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Hubby’s double life exposed when girlfriend dies during 'bondage photo shoot' in desert · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Jamie Feeding, this tiny diminutive woman goes missing. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: take long before police discover a man with a double life.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine this guy allegedly living a double life
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Speaker 1: was to take you out for a ride. You go out,
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Speaker 1: you're driving through a beautiful desert area. You get out,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly you end up tied up to a post
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Speaker 1: or a tree. The last thing you see as the
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Speaker 1: man you love and thought loved you. Where is Jamie Feeding?
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the Chenney Love and Breaking
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Speaker 1: News Desk, I'm Jennifer's mock and before we go here
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Speaker 1: this morning, I want to put up a picture again
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Speaker 1: of a woman who has been missing for two months
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Speaker 1: in police hope that you have some information about her.
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Speaker 1: Her name is Jamie Feedin. She's thirty three years old.
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Speaker 1: She is from Bethel Park and the last time anybody
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Speaker 1: saw her was September fifteenth, so two months ago. She's
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Speaker 1: thirty three years old again, and she weighs seventy five
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Speaker 1: pounds and she is four one. Where is Jamie Feedin?
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Speaker 1: This tiny diminutive woman goes missing? You're just hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at wp XI Channel eleven. That was Jennifer Trenezec.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. It doesn't take
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Speaker 1: long before police discover a man with a double life.
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Speaker 1: Listen well, I got off the phone with Chapman's wife
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Speaker 1: a short time ago, and they are really three big takeaways. First,
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Speaker 1: Maureen Chapman says her husband called her this morning and
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Speaker 1: confessed to murder. She says she's just learning her husband
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Speaker 1: with living a double life, pretending to visit family and
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Speaker 1: lying about his job. And Lastly, Chapman says her husband
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Speaker 1: drove her truck to Vegas and the Nevada Desert, where
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Speaker 1: he confessed to murdering Feedin. Chapman has only been charged
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Speaker 1: with kidnapping at this point. He said he had murdered
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Speaker 1: a woman. A frantic six am phone call woke up
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Speaker 1: Maureen Chapman. Her husband was calling from the Bethel Park
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Speaker 1: Police Department. His words, I killed her because I had to.
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Speaker 1: This is Jamie Feeden, the woman, police say John Chapman
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Speaker 1: admitted to murdering. Police say he drove her to Nevada,
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Speaker 1: tied Feedin up to a post with zip ties, covered
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Speaker 1: her mouth with duct tape, and let her suffocate. Nevada
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Speaker 1: officials are now working to identify a body they found
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Speaker 1: that matches Feeden's description. Our friend said eleven News wp XR,
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Speaker 1: that was Amy Hudak. I think a big giveaway. A
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Speaker 1: tip to the wife who says she had no idea
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Speaker 1: what was going on. On his Facebook page, he refers
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Speaker 1: to her or his wife as quote sis under a
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Speaker 1: profile picture. What SIS are you kidding me? That would
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Speaker 1: be big, big giveaway, Jamie Feden the victim in this case,
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Speaker 1: as I said, a tiny, diminutive woman. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: this guy allegedly living a double life, wants to take
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Speaker 1: you out for a ride. You go out, you're driving
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Speaker 1: through a beautiful desert area. You get out, and suddenly
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Speaker 1: you end up tied up to a post or a tree,
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Speaker 1: and then tape is placed over your mouth and nose
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Speaker 1: and you die that way. The last thing you see
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Speaker 1: as the man you love and thought loved you. With
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Speaker 1: me and All Star panel, renowned California prosecutor Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com,
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Speaker 1: host of America talks on NEWSMAXTV. Former NYPD John Cardillo,
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com, the medical Examiner for the State of Florida,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. But right now, to crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave Matt, let's just start at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of this timeline and dissect this as you would
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Speaker 1: if you were preparing your case for trial. When did
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Speaker 1: Jamie feed In go missing? Maskie? The last time Jamie
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Speaker 1: was seen was September the fifteenth, and that was when
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Speaker 1: she was lured out of town by Chapman. Chapman and
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Speaker 1: feeding had a long relationship that goes back to high
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Speaker 1: school or community college. It was referred to as an
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Speaker 1: on again, off again relationship between the two, but it
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Speaker 1: was certainly one sided on the side of Jamie Feeden
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Speaker 1: because we know that Chapman has been married at least
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Speaker 1: two times, the first time for seven years and was
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Speaker 1: married in the last twelve months to a lady named
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Speaker 1: Maureen wa. Wait, sorry did interrupt you, Dave. But Bethany Marshall, WHOA.
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Speaker 1: I know you have to deal with a lot of
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Speaker 1: problems like how much do my boots cost on rodeo
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Speaker 1: drive with all of your clients, and my house isn't
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Speaker 1: as big as my next door neighbors in pool is
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Speaker 1: not in the right shape, blah blah blah. But Bethany,
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Speaker 1: in the real world, I got a real problem with
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Speaker 1: this guy. John Chapman, allegedly living a double life. Now
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter tells me
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Speaker 1: Feeden Jamie was in love with him, But when you
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Speaker 1: look at his bio on Facebook, he says, I'm a
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Speaker 1: thirty nine year old single guy from Pennsylvania. I've lived
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Speaker 1: here most of my life. I'm always trying to meet
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Speaker 1: new and interesting people. Translation, I want to get laid.
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Speaker 1: That's what that means on Facebook. Okay, that's a technical
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Speaker 1: legal term, Bethany. I'm not sure you're familiar with it.
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Speaker 1: But then it goes on now wait for it, wait
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Speaker 1: for it. Any relationship to his wife, Maureene is further
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Speaker 1: obscured when he comments under his wife's picture looking good
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Speaker 1: sis help me, Bethany. Well, actually, this is kind of
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Speaker 1: a classic pattern of an antisocial personality of the disorder.
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Speaker 1: They often lead a double life. They have multiple sexual partners,
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Speaker 1: a great deal of promiscuity. They relate to women as
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Speaker 1: sexual objects, always trying to conquer them and what they
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Speaker 1: do with the primary love object, the wife at home
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Speaker 1: is that they will desexualize the wife while being overly
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Speaker 1: sexualized with other women in society. I see this actually
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Speaker 1: in couples therapy with men like this, where they actually
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Speaker 1: kind of call the wife dudes, this a poker in
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Speaker 1: the ribs, treat her like she's a little sister. All
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Speaker 1: the while they're having a double life and affairs all
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Speaker 1: over the place. But the other part is that that
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Speaker 1: Chapman's wife could probably see. But why do they do that?
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Speaker 1: Why do people desexualize the marriage partner because they want
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Speaker 1: control over the marriage partner and they only want to
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Speaker 1: have sex with people who do not see them for
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Speaker 1: who they really are. You know, the people in your
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Speaker 1: primary circle know that you have feet of clay, right.
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Speaker 1: They may know that you bounce to check, or that
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Speaker 1: maybe you've got a traffic violation, or maybe you're not
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Speaker 1: so nice, or maybe your breath smells in the morning.
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Speaker 1: That's not sexy to them. They're going to desexualize those partners.
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Speaker 1: There's a very famous case in my field written up
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Speaker 1: by a man named John Mulloy who read mulloy, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: who talks about a case where a man goes out,
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Speaker 1: he makes his wife dress up as a little girl
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Speaker 1: like a doll, makes her lie down in the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: goes out, has sex with other women, comes home, and
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Speaker 1: defecates on her. Now, this is a classic case in
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Speaker 1: my field. We talk about it in classes because this
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Speaker 1: perpetrator was over sexualizing every woman in the world, and
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Speaker 1: then he was turning his wife into a little girl,
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Speaker 1: an object in which he just defecates on and she
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Speaker 1: has no value at all. So this is a classic,
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Speaker 1: classic pattern. Okay, can I just apologize right now to
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Speaker 1: the listeners for what doctor Bethany Marshall just said, because
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have that stuck in my head for
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many days. Okay, thank you, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall for ruining the rest of my day. But
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Speaker 1: you know what I asked for it. I did not
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Speaker 1: expect that answer. But I blame myself totally, which is
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Speaker 1: probably another neurosis of some sort. You know. Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. The problem is
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Speaker 1: he's got a double life, as Bethany accurately pointed out,
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Speaker 1: where the whole wife a whole life going on that
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Speaker 1: Jamie knew nothing about. But that does not a murder case.
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Speaker 1: Mat It's great, and you know, it's one of those
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Speaker 1: things that likely will play into a defense in a
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Speaker 1: case like this. We hear about love triangles all the time,
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Speaker 1: and meant much of the time that does involve a
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Speaker 1: double life. It's also interesting that we have some online
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Speaker 1: evidence here. The de sexualization, though, is fascinating, you know,
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Speaker 1: not just because of the reasons doctor Marshall mentioned. By
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Speaker 1: the way, the read Malloy case is also interesting. I
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Speaker 1: work with read On in threat assessment cases. But it
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Speaker 1: will play in circumstantially, Nancy, as you and I and
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Speaker 1: actually John Cardillo was well have dealt with in formulating
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Speaker 1: why this isn't just a case of someone leading a
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Speaker 1: double life, and why the circumstances indicate it is a murder. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's obviously some of the analysis that they're going to
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Speaker 1: prepare for trial and as we move forward, because you remember,
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Speaker 1: right now is just a kidnapping. And it's also an
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Speaker 1: interesting case regarding corpus. You know, somebody can confess to
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Speaker 1: a crime, but you also need to prove that it happened.
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Speaker 1: So all of what we're discussing here will also be
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Speaker 1: relevant proving that up as well. You know what, You're right,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. The law is that a case cannot be
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Speaker 1: made on a confession alone. It must be proven otherwise.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Jamie Faden and how did this thirty
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Speaker 1: nine year old so called single mail pull off a
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Speaker 1: double life that ended? In murder crime stories with Nancy Gray,
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Speaker 1: We've broken down the timeline of events in this case
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Speaker 1: for you to understand exactly what happened and when so.
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Speaker 1: Jamie Feeden was last seen September fifteen. On September twenty third,
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Speaker 1: both Feeden and John Chapman arrived in Las Vegas after
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Speaker 1: driving across country from Bethel Park. He told her that
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Speaker 1: they were going to look at homes, and then two
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Speaker 1: days later, Chapman told Feedin they were going to drive
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Speaker 1: to the desert for a photoshoot. According to court paperwork,
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Speaker 1: Chapman told police, while in the desert, he tied Feeden's
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Speaker 1: hands and feet to a signpole and covered her mouth
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Speaker 1: with duct tape, causing her to suffocate and die. He
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Speaker 1: then left her and drove back to Bethel Park. Then,
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Speaker 1: on October fifth, remains of a woman were found in
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Speaker 1: the Nevada Desert, and now, on October fourteenth, the missing
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Speaker 1: person's report was filed for Feeden. Just yesterday Chapman called
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Speaker 1: police and was asked about Feeden's disappearance. He apparently gave
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Speaker 1: detective's false information about the case, and today he was
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Speaker 1: charged in her kidnapping. A charge does not a jury
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Speaker 1: conviction make. As you just heard, a confession alone cannot
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Speaker 1: be the basis of a murder, indictment or conviction. It's
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Speaker 1: got to be proven and corroborated. Anybody can walk into
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Speaker 1: the police station to give a false confession. Do I
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Speaker 1: believe it happens often? No, but it does happen, and
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Speaker 1: it reaks havoc in the justice system. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You just heard from Channel eleven w p XI Lisa
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Speaker 1: Sylvester describing what we think as the timeline breakdown doctor
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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State of Florida.
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Speaker 1: To top it all off, Jamie feed and the murder
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Speaker 1: victim had something called Vader syndrome. I'm not quite sure
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Speaker 1: what that is. I'm just a JD. You're the MD.
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Speaker 1: I know that she was only about four feet tall,
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Speaker 1: and she had been seeing John Chapman since either high
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Speaker 1: school or community college. They had been together a long time.
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Speaker 1: On top of that, he was a newlywed. He had
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Speaker 1: been married to his wife, Maureene less than a year.
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Speaker 1: So explain to me, doctor Gallagher, what is a Vader syndrome. Well,
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Speaker 1: Vader syndrome is a collection of developmental abnormalities that occur
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Speaker 1: in one person after they're born. A Vader v for Victoria.
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Speaker 1: The first letter represents vertebral anomalies. For instance, they may
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Speaker 1: have severe scoliosis of the spine, which is bending, twisting
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Speaker 1: of the spine, that maybe extra bones in the spine,
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Speaker 1: it's not a normal spine. Also, a the A part
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Speaker 1: of Vader stands for anus, and oftentimes the anus is
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Speaker 1: not open and that has to be opened surgically. And
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Speaker 1: then there are other abnormalities of the limbs and of
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Speaker 1: the internal organs that that prevent them from development for
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Speaker 1: developing normally. That can lead to a very short stature
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Speaker 1: and a very difficult physical life. You know, aparently all
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Speaker 1: the signs were there. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Hollywood psychoanalyst at
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany marshall dot com. Did you notice that her
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Speaker 1: Jamie's friends did not like John Chapman. They did not
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Speaker 1: want her seeing him. That's a big, big red flag.
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Speaker 1: I didn't notice that. And one of the things that
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Speaker 1: keeps grabbing my attention about this is the fact that
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Speaker 1: she had a disability and he didn't, and did he
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Speaker 1: use that to control her? Because people with disabilities are
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Speaker 1: often abused in very specific ways. Maybe they're shamed, maybe
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Speaker 1: their disability checks are taken. Sometimes they're they're thrust into
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Speaker 1: a public situation where they're demeaned by their partner. They're
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Speaker 1: told that they don't they're not allowed to have restroom breaks,
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Speaker 1: or that their voice on silly. So he chose a
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Speaker 1: partner who he had in his life for a long
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Speaker 1: long time, who I think he could probably be control
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Speaker 1: and manipulate because of her disability, and so that held
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Speaker 1: meaning for him, and we see how it all ended.
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Speaker 1: He tied her to a post, he duct taped her mouth,
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Speaker 1: he watched her suffer. I cannot believe that this was
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Speaker 1: the first time he treated her this way. It's just
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Speaker 1: that it's spilled over into homicide at this point. But
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Speaker 1: I'm sure violence, mistreatment and abuse towards her had been
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Speaker 1: building for many, many years. Well, I know of one incident,
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious as to whether this will come into trial.
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo with me, former NYPD host of America, talks
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Speaker 1: on Newsmax TV. John, a friend of Jamie's, claims that
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Speaker 1: Chapman mistreated her, including using Jamie for money, and she
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Speaker 1: describes an incident when Faden Jamie allegedly arrived at a
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Speaker 1: restaurant with Chapman and Jamie had two black eyes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean that that's indicative of a long term period
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Speaker 1: of abuse. She was probably hiding it. I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: as an investigator, we'd be looking into why he would
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Speaker 1: choose to cheat on his wife with somebody with such
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Speaker 1: physical infirmities. Was there some kind of fetish? What was
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Speaker 1: he had to something? You know, weird, bizarre? Quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: if it were me, I'd be looking for other victims
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Speaker 1: at this point, other disappearances of people with similar conditions
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Speaker 1: that lived in his area. Because the fact pattern, as
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Speaker 1: we know it indicates a very troubled guy, a very
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Speaker 1: dangerous guy. And so I think the instincts of the
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Speaker 1: friends were spot on. Look, they got a bad vibe
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Speaker 1: off the guy. That's typically indicative, even though it's intangible,
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Speaker 1: and now you combine that with physical evidence signs of
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Speaker 1: abuse black eyes, I think law enforcement's going to be
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Speaker 1: looking very hard at his electronic devices, his history as
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Speaker 1: bank accounts. And again, if it were me, I'd be
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Speaker 1: looking at other victims that were either of similar stature,
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Speaker 1: similar infirmity, that may have gone missing, victims of abuse
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Speaker 1: that didn't report it in his area, because it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: surprise me if we find other victims. Yeah, because if
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Speaker 1: he's living a double life, how do I know it's
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Speaker 1: a lot of triple life or even worse qu Yeah right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean thought of that, John Cardillo, you know, another
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Speaker 1: issue straight out to Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: how was Jamie's body sound? It was actually found out
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Speaker 1: in the desert by a man who was out on
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Speaker 1: a hike with his two young sons. They had pulled
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Speaker 1: off they were looking at old train engines and pulled
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Speaker 1: off onto an old dirt road out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of nowhere, and one of his older sons actually saw
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Speaker 1: something in the distance that intrigued him and it ended
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Speaker 1: up being what appears to be because she hasn't been
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Speaker 1: positively identified yet, but appeared to be the body of Jamie.
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Speaker 1: What I know is like Dave Matt just told us
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Speaker 1: a man was out hiking with his boys, and he
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Speaker 1: says that the boys saw something in the distance, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't know what it was, so he the dad
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Speaker 1: Linso tells the boys to get back in the truck,
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Speaker 1: and he went to investigate. He finds a body and
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Speaker 1: immediately caused the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. He says, at
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Speaker 1: first he thought it was a child's body because the
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Speaker 1: body was so tiny. And this is very probative or
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Speaker 1: proves something to me. You know, sometimes I see a
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Speaker 1: fact and I don't know exactly what it's telling me
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Speaker 1: that I know that it's probative and will be probative
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Speaker 1: at trial. There were no clothes on the body and
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Speaker 1: no clothes to be found anywhere nearby, so her attack
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Speaker 1: or her killer either raped her or had sex with
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Speaker 1: her and left her that way, naked and tied to
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Speaker 1: a post in the desert with duct tape over her
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Speaker 1: mouth and nose, or he took her clothing away so
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Speaker 1: her body would not be identified. Important trial fact under
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Speaker 1: the law, The state can bring in evidence of what
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Speaker 1: occurred before, during, and after the incident to show frame
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Speaker 1: of mind, course of conduct m motors operandi. Neither of
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Speaker 1: those two scenarios reflect well on John Chapman at all.
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Speaker 1: The body, Jamie Feeden, was already heavily decomposed and just
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Speaker 1: dumped off like a piece of trash, according to Linso
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Speaker 1: it's not a good sight. He says, the road was
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Speaker 1: in a desolate area and the body could possibly still
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Speaker 1: be there if his boys didn't spot it. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace A. Chapman hasn't been charged with homicide,
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Speaker 1: any kind of homicide charges that if occurred in Nevada,
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Speaker 1: and if there is a a body fine out there
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Speaker 1: would fall within their realm and they'd have to assume prosecution,
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Speaker 1: according to police, While she was missing, the victim's family
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Speaker 1: says someone reached out to them from her Facebook messenger
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Speaker 1: account pretending to be the victim. The police A Chapman
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Speaker 1: was on the other end. I feel so sorry for them,
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Speaker 1: and I just hope they do get that person, and
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Speaker 1: I hope he gets winning deserves for that family, because
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Speaker 1: that is so wrong. According to detectives in Las Vegas,
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Speaker 1: they did locate a body that fits many of the
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Speaker 1: unique characteristics of Jamie, but that body has not been
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Speaker 1: officially identified. Will it be able to be proven at
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Speaker 1: trial that this is Jamie Faeden and that John Chapman
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Speaker 1: murdered her? Big problem? Of course, we all know that
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Speaker 1: a murder case can be proven without a body, but
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Speaker 1: it does present a host of difficulties. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You were just here our friends at Channel eleven wp X.
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Speaker 1: All right, that was Gabrielle de Luca reporting. Oh man.
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Speaker 1: Every time we think we're within reach of enough evidence
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Speaker 1: to charge with murder, another wrinkle appears in the case.
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Speaker 1: How can she be positively identified? To doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Florida, with her body
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Speaker 1: in such an advanced state of decomposure, how can she
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Speaker 1: be identified? Well, we do have her skeletal remains, and
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Speaker 1: because of her medical condition, it's more than likely that
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Speaker 1: she has an X rays that we're taken out a
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Speaker 1: doctor's office that we can use to compare against the
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Speaker 1: remains to see what her developmental abnormalities are. You know,
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Speaker 1: she does have a Vader syndrome. Which has very distinct
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Speaker 1: bone patterns, and I'm sure that we could positively identify
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Speaker 1: her using X rays from her doctor's office and compare
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Speaker 1: those against the bony remains. Well, what about her dental records,
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Speaker 1: We can also use that as a supplemental form of
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Speaker 1: identification as well. Between the two and the circumstances that
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Speaker 1: surround her being there, positive identification is certainly within the
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Speaker 1: realm of possibility. And I'm going to circle back to
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo about her missing clothing. But doctor Tim Gallagher
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Speaker 1: explain how specific dental records can be unique to one
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Speaker 1: individual like a fingerprint. Oh, absolutely it can, especially when
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Speaker 1: there are dental restorations, meaning some of the cavities have
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Speaker 1: been filled with an amalgam of the orthodonic work may
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Speaker 1: still be in place. We can use distinct and individualized
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Speaker 1: characters of the person's dental X rays to compare against
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Speaker 1: the dental work that they receive. Additionally, gaps in the
21:53
Speaker 1: teeth or root patterns that are or the tooth that
21:58
Speaker 1: are below the gum line are very distinctive individual to individual,
22:02
Speaker 1: and we could use those dental records to compare and
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Speaker 1: find the identification of the person. What does it say
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Speaker 1: to you. John Cardillo, host America talks on News next
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Speaker 1: to the former NYPD that all of her clothing was missing. Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the easiest ways to identify someone, right, I mean,
22:20
Speaker 1: if you take the clothing, you can compare it to
22:22
Speaker 1: maybe a photo that a victim posted to social media
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Speaker 1: the day before they went missing, a photo a friend
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Speaker 1: took of them. The family members would maybe the mom
22:31
Speaker 1: or the dad says, oh, yep, that was her favorite church.
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Speaker 1: You loved that I bought it for her last Christmas.
22:35
Speaker 1: That's definitely hers. And in her case, because of her condition,
22:39
Speaker 1: the Vader syndrome and her stature, her clothing would have
22:42
Speaker 1: been very unique, potentially child's clothing. So if you had
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Speaker 1: those photos of the clothing the day before or day
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Speaker 1: that she disappeared on social media on a cell phone,
22:50
Speaker 1: or the family friends saying yep, that's definitely hers I
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Speaker 1: had to buy for her in a child section, you've
22:56
Speaker 1: got a pretty key piece of evidence for identification. So
22:59
Speaker 1: removing them certainly indicates that someone didn't want her to
23:02
Speaker 1: be identified if she was found. Why do you make
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Speaker 1: of it? Windy Patcheck, California and prosecutor, an author of
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Speaker 1: Red Flag I'm just sort of adding to what's already
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Speaker 1: been said. You can get rid of the clothes, but
23:12
Speaker 1: you cannot always get rid of what the remains tell
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Speaker 1: you about whose body this is, and particularly when you
23:19
Speaker 1: have these unique features as we've been discussing. Of course,
23:22
Speaker 1: nobody wants to jump to conclusions or reach them prematurely,
23:25
Speaker 1: but Nancy's certainly in fact to one of the things
23:27
Speaker 1: you said earlier. When it comes to proving a murder,
23:30
Speaker 1: we always like to say, we don't want to be
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Speaker 1: callosus about it, but no body no problem in terms
23:35
Speaker 1: of reaching a verdict, but it has to proceed very
23:38
Speaker 1: differently the circumstances surrounding why we know, even if we
23:43
Speaker 1: hadn't found a body in this case. That's not to
23:45
Speaker 1: say a murder can't be proven here. It is a
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Speaker 1: lot more, is a lot easier, And not only do
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Speaker 1: we have the kind of unique features we can match
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Speaker 1: up the fact that this man shows this particular woman.
23:57
Speaker 1: John talks about looking for similar victims. One of the
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Speaker 1: things we may find a common it's vulnerability. The vulnerability
24:03
Speaker 1: the exploitation that took place here. You know, this is
24:07
Speaker 1: one we also don't need to prove motives, but motives
24:09
Speaker 1: going to matter in a case like this, and everything
24:12
Speaker 1: we've been talking about are just more of the things
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Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are going to get in line in
24:17
Speaker 1: getting this case ready to go to a jury and
24:18
Speaker 1: potentially Nancy adding additional charges. Well, here's another piece of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Apparently even after she goes missing, she is still continuing
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Speaker 1: to Facebook. Listen, authorities, we're back at the alleged victims
24:32
Speaker 1: Bethel Park home searching for more evidence. Police say that
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Speaker 1: victims uncle was getting Facebook messages purporting to be her,
24:40
Speaker 1: but which we're giving incorrect answers to questions. But we
24:44
Speaker 1: don't believe it was in fact her. We believe it
24:47
Speaker 1: was mister Chapman posing as her. The chief says the
24:51
Speaker 1: investigation is continuing here and in Nevada what he has
24:55
Speaker 1: said that is in fact true, and we're in aft
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Speaker 1: see if we can find Jamie either a living or deceased,
25:06
Speaker 1: and we're hoping that there's still a ray of hope
25:09
Speaker 1: that she is alive and we can bring her back
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Speaker 1: home safely. You were hearing our friends at WTAE News
25:15
Speaker 1: for that was reporter Bob and Mayo. You're also hearing
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Speaker 1: police chief Timothy O'Connor. What more do you need for
25:23
Speaker 1: Pete's sake? Who would go on her Facebook and pretend
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Speaker 1: to be her? And I've got the Facebook postings? This
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Speaker 1: is Jamie feed and the missing woman. Question to Jamie,
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Speaker 1: did I miss something? Did you and John break up?
25:37
Speaker 1: Someone wrote her? She writes back, Yeah, but we're still friends.
25:40
Speaker 1: What happened? She writes, Apparently I was too clingy and
25:44
Speaker 1: he couldn't take it. Thinking back, maybe I was and
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Speaker 1: I did not try to be But it's hard when
25:49
Speaker 1: I care so much. Question I feel you, girl, She responds.
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Speaker 1: It was my idea to be friends because I didn't
25:57
Speaker 1: want us to hate each other. My family was also
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Speaker 1: an issue as well. Another question, when's John's birthday? That's
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Speaker 1: an odd question. Have you tried asking him? Maybe, try
26:09
Speaker 1: getting to know him? Answer? No, l ol. I just
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Speaker 1: saw a John Chapman in the paper where a birthday.
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Speaker 1: Didn't know if it was himlol. She allegedly writes back, Honestly,
26:22
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about John's birthday. We dated, but I
26:25
Speaker 1: didn't feel he was quote the one, and there was
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Speaker 1: a lot I didn't know about him. He has a history.
26:31
Speaker 1: I know that, but I never felt unsafe around him,
26:34
Speaker 1: and he was always upfront about his past. Really really
26:39
Speaker 1: did he write that crime stories with Nancy Grace was
27:00
Speaker 1: nearly speechless. His stepmom told me he's married to another
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Speaker 1: woman and has been for about a year. The family
27:06
Speaker 1: says they thought John Chapman was going to work for
27:09
Speaker 1: a trip to Las Vegas, but that wasn't the case,
27:12
Speaker 1: according to police. Chapman's family told me he met Jamie
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Speaker 1: Feedan at either a high school or a college for
27:17
Speaker 1: students with special educational needs, and that he often has
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Speaker 1: a lot of close friends. Police say Chapman would often
27:23
Speaker 1: stay at Feeden's Bethel Park town home. Chapman's family also
27:26
Speaker 1: tells me he was living with his wife and his
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Speaker 1: mom in Oakmont through the summer, and everything seemed to
27:31
Speaker 1: be fine until they got a phone call from police
27:34
Speaker 1: a few hours ago. What went through my mind is
27:37
Speaker 1: just when a horribly sad tragedy. You know, we had
27:43
Speaker 1: heard that he had gone to Las Vegas. He was
27:45
Speaker 1: going there for he said, for a work convention. So
27:47
Speaker 1: I think at this point we're all just in shock.
27:50
Speaker 1: It's just kind of you know, it's it's just what
27:53
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't seem like it's real a work convention, man,
27:58
Speaker 1: that is so tired a work convention. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at Channel eleven WPXI. That was
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Speaker 1: Amy hoodat Reporting Wow, and you also heard the voice
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Speaker 1: of Pamela Chapman. This guy had really snowed everybody. But
28:14
Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst in Hollywood. Bethany,
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Speaker 1: she knew this guy. Jamie knew John Chapman since they
28:24
Speaker 1: were in high school. But these Facebook postings, these text responses, Honestly,
28:31
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about his birthday. We dated, but I
28:34
Speaker 1: didn't really know that much about him. What Nancy, the
28:38
Speaker 1: fact that he's on her Facebook. Not only is he
28:40
Speaker 1: trying to throw people off the trail, but this tells
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Speaker 1: me that he has infiltrated every part of this victim's life.
28:47
Speaker 1: He met her at a school for people with disabilities.
28:49
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a disability, so that tells me he
28:52
Speaker 1: specifically chose her because of her disability. People with disabilities
28:56
Speaker 1: tend to be more isolated. They're vulnerable, they have few
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Speaker 1: were friends, they have less access to the justice system.
29:03
Speaker 1: They are more willing to be pliable to give their
29:06
Speaker 1: money away to do anything to keep maintain the love
29:09
Speaker 1: of the love object, so he targeted her. He had
29:12
Speaker 1: her under his firm control. One of the reasons I
29:16
Speaker 1: believe she didn't have clothing on. According to one report,
29:19
Speaker 1: he told her that they were going to like a
29:22
Speaker 1: bondage and discipline photoshoot in the desert, So he may
29:26
Speaker 1: have taken her clothes off before he tied her to
29:29
Speaker 1: that poll and the poor little thing may have thought
29:32
Speaker 1: that she was sexy and he wanted her and he
29:35
Speaker 1: was taking pictures of her. But not only that, then
29:38
Speaker 1: he poses as her on her Facebook account, which tells
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Speaker 1: me that he also believed that she belonged to him,
29:45
Speaker 1: that she was his possession, He could do whatever he
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Speaker 1: liked with her body, her money, her home, he stayed
29:51
Speaker 1: there with her social media, that it all belonged to him,
29:57
Speaker 1: including her life. Did John Cardillo NYPD? How do you
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Speaker 1: trace from where these messages came? Oh, there are several
30:06
Speaker 1: ways you can do it. You can obviously you can
30:09
Speaker 1: locate IP address. You can ping his cell phone. You
30:11
Speaker 1: can look and see if the IP was coordinating with
30:16
Speaker 1: where his vehicle was. If you can get a subpoena
30:19
Speaker 1: for the GPS on his car. I mean law enforcement today,
30:22
Speaker 1: it's it's it's much easier to track your electronic footprint
30:26
Speaker 1: in many respects then if you completely went offline, went
30:28
Speaker 1: totally analog, and we're just walking around without any device.
30:31
Speaker 1: So really you're you're you're a walking homing beacon as
30:35
Speaker 1: long as you've got a cell phone on you, and
30:37
Speaker 1: if you've got any of the laptops that have wireless,
30:39
Speaker 1: you know, it's even freak Here out to Crime online
30:41
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack, a friend of Jamie's
30:46
Speaker 1: got very suspicious, and she's the one posing these questions
30:51
Speaker 1: and he's giving some of the wrong answers. She got
30:53
Speaker 1: very apprehensive about Chapman because he friended her the friend
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Speaker 1: on Facebook and began commenting on her photos like a
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Speaker 1: beautiful rose for a very beautiful woman of my husband
31:11
Speaker 1: David Lynch sent a picture of a rose or commented
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Speaker 1: on a rose, A beautiful rose for a beautiful woman.
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't to me, you know all h E
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Speaker 1: double L would break loose. Dave Mack tell me about
31:25
Speaker 1: these postings. How dare he friend her friend after he's
31:29
Speaker 1: killed her. He's basically coming onto her online. I think
31:32
Speaker 1: he was the ultimate con man, trying to cover his
31:35
Speaker 1: tracks by trying to get this woman who did not
31:38
Speaker 1: like him, but trying to get her to warm up
31:40
Speaker 1: to him to continue his con But there's something else
31:42
Speaker 1: very interesting about his pattern over the years. In his
31:45
Speaker 1: first marriage, where he was married for seven years, he
31:49
Speaker 1: and that wife stayed with Jamie Feeden at some point
31:52
Speaker 1: during the marriage, and Chapman told his wife to pretend
31:57
Speaker 1: that she was his sister so they could stay there.
32:01
Speaker 1: And that wife, Cammy, said that she the Chapman bled
32:04
Speaker 1: Jamie drive every penny she had. Then after they divorced,
32:09
Speaker 1: she found a number of zip block baggies that Chapman
32:13
Speaker 1: had that had girls panties in these baggies with a
32:18
Speaker 1: name written on the baggie. And the question is how
32:21
Speaker 1: many women did he possibly kill? Okay, that's shedding a
32:26
Speaker 1: whole new light on this, and it was mentioned earlier
32:29
Speaker 1: by John Cardillo, who really hit the nail on the head.
32:32
Speaker 1: Are there other victims? I want you to take a
32:35
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Channel eleven w pax Side.
32:37
Speaker 1: This is Gabrielle de Luca. According to the criminal complaint,
32:41
Speaker 1: the suspect bound the victim's hands and feet with plastic
32:44
Speaker 1: zip ties and affixed her to a signpost. He then
32:47
Speaker 1: applied duct tape to her mouth and then to her
32:49
Speaker 1: nose until such a time that she was unable to breathe.
32:52
Speaker 1: Police say she suffocated, and Chapman then untied her, removed
32:55
Speaker 1: the tape in her clothing, and left her there. But
32:58
Speaker 1: Chapman hasn't been charged with homicide. According to detectives in
33:01
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, they did locate a body that fits many
33:03
Speaker 1: of the unique characteristics of Jamie. Finding a body, you're
33:07
Speaker 1: going to have to do your due diligence and make
33:10
Speaker 1: sure that's the exact person. So until we receive actual
33:14
Speaker 1: confirmation that they have found her, I mean, it's always
33:18
Speaker 1: a possibility that she's still alive, someone out there and
33:21
Speaker 1: we'd like to bring her home. The chief did tell
33:25
Speaker 1: us that if Chapman is eventually charged with homicide, those
33:28
Speaker 1: charges will come from Las Vegas and he'll be extradated
33:31
Speaker 1: back to Nevada. Know, a murderer case can be prosecuted
33:36
Speaker 1: where the body is found or where the murder took place.
33:40
Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, this woman, Jamie Feedon, has been described as sweet, gentle, loving,
33:47
Speaker 1: soul taken advantage of by a predator, And over all
33:51
Speaker 1: the years I've prosecuted and covered crimes, it just hurts
33:56
Speaker 1: me that the most tender and the most vulnerable people
34:00
Speaker 1: are the ones that become victims. Nancy. It's just heartbreaking.
34:03
Speaker 1: And in part of the reason that these types of
34:06
Speaker 1: things happen, as you and I and John and doctor
34:08
Speaker 1: Marshall have no doubt always encountered, is that people that
34:12
Speaker 1: are less than the absolute physical ideal, less than the
34:16
Speaker 1: kind of intelligence most people would want, are uniquely susceptible
34:20
Speaker 1: to targeted attention. They're not used to receiving flattery or
34:24
Speaker 1: sexual attention of any kind, and they are also uniquely
34:27
Speaker 1: vulnerable for exactly that reason. That's just what John Cardilla
34:31
Speaker 1: said earlier, that maybe this is somebody who does target
34:34
Speaker 1: this pool of individuals, and Dave mac really kind of
34:38
Speaker 1: shed the light on what we've learned so far that
34:41
Speaker 1: brings it full circle, Nancy, to make it seem like
34:44
Speaker 1: this fits a profile of that kind of a man.
34:47
Speaker 1: And I would even add that what you pointed out
34:49
Speaker 1: about friending the friends of the victim also not only
34:52
Speaker 1: fits that profile, but also serves to further the narrative
34:55
Speaker 1: of this victim, somehow is still alive, something that is
34:59
Speaker 1: going to fault with all of the unknown answers to
35:02
Speaker 1: what probably are very simple questions from friends and families. Well,
35:05
Speaker 1: I've heard enough and this is my verdict. John Chapman,
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Speaker 1: Rot in Hell, Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,