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Annie Börjesson - A body on the beach · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Found dead on the beach. Police say she died of suicide,
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  Speaker 1: but her family thinks someone out there knows what happened.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do when in your heart you don't
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  Speaker 1: believe your daughter could take her own life, but investigators
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  Speaker 1: won't listen and facts are more than mysterious. Today we're
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  Speaker 1: covering the Scottish case of Annie Boyesen. Good morning. The
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  Speaker 1: following podcast cemeterial for a mature audience listener, just question
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  Speaker 1: that much.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Nicol, I'm Ben, and you are listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. Welcome, what's up?
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: We're here and I'm falling asleep.
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  Speaker 1: Ben is so freakin tired that I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: if he's going to make it through this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: To be honest, I don't know what's with me today,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just like I could curl up in a
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  Speaker 2: ball for about a week.
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  Speaker 1: You're literally a bump on a log right now.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much pretty much. But I'm going to survive through this.
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  Speaker 2: I think I got it.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to just have to You're going to just
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then tell me a story and keep me awake.
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  Speaker 1: Well, something exciting is that it's Rumen eggnog season.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that is exciting.
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  Speaker 1: That is freaking a good season.
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  Speaker 2: You made me my first Rummen eggnog yesterday, which was delicious.
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  Speaker 1: And I went through a phase I remember where I
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  Speaker 1: didn't drink eggnog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you thought eggnog was like horrendous and I was
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  Speaker 2: like that was that? What the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I might have gotten ill or something,
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  Speaker 1: maybe drank a bunch and then got sick like a
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  Speaker 1: flu or something. And then yeah, but then.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, you need to add rum to it, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I can hop on this.
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  Speaker 1: Bandwagon's actually good because yeah, I was doing almond old,
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  Speaker 1: which is just not the same. It's not the same. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for all you dairy intolerance people. I apologize, okay,
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  Speaker 1: And we have to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving in
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  Speaker 1: the US.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit behind now, we're late,
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  Speaker 2: but happy related Thanksgiving, Yeah to all our our Southern
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  Speaker 2: brethren down there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it was Black Friday and it's Cyber Monday,
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  Speaker 1: and I just looked and I have a serious problem.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you do.
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  Speaker 1: I apparently am subscribed to so many things that I
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  Speaker 1: got fucking like one hundred and twenty five emails today
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  Speaker 1: on Cyber Monday, which is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: That is a serious problem, And honestly, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Surprised that is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: You need to fix that. You got some unsubscribing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm going to be doing after this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: because that actually makes me like slightly ill.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't even buy anything today, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: like I need any of those.
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  Speaker 2: I bought something today.
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  Speaker 1: I bought stuff on Black Friday, but I didn't today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't buy Black Friday stuff. I did buy
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  Speaker 2: one thing today.
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  Speaker 1: What did you buy?
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  Speaker 2: A teeny tiny point setup?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll actually have to boast a photo because we
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  Speaker 1: have like last year we had a mini Christmas tree
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  Speaker 1: just on our counter, and this year we up leveled
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  Speaker 1: and I have also have a mini Christmas tree and
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  Speaker 1: a mini point set it and it's the cutest thing
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the most tiny home appropriate decorations I have
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  Speaker 2: ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: It actually is. It makes me so happy, so happy.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting festive up in this beach.
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  Speaker 1: That's gotta wake your ass up getting festive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as long as Mariah Carey doesn't like
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  Speaker 2: boot me in the back. I think I'll slowly wake up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, But then that would just be like I'd
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  Speaker 1: pay money to see that Mariah Carey kick me in
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  Speaker 1: the back things. Yeah, that would be such a sight.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: All right, okay, we have one more topic to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: What's that one? More?
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  Speaker 1: You can? You can? You can start this one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know the time. You've got the notes today?
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  Speaker 1: The Wicked Box, the Wicked Boxes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did a giveaway a couple of months
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  Speaker 2: ago on the Wicked Box. We've put together some cool stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a little box and did a giveaway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quite a giveaway, epic.
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  Speaker 2: Treasure hunt thing. We're doing it again, not just yet.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking for around Christmas time. We're going to have
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  Speaker 2: two that we're going to give away this time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we've ordered some supplies for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as of right now, we have absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: idea how we're going to give them away, So we
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  Speaker 2: got to start planning that out too. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if we're going to go it was quite in depth
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  Speaker 2: as we did before.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was just going to say. Should we
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  Speaker 1: go in depth or should we just like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: make it a bit easier.
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  Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: We could do one of each or something. We'll see,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, just want to let you guys know what
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  Speaker 2: that's coming down the pipe. You ordered some stuff for
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  Speaker 2: it the other day, and it's going to be pretty dope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exciting. I mean everyone was pretty pumped. It
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  Speaker 1: was a cool box. It was filled with stuff i'd want.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, who wouldn't want a wicked box?
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  Speaker 2: It sounds pretty wicked to.
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  Speaker 1: Me, sound dope?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: What are you out for a case for us? Today?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so today we're talking about the mysterious death of
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  Speaker 1: Annie Boyesen, and I hope I am saying that right.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize to Annie if I'm not, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: Swedish and I did look it up and that that's
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  Speaker 1: how I'm going to say it in my my Canadian
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  Speaker 1: American accent.
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  Speaker 2: You're Canadian and American.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I am?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean we technically are North American.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just American has been the adopted nickname for the
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  Speaker 2: United States, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so and a mysterious one. It is like, wow, wow, wow, Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I do know a little bit about this case
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  Speaker 2: because I almost did it at one point.
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  Speaker 1: You did, actually, and then I stole it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for that. Sorry, but it's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to buckle up my proverbial seat belt
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  Speaker 2: here and uh click, I'm ready to go. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: buckled in.
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  Speaker 1: So it's one of those stories that's going to stick
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  Speaker 1: with you. Every time something happens, it just leaves you
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  Speaker 1: feeling like there's no way they could get any stranger,
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  Speaker 1: yet it does.
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  Speaker 2: Can you say it one more time? Just really relaxed
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  Speaker 2: that any time was real, like abrupt jump in okay.
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  Speaker 2: So just you're talking to me and you're just like, oh, okay, yeah, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So every time something happens in this case, it just
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  Speaker 1: leaves you feeling like there's no way things could get stranger,
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  Speaker 1: yet it does.
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  Speaker 2: It does. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild. It's bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: No, some of the stuff I do know about it, it
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  Speaker 2: is wild. It is bizarre. Yeah, I have a feeling
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot more to it that that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna blow my mind. I'm excited for this one.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll learn some things. So Annie was born
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  Speaker 1: in Sweden in nineteen seventy five. She was half Hungarian.
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  Speaker 1: At five foot eight, she had an athletic build and
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  Speaker 1: was a Swedish beauty. So she had blonde hair and
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  Speaker 1: blue eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I can, like quite literally like picture her picture
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  Speaker 2: in my mind. Actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even before I had picked and researched this case,
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  Speaker 1: like I had recognized her photo too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you have seen her photo?
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  Speaker 1: I have? Yeah, Okay, So I mean I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like a fairly well known case, really it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty big one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, so she seemed to be an absolutely incredible person
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  Speaker 1: as well. She played in a band. She loved nature
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  Speaker 1: and being outdoors and absolutely loved Rugby. Also, something that's
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  Speaker 1: super impressive in my books, she spoke a total five
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  Speaker 1: different languages.
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  Speaker 2: That is boss vibes right there. Yeah, holy shit, I
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  Speaker 2: can barely speak English.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I feel like around here we can barely
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  Speaker 1: speak one language. So I'm just like in awe. It's
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  Speaker 1: actually my buck list one day to learn a second language, though,
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  Speaker 1: I think I would like to try that.
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  Speaker 2: Which language would you learn?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to pick one because I'd
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  Speaker 1: want to pick one and then go to that area
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  Speaker 1: and like, you know, practice it. But I mean they
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  Speaker 1: would probably be like wow, well, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Of course if it's not your native language, it's not
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  Speaker 2: you can just come up and roll out and be like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this flawlessly for the first time ever. It's
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  Speaker 2: not the expectation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes I think like Spanish, but then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe something different. I don't know what about you Japanese Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking you're going to say that, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to Japanese really.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, huh, well, I mean I did. I did martial
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  Speaker 2: arts as a kid, right, so there was that Japanese
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  Speaker 2: kind of culture behind the martial arts. And then I'm
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  Speaker 2: a big, like anime fan, I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: Japan one day, and it's just yeah, it's Japanese wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 2: Boom done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to go to Japan too, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So another big passion for Annie was Scotland. She spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time in Scotland in two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: four and absolutely fell in love with the country. That
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  Speaker 1: is also a place we would like to visit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: She immersed herself in the country and got to know
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  Speaker 1: the people, in the culture and also the countryside through
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  Speaker 1: her many long hikes around historical sites.
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  Speaker 2: Jealous, I want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I know well you have like Scottish in yea a
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  Speaker 1: little bit right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Freedom?
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  Speaker 1: No, sorry, but Annie had. She had a tough time
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  Speaker 1: being able to get a permanent residency permit and had
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  Speaker 1: to leave Scotland in August of two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 1: Annie didn't give up, though, she knew without a doubt
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  Speaker 1: where she wanted to be, and she went back and
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  Speaker 1: forth between Scotland and Sweden a few times before she
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  Speaker 1: finally landed back in Scotland for good the next year
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, she made a home for
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  Speaker 1: herself in Edinburgh, and all that stood between her and
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  Speaker 1: knowing for sure that she could stay in the place
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  Speaker 1: that she had fallen in love was, of course, finding
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  Speaker 1: a job.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry. I'm a little bit distracted because my
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  Speaker 2: parents had gone to Scotland before and they I know it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was like, did I say something wrong?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's the way you said Edinburgh, and I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to think they said that they could the people there
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  Speaker 2: at the locals knew that they were Canadian because the
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  Speaker 2: way they said Edinburgh and I'm trying to remember if
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  Speaker 2: it's because anyone from the state says Edinburgh. I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to I don't know sure if to get it backwards.
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  Speaker 1: I did listen to something. I can't remember what they said,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, there was different, different and wrong ways to
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  Speaker 1: pronounce it, and I think it was Edinburgh Borough or Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: I believe Edinburgh is the correct way to say it.
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  Speaker 1: There was two correct ways to say Is there two?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: From what I saw anyway, But well, shit, anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Who's from Scotland or knows, we need to know what's
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  Speaker 2: the correct way. What's the correct pronunciation? Is it Edinburgh? Edinburgh?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? Are we just way off base here.
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  Speaker 1: And way off who knows?
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So back to Annie. She needed to find a job, right,
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  Speaker 1: you got to make that chetta chetta cheese. Annie kept
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  Speaker 1: at it, trying everywhere she could to find that last
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  Speaker 1: missing piece of the puzzle. But there's only so many
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  Speaker 1: hours of the day that you can dedicate to jaw hunting,
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  Speaker 1: fair enough, and Annie wanted to make the most of
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  Speaker 1: every minute she had. I think we can all vouch
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  Speaker 1: basically how was Austin. Job hunting is like it actually
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  Speaker 1: kind of sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sure. It's like one of the worst things ever.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I could literally have a billboard with three four
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  Speaker 2: different job options in front of me and I'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't found any jobs today.
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  Speaker 1: I do think writing the cover well, no, it's all
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  Speaker 1: just shit. Never mind, I was gonna say that writing
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  Speaker 1: the cover letter is the worst, but also, like, the
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  Speaker 1: interview is pretty horrific too.
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  Speaker 2: I honest, interviews are fucking bullshit for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: They ask you the most ridiculous questions that don't pertain
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  Speaker 2: to the job usually and don't mean anything. People usually
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  Speaker 2: know what you're trying to ask them, so I'll just
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  Speaker 2: give you a false answer anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you're good at thinking, I'm like on
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  Speaker 1: your feet like that. Yeah, So why don't listen to
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  Speaker 1: Ben's advice?
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  Speaker 2: There's good things about interviews, don't get me wrong. You
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  Speaker 2: can definitely get a feel for a person, but it
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  Speaker 2: can be someone can totally manipulate that whole system as well. Well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's some people who are just really
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  Speaker 1: nervous and stuff, so their true colors won't be shining
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  Speaker 1: through right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So so for the time being, she was able to
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  Speaker 1: collect unemployment from Sweden though, which she gave her a
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  Speaker 1: bit of breathing room in her new life. And when
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't busy looking for a job, you could usually
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  Speaker 1: find Annie in one of her many favorite spots, which
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  Speaker 1: were outside in the countryside where she did all those
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  Speaker 1: long hikes around local historical sites and landmarks. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I thought that was like a cafe or
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  Speaker 2: something at first, one of her favorite spots outside on
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  Speaker 2: the countryside. It sounds like a cafe name or something.
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  Speaker 1: Or like a little cottage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, it took me
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  Speaker 2: a second to realize. Oh, like, no, literally in the countryside.
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  Speaker 1: Or you could find her at the swimming hall where
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  Speaker 1: she regularly swam to keep herself fit, or at the
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  Speaker 1: local rugby club. Annie had a really big passion for rugby,
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  Speaker 1: and spending time at the club gave her the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to have a drink, unwind and make friends with the locals.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. She kind of seemed like she just
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  Speaker 1: like immersed herself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't afraid to kind of go to those yees.
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  Speaker 1: And I really like that. So and this tactic actually
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  Speaker 1: quickly paid off for her. Was kind and friendly, and
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  Speaker 1: before she knew it, she was getting invited to all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of events and parties and was making all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of new friends, even though she'd only been back in
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  Speaker 1: the country for a few months. Good for her, Good
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  Speaker 1: for Annie. Some you know, the grass ain't always greener though.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Here's where the tables turn my how the turntables?
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I'm always like hesitant. I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: sounds so nice, but we got to go to a
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  Speaker 1: dark place. So something wasn't quite right though, and her
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  Speaker 1: friends and family were starting to pick up on it.
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  Speaker 1: She started to sound a bit troubled in phone conversations,
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  Speaker 1: saying she had to take care of something, had a
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  Speaker 1: decision to make that might be life changing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: On Thursday, December one, first, she had a conversation with
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  Speaker 1: her mother, who shared that her family was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a bit worried and growing concerned about her, to which
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  Speaker 1: she responded, You'll have to respect this, but I have
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  Speaker 1: to take care of myself. That same night, Annie made
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  Speaker 1: a call to one of her friends in Sweden, telling
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  Speaker 1: her that she was heading out to a party later
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  Speaker 1: that night. She didn't give her a lot of detail
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  Speaker 1: other than she was really looking forward to it. They
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  Speaker 1: chit chatted for a little bit before Annie said that
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  Speaker 1: she had to go go so that she could get
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  Speaker 1: ready for the party, and the two hung up. But
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  Speaker 1: no witnesses ever came forward in regards to this party,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the last time Annie's friend or her
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  Speaker 1: family ever heard from her.
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  Speaker 2: So there's no witnesses to come forward from party to
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  Speaker 2: saying she was.
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  Speaker 1: There, there was even a party, or that it ever happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So unless no one just came forward but you heard
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  Speaker 1: someone would I don't know so. Because on December or sorry, Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: December fourth, a man out walking his dog on a
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  Speaker 1: beach in the Preswick Bay found the body of a
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  Speaker 1: thirty year old woman, that woman being Annie. The police
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  Speaker 1: rushed to the scene to investigate, but it was quickly
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  Speaker 1: determined by them that Annie had committed suicide.
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  Speaker 2: I have a really bad joke you want to make.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we should make a joke.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know, that's the thing. It's like, all respect
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: to Annie, but I also at the same time do
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: hope that the police kind of ran up to your
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: and was like Annie, are you okay?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Oh are you okay? Sorry, Okay, that's not as bad
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: and it's about you, okay, yeah, Actually all poor Annie.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I feel so bad for her, I know. So after
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: they went through the steps of identifying the body as
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: being Annie, family back in Sweden got the call that
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: their beloved daughter Annie was gone. That right there, to me,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: is like almost a reason to just never have kids,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: because I couldn't imagine what kind of of like loss
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that feels to you.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Having your child, Like get that phone call that you're,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: holy shit passed away.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't imagine.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: It's like take a night, carve out your heart and stomach.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow yeah, but I mean, what's the saying, better
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to have loved and lost than never to have loved
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, you're getting deep on us.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I mean someone actually said that quote to me the
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: other day. So that's why I was remembered it because
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I was just like, God, like our animals even worth it,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: because like, I'm still pretty upset about Mika, right and so,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: and now we have rippling and I'm like God, I'm
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do this again, like, is it even
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: worth it? But it's totally worth it because to not
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: love is that's not a life.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not so so.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: A loss and a sudden one, as in the case
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of Annie, are always a shock. But Annie's deemed suicide
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: sent her family and friends into a huge state of disbelief,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: so much so that they actually called the police right
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: away and told them that there was no way that
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Annie could have committed suicide. The police, however, disagreed.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I'm curious on these details.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of details. This is. Yeah, I don't
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: even know where I am in this case right now,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: but we're just getting started. So when investigators examined the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: scene and Annie's body on that cold December morning, they
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: found everything they needed to rule it a suicide. In
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: their opinion, She allegedly looked as though she had drowned
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and her body was covered in sand and seaweed, telling
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: investigators that she died at sea. She had an unexplained
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: depression in the skin, small areas of bruising to the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: right temple, scratched abrasion on the left arm, and two patterned,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: roughly square contoosed areas on the right arm. This is
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like coming from the autopsy, okay, but police
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: believed these minor injuries suggested that she had been hit
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: by things in the water and her body was dragged
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: across the beach in the tide, which I mean it
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: could be.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering. I'm not too sure on how like the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: science of the body is, but I'm not so non
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: postpartem bruising.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could tell the thing is like you could
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: tell if they were.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Happened after Yeah, I know someone would be able to tell.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm also really leary about someone committing suicide by drowning,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: not to say doesn't happen usually if it's a water suicide,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it's jumping off of something into the water and it's
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the impact.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and so was there and then you think
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: there'd be.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: A Marx Yeah, oh yeah. No. Once you jump at
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: water from a certain height, it's like you're hitting concrete.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You'd be breaking bones and shit. Was there a location around,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you know, that would have been of heights that someone
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: could have jumped off for suicide in a scenario like this.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Not that I exactly know about, but I do mention
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: here later the investigator stuck to their theory that Annie
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: had committed suicide either by jumping off a cliff or
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: walking out into sea and drowning, and they simply close
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I can't see someone who went swimming for recreation to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: walk out to sea to drown. I can see someone, yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: does not have swimming skills to do that.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Because that's one thing, yeah, and the other. Okay, I'm
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: going to be kind of going back and forth here
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: because we're jumping ahead. But she had like her belongings
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: were very close to her body.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So like the fact that she says she jumped off
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a cliff, like there's no way that everything would just
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: end up kind of in the same place.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go back to that swimming theory
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: if you don't mind, sure, Okay. So there was an
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: interview I watched off someone who survived jumping off the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Golden Gate Bridge, like the odds are stupid thin of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that survival happening. And he said the moment he let go,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he regretted it. He regretted jumping, but he survived. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: anyone who survived something like that, they regret it the second.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do yes, like hangings
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and they can't, they can't fix what happened. Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So I can't see someone with swimming skills going out
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: into the water just wading out from the beach purposely
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: drowning themselves, because your reaction, potentially regret instincts, would cause
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you to start swimming to the surface and save yourself.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I think the only way that primarily the only way
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: that would be a suicidal option is if someone doesn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have the skills to save themselves and they're in too
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: deep and they can't it's too late to turn back.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: But the other thing is the water would be hella
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: cold too, but still you'd probably have the opportunity to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: swim back, yeah and save yourselves.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean up here in Canada, we swim in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: hell of cold water. Lots. Yeah, Like people do the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: polar bear dip. They jump in cold water and they
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: turn around and swim back, no problem.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do that too, but I hate
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: being cold, So I just don't think it's gonna happen
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: for anyone curious.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: In the polar bear dip. That's literally they cut holes
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: in in winter and you jump in and.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Lots of times it's on New Year's Day, like January first,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it's like how you're ringing in your new year.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah that so it's like minus thirty three celsius in
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the air, So not cool. Anyways, that's my rant on
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: why I think she did not wade into the water.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we'll see what you think at the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: end of what happened here. Like, there's quite a few things.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So one thing that I'm just backing up a little bit.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: She had an uncast check for three hundred pounds on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: her and most of her longing belongings, like I was saying,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: were either found on her or in her backpack, which
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: had been washed up only a few meters away from
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: her body, suggesting that this wasn't a robbery gone wrong,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but also suggesting it probably wasn't her jumping off a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: cliff and all her belongings just magically landing next to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have probably been still at the top
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of the cliff. Yeah, she would have taken them off,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: put them there or something, or they would have been
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: just scattered out in the water. Yeah, one of the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: two exactly, or left at her apartment or who knows where.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so because the investigators pretty much deemed that this
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: was a suicide, like right off the get go, really right,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They did not call a forensic team to the scene,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they didn't few witnesses, and they just left it at that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: So there was a lot of things that they probably
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: should have done or should have collected or but in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: their mind it's like they arrived and they just were like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: she committed suicide.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: See, an investigation should be issued to detern in something
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Suicide, regardless of how obvious it looks, because I mean
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: lots of times, as we know, people are setting up
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: other people or yeah, or what right, Like, there's.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: That's the purpose of an investigation, right to find answers,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: especially when.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: The family is just so adamant too. But I mean,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: if they didn't collect things right off the bat, they
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: before the family was even notified, like what are they
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: going to do? Yeah, But Annie's family, in their gut,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like I've been saying, did not believe Annie would commit suicide,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't shake the feeling that there was something
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: else going on. They knew that Annie had planned on
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: coming back to Sweden pretty close to the date that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: she had been discovered. She actually already had an appointment
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: with her hairdresser for the following Monday, and it was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: sad or Sunday when she was found. Okay, so like Monday,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: she had plans to get her hair done in a Sweden.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Huh, it doesn't sound like someone who's buck made suicide.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And she was found with books in her backpack that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: needed to be returned to a library in Sweden, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: she had paid her rent. So none of that was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: consistent with someone who had planned on taking their own
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: lives or on their own life. And they told the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: investigators just that. Yeah, But when they realized that Scottish
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: police weren't going to look into Any's case any further,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: her family and friends back in Sweden began looking into
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: anything and everything that they could find to help explain
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: what happened to her, and they had a pretty good
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: idea of where to start. So just to briefly touch
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: on that, though, I think it can often be a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: shock when a loved one does take their own life,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and it's not often expected, right, But then on the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: other hand, when you have a gut feeling you need
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to listen. You do need to listen to that, and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they found many things that would question whether Annie actually
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: committed suicide or not. And that's what I'm going to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: start touching on.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it. I'm curious.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So in the week leading up to her death, Annie
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: had complained about meeting someone at the local rugby club
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: who had rubbed her kind of the wrong way. She'd
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: only met him a few times, but after each encounter,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: she'd later be on the phone, either talking to her
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: parents or her friends about this guy who just didn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: want to seem to like take the hint that she
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't interested, gotcha.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of those guys.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: One of those guys.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Persistence sometimes that does it pays off, but you have
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to do it in not a creepy ass way. Yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: there's a right and a wrong way to have persistence.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: There you go, that's perfect way of putting it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: So the guy was Martin Leslie, a pretty prominent ru
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: ugby player from New Zealand who was in scott who
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: was in Scotland to play a match with Hotland. Like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you said that, I know, I actually pronounced that really weird,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But Scotland Scotland. I just changed the name of Scotland. Sorry.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Some people probably announce it like that potent.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So, with everything we know about Annie, chances are she
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: would have initially been really stoked that a professional rugby
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: player wanted to buy her a drink, like she had
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a type, and like a rugby player would have been
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: her type.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Fair enough. Yeah, I mean honestly, if a professional rugby
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: player wanted to buy me a drink, I'd be like, dude,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, homo, but let's do this thing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. You'd be like, yeah, let's chat. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: let's hear your life story.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I might be like, you know what, no, homo,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: but I'll try anything once. So who knows?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, says the married man.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I got nothing.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right here.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But that excitement changed relatively quickly to her trying to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: avoid Martin. She had told family and friends on the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: phone that he was really pushy and he kept trying
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to get her to drink, even when she told him
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that she didn't want to and made it clear that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: she wasn't even interested in him.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he sounds like a douche canoe.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he seemed to be somewhat stalking at oh
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: because she would run into him. Around town, including the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: swimming hall one time when she was there like to
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: work out, but she had never seen him there previously.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Annie ended up telling her friend later that this guy
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: was nothing but a sexual predator, which are pretty big
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: ass words, no kidding, So she didn't knock at a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: good vibe from this guy.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Wow, all right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: These phone calls were among the first things that popped
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: into Annie's family in friends' heads when Annie was discovered dead.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: To be fair, if I may, yeah, of course there
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: it could have very well been coincidence. Maybe he was just, hey,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I need to work on my cardio on it she
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: starts swimming.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Because he is from New Zealand.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So maybe it could very well be coincidence. Yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And maybe her perception of him is that he's a
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: sexual predator. But where she's getting she's going off her gut.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's just trying to be nice, trying to be persistent,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: but he's just coming off creepy who knows.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Right, which some people do come across creepy, yeah, meaning.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: To be I'm not saying he wasn't a sexual predator.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying we don't know for sure.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm not throwing this guy's name like what we.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Eat to the ground, bagging his name in the mud.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, because I'll will just just wait, okay, okay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So they the family notified the Scottish police, telling them
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to look into Martin Leslie and saying that he could
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: have had something to do with Annie's death and that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: he may have been stalking her, and the place did
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: agree to like look into this. They went about asking
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in the places where Annie usually spent her time, especially
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the rugby club, looking for Martin Leslie, but they hit
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: dead end after dead end until they decided that enough
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: was enough and reached out to him through the contacts
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: on his rugby team and their PR team in New Zealand.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: In almost minutes, investigators in Scotland were in contact with Martin,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: who simply shook his head and said that he was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: in New Zealand at the time he was allegedly stalking Annie. Oh,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the investigators were able to confirm with his team that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Martin had been with them this whole time and he
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: was cleared of any suspicion. But this only left Annie's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: family and friends even more confused.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: So who was this douche canoe? Yeah, so he's just
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: claiming to be this dude basically. Okay, I'm betting that
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: he was. Whoever this is was already eyeing up Annie
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: prior to learned her type and approached her after weeks
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of already watching her.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah, yeah, which I mean, so
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I guess she didn't actually know what he looked like
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: or anything.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: What year was this?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Around two thousand and five?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, so pre most social media?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean here, just wait, so I'm going
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to touch on this a little bit. Here. They were
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: all certain that Annie had spoken about meeting him. He'd
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: given her details about his life, his family, and his
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: career that all checked out with information that did fit
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the real Martin Leslie.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there still was Internet at this time, it
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: just wasn't yeah prevalent.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Right, So this person had like research. He was probably
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a fan of Martin Leslie and Shelby, to be honest.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wouldn't be that hard to do a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Google search and figure out who he was. And he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: knew that she was into rugby players, looked up who
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it was. Maybe he was a fan and knew exactly
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: who he pick. But his research was like that's who
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah for her, which is y as fuck.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: So, according to the official timelines, there was no way
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that Martin and Annie could have ever met, especially in Scotland.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Scotland the assumed week in Scotland, I keep saying that funny. Hey,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad that time. Scotland.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It's like Newfoundland in Canada, it's Newfoundland, but if you
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: actually read it, it's new found Land.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but we say it Newfoundland.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: English is weird. See anyone that has to learn English,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's just like fucked fucked. It's because
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like there are literally things said the same way but
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: spelt differently. Oh yeah, Like it could be spelt three
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: ways differently, but it's said the same Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Where are they there over there?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And then you have to use them in different contexts
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like there yeah, Oh my gosh. Anyway, now that's making
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: me sweat.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, I who ever has to learn our shitty language,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: we are sorry. It's a whole fucking gong.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Show, it actually is. So Annie's family and friends were
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: then left wondering if someone was lying or if there
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was maybe something else going on, and they became even
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: more determined to get to the bottom of the story.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Like gosh, I couldn't even imagine from across the seas
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they They all did their best to try and collect
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: all the information they could about Annie's final days, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: more often than not, they ended up hitting roadblocks and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: not in the places you'd usually expect to find them
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in any investigation, like the road Yeah, because a roadblock
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: A roadblock.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry, bad pun.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That was a bad pun. I was like, I don't
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: even know how to like make this seem funnier. Sorry,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that was what was going on in my head. How
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: do I make Ben's bad jokes seem funnier?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: You just like cringed at me mid podcast. Love it?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Oh love you, babe, Love you too, Okay. So, hoping
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to prove and verify some of the calls Annie had
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: made to them to talk about her life and the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: now unidentified man she met just the week before her death,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: her family reached out to her phone provider to get
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the information on her call history, but they got nothing. Instead.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: When they looked at the list to people that Annie
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: had been in contact with that week, every single one
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of their names was missing, which simply didn't make any
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: sense from her phone. Yeah, there was no record of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: phone calls White. This was through her phone to the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: phone company phone provider. Oh wow from apparently Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Her friend family and friends knew for a fact that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they had all been in contact with Annie several times
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that week, but the phone records were suddenly telling a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: very different story. Wow, which is really messed up.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: That is fucking intense. Holy shit.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: That would be like us phoning tell Us and I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: think basically and them just having no record that we
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: made any calls.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Or Shaw not to say that we use tell Us,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: because if tell Us wants us to say we use them,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: they'd have to sponsor us.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, where the hell am I know? Okay,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So the Scottish police took a look at those phone
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: records too, and it did nothing to push them into
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: investigating the case any further, of course, right, it didn't
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: change their minds about determining Annie's death as suicide, and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: instead they turned around and said that the data they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: had and the story Annie's family and friends were telling
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: them didn't add up, because apparently, to the phone records,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Annie hadn't made or received any phone calls in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: last three days leading up to her death, but.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: The family would be able to provide their call history,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you would.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Think so, right, Yeah, I don't know, but I think
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the police were just like, it seemed like they're just
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: not even what's the word receptive. Yeah, they weren't even
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: They're just like, this case.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Is closed, okay, They're just kind of brushing it off me, like, yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Brushing it off. Yeah. So this completely knocked Annie's family,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: who at this point just felt like they were finding
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: this huge or fighting this huge uphill battle and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Scottish police had no interest in hearing any opinions and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: they didn't agree with their own. Fuck, but their daughter
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: was dead and they still had no answers to explain why.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: That's brutal.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Annie's mother then came up with the idea to have
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: a look at Annie's email account okay okay, hoping that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: something would be in there that could potentially bowl the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: case wide open. But when she logged into Annie's account
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and opened her mailbox, it was wiped. It was again
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: completely cleared. Wow, just like her phone records, Annie's entire
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: mailbox incoming and outcoming, everything gone. Wow. But I mean, okay,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: that one some people do actually like are like pretty
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: obsessed with clearing their inbox. Like I'm my freaking inbox
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: right now is has seventeen hundred on read messages, which
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: oh god, people would just barf god.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I get to a hundred and then I have to
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: go and clear shit.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I got one hundred and twenty five messages today,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: so I clearly have to start some describing to shit.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: No kidding, but anyway, I do think the inbox being
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: cleared makes kind of sense to me, But the oat
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: box doesn't necessarily make sense because I don't know if
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: people really.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: That's not something that's generally cleared because.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You kind of almost want to keep that. Yeah, So
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: no one could figure out why and why any and
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: all the information that should have been very black and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: white and usually key evidence in investigations kept coming up blank.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Oh I can tell you why, because someone fucking deleted it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I know, because it was It wasn't just like fuzzy
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like it was just like entirely missing this shit, right.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: So that was until Annie's best friend connected a few
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: dots that took this case to a whole new level.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Shit, I am on the edge of my seat.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So her friend's name was Maria. She found an American
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: investigative journalist by the name of Christina Borjesin, who wrote
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: several highly critical articles about American policies.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Way she had the same last name as Annie.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, was it like a sibling?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Just wait, okay, you can just wait.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Sorry, will you? It just seemed like you're going to
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: just blow past the same last name.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm not blown past that. So the coincidence of
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: both Annie and Christina sharing a last name can be
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: overlooked at first, like people share the same last name. Yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But a lot more than just a family name ties
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: these two younger women together. Annie's middle name was Christina,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: so she was Annie Christina Boriesin. And the last article
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that American journalist Christina Borrijesen wrote about involved Scotland and
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: one particular place in Scotland, the Prestwick Airport. The article
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: investigated and criticized Scotland for allowing American planes caring criminals
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: on their way to places where they could legally torture
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: for information to and refuel in this airport, the same
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: airport that Annie traveled back and forth in Sweden, or
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: back and forth to Sweden from and the airport that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was only a mile from where Annie's body was found,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and we'll bounce back to more about Christina shortly. I'm
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: going to leave you hanging here off for foxx sakes,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But first, Annie had allegedly visited the airport the day
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: before her body was found, So we're kind of like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: going to December third, right now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Annie was found on Sunday, December fourth, so it can
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: be assumed that she was at the airport on December
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: third to catch a flight home. I don't know if
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Annie's family knew exactly when she was coming home, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we do know they were expecting her sometime around this time. Gotcha, Yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And she had her appointment with her hairdresser on Monday,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: library books to return, and she had her passport.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: With her and a check for three.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Three hundred pounds sorry pounds. She went to the Central
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: station where she tried to take money out of an
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: ATM twice. I think she tried to take a hundred
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: bucks first and then fifty bucks, but both times she
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough money in her account for the transaction
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: to go through. The leading theory is that Annie was
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: trying to get money out so that she could buy
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: her plane ticket back home. And remember she had this
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: uncash check for three hundred pounds on her So why
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: didn't she cash the check if she didn't have enough
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: money in cash to buy her plane ticket?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you cash a check at an ATM,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it's going to be held for like three to five days.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It could, but I think if you like go in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you can probably get the funds. Maybe they were closed, yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: but if she's at the airport. She wasn't at the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: airport and she went to the bank, OK, gotcha. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she was like at these ATMs, but she was unsuccessful
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: in getting money. So then Annie caught the bus from
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the central station and headed straight to the airport, where
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: she was caught on CCTV footage. According to the footage,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Annie was at the airport a total five minutes before
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: she left, taking a totally different route. She didn't try
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to buy a ticket, She didn't really do anything. She
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: sort of arrived at the airport and then left. Huh.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Camera showed her leaving the airport through the short stay
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: car park, suggesting that she planned on walking back into
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: town instead of taking the bus. And it was it
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: was this or sorry and this is where things got
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: tricky again, Like it's just we're just all over our
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: place here. Her family stated that the CCTV from the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: airport showed images of Annie looking angry, like she did
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: not look happy, so they speculated if maybe she was
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: perhaps planning to meet someone there and they didn't show
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And this is a side note that I haven't mentioned yet.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: One thing is that before Annie died, she had mentioned
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to her dad that she was going to get married.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: But that's all we know about that.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Now. You just dropped this fucking bomb on us. Yeah, okay, okay,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: what the fuck?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So I think some people are like, maybe she was
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: going to be meeting her future husband at the airport
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and like they were going to be going home together,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: but then he didn't show up.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: But she only waited five minutes. That's not that people
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: are going to wait a lot longer than five.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would unless they had messaged her or something.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but I mean two thousand and five phones
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: weren't as prevalent then.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I think in two thousand and five you still had
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a phone. We were in high school and we had phones.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a phone in high school. My parents
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: didn't have cell phones on. I got my first phone,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I think in two thousand and seven.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Really, I'm like pretty certain I had a phone in
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, two thousands. I got a flip phone.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I got my first the old school Nokia phone when
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I got my first job at that sawmill, because I
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: was on call and I needed a way to make
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: sure I was available for a call. And that's when
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I got my phone.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Honestly, those were the good old days. Yeah, because the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: fact that you just have to be readily fucking available
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: at any moment now sucks for anyone all the time,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Like sucks. Yeah, that's my ted talk. Okay, So back
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to the airport. According and this kind of gets a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: little bit confusing, so I'm trying to like word it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: so it's not But according to the time stamps, Annie
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: could have only reached the area she was spotted going
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: into the airport to when she was seen leaving, the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: exact time frame that the time stamp on the footage
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: said she had if she had been running. Oh, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the footage shows Annie carrying her bag and walking completely normal,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And people had gone back and like tried to redo
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: this and yeah, to do to get to where she was,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you had have been like running.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: From like basically gate to gate sort of thing, right,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: kind Oh yeah, wow.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: So Annie left the airport at fifteen fifteen, and, according
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to more CCTV analysis, was believed to be seen again
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: at sixteen oh five at Station Road. Then they can
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: only say believe because the footage doesn't actually show the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: woman's face, but she has the same backpack as Annie,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and that was enough for the place to determine that
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it was Annie. So the thing is like they're just
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: assuming shit, Yeah, they are, like a lot of people
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: have the same backpack. They don't make one of something.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So, just twenty minutes after Annie was supposedly at Station Road,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: two men reported seeing someone standing on the beach. The
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: person had their hood up, and the men couldn't say
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: if it had been a man or a woman, only
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that they seemed to be standing eerily still while staring
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: out at the water. The men left the person alone
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and continued their walk along the beach, but when they
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: were on their way back, this person was still standing there,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: just watching the water. The investigators determined from the report
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that this person was Annie and this was her amping
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: herself up to commit suicide.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Fuck that. I'm sorry. I've sat there watching water lots.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I know what if you were just like a and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: they had no idea if this person was like a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: man or woman or yeah, I freaking love the ocean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: so I could stand there for a while and just watch.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine if it's like everyone who just stood
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: there watching a scenic landscape of some sort was just
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: assumed that they're about to commit suicide. Yeah, Like, I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that's damn near the fucking opposite. When I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: like I need to get out of this like depression state.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go look at something and relax.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and just like, oh man, how can
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I get out of the situation. You're going to go
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to somewhere that's really beautiful and just take some deep
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: breasts and just like try to get back get back
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: on your groove exactly.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So, so I no, I do not subscribe to that. Yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: yeah at all.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: So what exactly was Annie doing that day? And had
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the footage at the airport been altered or was there
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: something missing from it all together? Had Annie been there
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to try to buy a ticket, or had she been
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: there for some other reason? Now to bounce back to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Christina Bouryessin. There's two theories there, the first one being
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that Annie herself was actually Christina.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, what so.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: That Annie was actually this writer Christina. That's like, that's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: one very far out theory that some reports do say.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't technically believe that, but they're saying
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: these two people were actually the same person and that
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Annie was actually like a journalist writing these stories.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, but do they know who Christina is today?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, I believe they do. So I don't think that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that theory makes any sense, but I did read it,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm gonna put it in here.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm pretty sure the family would be like, yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: that's not our daughter.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: So the more common theory, though, is that this was
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: a case of mistaken identity and this makes sense to me,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and that Annie was mistaken to be Christina, and being
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that Christina had written an article on a pretty hot
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: topic involving politics, perhaps security services believed Annie was in
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Scotland to investigate the airport. Yeah, and she attracted some
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: unwonted attention that went south.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Oh snap, Yeah, that's very plausible, actually, can I can
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: totally see that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: If only Annie's file offax could be found, which from
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: what I can tell, is just like a planner. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if you heard that file.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Offax, No, can't say.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it might be kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: from over there. So her file of flax and fleece
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: jacket were the only two items missing from Annie's bay.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Within her file of flax, Annie would have kept all
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: her documentation together, her id, her money, and more importantly,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Annie used it to keep detailed notes about her days,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: so her travel plans, maybe even contact information for this
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: mysterious man who called himself Martin Leslie. Okay, the folder
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was believed by Annie's family to have the answers to
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: many unknown questions, but unfortunately it was never discovered. But
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: it was also never really searched for. Like they kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of thought they should have got the coastguards or something
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to search within the waters for this, but like nothing
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: like that happened. Fuck Okay, So now the last thing
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: we'll basically touch on is Annie's body being returned to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Sweden so her family could bury her there. Yeah, they
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: were finally able to get their hands on some physical
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: evidence to prove that their daughter didn't commit suicide. This
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: was their hope. The first thing was that the Swedish Undertaker.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Do you know what that is?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Well? I know what an undertaker is.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're not familiar with the term, I wasn't.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: An undertaker is basically like a funeral home operator, so
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: someone who prepares bodies for burial.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I learned what an undertaker was at a really young age.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Really, I had never heard of Edward referred to that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Well. As a kid, I watched a bit of wrestling.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: There was a wrestler named the Undertaker.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: It was because of him.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not like a huge fan of wrestling, but that's
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: a terrific name for a wrestler, isn't it? Like it
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't actually get better than Yeah?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: He was. He was like super goth and badass.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: There was times he would like come out in a
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: coffin and shit.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Wow wow, like really went with that title?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck, yeah he did.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the Undertaker now I just can't think of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: this without thinking of that. Took one look at Annie's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: autopsy report and said the injuries stated in the report
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: did not match with what they were seeing on her body.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: They claimed she had several bruises that seemed to be
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: incurred while she was still alive, which the autopsy in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Scotland hadn't recorded. Even when taking bruising and discolouration that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: happens after death into account, they couldn't see why the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: massive bruise on the side right arm and behind the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: ear that was larger than described hadn't been included in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the report or looked at at looked into it all.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I fucking I said it at the beginning. I'm sorry,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I basically did. What did you say with those bruises?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I was really suspect to those bruises, Okay, you know
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the importance of them in like bruce mortem or whatever.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So I mean, and the thing is, like, I hope
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the undertaker would know so much, but then also it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: would they have. It's not like a like a autopsy. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: So these findings only gave Annie's friends and family new
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: hope that her case maybe could be reopened right.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: And deemed not a suicide. But no, really, no fuck.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: The family even reached out to the Swedish police so
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: their own police, and begged for help with trying to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: figure out what happened to Annie. And noo sympathetic Swedish
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: police told Annie's family that there was no way they
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: could launch a separate investigation into Annie's death without jeopardizing
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Sweden's relationship with a foreign company. Our country. What the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: fuck's in the country.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I can I can totally understand.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I can kind of understand that too, but gosh, his
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: family just is like.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Fucked.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's closure nothing. Yeah. And that's basically that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the Scottish people certainly wanted answers, almost as much as
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: that as Annie's family did.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure everyone does so much.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So that anonymous person had placed a plaque on Preswick
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Bay that read Annie Boyesen born January seventh, nineteen seventy five,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: found dead December fourth, two thousand and five. Her loved
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: ones never found out how or why a blot on
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Scotland's reputation for fairness.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And that's so that's a plot that's there or plague
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: or yeah, plack plaque. Wow, good thing we're wrapping up here.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: It's no kidding roller coaster.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: So since Annie's death, her mother hasn't given up. She can't.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: She's campaigned relentlessly for official for an official inquest into
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: her daughter's death, including presenting a three thousand signature petition
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to the Scottish Parliament at the end of twenty thirteen.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: In regards to Scotland, she said, this is a beautiful
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: country with lovely and caring people. Please do not leave
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: them and our family with all these unanswered questions. All
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: we want is a fatal accident inquiry into Annie's mysterious death.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Please let us know why Annie had to die in
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the country she loved. Apparently too, there's a documentary in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the works to cover any story. I came across a
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: few articles from this past summer stating that a new
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: four part series on the case called Body on the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Beach is being made. I couldn't find the details on
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: when it was expected to be released, but apparently it
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: will present new evidence on the case. So if we
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: hear anything in regards to it, we will definitely letch
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, so that's that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, that's cool.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: So what do you think, So basically we have suicide?
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I mean we do. She was going through some She
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: did seem like she was going through something, right.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean when some people aren't always open
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: about their emotions and what they're going through. The people
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: can be very private able they.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Can, and they can and some people are very good
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: at hiding showing.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that could have simply been I mean, she
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: potentially was getting married, so it could have been that
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: she was just really trying to be quiet about this
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: not say anything when she got home, which is why
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: she seemed weird.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Like it could have been a surprise or something.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it could have been something positive, even who knows, right, Yeah,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: My full theory is I do think that her and
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Christina got mixed up, and I think whoever this was,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: this mysterious individual, this sexual predator as she labeled them,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: was behind it. I think there was at least two individuals,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: one that was corroborating with them, who was the potential fiance,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and then the second individual who was the potential sex predator.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I think they were corroborating thinking she was Christina trying
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: to get within her life and get to the right
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: point in time where they could dispose of her because
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: of potentially what she could do for their business or
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: whatever their business may be, or what they're involved with.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: So they wanted to get rid of her for any
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: potential trouble she may caused not realizing they had the
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: wrong person. They may have gotten rid of her and
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: realized it was the wrong person, and we're just trying
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: to cover their tracks on being like, oh shit, we
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: got the wrong person. Or they could have just gotten
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: rid of her and covered their tracks regardless and clean
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: their hands of it realized later after the fact. But
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: either way, I think two or more individuals were involved
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: confused her with the wrong person, and she was subject
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: to just a misfortunate understanding.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, because it seems a lot of even
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the investigations, and it all just seems a little fishy,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like that they're not digging in deep and just things
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: are are not I don't know, I'm like things are
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: being covered up almost not saying that the investigators are
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: doing that, but something is fishy, and in this whole thing, I'm.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Not sold that it's a government conspiracy kind of cover
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: up the police or hiding something. I'm not sold on
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that because people all over just don't do their job
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: on a day to day basis, no matter the fucking role.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: People get complacent, they become desensitized to their job, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: they almost just don't care anymore. So I'm not convinced
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: that it's someone's covering something up. I'm thinking that someone's like, Eh,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it's suicide. They're just convincing theirselves at suicide and they're
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: just washing their hands of it. Yeah, and now that
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: new evidence is coming out, they just have to stand
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: their ground on it and be like, no, we stand
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: by what we said. It's suicide. Let's be over this
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: and move on. But they just it's such a misunforce
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: a miss. It's such an unfortunate situation that this oversight
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: on whoever made that call, it keeps coming back to
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: haunt them, and they just have to keep holding their ground.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what's super unfortunate is that the family, I mean,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: this was in two thousand and five and they have
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: not gotten any answers and they're trying, like this just
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: must be exhausting to them, like exhausting and just so sad.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So I feel like this case was kind of all
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: over the place, and it's so much information, but it
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: was also one that I felt like should be out there.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: And I really really hope this documentary comes out and
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: that maybe it has does have new new findings, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: that maybe that this can be closed because that would
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: be amazing.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, it would be. And the difficult thing with like
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: mysterious or unknown cases that don't have an answer. We
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened, so there's no real storyline to follow.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's just pick all the information we can and put
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: it in best chronological order. Yeah, so sometimes it seems
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: all over the place because that's that's all we have.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean her final days they were it
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: was very mysterious, like what was going on? And then
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I think things she seemed like she was places where
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: she wasn't and yeah, because the investigation wasn't really super thorough.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: So I was just I don't know, this case is
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: going to actually haunt me a little bit because like I.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Can see that. Yeah, yeah, fair enough, Okay, well done
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