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Patriots Catch-22 8/20: Vikings Week Recap, 53-Man Roster Projection, Preseason Finale Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre and Lazar.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it joined us Always buy ours Barak.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.
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  Speaker 2: The island is expanding for Afton Chisholm.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, why is it an island for Afton Chism. That
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  Speaker 1: is a quarterback thing. That is a quarterback thing.
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  Speaker 3: Afton Chisholm.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless you want to get mad, I'm calling it an island.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not deserved. I just think it's
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  Speaker 1: over analogy.
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  Speaker 3: The island is expanding.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not an island. He's not a It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: People are building houses, they're buying land, and then they're
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  Speaker 2: building houses. So if you want some land on Afton
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  Speaker 2: chishom Island, als, you better start to purchase right now
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  Speaker 2: because it's getting a little crowded over there.
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  Speaker 3: That was before the eton Chism moment even happened.
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  Speaker 1: I stand by my need. A better term for that
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  Speaker 1: now is making the football.
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  Speaker 3: You put it. You have an island, and there's real
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  Speaker 3: estate available on the island like in the old days,
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  Speaker 3: like before Martha's vineyard in Nantucket got all populated. There
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  Speaker 3: was open grass and open dirt for people to build
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  Speaker 3: houses on efton Chishm Island. Now bumping. This is we
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  Speaker 3: got multiple.
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  Speaker 1: Train you could have first class tickets on the train.
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  Speaker 1: About that. Nowfton Chisham City you can still do real
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  Speaker 1: estate and city not island. It doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: It makes more sense. And that was the last Thursday
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  Speaker 3: show Alex before the preseason game even happened. That was
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  Speaker 3: just based off of practice. So now this efton Chishm Island.
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  Speaker 3: This the island is bumping. Now we got we got restaurants,
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  Speaker 3: we got bars, we got we got beaches where we're
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  Speaker 3: full on. You know, Martha's Vandernard Nantucket. Eft in Chishm Island.
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  Speaker 3: That that's our chappie, you know is in there.
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  Speaker 1: The Patriots play the Raiders week one. Their best receivers
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  Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers, right, yes, could me and Jacoby Myers both
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  Speaker 1: be on Christian Gonzales Island then in week one technically
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  Speaker 1: because if Christian Zalaz shuts him down, we're gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: about him being on Gonzales Island saying this is what Also,
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  Speaker 1: I am a fan of Christian Zales, So I like,
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  Speaker 1: do you understand that's you.
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  Speaker 3: Understand why it doesn't work. I understand, but it's different.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Okay, in this scenario, it's a different past.
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  Speaker 3: It's a different context of using this term.
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  Speaker 1: When there's a stut. When there's like a UDFA corner,
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  Speaker 1: late round traffic corner and a year or two in
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  Speaker 1: camp that absolutely pops, you're gonna need a new term.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying start now. So it's all standard.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, we're gonna get to et Chisholm, not that we
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  Speaker 3: didn't just talk about him just now, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: do three up, three down from the preseason game against
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  Speaker 3: the Vikings, a little bit of a regular season mode,
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  Speaker 3: if you will. In terms of the show format today,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna go back and we're going to recap the
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  Speaker 3: week that was, talk a little bit of Drake May
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  Speaker 3: three Up, three down, and then we're also going to
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  Speaker 3: preview the Giants game, but mostly talk within the prism
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  Speaker 3: of the Giants game, of the roster cut down days
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  Speaker 3: now six days away or less than a week away
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  Speaker 3: from roster cuts. So bubble players, Alex, you published something
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  Speaker 3: about bubble players the other day, we're gonna talk about that,
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  Speaker 3: and I know, I know that we're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: a lot about the trade market because it's the NFL
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  Speaker 3: hot stove, if you will, is maybe a little hotter
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  Speaker 3: this year, at this time of year than I remember
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  Speaker 3: it being in the past. Like there's some big names
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  Speaker 3: that are floating around there, like Trey Hendrickson and Terry
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  Speaker 3: McLaurin and Micah Parsons, but even some little names, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not little is the wrong word, smaller names like we
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  Speaker 3: have locally here that are starting to make waves and
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  Speaker 3: rumors and all that. So we're gonna get to all that,
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  Speaker 3: but I want to open the show with a look
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  Speaker 3: back at this past week and specifically discuss some of
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  Speaker 3: the things with Drake May, because whether it's here, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's your station, whether it's just the ether narrative out
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  Speaker 3: there right now, I do think we're we're getting a
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  Speaker 3: little ahead of ourselves with some of the commentary on
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  Speaker 3: Drake May in terms of where he's at right now.
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  Speaker 3: And this isn't to make excuses, this isn't to you know,
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  Speaker 3: apologize for him or anything like that. We're gonna we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna talk critically, We're gonna evaluate his performance critically here
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  Speaker 3: in a minute. But I just want to put some
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  Speaker 3: things about where Drake May is in perspective for everybody,
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  Speaker 3: because I feel like we're getting a little bit ahead
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  Speaker 3: of ourselves with some of these things. This is a
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  Speaker 3: twenty two year old kid that's made twelve NFL starts,
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  Speaker 3: that's going into his second year. Just in terms of
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  Speaker 3: of NFL years, I just want to rattle off a
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  Speaker 3: few things. But most of these guys that I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to bring up were still in college at this point
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  Speaker 3: right when Drake May is in terms of years on
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  Speaker 3: this planet, right, But in terms of NFL years, you
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  Speaker 3: have Patrick Mahomes started one game his rookie season. It
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  Speaker 3: was a Week seventeen game where they benched out or
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  Speaker 3: they rested Alex Smith, I should say not benched, rested
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  Speaker 3: Alex Smith and gave Mahomes the game. Because they the
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs that were already in the playoffs, they had nothing
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  Speaker 3: to play for meaningless Week seventeen game. They gave the
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  Speaker 3: kid the start. So Patrick Mahomes at this point in
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  Speaker 3: his career had one NFL start under his belt. At
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  Speaker 3: this point in his career, Josh Allen was coming off
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  Speaker 3: a season where he completed fifty two percent of his
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  Speaker 3: passes and threw more interceptions and touchdowns. At this point
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  Speaker 3: in his career, Joe Burrow tore his ACL his rookie
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  Speaker 3: season and had not a very good year in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 3: Tour's ACL was coming back off the ACL. Lamar Jackson
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  Speaker 3: his rookie year, only started half the season in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 3: won some games, made the playoffs, but there were a
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  Speaker 3: lot of questions. We talked about it at the time,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of questions about him as.
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  Speaker 1: A passer, A far cry from the Lamar Jacks.
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  Speaker 3: He was at that point was like a running quarterback
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  Speaker 3: right and were so all I'm getting at it just
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  Speaker 3: from a bigger picture since with Drake may Is, I
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  Speaker 3: know we all want the answer, like we all want
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  Speaker 3: to know if he's the guy or not. We all
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  Speaker 3: want to know if he can lead them or not.
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  Speaker 3: But let's just let's just take a pause and just
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  Speaker 3: recognize that as a young kid, he's still developing. Let's
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  Speaker 3: give him time. Let's give Josh McDaniel's time. Let's give
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  Speaker 3: him like Rabel time to work with him, and let's
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  Speaker 3: see where this thing goes. By the year end, of
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  Speaker 3: the year if we still have doubts or we still
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  Speaker 3: have concerns, and that's a different story. But right now,
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  Speaker 3: they haven't played any games yet, and I'm hearing I
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  Speaker 3: haven't heard anybody actually say it, but I hear people
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  Speaker 3: wanting to say the B word, which is bust.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Been We are way way, way too early in this
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  Speaker 3: process to be throwing things around like that. So that's
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  Speaker 3: just my soapbox. I just do. I listen and I read,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not knocking anybody in particular. I just know
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  Speaker 3: that this is all out there that like Drake May,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is he clutch, is he a winning player?
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  Speaker 3: Does he have it? Like all these different types of things,
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  Speaker 3: which are fair questions in the bigger picture. But let's
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  Speaker 3: see it like, let's let's give it a beat, let's
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  Speaker 3: give it a pause, and let's let's get there first
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  Speaker 3: before we start throwing things around. That That is my
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  Speaker 3: defense of Drake May. And then I do want to
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  Speaker 3: break down some of the things that are the goods
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  Speaker 3: and the bad, Like I don't want I'm not shying
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  Speaker 3: away from the bad stuff, but I just think we
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  Speaker 3: have to keep it in perspective.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this is where you see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we when we do the draft you bring out in
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  Speaker 1: the nerd love this. We don't need to make this
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  Speaker 1: analytics thing. But the nerds love the early breakout player. Right,
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  Speaker 1: is the term you use the guy that has more
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  Speaker 1: success at at nineteen twenty twenty one years old as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to the guy that really doesn't start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: becoming a star player in college till twenty one, twenty
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  Speaker 1: two years old, I think, And that's why I don't
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  Speaker 1: disagree on the nerds with that. I just don't think,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I needed math to tell me the
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  Speaker 1: players that are good when they're younger are also going
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  Speaker 1: to be good when they're older. But I think that
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  Speaker 1: the COVID era of college football may have proved a
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  Speaker 1: temporary exception of that, because I think it can swing
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  Speaker 1: further in the other direction, where when you have guys
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  Speaker 1: who have had six seven years of development in college
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  Speaker 1: before they get to the NFL, that is going to
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  Speaker 1: show up immediately, and that's guys like Jane Daniels, that's
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  Speaker 1: guys like Michael Pennix, right, and then you have the
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  Speaker 1: flip side like Anthony Richardson. Bonnicks is a Componex and
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  Speaker 1: more starts. To anybody, it should have brought up the
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  Speaker 1: old man bon Nicks, and then on the flip side
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  Speaker 1: of Anthony richards In, who there were also guys who
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  Speaker 1: were coming out too young, like I think you can
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  Speaker 1: come out. You also had this element of being a
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  Speaker 1: copycat league where Josh Allen breaks out to Colt see
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, who threw I think less than four hundred
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  Speaker 1: passes his entire college career. He was just young. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't break out young, he was just young. I think
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  Speaker 1: Drake makes somewhere in the middle of that. My big
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  Speaker 1: thing with Drake May, when you talk about a bust,
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  Speaker 1: it's a player whose talent was misidentified. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: Drake May's talent was misidentified. The talent is there, you
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  Speaker 1: see it in flashes. I think Drake May is at
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  Speaker 1: the crossroads where many young players across positions, frankly, across
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  Speaker 1: sports kind of hit after their first year, not every
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  Speaker 1: and this is where it goes. This is where I
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  Speaker 1: bring back the age, like the older players have already
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  Speaker 1: worked through a lot of In the NFL is obviously different,
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  Speaker 1: jayde and Daniels had a lot of ups and downs
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  Speaker 1: in his college career and he kind of learned how
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  Speaker 1: to work through that over multiple years. Michael Pennix had
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  Speaker 1: maybe more ups and downs than anybody, and he learned
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  Speaker 1: how to work through it. Drake May was a red shirt,
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  Speaker 1: had a great first year at UNC, lost a lot
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  Speaker 1: of talent and was not quite as good but still
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  Speaker 1: good as second year. And that's basically coaching staff turnover
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  Speaker 1: to right. So I think what Drake May is working through,
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  Speaker 1: which again is not uncommon. The last thing that comes
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  Speaker 1: for young players, especially at the quarterback position, is consistency.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of young players and you see flashes
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  Speaker 1: of what they can do, but if it only ever
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  Speaker 1: stays flashes, it's irrelevant because if you're a high pick,
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  Speaker 1: you're expected to be more than that. It's about consistency.
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  Speaker 1: Can you do the good things on a consistent basis?
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  Speaker 1: Can you cut out the bad things on a consistent basis?
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  Speaker 1: So where I'm at with Drake May right now is
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  Speaker 1: the talent is there? I feel comfortable saying talent that
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  Speaker 1: we saw when he was in the draft process last year.
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  Speaker 1: Like check, we identified that correctly on the outside. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: more importantly, the Patriots identified that correct play on the inside.
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  Speaker 1: But can he make use of that talent at a
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  Speaker 1: consistent level as a pro. That's to me what ultimately
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  Speaker 1: year two's about. There's ways that manifests itself right, cutting
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  Speaker 1: down on the turnovers, taking better care of himself when
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  Speaker 1: he runs the football, things like that. But what that
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  Speaker 1: all falls under the umbrella of this is a very
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  Speaker 1: talented individual. Can he display that talent on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point in terms of the timeline.
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  Speaker 3: And one other name I wanted to bring up, not
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  Speaker 3: to pick on him, but Mac Jones after his rookie season.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was pretty high on him. Yeah, after his rookie year.
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  Speaker 3: And to your point about the early breakout and the
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  Speaker 3: talent and that whole side of it, that ended up
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  Speaker 3: being mac Jones plateauing like that was the peak of
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  Speaker 3: mac Jones in his NFL career, whereas with Drake May
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  Speaker 3: he might not have had the immediate success that mac
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  Speaker 3: Jones had, but you would like to think that over
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  Speaker 3: the course of the next two to three years he
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  Speaker 3: is going to rise to a level that was much
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  Speaker 3: higher than what mac Jones was. I brought up all
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  Speaker 3: these other quarterbacks not to say that he's gonna go
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  Speaker 3: win multiple MVPs like Lamar, or he's gonna win multiple
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowls like Mahomes. I just want to keep in
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  Speaker 3: perspective that a lot happens in the first two or
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  Speaker 3: to three four years of a quarterback's career, and there's,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, like there's a lot of roller coaster
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  Speaker 3: to start for most guys, whether it's sitting like Mahomes,
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  Speaker 3: or it's uneven play like Josh Allen, Like, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of that that goes on. And right now we
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  Speaker 3: are in the middle of it with Drake May. But
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  Speaker 3: we're not at the end where we're starting to make
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  Speaker 3: proclamations about Drake May. We're on the ride. We are
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  Speaker 3: we are on the ride, like the roller coaster has started,
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  Speaker 3: but we are on the middle of the ride and
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  Speaker 3: we're right at the drop, but we're not at We're
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  Speaker 3: not on the other side yet, So let's just let
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  Speaker 3: him develop. I have a lot of faith in McDaniel, especially,
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  Speaker 3: but Rabel two. From the intangible stuff that we've seen
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  Speaker 3: Rabel pushing Drake with. I have a lot of faith
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  Speaker 3: in all that, in the infrastructure that they have around him,
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  Speaker 3: more so than I did, especially last year, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: optimistic now. I do want to talk about him in
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  Speaker 3: an objective way too, and not just defend the wall
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  Speaker 3: on Drake May because the preseason tape in my mind,
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  Speaker 3: hasn't been great. It just hasn't been very good. Now,
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  Speaker 3: why is that? I think there's two different conversations to
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  Speaker 3: have there. You know, I think everybody can watch his
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  Speaker 3: film or watch the game live against Minnesota and see
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  Speaker 3: the high throws that he starts the game out with,
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  Speaker 3: and that's very tangible, that's very apparent. But I'm less
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  Speaker 3: concerned about those throws as I am some of the
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  Speaker 3: reads and some of the decisions that he's making within
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  Speaker 3: these games. That is more concerning to me, because I
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  Speaker 3: think he's gonna hit open receivers more times than not.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think he's gonna make that throat to pop
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  Speaker 3: Douglas eighty five ninety percent of the time. It just
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  Speaker 3: was one of those times where the ball got away
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  Speaker 3: from him a little bit. Maybe he wasn't one hundred
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  Speaker 3: percent sure if he was gonna sit or if he
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  Speaker 3: was gonna keep running. I think there was that element too.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel was asked about Drake May the other day,
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  Speaker 3: and he did bring up being on the same page
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  Speaker 3: as receivers and miscommunications and things like that. So I
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  Speaker 3: do wonder if that is going on a little bit
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  Speaker 3: as everybody starts to pick up this Josh McDaniels offense,
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  Speaker 3: not just him, but the receivers also, So I think
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  Speaker 3: there's maybe an element to that. The one thing that
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  Speaker 3: I've seen on his film for the first both weeks
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  Speaker 3: is that he's having some issues with processing post snap movement.
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  Speaker 3: So like when the defense shows you something pre snap,
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  Speaker 3: and then NFL defense especially, they're gonna disguise and then
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna rotate into some different post snap, and how
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  Speaker 3: do you react to that pre snap post snap movement.
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  Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about the strip sack last week,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it was the same sort of thing
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  Speaker 3: they showed him single high and then then when they
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  Speaker 3: fell out of coverage there when the ball was snapped,
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  Speaker 3: it ended up being a too high look, right, And
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the time in Josh McDaniel's offense, you
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  Speaker 3: have coverage beaters to one side and coverage beater to
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  Speaker 3: the other side. So it's like when you drop back,
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  Speaker 3: if you have let's say it's you know two by
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  Speaker 3: two right, you have two receivers and one on either
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  Speaker 3: side of you. You might have a two high beater
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  Speaker 3: to your left and you have a single high beater
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  Speaker 3: to your right, and based off the read that the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback gets, that's the way he's going to open to
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  Speaker 3: look to throw. So if you're expecting single high and
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  Speaker 3: then you open to the single high side and then
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  Speaker 3: it's actually too high, well now you're holding the football
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  Speaker 3: because you're you're indecisive, or you're not reading the right
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  Speaker 3: side of the field, or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 3: So in the Minnesota game, I thought there were a
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  Speaker 3: couple of instances where Minnesota would show him one coverage
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  Speaker 3: pre snap, then they would rotate into something or fall
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  Speaker 3: into something different post snap, and it just caused Drake
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  Speaker 3: May to have some hesitancy, like he just wasn't one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent sure at what he was looking at. To me,
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  Speaker 3: that's at least what it looked like. I'll give you
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  Speaker 3: an example the throw to maccollins that he actually did
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  Speaker 3: hit out of structure on the third down play. I
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  Speaker 3: know it's going around Orlovsky tweeted about it. There's a
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  Speaker 3: big play to be had in the pocket. There he
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  Speaker 3: has two receivers Pop Douglas and Kyle Williams winning down
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  Speaker 3: the field for potential touchdowns if he just stays in
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  Speaker 3: the pocket and makes a throw from the pocket. So
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  Speaker 3: on that play, they start Pop Douglas in the slot,
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  Speaker 3: and Pop Douglas motions from the left side of the
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  Speaker 3: formation to the right side of the formation. When he
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  Speaker 3: motions the nickel, the slot defender follows him man coverage right.
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  Speaker 3: So Drake May is saying, oh, this is single high
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  Speaker 3: one safety up top. The indicator is telling me it's
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  Speaker 3: man to man. I have man to man coverage. So
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  Speaker 3: he starts looking at Pop Douglas thinking I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 3: to my man beater. I'm gonna go to Pop, who
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: usually wins in those situations. On third down, when the
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: ball was snapped, the nickel actually falls into the half
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: field and they end up playing cover two out of
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: a single high Look now that's the league like that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: That's how a lot of NFL defenses are doing it
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: now Sundays. But when they spun it and the nickel
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: dropped out and he played cover two, Drake May held
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the ball because he didn't I don't think he was
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent decisive or sure of what exactly it
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: was that he was looking at. So those types of things,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to me are a tiny bit more concerning than like, oh,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: he missed this throw, because I expect him to correct
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the throw that he missed, Like, I don't think that's
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: going to be a consistent thing where he's spraying the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: ball over Douglas's head when he's wide open. When teams
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: see that on film, that maybe he has some problems
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: with post snap rotation, they're just going to keep testing
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: him on post snap rotation until he figures it out.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: That to me is something that could be more indicative
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: of a bigger picture type thing. So that's a long
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: winded way of sort of breaking down what I saw
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: on the film. But is there anything else you wanted
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to add about Drake before we move on, Because overall,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: like I said, like I don't this is not alarm
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: its like I said earlier, it's early, Like this is
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: we're very early on in this process with Drake May
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: and we're especially very early on with Drake May in
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: an offense and with the coaching staff that can rise
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: to the level, right like Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: are have the experience and the wherewithal to coach a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: player like Drake May and get the best out of him.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: So I want to give him grace. But if we
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: have to look at the film objectively, those are just
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a couple of things that I saw.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the sprays are the sprays goes back
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to my consistency point. They were an issue last year.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: They've been less of an issue over all this summer.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe more in the last week or so than they
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: were previously, but overall they've been less That's one of
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the big consistency points for me. Can Drake make cut
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: down on the sprace Because he can do that, There's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be opportunities to be had. We've seen it with
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: this offense. I think the wide receivers, you know, collectively,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: have put together a nice summer. Kasehawan Boody has succeeded expectations,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: MATC Hollins s exceeded expectations. Pop Douglas is that expectation.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But I mean he's been good, right, So I think
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: overall Javon Baker kind of will see if he makes
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a team, but kind of come dow nowhere. I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be opportunities for him. He's just got to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: be able to capitalize on those opportunities on a more
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: regular basis than he did last year.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's a great point because I don't want
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to make too much out of the preseason game because
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: they're going up against the twos. Now, I sometimes like
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: when it comes to going up against starters and backups.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Let's be clear, the twos that Drake May were facing
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: on Saturday are going to make the vikings. They are
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: just not their starting frontline players. It's not Byron Murphy,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: it's not Jonathan Grenard, like it's Dallas Turner. It's the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: next guys, right, it's they're two's not their practice squad guys.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't like he was going up against total nobodies.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: But still, the fact that there were open receivers, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: don't want to make a big deal out of necessarily
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: for the preseason game, but in the joint practices I
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: felt the same way that there were open receivers. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that's positive that one they might have upgraded enough at
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: the skill positions to be competitive. I don't know if
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: they've upgraded enough to be a contender, but they've upgraded
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: enough to be competitive. And then also it's you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a feather and Josh mcdaniels's cap. He's getting guys open.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: You know, he's scheming things, he's dressing things up, he
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: is getting guys open, especially in those joint practices. So
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: those are all positives. We want to do three up,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: three down from the preseason game as well. So let's
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: get into that. Do you want to start us off?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Because I have a feeling that ours is going to
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: be pretty similar this week. I feel like there aren't
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: too many to pick from, But who are your three up?
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Start with your ups first?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I mean first up. Obviously, he's Aston Chisholm. He was
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the best player in that game. He was unbelievable. I've
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: said this for a while with Chisholm, like my I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: don't want to say hold up, but my thing with
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Chisholm was usually the last thing you're looking for with
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the UDFA who's making a roster pushes is he working
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: with the ones and just to kind of get that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that what's the confirmation and that he obviously hasn't done that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: He still hasn't done that, but at a certain point
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well, if he's just gonna be
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: against the twos, let's see what he looks like with
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the twos. And it's not like it's close, right, he
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: looks like what you expect a starting caliber player to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: look like against twos. Case in point, look at Anthony Jennings,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: who he knows, a starting caliber player who's further down
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: on the depth chart for other reasons. And we'll get
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to but I mean, he's he was dominating. And the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: other thing is that the one thing we really hadn't
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: seen from Chisholm, because you can't really see it in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a practice setting, is the yards have to catch stuff,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the ability to make tacklers missed because obviously not tackling
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: in practices, and he was tremendous in that regard. Certainly
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: so looks assuming that he's healthy and can start the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: season on the roster, which was Mike Reese noted he
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: was riding the exercise bike pretty vigorous le during practice
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the other day, which is a good sign like that,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sold he's a roster lock. I'm good.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I think he made the team.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: On Saturday, and we played that clip to begin the show,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: from last week's show. Yeah, and I not to This
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: is not patting myself on the back, but that was
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: before the game. That was us talking about ethon Chishom
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: just based off of the press.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I will say somebody in the YouTube comments and hearing
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that pointed out the island thing with cornerbacks is because
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it's a place of isolation from civilization, so to have
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it also be a place of community for fans is
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: totally upside down.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: No, it makes total sense. No, I'm not gonna argue
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: about this. He's Chisem Islands.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: But okay, it's not I said it incorrectly there. It's
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: not he's Chishm Island. It's that it's it's Chishm Island,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: as if like we were in isolation with thinking that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Chisholm was good, but now it's it's hopping on the island.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Look right now, everybody wants real estate on the island.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We touched the Sun last year with the Manhattan Project
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: as a nickname. I don't think we're gonna get close
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to that, but I'd like to follow it up with
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: something more than Chishm Isld. No, it's not Chisum Island,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: but that's what it's gonna be.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I was living on an island, supporting efton Chisholm, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: now the island is expanding. Now everybody's on the island anymore.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: It is still an island. It's just a hopin island.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's a Ruba that you're missing. So analogy is so broken,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: it's perfect, so broken.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Now now we we just we've civilized this island now
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and people people are on the island and we're packing
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: it in. We're ready to go. So here's my take
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: on because I think you you summed up the game
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: stuff good. I think the one thing that should be
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: said about fon Chism is that I don't think it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: necessarily a total fluke that he's doing this. I think
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: their only question that evaluators had about and Chism in
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the draft was the four seven forty straight line speed, Yes,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: straight line speed, The quickness, the place drain, the ability
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: to catch the ball in traffic, even the ability to
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: break tackles is there on the Eastern Washington tape. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: he had all sorts of production in college. I know
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: he I don't think he broke Cooper Cup's records, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: he was like one of the only receivers I think
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: they have three hundred career catches besides Cooper Cup at
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Eastern Washington. Yeah, so he was right there with a
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: lot of Cup stuff from Eastern Washington. And so this
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't a fluke of this guy is, you know, coming
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: completely out of nowhere to make a roster push. This
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: was a player that had draftable film in college, that
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: ran a bad forty and because the thresholds an archaic
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: thinking about the forty yard dash, people just wiped him
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: out from their draft boards. He just was undraftable for
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of teams. So once he came in here
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: and he started doing what he was doing, and I
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: want to reiterate that he's doing this in practice as
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: well as the games. Yeah, once he started doing this,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: it wasn't like, oh, this is some fluky preseason Maurice
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Harris type of situation. It's like, oh, wait a second,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: like these kids, this kid's skills are translating to the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: NFL game from what they were in college. So Fton
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Chisholm had Day three tape at Eastern Washington and he
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: went undrafted because of the forty times. So in that respect,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I think that it makes it almost even more real
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: that maybe they might have found something here. It obviously
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: helps that he's playing in an offense and in a
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: role that's very hyper specific to his skill set. It's
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: a slot or Z receiver role in Josh mcdaniels's offense.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: That is, you know, the Edelman Welker, Troy Brown, Deon
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: branch if you want to go back that far. It's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: a highly productive role within this offense, which helps in
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: his skill set lends itself to that. But I think
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the main thing to take away from this Efton Chisholm
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: thing is that if you just drafted him based off
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of tape, then you probably were talking about a guy
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: that was like a mid to late day three pick.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: But because the forty time he goes undrafted and the
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: hands up here as a UDFA with the Patriots, So
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I think he made the team. The most important, press
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: or impressive thing I know to a lot of people
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: as the broken tackles, I don't necessarily look at it
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the same way because he, like the guys that are
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: trying to tackle him aren't exactly frontline players. So I
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to break four tackles like
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: he did on his touchdown against the starting defense, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the ability to separate quickly, find space and zone coverage,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: attack the football in the air with strong hands, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: finished through contact at the catch point, like all of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: those elements offton Chishm's game belong. He has good instincts
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: with the football in his hands, even though I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: know if the broken tackles are going to be as
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: high of a volume. I think he has good instincts
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: for where the open field is, where the green grass is,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: where people are coming from you're trying to tackle him,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: which I think is an innate field thing that comes instinctively,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: is not necessarily a natural trait. So all these things
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I think are really positive about eton chism. You mentioned
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: that he hasn't done it against starters. I think that's
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a fair A fair question is whether or not he
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: can do this against starting caliber players. But he proved
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: it he's on the team. I think he's done plenty
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to make a roster, especially one that doesn't exactly have
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: a stacked receiver room. I think he's done more than enough.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Who's your second up?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Real quick cut? More things onon Chism.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: One. Can you name the only two Eastern Washington players
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: who have thrown a pass in the NFL? Kendrick Bourne, yep,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: another the other one? You should you know him like
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you did. He's a very notable player.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, I got Kendrick Bourne.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Cooper Cup.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Oh so he's also he's thrown a trick pass as well.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Eastern Washington has not put out their twenty twenty
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: five media guy yet, so I don't know if he
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: broke cups records. Mother thing like like. Also, let's just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of ourselves with Cooper Cup. At
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the same time, Don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you Meanton Chism. Yeah, well, let's not get ahead of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: ourselves with Cooper Cup.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Two.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I guess let's not call him Cooper Cup. That's what
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you're saying, Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Fton Chism.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like, he's had
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a great summer and he's earned a roster spot and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: for a UDFA, that in itself is a significant accomplishment.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Let's not act like he's gonna come in and be
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: their wide receiver. One. No, let's not act like he's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: kicking Pop Douglas off the field.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: One.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: They can both be on the field at the same time.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: There's plenty of room for that in Josh McDaniel's offense. Two. Like, yes,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it was back to your point earlier about Drake May.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It wasn't descrub, but it also wasn't the starters. Like
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we've seen a limited sample size. What we've seen is impressive,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and you only get a limited sample size to make
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the team. You're gonna get more of a sample size
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to as the season goes on, Like how many pass
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: seven catch this year? Right? I feel like there's some
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: people acting like he's gonna be the go to guy
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: maybe eventually Julian Edelman took four years, and that's not
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to say he's gonna be Julian Edelman, but he made
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the team. He made the team. I just want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: be able to check that box and appreciate that for
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: what it is, because it's an accomplishment without going over
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: our skis.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not going over my skis. And we've talked
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: about this off there, Like he made the team, it
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: stops full stop, Like there's no projection of what he's
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: gonna be in terms of his rookie season that he's
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: gonna be this number one receiver. I'm not even sure
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be on the field, Like, I don't even
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: know if he's if he's a game day acting.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they're gonna keep six receivers, he probably
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: gonna have to play special teams.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: But right the one thing that I would say would
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: just and I want to get back to another thing
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that you said in terms of if I again like
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: it's it was just the forty time, Like if it
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: was if this was a situation where this guy was
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: a five foot nothing, one hundred and twenty pound you know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: you know, right, sure, okay, like if he was just
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: not an NFL athlete, and I would sit here and say, okay,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: like maybe this is kind of just preseason training camp flukiness.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: But this guy was was on people's radars. You know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: he went to the East West Shrine Bowl and had
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a great week. They're at the Shrine Bowl. He it
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: was just the forties. So I'll really reiterate that. The
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: other thing that you mentioned that I wanted to hit
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: on before we move on is how they can kind
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: of play multiple slot types at the same time. And
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I actually yesterday, you know, Humble Breck. I was talking
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to Julian Edelman yesterday. I'm gonna do just.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Real quick going into last year, and this is actually
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: absurd yea in terms of IFFT and have caught Cooper
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Cup in terms of receptions going, so I just have
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: going in the last year and last year Afton Chishom
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: was a two twenty six. Yeah, Cooper Cup has the
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: record for twenty eight. Yeah, he had double yards aft
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and Chisham had twenty five hundred going in last year.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Cooper Cup had career sixty four hundred.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that Fton Chishm had four thousand receiving yard.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: He I believe he eclipsed a certain threshold that only
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: so I think at Eastern I think it was like
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: three hundred career catch.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Three hundred catches.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: So just to finish the take I saw going to
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Edelman yesterday, and I'm going to publish a piece probably
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: next week about all this, just about uh, the slot
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: receiver in mcdaniels's offense and you know how you play
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that role and his thoughts on pop and eftin Chisholm
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: a little bit as well, and we were talking about him,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Edelman and Danny A. Mondola and what made those two
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: guys truly different. And Edelman was saying that Danny M.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Mendola was a pure slot. He called him an F. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: they call you, they call it an F F receiver
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: in the offense, he was a pure slot receiver and
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Edelman was really a Z who in three receiver packages
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: would occasionally go play the F and be the primary slot,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: but in two base, in two receiver based packages, he
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: would be the Z. He would be an outside receiver.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: So Chisholm to me is an F like he's a
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: pure Danny AM Mondola slot. And that's the comparison that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels has has brought up. Pop, on the other hand,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: might be able to be more of like a Z
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: or a joker or a flanker, a guy that moves
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: around the formation and plays off the line of scrimmage.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: So to your point, like you can play in three
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: receiver sets, you can play a pure slot like Ft
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and Chisholm, and you can play a Z like Pop
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Douglas and have both of them together. So in this case,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: even though it's not a perfect because it Pop and
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Edelman are very different players, maybe a little bit better,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: but Hogan was.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Big, So that's that's the But the skill sets more
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: similar because it's more based on straight line speed and.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Like downfield ability. Yeah, so you know that was what
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Edelman was saying, was that the two of them would
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: play together in three receiver packages, but a Mondola really
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: wouldn't play it into receiver based offense, right because he
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: wasn't like that kind of which you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Don't need to do that like to make for for
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Chisholm to make an impact or pop. Honestly, I think
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: even before Chishom carves out his role, when they go
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to twelve or twenty one, it's digs in either Kishan Buda,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Kai Williams or mac Hollins. Like that's what it's been
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: all summer. Pap has been the guy that's come off
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the field when they bring on a second running back
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: or second tight end.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So here's an email from Tom. I'm gonna I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: want to give read this email because it's real. It's funny. Okay,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Alex is one hundred percent right, and chishm Island does
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: not make sense. Island are reserved only for elite corners.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You leave them in isolation, and QB's are afraid to
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: go there. Everyone thinks of revis Island when you hear
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: island exactly. It just does not work for receiver. This
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: is too much of a defense connotation. You can say
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Chisholm train or Chishm Express. You get it before there's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: too much momentum. Baby, Chef Chisholm. Sorry I can't read today.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Chef Chisholm, Chisholm bandwagon, the Church of Chisholm. I don't
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: like that, not on this show. Fine, but with father Fred,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you know Fred Kersh, Father Fred. But Chisham Island is
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: straight disrespectful to reeves an island nicknames reserved for elite
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: cornerback play.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I will say, somebody in the YouTube comments brought up
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you could talk about a tackle having an island, so
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'll give you that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I want to be clear. This was not Chisham Island, right,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: But I was on Chisholm Island. That different.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So many people here it the other way, Pruse it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't work.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I am not saying that his nickname is Chisham Island.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I am saying that there was an island of eft
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: and Chisholm og fans, and we were all on the island,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and now we are welcoming. I am not I'm not
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: a gatekeeper here, Alex. I welcome everybody. Everybody, come, come
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: on the ferry. You can come out to the island.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It's all right. You can. You can enjoy the beaches,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: you can enjoy the views. I'm not I'm not trying
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: to tell you that you can't join the island. I'm
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: not saying it's Chisholm Island. I'm saying that I was
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: on the island, on the bandwagon, if you will, of
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: e fton Chisholm. And now we're good. I I all right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: let's move on.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Let's move on.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Who's your second up?
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Second up for me was Anthony Jennings.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yep, I say one.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I'm there's some reporting out there today from Andrew Callahan
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots are, you know, open a business for
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: trading him. And look, I ultimately get it if you
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: can get something good for him, if you don't think
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: he's gonna play fine. I like to see them find
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a role for him. He's talented. I don't know that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: this team is in a spot where they can walk
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: away from just talent. I don't know what that role
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: would be. Maybe he's not gonna handle a backup role well,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: but like as as Harold Landry's as the Harold Landry spot,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: as the second guy in that spot, I think Afredy
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Jennings would be really good to have. I do you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: came out with three sacks and he's against backups. The
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: pass rush isn't always gonna look like that for him,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: but again, that's what a starter against backups looks like, right,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: so he can be competitive against the starters. I ultimately
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: think he ends up. I had him on my last
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: ross projection. The more I think about it, I also
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: kept seven edge guys, which is probably unrealistic, but I'd
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like to think he belongs on the team. He might
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: ultimately not make it, but he's making it tough on
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: him with performances like that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with your point about I was looking
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit at just trying to put together a
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: roster projection just for myself on a Pats Picker, which
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: is a great little thing by patsfans dot com. I
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: think it is ian logsite. They do a great job
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: with Pats Picker, and you can it just does it
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: for you, right, you know, it's all the players, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: he counts it for you and it makes it nice
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and clean. And I was trying to uh, I was
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: doing it myself and guys like Anthony Jennings. I was like,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: who are we keeping over Anthony Jennings that, I'm like
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: banging the table for that. I'm like, I need to
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: get this guy on, and we need to part ways
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: with Anthony Jennings to get this guy on. I felt
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the same way about Javon Baker. I felt the same
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: way about Kyle Dugger, where I was just like, Okay,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: if you can find somebody to trade Kyle Dugger for
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: and you like the compensation and you know, so on
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: and so forth, I can see the reasoning for it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: But this team is not in a position yet where
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: they have fifty three locks on this roster, right Like,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: it's not like we're sitting here saying man like, they're
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: gonna have to make some tough cuts like no disrespect.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: But we're just not there yet. So Anthony Jennings fit
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: fits a similar mold. Okay, so maybe Landry Chase and
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Keon White are going to play over him if healthy, Yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: what happens if one of them isn't healthy, right, And
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: do you want to maintain that depth? Uh? And do
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you want to have an NFL player that you can
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: fill in for that? And if you're cutting you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: a UDFA or one of these rookie draft picks that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: you drafted the late day three to keep an Anthony Jennings,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I'd rather keep Anthony Jennings, Like. I just don't think
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: that there's a people pushing him off the roster.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'm with you and I now, if somebody comes along
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: because you like a third round pick, fine, right, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had I had the same way I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: had Chisholm Jennings. Who is your last guy?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, Travon Henderson And it's limited, but he's he's just
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: so good. He's just so good. And you saw the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: contact balance and the power after seeing the speed last week. Uh,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: put him on bubble wrap. I'm good. I'll see, I'll
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: see against Vegas. Trevion like done more than enough at
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: this point. I still don't think he's ever going to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: be that like Bell cow back, because don't think Josh
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Mctageal's gonna do it that way. And if I'm the Patriots,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: like take a lesson, Ohio State goes out, gets Quinn
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: shown Judkins in the portal limits Henderson's touches and he
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: actually becomes more productive because of that. I I got
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: to pull up the set. I believe he had the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: same number of scrimmage yards per game on despite playing
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: less games or something.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I think he had. Didn't He have more yards from
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: scrimmage than the year before.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: He had.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Two hundred more yards one hundred and fifty more yards
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: per scrimmage on four less touches. Yeah, So like if
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I'm the Patriots, take the lesson from that. You know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I get maybe some people are uneasy with Ramandre Stevenson
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: because he's struggled at times the summer. He's banged up.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Now I keep him for now. I don't think you're
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: gonna find a better early down bowling ball back than
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: him at this point in the offseason. And if you
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: want to address that down the road, maybe you do.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: But like it's it's got to be one A and
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: one B. I don't think that Trayvon Henderson's guy you
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: want touching the ball. You know, close to three hundred
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: times season.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: He feels like a ten to twelve touch guy, a
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: game where you are finding ways to get him the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: football in space as much as you can, while also
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: recognizing that you don't want to run him into the ground.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: So ten touches twelve touches are right around two hundred
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: on the season, and that includes receptions, which I don't
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: think is exactly the same as like running in between
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: the tackles in terms of wear and tear. I think
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: that that's a feasible for Travon Henderson. I almost put
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson, but I have a feeling that he might
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: get retired from the upslist at some point this season.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Can we do that to a rookie.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to overuse it. We've only ever done
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that with I knew you were you know we were
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: probably going to get to him. The one other up
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: that I wrote down was Ben Brown, who I thought
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: was really good in this game. I thought he moved
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of scrimmage really well. With Will Campbell on
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that left side, they picked up some post snap movement
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: pretty well in this game. He continues to be clean
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: in pass protection. He's pretty good in pass partis last
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: year too, and that continues to be a strength of his.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to get to the point I was a
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Bradbury guy. I've been a Bradbury guy, but I do
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: start to wonder a little bit here, and I wanted
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: to kind of dovetail this into a conversation about what's
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: going on on the interior offensive line. Is their best
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: line going to be some sort of combination of Campbell, Wilson,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Brown on when New Moses, and no Garrett Bradberry, Because
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I think if you're just basing it off of strictly
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: off of who's played the best, and not necessarily Garrett
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Bradberry's a veteran, he's a guy you signed, a free
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: agent and all the different baggage that comes with it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I think that you could objectively say that Jared Wilson
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: and Ben Brown have outplayed Garrett Bradberry. I just don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: know if they're ready to pull the plug on the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: veteran center, young quarterback battery like that whole thing.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I think that is part of it for me. Ben
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Brown and Drake may have worked together before, so I
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: know Ben Brown's young, but but you have that unless
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: they're worried about how Brown's picked up the offense. The
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: fact Brown's gotten so much, like it makes sense. But
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Brown and Wilson are both working so much at left
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: guard right Like, at a certain point, if one of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: them is going to be the center, he's got to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: start playing center. That's not really a switch you want
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to make Saturday night before the first game of the year. So, yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, And maybe it ultimately becomes that once
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: we get a few weeks into the season like we
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: did this last year. We all kind of knew Chukes
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to work at left tackle, and it worked
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: itself out eventually. I'd rather Drake may not have to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: go through that, But and the offense as a whole,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I should say, but I think that is their best group.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I still think Jared Wilson's a starting caliber NFL center.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: The only problem is he had a couple of bad
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: snaps early in the summer and then he really hasn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: played center since outside of those few snaps in the game.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So where are they at with him actually snapping and
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: does he need to work through that? Are they good
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: with him as center? Did that worry them to the
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: point where he's a guard? Okay? If that's true, find
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: playment guard, because I still think he can hold up there.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: But now you got to get Ben Brown working at
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: center to work with Drake May. If it's just the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: two of them rotating at guard, that's an outright position battle.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And I mean it looks right now like Garrett Bradbury's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the starting center. As much as he struggled, it doesn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: look like he's budget.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: It seemed to settle down for him a little bit
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: after the Commander's preseason game. He had a decent game
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: one of the preseason.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: That wants to know if you're on Ben Brown island.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: No, No, that doesn't rise to island level.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: But because it doesn't make sense.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: The first preseason game against the Commanders, I thought Garrett
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Bradbury played pretty well in and then he was kind
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: of the entrench center from that point on all of
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: last week in the joint practices and then in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: preseason game on Saturday, and then we came out of
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the preseason game on Saturday, and all of a sudden,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: there's a mix going on in there between Wilson Brown Bradberry.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I want to be clear, Bradberry's only playing center, yeah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: but Brown is playing some center. He's playing some left guard.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Wilson obviously played both positions in the game as well,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: So Bradberry's only playing center, but he's in a mix
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: of three guys that are rotating in from a bigger picture, yeah,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of cycle. So the one thing that
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Bradbury has going for him is not how he plays
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: after the snap. It's before the snap. He's a veteran center.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: You have a second year quarterback. He's a guy that
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: can help Drake May with protections and mike calls and
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: sniffing out blitzes and seeing things and all that kind
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: of stuff. There is something to be said for that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of value in having an experienced center
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: working with a young quarterback. But does that push Is
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: that enough? Is that enough for Gerett Bradbury to hold
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: off guys that are better than him currently? I would
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: say we'll find out.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Clearly has been so far, but that can change. When
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: this is where this is not a Patriots thing like league,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Why there's so few opportunities to actually evaluate these offensive
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: linemen with the restrictions on padded practices and things like
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: that in the summer, when a lot of it is mental,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it can be enough to hold them on. Right when
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: it gets live, when the lights come on, that can
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: change real quick, right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: But I guess my point is, and this is sort
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: of a take, Like I guess if you kind of
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: know that this is going the other way with Garrett Bradbury, Yeah, Like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: do you carry Garrett Bradbury on the roster knowing that
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: he has a very very short leash and then he's
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: probably like he might spend the majority of the season
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: on the bench.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: To your point, they might have that roster spot just
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: by the rest of the roster. I have them keeping
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: ten offensive linemen on my last roster projection, which is
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a lot, but I kind of noted in there it
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: might be like last year. It's at different positions, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it might be like last year where some of these
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: battles continue in the regular season. The other question I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: have about Bradbury, and this is just because a lot
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of guys have taken this approach in recent years, Like
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: he seems like somebody who's bought into the program and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: is in on Mike Rabels, in on Josh McDaniels, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: like's working with the younger guys and all of that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Like from talking to him. That's that's what he seems
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to be. But all these guys are competitors. Is he
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: somebody who you know, who's the first round pick, he's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a seven year starter. Does he look at it if
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they do make the switch and say and basically request
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: his release right and say I want to go somewhe
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: where I'm gonna have a chance to start and play.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if you do that now instead of
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: a month from now at a fairness to him, right,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: because I think Jared Wilson's the center of the future. Yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and he played thirteen snaps at center in the game.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I thought it went pretty well, and you know you
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: were talking about, well, those guys haven't worked as much
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: at center. I do wonder if, like Wilson and I
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: hear you in terms of working it with Drake May specifically,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: but if Brown and Wilson are natural centers, yeah, so
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: they're learning guard as players that really are position one
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: is center, in position two is guard. So like for them,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: maybe center is more like riding a bike and guard
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: is really the one that needs to have ramps. So
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: if you move Ben Brown back to center, who was
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Drake May center for most of the year, last year.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily a huge transition. So
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: like I just look at it that way, and I
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: do wonder with roster cuts coming up, And this is
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: totally take speculation, Like is there a world where they
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: just look at it and say, well, Bradbury or Brown
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: beat out Bradberry.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean brad Breaker still say stay is the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: backup second he could right then it becomes Bradbury versus
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: c col Strange, right, which I think Bradberry is gonna
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I think Bradbury gets it too in that in that scenario,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but unless he doesn't want to be here as backup,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that would be and that just to fitish conversation, that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: would be cold Strange's path to the raw. I think
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that's cold Strange is basically only path to the roster.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: At this point, let's go to the downs. Be a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: little bit quicker on the downs. Yeah, my first down,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: just get it out of the way.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Was was Drake Like, even though I said all those
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: things defending him at the beginning, it still wasn't good enough.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: And it's still he's still got to be better than that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think we need to belabor the point. Oh
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I had Drake.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I have one more sneaky up by the way. Oh yeah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Jordan Polk. Yeah, Jordan Polk has made a little bit
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: of a roster push here down the stretch, and he
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: might be somebody that starts on the practice squad and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: comes into the picture later. They are going to love
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the way he chased down the returner on that kickoff
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the all Rable brought it up. He had the interception
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: last week, He was ready to run stop this week.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Who's the Who's the sixth corner right now? If they're
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: gonna keep six, which they might because of injuries.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: So Gonzales, Davis, Jones, Austin, DJ James and so do
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: you have DJ James on on like.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: He's he's clearly the fifth corner just based on the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: way they're off right right, You said six, So that's
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They keep six because of injuries, but.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: We're stretching it to get to six, is my point.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: James is already your fifth guy.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: But Christian Zalz has been banged up. Yes, Carlton Davis
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: has this injury history, Marcus Jones has this injury history.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna be short at safety two, that might
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: be a spot where you want to carry a little
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: extra depth. Who's six corner right now?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Probably miles battle based off of what they've done, all right,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: but maybe if you consider Jordan Polk is a corner.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: So he can play a little bit bit of both.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's really a nickel, right he's slot.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they might need a slot. Yeah, Okay, anyway,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: that was just take I had all right, So I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: had Drake mayonack to it. Sorry, I forgot. I went
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of my notebook to make sure he
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: missed anything. I forgot. I had that down there.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Did you have any who was your down?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: First down? Kyle Duggar?
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, I had him on here too.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I just I he didn't have He had an okay
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: game to begin with that, and it ultimately wasn't called
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: a fumble. But that play at the end, you know,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Mike Riebel kind of talked about it the other day.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: That's everything this coaching staff has preached removing from the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: program since day one. It's a good point, and I
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: just don't I get Ultimately it didn't impact the result
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't called a fumble. But the preseason event
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: is more about looking about the process than the result.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: It was the regular season that happened. We probably laugh
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: about it, move on the preseason. Something like the fact
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he was on the field to begin with on the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: final well, that's not a good sign.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: That was like ninety percent of the reason why I
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: had him on here is because he's playing well.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I literally had the thought, I'm like, if Kyle dugger
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: gets a pick on the last play of the game,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that's going to be an interesting little event to have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: fun with and talk about. But you know, the fumble
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: is not not what you're looking for in that situation.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: So I will give this to Kyle Duggar. I had
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: him on here because of the same exact reasons he
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: was playing in the game that late, and because of
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: the the near fumble at the end. I actually watching
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: his tape, you know, there are obvious he has some
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: stiffness to his game and coverage that we've known as
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: existed this whole time. Yeah, it's not new. When he
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: plays deep safety, I do think that he's somebody who's
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: limited range wise and like doesn't necessarily have that preferred
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: vision to like see the entire field and really process
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: what's coming into his zones. And things like that. So
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I think there's some elements that when he plays, you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: away from the football in the deep part of the field.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: But with Dugger, I just the thing that I keep
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: coming back to with him is you just rep you
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: kind of summed it up perfectly. That type of stuff
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: is the exact type of the s that gets you
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: beat that Mike Rabel is trying to eliminate from the program, right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: And that's the type of thing that the buttoned up
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: type of stuff that they are trying to eliminate from
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: this football program completely so that they can get back
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: to a level that they want to be at. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: with Dougger, I just I don't that's kind of a
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: perfect em example of a one play example of that happening.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: And so it's a good point. I had him on
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: there for that reason as well, and because he was
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: playing late in the game. Now, the one thing I
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: want to bring up with Kyle Dugger in the defense
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: of Kyle Dugger. Our first year, my first full year
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, I was at the Patriots' final preseason game
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: against the New York Giants in the Metal Lands, Okay,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: because I remember I was still living in New York
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: because you weren't a training camp. And I decided to
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: go to the game, and they got me a credential.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you Zanas for getting me the credential.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: And I went to the game. Jason mccordy played the
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: entire game. He was just like Kyle Duggar. He was
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: in the game for the last snap of the of
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: the play of the game. And I remember going into
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the road team locker room in the Medal Lands, which
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: by the way, has two road team locker rooms. There's
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: one for the Jets and one.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: For the understand why they did that, which is very confult,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I understand, Oh, it's because that way when they have
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: neutral Syche games, they have two locker rooms. Okay, maybe,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: so when you have Army Navy there, I went for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Army one for Navy. Right, they don't have to like
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: use the like when they came here for Army Navy.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Navy used the Patriots locker room, which is a nice
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: gesture by the Patriots, obviously, but it's also like a
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: whole other thing you have to do.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Right, So I remember going into the road team locker
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: room that night.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: One of the things, did you I think I remember
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: reading this when the Jets play the Giants. When they
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: play each other, I think the road team has to
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: use one of those road team locker rooms. I don't
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: think they're allowed to use their own.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Locker because it's like and they have to be at
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: a disadvantage of being in the road.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I think I remember, everything has to be equal. Yeah,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look that up. I think I remember seeing that.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: That's crazy because your locker is literally like right down
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: the ball and you can't use it anyways. So Jason
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: McCarty sat at the locker, stood at his locker or whatever,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: and I remember being in the scrum talking to Jason
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: mccordy and him not knowing if he made the team
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: or not, Like he was one hundred percent on the bubble.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent on the bubble, played into the fourth
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: quarter of the last preseason game, and this was when
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: there were four preseason games, So I think that made
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: even more. It made me meant even more at the
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: time that he was playing, and later that year he
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: ends up breaking up the pass and the Super Bowl
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: that won them the game, and the rest is history.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: So as much as I I want to sit here
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: and say that Kyle Duggar looks like he's on the
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: outside looking in. It kind of looks like Jason McCarty
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: was on the outside looking into. Now, maybe his brother
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: being a team captain and one of the better Patriots
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: of that generation, that might have played a role in
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: the fact that he ended up making the team. But
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Jason McCarty ended up making the team. He ended up
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: having a great season with the Patriots. He ended up
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: making the play of the season in the Super Bowl
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots. So my point is is that maybe
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: there's a sliver, tiny little bit of hope that this
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: could turn back around for Kyle dugger at some point.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: So I just want to throw that story out there
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: because I think it's I always think of that when
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: we talk about this kind of stuff with Jason McCarty.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: All right, last one here for real quick.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: The Jets can use their own locker room or the
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Giants when they're the road team, but they have to
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: walk in a different way and it's resulted in players
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes walking into the other team's locker room.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. So I had may, I had Duggar. My
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: last down here was Javon Baker, who Mike just tweeted
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: a couple of minutes ago that Javon Baker is traveling
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: to New York for the preseason finale, so he hasn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: been practicing the last couple of days, but maybe he's
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: still gonna play in the game. I know that there
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: was some bad luck for Javon Baker in terms of
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: the balls he was getting from Josh Dobbs.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't I'll get to that when I do down.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't perfect from Josh Dobbs by any means
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: in terms of throwing to Javon Baker. That definitely contributed
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: to the one for seven that Javon Baker had one
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: catch seven targets in the box score. But I just
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: thought with Javon Baker, it's still just isn't fully clicking
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: for Javon Baker. The consistency that you were talking about
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: for Drake may is really there with Javon Baker.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: He has moments, but the route running, I thought there's
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a couple of routes that I thought were ify in
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: the game. You know, does not great job pushing vertical
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: and getting the corner out into space and then kind
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: of breaking down and creating separation at the top of
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: the route. Even the throw that Woolridge completed him, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: thought was he was blanketed. The ball just kind of
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: squeaked through the corner who had his back to the
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: quarterback and didn't know the ball was coming. The throw
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: at the back of the end zone, I kind of
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: thought Javon Baker stopped down on his route, Like if
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: he kept running the back of the end zone there,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a more catchable target. So there's
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: just some little like route running things with him that
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I still think pop up every single time he gets
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of snaps or reps in a practice or
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: a game. That's just you're just missing that last piece
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: for Javon Baker. So I had Javon Baker on the downs.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Oh in the false start, the fall start was he
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: knew it in the moment, like I'm on the bubble,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I'm competing for the roster. I can't be making mental
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: errors like that. So made Javon Baker Kyle Duggar, who
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: was your last one?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Uh? I leave one?
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Oh? Who were your last two?
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Josh Jobs was one.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I had already said my piece about Josh Jobs on
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: our post game show, and I kind of went after
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: him a little bit.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: So I'll just say, like when you're the backup quarterback, right, obviously,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the backupquarterback's not gonna get perfect. I'm just gonna miss
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: him throws you just can't get people hurt. You just
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: can't be leading guys out in traffic. And that's like
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: even the throw to Kyle Williams. I don't hate the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: concept behind it, Like, yeah, he's gonna take a hit there,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: but that's that's big boy football. Sometimes you're gonna go
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: over the middle in the NFL and you're gonna take
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: a hit. But all the more reason that throw needs
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to be at the numbers or lower so he can
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: catch it and get down and protect himself or even
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: like a little behind them, well behind him or somewhere.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: When you put that ball out in front of up
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: over his head, he's now fully exposing himself. I don't
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: remember who's a linebacker, safety, Whoever's lurking there in the middle,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and that's how that happens. So I'm not expecting I'm
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: not expecting Josh Hobsy perfect. He's obviously, I think, been
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a little less than expected throughout the summer. But that's
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: one where like you just I remember a couple of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: years ago when trace McSorley was here and he was
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: the third or fourth string quarterback, and you know, I
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: made a deal about it, and people like, right, he's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: not gonna make the team. W are you talking about it?
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: They were like three or four guys he got hurt
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: because he was just leading them into places that he
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: shouldn't been lead eating them. And then most of them
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: were guys that weren't going to make the roster, but
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: he got It was the year if he was drafted.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: He got Taekwon Thornton hurt, which you know in retrospect,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: but like that's that's the one thing is backup quarterback.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: He can't be putting your guys in harms away, So
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: he's a down. And then Demontre Jacobs was a down
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: for me. Started camp looking like he was going to
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: be in the mix to be the third tackle. Then
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it was you know, Marcus Bryant took priority over him,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: but he was still clearly getting reps with the second unit. Now,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Jacobs has fallen behind Darian Lowe, who also did not
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: have a very good game, but at least he's still
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: in the picture, I think, and let me be clear,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: because they apparently it wasn't clear about it clear enough
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: about this for Felger, I do think there's a chance
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: they find a tackle on waivers who ends up being
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: their fourth tackle. No, that's not an ideal situation. It's
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: better if he's a better player than who you have.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I think you do it, obviously, But Jacobs, it does
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: not look like is going to make the team. I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: think Lowe's ahead of him right now. But I do
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: think there's a room for them to find somebody better.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant's been solid, and if he's your third tackle, okay,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: but he's really young. You know, he's a rookie. He's
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a little more raw. I'd like for them like I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: like him Wore as a developmental player. Let's say something
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: happens where Morgan Moses or Will Campbell is going to
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: miss multiple weeks. Maybe you give Marcus bryan a shot.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to have a little more proven commodity
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: with a slightly higher floor than what they have in
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Darien low Right now, maybe they can't find that guy.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they ultimately can, but I would
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: take a look.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: This is I put this play this was this was
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: a rough film for Demontre Jacobs. This is that was
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: one of the that was bad.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I just on the usage. I was thinking, just
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: on the usage.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: The film was. He was like this was last year.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: He was better than that. Like he wasn't good last year.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I don't get me wrong, but he was better than that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: It was it was a tough watch for him and
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: run and pass block and it was a tough watch. Yeah,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: you're Josh Dobbs point is a good one. I like
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I said, I kind of said my piece to exact
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: same take on post game with him. It was it
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: was really just disappointing from all angles that Kyle Williams
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: getting open in the game again. He actually the ball
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: kind of found him a few times. This time he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: had three catches on three targets to start the game.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: He did hang on to the one where he got
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: lit up. Yeah, And I thought, I that obviously we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: shouldn't get hurt.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I thought he got opened a couple of times with
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Drake in the game too. I mentioned the one earlier,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: and so I felt like a big game was coming
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: for Kyle Williams where he was kind of gonna get
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: some momentum and get some confidence going and then low
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: hol defender drops out sits right there over the middle
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: of the field. Josh Dobbs leads him right into the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: into the robber help and boom out for the game
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: out for all week this week. Who knows if he's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: gonna play tomorrow night or not, but probably not. Like
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: not great, right you have? You finally had a shiny
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: new toy and then the shiny new toy broke right,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: and that's that's never great. So that's three up, three down.
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• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: came out and said that they'd be absolutely well, they'd
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: absolutely do anything to help the team, including some high
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: round draft picks in the trade talk for any player
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: that would help the team. What player do you guys think?
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  Speaker 6: What he what's he talking about. I know there's probably
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  Speaker 6: a mix of players that could really help the team,
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  Speaker 6: or you know, another like a Trey Hendrickston.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you guys think could be Okay, Yeah, thanks
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you go back and listen to how the question
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• 1:03:23
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  Speaker 1: feel that would make the team better? Like in the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: short term, obviously it would. Do they feel like ultimately
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: they'd be in a better position as an organization. Some
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: people would probably argue, no, would you trade a first
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: for Michaeh Parsons? Absolutely, hell yeah. It's gonna cost a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: lot more than just one first to trade for Michael Parsons,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: So don't I don't know how much weight you put
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: into that answer.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess, like, let's just I'm back because
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: if people, I'm sure is gonna be a lot of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: the questions today, you know, what would you trade? I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: want to take Micah out of it, because I would
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: not trade what it would cost to get Micaeh Parsons,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. I don't think that Michael
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Parsons is getting traded because of that.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I think he has to. I mean Jerry, him and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones have been hurling insults at each other.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I think they're headed for a divorce. I don't think
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: it's today, Like, I don't think this is happening this
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: at this time.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Period of n I think he's just gonna sit out games.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I doesn't seem that kind of guy.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's happening now. Maybe in the off season.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe I when his contract of like is really at
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Have I told you my like tinfoil hat idea?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Sure? I don't think so.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: So I scratch your back, your scratch mine. Yeah, Michael
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Parsons for Trey Hendrickson in a first The Bengals issue
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: with Hendrickson is his age. The Cowboys issue with Michaeh
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Parsons is him and the owner hate each other.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe Trey Hendrickson hates Jerry Jones too. I don't know.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: It's possibility, But doesn't that kind of solve everybody's problems.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a bad trade idea. So now let's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: talk about a tree hand. So I'm taking Micah Parsons
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: off the table because I think if you're gonna trade,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: it's not it's not totally.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Let's just to actually play it out for the people
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: who wonder.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I think it would take like what Clil Mack got
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: traded for a couple of years.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: First round picks.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two first round picks plus plus.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. If well, he's gonna be worth
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: more than Khalil Mack because he's older, he's younger, and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: he's had more production A.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Little bit younger, I mean, Cleio Mack was a great player.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Parsons better in the position, he's.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Better, but we're not Cleo Mack.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's three first, okay, even if it's two,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have multiple needs they need to address
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: before their contender. Yeah, Michaeh Parsons alone doesn't make them
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: a contender. Case in point, on a better roster in Dallas.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: How much playoff successes Michael Parsons brought them.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not totally fair. Like there's there's twenty
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: one Patriots and Cowboys, probably the Cowboys, but like, it's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: not just Michaeh Parsons's problem that they can't win in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Right because the talent around him is not enough. But
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the talent around him is not enough there what situation here?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: And the way to add that talent is going to
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: be through the draft, and now you're giving up those picks.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: So I feel trust me, I feel kind of gross
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: saying no to Michael Parsons. But the Patriots is just
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: not in that spot. I think it's a contender that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: feels they're a step away. It's Kansas City, it's the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: usual suspects. It's Kansas City, it's Buffalo They're not gonna
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: trade him the Eagles, so they're gonna trade in the division.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: You know, do the Bengals get creative and put trade
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Efferckson on the table? Those are the teams you're talking about.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think Michael Parson's getting
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: trade is on the table because I think the asking.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying if he does. If he does, the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Riots are not the kind of team that's trading for him.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think any team's trading for him. Honestly. Hendricks
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about Trey Hendrickson, because this one,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I do feel like is a little bit more real,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: and not just in terms of the Patriots interest, but
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: just in terms of getting him getting dealt Because a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: big reason in my mind why a guy like Marca
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Parsons isn't getting traded is because the absolute boat that
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: you were going to have to give the Cowboys to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: get him out of Dallas is insane. Like the trade
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: package you're gonna have to put together to get Micah
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Parsons out of Dallas is going to be incredibly astronomically
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: high asking price. I don't think that that's necessarily the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: case for Trey Hendrickson. This is a guy that's disgruntled
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: with the contract. He's thirty. He's a pass rusher that's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: on the wrong side of the thirty years old threshold.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: So you're looking at Trey Hendrickson as like a two
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: to three year player and that sort of window. So
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think that you're going to have to give
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: up two first round picks and maybe even more for
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: a guy like Trey Hendrickson. If I was the Patriots,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that this would.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Get it done.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: If I was the Patriots, I might think about offering
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: a second round picking Keon White for Trey Hendrickson. I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: think that that's probably where I would go, Like, here's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: you know, key On White still young. Yeah, potentially a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: sending player that plays the same position. It's it's swapping,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: you know, in one in, one out. Maybe if you're
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: the Bengals, you ask for a player in the secondary too,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: because their secondary is not good.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar, take them.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Kyle Duggar. I've heard Marcus Jones's name thrown out there,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: just because you know Alex Austin's ascension.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I'd rather trade Kyle Duggar.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think everybody would rather trade Kyle Dugger,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: but something like that for Trey Hendrickson. If the Patriots
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: are as interested as some of the reporting that's out there,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's totally like the Bengals are
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: so clicking and hanging up the phone on that.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: The thing you have there that's nice is remember how
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: for years and years the Patriots just churned out corners
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: like Udfa's late round picks because that was the coaching
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: staff specialty. Mike Pellegrino obviously tremendously talented cornerbacks coach. Isn't
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that supposed to be with this team miss in the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: front seven with this coaching staff is so I trust them,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: you know, to find a pass rusher in a fourth threat.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Britain Swinton, maybe it's a lashaponder, right, So
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I do still think they'll have that younger guy in
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: the pipeline. I would probably do that. The problem is, like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: so I had Trags on the radio on Saturday to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: talk about this. Trags made it sound like the Bengals
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: want a first plus. Trags made it sound like the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Bengals listening, And I don't want to put words in
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: his mouth. That just texted him to kind of make sure.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: But the gist of what he said was basically, the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Bengals taking calls on Trey Hendrickson doesn't necessarily mean the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Bengals are about to trade Trey Hendrickson. The Bengals taking
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: calls on Trey Hendrickson is more about, well, while this
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: nonsense is going on, let's see if somebody will get stupid.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Let's see if somebody will give us a first and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: something right. And if nobody gives them that. Trags seem
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: to think Hendrickson will ultimately cave and play on the contract.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I think that might be the most realistic thing. No,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: the reason why I said, I think Trey Hendrickson, Micah Parsons,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: and Terry McLaurin to me are pie in the sky.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: I think those are dreams, pipe dreams.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving that door open from mclorn a little bit,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit pipe dream a little bit.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: At your organization, man, it's a different ownership, I know, different.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: They have a different everything's different. They have a different owner,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: they have a different general manager.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Different owners have like not many.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Dan Snyder owned the team for like our whole.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Life, not them, but like there's other organizations that's that.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: That's just who they are in all of sports, in
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: all of sports, that happens.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: It's different with with Trey Hendrickson. No, I think that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: there is some real smoke to him potentially getting traded.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that it gets the deal done.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: That's just if I'm the Patriots, you make that offer,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: right like you you put it on the table, and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: a deal for Trey Hendrickson, like I said, and to me,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: it would be Hendrickson for Kean White second round pick,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: and then maybe if they want one of your your
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: defensive backs, you can throw one of the defensive backs
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: from YouTube?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Do you not?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: Like Christian Gonzales?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: But like, do you think that's a wow offer?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: No? I think that's a fair.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, That's the thing I think with the Bengals, it's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: not here's all the offers, let's pick the best one.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's if somebody wows us will trade them
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: We want But I'm just not going any further.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not either that's it. What about this one? And
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not the Bengals would do this.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it technically is more and by
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the way text of Trags, he said the Bengals might
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: be looking for a first and second or first and third.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the point. What if the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Bengals look at it and say, Okay, Trey Hendrickson in
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: are first for your first, essentially one of those NBA
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: like pick swap trades.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think they would do that, the Bengals.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: That's what they think of Drake May.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: I think the Bengals are gonna want are gonna don't
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: want to win that trade vi al inside. I don't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: think they're gonna do something that would be my offer.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Every looks Trags is there. Trags knows Trags did not
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: think he was going to be traded.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I disagree with Trags. I'm just
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: saying or challenge, you know, the great tracks, challenging his his, uh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: his information. I'm just saying, if I was the Patriots,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: if I was Elliott Wolf, I would pick up the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: phone and I would say to the Bengals, this is
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: our offer, and I would offer a second, our second
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: round pick in twenty twenty six Kean White, and they
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: can they can pick from, you know, a bile of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: our corners or defensive backs that we don't really.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think that gets it done.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think it gets it done. If it's the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: offer I'm.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Making, Oh, then he's not coming here.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: So because the other thing, I'm not putting it past
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: some team that's you know again on the line. You know,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Eagles of thirty million dollars in cap space.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because Howie Roseman's a genius, right.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: What's stopping Howie from flipping from college Eagles being like,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: here's our first Nothing like that makes sense to me.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Nothing I could see that it would be unfair.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: So can can I talk about a little bit more
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: of a realistic trade scenarios? Because I know everybody wants
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: to talk Hendrickson and Parsons and McLaurin. There's a some
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: reporting out there, various reports. Now all this scuttle butts
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: starting to reach the surface that the Vikings, the forty
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: nine ers, Yeah, is the third team. There's a third
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: team that are shopping for veteran wide receiver.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: The Steelers. Steelers, their wide receiver room is not good.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: I'll figure out, I'll find it. But it was definitely
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: the Vikings in the forty nine ers. I know that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: those two teams so.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: One of the best coaches in Kyle Shanan.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: The Patriots. The one thing that they might have that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: might not have a tremendous value. We're not talking about
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Trede Hendrick sent is Kendrick Bourne. And I wonder if
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is a potential trade. And I know everybody
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: is saying, well, what are you really going to get
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: back for Kendrick Bourne? Well, isn't there a world where
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: they get the old I always go back to Jacoby
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Brissett for Philip dor Sat. I don't know why, it's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: just the trade. I always go back to, Yeah, isn't
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: there a world where they could get they could trade
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: from a position of quote unquote depth with a team
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: that is trying to fill a need and trade from
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: their depth. Let's say, I don't know, just spitballing left
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: guard center in that's your offensive line, even backup tackle,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: backup tackle. I'm not saying that you're getting a starting
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: caliber player out of one of these teams, but maybe
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: you can get somebody that you like a little bit
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: more than the guys that you have in here At
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: one of those spots for a player like Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: who if healthy, if he is healthy, can go someplace
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: else and contribute. He can be the third receiver in Minnesota.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: Right He can fill Jordan Addison's shoes for four weeks
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: until Jordan Addison comes back from that suspension and then
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: be the third receiver in Minnesota. I wonder if maybe that,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: if we're talking about realistic trades and we're getting rid
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: of the big star names that everybody's bringing up, I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: feel like the more realistic trade is the Patriots taking
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: a guy like Kendrick Bourne and trading him for to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: floridify their depth at another position like tackle guard, something
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Real quick on Steel's wide receiver. Yeah, it's not good
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: after DK Metcalf. Yeah, I'm just reading alphabetically here, Calvin Austin,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson, Lance McCutcheon, Scottie Miller is still in the league,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: ben'scronic Keishawn Williams, Roman Wilson, and Robert Woods and they
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: worked out Gave Davis the other day.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, so the Jets are the third team, which I
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: doubt the Patriots would probably not deal with the Jets.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: But it's the Jets. This is Diana Russina Jets, forty
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: nine Ers, Vikings Jets.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I trade Jalen Polk to the Jets.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: So is there a trade? And you know, just looking
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: at the forty nine ers like offensive line depth chart,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: there's nothing that like really stands out to me. But
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: is there just a trade with one of those teams
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: the Vikings who you just saw by the right.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: So I want to ask you that because Matt Doloffe
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: actually wrote this morning on ninety eight five the sports
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: sub I noted, I don't I got to pull up
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: the thing here. I apologize, Mat, actually haven't read it yet.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I was going to do it when I got home,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: he mentioned. He mentioned I usually do it while making dinner.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: He mentions Justin's school scully left tack the backup tackle there.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: They also have. They have a couple, you know, backup
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: left tackles. I think he's the favorite to win the job.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe not him, but he mentions Walter Rouse as well.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: But any of these guys, Walter Rouse, Justin Schooley, Logan Brown,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: who I think the Patriots worked out before the draft,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, tackle from Kansas. Yeah, we know
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Bill used to do this right, you go to the
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: joint practice, you see a player you like, you Adam right,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: did any of the vikings and all open up to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: guards too, But you were there any of their depth
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: offensive linemen stand out to He was like, yeah, this
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: guy like you kind of made note of him.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: The one guy that I that has been around and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: has I believe started some games in this in the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: league is Blake Brendle, who's a guard, could play left guard.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: He was the starter for them.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: I don't believe so because they drafted Donovan Jackson. Oh
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: that's right, so I think he's gonna start. But Blake
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: Brendle has been a starter in the past. Like maybe
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: you look at him and say, think that he's better
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: than Ben Brown?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Did he have a good week last week?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Better than Garrett Bradberry. He's just somebody that I noted
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: on their roster. I'm not going to sit here and
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: say I, like, you know, studied Blake Brendle every second
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: of the practice. But that was I mean the one
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: guy that I went to tackle that was really impressive
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: throughout the entire week. But I assume they're going to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: keep him. As Elijah Williams the defensive tackle. He had
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: a great game, great practice. He was really disruptive. But
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna make their roster, and you know,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I think he's someone they have plans for.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean they the Patriots could use nother defensive tackle. Yeah,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: pull up a Vikings ross projection. Let's see, is he not?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: What was his name?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Elijah Williams. Yeah, he's He's a good player. He's kind
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: of like a you know, similar body type I would
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: say to like Jeremiah Farms, but maybe a little bit
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: more active than Jeremiah Farms.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: First ross projection. I pulled up the Vikingsage dot com
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: does not have him on.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's on.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: But how about the Star Tribune.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Uh, let me look up real quick. This is a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: good rate. This is a good rat.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Great, just me reading roster projection.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: So Blake Brendle, just to tell you, last year he
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: started seventeen games for the Vikings.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I thought I was seven. I think he played in seventeen.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: No, he started seventeen. I'm looking at it right now.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Started seventeen games last year. So he's a full time
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: starter for the Vikings last year at left guard. I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: just wonder if that's like a spot that they look
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: at right, left guard, maybe center, but I think between Wilson, Brown,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: and Bradbury they probably can find a center out of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: those three guys. Left guard is maybe the one position
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: that if you can fortify that and then Wilson comes along,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit slower, but eventually as your starting
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: center this year. I don't know that's just me spitballing,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: but I feel like that's if you want to be
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: realistic of like what trade could the Patriots actually make.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's more in the wheelhouse and not
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: the Micah Parsons Trey Hendrickson splash.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: So for what it's worth having, I just pulled up
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: five roster projections for the Vikings. For them were fan blogs,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: but I didn't find their guy from the athletic. None
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: of them have Elijah Williams making the team.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I just maybe I just sniped that maybe
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: you found a guy a lot, but he's a defensive tackle.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily what we all had
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: in mind, but.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: But I mean the Patriots could use some defensive tackle depth.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Spencer beaufort Is on the forty nine
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: ers roster. I don't know what's happening with him. You know,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: Trent Williams is obviously their starting left tackle. But with
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Trent Williams, he's always in and out, you know, in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: terms of health and all that kind of stuff. You know,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: they have to manage him, they don't. They have Matt
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: Hennessy on their roster too, as a backup center who's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: played a little bit in Atlanta and stuff like that.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: More of like a zone center, but kind of like
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: a Bradbury. Honestly, it's similar kind of players. But some
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: of those rosters I would look at if I was
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: the Patriots and the Vikings in the forty nine ers
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: call and say, hey, like, what do you want for
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne? I'd want a player.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Give me a backup player. We'll give you our backup player.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. I'm with you, all right, Let's get back
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: to the calls. Patty is an aguan. What's up, Patty?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: How good signer for leaving you on hold?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: That's sorry.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: I was hoping he'd give me a little bit of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: a vine too of him, because I got a long
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 8: way to get to Grahama's house. But I will get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: to my question. I found it interesting, really interesting yesterday
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 8: as she started bringing up Drake May and his processing
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: skills on to you and then you know, you had
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: an excellent open and then set the table excellently today
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 8: because I was gonna call yesterday uh to you and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: asking that before you even brought it up. And I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: think a lot of times, you know, us New England fans,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 8: maybe the younger ones get a little bit impatient what
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: they've seen over the last few years and don't realize
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: that this kid's going to be twenty three there. I mean,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: their their roster isn't where it needs to be yet.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: And if you look at like and Alex you brought
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: this up earlier, look at all these guys that have
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: come into the league mostly like if you, if you've
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: played three to five years in college football and you're good,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: it's going to translate. I think the one guy beside
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 8: from May that only played two years in college and
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: came in and has a superpower as Joe Burrow. His
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: processing speed in my opinion and skills is better than
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: anybody's in the NFL's right now. So it's gonna take time.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: That's that's kind of what I wanted to get at.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 8: But my question regarding Drake May and his processing is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: do you think there's anyway Josh can help him, like
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: pre snap, before the before the sound goes out in
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: his helmet, he says, you know, something like, hey, if
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 8: they wrote Tate coverage this way, you know, maybe look here,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 8: look here, or if they do this, you know, do this.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 8: You know, I know it's it's kind of stupid and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: you know, kind of enough too sway to ask it,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: but is there anything that Josh can do to help them,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: you know, help him along the way before he gets
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 8: really good at reading defenses. And that's all I got.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 8: I'll take it out there, guys.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Patty absolutely, but I talked about that on the broadcast. Yeah,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: but I do think that some somewhat of his a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: slippery slope because you don't want to put too much
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: information in his head, right, So yeah, but I you know,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Josh doing that. I'm just saying like,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: at some point he's got to play well.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: So this is what McVeigh did. McVeigh would be in.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: High to the Patriots combat that they spun it.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: They just waited till that fifteen second mark hit and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: then they did everything. But yeah, no, he can be
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: in his ear saying check this, watch that. Like Evan said,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: it's a fine line. You want to help him out,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: but at a certain point you want to take the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: training wheels off. And you know, teams may wait until
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: after that fifteen second mark when the head set shuts off,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: to really declare what they're doing defensively, So you don't
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: want to solely rely on that. But Josh can do that.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: And so what I was referencing from the broadcast Drake May.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I think it was Drake may Wright or was it
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: McDaniels who had told him. No, was Drake may told
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Zoe in a production meeting that McDaniels in his headset
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: much more than Alex van Pelt was last year. Van
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: pell would basically read the play and be done with it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Now those plays are much longer. I don't know how
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: much more time they had, but McVeigh would not McVeigh
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Van Pelt would would read the plane and be done
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: with it. He didn't say what else McDaniels is saying,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: but he said McDaniels is basically in his ear up
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: to that fifteen second park. So I do think there
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: was some of that going on.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And I think that can be really valuable.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: And like to Patty's point, it might be something like,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna trust you to read the initial coverage of
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: what the shell that they're in, but just in the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: back of your mind, like, okay, it's third and six,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: and situationally, from a tendency standpoint, Brian Flores really likes
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: cover two in third and six, Like that's just a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: coverage that they really like at this down and distance.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: These are all things that NFL coaching staffs scout ahead
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: of time, is down in distance, situational tendencies, like what
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: are the teams like to play in these situations? So
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: maybe they get to the line of scrimmage and you know,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: they're looking out at it and Josh McDaniels is like, huh,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: that looks like it's this, but I know that they
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: actually really like to play man in this situation even
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: though this looks like zone. And he could say to Drake, hey,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: just just keep in the back of your mind that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: this could be this could be man, right right. That
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: type of thing absolutely could be helpful and hopefully that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: is where they get to it. So I'm interested to
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: see where that relationship goes, because I think that was
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: a really good story that they told on the broadcast, which,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: by the way, just quick aside. I don't watch a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: lot of the game broadcasts, Humble Breck, but I was
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: home for the game on Saturday because I was doing
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: the our pre and post game show instead. They did
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: a great job, Zoe and the McCarty's, I think are great.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: It's not the traditional play by play color guy, but
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: their insight into breaking down the game is especially the McCarty's,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Like the thing that I think it was Devin. Sorry,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: I sometimes it's hard to tell which one is Devin,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: which one's Jason, just by their voice. But Devin was
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: talking about the quarterback can like place the ball in
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: a certain spot to force the receiver to turn that
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: way because like he can see the receiver's back as
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: to the defense, but the quarterback can see it. You
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: can see where the space is in the defense. So
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: he's talking about how Dobbs put the ball on Chisholm's
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: inside hip and Chishms spun outside, and he was like,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: I bet you Dobbs wanted him to spin inside. Like
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: just little insights like that we're really really good on
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: the broadcast. I think this says pc P seas in Virginia.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: What's up, hello, guys.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: I want to make sure you got to Henry before
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: I start talking to you.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're good.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay. The thing is like lot you want at
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: the same time making excuses about, you know, by Drake
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: May's you know time in college and this and that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: and the third. But the thing about it is that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: this team, the progress is going to hinge on his
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: ability to dover the ball accurately and be able to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: read the field. Because even with some of these teams
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: that you guys attend to old rape far as the
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: so called contenders or contenters whatever, they're pretty much in
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: the same but as New England right now. I mean,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: like I say that they don't have world beats an
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: office line, they don't have World beats a receiver a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: couple of teams do, but they able but their corta,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: they're able to deliver the ball and the field well
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: enough to keep it pushing like New England is right now.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: And that that's different because if you've stacked roster or whatever,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: and it's not too much different. But these other teams,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: the players. You really actually have some players out to
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: ask compete. Now, I'm like, you know, you know, that's
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: what we have to say that for the first time
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: in the last four years. So Drinke May does better
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: at those things, those some of those things they think
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: you have to compete taking compete well.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: And if he does better those of those things, Yeah,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: thanks for the call, PC. I think I got most
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: of that. I think that. Look, I'm not trying to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: make excuses for Drake May. I'm not trying to excuse him.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Like we broke down the entire game and the things
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: that went wrong for him in that game. So I'm
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: not trying to excuse him. All I'm telling you is
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: is that you got to be a little bit patient,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Like we got to give this a little bit of
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: time before we start making declarations. Is he or isn't
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: he the guy? Or you know, is he or isn't
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: he a killer? Is he or isn't he clutch? Like
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: I hear all these things. We talked about the whole
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: clutch thing yesterday, and this is going to gets bogged
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: down if I go on this direction. But I'm going
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: to go there anyways, about like clutch and you know
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: the nerds and clutch doesn't exist, and so they they
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: were teasing me about that, and like all these different
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: types of thing, think it exists. I do, but I'm
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: probably a little bit more reluctant than you want me
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: to be about it. I can't grow up in I.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Mean, I was gonna say, you watched Tom Brady for
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: how many years?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: I can't grow up in an era of Boston sports
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: with David Ortiz and Tom Brady and think that clutch.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Seen that video of the Oklahoma State to you ever
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: seen that video of the Oklahoma State quarterback? I forget
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: They're on the road somewhere. There's like two minutes ago,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: it's a close game. He's taking the shotgun snap and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you can literally see his hands shaking. Yes, you ever
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: seen that? Watch that and tell me clutch doesn't exist.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Some people are built for it mentally, other people's aren't.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: You can't qualify that, you can't quantify that.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: I know, I'm not arguing with you.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: Only thing that I brought up, and you know this
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: is a bigger thing that I really didn't want to
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: do today, but whatever, the only thing that I brought
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: up was that the athletes of today, the modern athlete.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: And I do this all the time, and I brought
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: him up yesterday. I do this all the time with
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, who you know, I would go to bat
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: four any day of the week. Where Jason Tatum, the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: same way as a lot of athletes nowadays, gets labeled
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: as somebody that's not that alpha, that's not that competitive,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, hates to lose so bad
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: that he you know, is maniacal. He's not clutch. I
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: hear that all the time, right about Jason Tatum. He's
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: not clutch. You don't trust him late in games, like
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: all this type of stuff. I think you hear it
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, maybe not as loudly, but
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: a little bit about like a like a David Pasternak, right,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: like he's not he's a great player, but he's like
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: a winning player, right, these types of things. And I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: just my whole thing about Dot Combat, Yeah, my whole
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: thing is is just like maybe that's just not how
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of these kids are wired, and maybe we
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: just kind of have to give up on the Brady's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: and the Jordans and like the maniacal competitors like I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: think Mahomes is probably the closest thing that we have.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Burrow certainly has it, Yeah, but it's really not you know,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Lamar gets gets you know, brated for this all the
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: time that he doesn't have the winning gene.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen doesn't. But how's he done late in some
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: of these playoff games.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: So I just say, like, let's just give it time.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Let's give Drake some grace, Let's give it time. Let's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: not get impatient with his development. If we're still talking
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: about all these different things and all these issues in
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: these peaks and valleys and these inconsistencies at this time
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: next year, then we can start having the real conversation
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: of whether or not he's the guy or not. He
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: gets three years. In my mind, he has three years
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: to make it happen, because then you have to make
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: a decision on the fifth year option, you have to
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: start contract starts to matter. So in my mind, he
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: gets three years. I'm giving him this entire year as
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: a developmental year. Once we get into next season and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: we are in this spot next season, sorry, if he
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: doesn't start to show that he's rounding out and the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: consistency is leveling off, then we can start to have
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: these other conversations. Until then, it's way too ear in
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: my mind.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like he's got to show some progress
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a developmental year.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Got to go up, He's got to go up. But yeah,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: it's you know, usually midway through year two you kind
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: of have an idea because you got to decide when
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: you want to start doing work on the quarterback last.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's take Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean?
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, Yeah, you were talking about chism earlier, but
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 9: I want to go a little deeper in terms of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 9: predicting where he's going to be. I mean, I see
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 9: like a ceiling as the twenty thirteen Patriots with Edelman
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: and Amadola, And in that season, Amadola was second on
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 9: the team to Edelman in terms of receiving yards. I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 9: don't know if that's too crazy to even put as
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 9: a ceiling for a guy who's, you know, an undrafted rookie. Now,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 9: do you do you see him like as being the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: sixth receiver when he makes a team, or do you
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 9: think he's moved ahead of Boudet and and and maybe
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: even mac mccollins seems like he's playing really well and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 9: it's really import next. So do you see that Josh
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 9: bringing in that same kind of plan where you're using
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 9: the players like him and Pop on the field at
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 9: the same time. Where where do you think it'll go?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 9: All right, I'll leave it.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: With that, thanks, Sean. I think we could get there.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: I think we're still a little bit early, is what.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: I mean by not getting heead of it, And yes,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: it is exactly what I was talking about. So Danny
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: and Mondola is a five year NFL VET, big free
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: agency at that point, playing an offense that also included
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski playing for Tom Brady or with Tom Brady,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: and by the way, second on the team in terms
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: of pass catching fifty four catches, six hundred yards, like
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: that's don't be wrong. It's a solid year, but that's
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: not ipop that's not usually your second receiver. Just all
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: ran through Edelman that year. That's too high a ceiling.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: That's too high of a ceiling. He hasn't pought passed
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Kishon Boody, he hasn't passed mccollins because he's not he
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: hasn't Like we're watching them in practice, he's not out
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: there within.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: He's very much.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Barely he's a nice has he caught a pass from
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Drake May I think this summer, but it's we can
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: count on the elevens and I think you got them
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: on one finger if there is one. And I don't
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: mean to disparage the kid again, he's been great, but
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: and I feel like we do this at times, and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: I've been guilty of this because we're not talking about
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: the top of the depth chart this time of year,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: last week and a half, the preseasons all about the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: bubble unless there's like left guards different because there's two
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: guys battling for a starting job. We're not talking about
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: the guys that are entrenched in their positions. We did
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: that at the start of camp. We gave Kaishun Booty
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: a ton of flowers for the progress he's made and
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: continues to make. We covered that it happened he's going
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: to be one of their top receivers. There's not much
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: new there to talk about. We've moved on to talking
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: about the bottom of the depth chart. If Fton Chishen
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: was going to pass Kaishon, Boody and mac hollins, we'd
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: have seen the evidence of it. Because he would have
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: passed them in terms of reps, like, that's literally what
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: that is. Mac Hollins is out there getting as many
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: reps as anybody. Kaishon Booty is still out there consistently.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: So Chisholm is a good developmental player. I think there
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: might be a couple of packages for him in the offense.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think you won't see him him being a
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: featured player. I want to pull up with Danny A.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Mondola's snap percentage was that year if I can find it, Like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know for me, Chisholm, if he's around twenty percent,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good number. Danny Mandola was on
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: the field sixty two percent of the time for the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Patriots that season, im pending injuries. I don't see Chishm
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: getting there this year.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Again, the role. When I talk about him in that role,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, like how you're designing the plays for him.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're gonna call that plays at
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: those plays at that rate right away.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: He is on the team, He's made the team. We've
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: both of us feel that way. But yeah, and barring
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: an injury, I would say to probably both Diggs and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas because to me, that's really what this is.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Like Diggs, I think, is going to be your your
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: starting Z or your primary zer receiver, and then Pop
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: is going to be like a Z slot. And so
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: in order for Afton Chisen to play, it significant the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: mat where we can start talking about him having actual
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: volume stats, like he's gonna have to get on in
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: the field over those two guys, which is only happening
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: if there's an injury. Yeah, so if Pop gets hurt,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: then there's probably more one for one there with Chishm
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: to get playing time. Diggs, I think is a little
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: bit of a different thing, like Digg's gonna play a
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: lot on the outside. I don't think Chishm's playing on
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: the outside.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Diggs gets hurt, I think that probably means either more
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: of Hollands and Booty on the field together or maybe
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: that's where more Kyle Williams Kyle come in, right, yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Right, So I think that it's really Pop and if
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: Pop gets hurt, knock on wood that he doesn't, but
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: if he does, then maybe there's a path for Fton
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: Chisen to play. And that happened for Edelman like that
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Welker got hurt and Edelman played, so that that happened
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: for for Edelman, so it's not totally out of the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: realm of possibility, but we hope that doesn't happen. And injury.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Ronk got hurt in thirteen, right, and that allowed them
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: they because of that, they play more left in Edling
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: a lot more time on this.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: So I want to get to a preview sort of
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: preview slash bubble talk here in a second, but the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: calls are just rolling. Take a few more. Brad is
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: in Ohio. What's up, Brad?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: Hey, how you guys doing today?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: Uh, just a couple of questions I have for you
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: and stuff I've heard each of you talk about in
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: the past, and and just an observation that in my opinion,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: Drake mays an a plus D pastor when Brady was
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: a B plus. And so that's that, I mean, it's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: just my take of you know, long life Patriot fans.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: And so that being said, if we take Josh McDaniel's offense,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: and and Evan's even mentioned this about shorter receivers running
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: over the middle like deep overs, it seems Drake struggles
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: with those kind of plays. Can we like, do you
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: think McDaniels can tailor the offense and become more vertical,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 7: given the wide receivers would allow him to do that
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: throughout the season and use more different route concepts to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 7: be different than a Brady type offense that you know,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: was basically.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: A lot of over the middle.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: Brady was the best at that and Drake struggles with it.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 7: So what do you guys think about that?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, thanks for the call, Brad. So I
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: do think that there were iterations of the Brady offense
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: that were more down the field. So obviously with Randy
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Moss was here, but even like in twenty seventeen with
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks, they added a more vertical element to the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: passing game. So I think there were and we've talked
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: about Kyle Williams Brandon Cooks like that sort of being
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: an overlap in terms of usage of the routes that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: they were going to have Kyle Williams run. I still
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: kind of feel that way that there could be some
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: overlap there if you go back to seventeen Cooks. I
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: brought up the size thing yesterday on PU with Pop
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: because if you're going to target a receiver down the field,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: you know ten fifteen twenty plus yards down the field,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: that's five foot eight. Like, that's that's not a very
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: big target to hit, right, it's a smaller catch radius
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: to hit. Not to mention, even if you're putting some
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: air under it, like is he gonna be able to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: go above and win the ball and you're not gonna
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: throw a jump ball to Pop Douglas. That's the point
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: I was making. The one thing that I would say,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: because I think Pop has nine things over Efton Chism.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: I think he's faster, I think he's quicker. I think
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: he's more dynamic with the ball in his hands. The
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: one thing that I would say that Efton Chism has
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: is a little bit more size. He's a little bit
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: of a bigger target than Pop Douglas is. So it's
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: not nothing I do. I've noticed that the last two years,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: this year in camp and then last year at times
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: with Pop, like there would just be throws with Pop
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: that were just a little too far in front or
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: a little bit too far ahead of, you know, over
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: his head. It was just these little like little ball
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: placement things that Yeah, it could have been communication, it
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: could have been you know, this route was breaking at
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: five steps and he broke it at three or these
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: little minutias that they coaching staff last year brought up
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: at times with pop. But I also think an element
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: of it is that he's five foot eight and he
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: just doesn't have a great catch radius. You know, He's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: just not a very big target down the field. So
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: that that's part of it. Now, that's not really a
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: big concern when you start talking about first level targets.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: It's just when you start to work your way down
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: the field. You know, when he's winning on a linebacker,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: you know, splitting the safeties in cover two and he's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: winning a foot racer with the linebacker, but it's going
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: to be like a forty yard bomb into the end zone.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Like that's a little bit of a harder throw to
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: make when you don't have somebody that you can trust
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: to go up and win the ball. So it's just
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: a little thing that I've noticed. It's not like anything major,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: But hopefully that answered the question. All right, A last
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: call here that I want to get to our preview
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: of tomorrow night Z is in Western mass what's ups hi?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: How you guys doing. I'm just mad at everybody. Why
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: did everybody have to get on Drake May when Rabel
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: didn't you know, why didn't he do the same thing
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: as the Vikings in Chicago did? What's their offensive That's
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: all I got to say, thank you?
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I think as he's saying that they make
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: enough improvements on the offensive.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Line, I don't know that or if he wants the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: The blame to go to the offensive line or well.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Or did he mean like hiring Ben Johnson in Chicago,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: maybe they could have done more for their offensive line. Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I think we said that at the time. The unit
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: is what is at this point.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: I think they could have done one thing more and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: I think that that would which is something we banged
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: the table for on this show, which was signing a
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: veteran left.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Guard or trading for Joe Toney.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I get, like, Joe Toney is a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollar a year player, So like that, if
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: you're if you're trading for Joe's if you're trading Joe Tuney, though,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: then you're you're taking somebody else that you signed off
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: the roster. This is how it works. Like you know
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: that you're not going to just show out. It's not
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: like they could have had Joe Toney and right like
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: it was going to be Joe Toney in.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: This case, I think they could have In this case,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: I think they could have.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: All I was all I wanted out of left guard
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: was the Morgan Moses of left guards, Like who is
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: the veteran left guard on the market that you can
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: sign to a one or two year deal to hold
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: down the position for twenty twenty five as you start
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: to develop some of the depth and some of the
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: draft picks that you've made on the interier Jared Wilson,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Leaden Robinson, Kayden Wallace, like, whatever the case may be,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: they didn't do that. So if you want to second
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: guess them on the left guard spot, that's why I
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: brought it up as potentially trading for one at this
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: time of.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Year or and I want to make sure my take
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't get misconstrued. How I say this. I like Jared Wilson,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: I like to pick. I think Jared Wilson's their center
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: of the future. I think drafting him made a ton
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: of sense if they're gonna play him at center, if
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: they knew they were going to be so locked in
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: on Gear Bradbury, and maybe that's ultimately won't be the case.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Like this is why this is a weird take, but
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: like from what we've seen, it's been a ton of
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: gear Bradberry at center. If they knew, look, we can't
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: have a rookie center, we need a veteran and Garrett's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. Maybe taking a guard there instead.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: But I like they took Jared Wilson. I would just
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: like to see them play him at his natural position.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: They feel like he can get what I'm saying, Like,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Jared Wilson was a bad pick,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: but so I asked Doug Moroun when we had the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: offensive coaches and not the defense. But the response that
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: he had to my question about playing Jared Wilson at
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: guard was that Jared Wilson swung at both guards, as
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: he's like to say, plays both guard spots and practice
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: at Georgia, and given the fact that he was going
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: up against Jalen Carter and all those Jordan Davis and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: all these beasts at Georgia on the defensive line every day,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: they felt like he had enough reps and was battle
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: tested enough at guard to maybe play guard and flex
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: the guard even though he didn't play guard in a
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: game at Georgia. I'm with you, though, like I think
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: that that's it's different. It's different to do it in
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: practice again on the scout team, compared to doing it
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: in a game, even at the college level.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: That's different. So that was sort of what the answer
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: that he gave me. But I hear I would have personally,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: I would have signed Like I said, I would have
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: gone out and signed them. Morgan Moses have left guards.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: I would have plugged him in at left guard for
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: the year. I would have trained Garrett Wilson or Caro
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Wilson Jared Wilson at center, and hopefully halfway through this season,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Jared Wilson's your center. You have a stop gap left guard,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: and the next offseason you go back into the well
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: to find a true left guard of the future. Yeah,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: that was the one second guest that you have now
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: to me though, like as much as we can second
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: guess them on that, you also have to give them
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: credit for signing Morgan Moses and drafting Bill Campbell because
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: the one thing we haven't talked about is tackle.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've we said this going to the off season,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: they were not gonna be able to fix the entire
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: line in one year, and we knew that.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: Frankly, if the one spot that they couldn't fix was
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: left guard, I'd rather be left guard than left tackle.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, But the fact it's now becoming both left guard
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: and centers, what's a little worrying to me?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you there, No, it's the interior.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: It's funny. And we were harping tackle tackle tackle, Well
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: they did, you know, sign one and draft one at
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: tackle that. Oh we actually got Soto. Why did that
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: not hit me? We finally got so that kind of
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: stabilized that for the time being. And now all of
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: a sudden, all the problems are happening in the ind here.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: So it just moves aloud. All right, let's talk bubble,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Let's talk tomorrow night against the Giants. Last fifteen minutes here.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I want to read this email really quickly because I
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: think this sets up the conversation. Not well, this is.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: The YouTube chat. Seems to think we have a bunch
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: of good emails.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, sure, this is from Ben and North andover. He
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: has some like roster clarification questions which I think are
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: important for this conversation. So the emergency third quarterback. I'll
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: just sum it up here. You cannot use the practice
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: squad elevation to make the quarterback eligible. Correct. That is correct.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: In order to make the third quarterback active on game
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: day or designate him, I should say on game day,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: he has to be on your fifty three man round. No,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: it didn't change.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: I think where it changed was they.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: Proposed it and it didn't change. I've clarified, have you.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Okay? I thought you couldn't name a practice squad player
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the emergency third QB, but if you elevate the quarterback
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: from the practice squad, you could.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: Then name him. That was the proposal.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: That was the proposal got town.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: It didn't get past yet. Okay, it's still in the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: in the ether. So as of right now.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Here, this is from last year. Nfl PA vetos Emergency
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: third Quarterback rules is NFL dot com vetos. You said
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: the word veto right, so let me read it. The
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: NFLPA next a league wide, a league approved rule allowing
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: an emergency third quarterback to come from the practice squad
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: with unlimited call ups. The rule averts the twenty twenty
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: three parameters, which states that an emergency third QB must
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: be on the fifty three man roster or as one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: of two standard elevations for the week. An elevated QB
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: would have to be activated. Oh, would have to be active. Okay,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: so I get what it's saying.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: Wait what I'm telling you that you can't you can't
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: I'm an elevated QB. But this contradicted.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: I know it's I know, I know. Can we just
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: move on? They would have to carry three quarterbacks on
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: the roster. I'm telling you they would have to carry three.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: I'm moving on to the second question, the IR designated
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: to return question that we get.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: A lot, so I understand this one.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: On roster cutdown day, you can place players on injured
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: reserve designated to return on cutdown day when you hand
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: in the packet to the league. Of these are this
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: is how we got down to fifty three players on
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: that transaction wire, you have to say, I'm just using
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: him as an example. Kendrick Bourne is on injured reserve
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: designated to return on cutdown Day, so Brock Lampy is
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: not eligible for this. Kendrick Bourne, if they decide to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: IR him on Tuesday and part of the roster transactions,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: is eligible.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: So the way it works is it's not all right,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna put five guys on IR and then we'll
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: decide which two are coming back. Like you get two guys,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: you specifically say that guy's coming back, and like you said,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: it has to be on cutdown day. So anybody that's
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: already been placed on IR is not eligible. I think
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: they have. And I don't know the exact injury status
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: of these players, but based on what we've seen, I
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear cut that there were two guys
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: who qualify. It's Kendrick Bourn and Jelawney to buy right,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: But you have to carry that player on the ninety
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: through two cutting down day. You can't.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: It can't be brock Lampy. Uh, they play somebody else.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: It can't be Isaiah. I think it can't be. It
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: can't be one of these other.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: I think you can designate guys earlier, but you have
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: to designate them when you place them. I don't think that, oh,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: it has to be that way because it's literally a transaction.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Like think about it as like this is processing through the.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: League today, so it'll be the And again, it's not
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: you can't name five guys all right, Well, we're gonna
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: put Born to buy Polk Baker. Who else is hurt
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: like Williams? Right, We're gonna put those five guys on
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: and then we'll decide when we get into the year
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: which two we want to pack. No, it's it's two guys.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: So I forgot about Kyle Williams when I said that.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I really hope Kyle Williams is not going to miss
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: significant time. Even if he's gonna miss two games. We've
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: seen what missing. He'd essentially missed two months because it
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: would be from when he got hurt, and then I
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: think would be three weeks before the first game, right
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: from when he got hurt. Yeah, and then he'd missed
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the regular season.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think that this is I have no information.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: I just I don't think we're there. Okay, good, I
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: be Born and Tabaya the two.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Right, I think those are the two guys that make
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: the most Okay.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: So with that being said, ending obviously, tomorrow, you posted
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: something about your bubble. Yeah, you have a nineteen player bubble,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: which I think says a lot about kind of where
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: we're at right now with this roster. There's like when
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: I did my like, you know, roster projection unofficial. I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: had like forty three or forty four guys that I
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: felt like really needed to be on the team, and
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: then I had eight or nine spots that I think
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: were totally kind of up in the air.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where I'm at, exactly. No, I'm saying, Okay,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I thought you met that last year. Last year, So
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: that's where it really but go ahead. So well, the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: philosophy behind it, if for those who haven't listened to
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: the show before, is basically doing a roster projection the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: same way, not you pick the bracket like pick your winners,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: but the way March Madness puts the bracket together, because
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: it's not the bet was now sixty eight. It's too
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: many times it's not the best sixty eight teams in
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: the country because, for instance, the champion of the A
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Sun may not be a better team than like the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: seventh best team in the in the Big East. But
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: there are spots reserve for the conference winners, right, so
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: every team And yeah, the practice squad elevations leave a
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: little bit of gray area here, but there's less flexibility
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: with that than people think. For the vast majority every
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: team is going to keep at least two quarterbacks. Every
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: ting's going to keep at least three running backs, four
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, on and on and on, right, So when
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: you chop those out, that gives you fourteens going across
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: the league. Like using positional minimums, that basically gives you
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: fourteen spots that can be won by the best player left.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: But that number then on and that's league wide. That
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: number on a team to team base comes down further because,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: for instance, four ride receivers is the minimum. The Patriots
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: have five six roster locks. If we're gonna count Afton Chisholm, right,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't count if you keep a fallback,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count if there's like a Matthew Seedter Slater
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: special teams like guy who's not gonna count against that
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: wide receiver minimum. So every year that number changed it
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Last year I had the Patriots with
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: eleven at large spots. Yeah, eleven or twelve. I think
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: there were some guys that were on the fence with
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: ir This year I have them with ten at large spots.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: And then the flip side of that is, okay, how
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: many people are competing for those spots because you might
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: have guys like again, is Josh Dobbs, one of the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: fifty three best players on the Patriots, might not be
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the roster right. Jeremiah farm is
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: another guy I consider a roster lock, just because I
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: don't think they have enough defensive tackles without him. If
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Eiden had been healthy, I probably would have put
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: them both on the bubble and opened up that spot.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: So it's not to cut you off just we have
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: so read nineteen.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: The point I'm making is there's players who are on
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: the bubble who aren't on here because they're either gonna
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: make it as a part of their position to get
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: to the minimum or they're not. They're competing against the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: other players at the position. These guys are all essentially
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: competing against each other. Okay, the bubble to me is
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Jamichael Hasty, Terrell Jennings, Kendrick Bourne if he doesn't go on,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Ir Jay von Baker, Vederian Lowe, Cole Strange, Caden Wallace,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: City so Tyres Robinson, Anthony Jennings, Truman Jones, Elijah Ponder,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Jelani Tavai, Monty, Rice Miles, Battle, Jordan Polk, Kyle Duggar,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Dell Penneth Pettis, and Marcus Apps.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had a bunch of the same.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Let me just clarify this too.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of names we just threw at you.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: So Hasty and Jennings aren't both gonna make the team, right, right?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: The one one might make it, they both might not
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: make it. Same with the offensive line, So some guys
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: have better chances than others. But that's what I have
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: as the bubble. And like John Parker, Romo right not
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: on there because he's either gonna make it or not.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: They're not going to keep two kickers.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: So I didn't I didn't do I looked at my
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: own list before I looked at your list. My list
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: is a little bit smaller just because yeah whatever, I
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: kind of did it off the top of my head.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Did you have more roster locks or did you just
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: knock count as many guys on the bable.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: I just didn't count as many in the bubble. So
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: I had Dugger, Jennings, Baker, Low Strange, Wallace, and then
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: I had a couple of rookies like Farmer, Swinson, Ponder.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: I think that they're going to probably keep all three
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: of those guys.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Farmer and Swinston, I feel comfortable saying our locks.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And then I also put you know,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: Born into Vibe Slash, Ir Cole and I are here
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: as well. Uh, you know, DJ James probably on the
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: team because they just need the fifth cornerback spot and
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: he is the fifth corner.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Right, So that's where you get into he like, he's
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: not a lock in terms of he's going to start,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: but because they need X number of corners just to
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: fill out the roster, you don't put him on the bubble.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: So out of your group, out of this group, who
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: who can really like who has the most to win?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Who is the most approved Tomorrow night? But against the.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Giants, just looking down my list, I think Jamichael Hasty
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: can kind of solidify his spot if he's solid.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: He's a nice little player, Like I know, he's nothing
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: flashy or special, but.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: He's a good special team player. He's a good special
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: teams player. He's a multifaceted running back. He's not necessarily
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: amazing at at anything, but you can put him in
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: any situation. He can be a multi positional backup or
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: multi roll backup for running backs. Yah if rom Andre
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Stevenson's banged up a little bit, which we know he is.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: He's in a non contact jersey of practice. You probably
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: want to keep four backs. Hasty is gonna play in
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: the kicking game like I have him on. I had
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: him on my last ross projection. Most to win, just
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: going down my list, Javon Baker obviously a ton any
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: of the Lineman, Cole Strange, Kiten Wallas City. So Tyre's
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Robinson not in uh five here, low Strange wall is
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: so Robinson. You're not gonna have all five of those
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: guys make it. I don't think all five of those
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna miss it either. We're gonna have a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: couple of those guys. It's basically who is it, who performs?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Who you know? I think Truman Jones, Elijah Ponder in
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: good spots, Jordan Polk Like to your point, you kind
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: of put DJ James on by default. I guess I
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: throw Miles Battle in here too. But I think the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: interesting thing with Polk is if they're gonna cut Dougger,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: I'm uneasy about them keeping for safeties, and and that's
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: for safeties. I gotta double check my ross rerection. I
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: think that's for safeties with schooler right, so.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: That no, it would be yeah, yeah, for safeties with.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Schooler Hawkins, Pepper, Schooler Woodson. If they don't keep Doug.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: This is my point, like when I was doing the
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: roster projection yesterday, Like Kyle Duggar, unless you find a
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: trade partner for him, it's kind of hard to keep
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: him off, like just you know, like just unless he's going.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: To be a problem in the room, b I, if
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: he's a backup. But like, so that's where del Pettis,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: Marcus Apps, Jordan Polk, right, there's a safety spot to
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: be won there. Now that might be a spot. This
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: is where and anytime I explained the positional minimums people
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: shoot back. Will he kept one quarterback in twenty twenty
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: one because these are practice squad elevation?
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: Still crazy, don't you can't go back?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Well, del Pettis is a guy. Maybe they could get
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: to the practice squad initially, elevate for a couple games,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: and then sign to the roster. So but like you
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: want to make the case if you're del Pettis or
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: your Marcus Epps or you're Jordan Polk, like they probably
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: should look to keep a fifth safety. And maybe it's
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: not initially, but let's not forget that the roster. Let's
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: not forget the roster doesn't lock in week one. They
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: have a good game and they look at it and say,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna put him on the practice squad.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: But like, once the spot opens up, this is the
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: first guy that's getting signed. That's not nothing either. So
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: I think any of the safeties with Dougger, they're gonna
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: have to sign it. If they move on from Doug,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: or they're gonna have to sign a safety at some point.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe they keep Maybe they keep five initially and that's it,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: but if they keep four, it's not gonna stay that way.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to add another at some point.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they keep Epps. They seem to like apps.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: They do seem to like apps. But if your EPs
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: aor Doug, if you're EPs or Pettis, maybe that's making
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: that case that Okay, we're not gonna keep you on
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: the initial fifty three, but if you come back on
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: the practice squad, you know, first spot we get, you're
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that we signed.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: So the I agree with you, safety is a spot
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: that's still kind of uncertain. And then the other one,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: like you mentioned, is those backup offensive linemen like you
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: had a Vederian Low, Cole Strange, Caden Wallace, Leyden Robinson,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: Tyres Robinson. If you want to throw him in there,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: you know how many of those guys do they keep?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: How do they keep any of them? Do they keep
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: a slew of them?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I think they have to keep at least one or
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: two of them, because without any of those guys, they're
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: at one, two, three, four, five, They're at six or
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: seven linemen.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: Forget So right now I have Strange on and it's
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: not so much that I think that he's played his
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: way on. It's more the positional flexibility. Yeah, he can
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: play center and he can play guard. So just in
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: that sense, like Leiden Robinson Caden Wallace are one position.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Back up the King, Wallace can back up a right tackle.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: Maybe this coaching staff hasn't viewed him as a tackle,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: that's true. So those two guys in particular, it's the
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: same thing. They don't have the depth a tackle to
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: really care about this. But like Vederian Low, to me,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: is a left tackle backup. We've done those Low on
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: the right side thing and it's way worse than on
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: the left.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: So I'll give you just just to kind of put
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: a cap on it, because I do on my ross projection.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: When I do the ross projections was separate than the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: bubble I do. Like the last three on last three off.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: I actually did for this most recent one, last five
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: on last five off because it felt so close. So
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: this is essentially forty eight, forty nine fifty. So this
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: is essentially player forty nine through fifty three, No fifty seven, right,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, five on a.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: Lot of names and a lot of math, and we're
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: two hours into the.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Show, right, so my last five on, So this should
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: be forty nine through fifty three. Anthony Jennings to Michael Hasty,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Venderian Lowe, Can Wallas, Cole Strange. I had Cole Strange
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: is player fifty three. Player fifty four was Kyle Duggar,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: last five off Kyle Duggar City, So del Pettis actually
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: should have moved del Pettis up. It should be Kyle
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: Dugger del Pettis jaevon Baker City. So and then I
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: actually used a waiverclaim. Offensive tackle is one of my
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: last tu because I am still not convinced that the
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: lineman they have now, I'm still not convinced that there's
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna be alignment on the team week one that
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: isn't on the team right now. So I'm not saying
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: that's great, but I do think it's gonna happen.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: So I had Brad Burry Ben Brown on when Wu
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: Wilson Strange as the interior five interior alignement, uh, and
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: then I had Campbell, Moses, Bryant Lowe as a tackle,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: so nine linemen, which I feel like maybe you could
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: you could get Caden Wallace on there too and make
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: it ten like you did. I think we pretty much
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: had the same thing and that was maybe the one difference.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: I could be talked into that, But I feel like
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: those five guys. Strange makes a team because of his
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: positional flexibility. If you want to if you get into
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: a world where your interior is Wilson on when Wu Brown,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Bradberry is here, so you might
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: need Cold Strange to be that top backup on game day.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: Positional flexibility kind of thing. So that's what I had.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: But I still feel like if I had to, I
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: had to guess where they're at right now trying to
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: sort out these competitions. It's interior offensive line, like which
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: guys are they going to keep out of that group?
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: In safety, I think those are the two spots Anthroontiy Jennings.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like it is his own thing, like that's
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: just a system fit thing, and you know, just do
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: they have a role for them and all that kind
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I do unnecessarily look at edge is like
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: this is a competition still. I just think it's more
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: about Anthony Jennings safety and interior offensive line, two positions.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: I'll be watching tomorrow night, Tomorrow night Patriots Giants preseason finale.
• 1:58:40
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• 1:58:43
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• 1:58:48
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• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: I'll be on the pre and postgame show tomorrow night
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  Speaker 3: with Paul with deuced Claudia's back as well. So we'll
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  Speaker 3: have you pregame six forty five postgame immediately following the
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  Speaker 3: conclusion of that game. And so we'll see you guys
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  Speaker 3: then and We'll be back on Catch twenty two next week,
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  Speaker 3: probably next Wednesday. Roster cutdowns will have happened, so we'll
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  Speaker 3: know the Patriots initial fifty three man roster. As always,
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  Speaker 3: things are pretty flexible, as they like to say, fluid.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it always changes. But we'll be able to
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  Speaker 3: break down the initial roster for you guys next week.
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  Speaker 3: So until then, signing off for Alex Barth Alex behind
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  Speaker 3: the Glass. I'm Evan Lazarte. See you guys tomorrow night
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  Speaker 3: for Patriots Giants, See you then, right.
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