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Jadel Legere: Tomboy to Pink Power | Soca Hustle & Building Her Empire | The Corie Sheppard Podcast · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:01
  Corie: Welcome to Cory Shepard Podcast.
• 0:03
  Corie: My name is Corey Shepard, according to David Wales.
• 0:06
  Corie: Thank you for everybody who's been tuning in.
• 0:07
  Corie: We had to remind people that this is our audio platform.
• 0:09
  Corie: We have Patreon.
• 0:10
  Corie: We have merch.
• 0:11
  Corie: David, tell me all the things we had to remind people about this start.
• 0:13
  Corie: Going to it.
• 0:14
  Corie: Good.
• 0:14
  Corie: Yeah.
• 0:15
  Corie: I had to remind my wife that I have tinklets on my face for a reason, it's with great reason.
• 0:19
  Corie: We look forward to the guests that we have today.
• 0:21
  Corie: J Leg, how you're going to?
• 0:23
  Corie: Ma'am.
• 0:25
  Corie: David, I'm doing some more work boys.
• 0:27
  Corie: It's true.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: If I look in Shranny, just say so that.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if I look like a tradie.
• 0:33
  Corie: Just pretend that never happened.
• 0:35
  Corie: But if they see you overworking my next place.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: The truth came out.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm afraid my wife.
• 0:43
  Corie: Afraid my wife bad with this pink little.
• 0:45
  Corie: We have with us today, Miss Jadel Jill.
• 0:48
  Corie: How are you?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: I am fine.
• 0:50
  Corie: You good?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: I am good, yes.
• 0:51
  Corie: Looking fine.
• 0:52
  Corie: Pinked out.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Pink is the code right now for me.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Pink is the code?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:56
  Corie: Oh, you know, the team has something they intelligent.
• 0:58
  Corie: Pink is the code.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:00
  Corie: This interview could be out of here.
• 1:01
  Corie: You know, we launching political party and things.
• 1:03
  Corie: I want to start at the spot.
• 1:05
  Corie: Kakam here look well doled up and well taken care of as always.
• 1:09
  Corie: People talk about that, right?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yes, they do, but um, you know, I do my stuff on my own.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I make sure that I have I do my hair um for most performances, for most, I mean, it doesn't be all that put together because yeah, so I mean it is I do come out and you know I look and I look pre-sensible, then I'm gonna come my lucky stars because you know, yeah.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm basically a one-man show.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: I try to get everything done um to the best of my ability by myself.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm still, you know, trying to get my team and stuff.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be grateful when I get a makeup party and a hairdresser, which would be very rare.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: So when you see my jumping out, you're gonna see me doing it on my own.
• 1:57
  Corie: Well, you're feeling special, we're feeling special.
• 1:58
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:58
  Corie: But the last time I see you was on a solo mission, you know.
• 2:01
  Corie: Who make a grapple down a hill in the army thing?
• 2:03
  Corie: What was happening?
• 2:05
  Corie: What caused that?
• 2:06
  Corie: What went on?
• 2:07
  Corie: How it was?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they called me and they said, you know, let us do an ummy ad, which is, I am thinking, you know, I come in to sing.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: If your man he does where you go army fets, you know, I don't rehearse my lines.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I end up there.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I end up, you know, what is the name of it?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um today.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Coming on in the months.
• 2:29
  Corie: Like grappling down?
• 2:30
  Corie: Yes, that's so what they do, they teach you how to do it and to give it to the stuff.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Some trills, some um, you know, one-on-one short course so that we will know, you know, spell um, you know, self-defense.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um flip a few men.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: I flip a few men.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm gonna do it.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know I'd know.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know I was capable of it, but you know, flip me asked a certain question, they're capable now.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Some men and I feel an invincible right now.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, how she name and stuff, you know.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:02
  Corie: If you can flip a man, you can flip out.
• 3:04
  Corie: But it's not coming down the thing, though.
• 3:06
  Corie: If I uh it was funny, it was funny, it was funny.
• 3:08
  Corie: I mean, I mean, really do some work with the promotion.
• 3:12
  Corie: I just talked to you about more social media things because I want to know what happened on Valentine's Day.
• 3:16
  Corie: You get the booking and thing.
• 3:17
  Corie: I see you say people asking you for certain kind of booking.
• 3:20
  Corie: Yes, you know what I mean.
• 3:21
  Corie: I tell my wife I say, but if this is our option, I don't know, but I wasn't brave enough to place any comments.
• 3:25
  Corie: But I see one Marshall Montano saying, Yes, Valentine's Day, he would like you to come and perform for him and Mrs.
• 3:33
  Corie: Montano.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then you meet but you know, accent for a friend after, but we all know.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: But um, to be honest, um, I have been getting these type of requests.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this is not the first time it has happened.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was performing in an event, and um, I saw this couple watching me, and they're looking like they're madly in love.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm uh I was taken back because I was like, normally when I'm performing, females set up themselves and they set up their face and they watch the man one time as I come on stage.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: As I come on stage, there was like and and the and and the man had to be on the phone looking, whatever.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can see why he was the thing glittering.
• 4:16
  Corie: Man can be in trouble.
• 4:17
  Corie: Right?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: So they be upset.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's a time I told this, was in um Belize, I think I have it up on social media.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: I saw the man blocking his face and he um and you doing so, and whatever.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the girl turned around.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I started to shake my boom see.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: When I shake, she turned around and you do so.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: Smart man, wise, wise, wise, and she watched him so like you're better.
• 4:43
  Corie: So them requests coming, people are asking you couples.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so we move to that.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I saw this couple, which was rare, that is into me.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh my god, the man is doing and she doing as like A.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, they made their way to backstage, right?
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_00: They told me that they are huge fans, they love me, they love my music, and they just have my music up, a particular song in particular, yeah, right?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Me, my music videos up while while they're doing the arm.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: While they're doing the hanky, yeah, hanky panky of all that, yeah.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they went so far as to say that the anniversary is coming up, special occasion, yes, and they will it will give them no better pleasure than to give me a hefty amount, right?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if I want to even see how much.
• 5:38
  Corie: I want to know the amount people want to know.
• 5:40
  Corie: This is what people want to find.
• 5:41
  Corie: What is the press?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was 25,000.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're gonna budget, yes, and that is a lot for me because we could never charge nowhere close to that.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot for big artists and them price, you understand?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just to sing um the favorite song.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's just to sing, just to sing in the bedroom.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: They say I'm not going to be participating, but they want me to look shaky, you know.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: And um I sing and they do the hanky panky, and I watch them.
• 6:12
  Corie: Well, that's private people's business, right?
• 6:14
  Corie: So I don't want to ask if you do it or not.
• 6:15
  Corie: But I want to ask if Marshall Richards does the booking because I want to know if it has a kind of way, you know.
• 6:20
  Corie: I had to ask Marshall if it have an OnlyFans coming out because I might want to see the performance.
• 6:24
  Corie: I want to open for the public.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody was for it.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody was for it.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: They say, girl, don't be dumb.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Take that booking, go to security, you understand?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Real people doing that and stuff, and this is not the first time it has other people that came, but they didn't come with no hefty among, but they just came and say they would just love me to be present.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is about me.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: And like, what do I put three out there?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: For me to be the chosen one, right?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if there's other people.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, the thing about it is, right?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is a topic about, you know, me being over over shakeshi over there, right?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yes, like yeah, that's at a two, and you know, I need to tune it on a bit and stuff.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, at a point, I I look back and I say I agree, right?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now, um, I used to jump out myself with um body suits, right?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And the body suits would be accentuating form and so on, you know.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that was it, right?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: And now I am not shaped um athletic, I'm more like the voluptuous type, the big booty type.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's real.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay, right.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's real.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: No BBR, just letting you just putting it out there because that's our next um topic that oh my god, of course.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: They don't believe that I never did any works.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: One minute you people who really paying attention to me would realize how I am struggling a lot.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: One minute I blowing up, one minute I hiding my stomach, one minute I looking like Absie, one minute I hiding my stomach again, one minute I hunt one minute I hunting on photographers.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: I say take on take down that footage, but by the looking big, you understand?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: I real, I rail particular, but if I I wish, I wish, to be honest, I could one day two weeks on my um on my body.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: But on I mean 25,000.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: If it is I um, you know, punting on photographers to to pull down this footage, you know, with my belly looking big there and whatever I'm like, you know, I may might as well, but I honestly have a fear for going under the knife.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just thinking my luck may not be having you know little stories, you know, about people in waking up and stuff have a daughter to live for.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: That is basically why I never really went and venture.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have a fear.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: I am a scary cat where I'm gonna do it.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: That might be why we adventure now.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: I even want, I have never done uh a surgery like for medical reasons, no.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I was never put to sleep.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I have a fear for that.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I have I don't think I won't even be put asleep for any surgery.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean go to bed.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's all real, and I am struggling.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just need to tune up and go to the gym more and stuff.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: But the booty is a bit uh much, you know, and I am sometimes uncomfortable with it.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I am uncomfortable with my big booty because I just feel that it's just a bit too much.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: And um I had an ex that told me they put me down and told me that no man didn't want to see anybody looking out of proportion.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: You see, I'm out of proportion with my big booty, and that's not that men wouldn't want to write.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but uh understand why we understand my we don't know.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: But they used to roll, they used to roll, put me down and make me feel less than myself by saying you need to lose weight, go on a diet and um put on the bread, put on whatever.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: I understand they we check in for my weight, but they used to be on my booty.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um feel, don't feel a looking girl with that big butt.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, nobody likes that.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: You no man in go and wifey with that.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: They just want to see a four whatever, and that is it.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: A man really wants a nice, petite, athletic built, structured, proportioned woman.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Some many, you know, if you should guess I'm gonna say, I see every bread has his cheese, you understand?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: So he used to make me believe that me having this big butt to feel you something.
• 10:28
  Corie: But listen, some say your own self-esteem and the way you see any sort of thing, is blending things, but you know, that's a lot of you back.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you do, I'm human.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, I would.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I remember I was in school, um, and I don't know my booty was.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know nothing about having that big booty.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was not aware that my booty was big, and I was that was like five reverse junior sec.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Pronounced.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, pronounced.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And when I go into school, it was it was a class party, and I put on my outfits, and everybody turned and said, Oh, good, and and Santa renamed me the big bottom reds, right?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I did this is the first time I experienced of the world because my mom had me so sheltered with seven days at the end of the year.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right, real religious and covered and stuff like that.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: So when I put on my little pants and it was nothing revealing, um, uh just a little jeans, and the way I I feel so shame.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: I feel so shame.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was so ashamed, I almost cried.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the toilet and locked myself in the bathroom and did not come out for the rest of the time because I didn't understand the attention that I was getting from it.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't it wasn't a good feeling to me.
• 11:41
  Corie: Yeah, you understand?
• 11:42
  Corie: But the thing is, as an artist, and you you it is the other reason is call things assets.
• 11:46
  Corie: I don't know if it's a good word or not.
• 11:47
  Corie: Yeah.
• 11:48
  Corie: But when you look at the way you present yourself, you may like I never really see him not looking like J DLD star.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, so come cutting back to that when I was feeling embarrassed and whatever, I started to feel so less of myself and I realized that you know, this is you, yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: I even went and hear that J-Lo reduced her butt.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I was saying, I couldn't do something like that.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because I understand how she felt.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I heard about J Lo reducing her butt, and I was saying I am going to do something like that.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: But then when I realized that, okay, apparently this is becoming a thing where people doing their butts to get it big.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, well, maybe there's my day my era now.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's my time to shine, you understand?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I say no number claim, embrace myself because I've always been dumb on myself.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've always been having um self-esteem issues.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have a problem with my nose, have a problem with my face, I have a problem with my body, um, too thick, I always want to lose weight.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: If I get too skinny, people say too skinny head looking big, so you're thinking on that?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because it's like I want to lose your weight, everybody's saying I'm dying suit here.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: When I when I when I have weight on, they say, no God, they need to lose weight.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I'm too big.
• 13:03
  Corie: Gotcha.
• 13:03
  Corie: But I want to come back to that because if I don't start to pink glitter and we talk about too much booty, my wife, we go get a sleep.
• 13:09
  Corie: You can say you put me in no problems, no.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 13:12
  Corie: This is something.
• 13:13
  Corie: Stand by another man.
• 13:14
  Corie: Yeah.
• 13:14
  Corie: I don't like them kind of advice other woman getting.
• 13:17
  Corie: No, the thing about it is the male is what's behind it.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, the thing about it is, right?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a female, so that's the reason why I'm speaking on the females.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that I'm um putting on meals or want to, because I know somewhere, somewhere, there's a good meal out.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Somewhere, there's a good meal out there.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, I don't know where.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I don't know how far I have to search.
• 13:40
  Corie: But somewhere.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: It must have one.
• 13:43
  Corie: In Trinidad or I don't know.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't even know if in Trinidad it exists.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I remember going on TikTok because I say, you know what?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: I need to join TikTok because TikTok is where the where the action is.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on and scroll in, and all I see, and I don't know if my algorithm put me there because of how I feel.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like I will, in the past, always have a heartbreak, always have a tap anchor.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Always like a happy moment will get um will get crushed by a meal.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just by entertaining a meal, and I will be so upset because where I put myself in this for, you know, to entertain a meal, and then I don't have the capability to, you know, entertain two and three others at the same time.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll gravitate to one person.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: If it is interesting, somebody I don't see nobody else for that person.
• 14:36
  Corie: So that means Red Woman ever say that in this world.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you understand?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: By entertaining this one person and putting my all my eggs in that basket and my heart and my soul, and then they just go in and crush you like it's in style.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: They crushing you like it's a style, you understand?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I remember my happiest moment.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I always remember this.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: The first time I ever get airplay.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's supposed to be the happiest moment.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's uh we start for artists.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: You you hear your first song on radio, um, playing, by crush.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was not, I was stripped of that opportunity, that moment, and I crying in bed over a man.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: When everybody says, Girl, you're something on the radio.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't get over this man for nothing.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I say, God, Father, help me.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to church.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: I go to all kinds of places.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I pray.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: I like I try to go out with my friends and I enjoying it.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just they just happen, they're happy and I say, Look, how are they happy?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: How do I reach to this place?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: How do I get happy?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be happy too, you know.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I want to enjoy my moments, and it was all stripped.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: I had law, I was studying law.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: I had a law exam.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: This man coasted me on the day I was studying the day before.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Long replay is late replies.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is what late replies cause and cause me to almost feel my exam because I decided I couldn't take it no more.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Fresh enough.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to go and sleep because when I wake up, I want to hope that he reads the message.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice, nice.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I want to pass the time.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I instead I look to pick up my book and study.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: I am being bothered by late replies.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: You're left on right.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: I am like, no way this is happening.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I go into my law exams and I care function, and I rush in the law exam because I want to see the messages I study in this man.
• 16:51
  Corie: As if law exam not bad enough.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it likes to understand, exactly.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I realize that me, they always say red woman bad.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where they get us from because how could I be bad?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: A red woman crying over a man.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 17:10
  Corie: Well, you say it must have one good man somewhere.
• 17:12
  Corie: So maybe it's a one good red woman.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I know myself, when I go with someone, I don't see no other.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see no other.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: No matter what, you can come, you can put whoever um celeb, crush in front of my face.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: That person oakly, you know.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: That person's in Oakley, because the best looking person in the world is your person.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is my person, right?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: And when it is, I reached that height and they mess up, I am crushed.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, all right, I don't know if my algorithm um knows that of me.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they just know.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: You Google the just no, you know.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe what it is, yes.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on TikTok, I'll scroll in, I seen ones that are heartbroken.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I say, oh my god, look, look, my peoples.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, my people, you know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I find a tribe.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: The heartbroken woman over there, okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I sleep at night.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh gosh, look, let us join this community.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right, and I seen them saying, help me, help me, help me get over him.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I say, girl, I I was on there, I feel you.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the common section, the start, I say, yeah, thing I given how I get over this man and what were the fun stuff.
• 18:26
  Corie: So you giving advice?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I give an advice because I found the way to get over the man.
• 18:31
  Corie: Well, we had a no man.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, I'm not saying to rebound, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying to rebound, road bond.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's like when you're forcing somebody fast.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, find somebody fast and you're forcing yourself to just go on this um person just to use this person to get over somebody.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when I get the heartbroke, the heartbreak, and I healed, which takes my whole year to heal.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I said, no way I am going to ever um allow myself to just be on one person ever again, right?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm going to entertain two or three, I'm not saying be, you understand?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: This is the solution.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying physically.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying physically go, right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when you're dating, do not just date that one person.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: You have another backup and have another backup.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: So let's have the backup there, just in case.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you're and you're getting to know everybody.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's no restrictions to me in getting to know different people and may the best man win, right?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: When I did that and I had three, and I had three, I had no heartbreak because at the end of the day, because at the end of the day, right, the moment that person gave me a late reply, I'll talk to the next one one time.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And you can do your long exam in peace.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I can record my song in peace.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: And because all them time when I struggling with music and it hits him, it's a man.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's a man.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: So and from time I start to see my way is because I know that I could see through the nonsense from the time a man because I you're no longer so much infested because you know this person here if they mess up.
• 20:22
  Corie: So the mask.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Your replacement is near.
• 20:24
  Corie: That means the song says if you if you if you're mandolin, you know where you stand.
• 20:28
  Corie: So it's weather, you know where you stand, you're standing by two other men just in case.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, exactly.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, let me tell you something, right?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: When the mandola you know where you stand, you don't even have to be in a relationship to know the red flags.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: You need to know you could be able to do that.
• 20:42
  Corie: Yeah, what do you mean by know where you stand?
• 20:43
  Corie: What do they know where you stand?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right, know where you stand is all right, the moment you start dating this person and they realize you can't plan a dates, they tell you, okay, like we say um, they want to give you a first date, and they tell you come and go buy the house.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is one.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 20:59
  Corie: Sounds great to you.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds great to you.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Stand by another man.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: One time.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Two, if this man, I had a hard day of work and I my back hurting and I in a mess.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and this man is trying to sweep me off my feet, right?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, you say, Let me take you to this spa.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: You say, Let me come home by you and give you a good massage.
• 21:23
  Corie: Sounds great.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Stand by another man because you know what he's telling you, he wanna do.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Plain and clear, and most men doing that right now.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you, you're not serious.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Stand by another man.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not normal.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Every man is a masseuse now.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Every man is a massage.
• 21:40
  Corie: The teacher that's from smaller brands.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to see me in my because when you're when you're doing a massage, right?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: I had to be naked.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 21:48
  Corie: So you are new to an girls then?
• 21:50
  Corie: Yes, I were new.
• 21:51
  Corie: I'm a new tongue boys.
• 21:52
  Corie: Okay, well.
• 21:52
  Corie: They teach me to massage girls and new tongue body and teach me.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, they did not, unfortunately.
• 21:57
  Corie: We used to skip school.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, not at all, but no massages for Um taking place in Newton Girls Aristotle.
• 22:02
  Corie: No, just teach it.
• 22:03
  Corie: They just teach it.
• 22:04
  Corie: They tell you what to prepare for adults.
• 22:06
  Corie: So, how is this song going?
• 22:08
  Corie: People receiving it, they're seeing it bubbling everywhere.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Loving this song, and I'm getting a lot of reception when I sing, like, okay, call and response.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: If that man does know where you stand, what you're gonna do?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: All the girls who cannot sleep at night, stand by another man, and everybody could relate.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: The only person that's not going to respond is if they're in love with the man and the man are right there.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only time you don't get them a response because they're in love and they they're living in Dululu and Lala and they're gonna get cheated.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it's whole.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I ain't saying that okay.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'd have people who really in love and know that the man is for them and stuff, produce for them.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I am happy for any woman who finds love.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Love is a beautiful thing, but it is, it could mess you up really badly.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, stand by another man comes if that man will let you know where you stand, in all forms, all shapes, all fashion.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Coming home late, he don't like you know where you stand, you understand?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: You going and stay for the kids and whatever, and so because of the the the you know, you all start this and start that, and you don't want to stop and whatever, and he you you went to therapy and he just doing what he has to do and stuff.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying to go out and do things.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you keep doing your backpack in cases.
• 23:27
  Corie: Yeah, with you.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can have friends, yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Easy peace.
• 23:32
  Corie: But let me ask you this, right?
• 23:33
  Corie: Uh, before I move on from this.
• 23:34
  Corie: If it is you say that about man, right?
• 23:37
  Corie: And you tell them one stand by another man, the next man could do the same things, his best is a good one.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Your man already doing it.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: You man already standing by women.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, the thing about it is I am standing by another man cautiously.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cautiously.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Means that I am very much putting them to the test.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: I will catfish you.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: I will catfish you.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I will send you a wild goose chase, make a get catch.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I am a pro at that as well.
• 24:06
  Corie: You're looking for problems.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: So if I know you're going to stand by another man, he had to get the whole series of tests.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And to make for me to make sure that that is the man that I really want to stand by.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: But there's an option, at least it has a man there that is potential that I can stand by.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: But know that you're gonna get some catfishing.
• 24:24
  Corie: David, remember when we editing, so just put all this in the end and all two.
• 24:29
  Corie: This is problems for man here.
• 24:30
  Corie: This problems for man.
• 24:31
  Corie: Produce early song and writer.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Huh?
• 24:34
  Corie: Produce all the song and writer.
• 24:35
  Corie: Who produces?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Mavon, explicit me.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Big up to me.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to put that out there.
• 24:43
  Corie: All the songs.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, boy.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Big up to my own.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um, we both wrote this song.
• 24:48
  Corie: Yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I came up with the concept stand by another man out of my personal experience.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know what I was coming to sing, and I know it's going to be.
• 24:59
  Corie: So my bone contribute to this idea, stand by another man.
• 25:02
  Corie: I'm gonna call me.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, he was kind of iffy about it, yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: He said, who are that's who are that topic?
• 25:08
  Corie: Goodbye.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: At least he tried to defend me.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I had another, you know.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I decided to put all kinds of weird nonsense for him to say no.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: So give me to resort to um stand by another man because he was.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's like buyon, yes.
• 25:27
  Corie: You went for that deliberately, that's why you wanted.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we wanted that deliberately because I was lacking in that and I wanted to do something that I've never done before.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've never done a buoy, a soccer boy.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we call it soyon because it still has so a lot of soccer influence in it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a topic where um they love to fight like what is puyon and what is so that.
• 25:49
  Corie: But you're accustomed to playing in several genres.
• 25:51
  Corie: You you're most comfortable when you're doing different things.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, um, I actually struggle with soccer music a lot because I started off singing RB.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you see the Mariah Carries and the curls and the high notes and stuff, yeah.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And kneeling that and when it's time to sing soccer, it's like I go in my throat, like I struggling with the um with it take my while to catch myself with with soca.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but definitely when I started, I was singing cover versions, different Mariah Carries, Whitney Houston, Tony Braxton, rock, pop rock, um, Kelly Claxon, um, a lot of pink, you know.
• 26:27
  Corie: We're getting the answer to the pink.
• 26:28
  Corie: No, that's what it's very pink.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, Gwen Safani.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, she didn't, but I could tell you why I went into pink.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Pink to me is very deep.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's a deep.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's something about my childhood that I was stripped off, and I always dreamed of having a particular childhood where I used to just marvel at the kids that have, you know, their little pink room, their own room, they they um everything would have been feminine wide, like like feminine wide, like, sorry, feminine like, right?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like um I kind of was grew I like I grew up around boys, like um the neighbours was boys, picture marbles, and I wasn't fortunate, so it was kind of poor.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to take the clothes from the neighbor.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I was dressing like a tomb boy most of the time.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Most of my clothes was tomb boyish and um three-quarter pants.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be wearing three-quarter pants.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was feeling so less than myself wearing three-quarter pants and big jersey, and I just wanted to be pretty Barbie.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be Barbie that I did not get to be Barbie.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to go to Disney World, I wanted to go on a plane.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: I want there's so much things I wanted to do.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to just have my own room and pink stuff.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's just me.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just love that.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And everything was just brown and cream and green.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this can't be life, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I just learned to pitch marbles, fish, play with these boys, jump off trees, climb.
• 28:01
  Corie: So you're preparing for this grappling thing a long time.
• 28:03
  Corie: That's why you look comfortable coming down this hill.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I was so tall boyish, and I just felt that I was that was it was like a a bubble and a trance that a reality that I did not want to be in.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: This here is not me.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is not me.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I am hoping that I can escape and get out of this weird world that is not me.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be pink, I want to be pretty Barbie, I wanna dress in dresses, I wanna do what I want to do.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna have that nice childhood moment where I can experience that, you know, Barbie lipstick makeup, glitters.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: You see, glitters hell.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so a lot of people say since I become a mom, I tend to overconfident seat.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you see my house, what's a house?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Congrats, congrats.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: The house pink, you understand?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: My daughter, she has a bedroom.
• 28:55
  Corie: So you created for her?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Up and she has a pink slide attached to the bed, lights, real baby dong, because it's like I I don't want my daughter to feel how I felt.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Next thing she feels like, oh my god, I want this.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I like just the at the moment I realized it's a girl, I was the hap- I don't want no boy at all.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't want her boy at all.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know I'm making this child, and I say I want to give my daughter that opportunity that I was stripped of.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I praying to God, watch my say, God, please, the worst time was that gender reveal when I go in to see if it is I make an account.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: I pray into God Almighty.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at all the um the charts to see what it is, if how your belly is wrong, how your belly pointy.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, if dogs come in here, you know's running.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: So no, if I make a kill my boy.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I want no boy.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: I want a girl because I wanna try.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna trust them pink.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna start from scratch.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna give her everything that's all does she know?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: She's a fun.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice, nice.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna take a Disney World.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: The girl even know what Disney World is like I take.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: She had two years.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: First up, for some.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: First I couldn't wait.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't wait and say she can't go and have the right.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: She can't go and have for the right, but she went, she went Disney World.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't wait.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all what all what I dreamed of um has um manifested itself into reality, which I'm so grateful for.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was always dreaming of myself pink.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was dreaming of myself owning my own house because I was never fortunate.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, there's times when we had to be asking for asking to stay by people, right?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um when you have that means that a house is very, very, very important because I know what it's like to not have a home.
• 30:48
  Corie: Yeah, or a room I hear is that.
• 30:50
  Corie: Exactly.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I that and I also was obsessed with planes.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, I used to just I'll do anything to go down by the airport, and I will just stare at the the feeling that a plane will give me when the plane takes off and landing.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's the best feeling in the world.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I just used to be obsessed with planes.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I realize that I am obsessed with planes and I'm unable to even go or smell or go close that plane.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I am not, it's not, it seems so far-fetched for me to go by a plane.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, because I can't even go to Bago on a plane when I was small.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: So planes was my obsession.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: I just would do anything if I could just go on a plane to fly.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I will give anything to have my own home.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like, you know, my own good, like a home, my family.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: I know what you mean, yeah.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then I will give anything to be the baby that I want to be.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um to have money, to have food on the table, to not suffer, travel, travel, you will go nice places.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, looking through it nowhere.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and I envision, so it's like they really say manifest um station is like really important meditation and stuff because God knows that is what I was obsessed with.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Pink, female, um, this feminine energy, having a home and traveling the world.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: That is it, having money, being comfortable, and giving myself a second chance by having a daughter and giving that child that.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't get to go to a good school.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was delinquent in school.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'll make sure my child is going to peace school, make sure she makes sure she got the best education.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: If I wanted to go and do gymnastics, ballet, learn piano, learn this, whatever.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: I make sure she's doing that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: She has her private tutors to um piano, um, violin, she in concerts, everything that I did not I just see everything manifesting.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: God has blessed me where it just I am traveling on a plane now.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: See, like it's all the time every weekend.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Every weekend from As Carnifal over, it will be sometimes two shows, two states in one day.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: I will go um Atlanta, perform in Atlanta for 4 p.m.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to reach Orlando for 9 p.m.
• 33:10
  Corie: So you're talking about traveling, right?
• 33:12
  Corie: I heard you say in an interview before you they were asking you where you're from, where you live, and you said plenty places.
• 33:18
  Corie: Where's some of them plenty places?
• 33:19
  Corie: Like where you're originally from.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because I was, you know, not fortunate, I live plenty places, you know.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: And some places, like, okay, but last place that I lived um growing up as a kid when I went um Plu Eldo was Ponya West.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: But prior to that, is Mount Top, is Maloney, is La Hoketa, is is away from originally.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um so where I actually where I'm now?
• 33:45
  Corie: No, we were born and grew up.
• 33:47
  Corie: Like the first place you remember living in, remember?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: First place was Woodbroke when I was a baby, but I can't remember that.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then La Hoketa.
• 33:54
  Corie: Okay.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: As a kid, La Hoketa face one.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I remember that.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that was Malabar, St.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Joseph, Trinity, or I will set up.
• 34:04
  Corie: Yeah, all of a sudden.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was traveling.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:10
  Corie: It's not common to hear people say what you said, uh, Princess.
• 34:13
  Corie: You talk to a lot of people who felt like that getting a home and settling something for the children when they didn't have that when they were small becomes the main focus.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was the main focus on a car.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure I'm pure for my car one time because I couldn't deal with it.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was going to school in Arrimagale Sarasi and live in San Sawa.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: And where the Quasi was to the highway, I have to walk there from the from the Quasi, which is the main road, to close to the highway, Crusad Lane, in the hot sun.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have money to buy water.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be asking people, bringing the bell to get water, like us, because I was so thirsty, and I had to go in the hot sun, and that was like trauma for me.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then I used to spend out my money, spend out my money in school.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, not just now, just stick a pen.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Spend out the money that I had to travel from sour to arema with and arema to sour.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when I when I spend the money on a drink or whatever, I don't have no money to go back home, which is from Arima to Sour.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: So what else is it gonna need me to do?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Go in the maxi and run out.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Go in the maxi and run out.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: And short set.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why not?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: And shut it because we didn't have money to spend, you know, I just have my little points and to get to and fro and stuff like that.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I had a tough life, you know.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: I was a tomeboy, I running out of cars, running out of maxis.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: They banned me from the maxis, and um, they say, see that girl, I was banned from the maxis, so I had to take bus after.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't I can't spend the ticket money.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so I had the tickets and the ticket can buy that bus, right?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that time I see I see the maxi men and them coming and I duck in the in the school, like they they they're looking for the particular female, and I go on my friends, and they tell them go under the chair, go under the arm table, because they know I noted for that.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they come, they come to see who purses this.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like it.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Who purses this run?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: The maxi right shoe.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: We need to put a stop to that.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:14
  Corie: They might be still looking for you, you know.
• 36:15
  Corie: You think you might be throwing them off.
• 36:17
  Corie: I know you said you grew up religious with some adventures, right?
• 36:21
  Corie: So, but you had dreams then of being an artist and singing and that kind of thing, or that was your original career?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was so far-fetched to me, like everything, okay.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the world, the Barbie will bubble that I was living in was pink, Barbie, pretty, um, being that person, that that feminine person that's.
• 36:42
  Corie: Even though you can't get it on the outside, that is what you're feeling on the inside.
• 36:45
  Corie: That's what I'm feeling on it.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I am envisioning.
• 36:48
  Corie: Gotcha.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm at home, boy, and I seven days adventist, and I so covered and stuff, what making me get get rid of that depressive state.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I imagine and I in fantasy land.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Fantasy land is this is me.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: I am a star, I am singing, I'm a baby, I'm pink, I'm sexy, you know, because I'm real covered and a tomb boy.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: So the opposite of tomboy is sexy, right?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Something that I just want to be the opposite of what I was.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if I like, so you're going from tomeboy and seven days adventures, you can't wear nothing sexy, you'd like no jewellery.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: My mother never used to allow me to wear.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: I had long um natural hair.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: So she never used to have me like um put in no gel and um styles.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it must be in two or two plats because she woman, no man must be watching me, no boyfriend must be watching me, so I must look as much unattractive as possible, right?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I can't put my hair no style or leave my hair down or anything.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: It must be in a one in a bun, no jewelry, um, no makeup, no whatever.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just a dress that you want to wear.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: A shame to wear it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just feeling less than myself.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: I feeling like this is definitely not what my life is.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: I can't believe this is happening to me.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I living like this?
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I not being what I want to be?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I will be when I I worshiping, going to church, praying, no class party, I was stripped off being any school bazaar because that is against church.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they will play soccer music.
• 38:36
  Corie: And that's teenagers we're talking about, kind of like 18.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: I have to kill few school over and half past two.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: I must I must reach home tree.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, otherwise it's cotile, you know, real serious cocktail.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's just strict.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like, you know, it was so intense and it was so overwhelming for me that I was living in fantasy land.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: But the fantasy line land that I believe was manifestation, like definitely at his finest.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: So me just envisioning Death Stra, watching Deathra on the stage like this, like that, you know, it's like, oh my god, I want to be like Destra.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't be like Destra.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, she has she's the luckiest um girl in the world.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, my god, like, oh my god.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you see how I was um for Destra, and um, so right, like my my perfect world is pink Barbie on stage.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: This on stage, like Destro being all sexier.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: I see she's singing chimber.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was not resonated.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: So people that was real, no, it's so straight that all real resonated, and I'd love I love the music was Alison Hines, Deaning Spell Fun, and and um Destro, right?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that these things was far-fetched to me.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like I wouldn't think this is just a fantasy will to me.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is not what I will ever believe would happen in reality, right?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it just so happened where um things are just going downhill.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like I went to study law because I imagined myself being a star, you know.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: But that's it's not gonna happen.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: I I went because if it would happen, I would have put myself to go and sing and whatever.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: I did law, study law, you know, when my reality is okay, I'll come out of the boy, the boy stage.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm a seven days adventist, I'm I'm a decent um person, you know, I changed my life around, not jumping out of maxis, and I will be a loyal, law-abiding citizen, and probably, you know, you know, take the um the bad man out and that's my life and marry a good um pastor.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, don't sing soccer and sing gospel music and um because I started to sing any church, right?
• 40:56
  Corie: But even before you go on with that, I had to ask, if you grew up under them circumstances, law and cheap, how will you reach from there to study law?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so get so right, that was very difficult.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I was working for um a salary in a doctor's office, three thousand dollars a month.
• 41:11
  Corie: As well as a school?
• 41:12
  unknown: No?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: As also school for struggle?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's before I started school.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: That was three thousand dollars.
• 41:16
  Corie: No, not law school, but out of secondary school you started working in the doctor's office or yes, after after I finished school, right?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I did after blue elder, I went U6 form, I did um E-levels.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it's bright, you was doing good in school.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh I had to because I want to no longer be on the street struggle.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: I have no choice.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, education is the way.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's the way out, you know.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was threatened that if I get no passes, I will go and sweep the promenade.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: That was my threat.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm from woman?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she said I'll sweep the promenade.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that was her big fear.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Better pass them um the exams.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I did e-levels, and then I did US um University of UE6 Forum, and then University of London external with key backgrounds studying law, doing my law degree.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: And flight attendant, I did the flight attendant course, so that um plan would have been mapped out.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a flight attendant while I'm studying law.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: So the flight attendant will help pay for law.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: That was the plan, the goal.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: However, finances, when it is a weekend, it was actually$2,000 and then it went up to$2,000 than three.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Three was$3,000 was the most I ever get um for the month, weekend for the month.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a struggle.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how could I pay for law and stuff like that?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I took a loan to pay my law, and I was struggling.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Things was hard.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Things was hard, and I didn't have no help from nobody else.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I was pulling shoes, doing good and law and stuff, pulling shoes, sacrificing my loan being piled up.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think um the government came in and paid for for um for uh what it was it they covered the local fees, but it wasn't covering the external, so I get half of it paid by the by the government fee at the time.
• 42:55
  Corie: Yeah, but it's my half of law expensive, huh?
• 42:57
  Corie: Yeah.
• 42:57
  Corie: They gotta make sure people understand that.
• 42:59
  Corie: That's expensive.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: That was punch.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, right, true.
• 43:03
  Corie: So you're really just working on figuring it out and paying back your.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was working on figuring it out, and then here's my turnaround, huh?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was feeling to real, I re I went into depression where I was just feeling like by my life set up like this, I not getting to be what I want to be.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I say, plains and and and Barbie will.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even afford it because it's so far-fetched, you understand?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um yes, I was singing in the church, and that's as much as it as it goes, right?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, my mom and them they say that you could sing.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I will sing in my bathroom, so you still change one and say you could sing, but I don't believe in that that I can really sing.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's far fetched to me, right?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, everything is far fetched because of based on my life.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like good things would never happen to me.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I had it done.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Good things would never happen.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just made for this weird, messed up life, right?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I um what I was saying.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Feeling one day, this is what happened.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I wanted to go a party, right?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, my mother wouldn't know.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, my mother wouldn't know.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I went by my father in order to go to this party because my father is definitely not um into truth.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a worldly person.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, and I've I never grew up with my father, so I was trying to get reconnected with him.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, he was my escape.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'll say, Daddy, please beg, beg, back, beg.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: I say, Oh God, oh God, help me, help me.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: I cried, I begging, please take my father, please take me for two days so I could get a little break.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: As I wanna go, I want to go to this party real bad, right?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I save up to go to this party.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: I save up.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know money, but I save up.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm not to ask people for money, I'm making it happen.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: So go.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on to go for the very first party, and I um in this long, long line, right?
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: And when I reach the top, I say, you know who I see Johnny Bravo.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I see Johnny Bravo, and he said, um, well, that's all, folks.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have reached our capacity, right?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll have to go home, okay, right?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: We can't um have nobody coming in there.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: You stay in that line for two hours, right?
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I was so so I say everything was just happening, unlucky for me because it's like I save up for this event to go to this party, stay two hours in a um, two hours in a line to put Johnny Bramford to see.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'll go on and I almost cry.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: I say, hey, I said, please have begun that I can start to cry.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, back of the line.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: That is going to be removing money.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Go to the back of the line.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: I almost got shot.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, I felt so low at the end.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Never getting to the show.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: And guess who I see?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: I see Charles Marshall passing and all the people ticking the team, and he's walking in, walking in, well um, you know, he shared.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah, and he I was like, damn.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: I see, lucky him, lucky him, you know.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he I just see him just pass and get in so easy.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: I see, look how look at how some people have it so easy to just I stand up in the line two hours.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: I see Shal just pass.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's going in and I admiring Shal.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: I say, gosh, lucky you, lucky you so lucky.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I say.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I go home feeling like a dog, a low, a crying, a depressed.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: I say, nah, boy, this is not life.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is not life for me.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, like, I was just feeling so, like, you know, so weak.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just give up.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I give up, give up.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: I like I started praying.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: I say, God, I say, if there's some other, some other life.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I'm trying to I'm going on Google to see what is reincarnation.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: To try to see if it had some other one other sign.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe it has a next life.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like maybe I, you know.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: You want to start afresh.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you want to start afresh because I'm like, what is going on with me?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Everything just horrible.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: I feel solo after that time.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like, um, you know, I was Googling at the time and I watching, uh, how to be somebody?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: I want I want to be somebody.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: I will how to be somebody, right?
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: I I ain't fine, I ain't find nothing.
• 47:22
  Corie: Google some of that.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the start?
• 47:28
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, all I know is that I am envisioning, so you know what I do?
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm back, I'm manif I I went back in fantasy land.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just envision myself how I want to be.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: I say, God, why can't I?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't I?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: What have I done?
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Is this a generational?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: What have I done?
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: Why I can't get a moment for me, for myself, to be me, to enjoy, to be happy.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Why it's always something?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: Why it's always something?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Why I cannot enjoy life, why I can't get what somebody else has, why it is my life set out like this, right?
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Please help.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Please help me.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm asking, I'm begging because I'm on my last right now, right?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then I decided to um some slum dog millionaire came on an show.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I watched that show.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I've after watching the show, I felt good.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: I felt hopeful, slumdog millionaire.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: I say, when from it are people that went from racks miracles to happen.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I say, God, give me a miracle too.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a miracle.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: What am I gonna do?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: Try a lot to so I say, I feeling so hopeful.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: I say, is it all?
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Let me go and try a lot too.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let me try a lot, or um, go in the casino and and gamble.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hopeful.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: So the next day, right?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only hope.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: The next day, I prayer, I pray, I just pray I just manifested.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: I was just seen, I was just because I was so depressed, the more I go into fantasy world.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I want to travel the world, I want to own my own house, I wanna be pink, I wanna be sexy, I want money, I want, I want to have a daughter and give my child a new a new life.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is what the things that I put in there.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I don't know how um, I don't know how if it is if I'm gonna be an actor, an actress, a singer, what, but one of them one of them.
• 49:19
  Corie: The casino will solve this problem for now.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: So your girl going in the casino, bright and early the next morning.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm playing that.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: I go on and I go on with full I'm gonna ten dollars.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody said, I'm gonna play rolling.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: I go on better number 17.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on there.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: But however, this girl from church who I was singing with, like, she probably she probably not in church anymore.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: I saw any casino.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Singing in choir, you sing in the church.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I used to sing in the choir with her.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: I used to singing in the casino cover versions and stuff, and I'm like, I watching the$10 roll that and I'm watching her.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, let me let me stick a pen.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: This girl is reasoning my pose.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: She is, I am so touched by her singing.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, wow, like, you know, and I can't wait till compliments after she came off to teach and I said, You are so fantastic, you're so beautiful.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't see you so long in church, you know.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what happened and how you're here?
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: And like, and she said, the question is, why are you here?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because she knows my mother how strict she is.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: I ain't supposed to be here.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: I say, girl, things life not life in, you know, I broke as hell.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I struggle and I know money.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I come with my little last$10 because it's my last hope right now to gamble and win some money, and I'm feeling hopeful, and I believe I'm going to win.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: She says, No, you're not going to do that.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: She dies, dice, um, dice all you have.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: I say, Yeah, money to go home.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: She takes out a hundred dollars and give me a.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: I say, Oh my god, God bless you.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: I say, Oh my god, I so happy.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: She I say, and she says, You so tell me about it.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Before you, what's going on?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: What happened?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: What happened?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I give her the little rundown of what happened and stuff.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: She said, You know how much I make in here?
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's because you know, she said, I'm making$25 to$3,000 an hour to sing for an hour.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, really?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's time I work in for a little month.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for the buttons, you understand?
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time I finish everything, I have um I have nothing.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: So she said, Here's what?
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: I remember you could sing in church.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: I remember you could sing.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: So um take this trackless, and I want you to learn these three songs, which was your favorite song, Maria Carrie and stuff.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Learn it and kneel it, right?
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: And come Wednesday for the audition for the casino.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be what?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I don't know you could do it because I know your focus, your capabilities and stuff.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, learn the words and come, and I'll be here.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: So he'll be there, nervous.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so anyway, long story short, I went to the audition and I got hired for not just Island Club, Mapau, um, the one in the casino in Sandy Grande.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the name, the one in South.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I was like highly booked.
• 52:15
  Corie: At the time that casino so kid was buzzing.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and I um I got from I went from$3,000 um a month to almost$3,000 a night.
• 52:26
  Corie: But you in the mark, we need to find out how thousand on the$17 hits or it's in the plane or ride out.
• 52:31
  Corie: I write out.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: So the casino going to the casino at the time was it was it would work out, you know, but it's just it.
• 52:42
  Corie: This is my problem.
• 52:43
  Corie: If she'd give me the$100, I was putting the whole$110 on the map.
• 52:46
  Corie: I'd never be broken again.
• 52:47
  Corie: Back to school.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, I was hungry.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't took and buy some food.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was a KFC.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't um I I used to dream a KFC boy.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be like, oh my god, what that tastes like.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: I want to like if it's my birthday and somebody asks me what I want to eat, I say, give me KFC.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Give me KFC.
• 53:08
  Corie: No, people can't see it every day.
• 53:09
  Corie: Yeah, you understand?
• 53:11
  Corie: So um So that was your first time you you released seeing yourself as a solo singer out there doing covers on that kind of it went from zero to hero, basically.
• 53:18
  Corie: So you get the response in the casino, like you observe people taking in, they enjoying it.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they'll love it, they love it.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that that's why the band surface and traffic saw me and asked me to be the lead.
• 53:29
  Corie: So you're from the casino.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and asked me to be.
• 53:31
  Corie: Surface at the time also, Tony Prescott and wasn't surface.
• 53:34
  Corie: Okay.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, they saw me and asked me to be the lead vocalist, and I I got the job.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I went there and then I went.
• 53:41
  Corie: I don't ask you before you go there.
• 53:43
  Corie: Wait till my mother, she she was happy with the surface gigant thing, is she?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I had also leave the house, you understand?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um I could not abide by her rules, and I had to leave the house.
• 53:55
  Corie: Yeah, definitely.
• 53:56
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I went and left by my father because yeah, she's not she not she's not.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: She's not she's not up to this day, she's our pastor's wife, so it's not.
• 54:05
  Corie: Yeah, and you're going to fetch on her Saturday and think Amy's on her Saturday.
• 54:12
  Corie: So you went on the surface.
• 54:14
  Corie: What's that first experience like?
• 54:15
  Corie: Because you would the same way if you're watching people like destroying them with admiration, now you're in you're is becoming a pair.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel like if I needed to pinch myself because I was now in the line, depressed, getting shoved by Johnny Bravo.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: And within one week, I see Johnny Bravo.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: Was it a week or two?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Johnny Bravo is letting me come through backstage.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a big switch.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, is this is this the prayer?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is this is this the um the breakdown and cry to God?
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is this the universe finally rewarding me for all what I've gone through?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I felt like I was feeling numb even when that was happening.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because first I'm not used to anything good happening.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I ref I don't want to believe this is happening.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I in denial.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Denial, denial, denial that I am actually in a band singing.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, this can't be right.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: This can't be right.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I I've been treated nice, you know, sitting down, being served.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: I say, nah, I say, I I say, don't let my give up and um give up.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, don't let me get up from this.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: I see next thing all of this is a dream, and that's all I keep saying.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: Next thing all of this is a dream.
• 55:26
  Corie: The therapist I'm never talking about imposter syndrome is Regis point where you almost feel like you don't deserve it.
• 55:32
  Corie: Like, why is this happening good to be able to do that?
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: I felt that that was that's that's the story of my of my life.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll be traveling, right?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm numb because I cannot believe that I went from feeling being obsessed with planes to being on planes every weekend, like like if it's a taxi.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: I am traveling like if it's a taxi.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I went from dreaming about being on a plane that I would never think I would never get to be on.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't look like I would never ever get to be on a plane, never get to even go to Bago.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or it's just so far-fetched.
• 56:05
  Corie: Yeah, no, you travel more than most people.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm like, I traveling and I still have this, I wouldn't say numb, but it's like it's like if it's not real.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's the reality in here.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: I gave my house.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's supposed to be the biggest, everybody feeling more excited than me, but I'm excited, but it's still feeling like I can't believe this is happening.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: I pay off for my car, I can't believe this is happening.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: I buy a three-story house, not just an ordinary house, a three-story investment property house, pool, everything, prime time um area I was able to save up from so.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: I worked very hard, very, very hard.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: I did without, I did it out.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: I got bash for going with messy hair, um to shoes, um, blogs like MYOP.
• 56:56
  Corie: Yeah, when they when they put it solo, or there's nearly band-aid something they're talking about.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: When you're this is solo, this is recent, recent times, because what happened is as a female, it we're very expensive.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: We have very expensive.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: I see it here today.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: You have to make up to come out, you have to do your makeup.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do your hair, you have to do your nails.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not saying that um regular girls do have to do that, right?
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: But if you have to do that, you have to get out for that, you cannot repeat.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Most times you can't repeat, because if they you repeat it.
• 57:21
  Corie: Yeah, especially in this ear.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: We will try to mix and match where people will know later on, next six months after.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you have to get transport, you have to have a videographer, you have to have a DJ, you have to have a booking agent that takes a cut, a manager that's taking a cut, a road manager that taken a cut.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: And let me say um you ain't have a monster like myself, right?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you have a consistent, popular song that is playing and stuff, they're not gonna give you monster money.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you're getting us uh um uh money and you have to you're getting money, yes, but it's not that amount that would cover for all those teams, right?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: So by the time you get let me give let me give you an example, like a let me say a six grand or so, or whatever, and you pay booking agent, manager cuts, um, road manager, right?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: Or the team, the DJ, the videographer, the stylists, the the one-wear stylist, whatever, the jewellery, the hair.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wef is very expensive, right?
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um because you don't want to use your natural hair sometimes, because I thought about using my natural hair, but then I wanted to make a statement, so I wanted to stand out, you know.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I I wanted to like I was always wearing my natural hair as a kid.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:41
  Corie: Right.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to change.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't want to be the same person that I was before.
• 58:46
  Corie: And why it seems valid because if you compare a male artist, not to compare a woman with the arts to somebody, another woman, but to compare to a male artist, it's just a much bigger bill.
• 58:55
  Corie: Yeah.
• 58:56
  Corie: It looks like it costs you$6,000 to come here today.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: The expenses is so at the time I get a show and um they tell me they they tell me they say, You need a team, you need to jump out and look good.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I jump out and look good and come back home with$0.00 because all the money went into the team.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: So how am I going to save to survive?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: So is it a um what do you call it?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: Facade?
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: What is it?
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Facade.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, facade.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because um you need to come back with something.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um money um music costs.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: What about the amount of money that I spent on the song?
• 59:28
  Corie: Yeah, and then real life costs too.
• 59:29
  Corie: You have a daughter, you have a life, you have a life to live, yeah.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to cut on my team and I had to go by myself.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: And when I'm going by myself, I'm driving myself.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: Drivers, I'm cutting on course.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: I use any house DJ, I go in with busted weave, you understand?
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because I can't afford a hairdresser to fix it back up at the time.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: I do my own makeup, some nails missing, they've they're messing them up.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, so and so is the case, so I love and stuff.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I had a vision, and my vision was since things good, look like you open up um everything for me, let me take advantage and let me sacrifice.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: Let me sacrifice because the first thing I need to do is buy that house.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't want that that um having to be on the streets.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: Fear, phobia.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: I have a phobia for that.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: Phobia.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: So the first sort of money, all I study about, I don't care what they say about me, I don't care about how busted my hair looks, I don't care, one nail's missing, how messed up.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um yes, it did damage to me because I would I would do things so much for myself that I'll show up to the event tired and I'll be hoarse because I'm I'm dealing with everything on my own, managing myself, and I'm driving, I'm tired.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm trying to do seven shows a night.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm horse and not something good on the stage.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, it caused a little problems with me having to do damage control and and to prove that okay, I could sing and do cover versions to show them.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: But um, that take a toll on me.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I fall asleep.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: I on my way to I tell the promoter I three minutes away.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: The promoter realized that our pass and I in there is because I fall asleep in the middle of the road.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I wait in um by a traffic light, right?
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: And something just say, just put your car in neutral.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Any any any any neutral, just put just in case you got a dose now for myself.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: Our pass, and I seen pull his banging long the um the door, I fall asleep um right there because I tired.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I go in and perform, and I come in and then they say, Yeah, she performing for free.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: She performed for free because she has no team, she can't afford to feel a DJ.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: I hello, I distract I.
• 1:01:36
  Corie: Who's saying this internet?
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, artists.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: People in the industry.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she does say she well that's show she again, she performing for free and whatever, yeah, because she ain't no team.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: She like, hello?
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: I your noise is not affecting me.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: I will take my bank, my bash, my back strong.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: I will take the uh she performing for f for free.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, you do a deficien.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know how much money I need for that deposit for the house.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is what I study in.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: I need to make a quota, and you see the house, I don't want my house to be any on any house.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_00: I want my house to be at my dream house.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: My first house must be my dream house.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I will take home all the money.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: All the money, seven shows, and what if I get, I have no cut for no book in nature, nothing.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: I because again, any shows myself, no driver.
• 1:02:21
  Corie: So don't think how much shows you could get and how how wide you could spread a brand if you do have a team, because it's only so much a man could know.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, listen, this is what I said for now, I am I am needing this house, right?
• 1:02:35
  Corie: So it's a short-term sacrifice, is what you say?
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's a short-term sacrifice.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to get the house.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: When I do get the house, then I'm gonna build on the team.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so, because at the end of the day, I can't be an artist for me and have no home.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if I have no house because I can't be paying rent, I don't have, I don't have a proper support system.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have to have a living set as well.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a mum or family that's going to watch my daughter for me.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have um, I need to make, I need to leave something for my daughter.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't ever run by phobia.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: I have a daughter now.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want my child to be nowhere close to having no place to stay.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: So when I was doing the music, I say the main vision right now, I need to, I need to um appeal for my car first thing, and whatever money I just sacrifice, I do it out.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: I do it out pennywise, I do it out clothes, I repeat in clothes.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in business.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: I I look in scrunting.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: But but I was blessed with my with a three-story um house.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: I sacrifice and I'm so happy, and I peeled off a good bit on it so that the mortgage is not that extravagant.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: And now that I achieved this, now I can put my real emphasis into soccer music and my career, my my my professionalism, get my little team to it the proper way.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, have my little DJ, have my makeup artists, whatever.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_00: Even if I had a batter trade and stuff like that, we make me making it work.
• 1:03:58
  Corie: Ways of most are a good lesson in sacrifice and and and uh personal sacrifice, which people, any youth could benefit from.
• 1:04:04
  Corie: I want to go back to the days of the band singing because band singing is a special thing to me.
• 1:04:08
  Corie: I grew up in a time when bands used to play in first.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love bands.
• 1:04:14
  Corie: So, surface, you spend some time there, and then you move on to traffic.
• 1:04:17
  Corie: Who was in traffic when you were initially going to traffic?
• 1:04:19
  Corie: Was it Eddie and that?
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it was Eddie.
• 1:04:21
  Corie: Uh what was your experience there?
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was so surreal to me.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: I just couldn't just believe it.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: I just couldn't believe it.
• 1:04:30
  Corie: And I guess uh traffic people who might remember traffic as a back-end band.
• 1:04:34
  Corie: You could see any artist run on traffic.
• 1:04:36
  Corie: Some of the same artists who you see in your top three, and then you would see them run on yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
• 1:04:41
  Corie: What made you decide that you wanted to go solo?
• 1:04:44
  Corie: Is that a decision you made?
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, basically I had a song and I remember having um, I was not able to be that flexible because the band at the time was paying like a certain amount, and the kegs that I was getting was paying way more, and I was I had to turn on those kicks for the band.
• 1:05:03
  Corie: You understand?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: At that point in time.
• 1:05:05
  Corie: So at that point in time, people look into book you on your own?
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:05:08
  Corie: So you was doing your own songs or covers?
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I had a own song as well.
• 1:05:11
  Corie: So what what what was that first song when you decided to do your own song?
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you love your body, you feel it nice and sexy, call I nice.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the first one.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and it um this was it was getting some players.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was in um 99.1, like the they was doing the road shows like all over the country.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that with the trucks, and I was there with traffic and singing and getting myself out here, and um the songs was playing, and that song was playing, and that was good.
• 1:05:43
  Corie: So the band was playing his song too, in the set.
• 1:05:45
  Corie: Yes, nice, nice.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, because I actually decided to learn to write.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: I needed to learn to write by force because I remember I since I joined the music industry, I need a song, right?
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I need to get a songwriter because I don't.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: I could write, right?
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I paid they tell my real money for the song.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you know me, I know starting to catch myself financially.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I you know what?
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: I took a loan for the song.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: To do the song.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: I took a loan to pay that songwriter and the producer to pay for that song.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: And guess what?
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: That song ain't get a sprinkle play.
• 1:06:24
  Corie: I like it.
• 1:06:25
  Corie: I like it.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's a play.
• 1:06:27
  Corie: And the loan has to play.
• 1:06:28
  Corie: And I have to have to pay back the play.
• 1:06:29
  Corie: But the bank didn't want to hear that.
• 1:06:31
  Corie: You're lucky to get the loan in the first place.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because I already had our existing loan that I was trying and now trying to pee off.
• 1:06:38
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Corie: Why?
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I the song in gear uh a sprinkle play, nothing at all.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was in a mess.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, nah, boy.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, then after um somebody else gave my song and it didn't get no play, they keep telling me about the mix and he master horrible and who doing my this wickedness and stuff.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because you remember, I'm not somebody that is known.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of artists, songwriters, sorry, would tend to give an artist that isn't really popping who hasn't paid it use anything that is substantial.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were just upstand.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_00: They give them something that's not um, upstanding.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I was just getting failures with songwriters.
• 1:07:18
  Corie: Yeah, at that time, yeah, so you're hearing it and you're thinking you're good.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking it's good because I am believing that these um noted hit making songwriters have what it takes to give me a monster.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I pay a loan for the song and zero airplay, sprinkle, no sprinkle, nothing at all.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: I do it again with somebody, I then pay.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: The strip I get a battered deal, zero airplay.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then they keep telling me, girl, them people wicked here, yeah, wicked the mix and master.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: So you know the mix and master.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: What is the mix and master?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: What is the mix and master?
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm told what that is.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, you know what?
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do all the engineering because I am in this now and I'm not batting down.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not pating down.
• 1:08:09
  Corie: Go a pave the way this is where you're gonna do.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: Go and pave the way for me already, and I'm in here.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not backing down with no nonsense song and weather and mix and master.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: So then you can see.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I am going to know what is mixed and master.
• 1:08:21
  Corie: One thing you like a course ino generally, like to go and sit down in a course.
• 1:08:24
  Corie: You went and learned about the engineering.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I went and learned it, and I learned how to mix and master, know how to produce, and it gave me the better air of you know, songwriting and and just knowing what is a good mix and how important a mix is for a song.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the song may not be where for it's just noisy and all over the place, and the song really cut off potential, but it's just certain elements that will just not you really have to develop that air.
• 1:08:49
  Corie: So let me ask you this when you do that course and you decide to develop the ear, when you listen to your old songs, you're hearing the problem.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_01: I asked, I want to follow our shame, following that song.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: Hold on the song, please.
• 1:09:06
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, but you're born again.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'd make a cringe.
• 1:09:13
  Corie: Because I would say, like, even in preparing for this, right?
• 1:09:15
  Corie: When I listen back to your catalogue of music, even songs I never hear play.
• 1:09:19
  Corie: The quality of production in your music is stand out.
• 1:09:22
  Corie: Yeah, like I'm listening to it coming along the road.
• 1:09:24
  Corie: A lot of times, sometimes I'm listening, and now you had to listen fast, because I had to talk to the person just now.
• 1:09:28
  Corie: But I find myself listening to your music and songs that I don't know, and they play now to the end.
• 1:09:33
  Corie: And it's actually that's supposed to be listening to as much songs as possible.
• 1:09:36
  Corie: So the the I guess it's something you focus on now.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:09:39
  Corie: You started doing your own mix, your own production, right?
• 1:09:41
  Corie: I hear you talking about building your studio too.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, I started my own studio in back in 2020, um, 2018, sorry.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_00: And um I there's a song that did well for me.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: Spin your way sign wrong that wrong.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, spin the way sign wrong that wrong.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I started the idea.
• 1:09:59
  Corie: So you did that?
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Rishi Mahatu finish it, but I came with the idea and the I I did my logic and put my stuff in my logic and the whole idea and a billet.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I think and I wrote everything for myself and I took it to Rishi because of course I'm not a professional, so I definitely need so I would use that as a battery because I can't um afford to pay full price for production.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: So what I will do is help do a draft and ax, and and all this.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I would go to Kit, I'll go to um and ask them to give me some of the instruments.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be I'll be asking them for help to um kernel robots and all staying there, um billing, watching how they doing, how they building the beats, what how they building the drum, everything.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And by that I was able to like trading, like, okay, if I come with my skeleton and I come with half of myself, I don't have to pay for my full production price.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that was my start, and that's what started helping me and working for me.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because of course, finances, you might want to do a song and have a monster, but when they charge you$12,000 for production and uh um a$3,000 US for a song, you understand how anybody is supposed to compete for that um the regular person on the streets who want to sing and the production is$12,000 and the the the song 3,000 US in all.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Then you have to pay for marketing.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's why it's so hard for people to break in into this industry because and and not after you do all of that, it's still now you have to have a swag, you have to have a look, and you have to have a connection, you have to have the support.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: You pay all that money, and your name is Susie, and you Julian promotes blasts about 15 songs for the day.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_00: You think them DJs go on dick for um a susie?
• 1:11:42
  Corie: No, the DJs, even the fan, because the amount of songs them blasts, nobody in the five years.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you put it on YouTube, nobody even going on.
• 1:11:47
  Corie: No clicking on the day.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_00: So what should Susie do?
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um go on Instagram, that's what they say.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, don't depend on radio, don't depend on radio, go on social media, right?
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Go on social media.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: What if susie have five five followers?
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: How is the algorithm going to show your song to everybody else?
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean now you have to be viral?
• 1:12:11
  Corie: Of course.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Going viral is not easy.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can't control it.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Then they say go and promote yourself on the stage.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now, next thing, when you go and promote yourself on the stage, right, and you're singing your song and stuff, Trinidadians have this mentality.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Me know your song, it's song and girl, you know.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: But me know your song, I sign up.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching you.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Next, you understand, I sign up and watching you.
• 1:12:31
  Corie: What do you love in your early days?
• 1:12:32
  Corie: Because you uh every artist will go through that period where you're going on hits in front of your hits behind, you know, you're singing a song and the crowds stand up on you.
• 1:12:39
  Corie: Oh the confidence to deal with that.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's hard.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's hard to get crickets and bricks.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a nice feeling.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: You want to crawl up, you want to crawl on that rock.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I say, you know what?
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I won't have been the first and the last to get crickets and bricks.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: It happens to the best of the best.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So for me to feel good, I go pull up a big artist.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 1:13:06
  Corie: I like it, I like it.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: You want to stop getting crickets and bricks and feel good about it.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not what it means.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's not what it means that good act.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: So now come and watch me and whatever.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: The crowd was a tough crowd, you know?
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was a tough crowd.
• 1:13:21
  Corie: I had her line saying somebody today.
• 1:13:23
  Corie: She said, Boy, not me, you know, it's a girl.
• 1:13:25
  Corie: Dark crowd was neighbor.
• 1:13:26
  Corie: She says, It's not my performance.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then sometimes you would be if the crowd watching, yeah, and you jump it up like a club and you vibe out, and you just you feel it even worse.
• 1:13:36
  Corie: I feel like new so artists is hard as working.
• 1:13:39
  Corie: Like I was hopping up yours in the interview saying, What advice you get to a new soccer?
• 1:13:44
  Corie: Is it keep your day job?
• 1:13:45
  Corie: And I find it it might have come across a way, but the truth about anything new in the world.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, me feeling this and seeing it, and seeing how hard it is.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I understand why there is so many little, very few um female artists coming to break out.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm gonna tell you something.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you do have a strong backing behind your song, your song could be how hot, whatever.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Your algorithm, social media not pushing it, nobody not seeing it, nobody cares.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of artists, if you know that it's breaking out, have a big, respectable force behind them and a backing.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: If it's a big well renowned DJ or somebody that is that is a radio station owner, or some serious, respectful force backing them.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Or they from a team that have a other big artist, and that big artist is bringing on the other artists.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the that's the way.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now you understand you have to have your song, you have to have your quality song, but it is not as easy as it takes.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And as I listen to people when they say, I call me to sing, I could sing, and I'm just shaking my head.
• 1:14:49
  Corie: That's like who feels it knows?
• 1:14:51
  Corie: Yeah, who feels it knows?
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I I I wish I could tell you, but I is not my place to tell you to even try because I can't tell you that because I don't want nobody telling me, don't try.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you understand?
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: But you had to, you have to, when you see you burn, you learn, you see, this game is not for the weak.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: It is not for the weak, it is not for the weak.
• 1:15:13
  Corie: No, but you prove that you have the the belly for it.
• 1:15:16
  Corie: I think it's some belly.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: I have real belly, trust me, I have real belly for me to still stay in how long I try and how much years now.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Without a monster, you know how much people that don't give up.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: But out of I have had popular songs, yes, but if even when you get your flowers and they say, All right, you get a popular song, they still come in to tell you, well, it's not a monster.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're still you're still harassing you and telling you you're seeing your tour in the world.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_00: A tour in the world, I'm going Singapore, Japan, Belize.
• 1:15:43
  Corie: So, how are you getting to the markets?
• 1:15:45
  Corie: How you getting how you're getting that done?
• 1:15:46
  Corie: Okay, when you say you're you're you're moving on the.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, I don't know what it is, but Trinidad, there's a disconnect, and it's hurtful for me, to me.
• 1:15:54
  Corie: So those markets connecting with your music in a way our local market, not?
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I am more received, better received for some strange reason outside, right?
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not really a plus for me because I want to be accepted as much as outside in my home.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's your home, that's where I live, that's where I build my house, that's my foundation.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: This is my people's.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is Trinidad.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm representing Trinidad all over the world.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: I want to be accepted just the same, right?
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think I've paid dues, I've been knocking on the door, and I'm trying to figure out what it is that is holding because there's still a um a whole back.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: The name Cheetal, I've tried to rebrand.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to um, you know, there was a lot of mistaken identities, a lot of rubris from that that mistaken identity coming on me, you know, that's it.
• 1:16:45
  Corie: Bring me into back and all time.
• 1:16:46
  Corie: So I want to talk about this over it all here because I saw it just looking up your stuff.
• 1:16:51
  Corie: Uh, you're talking about views in the uptains of millions, 16 million views, and so on.
• 1:16:55
  Corie: And I don't know that I know this song I hear it play here a lot.
• 1:16:58
  Corie: And then I see it traveling and touring the world, maybe more than some artists who I know have monster hits.
• 1:17:03
  Corie: Yes.
• 1:17:04
  Corie: So it's uh curious about it.
• 1:17:05
  Corie: But it's always our back and I'll time on this podcast.
• 1:17:07
  Corie: And when you say, first, before we get to the name thing, when you say back in, they had a time when I would go out and think I would see the legend Big Mike.
• 1:17:14
  Corie: I say, well, this person's grandfather, then you are back in.
• 1:17:17
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Corie: And you're bunged.
• 1:17:18
  Corie: Because that's where you want to see.
• 1:17:19
  Corie: When you see a new artist come out with somebody who industry proven, tested, it's like when that person says this person, that person going through.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the thing about it is sometimes the person can be respected, but the era is different.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the era is different.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_00: They would have had um the strengths and the strong points when social media wasn't prominent.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, when it when it was back in Superblue and Alison Hines back in the day when there's no social media and the the method of of back then to hear would not work, it would not apply.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes not all respectable back end, you have to pick and choose, you know.
• 1:17:55
  Corie: I understand what you mean.
• 1:17:56
  Corie: Yeah, different Europe.
• 1:17:56
  Corie: Yes.
• 1:17:57
  Corie: Okay, fair.
• 1:17:58
  Corie: So who was taking you for Jay Angel?
• 1:18:00
  Corie: Because let me tell you something.
• 1:18:01
  Corie: When you post this thing, I my first thoughts was I know J.
• 1:18:05
  Corie: Angel, I know J Dell.
• 1:18:07
  Corie: And I said everybody.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_00: The industry knows.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Trust me, everybody in the industry knows it different, right?
• 1:18:12
  Corie: They join public and so you think you think people generally don't know or they mix you all up?
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I could give you a little quick, I really didn't want to talk about this because I mean I'm way past this.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm gonna just give it to you quickly, like an example.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I would go um a spa.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I remember going to spa and everybody came peeping and laughing, right?
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel in shame because I want to know if if um a hole in my pants are like.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you're looking away.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I looking in my hole to know if a pants like if something happened to me or whatever, I asking somebody if they see any spots behind my whatever, and I can't understand what it is they they they laughing and going and and everybody coming and peeping.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I feeling awkward, and then people sh teach them kind of kind of we in this in a saloon, you know, like a like a white elephant, whatever, nobody wanna talk and I'm talking to them.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_00: They they they came uh so anyway, long story short, they say, JL, we want to ask you a question, right?
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And when they say that, everybody's passed out a laugh.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um, they say what?
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, JL, whose idea it was to put on a cat suit.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yo, that's not me.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I won't go into details, I'm just giving you a rough um thing.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody came and meet me again.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_00: This is regular people, this is not people in the industry because if people in the industry know, you're okay, you're okay, you're okay.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_00: I say, What do you mean if I'm okay from the fall?
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're okay from that fall.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I yo, I never fall off.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't fall.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I it was me, right?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been getting this all the time.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_00: I see, all the time, and I've been getting called the name all the time.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I don't want to go into details, but well, it's fair.
• 1:19:51
  Corie: I understand you.
• 1:19:52
  Corie: But let me say this, right?
• 1:19:53
  Corie: And I ain't trying, I'm a peacemaker, right?
• 1:19:55
  Corie: It's a blessed is a peacemaker.
• 1:19:56
  Corie: I don't expect to make peace today, but I'll tell you this.
• 1:19:58
  Corie: Yes, remember when this interview starts, and I say blah blah blah blah blah and how you going, sir?
• 1:20:02
  Corie: That is the truth of it.
• 1:20:04
  Corie: I just tired of no part of me could ever take you for a man, of course.
• 1:20:07
  Corie: Yes.
• 1:20:08
  Corie: I move in tired and this fella here booking too much people back to back and you're going to automatic mode.
• 1:20:13
  Corie: I also saw one time, and I know they have more to this issue, right?
• 1:20:16
  Corie: I'm not trying to say that.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's more, but I I I put that to rest.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, but yeah, let me.
• 1:20:21
  Corie: I saw I saw one time um uh by Smokey on Bunzy Days.
• 1:20:26
  Corie: Maybe in diaries somewhere we go in brass festival and we come back down the road, and I see Ronnie Macintosh stand up by Smokey.
• 1:20:32
  Corie: So, of course, as a buzz, yeah, the donkey song and them saying big, big song.
• 1:20:35
  Corie: And I see some fellas come up and say, I was and I see you know, he because kind of like just your response to that.
• 1:20:42
  Corie: So I could see how off-putting that would be.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's not I'm I was not upset with her for that, you know, because that's no fault of hers.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: It goes deeper than that, right?
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: There was there was other internal matters that I really just want to put her as because if I touch base on it, it's gonna open a can of worms, and and I just say I'm gonna bury the hatchet.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_00: The mere fact that you all know the separation now, and that's all that matters.
• 1:21:06
  Corie: So there's one relationship that I do want to talk to you about.
• 1:21:08
  Corie: I'm excited to talk to you about.
• 1:21:10
  Corie: Me and I like the back and aisle, but a little bit.
• 1:21:12
  Corie: But I'm more like the relationship when I saw you say, and first I might want to ask you, oh, you had a gumption to go to people like Kit Israel and then first, like you, you know, you know, breaks, you go in and you're pursuing what you need to pursue.
• 1:21:24
  Corie: But I saw that relationship with yourself and Colonel Roberts, even where y'all would have done co-writing on one of Marshall's bigger songs.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, basically, um, that's haunted feeling, right?
• 1:21:34
  Corie: Which is a huge.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: So um I remember this is how Haunted Feeling happened, and this is what made me realize that okay, I'm really good at melodies.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_00: He told me I'm good at melodies as well.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we wanted a song for myself.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted a song for myself, right?
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember um Good Morning America had cast and he sang, We on the road again, I'll show you where to go.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: The only place I know.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that song?
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was in love with that song because it had this pop, pop, pop um idiom kind of soccer feel.
• 1:22:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I if I'm if I'm coming out and I wanna come out, I wanna reach for the stars.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna be on Good Morning America too, and I wanna like, you know, do a song like that.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, I need a song like that, right?
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um my father did come and tell me there's a song that he went that is a big song in um in Caracas.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Dansa Kadeta, Danada.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Dan, Dan Zakaduru.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that, right?
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he has to do.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I had that in my head.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I went to Kunal, I say we're gonna get a song.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we went, he takes the keyboards, and we went somewhere because if it is we in the studio here, it's my time to finally get because I've been um putting out songs and it's not working.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: So you say, you know what, you have been here in Rama, let me really get this song.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, whatever.
• 1:22:59
  SPEAKER_00: So we went somewhere, yeah, the keyboards, and we play um a set of beats, right?
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_00: So the beats was um he playing beats and one stood out to me.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: One stood out, and that beat was I say, but this song like what I have in mind for cast.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's somebody could be.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, yeah, dude, do this, do this one.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um he say, you sure?
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_00: I say, yes, I say, I like this beat.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Well, I think it was it wasn't him alone, it was he, I think CZ, Pasak, I remember the people behind, but it was a loop.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was a loop.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I decided to work, I I wanted to work on that, right?
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I picked whatever, and we started doing melodies, and I taped the melody.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the melody that subconsciously came that I sampled was a cadre out of sleep no more.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't do the lyrics, I it's the melodies I come up with um fists, you know.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_00: So melodies is always I cannot write with lyrics.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I could not rob a T C D writer and stuff.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was a good collaborative effort.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_00: This was the song for me to sing, you understand?
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that was my song.
• 1:24:34
  Corie: So then no one song.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_00: I traded in for a collab with the monk, yeah.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um well um Kunell said, I have good news and bad news.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um he heard his song.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted, um, he loved the song.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's up to you, you know, it's up to you.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you give a teen, right, um, you would be you would get a collaboration with him on the power song that we were working on, right?
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, and I give that up with fine by me.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Fine by me, and I just saw the song flow up, and up to this day I feel so good to know that that was you know something that I was going to sing, you know.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that is when I realized that that that gave me the inspiration to know that if it is, I was part of a big mega monster like this.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_00: That song wasn't for me to sing, that I created melodies and everything for I know I have the capability to write.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just believe that I have lack of support and backend, and I've been managing and doing all my bookings myself.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_00: I have never had a proper manager.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have management in America, which is Julian Promise.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_00: Julian's of Julian Promose, he does my international booking um thing, but nothing to do with local.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I would like I had Shake Up Your Patti Girl, and I had booking agents.
• 1:26:02
  Corie: How do you come up with that song?
• 1:26:03
  Corie: Before you talk about the bookings because that that song is one of your songs, that song Bob.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Shake up your body girl.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's always melodies first.
• 1:26:11
  Corie: So melody first.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, melodies first.
• 1:26:12
  Corie: When I get it, you're going to for words or you know, no, I wrote it, I wrote the whole song by myself.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Everything I wrote um by myself, right?
• 1:26:19
  Corie: And um And you had a book in agents and I didn't get much bookings either.
• 1:26:22
  Corie: I get no bookings.
• 1:26:22
  Corie: No.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you're serious about it.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_00: I got like about close to 90 on my own.
• 1:26:26
  Corie: Oh, I see.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Close to 90 on my own.
• 1:26:28
  Corie: So that's why you're gonna just call her wrong and to go.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some call me.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So this is how it started off.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is how it started off, right?
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody was calling me at all.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, who's chadel?
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Shake up your party girl.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: At that time, it was look back, look back, look out, die the monster.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I just trailing along, pegging for some time, try to climb to a later one, you understand?
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you remember who's cheadle at the time, you know?
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's a girl and tem shake up your battle girl, wassi them, them, don't kill everybody like the wasiness, right?
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_00: And um that that is half song we had to turn around and shake my batty and that that came along.
• 1:27:05
  Corie: Yeah, that was the man and the woman fighting.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that he was there that caused trouble.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_00: But shake up your body girl.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, nobody wasn't calling her for bookings because it's not a monster.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Look back was the monster.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, shake up your body was a popular song that is on a big rhythm that that whatever.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um I went by Loracle when he was singing in French to us.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Me not no book's right.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I went by him and I say, I show him.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_00: I say this is my only time.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_00: I say, you have a song, you have to do something.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Have to do something.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: I can't back down, nobody calling me for no shows.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because they don't know who I is.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Laura is performing, look back.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I wonder if I can ask Loracle if you could pull him up on the stage to do a little piece of my song boy.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if you could say no.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I think you could say no, you know.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I know he can he will say yes, but I said just in case he said no, I'm gonna go to the DJ and lie and tell him, Leroy say I say, Leroy say that different respect.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: I say have a song.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I say, Well, Laura, do um look back, but but uh but shake back shake up.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll set that in.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Him.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Laura said that I say, yeah, Lurissa Ragged I say I do so Laura Laura, I say I say you could put up on the stage.
• 1:28:35
  Corie: Oh, he's on stage already.
• 1:28:42
  Corie: So what you do, you bring it down.
• 1:28:56
  Corie: So you set it up on your set of.
• 1:29:00
  Corie: He knows the story.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: He told her he might know it now.
• 1:29:04
  Corie: So you went up and then received it.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_00: I went up.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Laura was kind enough to say, All right, after you sing, look back, he said, I have this um young lady that has a song on your rhythm and it's bubbling.
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to give her the opportunity to perform a song.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: And um I went and sing, Shake Up your batty girl.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I tell her I said, now is my time to shine.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I need to do something, something.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I turned my batty and I shake it, and I shake it hard.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it worked.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it worked, it worked.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_00: I went viral.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, this is an artist endorsing somebody, so they will take it seriously.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_00: The crowd scream, I get three paid bookends from that very free begged show that I begged to be on.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: That I set up Larry Call.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we even well, trust me, me even get to go on the show to even perform for free.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe even get to go on that show to perform for free.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_00: I trickle record into Polly Baby stage.
• 1:30:00
  Corie: And that leads to your 90 bucks.
• 1:30:03
  Corie: For the for the hours.
• 1:30:06
  Corie: You understand?
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I um I got three paid bookens, mass y'all inclusive.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Come, come, come up to me and say that was amazing.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the two others.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_00: But from each show was was just triple, triple.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: I seen thing people coming up to me because when I turn and I shake that batty, everybody scream.
• 1:30:28
  Corie: But listen, when it's ironic, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:30
  Corie: It worked, it worked.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're just yellow coming up here shaking she batty hard, you know?
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I and not to mention the booty little big.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's causing our scene.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_00: The same thing, the same thing I was shame about.
• 1:30:46
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_00: I had to turn it and flaunt it.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you understand?
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:30:51
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta do what I gotta do.
• 1:30:52
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, and you do it.
• 1:30:53
  Corie: Yeah, I do it.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, there's always room for reinvention, switching, rebranding.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_00: I do what I have to do, I shake it, I shake it hard, yeah, get my 90 bookends, um, stamp my name a little bit.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it was up any party, up any party all night.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_00: So that was first and shake up was after.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it means that I had two full of up.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I started to prove myself as being consistent because I didn't drop from up any party.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I I had up any party all night, and that was on um a rhythm with skinny fan lions, um, Adamore.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um who was a missing.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was a big rhythm.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that was actually uh answer in every carnival all over the world.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_00: You must sing, you must play up any party.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you must play up any party, and you fall in here, I had to shake up your body.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a good for the dud fall.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: None of them was a monster, but it was big enough to know, like, you know, and I have quite consented for now because the expectations after up any party wasn't that high.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Where I had a fall, I was able to fall in.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Easy monster is a blessing and a curse, I must say so.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, I am billing with my fans.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want to build so that when I do get that monster, the fans feel a few.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's not force ripe, it's not a lock, it's not that a one-hit wonder.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, okay.
• 1:32:19
  Corie: I mean, nobody can call it no one-hit wonder at this point.
• 1:32:22
  Corie: But I'd ask you, because I see David moving them chanting that means he finds talking too much.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:32:26
  Corie: Up any party, melody first and all the time.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Melody first, everything.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is melody first.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Feeling to cham somebody, and take our wine melody first.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, soon as I see a coming, I had to say good morning.
• 1:32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Dice Madalin.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Melody, um, fitness.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have had good follow up um songs, and this year I have stand by another man.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you'll go to go back to that.
• 1:32:51
  Corie: But you go back that fast.
• 1:32:52
  Corie: You give people advice.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I have the ride, I'm up for the ride.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, love.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I've tasaban, which is with Raymond Ramner, right?
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Raymond.
• 1:33:02
  Corie: Raymond was here there.
• 1:33:04
  Corie: You tell me about that too.
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Firey and permission I do with GPM.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I've uh five songs.
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and last year, five songs um bubbling as well.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the thing about it is sometimes me having five songs may not enable me to focus on one, to bill it, to a monster, right?
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_00: But what happened is with the five songs, that is the reason why I'm uh I'm booked a lot outside.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because one of the songs is gonna be huge in a country that not even that was not playing.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_00: So the maximum at all then.
• 1:33:38
  Corie: How come the views are so high?
• 1:33:39
  Corie: What what what country is driving that song to the Europe?
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, everybody, Europe, it was big in Europe and and America, it was on PT.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_00: It played on PT.
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_00: The whole video played on V PT, which was which was which was great.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it was a quality video, and it it was one that was played in every launch, every airport.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was big and on the big playlist, and it's a nice slow, croofy RB mix that was able to mix in with others and stream really well.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_00: That saved me for COVID.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um when they when they really talk about streams and and whatever, I good tease of it all saved me for COVID.
• 1:34:17
  Corie: And you when you go in Europe, you have enough catalogue, you perform in catalogue again to perform all the songs and all the songs, and it had a time I was I went to perform in England, Notting Hill, right?
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And they booked me, apparently they booked me for a particular song.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that add that not even in my um the DJS or memory stack, I don't even perform that at all.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_00: That not knowing that they booked me for that.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_00: That is the that showed me why it is I needed to do a lot of songs because I get that booking for that song that wasn't playing in Trinidad.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I finished performing and they watch me like if I'm crazy.
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be serious.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_00: They sang up and watch it be like if I'm mad.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like they they waited for butter, they take it's a give it now, like uh, I come with the stage and I'm coming back home.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_00: When they say that, they say, no, no, no, no, no, Gina, you can't be serious.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then they start to chant this song.
• 1:35:01
  Corie: Right, that they want to sing.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_00: I tell you, tell him go on YouTube and follow down because we leave for the high song.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_00: You understand?
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, geez.
• 1:35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is what happens when it is you do a good bit of songs and you have catalogue, and and that is the reason why I'm booked a lot because a lot of my songs take off in different countries, and I'm able.
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's either you have one song and you take that risk and blow it up to be the monster, or you have the five songs where everything is just consistent.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, yeah, yeah, really side.
• 1:35:34
  Corie: I mean, catalogue and consistency can't be picked on.
• 1:35:36
  Corie: I mean, uh, I want to thank you for taking the time to come here and take it, you know.
• 1:35:40
  Corie: I know it's take a lot, uh it's something I want to acknowledge going forward that for for female artists is a big difference coming here than me who just roll out my bed and and get it done.
• 1:35:49
  Corie: So I appreciate you coming.
• 1:35:51
  Corie: And I want to say that even before just observing you as a fan and from afar, I always know JDL always makes it.
• 1:35:57
  Corie: And I if I wasn't sure about that before, I show about it after the research and today, yeah.
• 1:36:02
  Corie: It's just thank you.
• 1:36:04
  Corie: The notion of people talking about you, the notion of a monster is a lockness monster, it don't exist.
• 1:36:09
  Corie: I think I think everybody had their own part, everybody has their own part.
• 1:36:12
  Corie: Everybody, that is it.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody have their own part.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_00: What's for me is for me.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_00: And for me to reach this far, and I'm quite comfortable with how I am right now.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just grateful and thankful.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_00: All I have is humility because I know where I came from, and I know where I have achieved, where I've reached, and there are people that have had monsters that was right now will come to me and ask for for help.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And they are the people who had the monsters, I didn't have the monster.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_00: So at the end of the day, I just grateful for what God has and the universe has placed for me, knowing how far-fetched this was for me.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, just a dream right in your mind.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_00: That and it just manifests.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: So when you see mine pink, understand it's something deep.
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I appreciate that.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_00: My dream, pink it is, my whole house is pink, and that shows that is just um me showing now that this is real.
• 1:37:06
  Corie: Yeah, well, congratulations, congratulations, and you know for fear of getting more um glitter, more pink glitter, just take your hands and make it sure that's on camera.
• 1:37:14
  Corie: So when she sees all the glitter, and you never answer the question as if you went and do the performance for Marshall Valentine's.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, I did not.
• 1:37:23
  Corie: Well, when he comes and go ask him, because I don't believe none of the three people in my equation.
• 1:37:27
  Corie: You, he or your wife.
• 1:37:28
  Corie: I don't believe my.
• 1:37:29
  Corie: But thanks very much, Mario.
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:37:32
  Corie: You good, David?
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.