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Ep. 768: Sasquatch Calls, Exotic Pets, and English Muffins | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia, the
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  Speaker 1: Metater podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: That's noon o'clock for our friends in Madison, Wisconsin, on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: September twenty fifth, and we're live for Meet Eater. Hqan Boseman.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Randall and Max.
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  Speaker 2: On today's show, we'll interview taxidermy historian Brant McDuff. Then
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  Speaker 2: we have a hot tip off, followed by a review
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  Speaker 2: of the twenty ten documentary Elephant in the living Room,
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  Speaker 2: and finally we'll interview the organizers of the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: five Sasquatch Calling contest. First off, we have some plugs
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  Speaker 2: to get to take it away.
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  Speaker 3: Well. First of all, I want to wish a very
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  Speaker 3: happy vacation to our friend Mogor.
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  Speaker 2: Happy vacation.
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  Speaker 3: Happy vacation, Mogor. Hope it's a good one.
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  Speaker 4: You deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, we're only in pre sale.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I know Birmingham and Nashville, there's there's quite
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  Speaker 3: because there's still some quite a few seats left there.
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  Speaker 3: But again, tickets are not officially on sale, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not worried about it.
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  Speaker 2: Randall's going to be there. He's going to entertain you
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  Speaker 2: all night long at the meat Eater Live Tour Holiday cheer.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be spreading it thick in the South.
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  Speaker 2: Also, our tailgate tour rolls on and this Saturday, the
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventh, we will be at Penn State for their
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  Speaker 2: game against Oregon. Stop by and say hi if you're
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  Speaker 2: in the area, eat some food, hang out with a
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  Speaker 2: meat Eater crew. We will be playing games, giving away prizes,
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  Speaker 2: and showing off how Meat Eater tailgates. This week, it
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  Speaker 2: is Seth and Brody who will be there. And I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if those boys are in the loop for just
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  Speaker 2: how big of a deal this game is. It's like
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  Speaker 2: the biggest game.
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  Speaker 3: We're probably not so far.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or do you think they know to wear white?
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  Speaker 4: I hope so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they do.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Seth, Seth's sets it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, did Brody go there as well?
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  Speaker 4: Brody was there last year?
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  Speaker 3: No, but I mean attends he can be an honorary
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  Speaker 3: yeah to it if they're both they're both Pennsylvania boys. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they know the program.
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  Speaker 2: This is their warning. We're white cheer really loud.
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  Speaker 3: We are.
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  Speaker 4: No one.
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  Speaker 3: I owe.
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  Speaker 2: It all right. Last plug, One, Last plug, our annual
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  Speaker 2: week of celebrating America's most pursued game animal, the white
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  Speaker 2: tail deer, is just a few days away. A white
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  Speaker 2: Tail Week kicks off Monday and runs from September twenty
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  Speaker 2: ninth to October fifth. A whole bunch of white tail
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  Speaker 2: gear from First Light, FAHF, Phelps, and Meat Eater will
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  Speaker 2: go on sale next week. Be on the lookout for
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  Speaker 2: that starting next Monday, September twenty ninth. We'll have some
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  Speaker 2: great white tail specific content that rolls out next week
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  Speaker 2: as well. All Right, we have a war going on
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  Speaker 2: in the office. This is the English muffin War. It's
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  Speaker 2: been very contentious. This this started in a meeting a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks ago. We're at the end of the meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Max and I had declared that I had recently found
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  Speaker 2: the greatest English muffins in the world. Uh. And then
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  Speaker 2: Max he says, well, are they the furrow and Fly
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  Speaker 2: English muffins? And I said no, they're the stone and
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  Speaker 2: skillet English muffins.
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  Speaker 3: And I said what both alliterative.
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  Speaker 2: And Max said. Max said, well, they're not as good
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  Speaker 2: as my English muffins, and I said yes they are,
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  Speaker 2: and I know they're not. And then I said yes
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  Speaker 2: they are, and it got really nasty. Max called me
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  Speaker 2: some names like and we just had to like. We
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  Speaker 2: we declared we would settle this as gentlemen. And so
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  Speaker 2: we we decided that I would go by Max's English
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  Speaker 2: muffins and try them, and Max would go buy my
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  Speaker 2: English muffins and try them. Max, what did you think
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  Speaker 2: of my English muffins?
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  Speaker 4: Spencer?
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  Speaker 5: I gave your English muffins a fair chance. I tried
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  Speaker 5: them one day and I was like, Oh, these are
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  Speaker 5: just so doe and just then I didn't like them,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna give
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  Speaker 5: these another shot. Tried them the next morning, same taste,
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  Speaker 5: same flavor and everything.
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  Speaker 4: And what did I say? A six out of ten?
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  Speaker 2: You you went as far as saying that your wife
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  Speaker 2: did not like them and your in laws did not
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  Speaker 2: like I should have so Max, Max did not like
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  Speaker 2: my English muffins. I went and tried Max's English muffins.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't care for his. So we now have furthered
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  Speaker 2: the divide and how how we think of who makes
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  Speaker 2: the best English muffins. So what we decided to do
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  Speaker 2: was I brought in both kinds this morning for Randall
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  Speaker 2: and Phil to try them themselves. And so we are
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  Speaker 2: going to allow them to declare which one is, indeed
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  Speaker 2: the best English muffin? My English muffin the stone In
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  Speaker 2: Skillet or Max's English muffin the Furrow and fly vandal.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, curse, give us, give us your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Are we doing this now or right now? Right? Just
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  Speaker 3: a teaser. First of all, I'd just like to say
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  Speaker 3: that I think there's no food argument that I have
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  Speaker 3: less invested in than what is the best English muffin.
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  Speaker 3: It's a question I've never considered.
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  Speaker 2: Until you have a really good English muffin, and then
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  Speaker 2: you're like, what have I been missing?
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  Speaker 3: When I ate these English muffins? I thought to myself,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I don't know what an English muffin is because
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm used to McDonald's English tom Yeah, well Thomas
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  Speaker 3: English muffins with the nooks and crannies, and then an
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  Speaker 3: egg McMuffin, which delicious. Both of these were formidable creations.
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  Speaker 3: When they came out of the bag, I was surprised
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  Speaker 3: by the size. To me, they looked more like biscuits.
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  Speaker 3: I don't they have. They both have very different qualities.
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  Speaker 3: Spencer's your English muffin is I would compare it more
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  Speaker 3: to like a bagel round. It's dowe, it's chewy, dense.
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  Speaker 3: It's dense. You don't have to tear it. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like the other Max's Max's English muffin. They're both exceptional.
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  Speaker 3: Max's English Muffin is closest to my understanding of what
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  Speaker 3: an English muffin is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't make any, We just buy them.
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  Speaker 3: It has the sort of cratered the cratered surface with
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if nooks and crannies is a trademark.
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  Speaker 3: Turret's good, but it has those you do have to
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  Speaker 3: sort of tear.
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  Speaker 2: Tender.
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  Speaker 3: No, well, I think your hair. I think yours is tender.
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  Speaker 3: It's got like it's got like a crust to.
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  Speaker 4: It because it's doe.
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  Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna go wishy washy. I'm gonna say Max's.
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  Speaker 3: If I was gonna eat one with butter, probably Max's.
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  Speaker 3: If I was going to eat one with like as
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  Speaker 3: a sandwich or with jelly, probably yours.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think you've sailed anything.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, Well, again, as I said, this is the question
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  Speaker 3: that I have nothing invested in. In fact, the whole
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  Speaker 3: time this has been going on, I've actually been shocked
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  Speaker 3: that this is a thing. The world is going to
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  Speaker 3: judge us. Seriously. Have you heard about the English muffin debate.
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  Speaker 6: At the Geez?
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  Speaker 2: They'll give us a hot take here which one is
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  Speaker 2: a good thing?
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  Speaker 7: I'm here so someone can take a gd stance in
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  Speaker 7: this room. Listen both muffins. I would be satisfied if
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  Speaker 7: I made one of these at home, I'd be happy
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  Speaker 7: with either. That being said, Spencer's.
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  Speaker 3: Takes the cake.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, honestly, on every single level, it's what I want,
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  Speaker 7: Like like the the boys have already insinuated. It's a
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  Speaker 7: little bit doughier. It was thicker, but the way Spencer
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  Speaker 7: cooked it had a nice crust that you bite through,
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  Speaker 7: and then you got to that when we bread that
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  Speaker 7: wasn't undercooked, the chee the shoe was very satisfying. And
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  Speaker 7: on top of that, Spencer's butter was better as well.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how much better.
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  Speaker 3: Screwed up in shaking the butter off of Spencer's because
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  Speaker 3: there was there was butter pooling.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have the crators in it to absorb.
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  Speaker 3: Oh the screen went black.
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  Speaker 7: Anyway, Back to what I was saying is it was
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  Speaker 7: incredibly important. Spencers muffin was better and this may. I
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  Speaker 7: mean the fact that you guys were using the same
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  Speaker 7: butter and I had no idea could probably maybe completely
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  Speaker 7: disqualifies for me from being a food judge a capacity.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that just.
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  Speaker 7: Speaks to the quality of Spencer's muffin. Yes, that's all
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  Speaker 7: I'll say.
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  Speaker 4: I just will not be buying them all.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry. I liked Spencer's muffin a lot, but as I
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  Speaker 3: ate it, I thought to myself, this isn't what I
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  Speaker 3: think of when I think of an English muffin. It
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  Speaker 3: was like a treat.
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  Speaker 5: So you know that hasn't been settled yet. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: sounds like Randall's voting for mine and Phil's voting for you.
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  Speaker 2: I will just take a time, Max, I'd be satisfied
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  Speaker 2: with that. I did enjoy your English muffin. I felt
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  Speaker 2: a little hurt though, that you said the one I
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  Speaker 2: liked it was a six out of ten and your
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  Speaker 2: in laws didn't. As we all know, in laws have
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  Speaker 2: the worst taste imaginable and they didn't even like it. Tough.
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  Speaker 3: What does the chat think? I think we're ready to
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  Speaker 3: put this one to bet.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the English muffin war wages on, all right, joining
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  Speaker 2: us on the line. First is taxidermy historian and author
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  Speaker 2: Brant McDuff Brandt. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, thank you for having me. Absolutely, I've never had
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  Speaker 8: my work have to compete with debates about bread, but
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  Speaker 8: I'm honored for it to be the first.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Brant, what is a taxidermy historian? And how does
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  Speaker 2: one become a taxidermy historian?
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  Speaker 9: You know, it's a thing if you make it a thing.
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  Speaker 8: I do work for museums, and I had always loved animals.
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  Speaker 8: I'd always loved taxidermy because I felt like taxidermy were
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  Speaker 8: the only animals that I could bring that many of
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  Speaker 8: into my house. It's really difficult to have live elk
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  Speaker 8: and rams and bears and bison in your Brooklyn apartment,
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  Speaker 8: but I can do that with taxidermy. So I've always
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  Speaker 8: just been a fan of the animals and taxidermy and
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  Speaker 8: the history that surrounds it. So there, the more obsessed
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  Speaker 8: I became with tax deermy and its history, the more
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  Speaker 8: I became someone that people went to when they needed
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  Speaker 8: to know about taxidermy history.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that is us today. Now you give lectures on
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  Speaker 2: the history of taxidermy, and you say that the story
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  Speaker 2: of taxidermy is told through heroes, villains, and elephant testicles.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 8: Mostly it's just a catchy tagline that gets people interested,
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  Speaker 8: so you can see that it works. But mostly I
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  Speaker 8: talk a lot about different characters who were in taxidermy,
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  Speaker 8: important historical characters like Martha and Maxwell, who really sort
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  Speaker 8: of pioneered the idea of putting animals in natural poses
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  Speaker 8: and natural settings as opposed to just sort of having
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  Speaker 8: a very static mount with no idea of how they
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  Speaker 8: would behave in their natural habitat. William Hornaday and Carl
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  Speaker 8: Aikley they continued that, but Martha and Maxwell was doing
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  Speaker 8: that well before them.
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  Speaker 9: So there are a lot of historical characters.
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  Speaker 8: Robert Rockwell learned tax jermy from Carl Aikley, but he
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  Speaker 8: was a better sculptor, and so he became a much
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  Speaker 8: better taxidermist, because being a good taxdermist is really about
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  Speaker 8: being a good sculptor. So there are a lot of
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  Speaker 8: wild stories associated with all of those characters. So I
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  Speaker 8: usually like to start with the time period, find those characters,
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  Speaker 8: and then tell some stories about their lives, and that
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  Speaker 8: kind of gets people their foot in the door for
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  Speaker 8: appreciating the tax jurmy, the art itself through those people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we just heard about the heroes. How about
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  Speaker 2: the villains and ell fantasticals.
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  Speaker 8: So Villain's Villains gets me to talk about poaching and
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  Speaker 8: how aside from poaching for bush meat or poaching for
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  Speaker 8: medicine markets, there's poaching or markets for taxi journey. I
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  Speaker 8: also try to get people not to buy certain pieces
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  Speaker 8: of taxiderurney. At a lot of curio shops, you might
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  Speaker 8: see a framed bat, and I encourage people not to
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  Speaker 8: buy those because unlike the very healthy, regulated market that
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  Speaker 8: we have for furbearers, let's say in the United States,
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  Speaker 8: if you buy a framed bat, it probably came from
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  Speaker 8: Indonesia or a place where there is not such a
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  Speaker 8: regulated market for that species. So when you buy those products,
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  Speaker 8: you really don't know what your money is going to support.
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  Speaker 8: So that I would consider more the villain side. The
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  Speaker 8: photos that you're going through here have more to do
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  Speaker 8: with our testicles. And this would be the Field Museum
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  Speaker 8: in Chicago, and these are these fighting bull elephants that
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  Speaker 8: Carl Akley put together and it's a wonderful, dynamic centerpiece
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  Speaker 8: of the museum and the Field Museum actually saw Jumbo,
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  Speaker 8: the elephant that was owned by P. T. Barnum and
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  Speaker 8: was hit by a train. Well, Carl Aikley made a
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  Speaker 8: mount of Jumbo, and people at the Field Museum saw
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  Speaker 8: that mounta and went, wow, he's pretty good. Let's have
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  Speaker 8: him do some elephants for our museum. So they sent
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  Speaker 8: him on safari. He brings back these elephants. He makes
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  Speaker 8: this incredible mount and unveils the mount. Everyone's flabbergasted. They've
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  Speaker 8: never seen anything like it, and they say, now, look, Carl,
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  Speaker 8: we love it.
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  Speaker 9: But there's a problem. There's two big problems.
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  Speaker 8: There's four big problems, four big and it's the elephant testicles.
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  Speaker 8: They're like, this is a family place. You can't just
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  Speaker 8: have balls all over the all over the museum. So
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  Speaker 8: they made him cast the elephants and he was bior.
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  Speaker 9: That's George Dante right there.
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  Speaker 8: He's one of the greatest museum taxidermists working today, getting
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  Speaker 8: up close and personal with one of the bulls. But
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  Speaker 8: so that would be the testicles and how they tie
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  Speaker 8: into that story.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, are the testicles there today? Are those bulls still neutered?
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  Speaker 8: They are still neutered as far as you see when
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  Speaker 8: you're walking around the museum and looking at the mount
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  Speaker 8: But there's there's tale that they are somewhere in.
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  Speaker 9: The back because what were they gonna do? Just chuck
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  Speaker 9: him out with.
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  Speaker 8: The bad.
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  Speaker 2: Brand. What is your favorite era of taxidermy?
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  Speaker 8: For most taxidermy nerds, the era would loosely be described
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  Speaker 8: as the Victorian Era. Specifically, the Victorian Era is the
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  Speaker 8: era of Queen Victoria's reign, which was like eighteen thirty
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  Speaker 8: seven through nineteen oh one. I would bump those numbers
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  Speaker 8: out a little bit and just say kind of roughly
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  Speaker 8: eighteen fifty through the nineteen forties, and that was really
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  Speaker 8: the heyday for taxidermy. There was a lot of taxidermy
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  Speaker 8: happening before that, earlier periods of the Victorian Era, but
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  Speaker 8: people were really honing in on their skills and artistic
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  Speaker 8: displays and what people loved and were fascinated by with
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  Speaker 8: animals in wherever they lived. The tax dermy was huge
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  Speaker 8: in the UK. They have a much richer history of
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  Speaker 8: taxidermy there, so a lot of taxidermy nerds focus specifically
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  Speaker 8: on the UK during that period.
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  Speaker 9: This was a time where.
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  Speaker 8: Some towns had eighteen taxidermists in one town.
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  Speaker 9: That's how popular it was at the time.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine that today taxidermy is kind of a monoc
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  Speaker 2: but at one point there were probably regional variations. What
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  Speaker 2: are some of those regional taxidermy variations when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to different parts of the world and different parts of
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 8: So something I'm a big fan of that I don't
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  Speaker 8: really see anymore and really haven't seen that much outside
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  Speaker 8: of Colorado specifically, are these split half mounts. So if
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  Speaker 8: we think of a half mount, you might think of
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  Speaker 8: a mountain goat with like a shoulder mount with its
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  Speaker 8: front legs coming out, maybe on a rock or something. Well,
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  Speaker 8: a split half mount would be if you went straight
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  Speaker 8: down the nose and bisected the whole animal, and so
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  Speaker 8: you've got the half the animal on the wall, and
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  Speaker 8: just by cocking out the neck and head you can
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  Speaker 8: get the full head both antlers, or you can split
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  Speaker 8: the head right down the middle and have half and
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  Speaker 8: half next to each other, with one antler on one
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  Speaker 8: side of the skull one antler on the other side
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  Speaker 8: of the skull.
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  Speaker 9: I think this is a really cool.
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  Speaker 8: Style of mount. Saves a little bit of space, but
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  Speaker 8: you still get the whole animal. You really don't see
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: it that much anywhere, and I personally haven't seen it
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: outside of Colorado much. It's a it's a really cool mount.
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: I'd like to see more studios pick it up again.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I've never seen that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I not seen anything like that either. You can see photos.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: There's the nice talking.
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: Head that's a single head split bisected in half and
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: you get one half on each side.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Is that considered a full body mount or a half
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: body mount?
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: I would consider it a split split full body mount, so.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Mount.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: But you can see there's all four legs and the
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: full neck and head. You're just kind of shape. It's
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: almost like if you picture at home, if you picture
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: a fish mount, you can put the whole side of
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: the fish, but the one side that's against the wall
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: is flat, so.
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: It can be up on the wall.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. Now. You spend a lot of
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: time in museums looking at stuff quitters, so I asked
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: you today to bring us a list of your top
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: three museums for the best most interesting taxidermy. I'm excited
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to hear what they are. Number three? What is it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: I kind of flipped them into two different groupings so
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: I could cheat and get one more. Okay, great, far
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: as traditional natural history museums are concerned, you're not going
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: to do better than the American Museum of Natural History
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: right here in Manhattan. The downstairs Hall of North American
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: Mammals was finished up and around the nineteen forties, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: they are excellent examples of tax dermy and habitat Dioramas
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: Denver incredible tax deermy dioramas. And then I'd say, really
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: the Wonders of Wildlife Museums Springfield at the bass Pro
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: unbelievable museum, unbelievable, insane museum. And if you want really
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: old school additional taxidermy, amazing mounts and beautiful museum, check
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: out the Fairbanks Museum and Planetarium in Saint Johnsbury, Vermont.
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: Incredible museum, gorgeous space, really traditional, cool mounts and displays.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, bucket list places. I wrote down all four of those, Brant.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: If people want to know more about your work in
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the history of taxidermy, what should they do?
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: My website is Immortalanimals dot com. My instagram is Stuff
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: in my Apartment and you can get in touch with
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: me there. I give all kinds of lectures. I travel
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: for lectures on conservation history, taxidermy, history, wildlife, conservation economics,
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: all sort of related topics. And I'm a mentor for
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: the Kinfolk Hunting Collective in the New York area.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, brand book, The Shotgun Conservationist is available right now. Brant,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: Us, Thanks for out any guys have a good one.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: American Museum Natural History in New York, Natural History Museum
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: in Denver, Wonders of Wildlife in Springfield. And I think
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the last one he said was the Fairbanks Museum and Planetarium.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Do you say in Georgia? In Vermont? I'm sorry? How
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: many of those places have you been to?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Randall three?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, not the Vermont?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Not Vermont?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: How about you, Max? Have you been to any?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: No? I have not.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: My favorite museum for tax dermy is as a world traveler,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the Natural History Museum in Vienna, because all of that
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: stuff is like one hundred plus years old and it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: not maintained at all. Oh, just animals are the wrong colors.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: The elk look like whitetail deer because they're so bleached out.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: But just like every animal you can imagine. But it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like a chuckle fest. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I've been to the New York American Museum in Natural
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: History and the one in Denver, both very exciting. The
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: one in Denver in their planetariums or no, what's it called,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: there're are dioramas and they're di ramas. The artist has
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: painted some little trolls into the scenes that you go
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: around you try to find that all the trolls, trying
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to find the trolls.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: It's like the hot springs at White Sulfur, just like that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I texted Randall last night. I said, Randall, if you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: could go to a great history, natural history museum or
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: a great zoo, which one would you pick? What was
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: your answer?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: A great natural.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: History museum because he said a zoo just feels like
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a strip club.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I did say that in a private tax exchange.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I said, you just it's you walk around and just
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: go o whoa. You know, there's no depth of But
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: a natural history museum then, like either, it just has
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: a way of like blowing your mind and you actually
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: learn stuff.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I don't find that I learned very many things at
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the zoo. I just see cool things and I go wow.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, it was actually Max who texted me Max
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: who said zoos are like strip club.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: No. No, of all the things that have blushed about
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: in this room, that's not one of them. I did
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: say that on a text exchange.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: All right, Moving on, Our next segment is Hot tip Off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's saltyt that's salty. Hot tip Off is where two
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: one minute video on your phone and email it to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: radio at the meadeater dot com with the subject line
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: hot tip Off. This week, Hot tip Off is brought
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to you by Mountain Ops. Mountain Oops supports your daily
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: journey from mountain training to overall well being, optimizing performance,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: enhancing recovery, and bolstering health, preparing you for any challenge. Okay,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: this week it is James Chapman versus Lane Are. They
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: are competing for a one hundred dollars meat eat your
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: gift card, take it away, Phil.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: Wayne Acre.
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: And there's Lane Acre and I got a hot tip
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: for making sure your decoys don't get tangled all next season.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: So you needed some para cord, PVC pipe, a couple
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: of carabiners. So what you do is you cut your
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: PVC down a little bit shorter than your lines and
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: your decoys, and you cut.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: Your hair qord a little bit longer than that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: Exactly what you got finished product pain of black. The
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: line runs through it from the top and from there
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: you can hook the dcoys on. Holl you got a
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: bigger carabiner here, cook it on. You got a hand
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: decoy carrier. So I've got a few of these in
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: my boat when I carry in, I can carry a
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: couple of these pretty easily, about fifteen decoys per keep
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: them from getting tangled.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And you know I have to worry.
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: About buying those expensive decoyl on that just he's like
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: one hundred pound amount of fila in it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: First grade hot tip.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I like it, change shopping.
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: I've solved the problem for hunting here and protection.
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: Hoodies.
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: Got these daggum things on them end of your string
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: ties These reusable plastic earplugs right there right there. You
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: just jam them on the end and they're literally right
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: on your hoodie, right in your ear all the time.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Two very hot tips there from James and Lane, Max,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to really rely on you here for
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that custom decoy carrier of a tip?
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Was that?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And before you answer, Phil is going to put this
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: pole in our chat too for them to vote as well,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and our listeners are going to decide who gets that
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: one hundred dollars meat eater gift card. Get in there,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: all right, Maxwell?
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: In my experience, they get tangled either way, no matter what.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I would love to try that out and see if
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: they actually don't get tangled.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But I would use it for sure and give it
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: a shot.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Even if not tangling.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Is that not like a convenient way just to carry
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: them three hundred yards to the water hole?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Oh? For sure.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: I mean it's a lot better than putting the actual
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: string on your shoulder and then the string or the
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: decoy lines are digging into your shoulder.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I would love to try it sometime.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Randa, what do you think.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: What was the second gentleman's name?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We have Lane who had the custom decoy carrier, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: we had James who had the hearing protection hoodie strings.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I think Lane's tip was maybe more. I liked james delivery,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and I also would love to just bump into someone
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: at a gas station who's got stuck on Like I love.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: My heart wants to go with that, but I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: ultimately my head tells me that it's the it's the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: PVC pipe plus anything that you can do with PVC
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: pipe for a non traditional use. I'm all in rod tubes, potato.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Cannons, both very hot tips. I liked that James is
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: one with the hearing protection on hoodie strings. That's like
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a ten second project. Yeah, and Lanes, you're probably spending
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like a Saturday morning rigging that thing up, but it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: not very cheap or excuse me, it's not very expensive
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: or very difficult to make that custom decoy carrier. You
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: can see the video of what he's doing there on
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel. We're gonna give the
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: chat like twenty more seconds. I think I would also
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: vote though with Lane, with any custom decoy care.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: It's never occurred to me to put hoodie strings ear
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: plugs on my hoodie strings me either. It's just fantastic.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I love this so much.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That's that's a good.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: If you're not wearing a hoodie with strings though, because.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: They I'm wearing now.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you go death.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: A lot of people like taking those strings off because
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: they're scared they're going to get caught into something.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah if you're yeah, I mean it depends if it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: like you wear the same hoodie all the time, you know.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Or if you have like a hunting hoodie or working hoodie.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, work yeah. I mean that's great for
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the job site.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Too, real real blue collar hot tip. All right, Phil,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: what's the chat? I have to say?
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: All right, Well, with about fifty nine fifty eight percent
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: of the vote, the winner is laying with the decoy.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: All right, we gratulations you earned that one. We're a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: podcast producer is going to reach out to you about
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: how to get that gift card. And again, if you
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: want to submit a hot tip, send it to radio
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the medieater dot com with the subject line hot tip off.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: what's the chat A have to say?
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just full transparency here. There was some sort of
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: like I don't know if it was like a static
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: short that just reset something with our computer or so.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: It wasn't the internet. I think I might have just
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: you know, rubbed my shoes on the carpet a little
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: too hard.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: Or something like that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: But in when that happened, it completely borked up the
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: resolution of the TV I use in the TV that
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: the guys see in the studio, so it's a little
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: bit harder to read the comments. I can only read
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: about two at a time, so I've been scrolling through there.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: But we've got we've got a few that I can
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: pull from. So Christopher asks Spencer who's sent in a
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: gas can? While he's asking the live chat who sent
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: in a gas can? For Spencer? If mine doesn't at
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: least get an honorable mention, I'll be disappointed.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Two episodes ago, I asked for our listeners to send
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in their recommendation for the world's best gas can because
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I have yet to be satisfied with one in the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: last decade. You guys really provided. I think I have
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: one hundred fifty emails as of this morning to go through.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'm still going through them.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: There are two brands though that seemed to be ahead
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of everyone else. On a future episode, we'll go through
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: them and tell you what the Meat Eater listeners recommended.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: In Love Cool, this.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Is another question for Spencer from Spencer crew held the
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Milwaukee store opening.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Go Spencer, I think you were the you. Mark and
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Chester were there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And Chester it was awesome. We had I think a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: thousand people show up was the number that they guessed.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: The store looks awesome. When when you're inside the Milwaukee store,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you feel it, You're like I am in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: just like I think if you're in the Bozeman store. Uh,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's very clear to you that you are in
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a Mediator store in Bozeman. So the people we talked
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to were awesome. I love Milwaukee, I love Wisconsin. A
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: lot of good people. There was a lot of fun
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: thanks to everyone who showed up there and the Madison
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: tailgate too were the next day.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Any cheese curds we did have cheese curds.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Ye ascot we had there. We had multiple I think
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: we had three people bring us a case of spotted cow.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: So Wisconsin really glided. They brought their best.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: On the heels of the taxidermy conversation, Isaac's asking if
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: if the crew has any unique or interesting piece tax
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: army that you haven't talked about on the show before.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Maxwell anything.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: My first ever duck mounts looked like crap Oka.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: And the next I asked for like a dead mount
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: hanging by the feet, and I got them back and
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: they were hanging by the neck and the neck was
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: about like a foot long on each duck. And so
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: it's like throughout college is just like a running joke.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: It was like, oh, yeah, do you want to see
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: my shitty ducks? You know, that's the only interesting and okay,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: really the only tax dream I've ever had done. Everything
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: else has just been your euromounts and beetle cleaning.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: So that's about it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Randal anything exciting.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The first bear I shot, I got a shoulder mount,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: and I feel like that's a little uncommon to do
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: a shoulder mounted black bear. It's not like weird or anything.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: But it's also funny because it's not a very big bear.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: That's in Chili's office one along with my old couch,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: and then at your office. Actually the most recent, the
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: most recent bear I killed when I was up in
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Alaska with Steve. I got that into a half. They
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: call it a wall pedestal, which is essentially like a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: shoulder mount, but it has more of the chest coming
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: out of the wall. And very happy with that, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I do sometimes chuckle to myself that my only two
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: and I have a bear rug. But my only like
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: tax neermy other than some fish when I was little.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Or bears bears.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I think the most unique taxidermy in my house is
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: probably Clay Nucombe gave me a couple of raccoon baculums,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: which is a penis bone, and so we have those
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: on a nice frame on the wall.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And then I haven't had this one in about a decade,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: but when I was in college, my buddies and I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: would heavily sue the Keystillope, which was the hunting season
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: promotion that Keystone Light did with the gold can or
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: exactly Bush Bush Light did one where I think it
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: was a gold can, and Keystone did one where.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: It was either gold or orange orange. I think orange.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was the orange can Hunter's orange for it. Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And then if you were to get one, you have
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like a box cutout where you put it on the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: wall and there's like a keystallope and I think there
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was a Keysta fish or a Keysta trout something like that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: So when we had we had a couple of orange cans.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Those used to be up in my college apartment, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: now that I'm an adult, just don't have.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: And no more keys.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'd like to bring it back though. I put that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in Chili's.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Office and liquor bottle. Home decor has really gone away
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: for me in recent years.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like once you turned like thirty four. Yeah, all right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: moving on, we have the Meat Eater Movie Club this week.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: We're reviewing the twenty ten documentary Elephant in the living Room.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Phil. Although that sound effect rings hollow in
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: my ears since our Bennegan's review, and I've lost all
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: confidence in this bit.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Peaked then Yeah, okay.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. I'm basically a heavily concussed Brett Favre playing
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: for the Vikings at this point year two. It's got
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: a straightforward review, but I think there's the film is
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: right for discussion. We're reviewing The Elephant in the living Room,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: so I'll begin my commentary. The order winning twenty ten
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: documentary The Elephant in the living Room plums a fundamental
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: mystery of the human condition, the capacity of people to
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: do things that are completely inexplicable to other people, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: how those inexplicable things somehow make perfect sense to the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: people doing them. It's the type of film that forces
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: you to con in front the unsettling reality that the
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: mind is capable of justifying nearly anything, and that rationality
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: itself might be nothing more than a shared hallucination we've
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: all agreed to participate in. Your neighbors might well be
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: living entirely different lives that follow logic so alien it
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: might as well be from another planet. The film follows
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Tim Harrison, a public safety officer who specializes in exotic
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: animal emergencies, as he responds to calls that sound like
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: a five year old wildlife enthusiast filled out some mad libs,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: escaped lions and Walmart parking lots, pythons trapped in suburban basements,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: bears held captive and backyard sheds, and cougar this is
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: my favorite, and cougar's prowling next to pretzel bakries, which
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: actually is a thing from the film. Mister Harrison serves,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: or Officer Harrison, I should say, serves as our guide
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: through this parallel universe where owning a four hundred pound
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: tiger is somehow not only worth considering, it's worth fighting for.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: He has the thousand yard stare of a man who's
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: seen too many things that shouldn't exist but absolutely do.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: But the real enig star of the show is the
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: late Terry Brumfield, a truck driver who keeps a pen
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: full of African lions in his mud spattered Ohio backyard.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Watching Brumfield interact with these animals, you're struck by how
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: completely normal this seems to him. He feeds them, he
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: talks to them, He worries about their health, exactly like
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: any pet owner, except his pets could horribly maim him
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: in a moment. The cognitive dissonance is staggering. Terry has
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: decided that sharing his property with apex predators from another
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: continent is a rational choice, and scoffs at those who
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: have called him quote brain dead, selfish, and immature. The
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: documentary doesn't try to bridge this gap for the viewer.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: It lets you chew on the electrifying discomfort of knowing
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: that human beings can arrive at completely opposite conclusions about
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: what constitutes reasonable behavior. This extends to everyone in the film.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: There's the woman who sees some measure of irony in
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: escaping the tutalitarian regime behind the Iron Curtain, only to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: find that keeping tigers in perupt Nevada is unnerving to
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: her names. There's the dealers who trade in poisonous snakes
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: that they coil up inside of empty potato salad containers.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Director Michael Weber wisely avoids trying to explain these people
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: to us. Instead, he lets their own words reveal the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: vast gulf between how they see themselves and how the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: rest of us see them. There's something anthropological about the film,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: like studying a culture whose basic assumptions about risk, responsibility
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: and sanity are so different from mainstream society that meaningful
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: communication between the two becomes nearly impossible. So that's my take.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: But I have a whole list of things before we
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: get into the discussion. I tried to check up on
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: some of the folks from this well. Then Terry, the
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: man who kept the lions, actually died died the same
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: year as the film's release.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it kind of felt like it was trending
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that direction.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy, the giant guy that U the wrestler,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: he looks like gold birds. Yeah, he also passed away.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I looked up the Animal Finder's Guide the classify you.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It was like the Auto Trader, but for exotic pets.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: That stopped publishing in twenty eighteen. I went to the website. IP.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I went to the web because I when I saw
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: that on the screen, I wrote down I should get
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: animal Finder. I wrote Animal Finder Guide? Can we get it?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: And Sydney turned to me and said, I'm surprised you
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: don't have that. There are some articles still in the website,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: including advice on what to do if your large animal escapes.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: He says, my standing rule is if an animal of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: danger leaves my compound, there shall be no effort to capture,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: but only to destroy. Wow, because no single animal is
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: worth the harm it does to all the other exotic pets.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: When someone is mulled, Oh okay, I thought that was insightful.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's usually not the take these people have. Yeah, well,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: it's like animal above human. I think that this person
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: has a larger review because they're part of the trade.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And then finally I tried to look up the folks
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: from perump Nevada who were sort of political, and so
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I couldn't remember their names, and I didn't want to
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: go back and watch the film, so I googled exotic
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Pets perump Nevada, big Cats, and I found a guy
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: who very recently claimed his seven tigers were emotional support
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: animals so that the government couldn't take them away. But
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: the government still took them away, and I thought, surely
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that's got to be the same people that were in
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: this film. And no, Scott Shoemaker and Susannah Cookole are
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: not the people involved in this. That guy was named
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: like like cal something. I don't know, So I don't know.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I guess I've got a lot of thoughts here. The
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: final thought was the I mean, this movie is actually
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: darker and more disturbing than I imagine than I remembered.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You had declared this is one of your favorite documentaries.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I watched it a bunch. This probably is the documentary
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: of most I've watched, third, mostly behind Grisly Man and
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. But I hadn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: watched in a very long time, and it's darker than
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I remember, and so I have some dark The worst
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: part of the movie is seeing the lion die. Uh.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And then second most is when they have they take
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: the starving elephant away from that woman. And the elephant's
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: name is Twiggy. And I wrote down in my notes.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: If I were starving an elephant to death in my backyard,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't name it twiggy. I wouldn't like to make
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: a joke about it. So I don't know what are
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: your thoughts, guys, your thoughts.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Well, paw Rump, Nevada. The only thing I have any
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: awareness about of that place is that is where lamar
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: odom overdosed on. That's right at a what do they
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: call it, like a bunny house? Just a brothel.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like forty or fifty miles outside
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: of Vegas, I believe.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they they really like their brothel and they're
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: big tigers and lions.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: My takeaway watching this was why is this Ohio's culture?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: As are token?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's just Ohio mainly.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Our token Ohio in Randall? Why are your people like this?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I see? This is one of those questions. This is
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: one of those questions you have about any work of art.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Is it just Ohio? Or is the film just in Ohio? Sure?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Because if you watch Chimp Crazy, I don't think any
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of those chimps are in Ohio.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Is that Connecticut?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: No, that was miss There's Yeah, it's all over the country. Oregon, Connecticut.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I think this is also one of those things where
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it's like this doesn't exist until you look for it. Sure,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and then when you're this officer, you see it everywhere.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I love the officer.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: He's great, he's got a great heart.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it reminds me of like the old Dare
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: like anti drug campaigns. But if if marijuana was like
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: hm as bad as it was in the nineties. Yeah,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: because he's like he's like sort of he's like, I,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you know, I have this connection to it, but let
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: me tell you it's bad. Kids. You don't want to
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: get into you don't want to get into tigers, you
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: don't want to get into lines. And they're sort of
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: walking around on the neighborhood on this crusade like and
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: going and shot, like showing the cameras how bad this is.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The casting for this documentary was very strong, Like
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the cop looked like a cop. The exotic pet owners
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: looked like exotic pet owners, the exotic pet rescue people
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: looked like exotic pet rescue people. They nailed it for
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: bringing us those characters. Max.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Did you notice how Tim was wearing a live strong bracelet?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I did not know.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of massioac and real tree in this.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: But then also like at one point, like Tim had
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: this hat it said ambulance on it, but it was
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: like instead of spelled left right, it was spelled right
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: the left, which I thought it was extremely awkward, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: like I just thought it was like, oh, just like
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: looking into a mirror. But then I read his shirt
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: and his shirt was reading perfectly fine.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Well, you can't see his shirt if you're looking in
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: your ear of your mirror, but you may be able
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to see his hat.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: No, it was just like just I'll find it. I'll
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: send a picture to you guys later. But it was
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: just like it wasn't even looking in a mirror.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Weird.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: There were also a weird government agency of first responders
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: where it's like the police officers were the firemen and
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the firemen were the EMTs. I didn't know that it's
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: all across.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Is that just because it was a small community.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Well, he said it was very rare. He did say
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: it was very rare. I enjoyed my One of my
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: favorite moments in the film is when he's walking through
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the woods. Max pointed out that it seems like it's
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a set up cheesy, but he's
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: walking through the woods and he describes it as a
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: little slice of heaven, and he's like very genuine about it. Yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: And it's just sort of like dark. There's nothing that's like,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: it's Ohio, it doesn't see yeah, like there's nothing about
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: it on the spectacle. It's like this gray, gray woods.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: But you could tell that guy was like, this is
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a piece of heaven. Yeah, And I love that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I think he just needed some quiet in his life.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: That was something he was missing. I had when I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: used to think about SeaWorld. I was like, it's probably bad,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: but I imagine there's like a lot of nuance with
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: keeping whales and dolphins in a place like that. And
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: then I went whale watching for the first time and
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: saw how like a pod of Orica is very quickly
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: could move miles like you would see them here. They
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: disappear for a minute or two, and then all of
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: a sudden they are miles away, and I was like, oh,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: never mind, it's actually not nuanced. It's just pretty evil
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to have those things in captivity like that. There's no
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: there's no reason, probably almost no reason where that should
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: be okay, where you can have whales and dolphins in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: a place like SeaWorld. I think I had a similar
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: experience with this documentary that I was probably beforehand, Like
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I imagine there's some real nuance and owning a lion
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: if you live in Texas is cool. You know, it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: just not for me. But then when they go to
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the Exotic Pet show and you see all those critters
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: just yeah, like a nine foot snake in a rubber
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: or a rubber maid container with an alligator in it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It was awful to watch.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I wrote down this the market like there's a there's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: sort of a like an Mission Impossible or James Bond.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: You always see like the scene where there's an Arms
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Bizarre and there's like arms traders selling weapons to terrorists. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and that was like, that was the vibe I got
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: from that scene, Yes, except instead of selling weapons to
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: like fanatical murders. It's just that but for people wearing
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: tank tops going oh that's cool, how much? Yeah? I
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: like the guy that was buying the alligator for his
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: kid or something.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh the kid was so pumped up.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the kid was so pumped up, and I'm just like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: it's not gonna end well.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Like I in twenty twenty five right now, how prevalent
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: do you think the reptile trade is or like exotic animals?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's like still a thing.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I imagine in parts of the country it very much is.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Well, there's been a there's been a big crackdown in
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: recent years. I think I think, uh, you know, there's
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: obviously like an organized movement to bring an end to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: this stuff, and tiger Kings certainly brought popular attention to it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: There was also the infamous Zanesville massacre where the guy
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: another Ohio and released all of his animals and they
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: ended up shooting.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Did he kill himself too?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he killed himself and they ended up shooting like
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: all but four There's lions, tigers, bears, wolves, and that
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: that also brought like national attention to it, where you
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: know they have like you see a CNN broadcast and
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: they're talking to some expert and they're like, well, actually
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: there's no rules about this, so I don't know what
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: do we do? Yeah, So I bet I bet this
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: scene has changed somewhat since this, but I think it's
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I think it's still thriving in certain place.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: A tough watch you see some like very beautiful animals
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: who are like tortured situation.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but in the movie.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: But the part about it is like the they talk
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: to someone who loves having animals, and then they talked
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: to like that old guy who's just sitting in the cherries,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and he's just like, I don't understand these people. Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Like there's just such a disconnect. There's something that's just
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: very compelling to me about that. One final note here.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much time we have, but I
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: paused when they showed the Animal Finder Guide when he's
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: flipping through it. I paused it and I looked at
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: what was on the page, and there was an ad
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that said where it says need one hundred shooter bucks
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty inches to two hundred and fifty
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: inches call Jerry.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, did you call him? No?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: But it's like a big half page classified ad in there,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: just like I need a hundred for the fall? Can
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: you get can you get some shoe bugs for me?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Fun?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, where I grew up, there was a free
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: newspaper you'd find in any gas station that was called
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: The Green Sheets, and it's basically agriculture advertisements where people
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: saying I'm in need of twenty hay bales, or I
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: have a nineteen eighty six Chevy pickup for sale. I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: would like us to bring something like that to meet
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: eat a radio called the Meat Sheets where we do
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: advertising for people. Someone in Mississippi is looking for a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: buddy to go fishing with. Someone in Iowa would like
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: a twenty acre deer lease near Des Moines.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can, if we can drop an ironclad
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: liability waiver for this, I think it's a great idea.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just like doing Tinder for some folks who
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: need some outdoor projects or hunting buddy or whatever. Yeah,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I like it really quick.
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: Max.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: People are talking about it in the chat, but they
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: print ambulance backwards on the front of ambulances.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Oh really, so that when you look at that, when
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: you look at mirror. Every day show show was up,
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: you know written.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you, chat very good. Our last segment today is
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty five Sasquatch Calling contest. But before
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: we do that interview, I want you to hear what
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: it sounds like to be there. Here is a thirty
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: second clip of the twenty eighteen competition. The final Call
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You Hear is from the winner play the clip, Phil.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I thought Randall was gonna make noises. Wow, she's got
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: some lungs on it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: She was the winner. Good, all right, Joe us On
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the line now is Cheryl Pattorti and Paul Bartholomew from
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Festival and Calling Contest in Whitehall, New York.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Cheryl and Paul, welcome to the show.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Hi, thanks for having us.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. All right, we're going to talk
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: to Cheryl first. She is the organizer of the Sasquatch Festival. Cheryl,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I have to get this question out of the way.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Do you believe in Bigfoot?
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: You do? Okay? Have you ever seen or heard a bigfoot?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I have not, okay, So why then do you believe
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in bigfoot?
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Well, we have all our researchers who bring us all
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: this information. There's castings of footprints, so I think there's
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: one out there somewhere, at least one, if not.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: A lot more excellent. I would be disappointed if the
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: person organizing this festival did not believe in bigfoot. So
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. All right, Cheryl, what is
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Festival.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just a big event in our community here
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: in Wyhall, New York. There has been sightings of sash
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: squatch a few years back in our community, so people
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: got together and decided this would be a great fun
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: festival to bring people into our community. So here we
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: are nine years later, bigger. It grows bigger every single year.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: It's got attention of people all over the country. So
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: White Halts a very small community with only about three
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: thousand people, and we bring in at least three thousand
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: to four thousand people just for this festival.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Amazing. And what is there for people to do there?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Well, we have one hundred and fifty vendors that come
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: in all down, up and down the streets. We have
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: lecturers and researchers who start all day long. There's eight
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of them and they come in and bring us all
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: kinds of information so people can listen to all their
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: electures all day.
• 52:01
  Speaker 11: We have live.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Entertainment, we have a beer garden, we have all kinds
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: of fun things, children's areas, so it's.
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: A fun day.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: And the festival is best known for its Sasquatch calling contest.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: It takes place this Saturday, at five pm, Cheryl, how
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: many competitors do you expect to have this year?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Well, generally in the past we have two divisions, as
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: children's division and an adult division, So up till age
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: fourteen we probably get about twenty five or thirty kids
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that do it, but the adult we could have sixty
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: to eighty or maybe one hundred this year.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Callers great, and what are they competing for?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Just to have the title I'm the winner of the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Sashquatch calling contest.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is very meaningful. I would say, who are
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the judges of the competition?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: We bring some people in from out of town, people
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: who want to have fun, people who want to be involved.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So we have some business, a couple of business people.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: We have a high school guidance counselor, we have the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: chairman of the tourism division for our county. We have
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a high school student. So we get a little variety
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of everybody, and they're all very supportive of the festival.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Have some of those folks heard a bigfoot before? Do
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: they know what they should be listening for.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. I don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: think they've heard one. Okay, maybe they've gone online and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: heard some calls.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: There we go. Okay, Now I want to talk to Paul.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Paul is a bigfoot researcher and the author of the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: book Bigfoot Encounters in New York and New England. Paul,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: do you believe in Bigfoot?
• 53:53
  Speaker 13: Whatever this phenomenon is, it's real and it has been
• 53:57
  Speaker 13: cited by reputable people, and so yes, I believe that
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: whatever is being cited out there, there's something being cited,
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: and it's not the normal culprits such as bears and
• 54:09
  Speaker 13: things like that. This creature does different things. It crosses
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: the road and three steps and that was witnessed by
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: police officers outside of Whitehall back in nineteen eighty two.
• 54:20
  Speaker 13: There was a major incident involving various police agencies back
• 54:23
  Speaker 13: in nineteen seventy six out on a bear road. So
• 54:26
  Speaker 13: we've got a lot of respectable witnesses who have seen
• 54:29
  Speaker 13: this creature or some of these creatures.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: How about you. Have you seen or heard a bigfoot?
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I have not.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, but you've been studying bigfoot for over forty years
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: and in that time you've interviewed dozens of Sasquatch eyewitnesses.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: When is the last time you investigated a sighting. Paul.
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: Sightings are continual.
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: They're basically broken down into three categories, which are eyewitness sightings,
• 54:55
  Speaker 13: track fines, and vocal reports. And it's just a continual
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: process of reports. And if you go to the BFRO site,
• 55:04
  Speaker 13: which is Matt Moneymaker's Bigfoot Field Research Organization site, you
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: can actually just track where you want to look to
• 55:11
  Speaker 13: see if there have been sightings. You know what counties
• 55:13
  Speaker 13: and what states.
• 55:14
  Speaker 11: So it's a great grass roots thing to check out.
• 55:18
  Speaker 13: In Washington County, which is where Whitehall is here in
• 55:21
  Speaker 13: upstate New York, we have hundreds of sightings on record.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. So when is the last time you investigated a sighting?
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: Last year?
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Okay? Now a Bloomberg article stated that bigfoot sightings peaked
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: in the early two thousands and have been on a
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: decline ever since.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Have you witnessed the same trend?
• 55:42
  Speaker 11: No, not at all.
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: In fact, back when I started, of course, I would
• 55:47
  Speaker 13: be considered ancient because I can remember typing a manuscript,
• 55:51
  Speaker 13: you know, with carbon paper. But you know, now we
• 55:54
  Speaker 13: have social media and instant messaging, and so the information
• 55:59
  Speaker 13: flow is is really instant, And as far as I'm concerned,
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: what I've seen is more reports than ever and reported faster,
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: And so you have now a loose network of researchers
• 56:12
  Speaker 13: connected through social media that constantly put their information forward.
• 56:16
  Speaker 13: You know, back in my day we had to look
• 56:18
  Speaker 13: for news clipping services and things.
• 56:21
  Speaker 11: Like that and mail things out. Now everything's instant.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Good. Good. I'm glad to hear that the bigfoot sightings
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: are still strong. What percentage of the time do you
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: walk away from an interview and come to the conclusion
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: that that person saw a genuine bigfoot?
• 56:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't know what the percentage would be, but
• 56:39
  Speaker 13: there are certain things what I call confirmation moments, and
• 56:43
  Speaker 13: that's like what Cliff Sparks was a family friend and
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: the former owner of the Skiing.
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: Valley country Club in Whitehall.
• 56:50
  Speaker 13: He had a sighting back in May of seventy five
• 56:53
  Speaker 13: out on the Greens And the only reason we got
• 56:55
  Speaker 13: that sighting is because we were friends with Cliff Dan
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: Gordon his name private for twenty years. He didn't want
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: to be known as the Bigfoot cop, and then finally
• 57:05
  Speaker 13: he came forward with his information publicly. So there's information
• 57:10
  Speaker 13: like that that seems to confirm that these are our
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: reputable witnesses who have everything to lose in nothing to gain.
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: And there was a fascinating incident back in the early
• 57:19
  Speaker 13: two thousands up in the Dresden area, which is just
• 57:21
  Speaker 13: outside of Whitehall, and a couple of Hong Kong nationals
• 57:26
  Speaker 13: were fishing and he saw this creature wading through the
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: water at chest level.
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: They described it as ape like and I said to him,
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: I said, well, what did you do? And he says, well,
• 57:36
  Speaker 11: we want fishing.
• 57:38
  Speaker 13: In other words, in their cultural expectation, they weren't all
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: that surprise.
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: They just didn't know that we had.
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: Primates in this area. So you get in a case
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: like that and you're like, wow, that's very.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting, fascinating, amazing. What are some things that those credible
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: eyewitnesses have in common when it comes to the details
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: of their story?
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: Well, what's being cited here?
• 57:58
  Speaker 13: If I gave out a general description and you're talking
• 58:00
  Speaker 13: about seven to eight feet tall, it's fairly common, dark
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: colored usually, But you know, you can go back into
• 58:07
  Speaker 13: New York Times articles and there was a case in
• 58:10
  Speaker 13: the eighteen hundreds on the front page of New York
• 58:12
  Speaker 13: Times and Paul no Vermont where the creature was red
• 58:16
  Speaker 13: in color and only five feet tall, but you have
• 58:19
  Speaker 13: these various descriptions, making a sound like a squealing or
• 58:23
  Speaker 13: a high pitched scream, being a photo sensitive, light sensitive, photophobic, having.
• 58:33
  Speaker 11: A gait like a.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: Man, but looking more like a gorilla, with long swinging
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: arms down at knee level. So it's I guess you'd
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: be your traditional Harry and the Henderson's type of creature
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: being cited in a lot of the cases. Occasionally, like
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: down in Kinderhook, New York, where Bruce Hellnbeck is an expert,
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: these creatures were seen in groups.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, now we know what to look for. Paul,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you literally wrote the book on bigfoot in New England,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: so I want to ask you some question, and specifically
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: about sasquatch in that region. Does a New England bigfoot
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: differ from a bigfoot that lives in Tennessee or Montana
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: or California.
• 59:10
  Speaker 13: That's that's an excellent question because this is a global enigma.
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: Whatever is going on here is going on around the world.
• 59:20
  Speaker 13: If you go to the Nepal and the Himalayas, we
• 59:23
  Speaker 13: call these creatures of the Yeti or the Obombo snowman,
• 59:25
  Speaker 13: whether they're a cousin, but they're they're closely described the
• 59:28
  Speaker 13: same type of you know, unknown primate type creature. If
• 59:32
  Speaker 13: you go to Australia, where my brother was at for
• 59:34
  Speaker 13: many years, it's called the Yahwe or the Yahoo or
• 59:36
  Speaker 13: the Devil's devil.
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: If you go to the former.
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: You know, Soviet Union, it was the Chachuna or the Almeisti. So,
• 59:43
  Speaker 13: and then we talk about the States. You can go
• 59:45
  Speaker 13: down to Florida which racks up a lot of sightings
• 59:48
  Speaker 13: and it's called the skunkate down there, Momo in Missouri,
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: the falk Monster.
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: In Arkansas, and so forth.
• 59:55
  Speaker 13: Now the Honey Island swamp monster appears to be a
• 59:57
  Speaker 13: little more aggressive, and that may be because it's in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: an environment which has you know, you know, alligators, reptiles
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 13: and things, and it just may be more aggressive in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 13: that regards. So we do have these regional differences, but
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: they seem to be some sort of they seem to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 13: be related in some way.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think a New England bigfoot eat?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: Doctor Cook who I studied with at Castle in State College.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 13: He was a Pulitzer Prize nominee and an anthropologist, and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 13: he wrote flood Tide of Empire through Yale University, and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 13: he had studied this with myself, and he felt that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: whatever these creatures were, they were probably opportunistic and omnivorous,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: meaning you know, plants and animals.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 11: They are often seen in swampy areas and things.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 13: Like, you know, maybe a down deer that would be
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: edible as well, and down in Kenderhook it was actually
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 13: seen going through garbage, so or at least a group
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: of these creatures. So yeah, it's I think actor Cook's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: observation of being opportunistic would be probably.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 11: The best answer.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Sounds like Randal is a bigfoot dangerous?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 13: It looks like, well, I mean, any wild animal or
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: creature in the wild that you're not used to, you
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 13: should obviously use caution. But in my span of research,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 13: I haven't come across very many negative encounters. One encounter
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 13: that I have heard fairly frequently is people say, well,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 13: it started to chase me, and then they say, well,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: it seemed like it could have caught me at any time,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: and I'm not. I'm wondering if that might be some
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: sort of a bluffing display to you know, to get
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: rid of the danger near it.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: If someone in New England wanted to see a bigfoot today,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: where would you send them and what would you tell
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: them to do.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 11: It's like hitting the lottery.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 13: The most common sighting of a creature is driving around
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 13: at night and the creature crosses the road in front
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 13: of you.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: That was the Dan Gordon, a police officers sighting.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: He was with another officer at the time, and the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 13: creature crossed the road in three steps.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 11: They were stunned.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: He gets out of the car, draws his weapon, tries
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 13: to follow, but it's long gone. And you know, Dan
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: took a polygraph regarding this incident, and there was no deception.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: Of course we knew, we weren't. I went to school
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: with Dan, very honest person, brutally honest person, and so yeah,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 13: you just have to be lucky. I mean, obviously there's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: certain areas that they have had a lot of sightings,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: like Kenderhook, chitten and Vermont, the Whitehall, New York region,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: the Rutland Vermont region and so forth.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 11: But there's different hot spots all over the place.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 13: You know, if you look on a national level, you
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: go to like the ranch in Utah, which has been
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 13: studied by George Knatt, the investigative journalist, and that has
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: a plethora of paranormal phenomena occurring there routinely.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, circling back to the Sasquatch calling competition, what do
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: we know about foot vocalizations?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, you can.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: Actually look up online, look up Ron Moorehead and you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 13: look up the Sierra Sounds from nineteen seventy two, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 13: he put them right out there, and these were sounds
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 13: he and Alan Berry and a group had gone up
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: into the Sierras and recorded these incredible vocal displays and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 13: they've been studied by various institutes and scientists and they're
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 13: right open for everybody to listen to and to study.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 13: And I think those are the real thing. I think
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 13: that's and it's a it's an assortment of sounds raging
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: from guttural noises to high pitched screaming to what sounds
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 13: like a wild you know, violent.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: Type display to more more more like.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: Grunting and things. So yeah, you can actually hear them
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: right online Ron Moorehead.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I just pulled it up and it's got
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: one point three million.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: We will check that out. After the interview. You can
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: hear Paul speak about bigfoot in Whitehall's role in the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: unexplained at the Sasquatch festival this Saturday at ten thirty am.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The Sasquatch calling competition starts at five. Cheryl and Paul,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: good luck with the event and thanks for joining us.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 11: Thank you for having us. You really appreciate it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Fun guys, Randal, do you believe in Bigfoot?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I like that there are people
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: who do.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. I like.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I like to think, and I feel fairly certain that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: we don't know everything about everything right. The size of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot gives me pause.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: It's hard to hide all those skeletons, and I just
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: feel like, get them on trail camera.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: But I liked I liked it. I like that people believe.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: We're getting a lot of requests in the chat for
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: a Randall bigfoot vocalization.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, Max is gonna Max is gonna tell us if
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: he believes in bigfoot. Randall, you think about what vocalization
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: would sound like. We'll get that in a minute.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I've got it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: A minute, ponder it. I personally don't.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: My biggest thing is like you out in the woods
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: and you run into dead critters all the time.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: A dead deer, dead whatever, dead birds.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: Why haven't we ran across a dead bigfoot yet?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I ain't never found a dead wolf. I believe in wolves.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: Confirmed saying.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Sorry, supposed to go.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: That is a cat giving birth.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: That was great. I do not believe in Bigfoot. I've
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: never believed in Bigfoot. I think there's a zero percent
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: chance he's real. But I love the folks that are
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: dedicated to finding them, and I love the folks who
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: are dead catered to, you know, making this a thing
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: and keeping this a thing. If if I was at
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the Madison, Wisconsin Tailgate tour and two people came up
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to me at the same time, and one of them's like,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I have a story about the time I killed one
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty inch white tail, and then the other
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: guy said, I have a story about the time I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: saw Bigfoot. I would say, Bigfoot story, give me that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: one first. I'm very interested in that. That that is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: something that I will always be entertained by, despite not
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: ever going to believe in it until, like, you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: the thing shows up as a carcass.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: And I think, like just being being outside, there's an
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: element of it that's like mysterious. You never know what
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: you're gonna see, you never know what's going to happen,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: good or bad. And so the Bigfoot is like the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: embodiment of that. It's the distillation of all of the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: unknown of the outside. And I like for that reason,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that Bigfoot exists in our culture.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I like the culture aspect of it, and I like
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: that it gets some people outdoors who seem to be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: like singularly interested in that thing that's that is their
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: outdoor activity. Good for them, all right. That brings us
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: to the end of the show, Phil. Let's get some
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: final feedback from the chat.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: People who devour all of our content on the YouTube
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: probably know this, But Tim Allen asks, what does Max
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: do it?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: Meat eater? Max?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Well, Tim, I run around chasing people with cameras. Yes, so,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: videographer photography.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: And you do a little waterfowl hunting content.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, do a little duck hunting on the side when
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not working. But yeah, this is only my second
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: time on radio live.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: Right on on on that does anyone here? Is anyone
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: here an upland person?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: Max?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sort of, I mean cal would be better.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we had we had a pheasant question. I'm just
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: not even gonna bring it. Yeah, then will I know?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: Randall and Spencer are not my advice.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Is if you shoot a pheasant with Cal, you give
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: it to Cal and you have Cal cook dinner for Okay,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: it works every time. Never been disappointed.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: What is the pheasant question?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: Oh, just just the meal, meal prep.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he respond he made a lovely pu a pheasant.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: He made a pheasant fa last year with some birds
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: we shot, and it's delightful. Sounds great.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: H let's see I think a Leland question. Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: Leland says I just learned Randall was a fellow Eagle scout,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: makes me even more of a random all. How many
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: eagles are there in the meat eater crew?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Probably one.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: I was a cub Scout scout. That's about it.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Didn't even make it.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's just rand.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: A lot of Janis was in Loftfian Scouts, Scouts some
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: sort of fraternal organization.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: Red Duval says, we should do a sasquatch calling at
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: on the live tour, so put that together.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last live tour it was a burd owl calling contests.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: The problem is Steve will be there so it will
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: not happen.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we actually had another person say to Steve, know
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: what you're talking to Bigfoot people on the podcast today.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: I also think he still does not know we played
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: d n deal on his podcast.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Can't wait till he finds out a few months from now, but.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: This is a question from Nate. If hunting and fishing
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: was banned tomorrow, what would keep you outside? I think
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 7: we know that the answer from Spencer.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Looking at the ground for rocks and mushrooms. Yeah, that's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: that's what I would do. How about you boys?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Walking my dog?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Oh dogs is a good one.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Dogs got me to the river yesterday. I like just
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: seeing animals and I like just being outside. Yeah, Like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: it would be great this weekend to be outside at sunrise.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: There you go, That's like, that's enough for me.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I spent some time on the coast this summer in
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  Speaker 2: southern Oregon in northern California, and I started doing tide
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  Speaker 2: pooling where I'd get up right at sunrise and go
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  Speaker 2: out when the tides are very low. And I had
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  Speaker 2: so much fun doing that. I had it all to myself,
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  Speaker 2: and I also liked that it felt like I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: consuming anything. I didn't like walk away from that with
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  Speaker 2: a bag full of rocks or mushrooms or sheds or meat,
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of realized that it was one of
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  Speaker 2: the few things I do outside where I'm not consuming something,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm still thrilled to do it. It was it
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  Speaker 2: was so much fun. I wish I'd lived closer to
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  Speaker 2: a place where I could go tide pooling. I fail
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  Speaker 2: anything else.
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  Speaker 7: Noah says, if someone were to harvest a bigfoot, how
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  Speaker 7: would a typical state wildlife management agency treat that harvest?
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  Speaker 7: An illegal harvest right? He also says he doesn't have
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  Speaker 7: to say how hypothetical he's.
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  Speaker 2: Some states I believe have outlawed it. Where our last
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  Speaker 2: two guests came from Whitehall, New York, they have a
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  Speaker 2: bigfoot sanctuary where they have made it illegal to kill
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  Speaker 2: a bigfoot within city limits. So some states have outlawed
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  Speaker 2: straight up killing a bigfoot Oklahoma, it's on one side
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  Speaker 2: of it. Either they've outlauded or they maybe they offer
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  Speaker 2: a take.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I just someone I read someone's comment, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: said that, so.
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  Speaker 3: And I if you see a big foot in the
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  Speaker 3: wild and you shoot it, you're killing a man in
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  Speaker 3: a big foot suit.
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  Speaker 2: You're probably going to So I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Just it's not it's not a wildlife management issue. You're
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  Speaker 3: talking about homicide.
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  Speaker 7: If they have a legal bigfoot season and someone shoots
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  Speaker 7: a man in a big foot suit, they.
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  Speaker 6: Go to prison.
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  Speaker 3: If I go out in my don't think they'd be
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  Speaker 3: going to prison. If I go out in my black
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  Speaker 3: bear costume. No one's going to say it's a good
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  Speaker 3: idea during spring bear season. But if somebody takes a poke,
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  Speaker 3: they're probably going to the match.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, can we hear the
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  Speaker 2: bigfoot call that our guest Paul was referencing. This is
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  Speaker 2: the official sound of the bigfoot a m.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of background noise, but there is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of background noise that's just nature.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, now we know we know what to listen for.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us this week on me Eater Radio.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see you guys here next week, same time and
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  Speaker 2: place by now. Thanks gang Bie