, Well.
34:22
Speaker 4: They add, so what happened is they ran this interview
34:25
Speaker 4: on a Current Affair where I used to be a
34:27
Speaker 4: reporter and producer, so I know how it works.
34:29
Speaker 6: Cross promos are normal.
34:31
Speaker 4: I think it's fair that they interviewed her. She's due
34:34
Speaker 4: to come to the Gold Coast. She's trying to fight
34:37
Speaker 4: the courts on this and try to sleep with as
34:40
Speaker 4: many eighteen year old boys as she can, which is
34:42
Speaker 4: repulsive in itself, so I think it's fair to interrogate
34:45
Speaker 4: her ideas.
34:46
Speaker 6: And Ali Langdon is a great journalist. But then what happened.
34:50
Speaker 4: At nine is that they promoted this adults only version
34:54
Speaker 4: of the interviews on its to pay platforms STAN with
34:59
Speaker 4: the title Ali Langdon going depot of Bonnie Blue.
35:03
Speaker 6: I mean, could there be a more pornographic plot?
35:06
Speaker 5: I know, And this is where it is, I have
35:08
Speaker 5: to say, really really disappointing because I went and watched
35:11
Speaker 5: the special edition non stand and there was no poll
35:13
Speaker 5: in there whatsoever.
35:14
Speaker 2: So we're talking about but there is a genuine question here.
35:19
Speaker 2: I do understand that obviously, as journalists, you have an
35:22
Speaker 2: obligation to cover the stories that are shaping a day.
35:25
Speaker 2: But this is Bonnie Blue's whole business model. This is
35:28
Speaker 2: how she makes money. She makes money off platforming outrageous stuff.
35:33
Speaker 3: So a current affair, they should also.
35:35
Speaker 2: Interview people who've left the sex industry, who've been scarred
35:38
Speaker 2: for life by it, not just present this positive rosy people.
35:41
Speaker 6: I don't think they presented.
35:42
Speaker 4: They didn't do a puff piece on her, but I
35:45
Speaker 4: do think it's better in terrogating, and I don't think
35:47
Speaker 4: you always need to have someone who's lives.
35:49
Speaker 5: And also, I mean think about people in the sex
35:52
Speaker 5: work industry. I mean, they are on a huge amount
35:53
Speaker 5: of pressure, their jobs are getting taken over by AI.
35:56
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough out there.
35:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bonnie, she's really doing it tough. Just make sure
36:02
Speaker 2: your sons don't go anywhere near her at schoolies, that's
36:05
Speaker 2: for sure.
36:06
Speaker 3: But coming up after the break.
36:07
Speaker 2: In the papers, we're going to tell you about how
36:10
Speaker 2: Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner secretly asked if there was any
36:15
Speaker 2: way they could intervene to stop the reappointment of the
36:19
Speaker 2: UN Special Commissioner on Women's Rights.
36:22
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Welcome back to the program.
36:31
Speaker 2: Let's get into tomorrow's papers, starting with The Australian, where
36:35
Speaker 2: the headline is partisan ambush. PM Punch's Ancient Tories Anthony
36:41
Speaker 2: Albanezi has attacked the removal of GoF Whitlam's Labor government
36:44
Speaker 2: as an illegitimate partisan political ambush hatched by Conservative forces
36:50
Speaker 2: in a dramatic History Wars intervention. On the eve of
36:54
Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of the dismissal a head of Governor
36:58
Speaker 2: General Sam Mustin clarifying her position on reserve powers and
37:02
Speaker 2: that the definition of responsible government was no wider than
37:06
Speaker 2: it was for her predecessors, the Prime Minister delivered a
37:09
Speaker 2: scathing assessment of John Kerr's decision to sack the Whitlam government.
37:15
Speaker 2: Interesting intervention there, Caroline by the Prime Minister. Obviously tomorrow
37:19
Speaker 2: night on Sky News at seven thirty pm, we've got
37:22
Speaker 2: our own documentary airing all about the dismissal, where we're
37:27
Speaker 2: going to go through everything.
37:29
Speaker 3: But that is very pomo by the way, great cross.
37:32
Speaker 1: Promo was very realized. I thought, man, this is just
37:36
Speaker 1: great content.
37:37
Speaker 4: Very bold from the Prime Minister though it is, But
37:39
Speaker 4: I guess this is the time to do it.
37:41
Speaker 6: If you're going to.
37:42
Speaker 4: Speak out about this is when there's.
37:45
Speaker 6: Been a lot of focus.
37:47
Speaker 1: Broadly held opinion in the Australian Labor Party. I have
37:49
Speaker 1: to say.
37:50
Speaker 6: I mean, we're know not surprises on that side on.
37:53
Speaker 4: This issue, but yeah, fifty anniversay, guess is the time
37:59
Speaker 4: to him to speak out and have those views widely hurt.
38:02
Speaker 5: I mean, I think was a disgraceful intervention by the GG,
38:07
Speaker 5: and it's since been I think pretty much universally agreed
38:11
Speaker 5: that at the very least the GG should have warned
38:14
Speaker 5: Whitlam that he was about to do it, not ambushed
38:18
Speaker 5: him with it, as the PM said, while the Opposition
38:21
Speaker 5: leader Malcolm Fraser was I believe hiding in a cupboard
38:25
Speaker 5: at Yara Lumla. Correct me if my history's a bit
38:28
Speaker 5: off there, but I'm pretty sure if anyone's hiding in
38:31
Speaker 5: a back room somewhere ready to be sprung out born
38:33
Speaker 5: in as Prime Minister, then you're probably not doing things
38:37
Speaker 5: above the board. I'm not sure if you know, sir John,
38:39
Speaker 5: might have been a little bit, might have been after lunch,
38:41
Speaker 5: so it might have been a little you know before Well.
38:44
Speaker 2: It was vindicated at the next election where Fraser won overwhelmingly,
38:48
Speaker 2: but it will be interesting to see the documentary tomorrow night.
38:51
Speaker 2: Also in the Australian Tomorrow transplot to have un official acts,
38:56
Speaker 2: Australia's underfire sex discrimination Commissioner and A Cody secretly queried
39:02
Speaker 2: whether any influence could be used to block the reappointment
39:06
Speaker 2: of a senior UN human rights official who had strongly
39:10
Speaker 2: opposed radical trans ideology and who sought to intervene against
39:14
Speaker 2: the landmark sex discrimination case brought by trans woman Roxan Tickle.
39:20
Speaker 2: In an internal email to Australian Human Rights Commissioner Chief
39:24
Speaker 2: Executive Leanne Smith, obtained by The Australian under freedom of
39:28
Speaker 2: information laws, doctor Cody criticizes the UN special Rapporteur on
39:33
Speaker 2: Violence against Women, reim Al Salam over her intervention on
39:38
Speaker 2: trans women and their rights. The article then goes on
39:41
Speaker 2: to say doctor Cody asked miss Smith whether they had
39:46
Speaker 2: any way of basically intervening at a global level to
39:50
Speaker 2: stop her reappointment. Now you'll remember from earlier in the
39:54
Speaker 2: show we discussed that top UN official who finally, in
39:58
Speaker 2: a remarkable move from the U s u N was
40:00
Speaker 2: actually speaking some sense and set and criticizing the case
40:05
Speaker 2: being brought by the trans breastfeeding man. Well, this is
40:10
Speaker 2: the un official that our sex discrimination commissioner, who allegedly
40:14
Speaker 2: is supposed to stand up for the rights of women.
40:18
Speaker 3: That's the person they want to sack.
40:20
Speaker 4: She yeah, I mean this. The un special Rappert is
40:23
Speaker 4: actually amazing. I mentioned at the beginning of the show.
40:25
Speaker 4: She seems to be the only sensible person in the UN.
40:27
Speaker 4: She actually welcomed Trump's executive order to keep men and
40:32
Speaker 4: boys out of women and girls sport. She is really
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Speaker 4: pro women and girls sex based rights. Compare that to
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Speaker 4: our sex discrimination commissioner who cannot define what.
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Speaker 6: A biological manner.
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Speaker 4: She actually said this in a Senate Estimates committee.
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Speaker 6: I mean in a Senate Committee hasn't met me yet,
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Speaker 6: oh Jo, I think she'd be.
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Speaker 4: No, But I mean, clearly this is saying and she's
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Speaker 4: been exposed as trying to meddle into this because she
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Speaker 4: doesn't agree with these episods, and.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing, and it really gets to me.
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Speaker 5: And again I've known, I've been on the left and
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Speaker 5: sin seeing these are just people who don't think. They
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Speaker 5: just think, well, we're absolutely right and anyone who deviates
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Speaker 5: from this is a hate criminal and therefore we have
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Speaker 5: to correct them, and I should reveal I guess for
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Speaker 5: the sake of transparency that I'm also in secret talks
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Speaker 5: with the Tasmanian government about whether they can stop the
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Speaker 5: war in Ukraine. So I know we've all got our
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Speaker 5: barrow to bush.
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Speaker 3: But the irony is just what I cannot get over.
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Speaker 3: You've got our.
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Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination Commissioner trying to find a way of secretly
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Speaker 2: we can stop the UN Special Rapper Tour on women's
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Speaker 2: rights from being a pointer because she dares does question
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Speaker 2: trans ideology.
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Speaker 3: Mind blowing stuff.
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Speaker 2: But also another hit for the Left in the Australian Tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: Green's humiliated expelled co founder reinstated to party expelled. Australian
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Speaker 2: Green's co founder Drew will have his life membership reinstated
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Speaker 2: under a deal proposed by the party's Queensland division, recognizing
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Speaker 2: he was wrongly marched for questioning its pro transgender platform.
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Speaker 2: In a humiliation for the Queensland Greens, their own lawyers
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Speaker 2: found these seventy eight year old had been denied natural
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Speaker 2: justice during the internal disciplinary proceedings that led to his expulsion,
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Speaker 2: a process backed by federal leader Larissa Waters, his one
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Speaker 2: time friend. I mean, this was the most extraordinary thing
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Speaker 2: when the co founder of the Greens got expelled from
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Speaker 2: the party for daring to question the trans.
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Speaker 5: Wrong think, madness, wrong think. He thought wrong and he
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Speaker 5: had to be punished.
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Speaker 3: He exactly Rands.
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Speaker 4: So the interesting thing about that, the whole gender ideology
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Speaker 4: debate is it isn't traditionally a right or left issue,
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Speaker 4: and you have sensible people on both sides seeing how
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Speaker 4: how much lunacy there is in this, and when someone
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Speaker 4: like Drew Hutton, who comes from the hard left can
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Speaker 4: see how crazy it is and have common sense and
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Speaker 4: be expelled from the Greens for that, it shows you
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Speaker 4: how far off the planetard.
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Speaker 5: But also because for and again I was listening to
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Speaker 5: some talk about this ever since the French Revolution. Basically,
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Speaker 5: the left has to keep like a shark. It has
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Speaker 5: to keep moving because it has to because it defines
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Speaker 5: itself as the position of protests, and the Greens to
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Speaker 5: find themselves a party of protests.
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Speaker 1: So after each kind of.
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Speaker 5: Progressive victory, you've got to find the next frontier to
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Speaker 5: fight on. And of course what you have to do
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Speaker 5: then is expel anyone who isn't with you in that fight,
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Speaker 5: because clearly they're not left wing enough, and if you're sensible,
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Speaker 5: bring out the guillotine and just chop their heads off
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Speaker 5: so they can't come back.
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Speaker 1: But they haven't done this with Drew Hutton. He can
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Speaker 1: come back.
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Speaker 5: I can restate his life membership, but will he take it?
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Speaker 5: Says he have to if Green say you're a life
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Speaker 5: member again, whether you like it or not, I mean
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Speaker 5: he he's been hypocritical to it on principle.
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Speaker 6: He needs to have a chat to Jimmy Kimmel's wife.
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Speaker 1: I know I would not do it.
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Speaker 5: I would make them beg for it, and then once
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Speaker 5: they'd thrown everything at it and offered me everything, I'd say, actually, no,
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Speaker 5: you can go and get rid anyway. I want to
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Speaker 5: do the greatest newspaper in the world, The Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 5: says new home buy scheme setting off a rise, experts
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Speaker 5: fanning the flames. The Albaneza government has been accused of
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Speaker 5: adding fuel quote unquote to an already blazing housing market
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Speaker 5: after its expanded first Home by scheme last month launched
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Speaker 5: a wave of panic buying and a double tap to
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Speaker 5: the housing crisis started shows the first month of the
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Speaker 5: supercharge guarantee scheme led to spikes across the real estate market,
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Speaker 5: while the Australian Bureau of Statistics Housing report shows some
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Speaker 5: city councils are lagging more than seventy percent behind their
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Speaker 5: housing approval target. So to take home messages, there one
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Speaker 5: Sydney Council's a pack full of nimbis who are trying
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Speaker 5: to sabotage the state and federal government's efforts to stem
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Speaker 5: the housing crisis. And two great news for Sydney homeowners.
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Speaker 5: Your house has just gone up in value. Another victory
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Speaker 5: for the oven easy label.
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Speaker 6: You not rerenches or people wanting to get into the market.
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Speaker 4: Though Canberra Times has a story sick to death of division,
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Speaker 4: it's about the new Act opposition leader Mark Parton. He's
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Speaker 4: vowed to unite unify the Canberra Liberals after Leanne Castley
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Speaker 4: announced that she was resigning as leader yesterday morning. Now
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Speaker 4: how long was she actually leader for? Five minutes?
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Speaker 3: A couple months smacks well.
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Speaker 6: Apparently he's going to denite the party. I don't think
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Speaker 6: it's going.
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Speaker 1: To take this trust lightning speed.
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Speaker 6: Exactly in the act.
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Speaker 4: They're perpetually going to be going to be an opposition
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Speaker 4: and that hard left progressive.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
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Speaker 2: Mark Putton's actually pretty cool. He's got a big TikTok
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Speaker 2: following and I think he was a radio presenter down
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, so that could be great.
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Speaker 3: And in the Mercury tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Happily never after nearly fifty couples left at the Altar
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Speaker 2: by popular venue. It's meant to be the happiest days
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Speaker 2: of their lives, but four dozen chazzy couples upcoming nuptials
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Speaker 2: are in limbo after a Hobart venue informed that they'd
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Speaker 2: either have to cancel or reduce their guest list just
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Speaker 2: days out from their big wedding. I actually know someone
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Speaker 2: their wedding venue went bust two weeks before their wedding and.
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Speaker 3: They were in a lurch. Absolutely terrible stuff.
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Speaker 2: But coming up after the break, dingos could be reclassified
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Speaker 2: as domestic pets. How would you like one of those
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Speaker 2: frolicking with your little kvoodle in the park?
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Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, welcome back to the program. Well,
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Speaker 2: Queensland's biosecurity laws are being reviewed and there is a
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Speaker 2: push to reclassify dingos so that you can keep them
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Speaker 2: as domestic pets. Dingos, they're currently considered an invasive species,
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Speaker 2: so you can't keep them, feed them, release them back
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Speaker 2: into the environment, nothing at all.
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Speaker 3: They're treated the same as foxes or rabbits.
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Speaker 2: But how would you like to see one of these
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Speaker 2: with your little kvoodle?
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Speaker 3: Or dash down?
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Speaker 4: Not only work close to my kids? I mean, what
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Speaker 4: would Linda Chamberlain say about this? I didn't go ate
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Speaker 4: her baby.
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Speaker 6: I know we can't. I mean, we have.
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Speaker 4: Enough problems in this country with dangerous breeds of dogs
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Speaker 4: being kept not properly by their owners or trained properly,
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Speaker 4: and mauling and killing children especially.
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Speaker 6: But even they're their foreign.
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Speaker 3: Species, should not be able to keep them.
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Speaker 2: They're basically Australian wolves.
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Speaker 5: The friends of the dingo, or at least a part dingo.
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Speaker 5: I think friends neighbors have got like a dog.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure, as I'm sure there are some places where
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Speaker 4: they're allowed or at least mixed. Yeah, until they moul
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Speaker 4: you or steal your baby while you're sleeping.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking of that. Dogs of foreign dogs.
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Speaker 6: No, I don't know about that.
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Speaker 4: Look, this is equally crazy, I would say. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I know a lot of people love running out there,
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Speaker 4: but apparently the run club scene has become so intense
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Speaker 4: in Bondi that it is annoying a lot of locals.
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Speaker 4: This is a video that was taken at six am
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Speaker 4: at sunrise the crack of dawn in Bondi Beach where
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Speaker 4: hundreds it looks like, of runners that are part of
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Speaker 4: this run club, Sydney run Club.
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Speaker 6: It meets twice a week.
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Speaker 4: To look, I think fun and run do not deserve
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Speaker 4: to be in the same sentence.
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Speaker 6: That looks like a lightmare to me. But apparently just think.
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Speaker 5: About the spiritual release of just being you know, you
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Speaker 5: and nature and eight hundred of.
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Speaker 2: Your closest Yeah, and it's six am.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's just put something wrong. What people should be
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Speaker 5: doing instead? If they really want to improve their health
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Speaker 5: is drinking. That's right.
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Speaker 1: There's been a new study that has.
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Speaker 5: Found that heavy drinking in youth may aid your career,
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Speaker 5: Sess and I would just like to personally say, it's
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Speaker 5: about time that science caught up with me.
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Speaker 6: It's in the youth, Jo, It's not in middleweight.
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Speaker 5: No I no, no, But you've got to drink in
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Speaker 5: your youth to have the success in middle age.
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Speaker 1: And again, all I can say is.
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Speaker 2: If you're the pin up for heavy drinking, count me out.
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Speaker 2: It's been great to be with you this evening. That's
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Speaker 2: all for the Late of eight tonight. Coming up next
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Speaker 2: is the Arena Pani Show.