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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  I'm Booker Scott.
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  Thank you so much for joining us tonight and every night.
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  If you found us on a podcast later, thank you for making that extra effort.
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  I appreciate it.
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  Coming to the program now as a guy who has been here before, and I had to look this up.
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  It's been a couple of years ago.
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  It was when Ross Albrecht was trying to get out of jail.
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  Donald Trump came into office and he made that happen at the time.
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  Jordan Page was working in that effort.
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  He's been working on an effort in America for over 20 years now.
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  His music really had a theme against what was going on in the Middle East when he first started, but that's evolved as well.
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  It gets into our own liberties.
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  And as a result of that, he in some ways has attached himself or they have attached their self to him, the Libertarian Party.
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  He's been a big part of that through the years.
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  His name is Jordan Page.
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  Jordan, welcome back to the program.
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  I can't believe it's been a couple of years.
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  Thanks for having me back, Booker.
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  This is great.
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  Great to hear you again.
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  Well, you are working on something that we want to talk about.
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  And that is a movie.
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  And I don't know much about it, which is why we're here and uh to talk about it.
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  It is a movie that is made with artificial intelligence, which is something I'm uh very curious about.
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  And uh actually wrote a book on artificial intelligence last year.
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  So let's start there.
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  What was your motivation for doing this?
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  How did it come about?
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  And what is it all about?
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  Sure.
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  Well, I guess the genesis of this is gonna be uh homeschooling.
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  Okay.
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  So my wife and I, you know, have seven kids, and we've been homeschooling them for about 14 years.
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  And in 2020, she went back to get her master's in teaching.
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  And during that time, she discovered really what they're teaching teachers through the through these education systems.
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  And it's really, really insidious.
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  Like that we we saw the agenda at work in the textbooks, um, and and just the the blatant indoctrination and just leftist wokism from from you know the the training programs for for young teachers.
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  And my wife has been on this journey through you know liberty with me for you know the last 20 years.
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  So she's she's not some 22 year old, you know, just fresh out of out of college, you know, getting your master's degree.
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  Um, but it was it was really sobering um to to see the the the this dark agenda at work, and we were both very convicted in the spirit to do something about it.
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  And so we through a lot of prayer and research, we decided to build a company that would serve the worldwide homeschool movement to facilitate I guess what you would call the streamlining of home education to make it easier for families to um to teach their kids at home because that's a hard job.
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  We've been through it, you know.
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  We we've we've seen every iteration of homeschooling, and it is extremely rewarding.
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  And you know, the the success of our children is is is proof that it was worth doing.
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  Um, but we we wanted to make this you know easier for other families than it was for us.
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  And so we built uh a platform called Firefly Education Network, and that's at Firefly EDU.org.
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  Um, our mobile app is in Apple and Google Play Stores, and you can you can create an account right on our website and get access to all kinds of tools and resources and community um that will that will help you to make it easier for your to educate your kids at home.
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  How is that going for you guys, Jordan?
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  How is that Firefly?
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  It's going well.
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  We we we just launched in January, so we're still building.
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  Um, you know, we we have we have a long way to go, but version one of Firefly is really outstanding.
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  We have we have a an automated course builder so that parents can create curriculum for their own kids based on what what their needs are and what their interests are.
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  We have a translation uh process that will translate course videos from any language into any language while cloning the speaker's voice and dubbing their mouth movements to match the new language.
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  So it's a very realistic presentation of you teaching something in any language.
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  Uh, we have we have a um and an automated assistant uh and a slash tutor.
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  We we have a we have live teleconferencing within the platform so the teachers can teach live classes.
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  We have a a vast uh library of of educational materials, videos, you know, printable downloads, um, and and and so much more.
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  There's a whole community platform, a complete social media platform that's private that we're not selling your data.
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  Uh, it's just for homeschool families to meet each other, which is one of the big things.
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  Uh, we have a whole homeschool command center called Firefly Compass that uh that provides all the all the organizational tools that you could want to keep accurate records and and plan your lessons and plan field trips and we have a Bible app.
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  There's it's it's it's just a wonderful, wonderful platform that is is helping a lot of people, but we're really trying to reach a an even broader audience, and which is why we made the the site uh internationally accessible through uh being able to translate it into any language.
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  There's just a there's a button you click, you can translate it in the entire site into every language you could want.
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  So we're we're really you know going after the entire um worldwide movement, which is exploding in a lot of different places just outside the U.S.
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  Um and to the to that effort about two years ago when we were really we hadn't even launched the platform yet, but we were building it and we were building community around it.
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  We had, you know, I I've been just just full um disclosure.
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  I've been in the blockchain space uh really since 2010, since it first started.
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  I remember when Bitcoin was 33 cents.
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  That's when I was first introduced to Bitcoin.
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  I think you and I had this conversation last time you were on the program because I had the opportunity to buy it at 50, and I didn't.
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  Uh see I know you feel my pain, Booker.
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  Um, back then, you know, I was part of the Ron Paul Liberty movement when Ron Paul was running for president, and I did a lot of a lot of performances to support his uh candidacy for president and like for between 2008 and 2012.
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  And we were really interested in ending the Fed and the End the Fed movement was a very strong uh move move movement nationwide, and we had a lot of support internationally as well.
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  And Bitcoin represented a a real pathway to end actually ending the Fed and and circumventing their their power uh by using a peer-to-peer um currency.
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  And and that was very, very appealing to to me and and all of my all of my peers.
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  And so we were using Bitcoin and you know, try trying to get people to use it.
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  I would consider myself an early adopter.
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  So to that to that effect, you know, fast forward years later, you had the the the the non-fungible token NFT phenomenon that that lasted for a couple of years.
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  Um we were interested in in doing a collection um of artwork, and so I made 3,000, you know, firefly images, really beautiful AI artwork.
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  And I was going to, we were going to release this.
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  We still haven't released it.
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  Well, we were going to release it, and I'm and to that effort, I made six animated shorts, and they were sci-fi fantasy uh sort of style, uh, little animated short films, anywhere between two and 10 minutes long.
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  And they had the N some of the NFTs from the collection were in these animated shorts.
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  And I could just to showcase the beautiful artwork and using them as plot points and and plot devices, and so um and set pieces.
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  So, Jordan, let me interrupt you real quick here.
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  Just so the audience that maybe doesn't know all the terminology that you're using, you're using NFT.
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  Tell everybody what NFT is.
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  Sure.
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  NFT stands for non-fungible token.
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  So fungible means one is like another.
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  Like one dollar is is worth what another dollar is.
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  One Bitcoin is worth what another Bitcoin is worth.
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  That's called fungibility.
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  Non-fungible means it has its own unique intrinsic value that's subjective.
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  And so you would think of uh of a painting as as a non-fungible asset.
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  And we used to see a lot of those.
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  We used to see a lot of those on social media.
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  People were creating their NFTs and selling them also.
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  And so, what is the process for making those shorts?
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  You've got two to six minute shorts.
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  How long a process is that for you and what does it take to make that?
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  You know, back then the tools were uh really a joke compared to what they are now.
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  But back then, you know, it might take me a few days or or a week or two to to depending on the length, and you know, coming up with the stories.
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  Um, and they were all original stories that I that I that I came up with.
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  I I I I would use uh programs like Mid Journey to generate images just based on an idea I might have, and then based on that image that I got, I would create a story around it.
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  And so it really was a was a really fun creative process.
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  You know, when I first got into working with AI image generation, and then I I discovered, you know, uh tools like Runway, ML and Cling and others, and I was starting I was able to take those images and animate them and create a workflow because I've I've been into video editing for many years, and so I already had those skills and and continue to develop them.
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  But then once the once the shorts were done, I brought in a marketing uh guy to who's now become a my my chief marketing officer.
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  Uh he's great.
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  His name's Damien.
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  And Damien suggested to me that I would make I should make a seventh short to tie the six shorts together.
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  And so because he said nobody has anything else like this.
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  No NFT, like NFT collections really need a story.
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  They need lore, they need people to care about the like why this collection.
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  And so I so I so I showed him the shorts, and he says, these are great.
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  You should tie them together with this with a seventh one.
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  And I said, That's a great idea.
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  And so I I came up with a story of a of a man named Atlas, you know, and as a libertarian, of course, I'm you know, people out there would be familiar with the book, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
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  And I I love this idea of this young man named Atlas, and that he would go on a quest.
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  And so in three of the shorts, are are character driven.
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  One of them is a superhero named Lux Ethereum, and he you know, finds the Ethereum diamond in the in the short, and which is this artifact that turns him into a superhero.
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  And of course, it's based on the cryptocurrency and blockchain called Ethereum.
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  And then there is um a medieval knight named Sir Nakamoto from Trent, Sir NFT.
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  And Sir NFT battles the creature from Jekyll Island, which, if you're you know, familiar with the book by G.
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  Edward Griffin, the creature from Jekyll Island is uh a euphemism for the bankers that met on Jekyll Island, uh, who conceived of the Federal Reserve System, which is like this giant octopus that you know pervades all aspects of of society worldwide.
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  It funds every war that we're involved in.
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  It's it's it has created every boom and bust that we've experienced since 1913 when it was instituted.
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  And so it's likened to a giant kraken.
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  And so I I made this this kraken for this knight to fight, and when he defeats him, the creature releases this artifact called the Genesis block, which is a reference to the first Bitcoin that was ever mined.
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  And and so, and so he he's on the quest for the Genesis block.
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  And then the third, the third of those hero-driven stories was the story of Decentrocles and the Solana Stone.
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  And so Decentrocles is an ancient Greek hero, which is a playoff of like Hercules and decentralization, and he has to fight uh uh uh this colossal Titan, and he has to find the Solana Stone in the middle of a labyrinth that you know, which which plays into you know, old like ancient mythology, he has to fight different monsters and whatnot to find the Solana Stone.
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  And so I I took all of that, and then there were three non-character driven stories in in before them.
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  And so, but but they were but they were fun plot points.
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  And I combine them all together.
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  And as I as I did this, I realized this is a much bigger story than I thought it was going to be.
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  And about a month to two months in, you know, I had about you know, 30, 40 minutes of of story, and there was just more story I wanted to tell.
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  And so I kept going.
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  And as it grew and grew and grew, it got more and more elaborate, and the tools got better and the footage got better.
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  So you know, it kept it kept improving, and I ended up remaking this movie at least five or six times as the tools improve because in AI animation progress and in the in like the the technology progress, about about a month is uh is akin to about 10 years in traditional CGI, you know, filmmaking uh developmental progress.
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  And so it keeps getting better and better.
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  And so I've remade this film a number of times to where now it's a thousand times better, literally a thousand times better than when I first began, and it's become this feature-length film that we may honestly break up into a series.
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  We may break it up, but um, depending on what distribution platform we end up working with.
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  If we, you know, if we work with Netflix or Prime or some somebody like that, we will we may end up breaking it up into a series.
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  But Jordan, let me jump in real quick because we have gone here for about 15 minutes.
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  We haven't even mentioned the name of the movie.
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  The name of the movie is the book of Atlas, the book of Atlas is the name of it.
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  And I want to play the first part of your trailer.
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  Uh, you can go and find this trailer on Vimeo.
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  I know it really will bring what Jordan is talking about to life.
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  I'll try to do it some justice here on audio only.
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  Of course, you won't be able to see this, but maybe you can get an idea of what this is all about.
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  This is uh the movie, the Book of Atlas.
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  Bro, are you watching this?
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  A stunning turn of events.
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  Lux Ethereum has just arrived on the pool.
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  Hey man, let me call you back.
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  When I was talking to you earlier on the phone, the book just jumped off the shelf by itself, and I felt this I don't know, pull to pick it up.
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  Okay, it says that these are artifacts from ancient times that hold great power.
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  And there are old illustrations inside of creatures that look just like that thing on the news.
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  There's something else.
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  I've been having these wild dreams that make no sense.
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  And there's an illustration in the book of what I saw last night.
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  That's insane, man.
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  What do you think it means?
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  So there is a little taste of that trailer.
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  Again, go look for it.
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  It's the book of Atlas.
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  Now, Jordan, I interrupted you.
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  Please keep going.
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  Talk about making this and how long it is as a feature film.
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  Sure.
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  Well, right now the the running time is about three hours.
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  And so that I know that is long, but again, as like we're gonna, we're gonna watch the whole film on April 19th.
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  That is when the the online premiere is.
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  And then, you know, as as it grows and we get traction, um, we're probably going to be breaking it up into into an episodes for an for an entire series.
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  Uh, we we have a we have a lot of plans for it.
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  Um, but the the process has been really amazing in terms of discovering all of these different workflows and getting getting to a point where I'm I'm going from generating more cartoonish results to more very realistic results.
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  I mean, uh as time has gone on and these systems have been trained on more and more video, they get more and more realistic.
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  And one thing that I think has been challenging is to make the characters uh seem more human and and and to seem you know relatable.
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  But I think we're we're we've very much gotten there.
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  There's a there's a I agree.
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  There's a phenomenon called uncanny valley.
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  I don't know if you've ever heard of this but uncanny valley is the sense that you're seeing something that doesn't seem quite human.
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  And I think it may be some sort of intrinsic um primal instinct that we have to to like identify something that is that is not human, maybe you know, it's like a something in the supernatural to to discern when something is not not right, and it gives you kind of an uneasy feeling.
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  And I think a lot of people have been flooded with AI slop all over the internet, and it gives them that feeling that uh, you know, I don't I'm not sure like I want to look at that, but that but people who really take the time to learn how to use these tools.
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  I mean, you put this, you put these tools in the hands of a of a creative person, uh, you know, amazing things can happen.
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  And I'm I'm just one of those people, and I had a story to tell.
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  I wanted to tell a story about history that has been forgotten.
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  Um, I wanted to to teach people about you know where all of these systems that control their lives come from.
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  I wanted to make a commentary on society and what's happening in the world, and and and and to be a red pill moment, um at the same time, uh celebrating Bitcoin and crypto culture in general, blockchain culture and the blockchain community worldwide, and and it's it's really a love letter to them because you know, like this this this this community and and and Bitcoin in particular has really changed my life, and I've you know, I've lived on Bitcoin for many, many years.
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  Um it's really been uh been an important factor in in my business and in how you know like how I do things.
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  So uh I really wanted to tell the story of how that all happened and remind people in a time when crypto is really getting kicked in the teeth uh culturally and in the markets.
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  I wanted to remind people why we got into this in the first place.
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  This wasn't about getting rich, it was about subverting an evil centralized system that you know perpetuates wars and tries to control every aspect of our lives.
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  And so this movie is very much a red pill movie uh to that to that degree.
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  Um and you know, just really excited about it.
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  And so if you go to book the book of atlas.com, the book of atlas.com, you can watch this trailer that you were just playing and get a sense of the visuals, get a sense of the story and some of the characters and and just like the scope of it, because it's really Booker.
• 19:17
  I mean, I'm telling you, this is an epic, epic story through time.
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  Uh, you know, it it goes back thousands and thousands of years uh to the to the present.
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  And there's there's an epic final battle.
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  Um, one of the main themes in this is really a big warning against unbridled, unchecked artificial intelligence.
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  Yeah, and what can happen if you all if you give it too much power and you don't put safeguards on and you don't train it in the right way because the main the primary antagonist of the film is a sentient alien AI from another world that destroyed its world, and so and then it escaped here and it wants to do the same thing here.
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  And so the heroes, the crypto avengers, if you will, um, are pitted between.
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  Between it and its army of you know robotic assailants who represent centralized violence and force and government to they're between but pitted between that and the creature from Jekyll Island, which is this gigantic evil kraken that represents the international banking cartels and the and and these crypto avengers are in the in the in the middle of this having to defeat both of these colossal enemies and everything that they represent.
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  And so that is really like I'm using a lot of symbolism.
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  Yeah, you know, through through mythic storytelling to tell a very real story that has been going on and is still going on.
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  Incredible.
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  The name of it is The Book of Atlas.
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  And you know, my book that I released last year is about sentience and artificial intelligence.
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  So I'll have to share some of that with you.
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  The name of it, the book of Atlas.
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  You can go to the book of Atlas.com.
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  The date to remember there is April 19th.
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  That's when it's going to be released online.
• 20:59
  Is that correct, Jordan?
• 21:00
  That's correct.
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  We have actually bypassed so two things here, Booker, to this question.
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  One, we have bypassed the Hollywood machine.
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  And taking advantage of the tools that exist.
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  And I've created a film that would have cost a hundred million dollars to make with with a fraction, a small tiny fraction of that budget.
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  And we've so we've bypassed their permission and their gatekeepers entirely and made a film they probably wouldn't have made.
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  And then we've also bypassed all of the streaming giants, and we've created our own distribution platform that is fully web three compatible and token gated to where we can we can release any any kind of digital or online content through this.
• 21:45
  And with with it with a complete secure payment system, people can pay with fiat, they can pay with US dollars using Square or PayPal or Venmo through the site, but they can also pay with Bitcoin, Ethereum, or Solana.
• 21:58
  And when they do, they're actually going to uh receive, which is and and crypto people will know what I mean when I say mint, they'll mint their own movie ticket as a non-fungible asset as that that exists on the blockchain ledger and will always be theirs as a collectible.
• 22:15
  And so when they they pay with Bitcoin, Ethereum or Solana, they get a non-fungible movie ticket.
• 22:21
  Folks that are paying with USD still get the ticket, it's just not recorded on the blockchain.
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  They still watch it, and it's the same price.
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  So yeah, we're very excited for people to watch this and and to you know dissect it and and and look for all the hidden Easter eggs.
• 22:36
  I mean, if you're a historian or if you care about history, if you're if you're a liberty person, if you're a crypto person, I mean, like there's so many Easter eggs in here.
• 22:45
  Uh, if you're just a person who understands that something's wrong with with the world, you will I think this movie will really resonate with you, and it has some really powerful messages in it that I think the world needs to hear.
• 22:57
  And by the way, I think you just created a sequel, and that would be one of your characters against Hollywood.
• 23:04
  It may take all of them against Hollywood, but maybe you can do that in the future.
• 23:08
  His name is Jordan Page.
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  I know he's also working on new music that has to do with worship and praise, and I would love to hear that when it comes out, Jordan.
• 23:17
  Thank you so much for coming back on the program.
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  I really do appreciate it.
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  The name of the movie again, the book of Atlas.
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  You can go to the book of Atlas.com.
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  Look for it, April 19th.
• 23:26
  Jordan, thank you.
• 23:27
  Thank you, Booker.
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  I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee.
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  I've mentioned that a couple of times.
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  When I was a young child, I was in Nashville and in Brentwood, just south of Nashville.
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  And my dad, for whatever reason, I still to this day don't know, probably will never find out.
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  He's been dead for six years now.
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  So I I won't be able to ask him at this time anyway.
• 26:39
  Maybe one day, maybe, maybe one day.
• 26:41
  But I never found out why exactly he wanted to farm because he is from Chicago.
• 26:46
  He was from Chicago, Illinois, had no experience on a farm, but that's what we did.
• 26:50
  We bought 11 acres, and it was in a bedroom community called Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
• 26:55
  It's about 25 miles southeast on the way to Chattanooga from Nashville.
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  And that's where I finished growing up.
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  Elementary school, middle school, high school, even went to college there.
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  Back then it was a university town, Middle Tennessee State University is there.
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  It was a sleepy little town, really.
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  It was small community.
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  It was a great place to grow up.
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  I loved it.
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  And I still have a lot of friends there.
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  I still follow them on Facebook.
• 27:21
  And I also follow the local radio station.
• 27:23
  And that's where I'm going to go with this segment because of the program that was on Sunday night, they caught my attention.
• 27:30
  Have you heard about uh 287G?
• 27:33
  Do you know what that is?
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  Section 287G of the U.S.
• 27:36
  Immigration and Nationality Act.
• 27:39
  Well, it authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to deputize selected state and local law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law.
• 27:51
  So in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which is Rutherford County, which by the way, it has grown a lot since I grew up there.
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  We moved there in 1976, I believe.
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  And like I said, it was a sleepy little town.
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  A nice little country town is what it was.
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  Now it's huge.
• 28:08
  It is exploded.
• 28:09
  Nashville has exploded, and so has Murfreesboro and Rutherford County.
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  It is now the third largest county in the state of Tennessee.
• 28:17
  You have Memphis, Shelby County, Nashville, Davidson County, they're one and two, and then you have Rutherford County, Murfreesboro is number three, actually larger than Chattanooga and larger than Knoxville, a couple of other big cities there in the state of Tennessee.
• 28:32
  The Rutherford County Sheriff is Mike Fitchyou, and he has said that he would never use his deputies to go after illegal immigrants.
• 28:40
  That's what he said.
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  But then there was a little change in the last couple of weeks there in Rutherford County in Murfreesboro with this section to 87G.
• 28:49
  Sheriff Fitchyou has agreed to this 287 G, which would allow when they arrest an illegal immigrant and there is a detainer for them by ice that they will hold the illegal immigrant.
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  To me, it's a no-brainer.
• 29:05
  It's makes perfect sense.
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  Why would you not be for that?
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  If this were a regular criminal, let's say that it was someone that had committed murder in Montana.
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  Would Sheriff Fitch you and his deputies not hold that person for extradition to Montana?
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  Of course they would.
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  So if you have an illegal immigrant that is a criminal, which at this point, that's really all Donald Trump and the DHS and ICE are rounding up.
• 29:33
  They're not rounding up children in schools.
• 29:35
  That's not what they're doing.
• 29:37
  They're not rounding up just illegal immigrants at this point.
• 29:41
  They're rounding up the criminals, the ones that have murdered, the ones that have raped.
• 29:46
  That's who they're trying to get off the street.
• 29:48
  For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want that.
• 29:52
  Just because they're illegal immigrants, for some reason they want to give these people a pass.
• 29:57
  That's what the left is saying.
• 29:59
  And when I
• 30:00
  Went to Facebook and I came across this story.
• 30:02
  It was a live radio program in my former hometown of Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
• 30:08
  And Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Rutherford County voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
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  It was 6040, 60% Donald Trump, 40% for Kamala Harris.
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  Close to it.
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  It was a blowout.
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  There's no doubt that Rutherford County, Tennessee, is a red county.
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  It is also Donald Trump County.
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  It is a MAGA county.
• 30:31
  That's really what it is.
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  So when I came across this story and this show, I was shocked at what I heard.
• 30:39
  I'm going to play some of this for you because I think it's important for us to understand the other perspective and what the other side is saying.
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  Because what they are saying is nothing like I'm saying.
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  I say this all the time about illegal immigrants.
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  It's time for them to go.
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  We need to get these criminals out of here.
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  And it needs to be done now.
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  So when people start talking the way these guys did, and what really what they're doing is calling Sheriff Fitzhew onto the carpet for making an agreement with the Homeland Security in this 287 G.
• 31:13
  They don't want their deputies to hold criminal illegal aliens in their jail.
• 31:19
  But I was shocked at what I heard on this local small radio station in Murfreesboro, Tennessee from Ed Raymer is the guy's name who does the show on Sunday night.
• 31:31
  Along with him was the Democrat National Committee chairman for Rutherford County.
• 31:36
  His name is Matt Fee.
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  And here he is talking about what happened two weeks ago when Fitchw said, We're not going to do this.
• 31:45
  We're not going to have our deputies going after illegal immigrants.
• 31:49
  And then the activism that they created to get people to show up to a council meeting, county government meeting, to try to make their voices heard so that the sheriff would not do this agreement.
• 32:03
  Here is the DNC chairman in the county of Rutherford County, Tennessee.
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  His name is Matt Fee.
• 32:09
  I think I noticed a social media post from someone that said, hey, Rutherford County is now pending a 287 G agreement with ICE.
• 32:19
  Right.
• 32:19
  Um so just so everybody knows a 287 G is basically like uh it it gives local police uh ability to do uh work for ICE in, you know, either as themselves or in the jail or whatever.
• 32:38
  Um, so having noticed that, you know, that was the first time it had come up.
• 32:44
  I don't know how long it had been pending, but basically you go to ICE's website and you can see all of the you know law enforcement agencies that are pending any kind of agreement with ICE or all the ones that are actually active.
• 32:57
  And it was nose.
• 32:58
  Excuse me.
• 32:59
  You know, Rutherford County is now showing pending for a warrant service officer.
• 33:03
  Okay.
• 33:04
  Um so I mentioned, hey, you know, if you want to say something about it, there's a public safety meeting coming up on Monday.
• 33:12
  You know, let's go there and say you want to talk about the sheriff's report.
• 33:16
  Sure.
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  And so that's how we got there.
• 33:19
  Um there was multiple groups involved, um, especially uh remix remix TN, they're like an immigrant um you know, the advocacy.
• 33:30
  Um, and they did a lot of work with coordinating and getting people to sign up for public comment at that meeting.
• 33:37
  So they go to the public meeting and they make comments.
• 33:40
  Everybody that spoke was against this two eighty-seven G.
• 33:44
  If you go to ICE.gov slash identify and arrest, if you go to that website, you will see every state and county and city that is involved with ICE and the 287G agreement.
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  I can tell you this.
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  I'm looking at the map now.
• 34:03
  California, Oregon, Washington, and Illinois, those are four states that have no agreement with ICE.
• 34:12
  That is not surprising.
• 34:13
  You also have a little bit of Delaware, a little bit of Vermont, the entire state of Connecticut, the entire state of New Jersey, all of those states have no agreement with ICE, which means these illegal immigrants that are committing crimes and have committed crimes where they came from, are running free in these states, and these states are doing nothing to help Donald Trump and ICE get these people out of here.
• 34:38
  But I want to go back to the radio show on 1450 WGNS in Murfreesboro.
• 34:43
  Listen to the comments now from Ed Raymer as they continue the conversation.
• 34:49
  Here's here's the rub.
• 34:51
  At the public safety meeting, as we mentioned, everyone, though those that spoke all against this now.
• 34:57
  What we're talking about with ICE, we're talking about the guys that are coming in with the mask, and they don't have to have they don't have to have a reason to my knowledge.
• 35:05
  They can come in and just pick you up and take you off and I guess do what they want.
• 35:11
  Okay, that's a lie.
• 35:12
  That's not true, and I don't even know why Ed Raymer on this radio show is saying that.
• 35:17
  He doesn't know what he's talking about, and he probably shouldn't be talking about it.
• 35:21
  Both of these guys are leftists, they're Democrats, again, in a city and a county that was heavily favoring Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
• 35:31
  The things that he says are important to understand from the perspective of the left and what they are saying against Donald Trump and the things that his administration is doing.
• 35:42
  You hear him say that these ICE people are wearing the masks.
• 35:46
  You know, it's obvious that they watch MSNBC because that's the narrative that they are teaching people over there.
• 35:53
  Well, they're wearing masks.
• 35:54
  I've covered it on this show before, so that they are not killed.
• 35:58
  It's for their protection, is what it's for.
• 36:01
  Let's go back to Ed Raymer.
• 36:02
  He is the host of the show.
• 36:04
  Let's let him run his mouth a little bit more.
• 36:06
  Trump is giving them where to do this.
• 36:09
  Somebody they're gonna fool around, someone's gonna get hurt.
• 36:11
  Yeah.
• 36:12
  Um basically we don't know who these people are.
• 36:17
  Right.
• 36:18
  We're to my knowledge, they're a bunch of thugs.
• 36:20
  He's talking about ice there.
• 36:22
  We don't know who these people are.
• 36:24
  Well, let me tell you who they are, Ed Raymer and WGNS.
• 36:29
  They are federal law enforcement officers.
• 36:33
  They have gone through training, they have gone through background checks, they are wearing masks so that other people don't try to hurt them because leftist liberal, stupid Democrats in some of these cities have tried to hurt them.
• 36:46
  They have doxxed them.
• 36:48
  Politicians have doxxed them.
• 36:50
  So why wouldn't they wear a mask?
• 36:52
  They are not thugs, they are federal law enforcement officials, and what you're talking about, Ed Raymer and WGNS is dangerous.
• 37:02
  You are dangerous, not Donald Trump and not ICE.
• 37:06
  So here so here's the thing, right?
• 37:07
  And we were talking about this a little bit earlier, um, before we came on the air.
• 37:12
  And listen how much Matt Fee uses the word right.
• 37:16
  I talked about it last week about a linguistic tie-down.
• 37:19
  When someone isn't confident in what they're saying, or they're trying to sell you something, they will use right in a rhetorical way.
• 37:27
  This guy has a real problem with it.
• 37:29
  He can't say two sentences without saying right, which is a tie-down to further the conversation on something that you don't know what you're really talking about, and you're just trying to sell something to someone.
• 37:40
  Here he goes.
• 37:41
  The agreement that was pending at the time was for a warrant service officer.
• 37:48
  To my knowledge, what that means is that if someone is brought into the Rutherford County jail, and ICE has a civil warrant against that person, then Rutherford County Sheriff's deputies can serve that warrant on that person in the jail.
• 38:04
  Right.
• 38:05
  Whereas before ICE would have to come and do that themselves.
• 38:08
  Okay.
• 38:09
  Okay.
• 38:09
  So even though it may be let's call it the least of the bad options in these two eighty-seven G agreements with ICE.
• 38:18
  To me, the fact of the matter is that Rutherford County is entering into an agreement with ICE.
• 38:24
  I don't care what model it is.
• 38:27
  I don't care that you're, you know, whether it's the one that sends deputies out into the community to do, you know, task force work.
• 38:35
  Right.
• 38:36
  I don't want that one.
• 38:37
  I don't want them doing anything on ICE behalf.
• 38:39
  Why not?
• 38:40
  Why wouldn't you?
• 38:41
  Because these are criminals that Donald Trump and ICE are getting out of this country.
• 38:46
  They are bad people.
• 38:47
  These are people that murdered Lake and Riley, Nungaree.
• 38:50
  And I could go on, list the names over and over.
• 38:54
  It happened for years.
• 38:55
  It's still happening every day.
• 38:57
  Why wouldn't you want these people out of your country?
• 38:59
  Do you want them to live next door to you, Matt Fee, Ed Raymer on WGNS radio?
• 39:05
  You want these people for your neighbors that committed rapes, they molested children, murderers.
• 39:12
  You don't know who they are.
• 39:14
  Joe Biden never knew who they were.
• 39:16
  None of these people were vetted.
• 39:18
  So now ICE is making agreement with uh a town like Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Rutherford County, Tennessee.
• 39:25
  And the sheriff there, Mike Fitch you.
• 39:27
  I actually went to high school and middle school with both of his daughters.
• 39:31
  They don't want to make an agreement there in Rutherford County that the jail will just hold these bad guys that ICE has a detainer on.
• 39:39
  They would rather have them released onto their streets.
• 39:42
  And these people think they make any sense.
• 39:45
  They think Donald Trump is the bad guy, that ICE is the bad guy.
• 39:50
  I want you to understand this perspective because this perspective is out there all over the country.
• 39:56
  If it's there in a place like Murfreesboro, Tennessee, it's every
• 40:00
  Everywhere.
• 40:01
  Let's go on with it.
• 40:02
  Because it's just like what you said.
• 40:03
  You know, we we see these videos and reports every single day right now, where ice is just disappearing people off the street for almost no reason whatsoever, except for the fact that they have skin.
• 40:18
  Yeah, that their color of their skin.
• 40:20
  A couple of things here.
• 40:21
  I don't recall seeing videos of ice disappearing just anybody off the street.
• 40:27
  And it's not because the color of their skin either.
• 40:30
  It's because the crimes that they have committed.
• 40:33
  They are criminals.
• 40:34
  I'll say it again, they are criminals.
• 40:36
  And these people, Ed Raymer and Matt Fee, they are lost.
• 40:41
  They have no idea what they're talking about.
• 40:44
  Doesn't look like they should be here.
• 40:45
  Right, right.
• 40:46
  Or not that they shouldn't be here, but that you know, they're not.
• 40:49
  No, they don't think they should be here.
• 40:51
  They just assume I'm called what they just assume that they're, you know, undocumented.
• 40:56
  And ladies and gentlemen, I want to say this.
• 40:58
  I I don't want to put any words in the chairman of Democrat Party's mouth.
• 41:03
  I don't mean to do that.
• 41:04
  But I'm telling you, this bunch is dangerous.
• 41:07
  This bunch.
• 41:08
  He's talking about you.
• 41:10
  He's talking about Donald Trump.
• 41:12
  He's talking about IC.
• 41:13
  He's talking about everybody that would have illegal immigrants taken out of this country.
• 41:20
  That's who they're talking about.
• 41:22
  In a small town, well, it's grown.
• 41:25
  It's bigger than it used to be, but it's still a good old boy network in a small place like Murfreesboro, Tennessee, that voted for Donald Trump sixty percent compared to 40%.
• 41:37
  This is the narrative that is being fed to that community there on a local radio station.
• 41:43
  It's amazing to me.
• 41:45
  Someone is going to get hurt.
• 41:47
  Someone's going to get killed.
• 41:50
  Now I know you say, oh, well, that's Murph Burk Tennessee.
• 41:53
  That couldn't let me tell you something.
• 41:55
  They didn't think it would happen in Washington, D.C.
• 41:58
  either, but it's happening.
• 41:59
  Yeah.
• 42:00
  They didn't think it would happen in Washington, D.C., but it is happening.
• 42:03
  What is he talking about?
• 42:05
  Well, he's talking about the National Guard coming into Washington, D.C.
• 42:10
  You see, from the left and their perspective, this is tyranny.
• 42:15
  They believe that Donald Trump is a dictator.
• 42:19
  That's what they think about Orange Man.
• 42:21
  And you hear it here in these voices of Ed Raymer and Matt Fee on WGNS radio.
• 42:29
  That's what they believe.
• 42:30
  That is the narrative.
• 42:32
  That is the information that they are putting out.
• 42:34
  They are putting out propaganda.
• 42:36
  This is not truth.
• 42:38
  This is propaganda.
• 42:40
  And now there's talk of Chicago.
• 42:42
  Yeah.
• 42:42
  And now major cities, and I've been watching the news this weekend.
• 42:46
  And I know, I know, okay, the cable news things.
• 42:48
  I know they need something to keep them on the air.
• 42:50
  But many of the states are not now they're looking at redistricting because of the very problems we're talking about right now.
• 42:57
  So he thinks that the left states like California are talking about redistricting, and there's nothing to redistrict in California and Illinois.
• 43:07
  They have gerrymandered those states so badly that conservatives have absolutely no voice in Congress when it comes to those states because they have already gerrymandered all they can.
• 43:19
  The left is talking about redistricting in those states as a response to what Texas is doing.
• 43:26
  It has nothing to do with what Ed Raymond thinks it has to do with.
• 43:30
  I mean, they don't want to hear from the other side, right?
• 43:33
  Oh no.
• 43:33
  Redistricting is here in this county don't want to hear from us.
• 43:37
  They know that people are upset with the way that things are going, right?
• 43:44
  The economy, right?
• 43:45
  Your prices are going up.
• 43:47
  Where are prices going up?
• 43:49
  Where are they going up?
• 43:51
  Gas prices are down.
• 43:52
  I saw that it's down to 275 now.
• 43:56
  Eggs, they're down to a dollar ninety-five a dozen.
• 43:59
  Where are the prices going up?
• 44:01
  They get on the radio and they lie.
• 44:03
  That's what they're doing.
• 44:05
  But I think it's interesting perspective anyway, and I wanted to bring that to you.
• 44:09
  I was really shocked when I heard it.
• 44:11
  It was just by a chance that I happened to be on Facebook going through quickly, as I do sometimes, and I came across that and I wonder what they were talking about.
• 44:20
  And I found out, and I wanted to bring that to you so that you would have an idea that even in small places, in places that heavily supported Donald Trump, this is what is being said by the left and the Democrats.
• 44:35
  2026 is coming up on us.
• 44:38
  It'll be here faster than you can imagine for that midterm.
• 44:42
  And I really do worry about those 25, 30 seats in the middle because of this type of narrative.
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• 46:48
  I guess most of us remember the FISA court, the Fisk, the FISA court, the 702.
• 46:54
  Everybody was talking about that for a while, and what all of that was and what it allowed our government to do, which ultimately was to spy on a presidential campaign and that of Donald Trump, going back to 2016.
• 47:07
  And you have to tie in the Russian hoax that we are now seeing that was a hoax, and we always knew that.
• 47:14
  Because we relied on reporting from uh people like John Solomon and Sarah Carter, Catherine Heridge at the time of Fox and went to CBS and now is independent, Laura Logan.
• 47:26
  Those were the people that we depended on to get our information from.
• 47:30
  We assumed and we believed our discernment, our wisdom said that they were right.
• 47:35
  And were they right?
• 47:36
  Well, as it turns out, when it comes to the FISA abuse, there were investigations afterwards in the House of Representatives.
• 47:43
  There were also investigations by the inspector general of the Department of Justice.
• 47:48
  And they came to the same conclusion that there was abuses in the FISA court and with the 702.
• 47:55
  I would point out that it was actually Article One, not Section 702 that allowed uh the FISA court and the FBI to spy on Carter Page.
• 48:05
  You remember that name?
• 48:07
  You have to go back in history.
• 48:08
  This is a long time ago now, as we start connecting these dots with what John Solomon said in a podcast.
• 48:16
  And when I heard this, I literally just about uh fell off the couch in hearing how his journey started, because it was John Solomon that went on Sean Hannity back in 2001, I guess.
• 48:31
  And he did a story on the abuse of the 702.
• 48:35
  And when he got home that night from wherever he was at work or whatever, at 1045 at night, he was met by a couple of government agents.
• 48:44
  And that's the story that I'm gonna get to.
• 48:46
  But to get there, I think we need to set everything up, and we have to remember the Russian hoax and the fact that it was paid for by the DNC, Hillary Clinton, and even to a greater extent.
• 48:58
  It was someone in the Clinton circle, Charles Dolan, a longtime attorney for the Clintons, who hired Igor Danchenko to create that pea story.
• 49:09
  You remember the story of Donald Trump peeing on a prostitute that was completely made up by Igor Danchenko, who was later uh arrested by the Durham investigation.
• 49:20
  He was acquitted, but he was only arrested for lying because opposition research isn't a lie, but he lied to investigators, is what the accusation was.
• 49:29
  But the court found him innocent.
• 49:31
  They acquitted him of those charges.
• 49:33
  There was also Kevin Kleinsmith, the FBI attorney, that uh he also lied, and he did.
• 49:40
  He did plead guilty to that.
• 49:43
  And he he didn't go to prison, but he was put on probation.
• 49:47
  So there were a couple of arrests that came out of that and what was the Russian hoax.
• 49:53
  But how did we find out about it?
• 49:55
  Well, we found out about it through John Solomon and Sarah Carter, uh, mainly.
• 50:00
  They were on Fox News almost daily.
• 50:03
  I always wondered how they got their information because to me, because I believed in what they were reporting, that their information was good.
• 50:11
  And it was coming from great sources, and they really had some good sources somewhere, something somewhere they had some good sources.
• 50:19
  And now, as Donald Trump comes into office, and we are seeing that the Russian hoax was a complete lie.
• 50:27
  Where it started, who knows?
• 50:29
  It appears that it started with Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Clapper, Comey, that possibly this was a whole color revolution.
• 50:38
  You know, to overthrow a government.
• 50:41
  Is that what this is?
• 50:43
  Was it the CIA that was involved with it?
• 50:46
  You know, there's so many different ways we can go about uh when we consider this.
• 50:50
  And then you also have to consider okay, did John Solomon actually have good information?
• 50:56
  Were we part of a psyop?
• 50:58
  Does everything that I believe is it true or not?
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  That's sort of the question, isn't it?
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  We believe what we want to believe.
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  Was I fooled?
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  Did I believe John Solomon and Sarah Carter because I wanted to believe them?
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  It's interesting.
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  Let's first go to uh John Solomon here.
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  Let's listen to this audio.
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  This is the audio that blew me away in his experience in what happened to him on the night that he first started talking about the 702 FISA abuse.
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  And we're going to get into that in just a minute, but I want to get into what the FISA court is in the Section 702, just to refresh your memory as we set all of this up.
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  Uh foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is FISA, and it was enacted in 2008 as part of a FISA Amendment Act.
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  This is the Section 702.
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  It authorizes the U.S.
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  government to conduct warrantless surveillance of non-citizens located outside the United States for foreign intelligence purposes.
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  Now, this would be for things like terrorism, so that we can prevent another 9 11 from happening.
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  It allows agencies like the National Security Agency to target foreigners abroad and collect their communications, such as emails, phone calls, text messages, often by compelling U.S.
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  based tech companies to provide the data.
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  So that's where some of the abuse can come in.
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  That's the slippery slope.
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  And as you remember, the 702 was up for debate and whether they were going to continue it in Congress or not.
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  They ended up passing it.
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  I had Jason Fick on this program who was suing the government and taking it all the way to the Supreme Court over Section 702.
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  Now the claim that Section 02 was abused to spy on Trump campaign primarily stems from broader concerns about the FISA misuse.
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  Though the specific surveillance of the Trump campaign involved a different part of FISA, and that is Title I, not Section 702.
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  Former President Donald Trump and his supporters have alleged that FISA was used to illegally spy on his 2016 presidential campaign, particularly citing their surveillance of campaign aid Carter Page.
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  So let's go back to Carter Page real quick.
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  The FBI obtained a FISA warrant under Title I to surveil Carter Page, who was working in the Trump campaign back in 2016, based on suspicions of his ties to Russian operatives.
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  So they then, Comey and the FBI who went and lied before the FISA court, uh, along with Kevin Kleinsmith, he was one that made a change in one of those FISA applications.
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  They were saying that he was tied to Russia.
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  So they were tying Russia in way back then in the campaign in 2016.
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  Remember the Alpha Bank story that was at Trump Tower?
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  That's a part of this too.
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  Alpha Bank, a Russian bank that had nothing to do with Donald Trump, but they used that to get into Trump Tower to also spy on the Trump campaign.
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  So when Donald Trump would say they're wiring Trump Tower, they they were wiring Trump Tower.
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  The fact is our government spied on Americans, and our government also abused their power in spying on an opposition political party and campaign and candidate, and that was Donald Trump.
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  And that's what Donald Trump said from the beginning.
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  And who was out front pushing the stories?
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  Was John Solomon, Sarah Carter.
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  They were instrumental in it.
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  Real quick, if bad guys wanted to get rid of the evidence, would they have not burned the burned bags?
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  Why were the burn bags left?
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  It's a question I asked last month on this program.
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  Why did they leave the burn bags if they intended to destroy the evidence?
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  Or was it the good guys, the white hats leaving information for it to be found by the Trump administration?
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  Uh, Mr.
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  President, I will be the first to brief you uh once we have that information collected, but you're right, it's it's we are finding documents literally tucked away in the back of safes and random offices in these bags and in other areas, which again speaks to the intent of those who are trying to hide the truth from the American people and trying to cover up the politicization that was led by people like John Brennan and James Clapper and others that have caused really immeasurable harm to the American people and to our country.
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  Thank you.
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  We look forward to hearing it.
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  And we look forward to hearing it also.
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  Real quick before we go to the break.
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  702 has done some really good things.
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  It's not just bad.
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  It was used by bad people and abused, but it has found terrorists through the years.
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  And I think the country needs something like this.
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  It just doesn't need bad people abusing it.
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  What it does need are good, honorable people, women and men in the government who happen to realize that what they are doing is trying to overthrow a presidency, an election, and then create an insurrection.
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  We need those people in our government, and it appears that we have them, and it appears that our wisdom, our discernment was right in following John Solomon and Sarah Carter in what they brought to us as the truth.
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  There is only one truth.
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  You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.